1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of The Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Box Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: boxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR eh what we did. 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: I gotta show Box Sports Radio. Hope you're having a 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: great day. It's a Friday. Ah, you made it. You 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: made it. You survived the week after forth July. You're like, Damn, 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: today's Friday. It Today's Friday, Today's Friday. Mmmmmmm. I am 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: excited about the new sports here, the really sports here 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: turns over all Star Break, which is upcoming next week 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: in baseball that's Basebowl, so also breaks forally here. You 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: know it's here. I'm taking a break break. We'll take 15 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: one with him. That's That's exactly what's up. I want 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: to combine two things in one, which, yes, I know 17 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: there is an ad campaign. Wasn't that a t Was 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: that a Kelsey ad campaign? Right? Two things in one? Yeah, 19 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: I want to combine two things one. I can compare 20 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: combined last night's game between the Maverick Summer League team 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: and the Lakers Summer League team, and the story in 22 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: regards to the Lakers and their treatment, if you will, 23 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: of lebron James since the Luka Doncic trade. Okay, so 24 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: last night you watched Bronnie James, And again I understand 25 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: that anytime you give any reasonable feedback about Bronnie that's 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: not oh my gosh, he's a rotation player next year. 27 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: What an incredible discovery the Lakers made of this poor 28 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: kid who just barely played at USC because he's coming 29 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: off the heart issue. If I say any anything other 30 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: than that, I'm deemed to be a hater. Okay, washing 31 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: him in high school, wash him in aau, washing him 32 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: at USC. Hey. His year at USC, I was still 33 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: covering college basketball for the TV Network other TV networks, 34 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: and I lived in southern California as well as helping 35 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: out some in Oklahoma State. Okay, this year, again, I 36 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: watched as much as I could. I did watch some 37 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: G League games, some he played well and some he didn't. 38 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: And I watched you know, the NBA bit minutes here 39 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: or there, whatever. So I'm trying to give you the truest, 40 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: most honest assessment. If that bothers you, I don't know 41 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: it just that bothers you. That's not my issue. I 42 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: don't think he looked like a bad basketball player. He 43 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: didn't look like he was a make a wish picked 44 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: out of the crowd. Oh my gosh, this poor kid. 45 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: Let's give him a uniform and let him run up 46 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: and down the court. There were times in which he 47 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: defended at a high level. He made a couple of 48 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: nice shots, he had a nice drive and kick off 49 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: for a dunk, like there were some good things there. 50 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: But there were other times in which he was just 51 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: a guy out there, what's called a jag, just a guy, 52 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: And my evol would have been, okay, wait, he played 53 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: in the NBA last year, he was in the G 54 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: League and he and that's it. I would have said, 55 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 1: not a rotation player, probably not a full time NBA guy. 56 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: If you've had that much experience and that much work 57 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: with the big club, this should be way easier for you. 58 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean, really, it's like playing Madden at the all 59 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: pro level, and now you're playing Madden at the rookie level. 60 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: Even if you barely do anything at the all pro level, 61 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: you get the Rooie of like this is a lot easier, 62 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: And I was thinking to myself, like he's not bad. 63 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: But remember last year JJ Reddick when they draft him, 64 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: it's like he's earned this, and everybody said, like, oh, 65 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: then you give him the four year guarante he contracts. 66 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: People said, oh, yeah, then you play him Opening Night 67 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: and it was a photo op and like, look, I 68 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: do get it. You know, I've said this ten times 69 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: over that if the worst thing Lebron has done as 70 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: a parent is make the Lakers draft and play his kid, 71 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: like it's really in comparison to what some other stars 72 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 1: have done with their kids, or their lack of engagement, 73 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: or their sons you know, weren't nearly as good or 74 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, like he has no off the court 75 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: issues at all. Talk about Lebron zero one wife, three kids, 76 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: and yeah, we can find fault with dads, But dads 77 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: that love their kids so much they think they're better 78 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: athletes than they actually are. That sounds like every dad ever, 79 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: right ever, but they clearly did to curry favor with Lebron. 80 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: So again, I'm trying to put these two stories together. 81 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: So why would the Lakers go from hey man Lebron's 82 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: our guy. We wanted to set that career scoring mark. 83 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: We want to go all in on Lebron to they 84 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: sell the team and they don't even call them, they 85 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: don't give them the heads up. Why would they? And 86 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: my best guess, hey, my best guess is that the 87 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: Lebron thing is a lot, man, It's just a lot. 88 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: It wears you down. There is a shelf life on it. 89 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: And I think there was an attempted coup at several 90 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: times of Rob Polinka of the Lakers' front office. If 91 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: you go back to what pat Riley said when he 92 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: left the Heat, remember, okay, what Phil Jackson said he 93 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: had heard about pat Riley's experience when he was with 94 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: the Heat, which is he brings in all his guys 95 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: and he tries to take over your shop. And so 96 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: my guess is that at some point they got to 97 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: the like, we just got to get out of this 98 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: doing everything for Lebron thing. We traded the kitchen sink 99 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: for Anthony Davis won a title. Then we want to 100 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: go get DeMar de Rosen and he says, no, no, no, 101 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: We're going to get Russell Westbrook. Then we have to 102 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: just get rid of Russell Westbrook. That's just an ugly episode. 103 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: We've cycled through coaches that can't coach him. Now you 104 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: make them draft your son. And again, I don't know 105 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: this for a fact, and no people in the organization 106 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: has not been told to me for a fact. But 107 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: if you keep kind of forcing it, forcing, forcing it, 108 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: and you know, like, why was Brownnie with the big club? 109 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,559 Speaker 1: Do you think they love the fact that he didn't 110 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: travel to Bronnie didn't travel to road games for the 111 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: first half of the year in the G League. Then 112 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: when he does play in the G League, he takes 113 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: every shot. Then when he's on the team, it's like, 114 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, how do like that? That whole thing? It 115 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: it It makes a little what they what they called 116 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: when you have little clicks within a team, it becomes 117 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,559 Speaker 1: very clique. And it's not to say Lebron's a bad 118 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: guy or that if you were that powerful, you wouldn't 119 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: exert some of that powerful. But there does come a 120 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: point where as a team you're like, dude, f that dude. 121 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: We do everything for him, everything, everything, And what's his 122 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: reaction been like to the trade? Well, hey, it could 123 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: be me next. Any rumors about their clubs that's all 124 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: coming from Lebron, and I just think the Lakers are 125 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: just kind of done with it and sort of And 126 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: this is, by the way, how Lebron treats people. Lebron 127 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: doesn't go up to a coach when he wants him 128 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: fired and says you're fired. He doesn't go up to 129 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: a player and says, I'm never talking to you again. 130 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: He just stops communicating with them. That was the whole 131 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: thing with Russell Westbrook. Remember there's the famous part on 132 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: the bench when he's sitting there with Anthony Davison and 133 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook's coming up and talked to him, and it's 134 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: like he's not even there. It's like he's looking completely 135 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: through him. He might as well have that invisible cloak 136 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: that they had with Harry Potter, right, So it's one 137 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: of those Hey, it's really weird that Lebron is disgusted 138 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: over the passive aggressive ways of the Lakers when he's 139 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: the king of passive aggressive. And the perfect example of 140 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: it is here's last night, all this hype, they put 141 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: all this into Brownie's development, and he's right, he's not 142 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: tear like, please don't let anybody tell you, God said 143 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: he's terrible. 144 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: Was not. 145 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: But dude, anybody who's played in the league, there's just 146 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: a different sort of swagger, different sort of look, different 147 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: sort of control on the game. They just look feel 148 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: everything is different than everybody else. So when's my ted talk, 149 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: Dan Byer, what do you think does that? Do you 150 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: do you buy any of that that? It's not It's 151 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: not one thing, it's it's years of build up to 152 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: where finally they're like, you know what, you want to 153 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: be passive aggressive, we'll do the passive aggressive thing. We 154 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: pick up your player option. But we're not We're not 155 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: doing we're not holding meetings and like, what do you 156 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: want us to do? 157 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel that the Lakers finally have control and 158 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 3: they can go into their file cabinet and bring out 159 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 3: all the things that they've kept under wraps or things 160 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: that they haven't spoken about, which you laid out there 161 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: where they said, well this is the reason why. And 162 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: maybe they won't even do that. Maybe they'll just take 163 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: the high road and say, all right, we've just decided 164 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 3: to chart our future in a different direction with Luka 165 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: Doncic and move on that way. But none of that 166 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: stuff in the past, I'm sure helps. I also said before, 167 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: I feel it's been a relationship built on convenience and 168 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: for all of that, I don't think that the Lakers 169 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: should deny that they had their own reasons for allowing 170 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: Lebron to do that. But yeah, now it's a different time. 171 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: Evan tweets us and he says, guys, Pat Benattar did 172 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: a song called I Am the Warrior. Patty smythe did 173 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: the Warrior? Two different songs, two different songs. H So again, 174 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: I can you can you do me a favor, Sam 175 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: and find I Am the Warrior and then juxtapose it 176 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: with the Warrior and see if I have any sort 177 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,359 Speaker 1: of maybe. 178 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 3: I was you were singing Scandal like, yes, you were like. 179 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah. 180 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: In the Scandal's version, don't they say I Am the Worrior? Yes, 181 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: which was written first Google machine? 182 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 5: Okay, this is Patty, Yes, this is yeah. No, what 183 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 5: it says Dennis is yes, No, this is Jason. It 184 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 5: says on there, Pat Bennettar, that's weird. Okay, I don't 185 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 5: know who cares. 186 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: I gotta know. 187 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: I have to know these things, like my idiot, it's 188 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 3: got to be in our system, right. 189 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: No, he's saying it's in our system, but. 190 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 4: Was playing it there off his computer. 191 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: But uh, I don't know. 192 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 5: We have we did have the Patty smythe song. 193 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 3: I played that, but yes, by scandal in this system 194 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 3: off the button bar. Yeah, yeah, so our I just 195 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: want to I just want to lay this out here 196 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 3: because we get on SAM a lot for this. Do 197 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: you think that I Heart Media, with thousands of radio 198 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 3: stations across this country and including Top forty programs of Casey, 199 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: CASEM and other that are run through this building, would 200 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: have that song mislabeled? No, No, it's impossible. So whatever, Sam, 201 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 3: whatever you played from your button bar, which is a 202 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 3: radio term that nobody realizes that means. But that's how 203 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 3: he would bring up the song and play it. There's 204 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: no way that's wrong in the system. 205 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 4: And I think that the YouTuber the YouTube post that 206 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 4: we just played, I think may have been like a 207 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 4: Doug Gottlieb disciple because. 208 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: Disciple on YouTube they missed mislabeled. 209 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 4: They mislabeled at Pat bennettar because if you look for 210 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 4: the actual song I Am the Warrior about Pat Benatar 211 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 4: doesn't exist. I think the people confuse it. Our listener 212 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 4: who tweeted you is wrong. I think you were wrong, 213 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 4: and then I was wrong for playing a YouTube song 214 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 4: that was mislabeled Pat Benatar. 215 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: So there is no Pat Benatar song called the Warrior. 216 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not finding one in our system. It doesn't 217 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 5: have every big hit by Pat Benatar in here, but 218 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 5: it has most of them, and I do not see 219 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 5: anything about the Warrior, So I think it is Patty's miife. 220 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 4: We have settled this. 221 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: I believe, I believe I am wrong. Yeah, I think 222 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm I'm wrong. Okay, here's the question, Dan, we don't 223 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: know the answer to this. How does it end between 224 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: Lebron and the Lakers. 225 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: Well, I thought he was going to play out while 226 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 3: all the other teams throughout the season, he would be 227 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 3: a free agent next year and allow that frenzy to occur. 228 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 3: Then he would sign on for two years with that team, 229 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: a one on one deal, and then that next year 230 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: would be his final year. That's how I think it 231 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 3: ends up ending. The only thing that has moved me 232 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 3: off of that being one hundred percent to about ninety 233 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 3: eight percent is all of this Cleveland crap that's going on. 234 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: And by crap, I'm not blaming Cleveland, but I'm learning 235 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 3: to golf. I'm wearing you know, the hats, the whole 236 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 3: deal that we've talked about for the last week, all 237 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 3: of that stuff said it last Sunday, like that stuff. 238 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: Like now it's like Lebron is on overdrive. He tweeted 239 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 3: more since he announced that he was opting into his 240 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 3: contract than he did the entire month of June over 241 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 3: those five days. 242 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so Jay stew again, I know you like I 243 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: want to get into sports. There's not a sports discussion. 244 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: This is a how does it play out discussion? What 245 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: do you think happens? 246 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 4: It just seems to me that they're gonna find a 247 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 4: way to move him before the trade deadline. 248 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: I wonder if they get to the trade deadline. Okay, 249 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: here's a telltale sign of how bad it is. Is 250 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: Bronny with the big club to start the year next year? 251 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: Is he with the big club? And does he play 252 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: as well? Like if he plays early on they're trying 253 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: to pacify him, they have him around in the regular season, 254 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: then I don't. But if they're like, you know, he's 255 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: gonna do mostly G League this year, Keep developing, keep developing, Gookie, 256 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: keep developing, then I then Yeah, I think it could 257 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: be done earlier rather than later. And then the question 258 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: is if somebody's gonna pick him up next year, are 259 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: they gonna make him back draft Brice? 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Mark Stein joins 269 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: us on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. 270 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: What was your takeaway from last night's MAVs Lakers Summer 271 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: League debut of Cooper Flag and Ronnie James two point zero? 272 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: Honestly, you're talking so much tennis thought to my first love. 273 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: I thought, I thought I finally found a gig talk 274 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: in tennis. But I'm guessing you probably want me to 275 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: stick to who so I will. Are you? 276 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: Are you joining us from a drive through? That's what 277 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: it does, sound like a drive through. Take some large 278 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: fries again something with the audio. It's not it's your 279 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: cell phone. We could do tennis just that right now, 280 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: we don't have to look. 281 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: It was a circus as you would imagine. That's what 282 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: you expect. I mean, some believe he has become such 283 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: a bonanza onto itself. I think Flag pressed a little bit. 284 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: I think he forced some stuff. I thought, you know, 285 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: it was very physical in the first half. But look, 286 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: Jason Kidd announced to the world at the end of June, 287 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: the day that Cooper Flagg arrived in Dallas, Jason Kidd 288 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: announced to the world, We're gonna put the ball in 289 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: his hands. We're gonna let him run point and the 290 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: Lakers were ready for it. They put him under a 291 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: lot of pressure. I mean, he wasn't exclusively running things. 292 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: Obviously Nepard was on the ball quite a bit as well. 293 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: But Jason Kidd said, they were going to put Cooper 294 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: Flag in some uncomfortable situations, and he got a taste of, 295 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: you know, a higher level of defense than he's ever seen. 296 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: But he also made the right play a lot and 297 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: he just look, you know, I do not I am 298 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 2: not a college basketball connoisseur like you. Unless it involved 299 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 2: Charles State Tillerton. I do not have a ton of 300 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: experience watching Cooper Flag. Just seeing him and just how 301 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: how huge he actually is at his position is quite remarkable. 302 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 2: I mean, he just he just is. He's a monster wing. 303 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: And you know, that was just the first taste. I'm 304 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: sure he's going to be much better tomorrow afternoon. 305 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: It's interesting. I watched, uh, I watched the game, and 306 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: I thought that Brownie looked improved and more confident. But 307 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: you and I have been watching some league. I got 308 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: a Chisel play in some league, and usually guys that 309 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: are back that play in the NBA, there's just an 310 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: ease by which they sort of dominate, and that was missing. 311 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: Is that fair? 312 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: He started out the game that way. Obviously he wasn't 313 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: able to sustain it. But I just think, you know, 314 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: the expectation level that he faces. And look, I mean, 315 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: he signed up for this. You you know, nobody is 316 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: going to you know, I think express a huge amount 317 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: of sympathy. This is this is you know what this 318 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 2: is what he signed up for. And uh, you know, 319 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: if you're going to play on the big stage, you're 320 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: going to be analyzed in that manner. But you know, Honestly, 321 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: my focus was really more Flag and then a net 322 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: Part I thought was just sensational to step into the 323 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: you know, the Map obviously won the lottery, which they 324 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: had a tortured history in the lottery, but for Netpart 325 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: to go undrafted and make it all the way to 326 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: them and the kind of performance that he put on, 327 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: I know they're super they're super encouraged and grateful that 328 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: he was able to fly to them and they were 329 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 2: able to get him. 330 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Schwartz Radio. The great 331 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: thing about Vegas is it's basically the convention for the NBA. 332 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: Right agents are there, foreign teams are there, current players? 333 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: Are there? Lots of chatter there. What's the chatter in Vegas? Mark? 334 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: In regards to how this ends between the Lakers and Lebron. 335 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: I think I think teams around the league look at 336 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: it pretty realistically because they understand that because Lebron is 337 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: at sixty three million, it's just too hard to trade 338 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: him football. He also has no trade clause, one of 339 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: only two full no trade clauses in the league, so 340 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: it's like to come up with a trade, you have 341 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 2: to send him to a team he would be willing 342 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: to go to that shortens the list dramatically, and you're 343 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 2: just you're not going to be able to assemble a 344 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 2: trade that gets the fifty three million without at least 345 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: one contract that the Lakers are not going to want 346 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: any part of. So I just don't think a trade 347 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: is realistic, and there's no incentive for the Lakers to 348 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: just buy him out and let him go. I mean, yes, 349 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: you could make the argument it's Lebron James, one of 350 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 2: the all time greatest players in league history, and he 351 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: should have the right to go out on his own 352 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: terms because it's Lebron James. But you know, I don't 353 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: know that the Lakers are obligated to just say, you 354 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: know what, we're going to buy you out so you 355 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 2: can just go find with whoever you want to if. 356 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: If Lebron want is that that range of options. He 357 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 2: could have just declined his fifty three million for this 358 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: year and gone to free agency and picked his team. 359 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: But once he opted in and activated his player option 360 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: for this coming season, he kind of gave up that right. 361 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: So I think the likelihood is he's gonna be a Laker. 362 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't see why the Lakers would say, 363 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: you know what, we're going to buy you out, go 364 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 2: join the team of your choice. That it's not on 365 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: the Lakers. I don't think to do that. 366 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: What would lead them to not communicate with them in 367 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: regards to, for example, the sale of the team. 368 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 2: I think from the moment they made the trade, this 369 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: became Luca Donte's teams. So until this point, for all 370 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: of Lebron's time in Los Angeles and again and if 371 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: he does play next season as a Laker, that'll be 372 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: eight seasons in a row as a Laker, his long 373 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: dist continuous runs with one team. But you know, once 374 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: they made the trade, Luca became the team's vocal point. 375 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: So I don't it clear. It's clear they did not 376 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: feel obligated that they needed to share that with him, 377 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: because clearly their intention was they knew Lebron was going 378 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 2: to opt in. 379 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: But to the. 380 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: Lakers, this is the last year of the arrangement, and 381 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: you know, if Lebron has an issue with that, his 382 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: right as well. But if they owe him a heads 383 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: up on this, I guess it's debatable. 384 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: Uh, it looks and feels like Giannis is staying in Milwaukee. 385 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: Kevin durant Is in Houston. Who's left of a big 386 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: name that you believe will be moved in this offseason. 387 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: Look, I think the honest I can tell you when 388 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 2: you asked me, what are people chattering about in Vegas? 389 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm trying to I literally just got out 390 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: of jumped out of maneuver, got to my next spot. 391 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: I'm trying to find it quietly, having having issues pulling 392 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 2: that off. Jonas's answer to the question are you are 393 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 2: you staying in Milwaukee? Was you know, probably yes? Probably 394 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 2: so that that answer was open ended enough to get 395 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: everyone in Vegas talking about that, and just how firm 396 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 2: is probable? You know, probably is not as firm I'm 397 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: sure as the Bucks were hoping. So he's not going 398 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: anywhere until he goes to the Bucks and says I 399 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 2: want to be traded. Unless Yiannis takes that step, the 400 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: Bucks are not going to trade him. But the answer 401 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 2: he gave on that stream, I can tell you more 402 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: than a team or two out here in the desert 403 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 2: feels like the door was cracked a jar and anew 404 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: So I think, honestly, I think teams are more curious 405 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: about Yanni's the future than Lebron's at this point, and 406 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 2: also just the sheer reality of it. We don't know 407 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 2: how many more years Lebron has left. He could easily 408 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: play more than one if he wants to on pure 409 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: talent and ability. But you're not going to give up 410 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: a ton of your future assets to get someone who 411 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: might only play a year or two more. Whereas Yiannis 412 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: obviously any team that could get him from Milwaukee if 413 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 2: it ever came to pass that he tries to force 414 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: his way out of the Bucks. You're suddenly looking at 415 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: a new franchise player, a new face of your franchise. 416 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: So it's it's really the honest thing that people are 417 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: are diving into right now. 418 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: I would say, Mark Stein kind of have to join 419 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: us in between things in Vegas. Check out the steinline. 420 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: It's an outstanding substack. Mark you the best, Thanks for 421 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: joining us. 422 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 2: Bye, We're so rush today. I'll do better next time. 423 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: Now We're good, dude, You're good. Great, great insight, great information. 424 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: Couldn't ask for a better guess. For over forty years, 425 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: Tirek has been helping customers find the right tires route 426 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: what more they drive, should pass them free back by 427 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: free Broadest protection with convenient insulation options like mobile tire installation, tireq, 428 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: dot Comswait tire buying should be buyer. What's your level 429 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: of confidence that Giannis returns to your Bucks next season? 430 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 3: Fairly high. I feel that he will be back. That 431 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 3: comment helped. Also, everything just taking place as it already did. 432 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 3: There were some at the beginning of this saga felt 433 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 3: that Jannis was going to be the first Domino and 434 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 3: then Kevin Durant would follow because the teams that were 435 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 3: interested in Durant obviously would also be interested in Janis 436 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 3: and maybe prefer Jianis over Durant. And so when Durant 437 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 3: was traded, I thought that that was quite the signal. 438 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: And it just doesn't seem to be any traction. I 439 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 3: think I said to you this weeks ago, I have 440 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 3: yet to see a trade proposal put by anybody that 441 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 3: knows the NBA and loves this stuff that would satisfy 442 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 3: both parties, and I just just haven't seen it. And 443 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 3: all of them are like, the Bucks would say no. 444 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 3: The Bucks would say no, The Bucks would say no. 445 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 3: He's a difficult asset to trade, and so that's why 446 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 3: I think he ends up staying Okay. 447 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: I saw this, and I thought it was really interesting. 448 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: Let's start to college football Big Twelve media days. They 449 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: had their media days this week in at the Star 450 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: in I think it's in Arlington where the Cowboys headquarters are. 451 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: My gun. He's head coach of Oklahoma State. He's the 452 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: longest tenured head coach in the Big Twelve. He's one 453 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: of the longest tenure head coaches in all the college 454 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: football now, and he said this to Andy Staples. In 455 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: regards to Nil. 456 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 7: I almost was just I thought this will go away. 457 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: Surely this can't last. 458 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 7: And then it just kept building momentum. And then after 459 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 7: a point about eighteen months ago, I said, this is 460 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 7: not going away. We're gonna have to make some real 461 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 7: adjustments here. So the truth be known. This portal class 462 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 7: from January is the first class that we ever bought. 463 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: We had not bought portal goods. Wow, that hurt us. 464 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 7: Hurt us the last year or so from a depth standpoint. 465 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 7: And then that was nobody's fault. That's not the administration's fault, 466 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 7: not the donors. That was really kind of my fault 467 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 7: because what I had done was taken money that had 468 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 7: been raised through donations and spreaded amongst the troops somewhat 469 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 7: evenly to the current players. We didn't go out and 470 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 7: solicit for players and pay them to come to our team. 471 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 7: We did that starting in December, which I think we. 472 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: All would agree. If you don't do that, you're not 473 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: going to survive. It's look, it's really really interesting. And 474 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 1: obviously my level of college basketball is lower than his 475 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: level of college football. Right He's at the power for 476 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: highest level, and now they're buying guys. I just good, Look, 477 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: this is going to be an interesting year for a 478 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: place like oklen State, place like ours, you know, anywhere 479 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: in between, because for a lot of us, this is 480 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: year one of this new and different world, you know, 481 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: and it's no different if this is like free agency. 482 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: The free agency hit hit rate in the National Football League. Okay, 483 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: so you think, hey, they got the best scout, they 484 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: have NFL tape. These aren't college players emerging to being 485 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: NFL players. An NFL free agent is from an NFL 486 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: team from one team to the next. The hit rate 487 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: is threty three percent. So now imagine you're in college 488 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: football and this is the first time that you're paying guys, 489 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: you're bringing them over you're trying to do your research. 490 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: You're trying to know what you're getting. Are they hurt? 491 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: You know, what's their issue? Why do they want to leave? 492 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: Is it money? How much money do we pay this guy? 493 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: It's a little bit of liar's poker because they're always 494 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: telling you, hey, look he's worth this much, and really 495 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: it's usually about half that much. But you don't want 496 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: to lose him, and you don't want to lose them 497 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: to somebody in your league. And hey, coach k State's interested, 498 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: to hey, coach Texas Tech's interested, whatever. And again you're 499 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: at OKLHOA State. You don't have more money than Texas Tech. 500 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: You don't have more money than somebody's other programs. But again, 501 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: if they hit rate in the NFL, and we would 502 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: all agree that or believe that the NFL is probably 503 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: scouted better, especially the NFL to NFL because you're not 504 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: changing levels, you're not going from low major to mid 505 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: major D two to D one, that it's got the 506 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: best scouts in the world, especially in the NFL, not 507 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: just college, because they miss a lot in college. Hit 508 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: rate thirty three percent, I would guess that's at the 509 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: high bar for what people will do in terms of 510 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: getting their money's worth in the portal this year, Daniel 511 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: had looked like you wanted to get on this. 512 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 3: Well, I just I found that the Gundhy comments were 513 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 3: so interesting just because of the season that Oklahoma State 514 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: had last year, when the year priorly they were a 515 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 3: ten win team and I think played in the Big 516 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 3: Twelve title game. At least they were second in the conference, 517 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 3: and then to not win a conference game the next year, 518 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 3: and then to hear Gundhy say that, I don't know 519 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 3: if that was the only problem, but Olli Gordon was 520 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 3: back last year. I remember Jason and I when we 521 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 3: were looking at tickets, says you were about to coach 522 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 3: your first game. We're like, all right, do the Cowboys 523 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 3: play Arizona State. We thought Oklahoma State was the the 524 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: team to watch that day as we were getting you know, 525 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 3: planning for it at the start of the season, and 526 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 3: they go zero to nine in league play. And there's 527 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 3: probably other factors, but that revelation right there, I think 528 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: says a lot to what you've said as well of 529 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 3: just where the money is. So if they weren't even 530 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 3: playing the game of nil, that could be reflected in 531 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,479 Speaker 3: their one nine conference record. 532 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's they did. He's he's being clever 533 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: with it, right, make no mistake about it. Oli Gordon 534 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: was paid a handsome sum of money to come back. 535 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: And what they did for Lineman was they they kept 536 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: they had a bunch of six year seniors, and they 537 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: they gambled on hey, retention and having guys that have 538 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: cohesiveness and play together and want to be here that 539 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: will be better than the free agents. And then they 540 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: just weren't good enough, right, there was a reason. There's 541 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: a reason that they're available. 542 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 3: Well, I would say, then he did a great job 543 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 3: because I was fooled, you know, like to your words 544 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: of like to your well. 545 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: He's not he's not lying, but he's also it's it's 546 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: like a politician, right, he's he's well, I just thought 547 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: this was gonna go away like you did. 548 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 3: Come on, dude, and it's I don't want to say 549 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 3: that it's easy to take an O on to nine 550 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 3: conference schedule, but if you put it in the new landscape, 551 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: you could be like, oh okay, I see and it 552 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 3: could buy you a little more time. 553 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, it's the Doug Gotlieb Show. 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Factor fiction Right on next. 561 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 6: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 562 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 6: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on 563 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 6: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 564 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: The inability for people to actually listen and we can 565 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: play for you this sound if you'd like. Some guy 566 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: named Scott listened to our show. He's a Fresno State fan, 567 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: a Raiders fan, and a Lakers fan that tracks in 568 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: the five to five nine. Anyway, I said, Doug, comparing 569 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: Brownie or any athlete for that matter, to a make 570 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: a Wish kid is so very unacceptable. You could have 571 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: said some low level D three player, You're better than that. 572 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: Do better. This is what really upsets me when somebody 573 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: quotes me on Twitter to the exact opposite thing that 574 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: I said. Sam If you'd like to pull the tape, 575 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: you can. We don't need to, I believe, I said, 576 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: And you guys, we have three other audio witnesses in 577 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: Dan Bayer and Jason Stewart in Iowa. Sam I said, 578 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: it's not like he's a make a Wish kid that 579 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: they plucked out of the stands. Skid player. Just doesn't 580 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: look like an NBA player where after a year in 581 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: the league, you're of service in the league. He dominates 582 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: a game, which did I say buyer? 583 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you said the latter. 584 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, let's get to the press, the press, what 585 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: do you got there that? 586 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 3: Did you call Ronnie make a Witch? Like a year 587 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 3: ago when he was getting drafted. Could that have been 588 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 3: so because he didn't seem like I don't want to 589 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 3: say that he earned his spot as you know what 590 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 3: you said that he's not one of the four hundred 591 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 3: and fifty best players in the world that would make 592 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,479 Speaker 3: an NBA roster. Correct, But there was the when he 593 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 3: was drafted or brought in it did feel like. 594 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: It was Yeah, they could they treated him like he's 595 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: won Sure treated black one. 596 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 3: How about this story from twenty years ago. It was 597 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: the story that former Steelers director of Player Personnel Doug 598 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 3: Whaley was able to tell on ninety three point seven 599 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 3: The Fan in Pittsburgh that when Aaron Rodgers was falling 600 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 3: in the NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steeler had a decision 601 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 3: to make. It was twenty twenty five, one less than 602 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 3: a year after Ben Roethlisberger was named Offensive Player of 603 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 3: the Year and leading the Steelers to the AFC Championship Game. 604 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 3: But Wayley said that they had Aaron Rodgers higher on 605 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 3: their draft board and they were sitting there at number thirty, 606 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 3: and if the Packers didn't pick him at number twenty four, 607 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 3: they would have had a decision to make at thirty. 608 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 3: Do you buy that? 609 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: Sure? Sure, I buy it. I believe it to be 610 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: true that it was a surprise to everybody. If you 611 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: remember that draft, he was sitting there alone, correct, in 612 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,439 Speaker 1: the draft room. 613 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 3: Right, But the Steelers are coming off of a season 614 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 3: when they went fifteen to one with your rookie quarterback 615 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 3: who was just the offensive player of the year. 616 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: No noly Again though, they had like sitting there going 617 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: like what do we do we have this guy? Do 618 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 1: I think that means they would have taken him? I don't, 619 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: But been a hard decision to pass the guy that 620 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: they had rated that hardly would have. 621 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 3: I don't I think this is revisionist history, No doubt. 622 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: It's revisious history. I don't think they're gonna draft him. 623 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: But if the statement is, hey, it was kind of hard, 624 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: Like we're like, oh my god, it's Aaron Rodgers is 625 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: going to be there, Like, did you guys check him out? 626 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,919 Speaker 1: Did wed? Did somebody go evaluate him? We never thought 627 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: we'd be in the Aaron Rodgers sweepstakes, and like here 628 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: he could be in. The Packers took him. 629 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 3: It just it seems like something that they'll go to 630 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 3: Melissa's Stark down on the sidelines of their Steelers game 631 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 3: and say, like, the Steelers they had an interest twenty 632 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 3: years ago, but of course they had a guy by 633 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 3: the name of Ben Roethlisberger. Back up to you, Mike, 634 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 3: that's what it reads. Am I right? Jason gave me 635 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 3: a look, Am I right? 636 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? Bet it feels Listen, it does feel like revisionist history, 637 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: but there's always a little bit of truth to the 638 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: revision's history. Where he was sitting there and like, wait, 639 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: what what do we what do we do here? 640 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 3: How about this one? 641 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 2: Guys? 642 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 3: Julio Rodriguez the Mariners not playing in the All Star 643 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 3: Game because he wants to rest, saying he wants to 644 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 3: be there for his team in the second half of 645 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 3: the year, so he's not going to Atlanta. He was 646 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 3: a reserve outfielder for the American League. 647 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm glad he's really taxing. I gotta get on that plane. 648 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: I gotta fly to the All Star Game. They're gonna 649 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: do a little BP and I gotta sign autographs. Are 650 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: they gonna wait? Are they gonna play for two innings? 651 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: Maybe take a couple of swings and I get back 652 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: on a plane. Go on in my family? 653 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 4: So which of the snubs is gonna take his place? 654 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 4: A big snub list from Monday? Which is gonna We 655 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 4: already got a couple of fill ins. U Ryan and 656 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 4: his family really want that to happen. 657 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Chill Ryan of the Twins was a snub. 658 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 4: Uh. 659 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 3: Carlos Rodin has been named a replacement for his teammate 660 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 3: Max Freed mikel Garcia. The Royals added replacing Brandon Lau 661 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 3: of the Tampa Bay Rays, so those are coming in. 662 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 3: And the Chicago Bear give Jim Ryan Poles an extension 663 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 3: through the twenty twenty nine season. 664 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: Did not know that Ryan Poles got extended? Huh Yes, 665 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean they did improve when they made a big 666 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: trade last year defensively, but new coach, new staff, new 667 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 1: offensive game plan. Bears are all in on Ryan Poles 668 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: and Caleb Williams. We shall see Bay get out there 669 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 1: and press. 670 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 6: That was the press. 671 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: It is The Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Tradio. Have 672 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 1: a great weekend. Download the podcast. This is Fox Sports Radio.