WEBVTT - Roar: The Most Dangerous Movie Ever Made?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here too. And this is a good

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<v Speaker 2>old Stuff you Should Know movie edition, which usually I

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<v Speaker 2>have to say, have generally been pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Had you ever heard of this movie? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't, had you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it's legendary.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you had. I didn't know if that was right

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<v Speaker 2>or not. I looked up to see if anybody had

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<v Speaker 2>written in, and I guess somebody named Ian Tindall had recently.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, right, So in case that happened. Sometimes people

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<v Speaker 2>write in and be like, oh, thanks for doing the

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<v Speaker 2>episode I suggested, and it's something that had been on

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<v Speaker 2>our list already, So that happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes that just happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody wrote in and was like, hey, you didn't thank

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<v Speaker 1>me for this one, and I was like, oh, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Well, that is what happens. So if we

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<v Speaker 2>don't thank you, there's a ninety eight percent chance that

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>We already had it, that's right. But I already had

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<v Speaker 3>this one.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a legendary movie known as the most dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>film ever made from nineteen eighty one. This you know,

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<v Speaker 1>big budget movie that was terrible and never shown in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States much so it's no wonder that you

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't heard of it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I guess yeah, being a movie dude, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the kind of thing. It's like a legendary movie

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. Yeah, especially have you have you seen it?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a guest. Oh no, no, no, no, Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost impossible to find. You could shell out I think

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred bucks on Amazon to buy a DVD of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Alamo draft House re released it in twenty fifteen, which

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<v Speaker 2>generated a lot of buzz and interest in it. But

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<v Speaker 2>they did it in such a way that people used

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<v Speaker 2>to show the room kind of yeah, and then it's

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<v Speaker 2>just not anywhere. It's nowhere. You can see some trailers

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<v Speaker 2>and clips and stuff like that, but the movie itself

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<v Speaker 2>is nowhere. That's kind of a shame, because from what

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell from researching it, it would be something

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<v Speaker 2>to see at least once.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, I don't feel like I'm missing out

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<v Speaker 1>having never seen it all because I've seen tons of

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<v Speaker 1>clips and read about it and stuff, and it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of one of those that to suffer through the entire thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think that's the thing you should do

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<v Speaker 1>with the room, sure, but not necessarily with roar.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, good, Well then I feel a lot better.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just my dumb opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>So all right, Charles, let's tell everybody what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a nineteen eighty one movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Roar.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you said, a lot of people consider it the

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<v Speaker 2>most dangerous film ever made. Why is it the most

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous film ever made? Especially considering there's been plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>movies where people have died making the movie, like Noah's

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<v Speaker 2>Ark from I think the twenties. Three people drowned during

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<v Speaker 2>the real deluge that they filmed. You know, there was

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<v Speaker 2>the Twilight movie, Like people have died. No one died

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<v Speaker 2>on this movie, So why do people call it the

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<v Speaker 2>most dangerous film ever go?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean, in other cases, there have been

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<v Speaker 1>accidents on films that were all, you know, top quality productions,

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<v Speaker 1>where just something happened that was a big mistake. But

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, the actors were purposefully put in peril

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<v Speaker 1>because of just the whole idea of the film to

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<v Speaker 1>begin with. And there's really no way to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it without just sort of telling the story. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>from inception, which was a married couple in Hollywood, the

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<v Speaker 1>great Tippy Hedron from You probably know her from Alfred

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<v Speaker 1>Hitchcock's The Birds most famously, Yeah, and her hubby, Noel Marshall,

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<v Speaker 1>who was her agent and a movie producer. He was

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<v Speaker 1>best known, probably still best known for the Exorcists and

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately roar. Yeah, he kind of rewrote his legacy after

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<v Speaker 1>the Exorcists. But they were married couple who thought of

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<v Speaker 1>this idea because of a trip they took.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So roar is essentially like it's meant to

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<v Speaker 2>generate like good will and stuff among humans toward wild animals,

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<v Speaker 2>right to show them that wild animals are nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>be afraid of. And Tippy Hedron and Noel Marshall had

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<v Speaker 2>a shared love of animals and wildlife that dated all

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<v Speaker 2>the way back to Marshall's youth, I think his teenage

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<v Speaker 2>yeers when he volunteered at the Saint Louis Zoo. And

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<v Speaker 2>I guess as he and Tippy Hedron got together, he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of influenced her. She was already a champion of

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<v Speaker 2>certain social causes, but she hadn't taken up animal welfare yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. You know she had an activist heart.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess always did. And they were in Africa. They

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<v Speaker 1>were in Zimbabwe filming. She was filming a movie. This

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<v Speaker 1>was in nineteen sixty nine. It was a movie called

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<v Speaker 1>Satan's harvest YEP. So you know, her career wasn't at

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<v Speaker 1>his zenith after the Birds. But while they were there,

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<v Speaker 1>they went to Mozambique and went to a game preserve there,

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<v Speaker 1>and a couple of sort of key things came out

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<v Speaker 1>of that game reserve. I guess preserve visit. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's the reserve and a preserve.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, the PA is in parentheses before this, right.

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<v Speaker 1>They saw an abandoned house that had a pride of

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<v Speaker 1>thirty lions living in this home sort of in and out,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like, huh, Like, what an interesting concept,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to be put on film. This looks really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of strange seeing these big cats roaming around a home.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the second thing is that their guide there

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<v Speaker 1>kind of educated them on what was going on with

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<v Speaker 1>the poaching conditions back then, and that really inspired them

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<v Speaker 1>to do something to drive some sort of awareness about

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<v Speaker 1>these beautiful big cats.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was kind of in the air at

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<v Speaker 2>the time too, Like there was a big like jungle

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<v Speaker 2>adventure in Africa like theme going on in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of movies and TV. There's a very popular TV show

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<v Speaker 2>called Duct about a father and daughter veterinary team who

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<v Speaker 2>worked with wildlife in East Africa. And get this, Chuck Daktari,

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<v Speaker 2>which is if a drama was based on a movie

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<v Speaker 2>called Clarence the Cross Eyed Lion.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, poor Clarence, I know, But how do you.

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<v Speaker 2>Get Clarence the Cross Eyed Lion to the serious like

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<v Speaker 2>animal medical drama Doctari. That's a strange transition.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think probably a pretty smart one because Doctari

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<v Speaker 1>was on for a few seasons. Yeah, you know, other

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like Mutual Omaha's Wild Kingdom was big.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there was a general fascination with Africa in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States at the time, so they were bitten

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<v Speaker 1>by that bug. They get back to Hollywood and they said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what if we do this movie? What if we do

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<v Speaker 1>a movie about these big cats? And they pushed the

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<v Speaker 1>idea to some animal trainers and they said, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>really bad eye. It's not practical and it's like super

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous and but caveat.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose if you raise.

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<v Speaker 1>Them together and they all knew each other and they

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<v Speaker 1>were raised with humans, then it might not be as

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous or dumb of an idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so this is the first step that is

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<v Speaker 2>actually a step backward, because I get the impression they

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<v Speaker 2>came back from Africa and just assumed they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to get a bunch of like rent a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>lions and tigers and stuff putting together, you know, knock

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<v Speaker 2>this movie out in a year or something at the most. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not the case. This so they actually started from scratch.

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<v Speaker 2>They got their hands on a lion cub named Neil,

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<v Speaker 2>and they started raising him around the family in the

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<v Speaker 2>house with their teenage children, one of whom was Melanie Griffith.

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<v Speaker 2>She is Tippy Hedron's daughter, and she was like thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>or fourteen when Neil came into the picture and they

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<v Speaker 2>raised him from a cub into this four hundred pound

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<v Speaker 2>family pet, fully grown male African lion Maine and all

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<v Speaker 2>like sleeping in bed with Melanie Griffith at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean this wasn't they didn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>ranch out in the middle of nowhere, right, This was

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<v Speaker 1>in the valley. This is in Sherman Oaks, in their

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish home in Sherman Oaks. So I'm not sure about

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<v Speaker 1>the laws at the time. We'll see that they were

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<v Speaker 1>ordered to get rid of them about a year later.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it was about a year after Life magazine

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy one ran a big photographic feature that

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<v Speaker 1>it was, you know, the very sensational thing. It showed

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<v Speaker 1>all these amazing pictures of life with this four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>pound lion living in the home, like you were saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hanging out.

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<v Speaker 3>By the pool, the kids playing with them.

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<v Speaker 1>And so about a year after that, I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>city stepped in and said, you can't do that in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles even.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and in retrospect, I think in her autobiography, Tippy

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<v Speaker 2>Hedrin later wrote that she realized that this was stupid

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<v Speaker 2>on belief to keep a four hundred pound male lion

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<v Speaker 2>in the house around her family. And like there's pictures

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<v Speaker 2>of her like lounging around with her head on the

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<v Speaker 2>lions like chests and everything. They're both laying on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground together. It is. It's quite a photo spread. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's also got that perfect like late sixties early seventies photo. Lookye,

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<v Speaker 2>you just could not possibly recreate it looks like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really cool. Yeah, but yeah, so they were ordered

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<v Speaker 2>to get rid of the animals. By this time, they'd

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<v Speaker 2>started collecting other lions and started raising them together again,

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<v Speaker 2>with the ultimate goal of filming them all together in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie that they wanted to make. Right, So, instead

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<v Speaker 2>of getting rid of their actors and pets, they bought

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<v Speaker 2>like a ranch in Actin, which is in Solidad Canyon.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess a little north of Los Angeles. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you know where that is, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I had never heard of Actin. Actually it said it

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<v Speaker 1>is forty miles north, but I think I'd heard of

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<v Speaker 1>solid Ad Canyon.

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<v Speaker 3>But and it's new to me. I guess that's where

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<v Speaker 3>you go when you want to raise lions, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The locals leave you alone when you show up with

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of lions, right, And they did. They bought

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of acreage and created a compound. And even

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<v Speaker 2>the compound was bought with an eye toward the ultimate

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<v Speaker 2>goal of making this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they wanted to film it like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as lions who lived in a house. And so they

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<v Speaker 1>created everything was kind of built as a movie set

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<v Speaker 1>to be, so they landscaped it with you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be an Africa set in Africa, so

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<v Speaker 1>they landscaped it with plants and architectural styles that might

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<v Speaker 1>have mimicked southern Africa. They put in an artificial pond,

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<v Speaker 1>and then eventually they would move there a few years

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<v Speaker 1>later in nineteen seventy six and live on the property

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of get to work on that movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was about the year that they started with

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six. I say we take a break and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into actually making the film, because this is about

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<v Speaker 2>the point where things start to get a little bonkers.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, we'll be right back, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get back into it, I have a tippy

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<v Speaker 2>hedron fact that I found. She is the only actress

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<v Speaker 2>to be directed by Hitchcock, Charlie Chaplin, and Edward Jr.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's quite a career.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I like that Ben diagram.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, okay, so we're at the filming, the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of filming. The cameras are rolling, and the cameras just

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<v Speaker 2>kept rolling.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they kept rolling.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, by this point they had more animals, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe you mentioned they started collecting more, but specifically they

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<v Speaker 1>had tigers by that point, they had leopards, they had panthers,

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<v Speaker 1>they had cougars. Notably, they had I mean, this was

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<v Speaker 1>self described by Tippy Hedron.

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<v Speaker 3>Those were just sort of the big cats.

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<v Speaker 1>They also had flamingos and ostriches and storks and swans

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<v Speaker 1>and sheep, and they even had an elephant which made

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<v Speaker 1>an appearance in the movie. And these are all pets

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<v Speaker 1>living there together, again with the aim that they would

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<v Speaker 1>all know one another by that point and be docile

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<v Speaker 1>enough to be you know, animal actors.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But as you would imagine, they had a hard time

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<v Speaker 1>raising money for the project because mainly they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>much of a project except for a loose idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess no they had a bunch of real estate.

0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.760
<v Speaker 2>They ended up self financing this thing mostly so they

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<v Speaker 2>sold a bunch of their real estate to put the

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<v Speaker 2>cash into this film. I think Noel was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the producers on The Exorcists, and he made a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of money off of that. He was essentially an investor

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<v Speaker 2>in it, so we got an executive producer credit. And

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<v Speaker 2>I guess some of the back plum is that what

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<v Speaker 2>it's called back plumb, Yeah, the back end. Sure, the

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<v Speaker 2>back end, but it's plummy.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, he had a bunch of money from the Exorcists.

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<v Speaker 2>They threw that into and they're like, Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be such a cool movie that no one's ever

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<v Speaker 2>done anything like this before. We're just gonna make our

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<v Speaker 2>money back a million times over. And initially the whole idea,

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<v Speaker 2>remember they had seen that pride of lions living in

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<v Speaker 2>this and that was kind of what kicked this off.

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<v Speaker 2>So the whole thing was very lion centric. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think the working titles were Lions or Lions, Lions and

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<v Speaker 2>more Lions. Those are definitely working titles. I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it makes ror look pretty great by comparison it

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<v Speaker 3>a title it does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you could see Noel like dropping his gin and

0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Tonic thinking like I got it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you said.

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<v Speaker 2>They collected a bunch of other animals, some of which

0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.600
<v Speaker 2>do not live in Africa, like Siberian tigers do not

0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.600
<v Speaker 2>live in Africa. But that didn't stop them, so they

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<v Speaker 2>expanded the scope even more because they wanted their whole

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<v Speaker 2>face of big cats and animals to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>star in this movie. So they ended up kind of

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<v Speaker 2>expanding the focus of the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure. They didn't even have a script.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, Marshall was not a writer, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said he invested in The Exorcist. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think anyone ever confused him with a creative in Hollywood, huh.

0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.280
<v Speaker 1>But he did write the script. He got some ideas

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<v Speaker 1>from Tippy. He wrote the script, said he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to direct the film and it was a family adventure,

0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:31.960
<v Speaker 1>so he was going to have all of his family

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<v Speaker 1>in it, which was you know, young Melanie, and then

0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.960
<v Speaker 1>he had two sons from a previous marriage, Jerry and.

0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.440
<v Speaker 3>John, and they were all going to be in it.

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<v Speaker 1>But they were like, we need a real deal, like

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<v Speaker 1>regular lead actor for the male role to play like

0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.760
<v Speaker 1>the patriarch of this family. But they could not get

0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.080
<v Speaker 1>any actor to sign on because again I don't think

0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.360
<v Speaker 1>even people thought it would be that dangerous. Yet they

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<v Speaker 1>just knew it was not a good idea and it

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<v Speaker 1>was bad. The script was terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>So Marshall was like, you know what, I'll just do

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<v Speaker 3>that too, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they were like what is wrong with everybody?

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<v Speaker 2>Between not raising financing or getting a star yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>Noel wrote, directed, and starred in this movie, like you

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<v Speaker 2>were saying, and that, from all of my experience, any

0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.800
<v Speaker 2>movie that is written, directed, and starred in is essentially

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<v Speaker 2>going to be not as good as it would be

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<v Speaker 2>if any one of those were taken out of that equation.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you think, yeah, because there's no one there to

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<v Speaker 2>tell the director or the writer or the lead actor

0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:38.960
<v Speaker 2>don't do this. Like those things are supposed to be

0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.840
<v Speaker 2>checks and balances, like the three branches of government in

0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the United States. So if you have all of them

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<v Speaker 2>together as one, you got a big problem.

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<v Speaker 3>All Right, I disagree, but we'll just walk right past it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I think if you're terrible, then it's a

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<v Speaker 3>bad idea. But there have been plenty of examples of

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<v Speaker 3>great writer, director, actors, and great films.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, name one besides Herbie the Lovebug.

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<v Speaker 3>I like most anything clinice Wood's ever been in.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't fully agree with that, but okay.

0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, I mean that's fine. You can nitpick

0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.560
<v Speaker 1>clinice Wood anyway. Like I said, we don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>debate this point, man.

0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.800
<v Speaker 2>It's just similar. Like the pot is just simmering almost over,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're gonna walk past it, like you said.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think the point why this is bad is

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<v Speaker 1>because he was not a talented human being. Early on, though,

0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Melanie Griffith is like, I don't want to be in

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<v Speaker 1>this movie. I think the direct quote was to her

0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:39.880
<v Speaker 1>mom was I don't want to come out of here

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<v Speaker 1>with half a face. So she backed out. They got

0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.480
<v Speaker 1>her friend to star instead, or friend who was an actor.

0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.040
<v Speaker 1>But eventually she was like, you know what, I guess

0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.720
<v Speaker 1>I will be in the movie. So she came back

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<v Speaker 1>on board and they completely reshot all the scenes. They're

0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.000
<v Speaker 1>just burning through money at this point, ye, but reshot

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<v Speaker 1>the scene so Melanie could be back in the film.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that friend ned who went on to become an

0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.119
<v Speaker 2>award winning Folly artist. And that's right. It's like you said,

0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.240
<v Speaker 2>they're burning through money. Because there's something to remember here

0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:13.080
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't think about until pretty far down the research,

0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Like they were not shooting video, they were not using

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<v Speaker 2>SD cards. They were using actual film stock over and over,

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<v Speaker 2>like all sorts of film stock. And that stuff was expensive,

0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:25.360
<v Speaker 2>wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they you know at one point because

0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.840
<v Speaker 1>they had to essentially just keep cameras rolling and wait

0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.280
<v Speaker 1>for the animals to do something interesting. Yeah, they were

0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.680
<v Speaker 1>shooting you know, six seven, eight cameras at a time

0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.679
<v Speaker 1>sometimes and this was I mean, this is something you

0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.679
<v Speaker 1>routinely see now, but back then you didn't. You know,

0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.080
<v Speaker 1>you maybe had three or four cameras max on like

0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.399
<v Speaker 1>a huge, huge stunt, but rolling that many cameras just

0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:55.520
<v Speaker 1>wasn't what you did typically back then on films, especially

0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:59.120
<v Speaker 1>films of the size, so that they were just burning

0:17:59.119 --> 0:17:59.960
<v Speaker 1>money on film stock.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like you said, the reason why they were

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<v Speaker 2>just running all the times because the cats had zero training,

0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Like you could not tell them like, okay, we need

0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.560
<v Speaker 2>you to jump at this person because in this scene

0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.480
<v Speaker 2>it calls for that. The cats would just look at

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<v Speaker 2>you like I hear like man b bae bit and

0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.879
<v Speaker 2>that's it, Like I don't know what you're saying. So

0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.760
<v Speaker 2>occasionally they would do something interesting enough to use in

0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.240
<v Speaker 2>the film, and then they reverse engineered it and wrote

0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.800
<v Speaker 2>the plot around the stuff that they had filmed the

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<v Speaker 2>cats doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and all the animals.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a scene where the elephant destroys a boat,

0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.480
<v Speaker 1>and that scene is in there because the elephant destroyed

0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.360
<v Speaker 1>a boat, right. It was not planned, but they were like, hey,

0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.119
<v Speaker 1>we got a little bit of production value out of

0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.439
<v Speaker 1>the elephant wrecking that boat, right, so we got to.

0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:49.240
<v Speaker 3>Put it in the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing was is these animals were you know,

0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.400
<v Speaker 1>they were raised in captivity and were used to laying

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<v Speaker 1>around by the pool and laying in bed in a

0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.879
<v Speaker 1>fairly sedate scene. So while they were pretty calm and

0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.600
<v Speaker 1>chill as far as big cats go in the movie,

0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:08.960
<v Speaker 1>when the real human actors are instructed to like yell

0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:13.040
<v Speaker 1>and scream or to run away or something that would

0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.439
<v Speaker 1>incite or excite, rather these animals in ways you know

0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:17.840
<v Speaker 1>that they weren't prepared for either.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I felt bad about that confused them, and

0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.800
<v Speaker 2>that's said. They were like, why are friends you know yelling?

0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know we're we're going to get to

0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.520
<v Speaker 1>some of the darker stuff later. This isn't all just

0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:29.680
<v Speaker 1>like funny.

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<v Speaker 2>No good point. So this whole thing, the entire film

0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:37.280
<v Speaker 2>takes about five years to film, and not just because

0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.399
<v Speaker 2>the animals weren't doing what you'd want them to almost

0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:44.480
<v Speaker 2>all the time. There were some real catastrophes that they

0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:48.639
<v Speaker 2>ran into that were just totally unavoidable. But this is

0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.600
<v Speaker 2>a very dangerous set, Like that is the through line

0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.160
<v Speaker 2>here if you haven't picked up on that. People are

0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:58.200
<v Speaker 2>interacting with you know, domesticated to an extent, but there's

0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:05.760
<v Speaker 2>still very much wild fully grown lions, tigers, leopards, and

0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.399
<v Speaker 2>that's what's going on they're filming that. They're filming like

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.560
<v Speaker 2>the lions jumping on people and attacking people, and so

0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.560
<v Speaker 2>this is like a really dangerous set at the same

0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.280
<v Speaker 2>time because they were using all this stuff, there's a

0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.320
<v Speaker 2>strange realism to the whole thing, especially the violence that

0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.879
<v Speaker 2>the animals inflict on the humans, because it actually was

0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:28.080
<v Speaker 2>what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. I mean they had a hard time

0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:33.200
<v Speaker 1>sustaining funding because of this. They had a hard time

0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.560
<v Speaker 1>sustaining a crew because of this. I think in total

0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.320
<v Speaker 1>over the five years they had about one hundred and

0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:43.080
<v Speaker 1>forty different crew members because people, you know, they would

0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:44.840
<v Speaker 1>get on set, they would work for a little while.

0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Either there would be you know, something terrible and horrifying

0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.439
<v Speaker 1>would happen, or they would just realize, like you know,

0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:51.840
<v Speaker 1>you know when you get on one of those shows

0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.959
<v Speaker 1>where you're just like this is not a professional outfit, right,

0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.320
<v Speaker 1>So get out of there as quickly as I can

0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.479
<v Speaker 1>get something else going. They're shooting it all at this

0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:05.000
<v Speaker 1>compound for Africa there sort of deep outside Los Angeles,

0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 1>and people started getting hurt. I think seventy cast and

0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:13.520
<v Speaker 1>crew members ended up getting injuries. And in the if

0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.840
<v Speaker 1>you look at the Alamo Drafthouse trailer that they put

0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:20.240
<v Speaker 1>out online, at the end, it'll show as they're announcing

0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the cast, it would freeze frame on that cast member

0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and in parentheses like give their name and then say

0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of what their most major injury was on set.

0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Right, Probably the biggest one was Yon Debance. You probably

0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.840
<v Speaker 2>recognize him from such films as Heart of a Champion,

0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:43.800
<v Speaker 2>The ray Mancini Story, or Roar. But he was the

0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:48.640
<v Speaker 2>cinematographer for this movie and he took it like three

0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:53.040
<v Speaker 2>weeks after this whole thing started. He got it bad

0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:57.480
<v Speaker 2>where a lion essentially scalped him from the back half

0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:59.119
<v Speaker 2>of his head backward.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, two hundred and twenty stitches. But he would complete

0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the film and before you start emailing us, I gotta

0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:10.920
<v Speaker 1>stem the tide, Josh. Unfortunately, Yon Debant is very much

0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:14.600
<v Speaker 1>known for being a big time action movie director. Oh yeah, yeah,

0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:18.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean you were kidding, right, yeah, okay, just making sure.

0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:21.240
<v Speaker 1>He directed Speed and Twister and some other, you know,

0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:23.320
<v Speaker 1>very big movies later on. But this was his first

0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.520
<v Speaker 1>film in the United States, and I think that's probably

0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.520
<v Speaker 1>why he kept coming back, because it was his first

0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:31.600
<v Speaker 1>film in the States, and maybe he didn't think it

0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:33.920
<v Speaker 1>would be such idea to quit his first movie here.

0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, because that's a really good point. He was

0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:41.479
<v Speaker 2>a very talented cinematographer by this time. Like that's one

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:43.359
<v Speaker 2>of the other things he's very well known for, not

0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.320
<v Speaker 2>just directing. So like this movie, this, like you said,

0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:51.760
<v Speaker 2>completely like unprofessional outfit where the writer, director, and star

0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:54.919
<v Speaker 2>has no experience in any of those fields, has a

0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:58.359
<v Speaker 2>world class cinematographer working for it, which makes the whole

0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.119
<v Speaker 2>thing even that much more bizarre when you watch it.

0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.080
<v Speaker 3>Apparently, Yeah, for sure.

0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 1>So you know, speaking of John Marshall, I believe he

0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:09.919
<v Speaker 1>was one of the sons. He got bit on the

0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:12.919
<v Speaker 1>head he tripped and fell during a scene. And of

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.720
<v Speaker 1>course again this you know, I don't think we mentioned

0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:18.359
<v Speaker 1>that not only were the animals not prepared for some

0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.240
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff, but they didn't have a full staff

0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:25.600
<v Speaker 1>of animal wranglers on hand, like anytime you have a

0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:27.919
<v Speaker 1>I mean it really depends, but if it's like a

0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.320
<v Speaker 1>big cat or something like this, you've got a team

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:33.119
<v Speaker 1>of people there for each one, right, and you know

0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:35.879
<v Speaker 1>they had some help, but they weren't staff like they

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:36.399
<v Speaker 1>needed to be.

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:39.120
<v Speaker 2>No, And I think those are also the same crew

0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:41.000
<v Speaker 2>that kind of came and went over time. They were

0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:42.960
<v Speaker 2>like this, this is nutstude. I don't want to have

0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 2>anything to do with this.

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, they didn't want their name on this thing

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:47.359
<v Speaker 3>because they saw where it was going.

0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:50.159
<v Speaker 2>So Melanie Griffith, who said that she didn't want to

0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:53.320
<v Speaker 2>come out of this with half a face, came very

0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:56.880
<v Speaker 2>close to that. Actually, she got clawed by her eye.

0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:01.920
<v Speaker 2>She needed fifty stitches. She also had to undergo cosmetic

0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 2>surgery to kind of reconstruct that part of her face. Yeah,

0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:07.159
<v Speaker 2>that made it into the movie.

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that scene, I mean that was a very believable

0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:12.280
<v Speaker 3>tax scene.

0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So you got a clumsy plot and actors, you

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 2>have a great cinematographer, and now also you have genuine

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:24.720
<v Speaker 2>terror and blood that shows up in this essentially what's

0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be like a kind of wacky comedy family adventure.

0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, there were two cases of Gangreen from

0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:37.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, getting bitten by infected cat mouths. Tippy Hedron

0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:42.120
<v Speaker 1>was one. She got a lion bite, got Gangreen. I'm

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:43.720
<v Speaker 1>not sure where she got it, but she ended up

0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 1>getting skin grass. There was also a scene where she

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:52.280
<v Speaker 1>was riding on Timbo the elephant, and this animal wasn't

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.840
<v Speaker 1>used to being ridden and like have somebody like shouting

0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like she was, so it threw her off,

0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 1>fractured her ankle. And then Noel, the star and the

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 1>director and madman behind all this, he got the other

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:05.480
<v Speaker 1>case of Gangreen.

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:08.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Tippy Hedron getting thrown from the elephant and breaking

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:10.920
<v Speaker 2>your ankle. That made it into the movie as well.

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I know Noel got a bite on the hand trying

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:18.960
<v Speaker 2>to break up a fight between lions and started bleeding.

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.920
<v Speaker 2>That made it into the movie as well. So all

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:24.719
<v Speaker 2>of this stuff is just showing up. Two crew members

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 2>lost digits. Like over a six year period, people kept

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 2>coming back, Like the core, people kept coming back and

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:33.919
<v Speaker 2>coming back and coming back. There's one other thing to

0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:37.920
<v Speaker 2>keep in mind. To Charles, this was supposed to take place.

0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 2>The action in the movie takes place over what maybe

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:45.919
<v Speaker 2>like a few days, weeks, months tops. The actors involved

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.919
<v Speaker 2>are all aging, like over the course of several years,

0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:51.879
<v Speaker 2>some of them teenagers under Like you really undergo some

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:56.639
<v Speaker 2>serious like outward changes over like a few years in

0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 2>your teens, and they had to kind of like deal

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:03.120
<v Speaker 2>with that as well. This is like reverse boyhood essentially.

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. There was also a flash flood which

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:10.679
<v Speaker 1>damaged some fencing. This is nineteen seventy eight, so this

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:12.680
<v Speaker 1>is like two and a half years into this thing,

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:16.239
<v Speaker 1>and it damaged some of the fencing such that some

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 1>of these big cats escaped.

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:20.840
<v Speaker 3>This is some of the darker stuff as far.

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:22.879
<v Speaker 1>As the animals are concerned, because they really played up

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 1>the idea that no animals were hurt in the filming

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 1>of this, like only humans. But they recovered most of

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:35.080
<v Speaker 1>those animals, but allegedly the deputies there ended up having

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>to shoot and kill three lions. Yeah, and there was

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:43.440
<v Speaker 1>also a situation where I think there was a disease

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 1>that spread through the.

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:47.120
<v Speaker 3>Cat community and some of them died.

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to get like good verification on that, but

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I see plenty of places that claim that happened.

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Right, And technically none of this happened during filming. But yeah, yeah,

0:26:57.680 --> 0:26:59.199
<v Speaker 2>I think that's just part of a problem. When you

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 2>have hundreds of like big cats all living together, that's

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>not how they live. That flood you mentioned they had

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:11.479
<v Speaker 2>like twenty minutes of filming left. I think when there

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:13.879
<v Speaker 2>was a wildfire they were down to like seven minutes

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.000
<v Speaker 2>something like that. And it just kept getting set back

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:21.119
<v Speaker 2>and set back. That flood was so destructive that it

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.959
<v Speaker 2>destroyed a lot of the vegetation and that made up

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 2>the set, so they had to replant and then wait

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:30.200
<v Speaker 2>for it to grow back again. It just kept getting

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 2>set back and set back. I have the impression, and

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:35.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you got the same impression that

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 2>Tippy Heeddron and Noel Marshall were so deep into this

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 2>financially that they couldn't walk away. They had to finish

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 2>this because it was it had to be a hit

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 2>or else they were in serious financial trouble. Did you

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 2>get that same impression?

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:53.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, who knows what's going on.

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 1>It's either that or just like the Madman thing takes over, right,

0:27:57.720 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 1>But I bet I know that. You know, they certainly

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 1>had no chance of recovering any money if they stopped,

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and they knew that too, and they were close to

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:06.920
<v Speaker 1>being done. Like you said, they did finally finish in

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>the fall of seventy nine. They had to shoot a

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 1>little bit in Africa, but most everything was taking place

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:17.399
<v Speaker 1>there at their ranch, and they spent and this was

0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:22.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, late seventies money, about seventeen million dollars, which

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 1>is almost what Raiders of the Lost Art cost. So

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:30.120
<v Speaker 1>they're definitely not getting their production value. And I'm sure

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of that seventeen million was just you know,

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 1>wasted money, like film stock and rebuilding things and just

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 1>waiting around and waiting around and paying crew while you're

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 1>waiting around.

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I can't imagine that seventeen million

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 2>dollars worth of production value made it into Roar from

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 2>everything I've seen, you.

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Know, I don't think seven hundred thousand dollars worth of

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>production value except I guess Yandubont shooting some nice looking

0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>stuff probably for sure.

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 2>So they finally finished filming, they get it edited, it's

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 2>all ready to go. They've like got their hands together,

0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>they're rubbing their hands. They're ready to start making some

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 2>money back. And they cannot find anyone in the United

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 2>States to sign on as a distributor, which is a

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>huge problem, especially back then you had no streaming services whatsoever.

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Like the way you saw a movie was to go

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 2>to a movie theater, and the way you got your

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 2>movie in movie theaters was by having a contract with

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 2>the distributor to get that movie out to movie theaters

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 2>so that you could have money coming back in. They

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 2>did not have that in the United States. They never

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 2>got it in the US.

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>No, no release in the US.

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 3>It was a non union production, so that had something

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 3>to do with it.

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 1>But really the deal was it was just a really

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>bad movie, sure, and nobody wanted to release it. I

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>think even at the time they didn't think like if

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 1>a distributor doesn't even think they can get it back

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 1>based on how notorious you can trump up the advertising

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>of like the most dangerous film ever made. Like it

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>was really that bad that they couldn't even get like

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 1>cult B movie status going for it, you know.

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>No, And there was a lot of buzz too. I

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 2>read some of the press tour that Tippy Heedron was

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 2>doing in nineteen seventy nine to help, you know, pump

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:11.400
<v Speaker 2>up the release of the movie, and like it was

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 2>widely discussed. Apparently it was. It was shown widely in

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 2>the UK and Ireland. But even all that, it was

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 2>I think it grossed two million dollars worldwide. Yeah, so

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 2>they lost fifteen million dollars just out of the gate.

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:30.400
<v Speaker 2>And because it was never shown almost anywhere else, especially

0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 2>after its first run, they had like there's that was it.

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 2>That's all they ever made off of it, Like they

0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 2>haven't slowly been making their money back. It just ended

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 2>its life right then and there after it limped out

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 2>of the last theater in the UK.

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 3>That's right, let's stick our second break.

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll be right back with a

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 1>little bit more believe it or not about Roar right

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 1>after this.

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 3>All right, we're back.

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>More about Roar, which by the way, was about one

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>hundred minutes long. Livia did the great service of trying

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 1>to break down, even without seeing it, the plot of

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>this whole movie. I don't think we should kind of

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>go over that because maybe spoilers if people want to

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>try and find this thing, but almost certainly more because

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 1>it's not a very good movie at all.

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 3>Sure, but just loosely.

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 1>It was a plot about an eccentric American scientist who

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 1>spent a few years living in Tanzania's where it was

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>set and then having his family come out there, and

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was really about that simple, like these people.

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a mistaken communication where the family comes

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 1>right as the dad has gone to go to the airport,

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>so they walk into the scene where all these lions

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 1>and it's really that bad.

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Like that's kind of the plot of the movie.

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the overall theme of the movie is that

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 2>this doctor, in the time that he's been living in Tanzania,

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:22.719
<v Speaker 2>started living among the wild animals he's studying and become

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 2>like a family with them. Now his family who hasn't

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 2>been living with these animals is showing up, and this

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 2>is I think what I understand is that you start

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>to see the process of them kind of coming around

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>through all the attacks and hijinks and all that stuff,

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 2>until the overall message is if you treat wild animals

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>in a friendly manner, they're going to be friendly. If

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 2>you are scared of them and you treat them hostily,

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>they're going to respond as such. The thing about this

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 2>is I think it was Richard Brody from The New

0:32:56.080 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Yorker he points out that just consistently throughout the movie,

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 2>this message is contradicted time after time after time where

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 2>people are being friendly to these animals and the animals

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 2>are like drawing blood and attacking them on screen in

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 2>the movie. So the message itself was flawed out of

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the gate, even though it was an admirable one.

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Another big flaw was that it was sort of a

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>genre less film. Yeah, parts of it seem like home movies,

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>parts of it seem like comedy, Like a couple of

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>the attacks are played as straight up comedic, parts of

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 1>it are played up for the true terror. And the

0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>score even is all over the place, So the score

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>sometimes feels like a horror movie and the score sometimes

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:47.040
<v Speaker 1>feels like a comedy. I think Tippy Hendrid says they

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>based some of the stuff on old slapstick silent comedies,

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 1>so it was completely rudderless. And that critic that you

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 1>talked about, Richard Brody, one of his quotes was kind

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>of back this up. He said, Marshall doesn't quite seem

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>aware of the forms he's using.

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 3>So it was just a big mess.

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, big mess. I think that should be like the tagline, right,

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I guess if you're like I got to

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 2>see this, there are stuff, there are things you can

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 2>see online, but you're just unless you're gonna show out

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 2>a hundred bucks, you're not gonna see the whole movie.

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:24.399
<v Speaker 2>One of the cool things about this though, is from

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 2>the outset, Tippy Heedron and Noel Marshall were not just

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 2>about like, let's just make a bunch of money exploiting animals.

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 2>They one of their stated purposes of making war was

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 2>to take some a significant amount of the proceeds and

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 2>put it toward wild animal welfare. And they put their

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 2>money where their mouth is, even though they lost a

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:47.800
<v Speaker 2>bunch of money, and they basically turned their compound into

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 2>a place called the Cats of Shambala, which is like

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 2>they presented as a place of peace between animals and

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 2>humans where they can come together in harmony. It's still

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 2>around today, and it's the home of the Roar Foundation,

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 2>which is also still around today, which is still promoting

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 2>money and lobbying for legislation on behalf of animal welfare.

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, I mean that is when positive. They

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.319
<v Speaker 1>would get divorced about a year after this movie, and

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:20.840
<v Speaker 1>he continued to support the Shambala project even after that,

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 1>which was a good thing. But I don't want to

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:26.960
<v Speaker 1>paint Marshall is like some great dude because you know,

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 1>reading some of the accounts, it seems like he had

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 1>a definite anger problem, was possibly violent with his own family.

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Definitely there were moments where his you know, fourteen fifteen

0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 1>year old stepdaughter is like really upset and crying and

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:45.359
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to continue, and he's forcing her back into

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 1>these scenes.

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 3>So he was not a good dude.

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 1>So I don't want to portray this as just like

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.319
<v Speaker 1>sort of a fun family project gone wrong.

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. There was an interview with his son John around

0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 2>the time that this was re released by draft House

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Films in twenty fifteen where John was like, you know,

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 2>we all had safe words that we could use when

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 2>we were filming if we were uncomfortable, that we could get,

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, removed from that situation and filming would stop.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said there was at least one time when

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<v Speaker 2>Melanie used her safe word and Noel just ignored it

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<v Speaker 2>and made everybody keep filming. So yeah, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>was that's definitely worth pointing out for sure. But like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, I mean, he's known for being an executive

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<v Speaker 2>producer investor on the Exorcist, and he's known for ror

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<v Speaker 2>and he will always be known for Roor from what

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure, that's his legacy.

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty five, it got a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>attention because the Today Show had Tippy Hedron on because

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<v Speaker 1>she had written a book, her autobiography or at least

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<v Speaker 1>about this, The Cats of Shambala, So she was on

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<v Speaker 1>there promoting that, they showed clips from Roor and so

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<v Speaker 1>it got a little bit of attention in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States at the time and then was kind of not

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<v Speaker 1>heard from again until Draft House Films. Yeah, came along,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, in twenty fifteen, and you know, played

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<v Speaker 1>it up for what it was, which is a pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>Bad, I mean B movie at best.

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<v Speaker 1>I think most B movies usually even have more of

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<v Speaker 1>a plot than this thing did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They that's where the tagline the most dangerous film

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<v Speaker 2>ever made came from, which is very popular these days.

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<v Speaker 2>And they also were the ones that came up with

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<v Speaker 2>No animals were harmed during the making of Roar, but

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<v Speaker 2>seventy members of the cast and crew were, and Tippy

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<v Speaker 2>Hedron apparently was not at all happy about the I'm

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>sure this portrayal, and the Roor Foundation asked not to

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<v Speaker 2>speak publicly about it. Apparently she was that mad about it.

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<v Speaker 2>There is an Animal Planet documentary. I couldn't find that either,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was called Roar, the Most Dangerous Movie ever made.

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<v Speaker 2>It came out in twenty seventeen, and then there's been reviews,

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<v Speaker 2>especially after Alamo or the Draft House released it in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen. A lot of like those kind of online

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:07.359
<v Speaker 2>reviewers who just love like terrible movies, really sank their

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<v Speaker 2>teeth into this, if you'll excuse that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think my favorite one is from Under the Radar,

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<v Speaker 1>it said, based on his reputation alone, nineteen eighty one's

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<v Speaker 1>Roar is the citizen Kane of films where actors were

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<v Speaker 1>mauled by lions. That's pretty good.

0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 2>Drew mcweeney also had a pretty memorable quote. They said

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<v Speaker 2>that it feels like Walt Disney decided to make a

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<v Speaker 2>snuff version of Swiss Family Robinson.

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<v Speaker 3>That's kind of on point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I mean, if you are like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>care about any of this. I just want to help

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<v Speaker 2>the big cats. Like I said, the Shambala Preserve is

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<v Speaker 2>still around, The RAR Foundation is around, and they're accepting donations.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're down to like nine big cats now.

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 2>They've definitely whittled it down I'm guessing that the other

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<v Speaker 2>big cats kind of died of natural causes over time, hopefully.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, there you go. And Tippy Hedron's still alive.

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 2>She's coming up on her one hundredth birthday in twenty thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I hope she doesn't listen to this.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we did it justice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is exactly probably what she doesn't want to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's true. Well, if you're listening, Tippy, hats off

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 2>to you. And since I did our annual hats off

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<v Speaker 2>to Tippy Hedron, I just unlocked blistener mail.

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<v Speaker 3>For a second, I thought you're gonna say Tippy of

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<v Speaker 3>the hat to you.

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<v Speaker 2>After all the times we've done that too, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>believe we've never come up with that before.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to call this shouting out a good little

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 1>thing that this company's doing because we heard from Robin

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<v Speaker 1>about a company.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, let me just read it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, So listen to you from the mountains of

0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 1>western North Carolina near Asheville, and I just listened to

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<v Speaker 1>the Mangroves episode, notably one of my favorite trees, and

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:57.240
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to share information that's me talking about, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to share information on.

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<v Speaker 1>A company called man mang Gear m A n G Gear.

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 1>They make SPF shirts and for every shirt they sell,

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<v Speaker 1>they plan a mangrove tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a nonprofit started by two brothers. And when you

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<v Speaker 1>do this they send you a certificate the GPS coordinates

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:16.799
<v Speaker 1>of the location cool where your mangrove was planted. After

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 1>listening to the episode, it couldn't help it share in

0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 1>case you wanted to do show some support to their work.

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<v Speaker 1>I listen all the time. Every episode is chock full

0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 1>of information, facts and history. And let's not forget you

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<v Speaker 1>both are great hosts and make the show so interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice And that is from Robin maw to lick and

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<v Speaker 1>just go to mang gear dot com. That would be

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<v Speaker 1>m A n G g e r dot com and

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<v Speaker 1>check out those SPF shirts if you want to have

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<v Speaker 1>a mangrove tree planet in your honor.

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<v Speaker 2>That was smart to add the extra G or else

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<v Speaker 2>they might not have gotten what they were doing across

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 2>very well if it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's a website called mang gear that sells

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 1>puba care shavers and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, yeah, who was that Robin?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thanks a lot, Robin. That was a great shout out,

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<v Speaker 2>and thanks to the people at mangear who are doing

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:09.480
<v Speaker 2>God's work and using GPS which we did an episode

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<v Speaker 2>on and I guess if you want to get in

0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:14.279
<v Speaker 2>touch with this like Robin did, you can send us

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