1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Inside Tup time at T senior insider Ken Rosenthal with 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: us right now, Ken, good to see what do you 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: think of the Mets adding Devin Williams here. 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: I pretty much have the same opinion as most of 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 2: my fellow writers, it seems, which is good move, but 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: necessary still to have Edwin Diaz in the back of 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: that bullpen. If you're building a really strong bullpen, if 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 2: you've got Devin Williams as your closer, well you better 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: build a strong group in front of him, which they 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: ultimately could do anyway. But I'd like this a whole 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: lot better if it's Williams setting up for Diaz. Not 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: that Devin Williams can't close, of course he can, but 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: as a setup man for Edwin Diaz, that is a 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: combination that a championship team would want and you could 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: see becoming something truly special. 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: Go for it, a j oh My question is which 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: one do you think they're going to be better at? Ken, 18 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: getting Edwin Diaz and trying to use Devin Williams as 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: a setup guy, or can they go out and fill 20 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: it to make Devin Williams because basically, when he was 21 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: at his best, he was a one inning guy they 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: brought him in the ninth in Milwaukee after getting through 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 3: eight innings and saying, go get the ninth and a 24 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: clean inning. So which one do you think the Mets 25 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 3: favor doing. 26 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: Well? It's going to depend on price. I know that's 27 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: kind of a cop out answer. 28 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 3: But if they feel it, what new can? 29 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 4: What new can? 30 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: Edwin d Has' price is excessive, They're not going to 31 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: assign Edwin Diaz. But if you're asking me, which is 32 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: the better way to go a group of strong setup 33 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: man men in front of Williams as a closer, or 34 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz in the back Devin Williams setting up and 35 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: then a group of guys, hopefully strong group in front 36 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: of them, I would say that's the better way to go. 37 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: But there are many ways to build a bullpen. We 38 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: know that, and often relievers come out of nowhere too. 39 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: Now you can't count on that. Obviously, it's much better 40 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: to have someone who's proven, like a Williams or a Daz, 41 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: But you can build bullpen. The Mets can build a 42 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: quality bullpen without Diaz and with Williams as their closer. 43 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: They just would be better with Diaz as the anchor. 44 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 5: I ken he just threw you a slider, I'm gonna throw 45 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 5: you the nastiest knuckleball. Is there a chance they get 46 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 5: DZ because they don't want to spend on starting pitching, 47 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 5: So they're gonna shorten the game and get guys who 48 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 5: can just go four innings like they have been and say, 49 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 5: we have much more stability, knowing what we're getting with 50 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 5: two elite and end of the game closers. We'll just 51 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 5: shorten the game and never have to spend anything on 52 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 5: a starting pitcher. 53 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: No, they need starting pitching, and you're right, teams today 54 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: Eric generally prefer, if possible, two shortened games. We just 55 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: don't see starters pitching deep into games anymore. But even 56 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: if you're taking that approach with the Mets, or if 57 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: you're the Mets, you're still gonna need guys to start 58 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: the game, beyond your three kids and beyond Dave Peterson 59 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: and the rest of that group. Manayah. So their clearest need. 60 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: Their biggest downfall last season was starting pitching. And even 61 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: with Devin Williams, and even if you get Edwin Diaz, 62 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: and even if you sign three other relievers, still gonna 63 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 2: need somewhere to take the ball at the start of 64 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: the game, and it's really hard to win with forwarding 65 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 2: starts every night because you're going to your bullpen every night. 66 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: The volatility that aj was speaking of comes into play. 67 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: So no, their priority still has to be two starting pitchers, 68 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: not one in my opinion too. And then go from there. 69 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: All right, ken, well, who's next? Which reliever is next 70 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: off the board? I know Pete Fairbanks has been mentioned, 71 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: There's some other guys out there that are mentioned as relievers. 72 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: So who's next. Who's the next closer to sign? Is 73 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: a DS is it Fairbanks? 74 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 4: Is someone else? 75 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: So we don't know a laid in and guy that 76 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 3: it's going to get big money. 77 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: I would expect Fairbanks. In fact, I thought he might 78 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: be the next one after Hellsley, and of course Williams 79 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: signed first. Fairbanks has gotten a ton of interest. The 80 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: Marlins have been a team on him. The Blue Jays 81 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: have been a team on him. They've been on the 82 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: other relievers as well, the land inning guys. Edwin Diaz 83 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: is maybe going to take a bit longer because he 84 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 2: has the qualifying offer and that complicates things with his market. 85 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: Teams have to give up a draft pick to sign him. 86 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: Robert Suarez. I would expect that he's going to take 87 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: a little bit longer too, though you don't know. And 88 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: as the Williams signing showed, even the Ryan Helsley signing showed, 89 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: the timing of these things are impossible to predict, but 90 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: certainly we are seeing a run on relievers. We're seeing 91 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: this from Rachel Iglesias to philm Ayton, to Hellsley to 92 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: now Devin Williams, and I'm probably missing a couple. Andrew 93 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: Kittridge had his option picked up by the Orioles after 94 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: they acquired him in a trade. The relievers are clearly 95 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 2: going first here, and there are quite a few left. 96 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: We've got Luke Weaver left, We've got a Millia Pegan left. 97 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: We've got ken Lee Jansen still out there, so there 98 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 2: are a number of options still available. Tyler Rodgers is 99 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: a hot guy too. 100 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: Hey, ken I want to be critical here of something 101 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: that I think shouldn't be overlooked. Pete Fairbanks didn't have 102 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: his option picked up. We're seeing what the prices are 103 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: looking like. There's almost no chance that Pete Fairbanks is 104 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: going to get less than what the race could have 105 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: picked him up for. I believe that there was concern 106 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: from the Rays that they weren't going to be able 107 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: to flip him. But now looking back, I think many 108 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: teams would have at least given up a prospect or 109 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: to lock in Pete Fairbanks for one season that I 110 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: believe ten or eleven million bucks. So how much did 111 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: they screw up? This is a team that can't spend much, 112 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: so they can't miss on the margins like this. 113 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: I agree, Scott, And actually I asked that question after 114 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: they decline the option, and what I was told is 115 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: that they have had a hard time trading him, or 116 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: they had a hard time trading him. It wasn't as 117 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: easy as we might think. You know, he has had 118 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: some physical issues and that comes into it. But for 119 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: whatever reason, at least in their mind, they weren't getting 120 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 2: the value that they wanted for Fairbanks. And certainly it 121 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: appeared to me that in a market this vibrant, with teams, 122 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: so many teams needing relievers, that someone would have given 123 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 2: them a prospect, as you said, for Pete Fairbanks. But 124 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 2: I don't know that they didn't try. They did try, 125 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 2: It's just that they didn't get what they wanted. Now, 126 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: should they have set their sites lower. That's something that 127 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: we could talk about, but we don't know exactly what 128 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: they were offered, so it's difficult to say. But this 129 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: is a team it certainly is not afraid to trade. 130 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 2: Last two deadlines, they've traded guys, a ton of guys, 131 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: and yet they didn't trade Fairbanks, and perhaps that tells 132 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 2: us that his market, at least in their eyes, wasn't 133 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: as good as it could have been. 134 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: Ken stay on the race here for a second. Is 135 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: Brandon Loyle going to get traded? 136 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 4: Is he next? 137 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: I mean, because like we just mentioned Pete Fairbanks, wasn't 138 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: I mean eleven million I think is what they declined. 139 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: He hopefully he gets more than that for a guy 140 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: that we all like here on FT. But is Brandon 141 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 3: low next? Is Are they finally going to pull the 142 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: trigger on Brandon Lowe? A guy who they locked in 143 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 3: and he's been a really good player for him and 144 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 3: he's been in rumors gosh, for I feel like Brandon 145 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: low has been rumored like every year, like, oh, Brandon 146 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: Llow's a guy. Are they finally going to pull the 147 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: trigger on him? 148 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: I would say they're more motivated than in the past. 149 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: He has only one year remaining, and then he will 150 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: become a free agent, so you have two more windows 151 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: to trade him. One would be now and one would 152 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: be at the deadline, where sometimes it's hard to find 153 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: fits for position players. So there are teams that could 154 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: use a left handed hitting second baseman like Brandon Lowe, 155 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: a guy who's third on the Rays all time list 156 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: in home runs, So they're going to listen. The problem 157 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: they have with trading him is that they don't have 158 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: really an internal replacement. Carson Williams could be their shortstop 159 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: eventually this season, maybe Taylor Walls moves to second. 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Now that, of course, is in a very 193 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: financially restricted way. They say it would be based on 194 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 2: their revenues. Why should we outspend our revenues. We all 195 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 2: get that. That said, when a new owner comes in, 196 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: generally a new owner wants to make an impact. And 197 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: we've written about this at the Athletic a little bit. 198 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: I do not expect it to happen. But Kyle Tucker 199 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: is from Tampa. Actually, Pete A. Lonzo is also from Tampa, 200 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: and you could make a real splash with one of 201 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: those two guys and the Rays. In the past, they 202 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: have made some big money bids. Freddie Freeman was the 203 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 2: most notable among them, but Freddie Freeman ended up being 204 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: one sixty five. Kyle Tucker probably will be twice that. 205 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: I don't see it happening. But to get to your point, Eric, 206 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: if I'm the new owners of the Rays, yeah, I'd 207 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: like to maybe make a signing or two, just demonstrate 208 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: right away my commitment and how it's going to be 209 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: a little bit different. 210 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, fans are pretty simple, right, It's like 211 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: Caveman status like feed me, give me a home for fans. 212 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: It's like you show up, talk to me a little bit. 213 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: Maybe sign someone give me a sign that things are 214 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: going to be different. So we haven't seen it yet, 215 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: but I mean there's time. We've got the off season 216 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: to go here while we're on the Rays real quick, Ken, 217 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw Brandon Hyde was picked 218 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: up there as a senior advisor. I just wanted to 219 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: reflect now that all of the manager roles have been filled, 220 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: were any names really surprising to you that they didn't 221 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: either get a job or didn't surface more? To me, 222 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: Hide stands out. And I know you wrote a story 223 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: about David Ross. It didn't sound like he got a 224 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: ton of interest either. 225 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 2: Those two for sure. And we've had some interesting managerial 226 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: hires this cycle, no doubt about it. And we've had 227 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: some first timers, guys like Kurt Suzuki who you could 228 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: think of as getting a chance at some point based 229 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: on the way teams higher now. And we've had some 230 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: outside the box hires Blake but Terra coming from the 231 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Rays minor league system becoming the Nationals manager 232 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: at thirty one, and of course Tony Botello and San 233 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: Francisco never been in professional baseball, only in college. We'll 234 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 2: see how this all plays out. I've written about this, 235 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: and I know people have strong opinions both ways. There 236 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: are some people who believe, hey, good for the game 237 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: to get new people in the mix and to find 238 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: these people and just take a different approach. There are 239 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: other people, and I would count myself in this group, 240 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: who think that experience matters a whole lot, and that 241 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: some of the more experienced managers who deserve a second 242 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: chance are getting overlooked in a way that they shouldn't be. 243 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,119 Speaker 2: And I would put Hyde and Ross in that category. 244 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: Was either the next Connie Mack in their first incarnations. No, 245 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: but we've seen managers who get second chances often succeed. 246 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: Derek Shelton got one in Minnesota. He'll be their new guy. 247 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: But to me, experience counts more than teams or certain 248 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 2: teams are giving a credit for. And it's sort of 249 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: an insult to some of these guys that they're not 250 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: getting at least a more serious look. And I know 251 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: people on both sides of this they don't see it 252 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: that way, but it's just a little unusual way this 253 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: has all gone down this offseason. 254 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 5: All right, you wrote any Notes column that about the 255 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 5: center field market with Jake Myers possibly being somebody that 256 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 5: the Astros would trade. Does a center field market go 257 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 5: through the aforementioned Minnesota Twins, just like you talked about 258 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 5: with the trades with Buxton, And is that kind of 259 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 5: the reason that maybe the ass are looking to move 260 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 5: Jake Myers they see a place where the teams need 261 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 5: some value with I think just Bader being the best 262 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 5: center field are available on the market. 263 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 4: Right now, no one. 264 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: Seems to know what the Twins are doing, and that's 265 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: a problem for all of us right now. I'm not 266 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: even sure the Twins know what they're doing just yet, 267 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: because they've gotten this infusion of money from the two 268 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: new minority investors, but they were going to use it 269 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: to cover and pay down their debt. And where they 270 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: are in a baseball sense is not clear at all, 271 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 2: And the Twins can go one of two ways. They 272 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 2: can continue what they started at the deadline, which was 273 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 2: just tearing it down to the absolute nubs, or they 274 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: can start to build back up again. They've got a 275 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: core of decent players, Buxton of course, foremost among them, 276 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: Joe Ryan Pablo Lopez. We can go right down the 277 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: line in a division that is perennially one of the 278 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: weaker divisions. They could build up again, fix their bullpen, 279 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: which they traded everybody from last July, and then try 280 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: to compete. I don't know that that's the way they're 281 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: going to go. And I don't know that they're going 282 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 2: to trade Ryan, Pablo Lopez and then Buxton too. I 283 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: don't know if that's their choice. But Dan Hayes of 284 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: the Athletic has written that if they continue this process, 285 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 2: if for instance, they choose to trade Ryan, then Buxton 286 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 2: is going to be open to a trade as well. 287 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: And it just all depends on the direction that they take, 288 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: and that direction, again is not yet clear. 289 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 4: Ken. 290 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: You're talking about the Marlins hiring coaches and losing coaches 291 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 3: and trying, and you're saying the free agent market is 292 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: slowed by coaches. To me, as a player, I'm like, wait, 293 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: why is the free agent market slowed by coaches? You 294 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 3: have a manager, you have a general manager. It doesn't 295 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: matter to me as a player really who the coaches are. 296 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go play there if I want. 297 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: To go that. 298 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't write it clearly enough, Aja, or maybe 299 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: you're not. 300 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 3: Or I didn't read it, or you didn't. 301 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: What I meant by that. What I'm referring to is 302 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: teams are so preoccupied right now and have been for 303 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: the past month or so in hiring new staff. They 304 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: lose people, they hire new people. There were nine managerial changes, right, 305 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: so you have all these teams hiring coaches from one 306 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: another and then having to replace the ones they lost 307 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: and all that. That is what delayed their attention on 308 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: trades in the free agent market. Now we're in full force. 309 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: Now there's still some hirings of staff members going on, 310 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: but for the most part, teams are focused on player personnel, 311 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: and that's where the off season generally is the most fun, 312 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: of course, but it does get delayed a bit by 313 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: all the staffing changes because teams they have to go 314 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: through interview processes, even for minor league hitting coordinators or 315 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: lower positions. Even it's not something that you just snap 316 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: your fingers and you've got that person. You've got to 317 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 2: go through a process and a few people bring them in, etc. 318 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: And it takes time. 319 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: Hey, Ken, I want to bring up the Andrew Baggerly 320 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: article from the athletic. Your colleague wrote about how San 321 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: Francisco is not going to necessarily be playing on big 322 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: starting pitching like Ami, who seemed like an obvious fit. 323 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: I just want to go against the Dodgers. It appears 324 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: the one I mean, go wherever you want to go. 325 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: But the one part I did want to include here 326 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: is he said how they're still about sixty million under 327 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: the luxury tax threshold, but there's other payments involved, like 328 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: Blake Snell's bonus and some money they have to pay 329 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: off for managers buyouts whatever. Even with that math, I'm like, 330 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: they still have a lot under the first threshold at 331 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: two forty four mils. So why do you think that 332 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: they're not going to get up to that mark? 333 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: I don't know, and it's very curious to me. And 334 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: I encourage people to read what Andrew Baggerley wrote because 335 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: he goes through just where the giants are. Now we've 336 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: known and we've seen them make some big money commitments. Devers, 337 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: of course, adamis Chapman, yes, even the center fielder. But 338 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: at the same time, if you're going to do that, 339 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: why do you stop? And it seems that they're stopping. 340 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: It seems that they're not gonna go big for the 341 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: pitching that they need. And it's very curious why they've 342 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: taken this approach. Whether it's related to an impending lockout. 343 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: I don't know whether ownership has simply decided we don't 344 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: want to do this at this level right now. It's 345 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 2: not clear. But to me, you're the giants, you're trying 346 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 2: to build back up. You've just hired a new manager. 347 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: Why are you taking not necessarily a step back, but 348 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 2: a step sideways. It just doesn't seem to add up 349 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 2: to me. 350 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 4: Ken, are you coming? 351 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: You're coming to the Winter Meetings next week? 352 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 4: Right? 353 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: No, I'm boycotting the Winter meeting. 354 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 3: I figured I figured that, Ken, because that would mean 355 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 3: that you would have to hang out with me, and 356 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: therefore you might have to pay for dinner. So therefore 357 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 3: you would boycott. 358 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 4: So at least. 359 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: Let me throw this out there, because hold on, hold on, 360 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: let me talk. I know former players get easily when 361 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: I don't rise to their beck and call when they 362 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: summoned me at something like the Winter meetings. I've had 363 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: this happen to me. 364 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: Actually, And let. 365 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 2: Me tell you something. When I'm at the Winter Meetings, 366 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 2: I'm working I'm not hanging out. 367 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: With Aj Brazinski. 368 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 4: Sorry. 369 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: Oh well, and that that needs me. 370 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 4: My next thing. 371 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 3: I live about ten minutes from where you're going to be. 372 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 3: You could drive your little happy ass over there and 373 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 3: you could actually do the show live, but I and 374 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 3: then you could do it at my house and I 375 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: won't be at my house. 376 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 4: I'll be at the hotel. 377 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 3: So that way you wouldn't have to actually see me, 378 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 3: but you could be on the show live, but just 379 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 3: not in the same location. 380 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: Aj, my little happy ass will be working. 381 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 3: Ken's. By the way, Ken, speaking of former players, I 382 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 3: played golf today with Brad Hand and he's a who's 383 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 3: on the show today? And I said, Ken Rosenthal And 384 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 3: he said, man, that's the one guy. And I don't 385 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 3: know he's no longer invited to play golf with me. 386 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 3: He said, he's the one guy that you could actually 387 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: trust and if you told him something, he would do 388 00:18:58,359 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: the right. 389 00:18:58,640 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 4: Thing with it. 390 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 3: So Ken, that's my one for you for the next 391 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: twelve Nice to me, all right, But it wasn't for me. 392 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 4: I was just relaying the message. 393 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 2: Well, no, I appreciate that, but you're relaying to something nice. 394 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 2: Even that's unusual. Usually we hold that kind of information. 395 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 4: I know, I know, I'm. 396 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: In a state of shock. Well that's a good way 397 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: to say goodbye. And really, Ken, don't worry. We'll make 398 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: sure that this isn't just an AI fake version of AJ. 399 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: We'll spend the next hour working on that. But you 400 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: do your thing. We will talk to you later this 401 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: week and we will see you at the Winter meetings 402 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: next week. 403 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: Thank you. 404 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 4: You can't speak. 405 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: Okay, it's still AJ, he interrupted you. 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Let's start with 425 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Royals, who apparently are open to potentially 426 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: shopping some pitching. So JJ Piccolo to the Boston Globe 427 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: and asked if any anyone in the rotation was excluded 428 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: from a potential deal. He said, I wouldn't say anyone 429 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: is off limits. There would have to be a really 430 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: big return for one starter in particular. But basically you're 431 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: seeing that the Royals could trade a pitcher for something 432 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: like an outfielder. The Roys definitely still have work to 433 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: do with their lineup. There are some promising parts of it, 434 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: as we know, Bobby Wood Junior and maybe Jack Kaggs 435 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: has a little breakout. Mike cale Garcia certainly did this 436 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: past season. 437 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 4: I do. 438 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: He also added that the Royds would prefer to retain 439 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: Seth Lougo and Michael Waka after both remained with the 440 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: club beyond their initial deals. So some people are turning 441 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: to guys like Chris Bubitch or even call Reagan's. Maybe 442 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: one of them will be available. Reagan's had kind of 443 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: a lost year compared to what he did the year 444 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: prior he was hurt. Let me bring up this one 445 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: other tweet and then we'll get your thoughts. So Mike 446 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: Petriello put this out there, and I do think it's 447 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: a good point about the state of their rotation. He goes, 448 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: I keep seeing Casey going to trade starting pitching for outfielder. 449 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm having a tough time with that. Waka Lugo both 450 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: mid thirties. Lugo was not good this past season. Cameron, Noah, 451 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: Cameron is useful, but has quote going to take a 452 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: step back written all over him. Boobach, Reagan's had injuries. 453 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: Can they afford a starting pitching trade? So Aj, what 454 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: do you think I mean? 455 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 3: I'll just echo what Mike just said, Like Petriolo, I mean, 456 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: this was exactly what I was going to say before 457 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 3: we showed this tweet is can they afford to trade Reagans? 458 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 3: Can they afford the trade a Brubrich, Lugo and Waka 459 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: are in their mid thirties, and then you have Noah 460 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: Cameron who had a nice year, but can he do 461 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 3: it again? And so I don't know they can afford it. 462 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 3: Can they find Why don't they just go out and 463 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 3: do what they did before and try to find those 464 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 3: fringy really good players but not the superstar players and 465 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 3: have them come in for a year or two and 466 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 3: do what they do because they already have Salvey, great, 467 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 3: great player, probably going to the Hall of Fame. You 468 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: have Bobby Witt, You have mikeel Garcia, you have keg 469 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: Leon you hope takes the next step. You have the passquatch, 470 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: Minnie Paspentino, right, you have Michael Massey who you hope 471 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 3: has a bounce back, doesn't get injured in spring training 472 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 3: and miss first month and a half and try to 473 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: play catch up. I think they have the core of 474 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 3: a team that can be decent. Can they go add 475 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 3: to it and make it take the next level? That's 476 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 3: the question. Why do you have to treat go out 477 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 3: and spend some money. They have money, It's not like 478 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 3: they spent all their money and threw it all out. 479 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,239 Speaker 3: They have money. Go find those guys that are a 480 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 3: Harrison Bader type. They can cover all of center field 481 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 3: for you, right, or someone like that that you hope 482 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 3: has a great year and everyone else has their normal year. 483 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 3: Some guys have bounced back years. Boom, you're right back 484 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 3: where you were two years ago in the playoffs and 485 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 3: you have a chance. 486 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 5: I'm gonna say no, they can't afford it. I mean 487 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 5: it was this year last time. Last year, at this time, 488 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 5: they tried to upgrade their offense. They tried to upgrade 489 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 5: their lead off on base percentage guy and go get 490 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 5: Jonathan India didn't work out. They lost thirty two starts 491 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 5: from Brady Singer. 492 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 4: I get it. 493 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 5: Nobody's you know, everyone's like, oh, strikeout raid, isn't that 494 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 5: great and stuff. So he's just more of a contact guy. 495 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 5: Like for me being with the when we were successful, 496 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 5: it was all because of defense and pitchers who threw strikes. 497 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 5: Brady Singers out there for thirty two starts. Does he 498 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 5: punch out the world? 499 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: No? 500 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 5: In Kansas City, where he makes half his starts, you 501 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 5: don't need to punch out the world. So to me, 502 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 5: getting rid of another starter that's two in two years, 503 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 5: I get it, Reagan's only in thirteen starts. But this 504 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 5: is a guy who I think only had sixty some 505 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 5: innings and he almost had one hundred strikeouts. So I 506 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 5: don't see them being able to afford getting rid of 507 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 5: him unless you are talking about a mega aircraft carrier 508 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 5: outfielder that's gonna step in and really change this lineup. 509 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 5: Are they going to trade with the Minnesota Twins for 510 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 5: Byron Buxton? Are they going to trade Are they going 511 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 5: to take on this mega outfielder type of contract that 512 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 5: would make up for losing Reagans and what he could 513 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 5: do if he has another Cy Young. I think he's 514 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 5: fourth into sy Young two years ago type of year. Like, No, 515 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 5: I don't think they can afford it. 516 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: Okay, well you brought it up. I'll make the easy 517 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: transition right now. Let's just go right to Buxton for 518 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: our next little rumor thing we can bring up. Stephen 519 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: from Hammer Territories tweet Very interesting note, he said from 520 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: Jeff Passon this morning, reporting that Byron Busting is willing 521 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: to wave his no trade clause for Atlanta, among other places, 522 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: and he's from Georgia, so that makes some sense. People 523 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: have pointed to him there. And remember not so long ago, 524 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: he said he was not going to wave his no 525 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: trade clause. Then the Twins decided they weren't going to 526 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: sell and they were instead the owners weren't going to 527 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: sell and staid they were going to sell half the team, 528 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden there could be some second 529 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: thoughts here. So the article from pass And says willing 530 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: to wave his no trade clause not just for Atlanta 531 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: with put them in an interesting position. So yeah, maybe 532 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: Kansas City for Byron Bucks that would be cool. Again, 533 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: he's got to approve anything a Jay, but I mean 534 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: that would be a big, sure, somewhat risky move because 535 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: of the injury history. But if you get the version 536 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: of Bucks in from this past season, that's an impact. 537 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 3: True, but he's not going to Kansas City. They're not 538 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: going to want to trade him. Inside the division not happening. 539 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: So it's cool, Scott that you come up with these 540 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: crazy ideas that are never going to happen. 541 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 4: I like it. 542 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: Well, Kratz got both you guys, crazy ideas that are 543 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 3: never going to happen. 544 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 4: I like it. 545 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: But I will say this, Atlanta, what you pair him 546 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: with Michael Harrison, Ronald Acunya and Alby's and Riley and 547 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: Murphy and Baldwin and Olsen. You got you got something 548 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: bruin Atlanta and you're throwing Pablo Lopez just for fun? 549 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 4: Why not? 550 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 3: I mean, we're going crazy. Let's get crazy here. So 551 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 3: then they can just send Sean Murphy back to the 552 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: Twins and they get to Murphy and the Twins and say, hey, 553 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 3: we got to catch her. So I don't know, but 554 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 3: let's get crazy. 555 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 4: No. 556 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 3: I love this by our bucks and if he can 557 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 3: stay healthy anywhere he goes. This was like the Dylan 558 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 3: Cees rumors, the Sunny Grade to Atlanta because there's so 559 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 3: many people that grew up Brave fans me included because 560 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 3: of Superstation TVs and that was where every kid in 561 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 3: the South grew up watching the team because there was 562 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 3: no Raise, there was no Marlins, there was nothing except 563 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 3: for the Atlanta Braves, and. 564 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 4: We all wanted to play there. I got to do it. 565 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 3: And if you get the opportunity to do it. It 566 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 3: was a great organization and it's not going to happen 567 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 3: because I think Byron Buckson is going to stay there, 568 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 3: and I commend him for that, But I mean, I 569 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 3: think he would waive Hiss no trade clause if it 570 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 3: came to that. 571 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 5: I think there is one thing that Scott said was, 572 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 5: oh if he stays healthy, Like, are teams willing to 573 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 5: take that risk? Of the teams that are willing to 574 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 5: spend fifteen million dollars on and on an outfielder and 575 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 5: the teams that are willing to give up prospects for it, 576 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 5: all of them are willing to take the risk. Even 577 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 5: if you get one good year out of the three, 578 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 5: Like there's you know, he keeps having injury concerns and 579 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 5: all this stuff. If you get one good year, he 580 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 5: is a organizational, season changing type of player. Every team, 581 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 5: every team that has a chance, should be in on 582 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 5: Byron Buxton. 583 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: And I will agree with you that if you get 584 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: one good year out of the three, the rest of 585 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: the contract is worth it. He's not getting paid a 586 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: ton of money in Major League Baseball standards. 587 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 4: He's fifteen a year, fifteen a year. 588 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: One season with that he puts together like that is 589 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: worth in today's game, fifty million bucks. It is. That's 590 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: how it's looked. 591 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 5: At you insert that into a lineup, you insert that 592 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 5: defense into your starting rotation. I mean, I get it, 593 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 5: Like every every team would want that. There's not a 594 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 5: team that's sitting there going like think about the Blue Jays. 595 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 5: They have Dalton Varshow in center field, Platinum Glove winner, 596 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 5: how good would he be in left field with the 597 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 5: added power and defense that that would add with Buxton 598 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 5: center field. You talk about the Phillies, obviously they have 599 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 5: center field options open. You talk about the Yankees, they 600 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 5: wouldn't have to sign Cody Bellinger for as much as 601 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 5: they're going to sign Cody Bellinger or take a guess 602 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 5: on if Domingus is going to play well. Every team 603 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 5: would want Byron Buxton, even with the quote injury risk. 604 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: Hey, let's get to one more here in spreading rumors. 605 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: What about Wilson Contreras for teams now that the Cardinals 606 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: have kind of declared that it is cell mode for 607 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: some of these vets. 608 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 4: Give me a team. 609 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: There are teams that can use the first base. 610 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: Give me, give me a team, Give me a team. 611 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: Kevin Kiermeier, Why am I Kevin Kermeer? 612 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 3: What team? Because he came out to teams of and 613 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 3: I want to know what team? So what teams? 614 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 4: Dock? How along? Scott? 615 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 3: Keep up? 616 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, hold on, and then we'll show Katie's sweets. 617 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 1: What about the Mets if they don't bring back Pete Alonzo? 618 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if they don't bring back Pete Alonzo. 619 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 3: Here here's my question for you. 620 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, Red Sox, we don't know what it's 621 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: going to look like. Okay, you're gonna keep relying on him. 622 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 1: He hasn't been healthy for them. 623 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 4: Okay, keep going. 624 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 3: So far he named two teams that might have. 625 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 4: A position for the Yankees don't have a first base 626 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 4: they do his name is Ben Rice because he's not 627 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 4: a catcher. 628 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: What about the Washington Nationals? 629 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 3: Hoolsting a nurse is not waving his no trade. 630 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: To go to the Washington Nationals new regime. 631 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 4: They're into winning now. 632 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 3: He's older. He's older than the manager of the hitting coach, 633 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 3: the pitching coach, and the GM combined. 634 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: There's probably five to sevent teams, that's true. There's probably 635 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: five to seven teams that could use the first base upgrade. 636 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: You don't think so, Padres, Padres a good one. 637 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 4: Padres, not what happened here? So you don't have the 638 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 4: tack question. 639 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 5: Here's my question to you, AJ is he worth Let's say, 640 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 5: I mean the Cardinals have been into buying down these contracts. 641 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 5: He's essentially making about seventeen or eighteen million. If is 642 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 5: he worth ten million a year for the next let's see, 643 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 5: that would be two seasons if somebody buys down. If 644 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 5: somebody buys down basically half of what he's what he's 645 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 5: going to get in twenty six and twenty seven, Is 646 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 5: he worth that? 647 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want to give up the prospect capital, 648 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 3: which everyone knows in baseball today, prospect capital is worth 649 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 3: more than the actual dollars that you're paying a player, 650 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 3: according to some gms and some front offices. So for 651 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 3: ten million dollars a year, I mean, listen, his last 652 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 3: three years, we'll go, since he went to Saint Louis's 653 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 3: got eight twenty six ops, A forty eight seven ninety 654 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 3: one one twenty three ops plus one thirty eight ops 655 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 3: plus one twenty three ops plus as a first baseman 656 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: slash catcher. We all know he's not a catcher, so 657 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 3: he's a first basement slash teach. Are those numbers that 658 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 3: you can say for ten million dollars a year. Absolutely, 659 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 3: Are you willing to pay the prospect capital to get 660 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 3: him down to ten million dollars a year? That's a question. 661 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 3: Everything has to every GM in front office has to ask. 662 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 3: But I will say this, Matt. So if they don't 663 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 3: sign Controns, he'd fit nicely. 664 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 4: Red Sox. As you said, Scott. 665 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 3: If they don't figure out what to do with Castes, 666 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 3: I feel like they can give another year and see 667 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 3: what happens. Yes, he'd fit nicely. Other than that, where 668 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 3: do we go? Where do we go? He's and he 669 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 3: also he has a full note trade, so he's going 670 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 3: to want to go to a team that's gonna win. 671 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 3: He's not going to the Dodgers, Rodre's possible Brewers. But 672 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 3: do he go to the Brewers with his brother? 673 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? 674 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: I think you would love to play with his bro 675 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: Here's my thing with this, and we'll show you think. 676 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 3: But the Brewers aren't going to do that, Scott. 677 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 4: The Brewers aren't going to do that. 678 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: Why because he's getting paid if they got to buy money. 679 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 3: Down and they're not going to want to give up 680 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 3: the prospects that're going to take to get them to 681 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 3: buy the money down. 682 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 4: I don't know. 683 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: I think they would give up the prospects. Also, I 684 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: don't know how much he's going to command. I think 685 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: that the Cardinals are super motivated to move Gray which 686 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: they just did Arenatto, which I think is going to 687 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: be very difficult at this point. They might just have 688 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: to do a buy out there and then Contrere's who 689 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: is a tradable asset. But I think the key for 690 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: the Cardinals right now is they do want to clear 691 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: some money, and they truly want to get the youth 692 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: movement and the rebuild going. So I think they're pretty 693 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: motivated as long as Wilson's into it. Let's show the 694 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: Katie tweets just to give more context here of why 695 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: we're bringing it up now, because you've got to remember 696 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: that the Cardinals didn't have the okay from these guys 697 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: what about a year ago, or at least not a 698 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: very firm okay when they spoke to them after not 699 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: making the playoffs in twenty twenty four. It sounded like 700 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: Contrera's gray boat said no, and Arnatto was very picky 701 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: and didn't end up getting moved. Katie said Contreras has 702 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: opened to trade offers and has become more willing to 703 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: waive that no trade clause over the last few weeks, 704 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: and so she wrote an article about how that fits 705 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: into the picture for what they're doing heading into the 706 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: winter meetings, and then the follow up tweet from Katie 707 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: said this will not necessarily change the team's order of operations, 708 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: but they're open to shopping Contreras. The top priority again 709 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: remains trading Nolan Anado and one of their lefty hitters 710 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: with uh large new bart along with Brendan Donovan continuing 711 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: to gauge interest from rival clubs. I think they're going 712 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: to be pretty motivated to try and trade Wilson Contreras. 713 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the next what we got there, the next 714 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals playoff team probably doesn't have Contreras under contract, right Ajay? 715 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 3: No, Well, what I mean listen to the Cardinals have 716 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 3: a bunch of the same guys. They've got to make 717 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 3: it up New bar Donovan, all those guys, they're all like, 718 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 3: they're all like lefty hitters that are pretty good but 719 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 3: haven't proved a whole lot yet. I mean, there's a 720 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 3: for Ferguson Furlessen. Sorry, and they got to make some decisions. 721 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 3: That's why they got Heim bloom in there to make 722 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 3: these tough decisions, and I feel so bad for him, Blum. 723 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 3: I can't wait to get him on in the Winter 724 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 3: Meetings because him's coming on with us. That he goes 725 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 3: to Boston, I gotta trade Mookie Betts, oh no, and 726 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 3: then he. 727 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 4: Goes to Saint Louis. 728 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 3: He's like, I gotta trade Sonny Gray, I gotta trade 729 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 3: Wilson Inturist, and I gotta try to wait trade uh Arnatto. 730 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 3: Like what did this guy do along the way to 731 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 3: make himself have such a tough road to hoe? 732 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 4: Can you just get a job where they're. 733 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 3: Like spend money him and make the team great again. 734 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 3: I don't understand, but no, he keeps getting stuck in 735 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 3: these situations and he loves it. He's he's really good 736 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 3: at it. But they got to do something in Saint 737 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 3: Louis because one the fans weren't back there, and to 738 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 3: the fan right, the team is stale and I love 739 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 3: Allie Marmel. He's also going to come on the show 740 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 3: the Winter Meetings. But you got to do something to 741 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 3: mix it up and change whatever the mojo, the flow, 742 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, the chemistry or the 743 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 3: whatever you know they all call it something, but you 744 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 3: got to you got to just blow it up and 745 00:35:59,600 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 3: start over. 746 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's what he's trying to do. And Nolan 747 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: Gordon a specialty dude, because he came from the Rays 748 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: and he did it really well with Boston. Now the 749 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: Cardinals are hoping that he can do the same thing. 750 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: The Cardinals would love to be in Boston position in 751 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: two years. 752 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 4: You can. 753 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 3: I'll say this, I'm Blue, my trusted I trust in 754 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 3: him Blue. 755 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: So wait, let's get back to the root of this. 756 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: I'll start with Kratz here. Do you think that Wilson 757 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: Contreris gets traded this offseason? I actually think there's a 758 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: good chance he does. 759 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 4: You don't, I don't. I don't. 760 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 5: I just think people see the first base position as 761 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,760 Speaker 5: a position that they can fill. 762 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 4: They can fill with a left fielder. 763 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 5: Hey, we'll play first when catching, you know, when you're 764 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 5: not catching, we can. It feels like teams use first 765 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 5: base for not what it's what it's actually meant for, 766 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 5: Like it's actually an important position that your three infielders 767 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 5: throw to all the time, that is a premium corner position. 768 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 5: They see it as somebody who if I'm going to 769 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 5: spend money like Wilson Contreres is making. Oh I want 770 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 5: to see thirty home runs and I don't think he 771 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 5: has that. So I don't think. I don't think he 772 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 5: gets moved. 773 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 4: I don't. 774 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: He's a very good offensive player. And my thing aja 775 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: is I do think that his reputation can be questioned 776 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: sometimes because he's a hot head on the field, and 777 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: that'll at least turn off some teams that don't know 778 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: him well. I think that actually makes the No, you 779 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: don't think that matters at all. I think I think 780 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: teams use that against a team when they're negotiating, though, to. 781 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 4: Try it for him. 782 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 3: Trust because someone that went through it as a free agent, 783 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 3: I understand that. But if they want a player about enough, 784 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 3: they'll do it. 785 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 4: Okay. 786 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: Do you think he gets traded this offseason? 787 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 4: No? I think it's trade deadline? Oh okay. 788 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 5: I was very surprised that the Cardinals paid so much 789 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 5: for him to be a catcher. I was very surprised, 790 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 5: and it showed showed a lot to me about their 791 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 5: evaluation and internal metrics of what because he played against 792 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 5: them all he was in their division, that you could 793 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 5: see what he was bringing to the Field, so that 794 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 5: I was very surprised about. So I guess I'd be 795 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 5: very surprised if he gets traded somewhere without a lot 796 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 5: of that money getting eaten. And I don't think the 797 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 5: Cardinals can eat all of Aeronado's so much is a 798 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 5: twenty one million of Sonny Grays and then probably another 799 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 5: twenty of the next two years of Wilson Contreras. 800 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 1: Why not? Why couldn't they do that? The money doesn't 801 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: all get eaten in one shot, right, You pay it 802 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: per year. So for them, they'd actually be trimming payroll. 803 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: They wouldn't be adding, right. I mean, for as much 804 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: as they're paying Sonny Gray, it's still what half of 805 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: what they would have been paying Sonny Gray. 806 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 4: Yes, I look at it the other way. 807 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: I think they're looking to get rid of these guys, 808 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: and now's the chance. Like for me, guys, Wilson Contreras 809 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: still could rake. Right, He's still a very good above 810 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: average hitter borderline, right, I mean, what was he this year? 811 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: Where twenty four I think ops plus this year? 812 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 5: Where is h Where is that compared to other first baseman, 813 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 5: It's like it's like saying, oh, you know, this catcher 814 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 5: was a was only a league average hitting catcher, but 815 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 5: compared to other catchers, if you're at league average, you're 816 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 5: an above average hitting catcher. So where does where does 817 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 5: his one twenty eight? Where does it rank compared to 818 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 5: other first basemen in the league? Is my question. And 819 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 5: then you're saying, okay, he's right handed. Now we've locked 820 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,919 Speaker 5: up our first base position. I get it he could 821 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 5: be if there's teams that are really into Pete Alonso, Hey, 822 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 5: you know what we'll we'll take We'll take the money 823 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 5: we save, we'll put a little bit into Wilson Contreres, 824 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 5: and you know it'll be a serve, it'll be a 825 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 5: serviceable player at that position. 826 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,919 Speaker 3: I mean, I think, like you, the Concherise was third 827 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 3: in ops by the way, just definitely at. 828 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 4: At first base. 829 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that's what it said. Okay, hold on, 830 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 3: Nick Kurtz was the ops. Oh, Nick Kurtz was first 831 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 3: in the American League. Uh, anyways, yeah, Nick Kurtz was 832 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:20,919 Speaker 3: the best. 833 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: Well anyway, anyone else watching right now comment, let us 834 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: know your thoughts. I think it's a tradable asset. I 835 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: think now would be the time to do it. Cardinal's 836 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 1: clearly trying to turn a page and do a little 837 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: mini rebuild. That's what I'm bloom Is up to right now, 838 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: So I think they're going to aggressively shop him. It 839 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: was twelfth and ops. 840 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 3: Alonzo was one Freddy to Michael Bush, Matt Olson, Vlad Harper, Rice, 841 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 3: Rice Naylor, O'Hearn, Burlssen on the same team. By the way, 842 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,439 Speaker 3: Pasquentino conturist twelfth. 843 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,919 Speaker 1: To about middle of the pack. 844 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:02,760 Speaker 3: First starter Gold Gold Schmid seven thirty one, Queen