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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey Daron, Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: It's the latest episode of the Book of Joe Podcast

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Speaker 3: with me, Tom Producci and of course Joe.

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Speaker 2: Madden and Joe.

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Speaker 3: Both of us are old enough to remember when the

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Speaker 3: Yankees played the Dodgers back in the late seventies into

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty one. But if you're under the age of

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Speaker 3: forty three, this World series is something that you've never seen,

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Speaker 3: and you probably might not know. You are in for

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Speaker 3: a real treat. How about Yankees Dodgers again in the

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Speaker 3: World Series.

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Speaker 4: Joe, no question, you go back to the you know,

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Speaker 4: reggis monumental performance with the home runs on three consecutive pitches,

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Speaker 4: to the feistiness of the whole thing. It was always

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Speaker 4: a feisty thing, even going back to the Brooklyn days.

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Speaker 4: Fortunate enough that I knew Buzzy Vesey. Of course, we

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Speaker 4: knew Don Zimmer, new Preston Govez, who knew Walter Alston.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you have all these six degrees of separation

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Speaker 4: connected somehow. Remember the black and white videos, Remember all

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Speaker 4: of that stuff. Man, That's the part that the really

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Speaker 4: romantic part of the game, that today's generation doesn't quite

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Speaker 4: get to understand is how we grew up and what

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Speaker 4: really attracted us. And it's still part of our fabric

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Speaker 4: and how we view it constantly. And that's why when

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Speaker 4: you get accused of being old whatever, just the fact

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Speaker 4: that it was spectacular. It was larger than life, the

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Speaker 4: players were the players were not human as far as

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Speaker 4: I concerned. They were not When you went to the

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Speaker 4: ballgame and you saw them out there, they still weren't human.

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Speaker 4: There was that component to it that will never be recaptured.

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Speaker 4: So when you get down to these two teams getting

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Speaker 4: after it right now and with the cast of characters

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Speaker 4: that they got, it's pretty special.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt.

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Speaker 3: And it's great for baseball if you're a fan, even

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Speaker 3: if you're not a Yankees fan or a Dodgers fan,

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Speaker 3: to see Shoe Otani and Aaron Judge get to the

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Speaker 3: World Series for the first time. You want to see

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Speaker 3: the best players on the biggest stage, and we've got

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Speaker 3: that in the series. We've got amazing venues Dodger Stadium

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Speaker 3: with these five o'clock starts specific time, it's just spectacular

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Speaker 3: to see the sunset behind the San Gabriels and just

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Speaker 3: the kind of tinge of sunlight at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day there. It doesn't really affect the play of

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Speaker 3: the game because the shadows are really not enforced at

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Speaker 3: that point, but just the beautiful setting everything about it.

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Speaker 2: It should be an epic series.

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Speaker 3: But Joe, let's talk about how these two teams got

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Speaker 3: here first, and then we'll talk about how we think

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Speaker 3: the series is going to go. I think about the

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Speaker 3: managing job that Dave Roberts did in this series. In

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Speaker 3: the NLCS, now you can tell me the Dodgers were

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Speaker 3: a better team than Mets.

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Speaker 2: Buy that.

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Speaker 3: But the Mets had a lot of momentum. They were

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Speaker 3: the hot team. I love the way they were playing baseball.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not that depth of bullpen, but everything else they

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Speaker 3: matched up well against. The Dodgers had to win a series,

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Speaker 3: and going back to actually an elimination game against the Padres,

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Speaker 3: three of his eight games were bullpen games, including clinchers,

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Speaker 3: and I look at the way he did that, where

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Speaker 2: Joe, it's hard to do.

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Speaker 3: You know that, because all it takes is one guy

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Speaker 3: happened in Game two when Andrew Knack went out there

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Speaker 3: that Dave Roberts did here, because he has not gotten

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Speaker 3: a lot of credit over the years with the record

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Speaker 3: that he has, which is amazing. I thought he pulled

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Speaker 3: They decided before the series they were not going to

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Speaker 2: I thought, managing job.

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Speaker 3: But Dave Roberts was as good of a series as

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was was really well done. And they knew

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Speaker 5: They did a great job.

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Speaker 4: He did a great job of prepping before the game,

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Speaker 4: because that's all that's all prep work. I mean, there's

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Speaker 5: Advance in order to have it slow down.

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Speaker 4: If you're just going to wait to react in the

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Speaker 4: something you have to do in advance, and it really

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Speaker 4: not that there's not always been, but Dave speaks really well,

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Speaker 4: he sees very good, he's eloquent. But also I thought

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Speaker 4: for him. Also, after all, he's the guy that stole

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Speaker 5: The position to win a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 4: So that's what really stood out to me was how

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Speaker 4: things don't go well. And so beyond everything else that

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Speaker 4: because it's not easy to find that many solvent relief

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Speaker 4: that's what really stands out to me, and that really

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Speaker 4: done that before. He wasn't going to let it get

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Speaker 4: positives you could say about that. But he did a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you think about it.

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Speaker 3: He was down a couple of those high leverage guys,

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Speaker 2: You're never out of it with that offense.

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Speaker 3: And there was a game where in Game five, where

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Speaker 3: and he still left Brent Honeywell out there, and I

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Speaker 2: It, but in the end it worked out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well you have to you consider this too. We

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Speaker 4: A lot of them were on fumes and we're okay,

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Speaker 4: but they turned that sucker up because that whole group,

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Speaker 4: So I think the offense really knew that they had

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great observation, Joe, because you know, in

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Speaker 3: probably wrongly, so we associate them with Hollywood, not you know,

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Speaker 3: in the last I want to say month and a half,

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Speaker 3: It was a player's only flight to New York, which

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Speaker 2: You knew that was going to come into play.

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Speaker 3: But I thought offensively, the way they played baseball up

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Speaker 3: World Series. Let's talk about how the Yankees got there, Joe, Listen.

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Speaker 3: I think the path opened up for them with Kansas

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Speaker 3: but the Yankees had the best record against the Central

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Speaker 2: Year, and that carried through the postseason.

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Speaker 3: But I gotta tell you the way that it ended

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Speaker 3: when I have been watching baseball, the worst pitch call

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Speaker 3: they are the strikes one one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Gaddis is throwing change.

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Speaker 3: Up sliders, change up sliders all down the zone, and

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking to myself, with each one, stay there, don't

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Speaker 2: Don't try to waste one.

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Speaker 3: Don't think you're going to fool him with all of

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Speaker 2: And what does he do.

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Speaker 3: He throws a high fastball to the best fastball hitter

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Speaker 3: right there with that swing. If your bow nailor, and

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Speaker 3: you saw him rise up, Joe, you cannot call for

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: We've seen it, do it against ver Lander in a postseason,

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Speaker 3: home runs and eight of them are on high fastballs.

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Speaker 2: How do you pitch to Otani?

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Speaker 3: of the Book of Joe podcast. Joven talking about matchups

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Speaker 3: That's a Dodger postseason record. Was in the middle of

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Speaker 3: In the postseason, he's zero for ten on anything that's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're gonna go up at all, it's got

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Speaker 5: Again, So if they either want to elevate, it's got

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Speaker 5: to be like a.

438
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Speaker 4: So high that you just really can't get to it

439
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Speaker 4: chase what he likes. So it's either low low, or

440
00:19:58,918 --> 00:20:01,638
Speaker 4: it's way above but elevated in and for show to

441
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Speaker 4: be really successful, I think in this series, if you

442
00:20:04,758 --> 00:20:06,518
Speaker 4: were to be if he shows patients coming out of

443
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Speaker 4: the shoot a little bit heads up.

444
00:20:08,278 --> 00:20:10,918
Speaker 3: Yeah, which always to me, And you know, as a manager, Joe,

445
00:20:10,918 --> 00:20:12,638
Speaker 3: when you go into a series where there's that one

446
00:20:12,678 --> 00:20:14,998
Speaker 3: guy you need to account for. The Mets, to me

447
00:20:15,198 --> 00:20:18,238
Speaker 3: did not have anyone who really matched up well against Shoe.

448
00:20:19,878 --> 00:20:22,718
Speaker 3: This Padres did with Tanner Scott. Now you look at

449
00:20:22,758 --> 00:20:26,318
Speaker 3: the Yankees and they expect that Nestor Cortez is going

450
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Speaker 3: to be back on the roster. He might be that guy. Now,

451
00:20:29,318 --> 00:20:31,838
Speaker 3: I don't know whether he replaces Tim Masa on the

452
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Speaker 3: roster or he adds a third left to that bullpen.

453
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Speaker 3: But you've got Tim Hill as well. But I think

454
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Speaker 3: I agree with you, Joe. You're talking about the slidering

455
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Speaker 3: him to death. Probably the sweeper of Cortes. I know,

456
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Speaker 3: Tani is where Aaron Boone wants to go.

457
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they have to be, of course they are.

458
00:20:50,558 --> 00:20:52,958
Speaker 4: They're they're analyzing all this. They've been they've been on

459
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Speaker 4: top of this for weeks, anticipating the Yankees being there

460
00:20:57,598 --> 00:21:00,838
Speaker 4: and for both sides, and they've they've anticipated the Dodgers

461
00:21:00,878 --> 00:21:03,318
Speaker 4: being there. So yeah, I mean it's at this point

462
00:21:03,398 --> 00:21:04,838
Speaker 4: here again it's you.

463
00:21:05,198 --> 00:21:05,998
Speaker 5: You can't get cute.

464
00:21:06,238 --> 00:21:08,238
Speaker 4: You got to go and believe whatever you believe in.

465
00:21:08,278 --> 00:21:10,118
Speaker 4: When you're looking at your pot, if you don't commit

466
00:21:10,158 --> 00:21:12,558
Speaker 4: to it, it ain't going in the hole. So whatever

467
00:21:12,598 --> 00:21:15,158
Speaker 4: you believe in, you got to commit to it. Now,

468
00:21:15,358 --> 00:21:16,718
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean you're not going to make a mistake,

469
00:21:16,718 --> 00:21:18,318
Speaker 4: of course you are. Of Course he's going to try

470
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Speaker 4: to do this and it's not going to happen. The

471
00:21:19,478 --> 00:21:21,838
Speaker 4: ball is going to go far, of course, But as

472
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Speaker 4: long as you have a committed plan that everybody buys

473
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Speaker 4: into and you believe this is accurate, stay with it,

474
00:21:28,358 --> 00:21:30,598
Speaker 4: go with it. It's not always going to be perfect. But

475
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Speaker 4: if your process, and I use the term process, is fearless.

476
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Speaker 4: If you really stay with this process, meaning that you're

477
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Speaker 4: not going to get caught up and results and outcome

478
00:21:39,878 --> 00:21:42,278
Speaker 4: all the time, and you're able to you're done better,

479
00:21:42,358 --> 00:21:45,438
Speaker 4: able to put fear in your back pocket, or you're

480
00:21:45,478 --> 00:21:47,638
Speaker 4: not concerned about making a mistake. You're just going to

481
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Speaker 4: go out there and do what you're capable of doing,

482
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Speaker 4: because that's where all your focus is lying. That's what

483
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Speaker 4: they have to be able to do in this situation.

484
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Speaker 3: I believe Aaron Judge had an amazing year at the

485
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Speaker 3: plate obviously, but especially for me Joe in terms of

486
00:22:01,598 --> 00:22:04,078
Speaker 3: his plate discipline career low. I think he was on

487
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Speaker 3: the eighteen percent chase rate. That's elite. You watch him

488
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Speaker 3: here in the postseason, he's way above that. I think

489
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Speaker 3: the last time I checked, he was around the twenty

490
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Speaker 3: seven percent chase rate. You know, what are a judge

491
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Speaker 3: if you can it's harder to do than plan for.

492
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Speaker 3: But if you can dot the ball down the way

493
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Speaker 3: in that box right hand corner there away from judge, you.

494
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Speaker 2: Got a chance.

495
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Speaker 3: Whether it's fastballs, especially sinkers, backdoor sinkers, or sliders, keep.

496
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Speaker 2: The ball there. You limit his damage.

497
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Speaker 3: But lately he's been chasing the ball under the zone,

498
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Speaker 3: which he normally doesn't and a little bit farther off.

499
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Speaker 3: He's the guy's hitting two three in his postseason career, Joe,

500
00:22:42,238 --> 00:22:44,518
Speaker 3: it's more than two hundred played appearances. Now he does

501
00:22:44,558 --> 00:22:46,798
Speaker 3: have some home runs. That's always the danger with judge.

502
00:22:46,918 --> 00:22:49,678
Speaker 3: When he's not going well, you make a mistake. It's

503
00:22:49,718 --> 00:22:52,438
Speaker 3: not a base hit, it's a home run. But tell

504
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Speaker 3: me what you see at a judge, And if you're

505
00:22:53,998 --> 00:22:56,878
Speaker 3: the Dodgers, how do you take advantage of a little

506
00:22:56,878 --> 00:22:58,718
Speaker 3: bit more aggressiveness you've seen from him?

507
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Speaker 4: That's his patience. I mean, you don't have to throw them.

508
00:23:01,478 --> 00:23:03,638
Speaker 4: Don't throw them strikes until you have to. Especially if

509
00:23:03,638 --> 00:23:06,318
Speaker 4: you said saf you get ahead, once you get ahead,

510
00:23:06,358 --> 00:23:09,198
Speaker 4: that I really would strike ball, strike ball, strike ball

511
00:23:09,238 --> 00:23:13,438
Speaker 4: as often as you can per pitch. And from Judge's perspective,

512
00:23:13,478 --> 00:23:14,838
Speaker 4: it's just got to be a more patient approach.

513
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Speaker 5: It's not unlike Show.

514
00:23:15,798 --> 00:23:18,318
Speaker 4: Hey, right now, as far as I'm watching, both of

515
00:23:18,318 --> 00:23:21,038
Speaker 4: them can maintain their patients and force pictures more over

516
00:23:21,078 --> 00:23:23,918
Speaker 4: the plate. It's hard because then you're al you're relying

517
00:23:23,918 --> 00:23:26,558
Speaker 4: on the guy coming up after you. But I mean,

518
00:23:26,598 --> 00:23:27,958
Speaker 4: if you're just going to be an out because if

519
00:23:27,958 --> 00:23:30,318
Speaker 4: you're not getting what you can absolutely handle and drive,

520
00:23:31,598 --> 00:23:33,798
Speaker 4: it's it's frustrating to the hitter, of course it is,

521
00:23:33,838 --> 00:23:36,278
Speaker 4: and that's what causes the expansion, but you're not.

522
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Speaker 5: Really helping your team.

523
00:23:37,038 --> 00:23:39,598
Speaker 4: Want to help your team, but you're not by saying,

524
00:23:39,598 --> 00:23:42,638
Speaker 4: I'm just going to expand my zone right here. So similarly,

525
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Speaker 4: I think both Show and Judge have to show patients

526
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Speaker 4: early in the series. They have to force pictures over

527
00:23:48,598 --> 00:23:50,558
Speaker 4: the play and mistakes are going to happen, and you

528
00:23:50,638 --> 00:23:52,758
Speaker 4: got to be ready for the mistake. You're down in

529
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Speaker 4: a way. It's got to be tough. He's tall, showy,

530
00:23:54,998 --> 00:23:55,918
Speaker 4: same thing, he's tall.

531
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Speaker 5: They like they they like the ball up in.

532
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Speaker 4: The zone even when they if he's noticed what especially

533
00:24:01,438 --> 00:24:04,438
Speaker 4: judge how he lays back and even show they're still

534
00:24:04,438 --> 00:24:07,278
Speaker 4: able to get to the elevated pitch. It's really uncanny

535
00:24:07,318 --> 00:24:10,078
Speaker 4: how they can do that. But they're tall people, so yes,

536
00:24:11,238 --> 00:24:13,238
Speaker 4: spend a lot of time, both of them. I would think,

537
00:24:14,238 --> 00:24:15,558
Speaker 4: you know, if you want to talk to anything about

538
00:24:15,718 --> 00:24:18,838
Speaker 4: with your hitting coaches, about really becoming more finite, my

539
00:24:18,878 --> 00:24:22,038
Speaker 4: strike zone, really becoming more selective, and you could actually

540
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Speaker 4: kind of like try to guess where they're going to

541
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Speaker 4: go and really hunt that area and discipline yourself to

542
00:24:27,758 --> 00:24:29,878
Speaker 4: the spot. You don't want strike ball, I got to

543
00:24:29,918 --> 00:24:32,078
Speaker 4: stay away from it. Ball strike you got to be

544
00:24:32,118 --> 00:24:34,158
Speaker 4: really ready for. And a lot of times the ball

545
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Speaker 4: strike is taken because the guy you think's going to

546
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Speaker 4: be inside where it's going to be high, and all

547
00:24:38,238 --> 00:24:40,038
Speaker 4: of a sudden it becomes a strike. These are the

548
00:24:40,078 --> 00:24:41,798
Speaker 4: kind of conversations I think I would have with these

549
00:24:41,798 --> 00:24:43,358
Speaker 4: guys under these circumstances.

550
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about this before too, Joe that watching

551
00:24:46,478 --> 00:24:49,198
Speaker 3: Kansas City and Cleveland pitch to the Yankee lineup. To me,

552
00:24:49,638 --> 00:24:52,358
Speaker 3: it was not good baseball because they were, I don't

553
00:24:52,358 --> 00:24:54,518
Speaker 3: want to say, afraid to throw the ball over the plate.

554
00:24:54,838 --> 00:24:56,838
Speaker 3: You know, got to get pictures more credit than that.

555
00:24:56,878 --> 00:25:00,038
Speaker 3: But they're trying to get the Yankees out out of

556
00:25:00,038 --> 00:25:03,118
Speaker 3: the strike zone and that just simply does not happen.

557
00:25:03,158 --> 00:25:04,638
Speaker 2: To get yourself into bad counts.

558
00:25:04,838 --> 00:25:07,478
Speaker 3: We're looking at the two best teams in baseball in

559
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Speaker 3: terms of strike zone discipline, the Dodgers and the Yankees.

560
00:25:11,038 --> 00:25:13,598
Speaker 3: I think the Dodgers know because they play very similar

561
00:25:13,598 --> 00:25:16,638
Speaker 3: type of offense themselves. You're not going to win this

562
00:25:16,758 --> 00:25:19,158
Speaker 3: game getting a ton of Chase swings or this series

563
00:25:19,198 --> 00:25:21,158
Speaker 3: on a ton of Chase swings from the New York Yankees.

564
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Speaker 3: At some point, you're going to have to control the

565
00:25:23,478 --> 00:25:25,558
Speaker 3: strike zone. And to me, and you made a good

566
00:25:25,558 --> 00:25:28,318
Speaker 3: point of this, Joe, it begins with getting strike one

567
00:25:28,758 --> 00:25:31,158
Speaker 3: and controlling the strike leverage. Then you can get outside

568
00:25:31,198 --> 00:25:32,558
Speaker 3: the strike zone. To me, that's going to be the

569
00:25:32,598 --> 00:25:36,998
Speaker 3: key to this series for both teams is early incounts.

570
00:25:37,038 --> 00:25:39,558
Speaker 3: Controlling those counts that can open up the strike zone,

571
00:25:39,598 --> 00:25:41,918
Speaker 3: because if you're not aggressive early accounts and try to

572
00:25:41,918 --> 00:25:42,758
Speaker 3: pitch from behind.

573
00:25:42,998 --> 00:25:44,558
Speaker 2: You're gonna get waffled.

574
00:25:44,278 --> 00:25:44,838
Speaker 5: Get killed.

575
00:25:44,998 --> 00:25:47,638
Speaker 4: That's al stuff from the early two thousands, middle like

576
00:25:47,678 --> 00:25:49,638
Speaker 4: two thousand and six, seven, eight ninety ten.

577
00:25:49,678 --> 00:25:50,678
Speaker 5: That's all it was about.

578
00:25:50,838 --> 00:25:52,678
Speaker 4: If you couldn't get those the Red Sox and the

579
00:25:52,718 --> 00:25:54,518
Speaker 4: Yankees out and in the strike zone, you can't.

580
00:25:54,318 --> 00:25:54,758
Speaker 5: You're done.

581
00:25:54,798 --> 00:25:57,038
Speaker 4: You're gonna get You're gonna get French fried every night.

582
00:25:57,438 --> 00:26:00,878
Speaker 4: And that's what you're seeing right here. Also, yeah, strike

583
00:26:00,918 --> 00:26:05,678
Speaker 4: one is important, so it's the ultimate count. Even on

584
00:26:05,678 --> 00:26:08,718
Speaker 4: one of the paintings I did with Michelangelo standing with

585
00:26:08,718 --> 00:26:11,398
Speaker 4: the David on the mount at Wrigley Field, you have

586
00:26:11,438 --> 00:26:14,518
Speaker 4: Michelangelo whispering in his ear about the importance of.

587
00:26:14,558 --> 00:26:15,558
Speaker 5: A one to one count.

588
00:26:15,678 --> 00:26:17,558
Speaker 4: When you flip that to one two, it's a completely

589
00:26:17,558 --> 00:26:20,358
Speaker 4: different world. When it slipped the two to one. Heads up, man,

590
00:26:20,558 --> 00:26:23,118
Speaker 4: bad things can happen to you. And this is it,

591
00:26:23,158 --> 00:26:26,718
Speaker 4: I mean, And you're right. It's not that guys are afraid,

592
00:26:26,718 --> 00:26:30,598
Speaker 4: but they become too fine. And once you do do that,

593
00:26:31,758 --> 00:26:33,718
Speaker 4: then you are playing into the hands of the group

594
00:26:33,758 --> 00:26:35,798
Speaker 4: that is very patient to play this.

595
00:26:35,958 --> 00:26:37,518
Speaker 5: Your stuff's absolutely oppressive.

596
00:26:37,678 --> 00:26:39,598
Speaker 4: The other point about that too, when you're able to

597
00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:42,598
Speaker 4: throw another pitch, and especially a change up when you

598
00:26:42,638 --> 00:26:45,278
Speaker 4: get behind an account strike like one O two oho

599
00:26:45,318 --> 00:26:46,238
Speaker 4: change up strike is.

600
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Speaker 5: Really a good pitch.

601
00:26:47,558 --> 00:26:49,438
Speaker 4: So if you look at the pitchers that are really

602
00:26:49,478 --> 00:26:52,558
Speaker 4: able to command a change up when they get behind,

603
00:26:52,958 --> 00:26:54,838
Speaker 4: and even to the point, like you know, when it's

604
00:26:55,198 --> 00:26:57,278
Speaker 4: deeper int account, if you could command a change up,

605
00:26:57,638 --> 00:27:02,638
Speaker 4: that could be very beneficial against teams like this. So yeah,

606
00:27:02,798 --> 00:27:05,598
Speaker 4: first pitch strike absolutely, really if you could control and

607
00:27:05,598 --> 00:27:07,758
Speaker 4: command the one one count bully for you. And I've

608
00:27:07,798 --> 00:27:10,198
Speaker 4: always liked the full count. I've always wanted to do

609
00:27:10,238 --> 00:27:12,798
Speaker 4: a study on whoever wins the battle of the full

610
00:27:12,838 --> 00:27:15,478
Speaker 4: counts on a nightly basis, wins the game, whether he

611
00:27:15,478 --> 00:27:17,038
Speaker 4: as a pitcher of the three twos or you as

612
00:27:17,038 --> 00:27:20,478
Speaker 4: a hitters as a hitter three twos, who controls and

613
00:27:20,518 --> 00:27:23,038
Speaker 4: commands a three to two count of always thought place

614
00:27:23,118 --> 00:27:24,358
Speaker 4: big in victory.

615
00:27:24,958 --> 00:27:25,158
Speaker 2: Yeah.

616
00:27:25,238 --> 00:27:28,318
Speaker 3: By the way, those full counts, that's considered a hitter's count.

617
00:27:28,678 --> 00:27:31,598
Speaker 3: You know, the average, especially on base percentage, way in

618
00:27:31,638 --> 00:27:32,918
Speaker 3: favor of the hitter at that point.

619
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Speaker 2: So if you're a pitcher and you can win full counts,

620
00:27:35,518 --> 00:27:36,118
Speaker 2: good on you.

621
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Speaker 3: One more guy that we have to talk about because

622
00:27:38,678 --> 00:27:41,358
Speaker 3: he has emerged as an absolute beast this postseason is

623
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Speaker 3: John Carlos Stent and the Dodgers are going to have

624
00:27:44,118 --> 00:27:46,198
Speaker 3: to account for this guy because he's a different player

625
00:27:46,238 --> 00:27:49,438
Speaker 3: in the postseason. He's not striking out, which is unbelievable.

626
00:27:49,438 --> 00:27:52,158
Speaker 3: I think he had a record streak, a personal record

627
00:27:52,158 --> 00:27:54,918
Speaker 3: streak by not striking out over the course of the

628
00:27:54,918 --> 00:27:58,958
Speaker 3: postseason year. And he's just hammering baseballs. We know he's

629
00:27:58,958 --> 00:28:03,918
Speaker 3: got tremendous power, but his swing seems to be in saying.

630
00:28:04,238 --> 00:28:06,958
Speaker 3: He's not chasing those sliders off the plate like we

631
00:28:06,998 --> 00:28:09,358
Speaker 3: see him do a lot of times. Tell me what

632
00:28:09,398 --> 00:28:11,678
Speaker 3: you see from John Carlo Stanton, Joe, because right now

633
00:28:11,878 --> 00:28:14,278
Speaker 3: I think the Dodgers have to be really, really concerned

634
00:28:14,278 --> 00:28:17,438
Speaker 3: about him. Cleveland got burned twice when they chose not

635
00:28:17,558 --> 00:28:20,318
Speaker 3: to walk him. They didn't buy into the fact that

636
00:28:20,358 --> 00:28:22,878
Speaker 3: he was this hot, and he burned them both times

637
00:28:22,878 --> 00:28:25,638
Speaker 3: with game breaking home runs. I'm not saying the Dodgers

638
00:28:25,678 --> 00:28:27,198
Speaker 3: are going to walk him, but they have to look

639
00:28:27,238 --> 00:28:30,278
Speaker 3: at John Carlo Stanton now as a red hot hitter

640
00:28:30,638 --> 00:28:32,798
Speaker 3: and not just the guy who's going to chase mistakes.

641
00:28:33,358 --> 00:28:35,318
Speaker 4: I think you're going to see the Dodgers come hard

642
00:28:35,358 --> 00:28:38,278
Speaker 4: in on him a little bit more often. What I'm

643
00:28:38,278 --> 00:28:40,598
Speaker 4: saying is that he's at the point now everything he's

644
00:28:40,638 --> 00:28:43,038
Speaker 4: looking at is out over, out over, whether it's a

645
00:28:43,078 --> 00:28:47,278
Speaker 4: fastball or breaking ball. Nobody wants to finish him inside.

646
00:28:47,278 --> 00:28:49,118
Speaker 4: I think you have to tie him up. You got

647
00:28:49,118 --> 00:28:50,598
Speaker 4: to speed him up a little bit to get back

648
00:28:50,638 --> 00:28:54,078
Speaker 4: to the to the breaking ball stripe. So that's curiously

649
00:28:54,118 --> 00:28:57,438
Speaker 4: what I would look for Initially from the Dodgers. You're

650
00:28:57,478 --> 00:28:59,878
Speaker 4: going to see more inside to the point they're not

651
00:28:59,918 --> 00:29:02,478
Speaker 4: going to be concerned about hitting him. Possibly you know,

652
00:29:02,598 --> 00:29:04,518
Speaker 4: not that you're throwing at people. But point is, you

653
00:29:04,638 --> 00:29:06,358
Speaker 4: just got to get in there to the point where

654
00:29:06,838 --> 00:29:08,718
Speaker 4: give him something to think about, so then you could

655
00:29:08,758 --> 00:29:11,358
Speaker 4: get the part of the plate back that you want,

656
00:29:11,758 --> 00:29:14,718
Speaker 4: because that at bat, that home running. The last summer,

657
00:29:14,798 --> 00:29:16,718
Speaker 4: the picture's name for the Cleveland Indians.

658
00:29:16,438 --> 00:29:18,958
Speaker 2: I camera oh by Tanner Biby byby yeah.

659
00:29:19,238 --> 00:29:20,758
Speaker 4: Slider, slider. I mean he threw a couple of good

660
00:29:20,798 --> 00:29:23,758
Speaker 4: ones down the way, down the way. They're actually balls, good,

661
00:29:23,838 --> 00:29:25,238
Speaker 4: good for you, They were good. And then all of

662
00:29:25,278 --> 00:29:27,758
Speaker 4: a sudden, when you keep when you keep throwing a

663
00:29:27,798 --> 00:29:30,278
Speaker 4: lot of sliders. I've always believe in breaking ball, you're

664
00:29:30,278 --> 00:29:33,838
Speaker 4: gonna hang one and he didn't miss it. So I

665
00:29:34,398 --> 00:29:36,678
Speaker 4: think that you're going to see more of an attempt

666
00:29:37,158 --> 00:29:40,358
Speaker 4: to set him up primarily hard in and I mean in,

667
00:29:41,118 --> 00:29:43,758
Speaker 4: and then get him to chase by opening that up,

668
00:29:43,998 --> 00:29:46,478
Speaker 4: by speedning his mind up looking at a hard d

669
00:29:46,918 --> 00:29:49,238
Speaker 4: and then you might be you might get the chase

670
00:29:49,278 --> 00:29:50,198
Speaker 4: back that you're looking for.

671
00:29:50,478 --> 00:29:52,758
Speaker 3: And by the way, you talk about someone who loves

672
00:29:52,838 --> 00:29:55,918
Speaker 3: hitting at Dodger Stadium, he has the second highest lucking

673
00:29:55,918 --> 00:29:58,798
Speaker 3: percentage in Dodger Stadium in the history. It's over seven hundred.

674
00:29:59,278 --> 00:30:03,358
Speaker 3: John Carlos Stanton grew up about sixteen miles from Dodger Stadium.

675
00:30:03,398 --> 00:30:05,278
Speaker 3: He went there often as a kid.

676
00:30:05,518 --> 00:30:06,358
Speaker 2: When he was ten.

677
00:30:06,238 --> 00:30:08,758
Speaker 3: Years old, he was out there shagging balls during VP,

678
00:30:09,038 --> 00:30:11,118
Speaker 3: and he said he was amazed at how the crowd

679
00:30:11,118 --> 00:30:13,518
Speaker 3: would ooh and add all these balls clanging off the

680
00:30:13,558 --> 00:30:14,398
Speaker 3: bleacher seats.

681
00:30:14,918 --> 00:30:16,358
Speaker 2: And he turned it. He said to his dad.

682
00:30:16,398 --> 00:30:19,038
Speaker 3: He's ten years old at the time, and he says, Dad,

683
00:30:19,078 --> 00:30:21,598
Speaker 3: someday I'm going to hit a ball completely out of

684
00:30:21,678 --> 00:30:25,678
Speaker 3: Dodger Stadium. And his dad says, yeah, right, sure, go ahead.

685
00:30:26,518 --> 00:30:28,718
Speaker 3: And then it was I think it was twenty fifteen

686
00:30:28,838 --> 00:30:31,838
Speaker 3: or so he actually did that hit the ball completely.

687
00:30:31,838 --> 00:30:33,998
Speaker 2: It was a fourth ball ever hit out of Dodger Stadium.

688
00:30:34,038 --> 00:30:36,318
Speaker 3: They played the All Star Game in Dodger Stadium a

689
00:30:36,318 --> 00:30:38,598
Speaker 3: couple of years ago. He hits one into those same

690
00:30:38,638 --> 00:30:40,558
Speaker 3: bleachers where he sat as a kid. He's the All

691
00:30:40,558 --> 00:30:44,638
Speaker 3: Star MVP. You don't think there's something really special going

692
00:30:44,678 --> 00:30:46,838
Speaker 3: through his veins when he steps into the box Game

693
00:30:46,918 --> 00:30:49,918
Speaker 3: one at Dodger Stadium. The local kid who's had such

694
00:30:49,958 --> 00:30:53,118
Speaker 3: a history here and the memories, Oh my goodness. I mean,

695
00:30:53,198 --> 00:30:55,598
Speaker 3: John le Carlos Stanton came in red hot anyway, but

696
00:30:56,198 --> 00:30:59,078
Speaker 3: in Dodger Stadium, it's a fairy tale come true in

697
00:30:59,158 --> 00:31:01,398
Speaker 3: La La Land for John Carlos Stanton.

698
00:31:02,078 --> 00:31:04,718
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a there's a big everything you're telling.

699
00:31:04,718 --> 00:31:05,838
Speaker 5: I didn't realize all of that.

700
00:31:05,878 --> 00:31:08,198
Speaker 4: I knew about the ball going out of the ballpark.

701
00:31:08,198 --> 00:31:10,518
Speaker 4: He didn't know about him and his dad. I didn't

702
00:31:10,518 --> 00:31:12,598
Speaker 4: realize was that close to Dodgers Day. And there's a lot.

703
00:31:12,718 --> 00:31:14,678
Speaker 4: There's a lot of emotion in there. There's no question,

704
00:31:14,998 --> 00:31:16,798
Speaker 4: and while there's emotion, there's also going to be a

705
00:31:16,838 --> 00:31:19,398
Speaker 4: calmness about him. I think if you think about where

706
00:31:19,438 --> 00:31:21,878
Speaker 4: you sat with your dad in a ballpark years ago,

707
00:31:23,358 --> 00:31:25,838
Speaker 4: you talk about the possibly the biggest warm fuzzy you

708
00:31:25,838 --> 00:31:28,118
Speaker 4: could conjure up. So it's got to put him in

709
00:31:28,198 --> 00:31:29,878
Speaker 4: kind of a rocking chair, I believe, and he's got

710
00:31:29,878 --> 00:31:32,158
Speaker 4: to believe that his dad is there all the time

711
00:31:32,198 --> 00:31:34,718
Speaker 4: with him, whether it's in the batter's boxer, sitting in

712
00:31:34,718 --> 00:31:38,478
Speaker 4: the stands. It's good, it's it's it's going to play

713
00:31:38,478 --> 00:31:41,518
Speaker 4: in his favor. There's no question. So regardless of okay,

714
00:31:41,558 --> 00:31:43,038
Speaker 4: regardless of what I just saidbout how they're going to

715
00:31:43,078 --> 00:31:44,398
Speaker 4: pitch him, but ball still going to go far to

716
00:31:44,478 --> 00:31:46,718
Speaker 4: left field when he played at Dodger State, and there's

717
00:31:46,758 --> 00:31:47,238
Speaker 4: no question.

718
00:31:47,838 --> 00:31:50,918
Speaker 3: And Joe, I know you love scouting stories, especially the

719
00:31:50,958 --> 00:31:54,078
Speaker 3: old guard John Carlos Stanton was a guy who's a

720
00:31:54,078 --> 00:31:57,358
Speaker 3: three sport player in high school and Pete Carroll wanted

721
00:31:57,438 --> 00:32:00,078
Speaker 3: him as a wide receiver at USC. He averaged twenty

722
00:32:00,118 --> 00:32:03,078
Speaker 3: one points of games scoring in basketball.

723
00:32:03,278 --> 00:32:04,758
Speaker 2: And junior year baseball.

724
00:32:04,838 --> 00:32:07,358
Speaker 3: Junior year at Notre Dame High and Sherman Oaks, he

725
00:32:07,518 --> 00:32:10,198
Speaker 3: hit basically two hundred hitting out of the seventh spot.

726
00:32:10,718 --> 00:32:12,678
Speaker 2: But he got invited to the Area.

727
00:32:12,478 --> 00:32:16,038
Speaker 3: Code Games the summer between junior and senior years and

728
00:32:16,158 --> 00:32:20,198
Speaker 3: during VP. One of your favorite places blair Field, John

729
00:32:20,278 --> 00:32:23,238
Speaker 3: Carlos Stanton hits it over the fifty foot tall palm

730
00:32:23,238 --> 00:32:26,518
Speaker 3: trees and left field, over an access road and onto

731
00:32:26,598 --> 00:32:29,718
Speaker 3: the adjacent golf course. Did that a few times, and

732
00:32:29,758 --> 00:32:31,558
Speaker 3: all of a sudden he gets on the radar of

733
00:32:31,758 --> 00:32:33,958
Speaker 3: MLB scouts. Now, he didn't do well in the games,

734
00:32:33,958 --> 00:32:35,918
Speaker 3: he struck out a ton, but that show he put

735
00:32:35,958 --> 00:32:39,358
Speaker 3: on in batting practice opened up a lot of eyes,

736
00:32:39,518 --> 00:32:43,198
Speaker 3: especially for the Marlins, who really liked him. But there's

737
00:32:43,198 --> 00:32:45,118
Speaker 3: another guy who really liked him, and that was the

738
00:32:45,158 --> 00:32:49,918
Speaker 3: old scout, George Genevies, and you know him from Giants

739
00:32:49,958 --> 00:32:54,678
Speaker 3: and the Dodgers, just a legend in southern California circles

740
00:32:54,678 --> 00:32:57,558
Speaker 3: in baseball, and George love Stanton. He brought him out

741
00:32:57,598 --> 00:33:00,118
Speaker 3: to Dodger Stadium, worked him out. He's banging balls off

742
00:33:00,158 --> 00:33:02,158
Speaker 3: the bleachers and he's down on the front office. We

743
00:33:02,198 --> 00:33:05,638
Speaker 3: need to sign this guy. This is you know, he's

744
00:33:05,638 --> 00:33:08,478
Speaker 3: got Dave Kyman kind of power. You know he's going

745
00:33:08,478 --> 00:33:11,278
Speaker 3: to be a great home run hitter. And you get

746
00:33:11,278 --> 00:33:14,358
Speaker 3: to the draft. The Marlins actually had the twelfth pick

747
00:33:14,398 --> 00:33:16,398
Speaker 3: of the draft, and they thought that's probably too soon

748
00:33:16,438 --> 00:33:18,118
Speaker 3: to take Stanton because a lot of people saw a

749
00:33:18,158 --> 00:33:20,478
Speaker 3: swing and miss. He's not gonna go that early. They

750
00:33:20,518 --> 00:33:23,358
Speaker 3: took a third baseman named Matt Dominguez. Didn't have much

751
00:33:23,398 --> 00:33:24,918
Speaker 3: of a major league career, but he did get to

752
00:33:24,918 --> 00:33:29,438
Speaker 3: the majors. The Dodgers then have two more picks before

753
00:33:30,118 --> 00:33:34,758
Speaker 3: the Marlins get to their second round pick, and Georgia's dismayed.

754
00:33:34,798 --> 00:33:37,758
Speaker 3: They passed on John Carlos Stanton. It took a couple

755
00:33:37,838 --> 00:33:40,358
Speaker 3: of pictures. One was a high school pitcher, Chris Witthrow.

756
00:33:41,078 --> 00:33:42,758
Speaker 3: He kicked around for a few years out of the

757
00:33:42,758 --> 00:33:44,958
Speaker 3: bullpen for the Dodgers. The other was a pitcher from

758
00:33:44,958 --> 00:33:48,238
Speaker 3: the University of Tennessee who never made the major leagues.

759
00:33:48,678 --> 00:33:52,798
Speaker 3: Stanton falls to the Marlins at number seventy six. And

760
00:33:53,478 --> 00:33:56,838
Speaker 3: you know the stories about John Carlo hitting home runs

761
00:33:56,878 --> 00:33:58,878
Speaker 3: at Dodger Stadium. There could have been a lot more

762
00:33:58,878 --> 00:34:01,598
Speaker 3: of them. If the Dodgers listened to an old scout

763
00:34:01,678 --> 00:34:03,158
Speaker 3: named George Genevies.

764
00:34:03,918 --> 00:34:07,598
Speaker 4: Talking about Wreck golf course recreation golf course in Long Beach.

765
00:34:07,598 --> 00:34:10,518
Speaker 4: It's right next to the Billy Jean King Tennis Center

766
00:34:10,638 --> 00:34:13,758
Speaker 4: beyond left field. That Blair You're right for those. If

767
00:34:13,758 --> 00:34:15,638
Speaker 4: you ever get to Long Beach, just drive on over

768
00:34:15,678 --> 00:34:17,478
Speaker 4: to blair Field. If you want to see the essence

769
00:34:17,478 --> 00:34:21,198
Speaker 4: of the minor leagues. It's Long Beach State's ballpark now,

770
00:34:21,238 --> 00:34:25,278
Speaker 4: but anytime I walked in there, it really reeks of

771
00:34:25,318 --> 00:34:28,158
Speaker 4: the coolest minor league ballparks I've ever played in. And

772
00:34:28,198 --> 00:34:30,318
Speaker 4: that's the spot that Kenny RIVISI used to take me

773
00:34:30,398 --> 00:34:34,838
Speaker 4: to before I would go to spring training to practice

774
00:34:34,878 --> 00:34:37,798
Speaker 4: my spring training speech that I'm going to give to

775
00:34:37,838 --> 00:34:42,398
Speaker 4: my guys on the Long Beach State dirt bag. God,

776
00:34:42,438 --> 00:34:45,998
Speaker 4: I love that place. George Genevies iconic. I mean I

777
00:34:46,478 --> 00:34:48,718
Speaker 4: knew him, of course with the Giants early on. I

778
00:34:48,798 --> 00:34:52,358
Speaker 4: love these guys. I mean, these old scouts. When they

779
00:34:52,398 --> 00:34:56,238
Speaker 4: saw something, they're demonstrative, and he had his comps and

780
00:34:56,278 --> 00:35:00,478
Speaker 4: he knew what he saw and I probably, of course

781
00:35:00,478 --> 00:35:03,318
Speaker 4: it bothered the Dodgers eventually, but I know it bothered

782
00:35:03,318 --> 00:35:07,998
Speaker 4: Georgia a lot. I love those guys. Those guys taught

783
00:35:07,998 --> 00:35:11,158
Speaker 4: me so much. They're a big part of why I

784
00:35:11,238 --> 00:35:13,518
Speaker 4: was able to do what I did. And I still

785
00:35:13,678 --> 00:35:18,118
Speaker 4: contend that if you really want to develop good coaches

786
00:35:18,118 --> 00:35:21,118
Speaker 4: and managers in your minor league system, have them scout

787
00:35:21,158 --> 00:35:23,598
Speaker 4: first and have them get out there on a free

788
00:35:23,598 --> 00:35:28,198
Speaker 4: agent scouting trail in a territory prior to a draft,

789
00:35:28,238 --> 00:35:31,438
Speaker 4: and really go through this whole experience, because when you

790
00:35:31,478 --> 00:35:34,518
Speaker 4: get to your team in a season, you're going to

791
00:35:34,558 --> 00:35:37,438
Speaker 4: be able to make better evaluations on what you're seeing,

792
00:35:37,918 --> 00:35:40,638
Speaker 4: because then you have a better base to know what's

793
00:35:40,918 --> 00:35:43,158
Speaker 4: what a really good major league player is going to

794
00:35:43,238 --> 00:35:44,718
Speaker 4: look like before ever it becomes one.

795
00:35:45,238 --> 00:35:48,318
Speaker 3: Blair Field also is where they filmed a lot of

796
00:35:48,358 --> 00:35:53,118
Speaker 3: the scenes for Moneyball. So how much does Moneyball factor

797
00:35:53,158 --> 00:35:57,278
Speaker 3: into postseason baseball, especially the World Series. I'm curious to

798
00:35:57,278 --> 00:36:00,038
Speaker 3: get Joe's take on how to run World Series games

799
00:36:00,038 --> 00:36:03,158
Speaker 3: from the manager's perspective. We'll do that right after we

800
00:36:03,198 --> 00:36:18,198
Speaker 3: get back to the Book of Joe. Welcome back to

801
00:36:18,278 --> 00:36:21,358
Speaker 3: the World Series edition of the Book of Joe podcast.

802
00:36:21,918 --> 00:36:25,958
Speaker 3: Yankees Dodgers probably two of the most talented teams.

803
00:36:26,038 --> 00:36:27,078
Speaker 2: It's a rare matchup.

804
00:36:27,118 --> 00:36:28,918
Speaker 3: I think it's only the third and wild Card era

805
00:36:28,998 --> 00:36:31,358
Speaker 3: where we have the two teams with the best records

806
00:36:31,358 --> 00:36:34,678
Speaker 3: in each league made it through the minefield of expanded

807
00:36:34,678 --> 00:36:36,758
Speaker 3: postseason baseball to give us.

808
00:36:36,718 --> 00:36:39,558
Speaker 2: An Armageddon World Series. So much fun.

809
00:36:40,318 --> 00:36:43,558
Speaker 3: I mentioned Moneyball, and we all love the numbers. In

810
00:36:43,558 --> 00:36:46,038
Speaker 3: the fact we talked about Wan Soto hitting high fastballs.

811
00:36:46,038 --> 00:36:48,318
Speaker 3: The numbers should convince you never to throw him one,

812
00:36:48,758 --> 00:36:51,318
Speaker 3: so no one wants to disregard those. But a couple

813
00:36:51,318 --> 00:36:53,238
Speaker 3: of things to keep in mind here. First of all,

814
00:36:53,358 --> 00:36:57,358
Speaker 3: the Dodgers are to me they're giving Will Smith, their catcher,

815
00:36:57,358 --> 00:37:00,478
Speaker 3: who's really grown into a really good game caller, a

816
00:37:00,518 --> 00:37:03,238
Speaker 3: little more leeway, and how they run games. I think,

817
00:37:03,358 --> 00:37:06,438
Speaker 3: in talking Dave Roberts, the Dodgers went a lot more

818
00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:10,598
Speaker 3: by script in years past, but slowly they've sort of

819
00:37:10,638 --> 00:37:13,678
Speaker 3: morphed into more of a combo, a hybrid, if you will,

820
00:37:14,278 --> 00:37:17,838
Speaker 3: where Will Smith is not always checking that wristband before

821
00:37:17,878 --> 00:37:20,358
Speaker 3: calling a pitch, he's reading hit or a swings and

822
00:37:20,398 --> 00:37:23,158
Speaker 3: how they react to certain pictures. And I think the

823
00:37:23,238 --> 00:37:25,918
Speaker 3: Dodgers have done a really good job in this postseason

824
00:37:26,078 --> 00:37:28,958
Speaker 3: doing that. I think they're more adaptable team. And on

825
00:37:28,998 --> 00:37:31,358
Speaker 3: the other side, I think about the advice Joe Tory

826
00:37:31,478 --> 00:37:34,598
Speaker 3: gives to Aaron Boone, one of his former players, and

827
00:37:34,918 --> 00:37:37,758
Speaker 3: he tells them he told Aaron Boone before this postseason,

828
00:37:38,478 --> 00:37:41,518
Speaker 3: don't forget your instincts, especially a guy like Boone, who's

829
00:37:41,558 --> 00:37:45,358
Speaker 3: a third generation major league star who's been around the

830
00:37:45,358 --> 00:37:47,998
Speaker 3: game since he's had diapers and swinging a with a

831
00:37:48,078 --> 00:37:52,238
Speaker 3: ball bet And Tory's point basically was trust what you see,

832
00:37:52,278 --> 00:37:55,078
Speaker 3: because why would you run away from all that experience.

833
00:37:55,118 --> 00:37:57,318
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you go off to handle and just

834
00:37:57,358 --> 00:37:59,678
Speaker 3: do something on a whim, but it means that you

835
00:37:59,718 --> 00:38:01,878
Speaker 3: react to what you see and calling a game and

836
00:38:01,918 --> 00:38:03,918
Speaker 3: putting plays on or making pitching decisions.

837
00:38:03,998 --> 00:38:05,438
Speaker 2: And I think you're seeing that with Aaron Boone.

838
00:38:05,438 --> 00:38:07,598
Speaker 3: I think he's done a really good job, especially with

839
00:38:07,678 --> 00:38:11,598
Speaker 3: his bullpen decisions in the postseason. My goodness, they closed

840
00:38:11,598 --> 00:38:15,718
Speaker 3: out the American League Pennant Joe with Cousins and Kinley

841
00:38:16,318 --> 00:38:19,038
Speaker 3: and Weaver and Hill. I mean, these guys were cast

842
00:38:19,078 --> 00:38:21,718
Speaker 3: offs from other organizations, so I think I think Boone

843
00:38:21,718 --> 00:38:23,838
Speaker 3: didn't need to be reminded of that by Joe, but

844
00:38:23,878 --> 00:38:27,878
Speaker 3: he certainly. I thought I said the right hand in

845
00:38:27,958 --> 00:38:29,718
Speaker 3: making decisions totally.

846
00:38:29,958 --> 00:38:31,878
Speaker 4: But I always told my guys in the plash before

847
00:38:31,918 --> 00:38:34,518
Speaker 4: the games began, was that things are going to go bad.

848
00:38:34,518 --> 00:38:36,958
Speaker 4: At some point, They're going to go bad, and at

849
00:38:36,998 --> 00:38:40,038
Speaker 4: that particular point, we got to continue to fight through this.

850
00:38:40,958 --> 00:38:43,278
Speaker 5: You have to be fluid. You just have to be fluid.

851
00:38:43,718 --> 00:38:46,558
Speaker 4: You always love to run according to a script, but

852
00:38:46,598 --> 00:38:48,318
Speaker 4: the script's going to get blown up at some point.

853
00:38:48,358 --> 00:38:50,878
Speaker 4: Theory in reality rarely come together. The one piece of

854
00:38:50,918 --> 00:38:53,718
Speaker 4: advice I'd give my guys before we would begin was that,

855
00:38:53,838 --> 00:38:55,878
Speaker 4: and we have to be ready for it. We have

856
00:38:55,918 --> 00:38:59,718
Speaker 4: to be adaptable. You know, absolutely can never give up.

857
00:38:59,798 --> 00:39:01,998
Speaker 4: You never quit on this thing, but understand that it's

858
00:39:01,998 --> 00:39:04,838
Speaker 4: not always going to be perfect, and so go into

859
00:39:04,878 --> 00:39:06,918
Speaker 4: it knowing that patience.

860
00:39:07,238 --> 00:39:08,798
Speaker 5: There's less patience.

861
00:39:08,838 --> 00:39:11,118
Speaker 4: In this a meaning that as a manager you have

862
00:39:11,158 --> 00:39:14,078
Speaker 4: to be somewhat more aggressive, and especially as the games

863
00:39:14,118 --> 00:39:17,198
Speaker 4: get deeper, whether you're down two to one, three to one, whatever,

864
00:39:17,598 --> 00:39:19,718
Speaker 4: you have to get even more aggressive than that. So

865
00:39:20,118 --> 00:39:23,238
Speaker 4: there's a less patient approach to managing the game. And

866
00:39:23,278 --> 00:39:27,638
Speaker 4: from a perspective regarding just to remind the resilience that

867
00:39:27,678 --> 00:39:29,798
Speaker 4: got you here to begin with, things are going to

868
00:39:29,798 --> 00:39:31,678
Speaker 4: go bad and we're going to have to fight through

869
00:39:31,758 --> 00:39:32,478
Speaker 4: that final point.

870
00:39:32,518 --> 00:39:34,238
Speaker 5: You brought it up in a bit. You know, we've

871
00:39:34,238 --> 00:39:35,318
Speaker 5: talked about this forever.

872
00:39:36,198 --> 00:39:38,438
Speaker 4: Yes you've got to pay attention, and yes you've got

873
00:39:38,478 --> 00:39:41,798
Speaker 4: to follow your instincts and your wisdom and your years

874
00:39:41,798 --> 00:39:45,438
Speaker 4: of experience. And it's when you just can never run

875
00:39:45,478 --> 00:39:48,078
Speaker 4: away from that and after all, that probably the main

876
00:39:48,118 --> 00:39:51,278
Speaker 4: reason why you're at that particular position that you are.

877
00:39:51,278 --> 00:39:54,958
Speaker 4: And I love the Dodgers permitting their catcher to go

878
00:39:54,998 --> 00:39:56,998
Speaker 4: off script once in a while based on what you're

879
00:39:57,038 --> 00:40:00,718
Speaker 4: saying one hundred percent, and that speaks to trends and

880
00:40:00,998 --> 00:40:04,918
Speaker 4: where the big picture doesn't necessarily always come into lights.

881
00:40:05,518 --> 00:40:08,118
Speaker 4: Guys get hot, guys get cold. A judge right now.

882
00:40:08,198 --> 00:40:10,798
Speaker 4: Would you ever walk so to to pitch the judge

883
00:40:11,078 --> 00:40:13,278
Speaker 4: during the course of the last season, of course not,

884
00:40:13,438 --> 00:40:14,598
Speaker 4: but he's cold right now.

885
00:40:14,638 --> 00:40:15,318
Speaker 5: So they did that.

886
00:40:15,878 --> 00:40:18,478
Speaker 4: Follow your trends, what do you see make adjustments? It

887
00:40:18,718 --> 00:40:22,478
Speaker 4: just can't be based on math completely and only it's

888
00:40:22,518 --> 00:40:26,118
Speaker 4: not infallible. And actually analytics, to me are very They

889
00:40:26,158 --> 00:40:30,678
Speaker 4: really are a very fluid method of preparation for a

890
00:40:30,678 --> 00:40:34,358
Speaker 4: Major League baseball game. So that's kind of a wide

891
00:40:34,438 --> 00:40:36,598
Speaker 4: ranging answer, but those are the kind of things going

892
00:40:36,678 --> 00:40:39,118
Speaker 4: into less patient, be prepared for.

893
00:40:39,038 --> 00:40:40,678
Speaker 5: Something to go bad and fight through it.

894
00:40:40,798 --> 00:40:44,318
Speaker 4: And yes, I want you always to bring you to

895
00:40:44,398 --> 00:40:48,358
Speaker 4: the table. I don't want you to go out there uptight,

896
00:40:48,598 --> 00:40:49,798
Speaker 4: or I don't want you to go up there feeling

897
00:40:49,958 --> 00:40:52,838
Speaker 4: you cannot trust or follow your own instincts. If something's

898
00:40:52,878 --> 00:40:53,958
Speaker 4: really screaming at you.

899
00:40:54,438 --> 00:40:54,918
Speaker 5: I want that.

900
00:40:54,958 --> 00:40:57,358
Speaker 4: I want you to be a baseball player, and I'll

901
00:40:57,358 --> 00:40:58,918
Speaker 4: never want to get in a way of your greatness.

902
00:40:59,318 --> 00:41:01,638
Speaker 3: Now, let's talk about how the managers run these games.

903
00:41:01,638 --> 00:41:05,678
Speaker 3: We'll start with Dave Roberts and the Dodger. Listen, he's

904
00:41:05,958 --> 00:41:08,078
Speaker 3: in a bit of a pickle again, you know, in

905
00:41:08,118 --> 00:41:12,478
Speaker 3: terms of threading the needle here, He's got Yoshinobu Yamamoto,

906
00:41:12,958 --> 00:41:16,198
Speaker 3: who has not pitched more than five innings since June seventh.

907
00:41:16,798 --> 00:41:20,398
Speaker 3: He's got Walker Buehler, who in his last start lasted

908
00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:24,518
Speaker 3: four innings through about ninety pitches and was guessed. He's

909
00:41:24,558 --> 00:41:28,718
Speaker 3: got Jack Flaherty, who, in his second start in the

910
00:41:28,838 --> 00:41:32,398
Speaker 3: NLCS against the Mets really had to minish stuff. I'm

911
00:41:32,398 --> 00:41:34,678
Speaker 3: talking about a fastball down two miles per hour, a

912
00:41:34,718 --> 00:41:38,358
Speaker 3: slider had really no bite to it. Kervebaugh did not

913
00:41:38,398 --> 00:41:40,838
Speaker 3: have the same kind of break to it. That seemed

914
00:41:40,838 --> 00:41:43,038
Speaker 3: to be alarming for a guy who's throwing the most

915
00:41:43,038 --> 00:41:46,718
Speaker 3: innings he has in the last five years. That's it,

916
00:41:46,838 --> 00:41:50,438
Speaker 3: that's his rotation. He's going to have to plan for

917
00:41:50,558 --> 00:41:52,718
Speaker 3: at least one or two bullpen games.

918
00:41:52,758 --> 00:41:53,118
Speaker 2: Again.

919
00:41:53,918 --> 00:41:57,518
Speaker 3: My guess is he probably goes bullpen game for Game

920
00:41:57,638 --> 00:42:01,438
Speaker 3: two with the off day on the other side, I

921
00:42:01,478 --> 00:42:04,158
Speaker 3: don't think he can go bullpen game Game three three

922
00:42:04,718 --> 00:42:08,038
Speaker 3: because that's the first of three straight games. And if

923
00:42:08,078 --> 00:42:11,438
Speaker 3: you're wearing out your bullpenning game one, which is game three,

924
00:42:12,478 --> 00:42:15,518
Speaker 3: where are you for the next two? So that that's

925
00:42:15,558 --> 00:42:18,758
Speaker 3: a tough way to go, Joe. But listen, he threaded

926
00:42:18,798 --> 00:42:22,238
Speaker 3: the needle last time. Vessia would come back and be

927
00:42:23,238 --> 00:42:25,158
Speaker 3: a good option for help because he can get you

928
00:42:25,198 --> 00:42:27,558
Speaker 3: more than three outs. By the way people talk about

929
00:42:27,598 --> 00:42:29,678
Speaker 3: Vessia on Soto, no, I.

930
00:42:29,598 --> 00:42:32,798
Speaker 2: Wouldn't do it. You know, his best pitch is the

931
00:42:32,878 --> 00:42:36,438
Speaker 2: high fastball, and it's a disappearing one. I get it.

932
00:42:36,758 --> 00:42:40,558
Speaker 3: I'd rather have Graderol with his power sinker or trying it,

933
00:42:40,638 --> 00:42:44,238
Speaker 3: of course with his sweeper Vessia just because he's lefty

934
00:42:44,278 --> 00:42:47,558
Speaker 3: on Soda, I wouldn't do that. But anyway, that's that's

935
00:42:47,598 --> 00:42:49,798
Speaker 3: where I'm at. On Dave Roberts, Joe, I mean, how

936
00:42:49,798 --> 00:42:51,838
Speaker 3: do you see how he threads the needle this time?

937
00:42:52,318 --> 00:42:52,918
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this.

938
00:42:52,998 --> 00:42:55,718
Speaker 4: First of all, when it comes down to the roster construction,

939
00:42:55,998 --> 00:42:58,238
Speaker 4: is there limits on how many pitchers you could have

940
00:42:58,318 --> 00:43:00,958
Speaker 4: and compared to position players or is that not a

941
00:43:01,038 --> 00:43:01,678
Speaker 4: rule right now?

942
00:43:01,958 --> 00:43:04,998
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think it is fourteen.

943
00:43:04,718 --> 00:43:07,958
Speaker 4: Fourteen pitchers, max pitchers the twenty six. So if he

944
00:43:08,038 --> 00:43:12,398
Speaker 4: went with three starters, he could basically have eleven relief pictures.

945
00:43:12,838 --> 00:43:14,438
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I would. I would look for them

946
00:43:14,438 --> 00:43:15,438
Speaker 5: to do something like that.

947
00:43:15,598 --> 00:43:20,638
Speaker 4: I mean because yeah, I watched Flarty, uh and I

948
00:43:20,678 --> 00:43:22,838
Speaker 4: love this guy with the Cardinals. I thought he was

949
00:43:22,878 --> 00:43:25,438
Speaker 4: such a great athlete too, But the thing that happened

950
00:43:25,438 --> 00:43:28,198
Speaker 4: to him eventually that to his demise, there was the

951
00:43:28,238 --> 00:43:31,118
Speaker 4: command of everything. The guy's tremendous. Guy could hit, he

952
00:43:31,118 --> 00:43:33,438
Speaker 4: could run, you could do all those kinds of things.

953
00:43:33,438 --> 00:43:36,278
Speaker 4: But I'd really be concerned about that and the other

954
00:43:36,358 --> 00:43:39,598
Speaker 4: guys like you're talking about, coming off an injury and

955
00:43:40,198 --> 00:43:42,038
Speaker 4: just not stretched out to the point that they need

956
00:43:42,078 --> 00:43:44,798
Speaker 4: to be. So I would really watch for them to

957
00:43:44,918 --> 00:43:48,518
Speaker 4: go heavy, heavy, extra arms and not really be concerned

958
00:43:48,558 --> 00:43:51,798
Speaker 4: about starting pitchers. You might see a completely different breakdown

959
00:43:51,798 --> 00:43:54,158
Speaker 4: in regards to how you set up your particular team.

960
00:43:54,198 --> 00:43:56,478
Speaker 4: Pinch any wise, who do they pinch it for?

961
00:43:57,678 --> 00:43:58,398
Speaker 5: I don't think they do.

962
00:43:58,478 --> 00:44:00,798
Speaker 4: Really do they pinch it a whole lot, if at all.

963
00:44:00,878 --> 00:44:02,798
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would pinch it for the bottom of the lineup.

964
00:44:02,878 --> 00:44:04,878
Speaker 2: Pinch it for Chris Taylor if he's in there against them.

965
00:44:04,918 --> 00:44:05,638
Speaker 5: Okay, that's one.

966
00:44:05,998 --> 00:44:09,158
Speaker 2: That's one, not a whole lot, though, You're right.

967
00:44:09,078 --> 00:44:11,518
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think they did needed the extra catcher,

968
00:44:11,558 --> 00:44:15,718
Speaker 4: of course, and they were just really pinpoint exactly who

969
00:44:15,718 --> 00:44:18,678
Speaker 4: they might pinch it for. But you might just see

970
00:44:19,358 --> 00:44:22,278
Speaker 4: literally eleven relief pitchers on this team. If you're in fact,

971
00:44:22,318 --> 00:44:25,198
Speaker 4: you could go fourteen, and that would be their way

972
00:44:25,238 --> 00:44:29,438
Speaker 4: to circumvent all this and really give you the possibly

973
00:44:29,478 --> 00:44:30,838
Speaker 4: back to back bullpen games.

974
00:44:31,078 --> 00:44:32,758
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you're talking about a team the last

975
00:44:32,838 --> 00:44:36,038
Speaker 3: round again, they had twenty and one third innings from

976
00:44:36,038 --> 00:44:38,718
Speaker 3: their starters in six games, three in the third innings, right,

977
00:44:38,758 --> 00:44:40,638
Speaker 3: I mean you've got a bullpen that's been picking up

978
00:44:40,758 --> 00:44:43,718
Speaker 3: basically two thirds of the game for you. I mean

979
00:44:43,998 --> 00:44:46,758
Speaker 3: you listen, you won a series in six games doing that.

980
00:44:46,838 --> 00:44:50,118
Speaker 3: Now you have to do it again against the deeper

981
00:44:50,238 --> 00:44:51,118
Speaker 3: Yankees lineup.

982
00:44:51,758 --> 00:44:53,118
Speaker 2: That that's a challenge to me.

983
00:44:53,318 --> 00:44:56,118
Speaker 3: So if they've got ves yet, they've got Graderol who

984
00:44:56,158 --> 00:44:58,398
Speaker 3: wasn't pitched in forever, so we don't even know what

985
00:44:58,558 --> 00:44:59,958
Speaker 3: you know his condition would be.

986
00:45:00,558 --> 00:45:02,158
Speaker 2: But I agree with you You're going to have.

987
00:45:02,198 --> 00:45:04,878
Speaker 3: To just have waves and waves of relief pitchers to

988
00:45:04,958 --> 00:45:06,798
Speaker 3: keep these in check, these games of check.

989
00:45:06,798 --> 00:45:08,438
Speaker 2: If you're if you're Dave Roberts.

990
00:45:08,838 --> 00:45:11,278
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Marquee matchup's not going to exist in this series.

991
00:45:11,318 --> 00:45:14,758
Speaker 4: It's not Waity Ford versus you know, don Newcome whatever

992
00:45:14,758 --> 00:45:17,518
Speaker 4: it's there, You're not going to get that Sandy versus

993
00:45:17,958 --> 00:45:20,438
Speaker 4: whomever in the for the Yankees, male stodom are at

994
00:45:20,478 --> 00:45:23,678
Speaker 4: that particular time. So it's going to be suspend everything

995
00:45:23,678 --> 00:45:27,078
Speaker 4: you've always believed in with starting pitchers right now in

996
00:45:27,118 --> 00:45:29,358
Speaker 4: this series, at least from the Dodgers side of things,

997
00:45:29,358 --> 00:45:31,078
Speaker 4: the Yankees are in a little bit better shape, especially

998
00:45:31,078 --> 00:45:33,838
Speaker 4: if Cortes as well and he's able to throw up

999
00:45:33,838 --> 00:45:36,558
Speaker 4: to his standards. I mean that that's a big get

1000
00:45:36,558 --> 00:45:38,718
Speaker 4: for them. But I think you're going to see something

1001
00:45:38,758 --> 00:45:41,038
Speaker 4: completely off the wall from the Dodgers right now. I

1002
00:45:41,038 --> 00:45:45,158
Speaker 4: don't know that they could comfortably feel confident about any

1003
00:45:45,198 --> 00:45:47,478
Speaker 4: of those guys you just talked about, except my Moto.

1004
00:45:47,558 --> 00:45:49,878
Speaker 4: Maybe you know, he doing five, maybe even six if

1005
00:45:49,918 --> 00:45:52,398
Speaker 4: the guy's on. I mean, he showed some he showed

1006
00:45:52,438 --> 00:45:54,118
Speaker 4: some decent stuff the last time I watched them. But

1007
00:45:54,158 --> 00:45:57,438
Speaker 4: the other guys, it's hard to imagine. So you're going

1008
00:45:57,518 --> 00:46:01,678
Speaker 4: to see a bunch of relievers and relievers that they're

1009
00:46:01,678 --> 00:46:03,318
Speaker 4: going to stretch out a little bit more like the

1010
00:46:04,118 --> 00:46:05,638
Speaker 4: just one one in the third. They're gonna look for

1011
00:46:05,638 --> 00:46:08,838
Speaker 4: the two any guys here and that guy's got a

1012
00:46:08,838 --> 00:46:12,198
Speaker 4: bit deeper farther. If in fact there cruising and they

1013
00:46:12,198 --> 00:46:14,198
Speaker 4: look kind of good, they're gonna need, like you said,

1014
00:46:14,198 --> 00:46:16,558
Speaker 4: they're gonna need strike throws there. Their whole process is

1015
00:46:16,558 --> 00:46:18,718
Speaker 4: gonna have to be around people that they believe can

1016
00:46:18,758 --> 00:46:20,798
Speaker 4: get hitters out within the strike zone. That's gonna be

1017
00:46:20,798 --> 00:46:23,598
Speaker 4: a big part of the conversation. If they have to

1018
00:46:23,598 --> 00:46:26,238
Speaker 4: rely on any of these relief pitchers to be chase

1019
00:46:26,358 --> 00:46:29,198
Speaker 4: kind of guys, they're not. They're gonna shy away from them,

1020
00:46:29,278 --> 00:46:32,878
Speaker 4: unless they're just gonna look at maybe one guy, maybe

1021
00:46:32,918 --> 00:46:35,198
Speaker 4: one real long guy, the guy that's just gonna suck

1022
00:46:35,238 --> 00:46:37,798
Speaker 4: it up, get his brains beaten out to save everybody else.

1023
00:46:37,798 --> 00:46:39,078
Speaker 5: Are gonna have to consider that too.

1024
00:46:39,678 --> 00:46:42,638
Speaker 4: But I think you're gonna see a heavily laden bullpen

1025
00:46:43,198 --> 00:46:45,118
Speaker 4: structure to the Dodgers' roster.

1026
00:46:45,718 --> 00:46:46,558
Speaker 2: Yeah, the key for.

1027
00:46:46,558 --> 00:46:50,358
Speaker 3: Me is Dave Roberts drops into start game three. First

1028
00:46:50,358 --> 00:46:52,758
Speaker 3: of all, it's a tough assignment. Game three, you know,

1029
00:46:52,878 --> 00:46:55,558
Speaker 3: first World Series game at Yankee Stadium since two thousand

1030
00:46:55,598 --> 00:46:59,198
Speaker 3: and nine. Listen to Dodgers playing their pressure all the time.

1031
00:46:59,198 --> 00:47:00,718
Speaker 3: I get that, but there's something different.

1032
00:47:00,758 --> 00:47:01,678
Speaker 2: You know this Joe.

1033
00:47:01,478 --> 00:47:04,798
Speaker 3: About going into the ballpark in the Bronx in that situation.

1034
00:47:04,958 --> 00:47:08,758
Speaker 3: But it's also key because you can't really have Yamamoto

1035
00:47:08,838 --> 00:47:12,998
Speaker 3: there because he needs at least five usually six days

1036
00:47:13,038 --> 00:47:15,878
Speaker 3: of rest. So he's not really an option for seven.

1037
00:47:15,878 --> 00:47:18,558
Speaker 3: If you start him in three, you know you've got

1038
00:47:18,958 --> 00:47:21,438
Speaker 3: Flaherty and Walker Buehler. He needs somebody who can come

1039
00:47:21,478 --> 00:47:25,158
Speaker 3: back just in case you get to seven. That can't

1040
00:47:25,198 --> 00:47:28,558
Speaker 3: be a bullpen game, as I said, So he's really

1041
00:47:28,638 --> 00:47:30,958
Speaker 3: hamstrong with the amount of options that he has. Maybe

1042
00:47:30,998 --> 00:47:36,798
Speaker 3: he goes Yamamoto in in game two bullpen one. I

1043
00:47:36,798 --> 00:47:38,638
Speaker 3: don't know, but he's got to figure this out because

1044
00:47:38,638 --> 00:47:41,558
Speaker 3: he's limited with Yamamoto can't come back on the fifth day,

1045
00:47:42,038 --> 00:47:44,358
Speaker 3: doesn't give you a lot of length anyway, has to

1046
00:47:44,398 --> 00:47:47,558
Speaker 3: have some bullpen games with some room either before or after.

1047
00:47:48,358 --> 00:47:49,998
Speaker 2: It's a tricky situation for Dave.

1048
00:47:50,678 --> 00:47:53,398
Speaker 4: I see, I could easily see them going bullpen first

1049
00:47:53,438 --> 00:47:56,678
Speaker 4: game no question. That does not even and I'll even

1050
00:47:56,718 --> 00:47:58,718
Speaker 4: say this, if the bullpen goes good in the first

1051
00:47:58,718 --> 00:48:00,478
Speaker 4: game and they have planning left over in the second game,

1052
00:48:00,518 --> 00:48:03,118
Speaker 4: you might see it back to back. I think they're

1053
00:48:03,158 --> 00:48:04,918
Speaker 4: going to be very fluid with this. They're going to

1054
00:48:04,958 --> 00:48:08,998
Speaker 4: go that direction. I just if I'm them to just

1055
00:48:09,598 --> 00:48:12,158
Speaker 4: try to in advance because they don't want to get

1056
00:48:12,198 --> 00:48:13,758
Speaker 4: behind in these games either. So if you're going to

1057
00:48:14,078 --> 00:48:15,998
Speaker 4: start one of these starters that they don't feel really

1058
00:48:16,038 --> 00:48:18,318
Speaker 4: good about and you're going to work into a deficit,

1059
00:48:18,398 --> 00:48:21,758
Speaker 4: I hate. One of my most things I lowered the

1060
00:48:21,758 --> 00:48:24,678
Speaker 4: most is to use good bullpen arms in a big

1061
00:48:24,718 --> 00:48:27,918
Speaker 4: deficit or in a deficit situation. It really bothered me,

1062
00:48:27,998 --> 00:48:29,158
Speaker 4: always has, always will.

1063
00:48:29,438 --> 00:48:31,678
Speaker 2: So you won't see the Dodgers doing that.

1064
00:48:31,718 --> 00:48:33,998
Speaker 4: We know that, but I'm just saying, so you may see.

1065
00:48:34,558 --> 00:48:37,798
Speaker 4: You may see bullpen first game. Yeah, Okay, if they

1066
00:48:37,838 --> 00:48:40,398
Speaker 4: win that, then maybe you'll see an actual starter. But

1067
00:48:40,478 --> 00:48:42,358
Speaker 4: if you're to lose that, you might see bullpen again.

1068
00:48:42,438 --> 00:48:44,238
Speaker 5: I'm it's just this thing is wide open.

1069
00:48:44,678 --> 00:48:45,478
Speaker 4: They'll reveal there.

1070
00:48:45,518 --> 00:48:46,038
Speaker 5: They're going to be.

1071
00:48:46,038 --> 00:48:48,158
Speaker 4: Tied to the best of the very end, but it

1072
00:48:48,198 --> 00:48:49,118
Speaker 4: would not surprise me.

1073
00:48:49,518 --> 00:48:51,798
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that, Joe, Because if you pitch

1074
00:48:51,878 --> 00:48:56,198
Speaker 3: Yamamoto in game two, right then he gets five days

1075
00:48:56,278 --> 00:48:59,838
Speaker 3: arrest before six two off days and three games in between,

1076
00:49:00,238 --> 00:49:01,358
Speaker 3: and that's his schedule.

1077
00:49:01,718 --> 00:49:04,358
Speaker 2: If you pitch them in one, then he's line up

1078
00:49:04,358 --> 00:49:04,718
Speaker 2: for five.

1079
00:49:04,878 --> 00:49:07,318
Speaker 3: That's not his schedule. He doesn't have enough rest at

1080
00:49:07,318 --> 00:49:09,598
Speaker 3: that point. So that's a possibility.

1081
00:49:09,878 --> 00:49:11,478
Speaker 5: I bet on it. I do.

1082
00:49:11,558 --> 00:49:15,478
Speaker 4: I don't think that they're very comfortable with doing all

1083
00:49:15,478 --> 00:49:18,238
Speaker 4: of that. They just clinched by doing it, so this

1084
00:49:18,438 --> 00:49:22,798
Speaker 4: is it's part of their structure right now. It would

1085
00:49:22,838 --> 00:49:24,318
Speaker 4: not surprise me in the least, and I think that's

1086
00:49:24,358 --> 00:49:26,798
Speaker 4: their best opportunity to get the upper hand.

1087
00:49:27,038 --> 00:49:29,198
Speaker 3: And if you're Aaron Boone, you know I've talked a

1088
00:49:29,238 --> 00:49:33,238
Speaker 3: lot with Dave Roberts this postseason about the law of exposure,

1089
00:49:33,278 --> 00:49:35,598
Speaker 3: if you will. As the series goes on, the more

1090
00:49:35,678 --> 00:49:39,558
Speaker 3: teams see a relief pitcher, especially the more the balance

1091
00:49:39,638 --> 00:49:42,398
Speaker 3: swings in favor of the hitter, you kind of lose

1092
00:49:42,478 --> 00:49:45,878
Speaker 3: that edge that a relief picture has by just facing

1093
00:49:45,878 --> 00:49:48,918
Speaker 3: a guy once in a while. You've seen this before,

1094
00:49:48,958 --> 00:49:51,638
Speaker 3: you guys did it to Andrew Miller in twenty sixteen. Joe,

1095
00:49:52,158 --> 00:49:54,038
Speaker 3: it seems to be a thing. The Yankees don't seem

1096
00:49:54,038 --> 00:49:56,678
Speaker 3: to be as bothered by that, because they kept matching

1097
00:49:56,758 --> 00:49:59,158
Speaker 3: up play Homes and Luke Weaver and whatnot against the

1098
00:49:59,198 --> 00:50:02,958
Speaker 3: middle of the Cleveland lineup. I don't think Aaron Boone

1099
00:50:02,998 --> 00:50:05,478
Speaker 3: is going to deviate from. But what do you see

1100
00:50:05,478 --> 00:50:07,718
Speaker 3: the keys for Aaron Boone as far as running these

1101
00:50:07,758 --> 00:50:09,198
Speaker 3: games against the Dodgers.

1102
00:50:10,238 --> 00:50:12,958
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, it's I would try to extract as

1103
00:50:13,038 --> 00:50:13,958
Speaker 4: much as I can out of.

1104
00:50:13,878 --> 00:50:16,158
Speaker 5: My starters, number one.

1105
00:50:17,118 --> 00:50:19,038
Speaker 4: I still believe that's the tried and true best way

1106
00:50:19,118 --> 00:50:21,678
Speaker 4: to go about this. If you could, these guys can

1107
00:50:21,838 --> 00:50:23,438
Speaker 4: get you into the fifth and the sixth inning. That

1108
00:50:23,598 --> 00:50:27,278
Speaker 4: just automatically makes your bullpen better and then then also permits.

1109
00:50:26,918 --> 00:50:28,838
Speaker 5: You to really match up the way.

1110
00:50:28,918 --> 00:50:31,918
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's your edge over the Dodgers, right, exactly outlast

1111
00:50:31,998 --> 00:50:33,998
Speaker 3: them and don't expose your bullpen as much.

1112
00:50:34,118 --> 00:50:36,038
Speaker 4: Right, that's to me the way that they have to

1113
00:50:36,398 --> 00:50:40,038
Speaker 4: want to go about this that requires some patience, requires

1114
00:50:40,038 --> 00:50:42,118
Speaker 4: some good efforts by their starting pitching, of course, which

1115
00:50:42,118 --> 00:50:44,318
Speaker 4: they have, and they can do those kinds of things.

1116
00:50:44,318 --> 00:50:48,558
Speaker 4: So I would really find boonie. Of course, it doesn't

1117
00:50:48,558 --> 00:50:50,918
Speaker 4: always work that way, but you're looking for that and

1118
00:50:50,998 --> 00:50:53,038
Speaker 4: try to be as patient as you can with your starters,

1119
00:50:53,278 --> 00:50:56,798
Speaker 4: because that starters pitching more deeply into games automatically make

1120
00:50:56,838 --> 00:50:57,678
Speaker 4: for better bullpens.

1121
00:50:58,278 --> 00:51:00,198
Speaker 2: And how do you see the Yankees offense here?

1122
00:51:00,238 --> 00:51:02,518
Speaker 3: We know that they're a quick strike team, right Joe,

1123
00:51:02,558 --> 00:51:05,718
Speaker 3: it's the whole run ball is huge for them. And

1124
00:51:05,758 --> 00:51:07,758
Speaker 3: it's interesting that we have these two teams with so

1125
00:51:07,878 --> 00:51:10,638
Speaker 3: much power. They do strike out a lot, both teams.

1126
00:51:10,878 --> 00:51:12,678
Speaker 3: You know, we talked a lot during the year and

1127
00:51:12,798 --> 00:51:15,878
Speaker 3: actually the last couple of years about playing postseason baseball,

1128
00:51:15,958 --> 00:51:18,758
Speaker 3: But in this case, it really is true that nothing

1129
00:51:19,358 --> 00:51:21,638
Speaker 3: decides games more than hitting a second home run in

1130
00:51:21,678 --> 00:51:21,958
Speaker 3: a game.

1131
00:51:21,998 --> 00:51:23,398
Speaker 2: Team is gonna win about seventy.

1132
00:51:23,198 --> 00:51:26,038
Speaker 3: Percent of the time when they hit that second home run.

1133
00:51:26,558 --> 00:51:29,238
Speaker 3: And the Yankees are not a great situational team. They're

1134
00:51:29,238 --> 00:51:31,278
Speaker 3: not a great base running team, let's face it.

1135
00:51:31,318 --> 00:51:34,718
Speaker 2: But the big eraser, the great barrel of white out

1136
00:51:34,798 --> 00:51:36,118
Speaker 2: that they have is the home run ball.

1137
00:51:36,318 --> 00:51:39,838
Speaker 3: So do you think that that continues to play against

1138
00:51:39,838 --> 00:51:41,838
Speaker 3: the Dodgers in terms of relying on the home run

1139
00:51:41,878 --> 00:51:43,358
Speaker 3: ball to win games or they're going to have to

1140
00:51:43,398 --> 00:51:45,478
Speaker 3: do some situational hitting better.

1141
00:51:46,558 --> 00:51:49,318
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be more difficult especially you know,

1142
00:51:49,318 --> 00:51:51,398
Speaker 4: if the Dodgers have all these great arms coming one

1143
00:51:51,438 --> 00:51:53,198
Speaker 4: after another, it's going to be harder to square them up.

1144
00:51:53,238 --> 00:51:56,638
Speaker 4: I think I also believe, weirdly that Glaboratorus is a

1145
00:51:56,638 --> 00:51:58,718
Speaker 4: big key to this whole thing. This guy's been fabulous

1146
00:51:58,758 --> 00:52:01,838
Speaker 4: in the leadoff hole, just getting on base, setting tone,

1147
00:52:01,918 --> 00:52:04,238
Speaker 4: providing confidence for the rest of the lineup. I can't

1148
00:52:04,238 --> 00:52:06,398
Speaker 4: be underestimated. You know, we were talking about that earlier

1149
00:52:06,478 --> 00:52:08,998
Speaker 4: this year, about how Volpi was doing that, and all

1150
00:52:09,038 --> 00:52:13,598
Speaker 4: of a sudden, it's Gliber has been this godsend regarding

1151
00:52:13,638 --> 00:52:16,318
Speaker 4: getting on base and then just setting a different mindseter

1152
00:52:16,358 --> 00:52:19,078
Speaker 4: tone to the opposition. You're right, they're bad at base running.

1153
00:52:19,078 --> 00:52:19,918
Speaker 4: They're not even not good.

1154
00:52:19,958 --> 00:52:20,478
Speaker 5: They're bad.

1155
00:52:20,878 --> 00:52:24,078
Speaker 4: They make a lot of really bad choices. But that's

1156
00:52:24,238 --> 00:52:26,118
Speaker 4: I mean, who knows how much time they spend with that,

1157
00:52:26,118 --> 00:52:29,118
Speaker 4: how much they really care about it. It's really surprising.

1158
00:52:29,158 --> 00:52:31,238
Speaker 4: But that's one thing I have horror is bad base running.

1159
00:52:31,278 --> 00:52:33,478
Speaker 4: So anyhow, I think Gliber has a lot to do

1160
00:52:33,558 --> 00:52:35,638
Speaker 4: with this how he continues to get on base and

1161
00:52:35,638 --> 00:52:38,398
Speaker 4: set table and create a positive.

1162
00:52:38,078 --> 00:52:38,998
Speaker 5: Vibe down the lineup.

1163
00:52:39,958 --> 00:52:41,278
Speaker 4: But I think the home run is going to be

1164
00:52:41,278 --> 00:52:42,998
Speaker 4: a little bit more difficult up and down the lineup

1165
00:52:43,038 --> 00:52:46,318
Speaker 4: for the Yankees, just based on you know, the bullpen arms. Now,

1166
00:52:46,638 --> 00:52:49,678
Speaker 4: they will hit their homers against Flarerty and they're going

1167
00:52:49,718 --> 00:52:52,638
Speaker 4: to hit their home runs against Builder. I just these

1168
00:52:52,638 --> 00:52:53,598
Speaker 4: guys are off right now.

1169
00:52:53,638 --> 00:52:54,758
Speaker 5: They're going to make mistakes.

1170
00:52:55,318 --> 00:52:58,038
Speaker 4: But the bullpen guy's going to be tough because they're

1171
00:52:58,078 --> 00:53:01,358
Speaker 4: always going to be seeing different guys presenting differently to them.

1172
00:53:01,478 --> 00:53:03,238
Speaker 4: So I can't say that they're going to just turn

1173
00:53:03,278 --> 00:53:06,958
Speaker 4: into a situation team. I think Rizzo provides some of

1174
00:53:06,998 --> 00:53:10,118
Speaker 4: that example on how to do this, because Rizz has

1175
00:53:10,158 --> 00:53:12,718
Speaker 4: been really doing that well. He's just been just trying

1176
00:53:12,758 --> 00:53:14,838
Speaker 4: to shoot the ball to the left side taking his

1177
00:53:14,878 --> 00:53:19,398
Speaker 4: base hit and that could be impactful and contagious also.

1178
00:53:19,518 --> 00:53:22,198
Speaker 4: But I don't think you're going to see the prolific

1179
00:53:22,238 --> 00:53:25,518
Speaker 4: home run necessarily against Dodger arms when they keep marching

1180
00:53:25,558 --> 00:53:27,918
Speaker 4: them out of the bullpen. But I do think they

1181
00:53:27,958 --> 00:53:29,318
Speaker 4: could up on the starters early.

1182
00:53:29,798 --> 00:53:32,118
Speaker 3: Should be a great series, Joe, I don't know who

1183
00:53:32,118 --> 00:53:34,758
Speaker 3: you like in this series. To me, it definitely looks

1184
00:53:34,798 --> 00:53:38,198
Speaker 3: like a log series. I can easily see either one

1185
00:53:38,238 --> 00:53:40,758
Speaker 3: of these teams winning this series. The Yankees with their power,

1186
00:53:40,838 --> 00:53:44,718
Speaker 3: I will say that Dodgers probably have more paths to

1187
00:53:45,118 --> 00:53:48,118
Speaker 3: victory offensively than do the Yankees. They're a better base

1188
00:53:48,158 --> 00:53:51,878
Speaker 3: running team, they're a better situational hitting team. But again,

1189
00:53:51,958 --> 00:53:55,638
Speaker 3: that Yankee power can just change everything. I'd be a

1190
00:53:55,678 --> 00:53:57,918
Speaker 3: little bit concerned about how the Dodgers get through these

1191
00:53:57,958 --> 00:54:01,638
Speaker 3: first two games in terms of bullpen usage really set

1192
00:54:01,678 --> 00:54:04,198
Speaker 3: up the series for Dave Roberts. Beyond that, they do

1193
00:54:04,238 --> 00:54:06,718
Speaker 3: have home field advantage. They did that with the best

1194
00:54:06,718 --> 00:54:08,838
Speaker 3: record of baseball. They went the last five games down

1195
00:54:08,918 --> 00:54:11,558
Speaker 3: the stretch and that's why we're starting and probably finishing

1196
00:54:11,598 --> 00:54:12,638
Speaker 3: at Dodger Stadium.

1197
00:54:13,238 --> 00:54:15,078
Speaker 2: So if there is any edge in this.

1198
00:54:15,118 --> 00:54:17,238
Speaker 3: Series, and I know when the postseason, the home field

1199
00:54:17,358 --> 00:54:20,638
Speaker 3: vte doesn't mean a whole lot, but when you get

1200
00:54:20,678 --> 00:54:22,998
Speaker 3: to six and seven and you don't have to defend

1201
00:54:22,998 --> 00:54:25,838
Speaker 3: the lead scoring last, I think that is an advantage.

1202
00:54:26,198 --> 00:54:29,118
Speaker 3: I'd give a slight edge to the LA Dodgers.

1203
00:54:29,278 --> 00:54:33,318
Speaker 4: What do you think, Yeah, it's like you said, it's

1204
00:54:33,358 --> 00:54:33,918
Speaker 4: that close.

1205
00:54:33,958 --> 00:54:35,838
Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, I'm even thinking about airplane

1206
00:54:35,878 --> 00:54:36,598
Speaker 5: rides right now.

1207
00:54:37,078 --> 00:54:39,518
Speaker 4: You know the fact that it starts in LA, goes

1208
00:54:39,558 --> 00:54:40,918
Speaker 4: back easton, comes back, they.

1209
00:54:40,838 --> 00:54:42,758
Speaker 5: Come back to their own time zone.

1210
00:54:43,238 --> 00:54:46,158
Speaker 4: It's kind of funky when you start going back and

1211
00:54:46,198 --> 00:54:48,998
Speaker 4: forth like that. It's a long ride, and I know

1212
00:54:49,038 --> 00:54:51,358
Speaker 4: it's first class, and I know it's you know, it's

1213
00:54:51,358 --> 00:54:53,478
Speaker 4: a charter plan. I get all that, but there's a

1214
00:54:53,478 --> 00:54:55,758
Speaker 4: certain amount of fatigue that sits in with that too.

1215
00:54:55,918 --> 00:54:57,358
Speaker 5: We may even talked about defense.

1216
00:54:57,438 --> 00:55:00,718
Speaker 4: I mean defensively catching the baseball is going to be

1217
00:55:00,718 --> 00:55:03,358
Speaker 4: obviously really big. Not giving the other side extra outs,

1218
00:55:04,118 --> 00:55:06,478
Speaker 4: walking hitters is going to be really big in this

1219
00:55:06,558 --> 00:55:09,878
Speaker 4: series also, But I can't disagree. I think overarching, the

1220
00:55:09,958 --> 00:55:12,078
Speaker 4: Dodgers have a nice thing going on right now.

1221
00:55:12,118 --> 00:55:13,078
Speaker 5: They look really good.

1222
00:55:13,158 --> 00:55:16,718
Speaker 4: I think they possibly have less holes overall than the

1223
00:55:16,798 --> 00:55:19,838
Speaker 4: Yankees do. But again, man, I'm not betting on this series.

1224
00:55:19,838 --> 00:55:23,278
Speaker 4: I don't bet at all anyway, but if I had

1225
00:55:23,278 --> 00:55:25,158
Speaker 4: to pick one, I probably have to go with the Dodgers.

1226
00:55:25,398 --> 00:55:27,638
Speaker 3: Yeah you sound like me though, Like you can go

1227
00:55:27,718 --> 00:55:30,758
Speaker 3: either way, right I don't feel strongly about the Dodgers,

1228
00:55:30,798 --> 00:55:33,478
Speaker 3: And I think what I like about this series Joe

1229
00:55:33,598 --> 00:55:36,158
Speaker 3: is and we started off talking about this. We've got

1230
00:55:36,198 --> 00:55:38,478
Speaker 3: some of the best players in the game on the

1231
00:55:38,518 --> 00:55:42,278
Speaker 3: biggest stage, and we've seen Solo in the World Series

1232
00:55:42,398 --> 00:55:44,558
Speaker 3: and he has absolutely crushed it. But now we get

1233
00:55:44,598 --> 00:55:48,238
Speaker 3: to see Otani and Judge, and I really do think

1234
00:55:49,158 --> 00:55:52,078
Speaker 3: to oversimplify things that how they respond will have a

1235
00:55:52,078 --> 00:55:54,998
Speaker 3: lot to do with how this series plays out. And

1236
00:55:55,038 --> 00:55:57,518
Speaker 3: I would not bet against either one of them going

1237
00:55:57,598 --> 00:55:59,958
Speaker 3: off and just having an MVP kind of a world series,

1238
00:56:00,918 --> 00:56:04,118
Speaker 3: because they've wanted this moment for their lives, for the

1239
00:56:04,118 --> 00:56:04,678
Speaker 3: whole lives.

1240
00:56:04,838 --> 00:56:07,158
Speaker 2: They have responded to big moments in the past.

1241
00:56:08,558 --> 00:56:10,998
Speaker 3: I'd just like to see these great series decided by

1242
00:56:10,998 --> 00:56:13,238
Speaker 3: great players. And it would surprise me if either show

1243
00:56:13,278 --> 00:56:16,238
Speaker 3: Hey or Judge or the MVP of this world series.

1244
00:56:16,678 --> 00:56:20,118
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're all jacked up, They're ready to go. There's

1245
00:56:20,158 --> 00:56:22,278
Speaker 4: plenty of rest between this last game and the first

1246
00:56:22,318 --> 00:56:24,318
Speaker 4: game of the series. They're kind of on top of

1247
00:56:24,358 --> 00:56:26,278
Speaker 4: their games right now. The big thing to is Freeman.

1248
00:56:26,798 --> 00:56:28,438
Speaker 4: You know, Freddie's going to be well or not with

1249
00:56:28,998 --> 00:56:31,878
Speaker 4: his ankle. How that really plays out, because a well

1250
00:56:32,078 --> 00:56:34,678
Speaker 4: Freeman Freddie Freeman is a big difference maker. I think

1251
00:56:34,758 --> 00:56:37,118
Speaker 4: Rizzo is going to feel better after a couple of

1252
00:56:37,198 --> 00:56:40,798
Speaker 4: days off with his hand, but really Freddie being able

1253
00:56:40,838 --> 00:56:44,478
Speaker 4: to play and playing comfortably without having to constantly think

1254
00:56:44,478 --> 00:56:47,918
Speaker 4: about his ankle could be a big difference maker also

1255
00:56:48,038 --> 00:56:49,558
Speaker 4: in a positive way for the Dodgers.

1256
00:56:49,918 --> 00:56:50,478
Speaker 5: So we'll see.

1257
00:56:50,478 --> 00:56:53,918
Speaker 4: But it is, it's a toss up. It's gonna be interesting,

1258
00:56:53,958 --> 00:56:57,278
Speaker 4: It's great for baseball, and I'm really happy to see

1259
00:56:57,278 --> 00:56:59,398
Speaker 4: this particular series for all those different reasons. You've already

1260
00:56:59,398 --> 00:57:02,718
Speaker 4: alluded to that, So it's going to be fascinating the viewership.

1261
00:57:02,758 --> 00:57:04,358
Speaker 5: I'm really curious to see the viewers.

1262
00:57:04,638 --> 00:57:08,518
Speaker 3: Well, the two biggest World series in the last generate

1263
00:57:08,598 --> 00:57:10,998
Speaker 3: this last generation is a twenty five thirty years is

1264
00:57:11,238 --> 00:57:15,358
Speaker 3: your World Series in twenty sixteen and the Boston Red

1265
00:57:15,398 --> 00:57:18,318
Speaker 3: Sox ending their curse in two thousand and four. I'd

1266
00:57:18,358 --> 00:57:20,558
Speaker 3: be curious to see if this one gets beyond those two.

1267
00:57:21,118 --> 00:57:22,878
Speaker 3: I think it's got a really good chance of doing that.

1268
00:57:23,118 --> 00:57:25,238
Speaker 3: It's the first World Series, by the way, in which

1269
00:57:25,278 --> 00:57:29,078
Speaker 3: we have a fifty home run hitter on each side.

1270
00:57:29,358 --> 00:57:31,238
Speaker 3: We had one where it was on the same side

1271
00:57:31,238 --> 00:57:35,918
Speaker 3: with Maris and Mammal back in sixty one. But the

1272
00:57:35,958 --> 00:57:38,118
Speaker 3: biggest stars in the game are here on the biggest stage.

1273
00:57:38,198 --> 00:57:38,958
Speaker 2: Can't wait for.

1274
00:57:38,878 --> 00:57:40,918
Speaker 5: It, agreed, Man, that's gonna be us saying.

1275
00:57:40,758 --> 00:57:42,718
Speaker 3: Joe, you've got something to take us out here. I

1276
00:57:42,758 --> 00:57:46,278
Speaker 3: do on this World Series edition of the Book of Joe.

1277
00:57:46,438 --> 00:57:48,398
Speaker 4: Well, actually I went to the Book of Joe for

1278
00:57:48,438 --> 00:57:48,798
Speaker 4: this one.

1279
00:57:49,078 --> 00:57:50,718
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, I did.

1280
00:57:51,158 --> 00:57:54,118
Speaker 4: Coach Moore, Tom Moore right now, he's presently with the Bucks.

1281
00:57:54,118 --> 00:57:54,558
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1282
00:57:54,598 --> 00:57:56,558
Speaker 4: Coach Moore and I became friends a couple of years ago.

1283
00:57:57,238 --> 00:58:00,558
Speaker 4: Came to the Wrigley Field, brought his son, stood with

1284
00:58:00,598 --> 00:58:03,118
Speaker 4: them behind home plate. Coach Moores to do with the

1285
00:58:03,158 --> 00:58:05,398
Speaker 4: glasses down on the tip of his nose is to

1286
00:58:06,038 --> 00:58:09,398
Speaker 4: mentor Manning and Brady and all these guys. But he

1287
00:58:09,518 --> 00:58:12,038
Speaker 4: laid this nugget on me a couple of years ago,

1288
00:58:12,038 --> 00:58:13,998
Speaker 4: and I used it with my team since he gave

1289
00:58:14,038 --> 00:58:16,558
Speaker 4: it to me. But you break, the other teams will

1290
00:58:17,038 --> 00:58:21,158
Speaker 4: through the relentless execution of fundamentals. We're just talking about

1291
00:58:21,198 --> 00:58:23,598
Speaker 4: the lack of fundamentals on the Yankee side when it

1292
00:58:23,638 --> 00:58:26,638
Speaker 4: comes to outcomes to offense, maybe situational hitting, and we're

1293
00:58:26,678 --> 00:58:28,878
Speaker 4: giving a little bit of a fundamental edge to the

1294
00:58:29,318 --> 00:58:32,678
Speaker 4: Dodgers overall. That always sticks with me. And listen, I'm

1295
00:58:32,718 --> 00:58:34,598
Speaker 4: a fundamentalist when it comes to the game of baseball,

1296
00:58:34,598 --> 00:58:35,318
Speaker 4: always have been.

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Speaker 5: My roots are.

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Speaker 4: I'm from the East Coast, but my baseball roots are

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Speaker 4: West Coast. I grew up as a California Angel, was

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Speaker 4: mentored by so many great coaches, and these guys were

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Speaker 4: really conservative baseball minds, and I'm so appreciative of that.

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Speaker 4: So the relentless execution of fundamentals. Final point, Pressure is

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Speaker 4: defined individually. Everybody's talking about pressure and expectations. Right now,

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Speaker 4: we've talked about this. Pressure is defined individually. Is a

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Speaker 4: motivator I believe. It is a positive I believe, and

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Speaker 4: it is attractive and you should want to be around it.

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Speaker 4: So you know, you can hear a lot the word pressure,

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Speaker 4: utilize a lot when talking to these teams.

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Speaker 5: Are about these teams.

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Speaker 4: It's an absolute positive and it's good, good for them,

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Speaker 4: belly for them. And when it comes down to it,

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Speaker 4: the team that executes more consistently fundamentally because it's so close,

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Speaker 4: should win the series.

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Speaker 3: I love that, as you know, the great ones regard

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Speaker 3: pressure as a privilege.

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Speaker 2: They want it, yep, and they thrive in it. And

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Speaker 2: we'll see who does a lot of fun Joe. We'll

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Speaker 2: look forward to it. We will check back in during

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Speaker 2: the course of this world series. It should be epic.

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Speaker 5: Have fun, Tommy, talk to you soon.

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