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Speaker 1: Heads Up.

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Speaker 2: This series contains graphic descriptions of violence. On the morning

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Speaker 2: of August first, two thousand, a teacher preparing for the

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Speaker 2: first day of classes noticed something on the ground near

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Speaker 2: the flower beds behind the Mayfield Middle School.

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Speaker 3: I saw this sandal laying right by the.

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Speaker 4: Door.

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Speaker 3: There's a little concrete pad there, and I saw the

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Speaker 3: sandal laying there, and I just thought, you know, I

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Speaker 3: wonder what that sandal's doing there.

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Speaker 2: As her sight shifted away from the sandal, scanning the

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Speaker 2: school grounds, the teacher saw something else.

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Speaker 3: And when I looked over to the left is when

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Speaker 3: I saw the body.

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of bodies found in Mayfield, Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: No, when you heard there was on, what were you thinking, Oh.

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Speaker 5: Our man was racing. But you know, when you've never

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Speaker 5: had nothing like this happen before, it kind of gives

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Speaker 5: you a little, you know, a little thought that, no,

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Speaker 5: it's not happening to me.

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Speaker 1: This is Joe Curran.

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Speaker 2: For two days before Jessica's body was found, he and

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Speaker 2: his wife, Jean had been searching for their eighteen year

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Speaker 2: old daughter. The next day, police identified the body with

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Speaker 2: the help of dental records, and Joe and Jan it

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Speaker 2: was Jessica. They recognized the jewelry on their daughter's hands.

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Speaker 6: It's the loneliest crime saying. They're saying, I've saying a lot.

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Speaker 1: You met Dara, a woman on the last episode.

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Speaker 7: Like me.

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Speaker 2: Darah has poured over pictures and video of the crime scene.

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Speaker 8: She just looked as if she had been tossed out

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Speaker 8: the back her. She was, you know, all the jewelryes

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Speaker 8: still honor and it was everything that she had that

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Speaker 8: she felt. It was a value she had on her still.

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Speaker 8: But she was all by herself. It was just long life.

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Speaker 2: According to police, Jessica's murder was the first in Mayfield

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Speaker 2: in over a year and a half. They told the

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Speaker 2: press that the school grounds appeared to be the scene

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Speaker 2: and then a homicide.

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Speaker 5: We're getting the information that she was beaten, strangled, staled

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Speaker 5: and burned. I don't know how I could get much worse,

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Speaker 5: and then her body was dumped behind the middle school.

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Speaker 2: I first met Joe Curran in twenty twenty three. He

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Speaker 2: was born in Graves County in nineteen fifty seven, just

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Speaker 2: a year after Mayfield started to desegregate its public schools.

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Speaker 5: I'm kind of a country boy, and I went to

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Speaker 5: some few schools out in the county and they didn't

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Speaker 1: You were the only black kid.

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Speaker 9: Yes, What was that like?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it's kind of like most of my life.

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Speaker 2: Joe was among that first generation of black children to

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Speaker 2: study in what had been white only schools in a

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Speaker 2: of the last census.

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Speaker 1: This is the world Joe grew up in.

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Speaker 5: You know, I ride horses and go to rodeos and stuff,

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Speaker 5: and a lot of places that I gold basketball games

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Speaker 5: A lot of times I'm only a back person there.

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Speaker 5: I go to a lot of farmers meetings, three hundred people.

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Speaker 5: I may be the only black person in the room.

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Speaker 5: So I mean, it don't mean anything to me.

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Speaker 2: And Joe learned to thrive in this world. He played

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Speaker 2: worked as a bailiff, and ran his own business.

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Speaker 5: I'm a fish farmer, so I'm eate fish.

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Speaker 1: Pond, what kind of fish?

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Speaker 2: He became a lieutenant in the fire department and went

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Speaker 2: so when his daughter was brutally killed, Joe thought Mayfield

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Speaker 2: would do right by him. Instead, local police bungled the

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Speaker 2: case and it went unsolved for years. This is Graves County,

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Speaker 2: Chapter two, Jessica. Depending on who you ask, there are

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Speaker 2: dozens of versions of what happened to Jessica between the

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Speaker 2: times she was reportedly last seen and the time her

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Speaker 2: body was found. You already heard one version last episode,

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Speaker 2: but that's different from the story about the final days

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Speaker 2: of Jessica Current's life that were first put on the record.

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Speaker 2: This is according to my team's own reporting, court testimony,

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Speaker 2: police interviews, and private investigator interviews, which you'll be hearing

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Speaker 2: throughout this episode, all of which have been edited for

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Speaker 1: In July of.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand, Zica had a seven month old baby named Zion.

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Speaker 2: She was close with her family, shared a room at

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Speaker 5: The first whole week she stayed at home. In the

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Speaker 5: second week, she moved out on Thursday. She went to

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Speaker 2: That Saturday morning, Jessica dropped off Zion with her parents

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Speaker 2: and she went to hang out with some girlfriends, including

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Speaker 2: her boyfriend's cousin, Venesha's s Doublefield you heard her name

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Speaker 2: last episode. Venetia and Jessica had become friends earlier that year.

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Speaker 11: Me and Jessa just started really actually hanging out.

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Speaker 12: In two thousand, she was going to a dark Lunner

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Speaker 13: When she was pregnant. She went to the GD school.

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Speaker 1: They crossed paths after class.

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Speaker 13: Well, she was coming from GD school when I was

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Speaker 2: Venetia, a wiry girl with giant eyes, was among the

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Speaker 1: She was sixteen at the time.

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Speaker 2: According to Venetia, she Jessica and a few other girls

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Speaker 2: hung out at a friend's house playing cards and having drinks.

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Speaker 1: That night, we all.

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Speaker 11: Sat third play chors, listen to music. We had a

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, in another part of town, there was a party

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Speaker 2: on a street called Chris Drive. It's about a ten

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Speaker 2: handful of locals and twenty four year old Quincy Cross.

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Speaker 2: Quincy lived in Tennessee, but a friend had convinced him

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Speaker 13: He was like, come on, man, if you go, we'll

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Speaker 2: Some partygoers say Quincy stood out that night, not just

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Speaker 1: He kept wanting to play.

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Speaker 2: Drinking games and was fidgeting with his braided belt.

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Speaker 8: He had aided bell at home, and he was swinging

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Speaker 14: Because while he was talking to us in living room,

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Speaker 14: he was flickering the end of it, kind of flicking

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Speaker 15: It stuck out in my mind because he had taken

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Speaker 15: And I think at some point Ashley and I both

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, back at the other gathering, the low key one

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Speaker 2: with the girls playing cards, Jessica decided to call it

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Speaker 2: so Jessica had to go back to her apartment on foot.

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Speaker 2: Venetia walked Jessica outside to say goodbye.

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Speaker 11: We stood there wait talk for a brief minute, then

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Speaker 2: Venisia says she told Jessica to take care and watched

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Speaker 1: So this was the night that we think everything happened.

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Speaker 1: She leaves there and it starts.

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Speaker 6: She's walking somewhere along here.

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Speaker 2: I charted that walk with Joe Curran and a private investigator.

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Speaker 2: It would have been at least a forty minute journey

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Speaker 6: But that'd be a long walk for her at that

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Speaker 14: Not that she wasn't capable of doing it, but I

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Speaker 13: That would be.

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Speaker 2: The middle school is halfway to Jessica's place, and it

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Speaker 6: This town pretty much dies at dark.

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Speaker 2: Back at the party on Chris Drive, Quincy asked to

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Speaker 1: He says he wanted to go find food.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, man, I'm hungry. Now, I'm like, man, how

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Speaker 4: So he pointed in a direction.

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Speaker 13: I asked him, let me use his car.

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Speaker 2: But some of the other partygoers remember it differently.

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Speaker 14: He was on the phone quite frequently that night and

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Speaker 14: was calling back to Union City in different places, saying,

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Speaker 1: He recalls Quincy saying he wanted to get.

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Speaker 14: Some bitches, sorry, get some bitches.

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Speaker 2: So he borrowed the car and drove off. But remember

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Speaker 2: it's two thousand. He'd been partying. We didn't have Google

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Speaker 2: Maps or anything like that back then, so Quincy says

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Speaker 6: I can end up making a big loop, a big

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Speaker 2: It stalled about two miles from Chris Drive. That's when

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Speaker 2: a local jailer saw Quincy pulled over and asked if

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Speaker 6: I popped his trunk and gas.

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Speaker 13: Can you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2: It's in this trunk, sold the jailer watched him put

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Speaker 13: He's standing right beside me, so he see me trump

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Speaker 13: a couple of trumps, and gas on my parents laid

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Speaker 2: There's no disputing that the jailer found Quincy putting gas

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Speaker 2: in a car, but there doesn't seem to be a

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Speaker 2: consensus as to where exactly the gas can came from.

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Speaker 1: Here's the car's owner at trial.

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Speaker 14: No, sir, I didn't have a gas came my car.

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Speaker 14: Did mister crosstay where he got that?

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Speaker 10: Guess?

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Speaker 14: He said he stole it from a building or something

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Speaker 14: somewhere around the road. He got a gas in my

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Speaker 14: car or try to get the gas.

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Speaker 13: Station, probably.

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Speaker 1: Either way.

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Speaker 2: Around seven fifty am, a state trooper driving by noticed

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Speaker 2: Quincy right away.

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Speaker 11: He had no shirt on. He could see multiple tattoos.

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Speaker 11: He had a pair of dark pants on with no belt.

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Speaker 1: Quincy quibbles with some of those details.

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Speaker 13: I had a key shirt on, he kept saying, I

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Speaker 13: didn't have no key shirt on.

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Speaker 2: But the trooper says he specifically noticed Quincy didn't have

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Speaker 15: The pants were drooping.

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Speaker 11: I could see his box or shorts. He kept having

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Speaker 2: The state trooper gave Quincy a ride back to Chris Drive,

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Speaker 2: and when the trooper went to retrieve the stalled car,

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Speaker 2: Later that Sunday morning, Jessica's parents, Joe and Jean, went

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Speaker 5: Well, being working at the fire department in the Shar's department,

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Speaker 2: Sunday went by, then Monday, and still no sign of

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Speaker 2: She'd been burned, part of her dress charred onto her body.

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Speaker 2: More after the break, for a brief moment in time,

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Speaker 2: Joe Curran had everything he wanted. He and his wife Jean,

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Speaker 5: And I wanted boy first, the girl second, and that's

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Speaker 1: All their names start with Jay. Is Jessica the youngest, No,

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Speaker 2: Joe Curran is the kind of man who looks like

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Speaker 5: And that's a picture of her, her older brother.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting with Joe going through old family photographs.

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Speaker 5: This is a picture of my wife and she's holding her.

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Speaker 2: There a tiny Jessica in a frilly white dress and

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Speaker 2: She looks like Joe, a spitting image of her dad.

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Speaker 2: She usually wore her hair in a cute short bob.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she was about five nine fifteen.

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Speaker 1: She's like a little string being here. Tall and skinny. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: She ran track and she was a solid nineties teen

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Speaker 5: She was the only one that would watch the X

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Speaker 5: with it. My wife gets lost on it and she can't.

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Speaker 5: She can't keep she don't have the patience.

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Speaker 2: So Joe's wife, Jean isn't sitting with us.

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Speaker 6: I have apologize for my wife.

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Speaker 5: She's still pretty shook up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask you about that, so

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Speaker 1: you know why.

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Speaker 2: While she's talked to Press in the past, Jeane just

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Speaker 2: isn't up for it today. I can't say I blame her.

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Speaker 2: After years of telling strangers about your dead child, what

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Speaker 2: else is there to say except I'm in pain and

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Speaker 2: I miss her.

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Speaker 5: I mean she still goes to the down to the

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Speaker 5: I mean they were close. They were close friends. I

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Speaker 5: you know, two sisters. And it really really hurt her.

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Speaker 2: After two years of reporting on this case, I can

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Speaker 16: Jessica cut a boy one time for calling her the inWORD.

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Speaker 16: She pulled out a blight and cutting.

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Speaker 2: This is an old police interview of Jessica's best friend

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Speaker 2: seeing Jessica once pulled a knife on a boy for

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Speaker 16: If she had a problem, I mean she would I mean,

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Speaker 2: Jessica Lindsay met Jessica Curran at Graves County High I.

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Speaker 16: Was considered her one of my best friends. She was

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Speaker 16: and she didn't allow that. If she's saying it going on,

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Speaker 16: she would put a stop to it.

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Speaker 13: So, I mean she was just.

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Speaker 16: Very you know, very kind girl, very very kind girl.

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Speaker 16: She would pretty much do anything for anybody.

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Speaker 2: And she was also a teenager who in the summer

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Speaker 1: She had her baby in.

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Speaker 2: December nineteen ninety nine, a little boy named Zion, and

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Speaker 2: Jessica thought that baby's dad was a boy named Marcus.

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Speaker 16: She used to snake out her bedroom window.

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Speaker 4: To I say him.

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Speaker 1: But after Zion was born, Jessica got the news.

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Speaker 16: She was trying to get child sport ordered for Marcus

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Speaker 16: back negative or however they come back it wasn't him.

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Speaker 2: It hit her heart, especially when she realized that if

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Speaker 2: Marcus wasn't the dad, then it had to be a

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Speaker 2: local drug dealer named Jeremy Adams, a guy she barely

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Speaker 16: We all went back to my house and we smoked

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Speaker 16: or whatever. And that night he kind of forcedly took

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Speaker 16: It was like two seconds they were around there and

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Speaker 2: That was that.

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Speaker 1: A baby came nine months later.

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Speaker 16: She was very upset when she found out it wasn't Mark.

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Speaker 16: So she was very upset. This is after Zion was born.

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Speaker 16: She stopped messing with Marcus and she started messing.

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Speaker 2: With Lolo Carlos, Lolo Saxton, Venetia Stubblefield's cousin, and another

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Speaker 2: local drug dealer, a dreamy one at that a year

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Speaker 16: I mean, she liked she really liked him.

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Speaker 2: It was panning out to be a good summer for

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Speaker 2: months that followed his daughter's killing, Joe walked around in

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Speaker 2: a daze, in a nightmare. He remembers sitting at a restaurant.

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Speaker 5: I was sitting at the table by myself, and this

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Speaker 5: you lost the last person in the aura. It looked

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Speaker 5: like you y'all lost your best friend. She didn't know,

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Speaker 5: She had no clue. She apologized later because she found

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Speaker 5: she apologized later. She said, I had no clue that

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Speaker 5: on my face. Me sating there by myself, just show.

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Speaker 2: One of the few comforts the Kerran family had was

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Speaker 2: believing that soon, eventually they'd find whoever did this to Jessica,

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Speaker 2: and they'd be able to ask how and why and

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Speaker 2: hopefully get some sense of justice. The man put in

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Speaker 2: charge of Jessica Kerr's murder investigation was Tim Fortner, a

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Speaker 2: patrolman who had just been promoted to detective. This was

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Speaker 2: and court filings, Fortner and his small town police department

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Speaker 1: The problem seemed to have started from the get go.

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Speaker 8: Here's Dara again, okay, So it took forever for them

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Speaker 8: to rope off the crime scene, right.

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Speaker 2: They didn't log who came and went or properly canvassed

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Speaker 6: No statements were taken at the scene.

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Speaker 2: They also threw away the maggots they found on Jessica's body.

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Speaker 2: Maggots could have helped determine how long her body had

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Speaker 2: been decomposing. Without them, it was hard for the medical

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Speaker 8: In supplemental reports that I've read by the police, they're like,

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Speaker 6: What about the seven up bottle?

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Speaker 2: They threw away part of Jessica's dress and a couple

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Speaker 2: rape swabs from other crime scenes were mixed in with

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Speaker 6: So no one is in charge. It's the blind leading

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Speaker 2: I found Fortner's number and called him to ask about

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, I'm looking for mister Tim Fortner.

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Speaker 2: I interrupted his evening at home. Hi, mister Fortner, my

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Speaker 2: name is Maggie Freeling.

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Speaker 6: How are you. I'm well, how are you?

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Speaker 2: He still lives in Kentucky as far as I can tell.

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Speaker 2: His last gig in law enforcement was as a school

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Speaker 2: resource officer in another county, and he hosts a show

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Speaker 2: on the side for WKMS, the local public radio station.

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Speaker 2: I am a journalist and I am reporting on the

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Speaker 2: Jessica CRN case and going through the documents. You were

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Speaker 2: the first responding officer, So I was hoping you'd want

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I was, but I'm in the middle of dinner

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Speaker 10: and I don't have to do.

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Speaker 6: You know, there's nothing to comment on. Okay, cool? Appreciated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm actually in town.

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Speaker 6: Could I meet you tomorrow? Perhaps?

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Speaker 1: Well probably not, probably not as in no, and so it's.

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Speaker 6: You know, do you can contact? This take place? Okay?

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Speaker 1: And I should do appreciate your calling me a very

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Speaker 1: polite no. You all right? You two buye.

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Speaker 2: But Fortner has spoken to the press before, and he's

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Speaker 2: admitted that he wasn't the man for the job. In

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Speaker 2: that quote, I didn't have a clue what to do next.

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Speaker 2: He said, I didn't know how to organize a crime

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Speaker 2: scene or look for forensic evidence. Frankly, I was scared stiff.

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Speaker 2: He even admitted this to the Currents.

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Speaker 5: Told us me and my wife did he had no

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Speaker 2: He tells this to you, The lead detective on your

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Speaker 2: I'm doing.

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Speaker 5: He said, I don't know what I'm doing. That's his words.

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Speaker 2: On top of that, the Mayfield Police Department was dealing

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Speaker 2: The chief and assistant chief were ousted and eventually played

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Speaker 2: guilty to felony charges for misusing public funds, including money

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Speaker 2: that police had confiscated from drug arrests. Mayfield Police Department

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Speaker 2: was a mess. Fortner and his team had chased some leads,

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Speaker 2: interviewed many people, and pinpointed a few suspects, but it

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Speaker 2: all fell apart the rookie detective's first big case of failure.

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Speaker 2: In two thousand and three, Fortner quit and the Kentucky

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Speaker 2: State Police had to step in to take over the case.

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Speaker 2: The state police pursued some lines of investigation, but didn't

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Speaker 2: Joe had to fight to keep his daughter's case top

447
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Speaker 2: of mind.

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Speaker 5: We've had protests at the courthouse several times. We've had

449
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Speaker 5: one at Mitch McConnell's office, the leading senator from Kentucky

450
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Speaker 5: in Paducah.

451
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Speaker 2: Even Reverend in Dell Sharpton's National Action Network got involved.

452
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Speaker 5: We went to Frankfurt, to the Attorney General's office, we

453
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 5: went to the FBI office, the YUS Attorney's office. We

454
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 5: didn't out all of that stuff.

455
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Speaker 2: But what Joe didn't know at first was that another

456
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: person was also growing increasingly frustrated by law enforcement failures

457
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: and decided to stop watching from the sidelines. Susan Golbreth,

458
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: the citizen sleuth who you met last episode, embarked on

459
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 2: a whole investigation of her own, and now she started

460
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: digging into the files.

461
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Speaker 1: A name stood.

462
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: Out, Quincy last I relyed.

463
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Speaker 7: Across after the break.

464
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Speaker 2: Susan said she'd felt a connection to Jessica Curran since

465
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Speaker 2: the day her body was found, and she went to

466
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Speaker 2: look at the crime scene that she was called by

467
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Speaker 2: a divine power to help find her killer, but as

468
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Speaker 2: far as I can tell, she didn't actually act on

469
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Speaker 2: that calling until four years after the murder, when Susan

470
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: began talking to the Kentucky State Police and getting updates

471
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Speaker 2: on the case. Yeah, it's the same, and started both

472
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: prying on and cooperating with the investigation.

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Speaker 6: Hi, how are you. I'm fine. I'm surprised I had

474
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Speaker 6: heard from you.

475
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Speaker 17: Well, I've been off I hadn't been working any of

476
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Speaker 17: this week.

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Speaker 2: In reviewing her correspondence, taper, courtings, and court testimony, I

478
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: found that at times the detectives kept Susan at arm's length,

479
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: but they often entertained her ideas and followed up on

480
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Speaker 2: her tips.

481
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Speaker 17: But the Lieutenant Cannon called and said he spoke with

482
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Speaker 17: you and said that she had some new information or

483
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Speaker 17: something that you wanted to know.

484
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 6: It was the same information.

485
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: And this emboldened Susan to start conducting a parallel investigation,

486
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Speaker 2: even though, as she testified in court, she had no experience.

487
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 6: Education in the area of all.

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Speaker 11: No, there's a lot of court TV.

489
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: It was also around this time that Susan started working

490
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Speaker 2: with British journalist Tom Mangold who flew to Mayfield in

491
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: the spring of two thousand and four.

492
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Speaker 18: So he was in Mayfield for ten days when he left.

493
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Speaker 18: I continue to dig.

494
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: Susan kept digging through police records that Tom helped get

495
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: a interviewing people. She even started wearing a wire.

496
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Speaker 18: I kept a recorder pinned to my body or duct

497
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 18: taped at all.

498
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Speaker 1: Times, all with a main suspect in mind.

499
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Speaker 11: Quincy became the top of the list.

500
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Speaker 2: Susan had seen Jessica's autopsy, pictures from the scene of

501
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 2: the crime and the police reports from the weekend she

502
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: was last seen alive, and there she noticed that a

503
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: man named Quincy Cross.

504
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: Had come to town.

505
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: Witnesses heard him asking about finding girls, and he had

506
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Speaker 2: been arrested smelling of gas with his belt missing.

507
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Speaker 1: So she connected the dots.

508
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 11: I just know he killed her.

509
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Speaker 2: In an email to Tom, Susan wrote that from the

510
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: beginning she knew who the suspects were and her job

511
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: was proving it, and Tom helped her publicize her main

512
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: suspects name, starting with his first article in the summer

513
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: of two thousand and four and subsequent reports through the years.

514
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Speaker 2: Here's Tom and Susan in a BBC broadcast.

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Speaker 10: So here was a man shortly after the murder of

516
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 10: Jessica cahnen. His black braided belt is missing because it's

517
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 10: round the throat of the dead girl. Correct, and he

518
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 10: stinks of gas.

519
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 12: Yes, everything just started coming together. It was like a

520
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 12: deca card just fallen. I really really got emotional because

521
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 12: I finally started feeling that there's going to be an.

522
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 6: End to this.

523
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: Now. Not only did Tom introduce Quincy Cross as his

524
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: main suspect in his articles, but as far as I

525
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: can tell, he was the first reporter to really hint

526
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: at the idea that there was a sexual element to

527
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: the crime against Jessica. Up until then, every time law

528
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: enforcement talked about Jessica's case to the press, they did

529
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: not mention rape or sexual assault. But Tom took those

530
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Speaker 2: descriptions of Quincy at the party as one and wanting

531
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: girls and wrote the Quincy's demeanor quote suggested a sexual

532
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: predator on cocaine end quote. Years later, he would go

533
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: even further, saying that early on in his reporting, he

534
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: and Susan knew something more nefarious had occurred.

535
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 19: We were pretty certain by now that Quincy Cross, together

536
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 19: with other accomplices, had murdered Jessica in a sex and

537
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 19: drugs frenzy.

538
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: In his digging, Tom also found that a small souvenir

539
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: bat had allegedly gone missing from the car. Quincy had

540
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: borrowed a bat that, according to Tom, could have been

541
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: used to bludgeon Jessica since no other weapon had been found.

542
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: Tom and Susan shared all their findings and theories with

543
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: the police, but they were both disappointed to learn it

544
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: was not enough to make an arrest.

545
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 19: The Kentucky State Police were no closer to arresting the

546
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 19: perpetrators than their hapless predecessors, the Mayfield Police.

547
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: But Susan did not give up.

548
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: Instead, she continued to pursue another one of the suspects

549
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: on her list, Vnesha's Stubblefield, the last known person to

550
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: see Jessica current alive. Susan already knew Venesiha from around town.

551
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: Remember Mayfield is small.

552
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 18: I want to say the first time I met her

553
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 18: she was thirteen years old.

554
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: But her interactions with Venesiha increased when she started investigating

555
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: the case.

556
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 11: After two thousand and four is when I talked to her.

557
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 6: A whole lot more.

558
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: In their first investigation, Mayfield Police suspected that Venesha knew something,

559
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: but they never really got anywhere with her.

560
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: Then came Susan.

561
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: She became convinced that Venetia had to know who killed Jessica.

562
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: The police let her off too easily.

563
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: In their recorded conversations, you mostly hear Susan talking trying

564
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: to convince Vanicia to come clean.

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00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 4: The reason is that no one has pushed you or

566
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 4: any further on this for these four years is because

567
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 4: no one's really listened to you talk. Well, at the

568
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 4: time I've seen you, I listened to you talk.

569
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Speaker 13: I listened.

570
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 4: No one's done that to this point.

571
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 6: Wait.

572
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 16: Wait, that's what I'm saying.

573
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 4: I listened to you. And when I listen to you,

574
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 4: I hear what you're selling to me. I hasn't anyone

575
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 4: has any four years.

576
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: In Susan's mind, if Venicia knew the killer and the

577
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: killer was Quincy, then she had to get Phoenicia to

578
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: write him out. Susan also tells Vanisha that if she confesses,

579
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Speaker 2: she'll help broker a deal with police.

580
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 4: And honestly, when we were in the car today, I

581
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 4: just felt that you were going to tell me this.

582
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 4: I really did, and I kept thinking Okay, I could

583
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 4: go to Mills and I could say, look, she is

584
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 4: willing to talk. You've got to guarantee your fafety and

585
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 4: guarantee her no jail time.

586
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: But still Vanicia doesn't deviate from the original story she

587
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: told police, the one about the SMA all party playing

588
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: cards and saying goodbye to Jessica.

589
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: Around one or two am.

590
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: And she doesn't even admit to knowing Quincy.

591
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 6: I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

592
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 16: We know, we know what.

593
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 4: I don't get killer quick for that.

594
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 11: That's what I'm trying to all right.

595
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: I got here, so Susan tried another angle. If Nishe

596
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna crack, then Susan would have to get the

597
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: suspected killer to confess. She would have to talk to

598
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: Quincy Cross herself. And it turns out Susan knew one

599
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: of Quincy's cousins from around town.

600
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Speaker 18: I would go to her house and work on her

601
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 18: computer in the meantime, always talk to her about Quincy.

602
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 18: Just try to, you know, get anything I could out

603
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 18: of her.

604
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: And she used her to set up a meeting with

605
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: Quincy under the pretense that she was a researcher for

606
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: Tom May which I was.

607
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 11: I did help to research for him.

608
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 18: So after he went back to London, I just kept

609
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 18: up the spiel anybody.

610
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: She even told her she could help Quincy.

611
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 11: I told her that I was good. I was there

612
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 11: that to try to clear his.

613
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: Name, and Susan told the Kentucky State Police about her

614
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: planned sting operation.

615
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 18: I called Kentucky State Police and invited them to help

616
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 18: me on that.

617
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: The police did indeed help her.

618
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: They gave her a cell phone to record and a

619
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Speaker 2: few officers to wait outside of the house for protection.

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Speaker 11: Was all set up very professionally.

621
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Speaker 18: You know, we had code words I had if I

622
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 18: needed any assistance from them, I had my code rounds

623
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 18: were I wish my big brother was here and they

624
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 18: would be come right into the residents.

625
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: Quincy did not know he was being recorded. I don't

626
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: have the recording. I asked law enforcement for it and

627
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 2: they said they can't find it. But according to Susan's

628
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: court testimony, a transcript, and a police report, these are

629
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Speaker 2: some of the things. Quincy allegedly says that he was

630
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: wearing a sweatsuit that night, yes, that.

631
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Speaker 11: He didn't have a belt, and that he was wearing

632
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 11: a jogging outfit.

633
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: But then he says they kept his belt at the

634
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: jail when he was arrested. Then, according to Susan, Quincy

635
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: says that as soon as they smelled gas on him,

636
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 2: he knew police would blame him for what had happened,

637
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: and Susan perked up at this Was this a confession?

638
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: A slip?

639
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: How did he know that night that a girl had

640
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: been burned unless he was there? Tom Mingled also thought

641
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: she'd struck gold.

642
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 19: She didn't get a full confession, but she got an

643
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 19: interview which contained self incriminating remarks. She'd made more progress

644
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 19: in a day than the police agencies have made him

645
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 19: five years.

646
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: But still no arrests.

647
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: Another failed plan in Susan's citizen investigation, and another year

648
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: with no major inroads by the Kentucky State Police until

649
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: the Kentucky Attorney General stepped in a year later in

650
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, with a new set of agents

651
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: and brand new set of ears for Susan Galbreath. Around

652
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: this time, Susan was pursuing what would be her final scheme.

653
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: With a little help from the Internet. She set up

654
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: a MySpace account.

655
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 18: It's titled Murdered Jessica Currin at MySpace.

656
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 2: This was pre Facebook being widely available, and Susan used

657
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: the page to track down anyone from Mayfield and add

658
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: them as a friend. That's how she first made contact

659
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: with Victoria Caldwell, the state's main witness you heard from

660
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: last episode, the one who eventually confessed to being an

661
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: accomplice to the crime. The first message between them that

662
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: we have a record of is from January two thousand

663
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: and seven. Here's Victoria reading that message for Tom's piece

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Speaker 2: on the BBC.

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Speaker 9: In Juary twenty four, two thousand and seven. I don't

666
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 9: want anyone to find me. I am afraid for my life.

667
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 9: I'm sorry about what happened. I will help the police

668
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 9: as much as I can, but I really don't know

669
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 9: who to trust. I am afraid someone might kill me

670
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 9: if I testify to things about this.

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Speaker 2: Victoria was living in California at the time, far away

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Speaker 2: from Mayfield, apparently in hiding, and Victoria turned out to be.

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Speaker 1: Susan's missing puzzle piece.

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Speaker 2: She would not only point the finger at Quincy, but

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Speaker 2: at many others, including her own family, and her story

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Speaker 2: would find a captive audience in the investigators from the

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Speaker 2: Attorney General's Office Sometime after Tom Mangold published his first

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Speaker 2: peak on Jessica's killing, her father Joe Curran told a

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Speaker 2: local TV news station that he thought maybe this was it.

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Speaker 2: Finally they were getting closer to solving his daughter's murder,

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Speaker 2: thanks in part to a journalist from England.

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Speaker 17: This gentleman had come over here and investigated about a

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Speaker 17: week or ten days on this case. He had found

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Speaker 17: several pieces of information that hadn't been discovered and hadn't

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Speaker 17: been checked out when to make the police had the case.

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Speaker 2: All the information Tom and Susan uncovered was stuff the

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Speaker 2: original investigators with the Mayfield Police Department had, but according

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Speaker 2: to Susan, the police had missed it, either on purpose

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Speaker 2: or because of ineptitude. Tom and Susan took a few threads,

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Speaker 2: a belt, a gas can, a missing miniature bat, and

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Speaker 2: they used them to weave together a story, one that

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Speaker 2: was incomplete and till Victoria showed up. And all I

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Speaker 2: have right now is Quincy's account saying he was just

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Speaker 2: at a party that day, took a drive, got lost,

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Speaker 2: and then the car ran out of gas and he

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Speaker 2: got arrested. But the problem with people's stories is they

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Speaker 2: can be inconsistent. So I call my producer Rebecca to

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Speaker 2: discuss a few things that are nagging at me.

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Speaker 6: Hello Maggie. Hello.

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Speaker 2: So, first, Quincy told me he left the party to

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Speaker 2: go find something to eat, but none of the other

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Speaker 2: party goers seem to have ever supported that claim. And

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Speaker 2: one of the also only consistent things is that the

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Speaker 2: entire night Quincy is saying I'm going to find goals.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to find goals and he took the car

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Speaker 2: to go find one of his girls. That has been

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Speaker 2: consistent from the beginning, which is also kind of sketch

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Speaker 2: because it's like, he again told me he went to

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Speaker 2: get food.

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Speaker 8: I think either Quincy is misremembering, or he was like, well,

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Speaker 8: I was also hungry, or he's like, no, that makes

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Speaker 8: me sound creepy and bad.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think he thinks it makes me sound back.

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Speaker 20: And again, that's just really sketchy. That a girl goes missing,

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Speaker 20: you're driving around like, I get it, I get why

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Speaker 20: they're onto him.

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Speaker 1: Second, the infamous belt.

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Speaker 2: According to police records, Quincy wasn't arrested wearing a belt,

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Speaker 2: but then he also says the police kept his belt.

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Speaker 2: He also told Dara this, By the way, Dara's like, no,

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Speaker 2: the police kept his belt once he was arrested, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, what belts?

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Speaker 1: What are we even talking about right now? Lastly, the gas.

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Speaker 2: We know Quincy smelled like gas and the jailer saw

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Speaker 2: Quincy spilled gas on himself, but I haven't been able

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Speaker 2: to corroborate where the gas came from or what exactly

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Speaker 2: he was doing in the time he left the party

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Speaker 2: and his car stalled, Like.

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Speaker 1: This is where the breakdown all happens.

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Speaker 2: So this is where I'm like, this is this is

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Speaker 2: where Quincy gets pinged because of the belt and the gas,

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Speaker 2: and like, what is the truth?

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Speaker 6: Do you think Quincy Cross killed Jessica Current? No, I

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Speaker 6: don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 7: On the next episode and I told Joe Current that day,

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Speaker 7: I said, if I'm elected, I will be my best

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Speaker 7: to solve that case.

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Speaker 10: We're here to product an interview with Tambra Calwell, you

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Speaker 10: presently located in the conference room of the Druid Sweets.

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Speaker 8: It brought down the defenses of the people they were

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Speaker 8: interviewing because you're in a hotel, you're not in a

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Speaker 8: police station.

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Speaker 6: Everyone felt like, what the fuck's happening, but.

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Speaker 13: Just to sit there and to see the kangaroo cord

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Speaker 13: that they've done. They would not even let us sit

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Speaker 13: through picking the jeer that kicked us out of the

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Speaker 13: court room.

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Speaker 2: and produced by me Maggie Freeling and senior producer Rebecca Ibarra.

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Speaker 1: And we know there's a lot of names for you

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