WEBVTT - S3 – 9: Making a Killing

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<v Speaker 1>Welcomed, unobscured a production of iHeart Radio and aeron Mink.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Kelly's murder was horrifying. The brutal mutilation of her

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<v Speaker 1>body went far beyond the viciousness of the previous Whitechapel murders.

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<v Speaker 1>The sight of the crime scene at Miller's Court scared

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<v Speaker 1>the veteran police officers who arrived to investigate her death.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the surgeons at the scene said that he

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<v Speaker 1>had never witnessed such ghastliness, and this man earned his

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<v Speaker 1>living dissecting human bodies. Even as the doctors and police

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<v Speaker 1>in Miller's Court grappled with their shock over the murder,

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<v Speaker 1>there were two other men who arrived on the scene

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<v Speaker 1>who both believed that the hunt for clues to Marry

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's death was theirs to supervise. But I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the challenge of coordinating between detectives from Scotland Yard

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<v Speaker 1>and officers of the City Police who were investigating the

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<v Speaker 1>murder in Miter Square. No, this was a boundary dispute

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<v Speaker 1>over another crucial part of the process. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>wrestling match between London coroners, one of them we know well,

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<v Speaker 1>of course. When Baxter Mary Kelly's room was in Win

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<v Speaker 1>Baxter's White Chapel jurisdiction, so that afternoon they admitted Baxter

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<v Speaker 1>to the crime scene, believing that he would be responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for determining Mary Kelly's cause of death and conducting the

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<v Speaker 1>interviews that would help the police work and feed the

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<v Speaker 1>story to the London press. But Baxter was in for

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise because he wasn't the only coroner on the

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<v Speaker 1>scene that afternoon. The other man was someone he knew

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<v Speaker 1>all too well, Roderick McDonald. He had come alongside Dr Phillips,

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<v Speaker 1>and he put his own claim on conducting the inquest.

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<v Speaker 1>If there was incentive for departments like the Metropolitan Police

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<v Speaker 1>and the City Police to resolve disputes and share information,

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<v Speaker 1>the same certainly can't be said for the coroners of

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<v Speaker 1>East London. Because they were paid by the corpse. In

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<v Speaker 1>a place where living was as hard as the East End,

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<v Speaker 1>the position of coroner came with the promise of a

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<v Speaker 1>steady income. That's what made when Baxter and Roderick McDonald

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<v Speaker 1>put themselves up for the position two years earlier in

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<v Speaker 1>eight six, and because coroners were elected, that meant that

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<v Speaker 1>Baxter and McDonald were political opponents to choose their corner.

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<v Speaker 1>The people of the district met at a church hall

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<v Speaker 1>in bethnal Green. Names were called out and hands were

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<v Speaker 1>raised to show approval. The thing was though, when Baxter

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<v Speaker 1>had brought a group of friends to that election, large loud,

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<v Speaker 1>burly friends, friends with anger problems and a habit of

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<v Speaker 1>following Baxter around. It made one candidate give them the

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<v Speaker 1>sarcastic nickname Baxter's Lambs. The Times, though, didn't play coy.

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<v Speaker 1>They called Baxter's supporters a mob of roughs, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were rough. Indeed, his men beat, choked and fought the

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<v Speaker 1>supporters of other candidates. In fact, they caused so much

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<v Speaker 1>trouble in the church hall that election night that the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing was called off. No one could be sure

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<v Speaker 1>of the number of votes for each candidate when raised,

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<v Speaker 1>hands were lost between flying fists, so a poll of

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<v Speaker 1>the district was scheduled for three days later. The London

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<v Speaker 1>Standard reported that all day long, carts and cabs hired

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<v Speaker 1>by the candidates rolled to the church filled with voters.

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<v Speaker 1>When it was over, though, Baxter's Lambs proved to be

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<v Speaker 1>the convincing shepherds. When Baxter tallied the most votes, with

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<v Speaker 1>McDonald hot on his heels in second place and the

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<v Speaker 1>other candidates were left in the dust. Baxter had his

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<v Speaker 1>corner seat. It was the night that made sure that

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<v Speaker 1>he would be in office when the murders started in Whitechapel.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years later, though, the district was split and a

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<v Speaker 1>position was created for a new corner Roderick McDonald. Both

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<v Speaker 1>men started collecting fees for the White Chapel dead. So

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<v Speaker 1>on a November day in eighteen eighty eight, Rodrick McDonald

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<v Speaker 1>and Win Baxter were in a contest for who would

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<v Speaker 1>turn Mary Kelly's death into their next paycheck. The victim's

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<v Speaker 1>room was in Win Baxter's jurisdiction, but somehow Roderick McDonald

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<v Speaker 1>went out by having Mary Kelly's body transported over the

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<v Speaker 1>border into Shortage. In fact, it was a reversal of

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<v Speaker 1>Annie Chapman's case. Her murder on Hanbury Street had been

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<v Speaker 1>in McDonald's jurisdiction, but she had been carried by police

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<v Speaker 1>into Baxter's Amaine. Once Mary Kelly's body was on McDonald's turf,

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<v Speaker 1>he was responsible for her inquest. Win Baxter was left

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<v Speaker 1>out in the cold. Now Baxter's inquests of murder victims

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<v Speaker 1>had inflamed public fears. The long weeks of witness interrogations

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<v Speaker 1>the doctors brought back over and over to recite the

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<v Speaker 1>horrible litany of wounds, cuts and mutilations, the police constables

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<v Speaker 1>giving the press their firsthand accounts, complete with bodies emerging

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<v Speaker 1>in dramatic lamp lights. But with McDonald at the helm,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Kelly's inquest took a different approach cooperating with the police.

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<v Speaker 1>He kept it to a single day. It was quick

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<v Speaker 1>and to the point. In a clear criticism of his opponent,

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<v Speaker 1>Win Baxter, McDonald announced that to go through the same

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<v Speaker 1>evidence time after time only causes expense and trouble. He

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<v Speaker 1>reminded his jury as well as the listening press, that

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<v Speaker 1>inquests had but one goal to determine the cause of death,

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<v Speaker 1>and his jury had o trouble doing their job. They

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<v Speaker 1>quickly delivered their verdict on Mary Kelly's death willful murder

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<v Speaker 1>by some person unknown. This is unobscured. I'm Aaron Mankey.

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<v Speaker 1>The Home Secretary was under fire. Aberleine Swanson and the

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<v Speaker 1>other officers at Scotland Yard were hoping that by opening

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<v Speaker 1>and closing the inquest quickly, panic over the most gruesome

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<v Speaker 1>and horrifying murders so far would not burst out across Whitechapel.

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<v Speaker 1>To some extent, it worked. There were a few stories

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<v Speaker 1>for the Star to chase, there were fewer monster visions

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<v Speaker 1>for London readers to fear. But if journalists found less

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<v Speaker 1>to rile up the public in the halls of Government,

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<v Speaker 1>the ferocious debate only continued to rage, and the target

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<v Speaker 1>of most attacks was the Home Secretary. Now, it was

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<v Speaker 1>true he had done enough to rid himself of Charles Warren,

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<v Speaker 1>he had accepted the Police Commissioner's resignation and was just

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for the man to see himself out so that

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<v Speaker 1>James Monroe could take his place. But whether that was

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<v Speaker 1>enough to play Kate the Queen and the public was

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<v Speaker 1>another question altogether. And there was another place where the

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<v Speaker 1>Home Secretary, Matthews was scrutinized and scathingly dressed down on

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<v Speaker 1>almost a daily basis, the halls of Parliament. In the

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<v Speaker 1>weeks after Mary Kelly's murder, The Times of London offered

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<v Speaker 1>an inside look at the kinds of fury that regularly

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<v Speaker 1>was unleashed in the chambers of Government. On November twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>the day that Mary Kelly's inquest was both opened and

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<v Speaker 1>closed by Roderick McDonald. The pointed questions for the Home

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary came in a flurry, and they all had to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the central issue who was running the show

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<v Speaker 1>over at Scotland Yard. If Charles Warren's resignation was a

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<v Speaker 1>relief to Matthews, this was the other side of that coin.

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<v Speaker 1>The men confronting him in the House of Commons seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to know that something strange had happened behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 1>with one man in particular, the spy and Detective James Monroe.

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<v Speaker 1>Matthews found himself running from a difficult question. Why was

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<v Speaker 1>the Home Secretary still working with Monroe? If the Scotsman

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<v Speaker 1>had stopped working with the police, it would have passed

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<v Speaker 1>no one's notice that a spymaster from the Special Branch

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<v Speaker 1>had come to serve on the staff of the Home Secretary.

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<v Speaker 1>And that didn't leave any members of Parliament feeling particularly comfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone members like Edward Pickersgill, the representative of Bethnal

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<v Speaker 1>Green in the East End. He had been campaigning against

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<v Speaker 1>police abuses since his election in eight five, and he

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<v Speaker 1>would be remembered in later years for calling secret policing

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<v Speaker 1>dirty work. In the House of Commons, shouting and cheering

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<v Speaker 1>followed the demands that Matthews make it clear what Monroe

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<v Speaker 1>was doing on his stay off, and of course the

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<v Speaker 1>issue of who would replace Charles Warren was on everyone's mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the next couple of days, the House of Commons

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<v Speaker 1>rang with arguments about the role of police in London,

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<v Speaker 1>who they should be, how they should be funded, and

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<v Speaker 1>who should lead them. Edward Pickersgill wasted no time reminding

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<v Speaker 1>his fellow members that London was now under the thumb

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<v Speaker 1>of soldiers who had been hardened in India. The time

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<v Speaker 1>has come, he said, for a change in this regime

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<v Speaker 1>under which the mounted men of the police, with an

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<v Speaker 1>ex lancer at their head, rode people down in the

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<v Speaker 1>streets and the infantry, instructed by an ex officer of

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<v Speaker 1>the Guards, batond them. What Pickersgill wanted was a force

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<v Speaker 1>to effectively detect crimes. So for members of Parliament like him,

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<v Speaker 1>it was good riddance to Charles Warren, but that hardly

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<v Speaker 1>sewed up the issues in the East End. Pickersgill continued

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<v Speaker 1>to Pepper, the Home Secretary, with questions throughout November trying

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<v Speaker 1>to peel back the layers of secrecy around the communications

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<v Speaker 1>between the Home Office and the police. He was worried

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<v Speaker 1>about the killer roaming White chap yes, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>even more worried about the rots in the government of

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<v Speaker 1>the city that allowed it to happen. Every choice that

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<v Speaker 1>the Home Secretary had made was picked over and pounded flat.

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<v Speaker 1>Demands that he changed course and offer a reward for

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<v Speaker 1>the killer. Demands that he offer a pardon for accomplices

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<v Speaker 1>to entice them out from the shadows. It seems that

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<v Speaker 1>many members of Parliament believe that somewhere along the secret

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<v Speaker 1>government correspondence were the answers they were looking for. Answers

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<v Speaker 1>about what the police knew and when, Answers about why

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<v Speaker 1>the investigations had failed. Answers about whether the government had

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<v Speaker 1>really done everything it could to bring the killer to justice.

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<v Speaker 1>The arguments swirled back and forth through the causes and

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<v Speaker 1>consequences of the murders. What could the Home Office do

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<v Speaker 1>about the East Ends lodging houses, with their cramped conditions

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<v Speaker 1>housing crowds of unknown persons. What could the Home Office

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<v Speaker 1>do to stop the police from publishing the names of

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<v Speaker 1>suspects who turned out to have no connection to the murders.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're staying with a connection to Jack the Ripper.

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<v Speaker 1>When all the questions were asked, though Parliament would be

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<v Speaker 1>left unsatisfied. They could demand the capture of the killer. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>they could demand a change. But even after Charles Warren

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<v Speaker 1>stepped away from his post and James Monroe stepped out

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<v Speaker 1>from his shadowy corner of the Home Office to take command,

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<v Speaker 1>Home Secretary Matthews had nothing more to give them. Like

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<v Speaker 1>the police of the world's largest city, the government of

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<v Speaker 1>the world's most commanding empire was at a loss because

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<v Speaker 1>the answers to their questions just weren't there. The whole

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<v Speaker 1>city was on tenter hooks. Now, that's not tender hooks, no.

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<v Speaker 1>The phrase comes from the clothmaking trade, when new made

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<v Speaker 1>sheets of wool were hung like tents on hooked wooden

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<v Speaker 1>frames to keep the cloth from shrinking while it dried.

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<v Speaker 1>The process gave its name to East End landmarks like

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<v Speaker 1>the Tenter Streets and Tenter passage in Spittle Fields, Wherefore,

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<v Speaker 1>a very long time the English wall trade had a home.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of November of eight though, crime after

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<v Speaker 1>unsolved crime had everyone in this city feeling like something

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<v Speaker 1>was about to snap. And the truth is that what

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<v Speaker 1>we call the Jack the Ripper murders were not the

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<v Speaker 1>only heinous killings in London. Of eight they were clearly

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<v Speaker 1>the most discussed, the most publicized, and the most significant

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<v Speaker 1>in the eyes of history. But other than the brutal

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<v Speaker 1>mutilation of Mary Kelly, they were not even the most

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<v Speaker 1>heinous or most gruesome. Here's Dr Drew Gray to say

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<v Speaker 1>more about that. There were other murders, and not not

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<v Speaker 1>least the Thames torso mystery, which which could possibly be

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<v Speaker 1>linked to the rip of Killings um so. In that case,

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<v Speaker 1>there was the discovery of a female torso in the

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<v Speaker 1>Thames at Raynham in May seven, with more body parts

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<v Speaker 1>surfacing that same year, and then in September, right while

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<v Speaker 1>the White couple cases is kind of reaching its end,

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<v Speaker 1>another torso was being found amongst the building work for

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<v Speaker 1>police head quarters at White Hall, and in June third

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<v Speaker 1>dismembered female body was tracked from the Thames at Horsby

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<v Speaker 1>Down before in September of that year the police discovered

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<v Speaker 1>a rotting torso underneath arches in Pension Street, which isn't

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<v Speaker 1>far from where there's strive to be murdered just a

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<v Speaker 1>year earlier. The details of these crimes are truly stomach turning.

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<v Speaker 1>Take for instance, the case that opened in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of Scotland Yard itself in October, which came to be

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<v Speaker 1>called the Whitehall mystery. That's when a carpenter who was

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<v Speaker 1>working on the construction of the new police headquarters spotted

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<v Speaker 1>a wrapped package tucked away at the building site near

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<v Speaker 1>the spot where he left his tools. When he first

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<v Speaker 1>saw the bundle, he left it alone. It was unusual,

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<v Speaker 1>but he hardly was the only one working on the

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<v Speaker 1>construction site. After the second day seeing it lie undisturbed, though,

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<v Speaker 1>the builder pointed it out to a supervisor and the

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<v Speaker 1>two men opened it together. What they found in I'd

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<v Speaker 1>shocked them both. It was the mutilated torso of a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>This sent everyone on the site into a flurry of investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>Who could have dropped it there? And when all the

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<v Speaker 1>workers on the site were questioned and speculations flew wildly,

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<v Speaker 1>the examination of the body was undertaken by Dr Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Bond himself. He had examined a severed arm that had

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<v Speaker 1>been found a few weeks earlier along the Thames at Pimlico,

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<v Speaker 1>and he immediately made the connection. The body was too

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<v Speaker 1>decomposed to tell the doctors much, though the pall Mall

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<v Speaker 1>Gazette reported that the deceased was a very fine woman

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<v Speaker 1>and the body was exceedingly well nourished. They guess the

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<v Speaker 1>woman had been dead for about six weeks, but the

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<v Speaker 1>rudimentary forensic science available to Dr Bond and his assistant

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<v Speaker 1>meant that by the time the body was found, the

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<v Speaker 1>trail was already cold. Things got worse for the police though,

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<v Speaker 1>when a journalist with a terrier did with the Metropolitan

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<v Speaker 1>Forces never could. He used his dog to scare up

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<v Speaker 1>evidence in a search at the building site. The terrier

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<v Speaker 1>covered another arm and leg near the place where the

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<v Speaker 1>carpenter found the rap torso it was a huge embarrassment

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<v Speaker 1>for Scotland Yard and for a little while the Star

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<v Speaker 1>drove that point home. But the mystery was quickly overshadowed

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<v Speaker 1>by the double event murders of Liz Stride and Katherine ETOs.

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<v Speaker 1>The police and Dr Bond didn't think it was likely

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<v Speaker 1>that the two cases were connected, and the case was

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<v Speaker 1>already cold by the time the body was found. There

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<v Speaker 1>were a few stories that discussed the horrible find and

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<v Speaker 1>even drew connections to the Whitechapel murders, but with so

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<v Speaker 1>much less pressed, the horrible dismemberment failed to make the

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<v Speaker 1>same kind of impression on the city of London. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>more from historian Paul Beg. They were overshadowed by the

0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Whitechapel murders and therefore they just didn't get the publicity

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<v Speaker 1>that they One imagine is that they might have done

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<v Speaker 1>had the Whitechappel murders not being committed at the same time. Equally,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, it depends on what really grabs the attention

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<v Speaker 1>of the press, and these were body parts, in effect,

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<v Speaker 1>that were being found at different times in fairly separated places,

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<v Speaker 1>and unlike the Ripper killings, which were suggested one person

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<v Speaker 1>operating in a very small area. It may well be

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<v Speaker 1>that that also killings just didn't grab public attention. And

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<v Speaker 1>we have known about these murders for quite a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only in the last few years that people have

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<v Speaker 1>been writing books about them and really bringing them into

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<v Speaker 1>the sphere of of anybody interested in the Ripper murders

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<v Speaker 1>as well, because they show what was going on at

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<v Speaker 1>the time in the same way that the press could

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<v Speaker 1>turn the Whiteappel murders into an international panic while dismissing

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<v Speaker 1>what came to be known as the Torso murders, the

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<v Speaker 1>name Jack the Ripper could receive the same treatment. It

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<v Speaker 1>drives home a simple but profound point that should be

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<v Speaker 1>all but obvious by now. It was the storytelling about

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<v Speaker 1>the murders and the invention of the name Jack the

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<v Speaker 1>Ripper that pushed the Whitechapel killings into the public eye,

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<v Speaker 1>and along the way invented one of the most enduring

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<v Speaker 1>stories in the history of modern crime. In fact, when

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Kelly's inquest was quickly closed in November, the reporters

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<v Speaker 1>of The Star, The Times and the Paul Malgazette were

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<v Speaker 1>hard pressed to keep the fear alive. As the growing

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<v Speaker 1>chill of December descended over London. There were other stories

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<v Speaker 1>to tell that absorbed attention, and until there were new

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<v Speaker 1>victims to sketch out and new inquests to publicize, there

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<v Speaker 1>just wasn't anything new to say. The tension of the

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<v Speaker 1>murders went slack as the weeks marched by the strengthened

0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.000
<v Speaker 1>police numbers in the East End. Carried on for as

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<v Speaker 1>long as the new Commissioner James Monroe could justify the

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<v Speaker 1>budget to the Home Secretary, but government budgets rarely make

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<v Speaker 1>press sensations, even when they reached the headlines. Soon enough,

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<v Speaker 1>the name invented by the Central Press Agency had gone

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<v Speaker 1>the way of every figure from popular fiction. He had

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<v Speaker 1>his day in the sun and faded with the ink

0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:12.280
<v Speaker 1>he was printed on. The papers closed their chapter on

0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Jack the Ripper. They moved on, but the case, well,

0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.119
<v Speaker 1>that was still open, because the thing that gave energy

0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.280
<v Speaker 1>to those early press reports was still true. The killer

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<v Speaker 1>had not been caught, but the police didn't move on

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<v Speaker 1>as easily as the press. The flow of sensationalist stories

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<v Speaker 1>may have stopped, but the search was ongoing. The questions

0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.880
<v Speaker 1>that needed to be answered still hung in the air,

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<v Speaker 1>and the veriest senior policeman in the Metropolitan Office all

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<v Speaker 1>had their sense of who the killer might be. The

0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.200
<v Speaker 1>problem was, though they all disagreed. In the final months

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<v Speaker 1>of eight eight, immediately following Mary Kelly's death, a number

0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.840
<v Speaker 1>of suspects were arrested. One detective sergeants who had been

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<v Speaker 1>involved in patrolling Whitechapel brought a man into police court

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<v Speaker 1>on the day that Mary Kelly was buried. He was

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<v Speaker 1>the time, said, a man of decidedly foreign appearance, and

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<v Speaker 1>his mustache was no doubt the thing that put him

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<v Speaker 1>front and center in the suspicions of the police. The

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<v Speaker 1>sergeant presented the magistrate with his deep suspicions he had

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<v Speaker 1>arrested this man before and held him under lock and

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<v Speaker 1>key in connection with the murder of Liz Stride. It

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<v Speaker 1>was only after he was released that Mary Kelly was

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<v Speaker 1>found dead. To the sergeant's mind, this could be the

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<v Speaker 1>murderer that they had all been searching so hard for.

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<v Speaker 1>A Swede named nicanner Ben alias. This time he had

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<v Speaker 1>been arrested for a terrifying home invasion. A woman had

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<v Speaker 1>been at home alone and had left open the street

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<v Speaker 1>facing door. When she was sitting in her parlor, the

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<v Speaker 1>man suddenly burst in. Terrified, she gasped out, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you want? In reply, he only grinned. She jumped out

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<v Speaker 1>of her chair and ran to the window, but when

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<v Speaker 1>she turned back to the room he had disappeared. It

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<v Speaker 1>was enough to get him arrested by a constable in

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<v Speaker 1>the street, but the evidence against him thinned out to

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<v Speaker 1>the parallel between his break in and Mary Kelly's murder

0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.800
<v Speaker 1>in her room. The police he held him for a

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<v Speaker 1>few days and peppered him with questions, but all they

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<v Speaker 1>learned was that his landlord sometimes found him preaching in

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<v Speaker 1>the streets, and he was twenty five shillings behind on

0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.760
<v Speaker 1>his rent. He had been under watch from the Birmingham

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<v Speaker 1>police and they had sent word to London to do

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<v Speaker 1>the same, but rather than keep an eye on him

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<v Speaker 1>from a distance, the London authorities had immediately colored him

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<v Speaker 1>for questioning. The Birmingham police had speculated that this man

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<v Speaker 1>was the true Whitechapel killer, escaping London after each murderer

0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.920
<v Speaker 1>by taking the early train out of the city. After

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<v Speaker 1>questioning him, though he was released and soon vanished from

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<v Speaker 1>the pages of history, he wasn't the only doctor to

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<v Speaker 1>come under scrutiny and then make a quick escape. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>there was an Irish American doctor in London, a man

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<v Speaker 1>named humble t. He was frequently watched by Scotland Yard

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<v Speaker 1>and at least one Chief inspector and the man in

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<v Speaker 1>charge of the Special Branch in eight firmly believed Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Tumblety was the murderer. He was so certain, actually, that

0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.720
<v Speaker 1>he had him arrested, and there's no surprise that he

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<v Speaker 1>would be watched by the Special Branch. He was justin

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<v Speaker 1>Irish American doctor, but one with Finney and sympathies, and

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<v Speaker 1>the bombs of the Finneyan campaign still resounded throughout Scotland yard.

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<v Speaker 1>And as they watched him, their suspicions grew. After all,

0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:15.320
<v Speaker 1>he was bitter in the extreme, they said, toward women.

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<v Speaker 1>If either of the charges were true and tumble Ty

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<v Speaker 1>was connected to either the bombings or the brutal murders,

0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Special Branch must have been incendiary with rage. Because the

0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:29.240
<v Speaker 1>American doctor was allowed to post bail. Two men came forward,

0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:33.000
<v Speaker 1>paid the enormous fee and then disappeared, and Tumblety went

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<v Speaker 1>out with the tide. He hopped from London to France

0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.400
<v Speaker 1>and then back to the United States. In fact, the

0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Special Branch went so far as to send an officer

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<v Speaker 1>over the Atlantic to hunt him down. When word got

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<v Speaker 1>out that an American doctor had been arrested on suspicion

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<v Speaker 1>of the murders, that the world was reading about with horror,

0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:52.080
<v Speaker 1>the American press had a field day. In New York,

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<v Speaker 1>they published sightings of tumble Ty. When his ship arrived

0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.000
<v Speaker 1>and they also published accounts of the English detective attempting

0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.120
<v Speaker 1>to catch him. Taken together, those stories allowed the man

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<v Speaker 1>to vanish without a trace as far west to San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 1>The chronicle profiled the doctors passed in the city with

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<v Speaker 1>commentary from the local chief of police. In fact, some

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<v Speaker 1>of Tumblet's money was still held in a San Francisco bank,

0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:17.200
<v Speaker 1>but the man never appeared to claim it, and East

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<v Speaker 1>End murders didn't end with the man's departure from London.

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<v Speaker 1>The year ended with a terrifying event just before Christmas,

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<v Speaker 1>a killing that left many people wondering whether the same

0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:30.160
<v Speaker 1>murderer was still at large and still praying on vulnerable

0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.919
<v Speaker 1>women in the East End because it was in the

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<v Speaker 1>early morning hours of December that Rose Milette's body was

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<v Speaker 1>found by two police officers who were patrolling the street

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<v Speaker 1>where she was killed the shadow darkness of Clark's Yard.

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<v Speaker 1>There were no cuts on her body and her money

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<v Speaker 1>was still in her pockets. After he had fetched a

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<v Speaker 1>surgeon to examine the body, the police sergeant searched the

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<v Speaker 1>yard and found no signs of a struggle. The surgeon,

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<v Speaker 1>who arrived on the scene declared her dead, though the

0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:00.120
<v Speaker 1>body was still warm when she was delivered to the mortuary.

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<v Speaker 1>The police believed that she had died of natural causes.

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<v Speaker 1>When when Baxter marched into the inquest the next day,

0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.000
<v Speaker 1>a different conclusion was about to hit the papers and

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<v Speaker 1>to shock Scotland Yard, who thought their work on the

0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:15.080
<v Speaker 1>murder was done because during the post mortem examination, two

0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.199
<v Speaker 1>other doctors found that there was a wound on the

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<v Speaker 1>woman's neck. It was a deep mark that ran from

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<v Speaker 1>the right side of the spine around the front of

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<v Speaker 1>her throat, ending beneath her left ear. The woman, it seems,

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<v Speaker 1>had been strangled. It was a shock to the police department.

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<v Speaker 1>With no signs of struggle and no witnesses around the

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<v Speaker 1>yard reporting any unusual noise, a dread came over the police.

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<v Speaker 1>The press reported that the stealth and efficiency of the

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<v Speaker 1>killing must be the work of a skillful hand, and

0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:47.280
<v Speaker 1>everyone knew exactly who that meant. It was all too

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<v Speaker 1>obvious to the Times, who conjured up the specter of

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<v Speaker 1>in their words, the recent crimes as the only possible

0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.240
<v Speaker 1>precedent for murder. After all, the killer had vanished without

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<v Speaker 1>a trace. James Monroe sent for a medical examination from

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<v Speaker 1>a trusted adviser, Dr Thomas Bond, and he immediately dispatched

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<v Speaker 1>a capable officer to devote his energy to the case,

0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Chief Inspector Donald Swanson. But Swanson wasn't the only one

0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:16.320
<v Speaker 1>investigating the murder, with Win Baxter helming the inquest. The

0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Star soon followed after, and as always, they had a

0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:23.200
<v Speaker 1>story in mind to fit the case. Their lead sentence

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<v Speaker 1>proclaimed that a police surgeon had determined that the woman's

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<v Speaker 1>murder was the work of the White Chapel fiend, and

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<v Speaker 1>they came to that conclusion by hunting down Dr Phillips,

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<v Speaker 1>the man whose theory that the White Chapel killer was

0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:38.639
<v Speaker 1>a surgeon made so many East End doctors the target

0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:42.480
<v Speaker 1>of deep suspicion. The Star reporter claimed that Dr Phillips,

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<v Speaker 1>who had examined the body of Annie Chapman at Hanbury Street,

0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.680
<v Speaker 1>believed that she had been strangled before her throat was cut.

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<v Speaker 1>This had strengthened his belief that the killer was an anatomist,

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<v Speaker 1>because he believed that the murderer knew just where to

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<v Speaker 1>wrap a wire around a victim's neck to choke off

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<v Speaker 1>any screams. And so The Star reported Dr Phillips believed

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<v Speaker 1>that this new victim, Rose Myolette, had been killed by

0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 1>the same man. But once again Dr Phillips profile of

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:12.200
<v Speaker 1>the killer was about to crash against the opinion of

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Dr Thomas Bond when he swept into examine Rose's body

0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:18.520
<v Speaker 1>on Christmas Eve. Doctor Bond said that there was no

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<v Speaker 1>mark on her neck from accord, and certainly not the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing you would expect if she had been

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<v Speaker 1>strangled violently. If anything, he reported, she had been a

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<v Speaker 1>drunk and when she fell to the ground, the neck

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.440
<v Speaker 1>of her jacket had pressed against her throats and killed her.

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<v Speaker 1>A terrible accident, he said, but nothing more. When Baxter

0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 1>was furious when he reopened the inquest, he ripped into

0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the betrayal doctor. After doctor had seen the body, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>at the urging of the detectives, but without his knowledge

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 1>or permission, medical opinions were flying thick and fast, But

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<v Speaker 1>only Doctor Bond had thrown his expertise against the idea

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:58.879
<v Speaker 1>that Rose Miolette had been murdered. It was police against

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<v Speaker 1>corner surge at each other's throats, and the star flogging

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:05.199
<v Speaker 1>on the idea that the ripper was still hunting in

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<v Speaker 1>the East End. The jury at the inquest came back

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:10.919
<v Speaker 1>with a verdict that Win Baxter expected Rose Milette had

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:15.159
<v Speaker 1>been murdered by some person or persons unknown, and like

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<v Speaker 1>the murder of the other women in Whitechapel, the killer

0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:21.440
<v Speaker 1>would never be caught. But despite the Star's best efforts,

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:25.960
<v Speaker 1>other papers let the story lie Rosa's death was a

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:29.040
<v Speaker 1>tragedy in its own right. In fact, other women would

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<v Speaker 1>continue to die under deeply suspicious circumstances in the East End,

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.119
<v Speaker 1>but the writers who could weave the threads together into

0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 1>a terrifying image had laid down their chaotic looms. The

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Ripper scare was over. Mary Kelly's eyes were still open.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember the way that they imprinted on the inspector

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<v Speaker 1>who first pushed back the dirty coat to behold the

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<v Speaker 1>room for him. They screamed of the police failure to

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<v Speaker 1>catch the killer before he had reached her. For others, though,

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<v Speaker 1>the eyes of Mary Kelly were the last desperate avenue

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<v Speaker 1>of investigation. Remember that suggestion in the papers after Annie

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<v Speaker 1>Chapman had died that police should take photographs of the

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<v Speaker 1>victim's eyes to see if they would reveal the imprinted

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<v Speaker 1>image of the killer. According to one memoir published years

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<v Speaker 1>later by one of the inspectors after Mary Kelly's death.

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<v Speaker 1>The police actually tried it, he says. They didn't expect

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<v Speaker 1>it to work necessarily. They did it as an experiment,

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<v Speaker 1>but they did it all the same, and they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take half measures. They called in expert photographers and used

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<v Speaker 1>the latest type of cameras. They snapped away at Mary

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's Retina's, hoping that her trauma had imprinted itself there.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, all the effort was useless and it should

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<v Speaker 1>be no surprise that it didn't work. The result, he wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>was negative. Along with the idea of using bloodhounds to

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<v Speaker 1>hunt the killer through Whitechapel's busy streets. It was another

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<v Speaker 1>attempt at cutting edge technique that proved to be used

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<v Speaker 1>us in the heart of the city. There was another

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<v Speaker 1>set of eyes brought to the case, though, Melville McNaughton.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the man who had been refused police service

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<v Speaker 1>by Charles Warren at the beginning of eighteen eighty eight

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<v Speaker 1>when James Monroe to control of the Metropolitan Police. Though

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<v Speaker 1>McNaughton finally got his chance, here's Adam Wood to say more.

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<v Speaker 1>Things changed, of course, when Warren resigned at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of Monroe became commissioner. Mcnorton was appointed Assistant Chief Constable

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<v Speaker 1>support in Williamson in June and replaced him in December

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<v Speaker 1>nine when Williamson died. So they had the three friends

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<v Speaker 1>together there, Anderson, Monroe and mc norton. But although he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't around at the time of the reper investigation of

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<v Speaker 1>McNaughton was quite actively involved in inquiries into subsequent murders

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<v Speaker 1>in White Chapel, such as Alis McKenzie and Francis Coles.

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<v Speaker 1>And in his autobiography, which is completely exaggerated, he's rolling

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<v Speaker 1>everything to be honest, but he puts himself in the

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<v Speaker 1>center of things quite heavily there. I think it seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be that he was frustrated it on the outside,

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to be part of investigation, but certainly took any

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<v Speaker 1>big invol Whitney things alter his appointment. But if McNaughton

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<v Speaker 1>resented the fact that he wasn't on the case during

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<v Speaker 1>the Whitechapel murders, he didn't let his new opportunity go

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<v Speaker 1>to waste, because, as you may have guessed, Mary Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the last woman to be killed in Whitechapel, which

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<v Speaker 1>brings us to July of eight eighty nine, when an

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<v Speaker 1>East End lodger named John woke up to find that

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<v Speaker 1>his bed was empty and cold. His partner, Alice, hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>come to the lodging house the night before. He stumbled

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<v Speaker 1>blearily down the stairs to talk with the lodging housekeeper,

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<v Speaker 1>who told him that he hadn't seen Alice, nor had

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<v Speaker 1>she paid the fee for their bed. She was found

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<v Speaker 1>almost two hours later by a constable walking his beats

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<v Speaker 1>in Whitechapel. As he proceeded Downcastle Alley. Alice's body was

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<v Speaker 1>lying on the footpath between two vendor's carts, faintly lit

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<v Speaker 1>by a nearby street light. The constable saw that she

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<v Speaker 1>was slumped to her side and that her clothes were

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<v Speaker 1>stup over her body, where it lay in a pool

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<v Speaker 1>of blood. Dr Phillips was summoned for the medical examination,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Whitechappel detectives who made it to the scene

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<v Speaker 1>just after one o'clock were no strangers decides like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Less than a year had passed since Mary Kelly's death.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the same men were still on the job,

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<v Speaker 1>and the wounds they saw on Alice's body chilled them.

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<v Speaker 1>Two cuts acrossed her neck and long, jagged slices went

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<v Speaker 1>deep into her abdomen. Crowds packed in around Castle Alley,

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<v Speaker 1>crowds packed in around the mortuary, and Melville McNaughton must

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<v Speaker 1>have felt a thrill because the truth was as plain

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<v Speaker 1>as day. Jack the Ripper had killed again. That's it

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<v Speaker 1>for this week's episode of Unobscured. Stick around after this

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<v Speaker 1>short sponsor break for a preview of what's in store

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<v Speaker 1>for next week. When ever, a new body turned up,

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<v Speaker 1>the question had to be asked, was this the work

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<v Speaker 1>of Jack the Ripper. In a year that followed Autumn

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<v Speaker 1>of Terror, everyone responsible for governing life and death in

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<v Speaker 1>Whitechapel was caught in a fog of uncertainty. At Alice

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<v Speaker 1>Mackenzie's inquest, Win Baxter intoned for The Times of London

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<v Speaker 1>that there is great similarity between this and the other

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<v Speaker 1>class of cases which have happened in this neighborhood, and

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<v Speaker 1>if this crime has not been committed by the same person,

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<v Speaker 1>it is clearly an imitation of the other cases. There

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<v Speaker 1>is nothing to show why, he said, the woman is

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<v Speaker 1>murdered or by whom lon Obscured was created by me,

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