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Speaker 1: dig deep into the life and times John McAfee. But

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Speaker 1: in the meantime, we have much more strange news to

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Speaker 1: share with you. Collapsing buildings and Avian conspiracy discoveries that

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Speaker 1: these are ongoing events, so as you hear this, some

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Speaker 1: first story. Matt, are we going to Florida. Yes, we

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Speaker 1: ongoing story, and one that hopefully is a warning to

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Speaker 1: the Champlain Towers South. It's a condominium, twelve story condominium

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Speaker 1: in Surfside, Florida. Part of it collapsed, A large part

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Speaker 1: of it collapsed on Thursday, June of this year. We're

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Speaker 1: recording this right now, on Monday, June, so just so

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Speaker 1: you're aware, we're giving you information that we have thus far.

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Speaker 1: As of right now, the confirmed death toll from this

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Speaker 1: though repairs were essentially about to be under way, it's

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Speaker 1: give you a bunch of information from a bunch of

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Speaker 1: and I would highly recommend that you follow follow that

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Speaker 1: as the place where this occurred is very close to Miami, Florida,

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Speaker 1: and they're reporting from that location. Harold. Yes, oh yes,

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Speaker 1: everything on here. You'll find permits, plans, code compliance information,

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Speaker 1: several kind of like local news programs, and he actually

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Speaker 1: did an interview with the Audubon Society. It's kind of

431
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: fun that they would pick that story up. Um. And

432
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: he keeps a straight face the whole time he's talking

433
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,959
Speaker 1: about this pretty outlandish conspiracy theory. Um. He this is

434
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: as far back as UM. And by the way, he's

435
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: from Memphis, Tennessee. And the first event that he showed

436
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: up at was the Memphis Women's March back in UM.

437
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,239
Speaker 1: And you know, in the Audubon article, he again with

438
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: a straight face, kind of goes through all of their

439
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: kind of the mission, statement of who they are, a

440
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: lot of this history and what they hope to accomplish,

441
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: and you know it it It can't help but see

442
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: it as something that's sort of like almost like a

443
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: parody of conspiracy theories, of the idea of like this

444
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: post truth world where if we can't believe that birds

445
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: are real, what can we believe in? You know, I mean,

446
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: I think that's sort of the the joke is that

447
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: it's like the most ridiculous idea that this you know,

448
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: species of living thing that we see and then many

449
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: of us are you know, kind of freaked out by

450
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: or at least I am um, you know that they

451
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: aren't real. It's the idea that you can't trust what's

452
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: put in front of you. And it's in a in

453
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: a similar way to Q and on, where it's something

454
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: that a have started as kind of a gag or

455
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: as sort of like just Internet breadcrumbs, kind of like

456
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: rabbit hole type situation, or as as as you can

457
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: hear in Jake Hanrahan's excellent podcast h Q Clearance, some

458
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: sort of performance art piece. You know, it's an Internet

459
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: performance art. You know, that's not what it was proven

460
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: to be, but there are some theories that it was

461
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: that Q and on was was founded by this h

462
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: kind of data almost like ontological hysterics theater type experimental

463
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: piece of Internet subterfuge. I guess um, And that does

464
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: appear to be what's going on with the birds aren't

465
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: real movement, But like any movement, as we definitely know

466
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: with Q and on or like flat earthers for example, uh,

467
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: there are people that that actually do choose to believe it.

468
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't take a whole lot in this kind of

469
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: post truth world that we live in for people to

470
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: take a seed of an idea and rationalize it in

471
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: some way. Do you think anybody actually believes I I

472
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: don't know. Do you think people actually believe that the

473
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 1: Earth is flat? I think they that some people actually do.

474
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Speaker 1: But I also think that that was probably started as

475
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: as a joke. UM. I don't know. I really don't

476
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: know the answer. I just know that if you look

477
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: at like comments on Reddit posts, they have like three

478
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: thousand members to their Reddit thread, reddit channel. Um, they

479
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: have you know, uh, thousands and thousands and thousands of

480
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: social media followers across various platforms. You are going to

481
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: see some people that don't seem to be in on

482
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: the joke. Uh. And the way you know, then this

483
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: guy mcindoh has specifically said that there is irony to it. Um,

484
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: that it is sort of like a dark, satirical sort

485
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: of mock conspiracy theory, sort of poke fun at all

486
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: of these other you know, conspiracy theories that you know,

487
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: you could argue or equally as as a bizarre and

488
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: without merit. But it's super fascinating. I mean, you know

489
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: they're doing this, um, this tour, this like rolling rally situation,

490
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: and in order to get the details of where the

491
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: next one is going to be you have to subscribe

492
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: to a Patreon uh. Um. There is a lot of

493
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: merch to be had on their site. Um. So you know.

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00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Actually the Audubon uh article accuses it of being sort

495
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: of a cash grab kind of you know, money making scheme.

496
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: You have to pay tickets for a comedy show, don't you.

497
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true unethical. What I what I

498
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: was going to say earlier, is that this reminds me

499
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: a lot of the probably one of the most famous

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00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: satirical conspiracy theory, you know, lampoons, which is the biel

501
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: Field conspiracy, which started in Germany. If you guys are familiar,

502
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: it's the it's the idea. It's the same thing. It's

503
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: just the town in Germany instead of birds. They said,

504
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: the town of German, this town biel Field, does not

505
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: actually exists. But it's there's a great tale spun out

506
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: there too, that it's an illusion created by various nefarious forces. Uh.

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00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: This one became so popular that Chancellor Angela Merka mentioned

508
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: it like in public. So the nation of Germany has

509
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: adopted this, which I think must doubtlessly be inspiration for

510
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: things like birds aren't Real. It also reminds me I

511
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys ever met him, but I

512
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: have a friend named Ben Palmer who does a thing

513
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: called Hope This Helps. He used to be an Atlanta

514
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: based comedian. He moved out west, uh and he goes

515
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: to directly to your question about whether or not people

516
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: do believe in this, I would say no, for birds

517
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: aren't real at least yet. Yes for flat earth, um,

518
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 1: probably not for the Germans in the bill Field conspiracy.

519
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: But this guy does something brilliant where he not tranks.

520
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: I was trying to say pranks and trolls. So he

521
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: tranks these people, uh like older people often older or

522
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: uh more myopic people on places like Facebook by posing

523
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: to be a big corporation like Chick fil A or

524
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: what few and then saying things that would offend the

525
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: perceived demographic of Chick fil A. I just highly recommend

526
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: checking out Hope This Helps. If you enjoy the kind

527
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: of subversive comedy that you know you're describing here. No, yes, yes,

528
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: very much so. Yeah, I I know, I would just

529
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: say I do think Ben's right on. It's a performance

530
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: piece by filmmakers. This guy, what is it? Oh? Somebody

531
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: cited him kill? What does it kill? My Dog Productions.

532
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: It's what it's called at Kill My Dog Proud on Twitter.

533
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: Do you think that's a reference to Save the Cat

534
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: the film guide. I'm I'm not sure. I just know

535
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: that that person is referenced on Birds Aren't Real dot

536
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: com under who are we h. They're saying that this

537
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: person is a very talented filmmaker and storyteller. Uh. And

538
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: they attribute a lot of work to to this person

539
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: named Kendrick Smith with a banned TV ad from a

540
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: very impressive, uh, impressively produced retro commercial. It's great, No,

541
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean the commercial itself has the the

542
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: vibe of, like, uh, one of the infomercials on the show,

543
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: like I Think You Should Leave, for example, where it's

544
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: like almost the combination of like a political campaign and

545
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: like an ambulance chaser lawyer kind of commercial that you

546
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: might see on like public Access TV or something. Um,

547
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: now I had to present do agree with you that

548
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: that it is a very cleverly executed satire. I just

549
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: think that, um, you know, there are so many people

550
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: how how is any of the flat earth stuff anymore

551
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: convincing than this kind of false narrative? You know? And

552
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: like why I think there's even less reason for scientists

553
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: to lie about the Earth being flat. We've talked about that,

554
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: like how it just doesn't like, like to what end

555
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: and who whose benefit? Um? At least with this, we

556
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: know that the CIA, you know, had a genius idea

557
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: of how to survey you know, the citizens of the

558
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: United States. But what would they have done with all

559
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: the bird carcasses? That's my question, Like how would they

560
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: have dealt with that? And how would that not have

561
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: been a giant red flag? It would have seen something

562
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: about that in the news, you know. I think, Yeah,

563
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: in both cases, conventional science disproves the very possibility, right,

564
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: But in both cases there is perhaps information that every

565
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: person is not privy to. Perhaps that's why it seems possible,

566
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: I guess to be true for somebody who truly believes it.

567
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. In this case, I think the whole

568
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: thing smacks of of parody. I don't know. That's what

569
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: I get. I get a sense. I get that sense

570
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: from the people who run the show, who are interviewed

571
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: quite often for this. You can just feel the sarcastic

572
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: nature of it. Um. But maybe I don't know, Maybe

573
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: that's just some definite children of Kaufman vibes, you know

574
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: Andy Kaufman. And it'll also I will add, since it

575
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: is my mission to do these sorts of things, I

576
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: will add in all fairness of the birds aren't real Elders.

577
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: Some have been pulled from Instagram. Birds aren't real, Savannah.

578
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: It's gone also flat Earth. Yes, there are true believers.

579
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: I don't think they're birds. I I understand what you're saying,

580
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: all with the just the statistics, the breadth of the statistics.

581
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: Right out of almost eight billion people, is there someone

582
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: who's like, I've never seen a bird except on television.

583
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: The problem is that that might happen if uh stray

584
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: cats continue eating all the birds. But if birds do disappear,

585
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: then we'll have much bigger problems on our I think. Um,

586
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, kudos these guys. I hope they continue doing this.

587
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: I do. I do too, and I honestly, UH, even

588
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: if it was literally just like a clothing brand called

589
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: birds Aren't Real and they didn't even go the extra

590
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: mile of creating a whole mythology around it, I am

591
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: super into some of these shirts and UH and socks

592
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: that they have on their site. They even had like

593
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: a bucket hats. Wait, are you doing this just to

594
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: get swagged? Oh? I mean, I only I don't think

595
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: I've ever been cold sent swag from anything we've mentioned

596
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: on the conspiracy. That's the whole conspiracy. I would really

597
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: love an x L of the I am a lie

598
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: shirt with a pigeon on it. Though, if you guys

599
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: are listening, um, and they've got some really cool like

600
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: hats and well, you know, if you get to their website,

601
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: you can use Visa, PayPal, Shopify, MasterCard, j c B

602
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,479
Speaker 1: discover what is j c Z. I don't even knowing.

603
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. You can use Amazon pay American Express,

604
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: they let you know website they really really send them money.

605
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: They call it truth or Gear. By the way, the

606
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: whole e merged section is called truth or Gear. So uh.

607
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: I love a good joke, conspiracy a good mock religion.

608
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: So again, kudos to the birds. Aren't real guys, um,

609
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: and I'm interesting to see these uh rolling rallies make

610
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: any kind of impact or convert any any people or

611
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: any you know, people that were on the fence about

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00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: the existence of of of birds or not. So with that,

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00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: I think we'll take a quick break for another sponsor,

614
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: and then we'll be back with one more strange news story.

615
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: And we have returned, but we're staying in the present

616
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: moment just for a bit, and we'll be jumping back

617
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: and forth along the timeline from hundreds of thousands of

618
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: years ago to twenty one. People are making a lot

619
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: of money selling swag saying that birds aren't real, but

620
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: there are also people who are making a huge splash

621
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: saying that we have a fundamental misunderstanding of the human species.

622
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: This is a this is a topic that has fascinated

623
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, me, Matt and the YouTube days who really

624
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: into it as well. Uh. The discovery of ancient near

625
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Homo sapiens. Uh, this is something that long. You know,

626
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: if you if you've been a conspiracy realist for a while,

627
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: you can probably remember how amazed we were with the

628
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: discovery of Homo Florenzias uh, and various other things like

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Speaker 1: Dennis sivans that were not identified until I guess in Siberia,

630
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: other species in the genus Homo. Right, So, if you're

631
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: listening to this, odds are you are a Homo sapien.

632
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: There is a non zero chance that you may have

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00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: some bits of the genetic code of things like Neanderthal,

634
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: especially depending on where you where your ancestors originated. But

635
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: when we look at the earliest days of what would

636
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: now be called Homo sapiens, what we see is that

637
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: it was much less homogeneous than people would have us believe.

638
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: And there is an interesting, but not fully supported our

639
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: argument that some of humanities world traditions about things like giants,

640
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Speaker 1: gnomes and dwarves and so on could actually be very sensationalized,

641
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: very embellished recollections of early Homo sapiens running into these things.

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Speaker 1: If you've heard our episodes on this, like Lost Races

643
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: of Band and so on, then you might be thinking, guys,

644
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Speaker 1: why are you just given a recap of something you

645
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: think is cool? They're just summarizing your old episode for us. Well, yes,

646
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: sort of, but it's within very important update. A possible

647
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Speaker 1: new species of early human has been found, not just

648
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: in one place and not just one species. There's one

649
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Speaker 1: that was recently reported in Israel and there's one that's

650
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Speaker 1: recently been reported in China. Both date around a hundred

651
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: and forty thousand years ago at yeah, and both have

652
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: already again caused quite a splash, like have have you

653
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Speaker 1: guys heard about this. Have you seen this in the news?

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Speaker 1: I heard about one. I guess the dragon man. I think, uh,

655
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Speaker 1: that's the one that was found in China. I believe

656
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: that may or may not be Denisovan. I might be

657
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: wrong here, but it maybe a completely new link. People

658
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: are bucking up. The reason people are The reason academics

659
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: are budding heads about that one in particular is a

660
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Speaker 1: bit of a first some very valid questions and then

661
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Speaker 1: maybe accusations of nationalism on the part of the Chinese

662
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Speaker 1: academic teams. But that's not us accusing them of that.

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Speaker 1: This is more what's in the wind at the moment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the dragon man, let's start there. That is one of

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Speaker 1: the most interesting, perhaps the strangest thing about this, is

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Speaker 1: that this skull was discovered way back in ninety three.

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Speaker 1: There was a construction worker who was helping to build

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Speaker 1: a bridge in a city called Harbin, and while building

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Speaker 1: this bridge in three he discovered this bizarre skull, and

670
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Speaker 1: he recognized it was something important. You don't have to

671
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Speaker 1: be a paleo anthropologist two understand this is mentally rare

672
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: to find a skull like this. That is quite unusual.

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Speaker 1: If you've ever seen the skull of a Homo sapien

674
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Speaker 1: before just four years earlier, for context, researchers had found

675
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Speaker 1: the skull of what was called the Peking Man in Beijing,

676
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Speaker 1: and so appeared it appeared that there was a link.

677
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Speaker 1: There was important research on the horizon. But Japanese authorities

678
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: were occupying this region of China, Northeast China during this time,

679
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: during this discovery. So this guy instead hides it and

680
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: for decades and decades he doesn't tell anyone, and some

681
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: people believe it may have been due to personal shame

682
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: for you know that working with Japanese occupation forces could

683
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Speaker 1: have been seen as collaboration. But either way, fast forward

684
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Speaker 1: eighty five years, what a secret to keep, and this

685
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: skull has been finally turned over to authorities. The scientists

686
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: that are looking at this immediately said, this is a

687
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Speaker 1: new species. We're calling it Homo n or Homo lngi

688
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Speaker 1: l O n g i, and we're gonna nickname it

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Speaker 1: Dragonman because it was discovered near the Dragon River. If

690
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Speaker 1: you look at it, like you guys have seen the skull, right,

691
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Speaker 1: there's a really great there's a really great stimulation of it.

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Speaker 1: I'll drop in the chat that comes to us via

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Speaker 1: Carl zimmer Over at the New York Times, even just

694
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Speaker 1: looking at it on the Science mag article Science mag

695
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Speaker 1: dot org article, just seeing like a profile and or

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Speaker 1: a front on and side shot, and initially I was like,

697
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: what is different about this? Like what doesn't line up?

698
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: And it's it's subtle sort of, but then when you

699
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: really start to zero in on it, it's it's it

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Speaker 1: cannot be mistaken for a Homo sapien skull. Um, What

701
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: was the first thing that caught you about it? Ben?

702
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: That like sort of like grabbed you and like something

703
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: is off about the skull? Uh? Definitely definitely the brow

704
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: bridges the deep set part of the deep set cavities

705
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: for the eyes and if you it looks like definitely

706
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: had a bulbous nos. Uh. It really is such a

707
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: weird way to say this, but guys, trust me, it

708
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: really pops when you see it next to a Homo

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Speaker 1: sapien skull. Correct, Where can you see that? Ben? You

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00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: can see that comparison. I just did like a Google

711
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Speaker 1: image search of a Homo sapien skull and it's kind

712
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: of tabbed back and forth or whatever, But I'm sure. Um,

713
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: but Ben, when you say brow ridges. I mean we're

714
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Speaker 1: literally talking about these cartoon to borrow your word of choice,

715
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: been cartoonish kind of uh like bone eyebrows that they

716
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Speaker 1: really are, these like arcs, these very pronounced thick arches

717
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: above the ice lockets, which are almost square in shape

718
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: the eye sockets. Yeah, and this so this is roughling

719
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: a lot of feathers, This is shaking a lot of bones.

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Speaker 1: There we go. You'll you'll notice that the teeth are missing.

721
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Speaker 1: All all you really have is the skull, the upper jaw,

722
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Speaker 1: the the jawbone is missing as well. The researchers published

723
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Speaker 1: a paper quite recently where they said this was an

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Speaker 1: adult of great size. They said that he probably didn't

725
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Speaker 1: have a he probably had a weaker chin, and that

726
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: his brain was about seven percent larger than the average

727
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: brain of a living person. And then they said that

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Speaker 1: based on what we can tell from this fossil, it

729
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Speaker 1: is a fossil with no DNA by the way, which

730
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: would change the conversation. They said, this fossil its features

731
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: have never been found in any other previously named species

732
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: what's called hominin, which is ultimately you know, everybody's grandparents.

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Speaker 1: And one of the co authors a guy named Christopher

734
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Speaker 1: Stringer argues, this is distinctive enough based on what we

735
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: found to be a different species. It's at least a

736
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Speaker 1: hundred and forty six thousand years old, but it can't

737
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: and it might be as old as three hundred thousands something.

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Speaker 1: This means that if it was around, it could have

739
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Speaker 1: been alive at the same time as the tiny hominins

740
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Speaker 1: like Homo and the lendi in South Africa, the Indonesian

741
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: Homo fluorescences, and even the another smaller hominin discovered in

742
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Speaker 1: the Philippines. The issue here is that without genetic evidence,

743
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: other scholars who are not directly involved in the researchers saying, hey,

744
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: up your brakes. We like we like a good homin

745
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: and ghost story as much as the next, but we

746
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: want to make sure that this is actually a distinct species.

747
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: And this has happened before in research, not necessarily with

748
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: humans as much, but definitely with animals. Someone will discover

749
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: something and you know, they'll call it like Doc Holidays,

750
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: uh magpie or jackdaw or whatever. Then somebody else will

751
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: come back and they'll say, actually, that's I mean, it

752
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: is the kind of raven you find in New Zealand,

753
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: but it's this raven and then someone's like, but I

754
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: named it after me. Uh, that's why it's a dangerous game.

755
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: So right now in China, we've got this thing which

756
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: has the cooler name dragon Man, right, homolongee, And we're

757
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: waiting to see what this means because the current study

758
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: says that this is much more closely related to Homo

759
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: sapien than to Neanderthal, and that it is not Dennis Sylvan.

760
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: But other people are saying, no, this is totally a

761
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: Dennis Sylvan. Remember when those were discovered, there was very

762
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: very little physical evidence, right, it was like a fingerbone,

763
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: a collection of bits, which is what history reduces most

764
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: things too over time. It's terrible. Yeah, well it's time

765
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: for the rain clouds, right. But I would argue matth

766
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: that this is this is exciting stuff because it's already

767
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: forcing people to ask some questions, to challenge some assumptions

768
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: we made about the the path that led very real

769
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: way to you listening to this podcast right now, wherever

770
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: you are, we're talking about people who might be related

771
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: to you. They're probably not going to be at you know,

772
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: they're probably not going to be yet. Our birthdays are barbecues.

773
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: But there is a bigger story here and it is

774
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: it is still to this day untold. You'll notice I

775
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: mentioned Israel and then we cut immediately to write the

776
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: one with the cooler name. No, no, no, your spot

777
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: on man, This is the perfect way to go. I

778
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: would recommend checking out if you want an overview of

779
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: both of these things, I would recommend checking out a

780
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: fantastic article on nature by Nicola Jones, which brings brings

781
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: us a good summation of the current discoveries and then

782
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: the controversy and the questions. So the fossils that came

783
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: from Israel seemed to hint at an unknown, brand new

784
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: group of hominins, and the experts in that case are saying,

785
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: you know what, these are actually the direct ancestors of

786
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: what would later evolve to become Neandertal. But yeah, and

787
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: and furthermore that they lived directly alongside humans, and they

788
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: did a bunch of human stuff, particularly literally using the

789
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: same tools as Homo sapiens lived in the area of

790
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 1: the Lavat at the time. This evidence is a mandible

791
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: and part of a skull found in a place called

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Speaker 1: nesscher Ramla, and this is also setting the world of

793
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: paleo anthropology of flame. Uh this people are still having

794
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: the same questions, you know, and they're still saying, well,

795
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: what if they are just Neandertal said the ancestors. What

796
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: if and what if they just instead of coming from

797
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: Africa they had a reverse migration they have all do

798
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: in Europe and then started making their way to the

799
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Speaker 1: Middle East. I mean, I don't know, what do you guys,

800
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: What do you guys think about this possibility? I actually

801
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: have a compound question. First, what do you think this

802
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 1: means for history? And second is it not a little

803
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: weird that these both were discovered or their their papers

804
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: were published so close together. I think that's the most

805
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: remarkable thing because it's gonna take time and more studying

806
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: to you know, get any kind of definitive answers here,

807
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be difficult to get definitive answers in

808
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: both cases. And it's weird as hell that they just

809
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: came out at the same time. Like what the heck?

810
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: The the the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena report was like on

811
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: its way and this is this is what we get,

812
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: like secrets to our past. Maybe they're all secrets to

813
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: our past. Oh wow, yeah, maybe that's maybe the the

814
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: UFOs will request their bones back. That's that's crazy, I mean,

815
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: but correlations not causation, right. I had to keep beating

816
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: at my head when I was reading this. That's that's

817
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: one thing that you know, a lot of are a

818
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: lot of us listening today. Last though, is well what

819
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Speaker 1: does this mean? You know what I mean, how does

820
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Speaker 1: this effect the price of my like bacon cupcake of

821
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: the Month club? I don't know if there are enough

822
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: bacon cupcakes to sustain that. Well, Like, I know, it's

823
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: silly and cheesy and not plausible, but I really am

824
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: waiting to wake up one morning and just read that

825
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: we have definitively proven that the engineers from planet X

826
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: or wherever, not that planet X, but another one maybe

827
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: really did seed the planet with life at one point

828
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Speaker 1: and did visit for a long time just to check

829
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: and see how things were going. And they're on their

830
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: way back to eliminate all life on Earth. Just because

831
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: distre frenzies just really really am waiting for that. Well,

832
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: it's it is fascinating because you know, there I would

833
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: argue there are tangible potential benefits for the human species

834
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: understanding more of its ancient history. And when I say

835
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: tangible benefits, I don't just mean like a more clear

836
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: explanation of the big story in textbooks. I mean that

837
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: there may be medical realizations that could be applied to

838
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: people today based on you know, based on their own

839
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: ancestry or lineage. That could be a very real thing.

840
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: And is it possible that some of the lessons learned

841
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: there could save lives? I mean maybe right now, it's

842
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: very difficult to say, because these fossils, again do not

843
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: have DNA material. Perhaps Michelle Langley puts it best when

844
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: she's writing for The Wire, where she in her article

845
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Speaker 1: Homo who new mystery human species discovered in Israel, She says,

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Speaker 1: quote in some if we think of the story of

847
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 1: human evolution like an ikea bookcase that isn't quite coming together,

848
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: this discovery is effectively like finding the missing shelf buried

849
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the box. The new nechlar Ramla

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Speaker 1: Homo adds for a better fitting structure, although a few

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Speaker 1: mysterious extra pieces remained to be pondered over. I like that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good analogy. But yeah, but what

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Speaker 1: about the screws that you need for that for that

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Speaker 1: shelf piece like Planet X man, that's how that's how

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Speaker 1: they control it. They leave the they leave the furniture,

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Speaker 1: but they take the screws, screwdrivers. I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm always fascinated by this, Like we could be

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Speaker 1: a little bit buzzfeeding city there were real life Hobbits.

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Speaker 1: But still, like, does does my theory sound crackpot that

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Speaker 1: maybe some legends of near human things come from early

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Speaker 1: interactions with these sort of sister species of I've always

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Speaker 1: thought that you were spot on with that, ben Um.

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Speaker 1: I think it makes a lot of sense. And I

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Speaker 1: think there's probably still stuff and the fossil record as

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Speaker 1: we're seeing that we haven't uncovered yet that could be

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Speaker 1: indications of some of these more um, let's say, fantastical

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Speaker 1: kind of creatures, like the giants for example. That's one

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Speaker 1: that I know that you're super into just in terms

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Speaker 1: of like Cathulu, mythos and like all of that, you know,

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Speaker 1: like the early uh you know, like the pre primordial

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Speaker 1: kind of like mystical universe all of that stuff. Um

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Speaker 1: But I really, I really do believe that, and I

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Speaker 1: think we're seeing a little by little and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of ground to cover, and I mean, I I

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Speaker 1: don't know. And this is the question I would put

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Speaker 1: to you guys, like how much of an emphasis is

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Speaker 1: placed on actual excavation. It seems like, you know, in

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Speaker 1: terms of you know, for oil drilling, say that's an

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Speaker 1: important part you know of like you know, testing areas

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Speaker 1: where you might we might be able to find oil

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Speaker 1: or say mining for precious minerals and the like. But

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Speaker 1: how much pure exploratory archaeology still goes on today? I

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Speaker 1: mean that's still like like now, like it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're canceling archaeology or something like that. But I just

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Speaker 1: can't imagine that if there isn't a massive you know,

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Speaker 1: incentive um and backing by a large corporation, that those

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Speaker 1: kinds of digs are probably fewer and farther between. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's really how it happens now. Well, research grants and

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Speaker 1: then also there are politics that come into play, so

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Speaker 1: you know, research can be tightly monitored in China, right

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Speaker 1: and there there are certain things that would be forbidden

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Speaker 1: as as research topics, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 1: if you went, if you were this is a completely

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Speaker 1: different field. But if you were to say, right, your

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Speaker 1: PhD sociology dissertation on shifting views of what really went

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Speaker 1: down in Tianamen Square, you probably wouldn't get your PhD

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Speaker 1: from a mainland Chinese university. Still a very sensitive topic.

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Speaker 1: And in the Middle East, in in Israel and Palestines specifically,

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Speaker 1: there's a war over history, so different excavations are you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe funded, or people may have like virulently opposed them

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Speaker 1: because that comparatively small piece of the world has so

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Speaker 1: much of early humanity story there. You know, like it's

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Speaker 1: it's um, it's a trip if you're from the US

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Speaker 1: and you go to a place where people have lived

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Speaker 1: in denser populations for a much longer time. You know,

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Speaker 1: like you go to go to England and you think, oh,

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00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: that's right, they found Richard the Third under a parking lot.

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00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: They were just such a hurry. It was only later

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Speaker 1: someone that's not a day on parking lot, Tycoons. But

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Speaker 1: but you see what I mean. Because of this, these

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Speaker 1: things can be enormously controversial at times. They can also,

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Speaker 1: to your point, be quite expensive. That a lot of

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Speaker 1: it is is grant research, and then there's a bit

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Speaker 1: of well sometimes it can be a devil's bargain, can't it.

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00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: So it's clear you know that if you have if

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Speaker 1: your work sparks popular interest, then it has the potential

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Speaker 1: to extend and expand your funding. You know that's that's

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Speaker 1: inarguably true. But then the question is, especially if we're

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Speaker 1: talking about an authoritarian regime like the case with the

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Speaker 1: Chinese government, are you going to be able to remain independent?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Are they going to try

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00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: to subvert your work for something else? You know, almost

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00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: everything can become propaganda. True? True? Uh, So the papers

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Speaker 1: are out now. The the leader of the work on

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Speaker 1: the dragon man is g ng at Hey bai Geo University.

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Speaker 1: You can read that in the journal The Innovation published

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Speaker 1: on June. And in the case of Neshar Ramla, the

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Speaker 1: scientists said on Thursday, the day before the Chinese paper

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Speaker 1: of early huge him in the By the way, this

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00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: their discovery was made at a site that was used

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Speaker 1: by a cement plant. And shout out to the leaders

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Speaker 1: of that study over at Tel Aviv University, particularly Israel Herskovitz,

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Speaker 1: who said that that quote this enables us to make

935
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: new sense of previously found human fossils add another piece

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Speaker 1: to the puzzle of human evolution and understand the migrations

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Speaker 1: of the Old World. Also shout out to the person

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Speaker 1: originally found the fossils, Dr Yosi Zaidner of the Hebrew University.

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Speaker 1: He was exploring the mining area of the plant near

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Speaker 1: the city and then he made this once in a

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Speaker 1: multimillion fine. So. I don't know if Dr Zaidner is

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Speaker 1: a is a gambler, but as we've said on the

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Speaker 1: show before, might be time to buy a lottery ticket

944
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Speaker 1: whose name is not too far off from doctor Zaius

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Speaker 1: from Planet of the Apes. Coincidence, I think so? I

946
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Speaker 1: think so. Correlation or causation. There we have it. What

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Speaker 1: better note to end on. We've gone from the ancient past,

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Speaker 1: through ongoing conspiracies, through tragedy, and to the future where

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