1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too. And this is a good 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: old Stuff you Should Know movie edition, which usually I 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: have to say, have generally been pretty good. 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. Had you ever heard of this movie? No? 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: I haven't, had you. 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's legendary. 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 2: Okay, you had. I didn't know if that was right 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: or not. I looked up to see if anybody had 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: written in, and I guess somebody named Ian Tindall had recently. 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: Oh really, right, So in case that happened. Sometimes people 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: write in and be like, oh, thanks for doing the 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: episode I suggested, and it's something that had been on 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: our list already, So that happened. 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: Sometimes that just happened. 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: Somebody wrote in and was like, hey, you didn't thank 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: me for this one, and I was like, oh, sorry, 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: I didn't. 20 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: You know, Well, that is what happens. So if we 21 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: don't thank you, there's a ninety eight percent chance that 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: we didn't. 23 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 3: We already had it, that's right. But I already had 24 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 3: this one. 25 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: This is a legendary movie known as the most dangerous 26 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: film ever made from nineteen eighty one. This you know, 27 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: big budget movie that was terrible and never shown in 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: the United States much so it's no wonder that you 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: hadn't heard of it. 30 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 2: No, but I guess yeah, being a movie dude, this 31 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: is the kind of thing. It's like a legendary movie 32 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, especially have you have you seen it? 33 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: That's a guest. Oh no, no, no, no, Yeah, it's 34 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: almost impossible to find. You could shell out I think 35 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: one hundred bucks on Amazon to buy a DVD of it. 36 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: Don't do that. 37 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: Alamo draft House re released it in twenty fifteen, which 38 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: generated a lot of buzz and interest in it. But 39 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: they did it in such a way that people used 40 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: to show the room kind of yeah, and then it's 41 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: just not anywhere. It's nowhere. You can see some trailers 42 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: and clips and stuff like that, but the movie itself 43 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: is nowhere. That's kind of a shame, because from what 44 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: I can tell from researching it, it would be something 45 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: to see at least once. 46 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I don't feel like I'm missing out 47 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: having never seen it all because I've seen tons of 48 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: clips and read about it and stuff, and it's kind 49 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: of one of those that to suffer through the entire thing. 50 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: You know, I think that's the thing you should do 51 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: with the room, sure, but not necessarily with roar. 52 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, good, Well then I feel a lot better. 53 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, just my dumb opinion. 54 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: So all right, Charles, let's tell everybody what we're talking about. 55 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: It's a nineteen eighty one movie. 56 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: Roar. 57 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 2: Like you said, a lot of people consider it the 58 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: most dangerous film ever made. Why is it the most 59 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: dangerous film ever made? Especially considering there's been plenty of 60 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: movies where people have died making the movie, like Noah's 61 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: Ark from I think the twenties. Three people drowned during 62 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: the real deluge that they filmed. You know, there was 63 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: the Twilight movie, Like people have died. No one died 64 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: on this movie, So why do people call it the 65 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 2: most dangerous film ever go? 66 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, in other cases, there have been 67 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: accidents on films that were all, you know, top quality productions, 68 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: where just something happened that was a big mistake. But 69 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: in this case, the actors were purposefully put in peril 70 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: because of just the whole idea of the film to 71 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: begin with. And there's really no way to talk about 72 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: it without just sort of telling the story. I guess 73 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: from inception, which was a married couple in Hollywood, the 74 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: great Tippy Hedron from You probably know her from Alfred 75 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: Hitchcock's The Birds most famously, Yeah, and her hubby, Noel Marshall, 76 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: who was her agent and a movie producer. He was 77 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: best known, probably still best known for the Exorcists and 78 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: unfortunately roar. Yeah, he kind of rewrote his legacy after 79 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: the Exorcists. But they were married couple who thought of 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: this idea because of a trip they took. 81 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So roar is essentially like it's meant to 82 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: generate like good will and stuff among humans toward wild animals, 83 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: right to show them that wild animals are nothing to 84 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 2: be afraid of. And Tippy Hedron and Noel Marshall had 85 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: a shared love of animals and wildlife that dated all 86 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: the way back to Marshall's youth, I think his teenage 87 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: yeers when he volunteered at the Saint Louis Zoo. And 88 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 2: I guess as he and Tippy Hedron got together, he 89 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 2: kind of influenced her. She was already a champion of 90 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 2: certain social causes, but she hadn't taken up animal welfare yet. 91 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. You know she had an activist heart. 92 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: I guess always did. And they were in Africa. They 93 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: were in Zimbabwe filming. She was filming a movie. This 94 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: was in nineteen sixty nine. It was a movie called 95 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: Satan's harvest YEP. So you know, her career wasn't at 96 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: his zenith after the Birds. But while they were there, 97 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: they went to Mozambique and went to a game preserve there, 98 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: and a couple of sort of key things came out 99 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: of that game reserve. I guess preserve visit. I guess 100 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: it's the reserve and a preserve. 101 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 3: Huh. 102 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: Sure, the PA is in parentheses before this, right. 103 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: They saw an abandoned house that had a pride of 104 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: thirty lions living in this home sort of in and out, 105 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: and they were like, huh, Like, what an interesting concept, 106 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: you know, to be put on film. This looks really 107 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: kind of strange seeing these big cats roaming around a home. 108 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: And then the second thing is that their guide there 109 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: kind of educated them on what was going on with 110 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: the poaching conditions back then, and that really inspired them 111 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: to do something to drive some sort of awareness about 112 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: these beautiful big cats. 113 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was kind of in the air at 114 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: the time too, Like there was a big like jungle 115 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: adventure in Africa like theme going on in a lot 116 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: of movies and TV. There's a very popular TV show 117 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: called Duct about a father and daughter veterinary team who 118 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 2: worked with wildlife in East Africa. And get this, Chuck Daktari, 119 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: which is if a drama was based on a movie 120 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: called Clarence the Cross Eyed Lion. 121 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 3: Oh, poor Clarence, I know, But how do you. 122 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: Get Clarence the Cross Eyed Lion to the serious like 123 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: animal medical drama Doctari. That's a strange transition. 124 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think probably a pretty smart one because Doctari 125 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: was on for a few seasons. Yeah, you know, other 126 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: stuff like Mutual Omaha's Wild Kingdom was big. 127 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 3: And I think you're right. 128 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: I think there was a general fascination with Africa in 129 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: the United States at the time, so they were bitten 130 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: by that bug. They get back to Hollywood and they said, hey, 131 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: what if we do this movie? What if we do 132 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: a movie about these big cats? And they pushed the 133 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: idea to some animal trainers and they said, that's a 134 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: really bad eye. It's not practical and it's like super 135 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: dangerous and but caveat. 136 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 3: I suppose if you raise. 137 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: Them together and they all knew each other and they 138 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: were raised with humans, then it might not be as 139 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: dangerous or dumb of an idea. 140 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so this is the first step that is 141 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: actually a step backward, because I get the impression they 142 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: came back from Africa and just assumed they were going 143 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: to get a bunch of like rent a bunch of 144 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: lions and tigers and stuff putting together, you know, knock 145 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: this movie out in a year or something at the most. Yeah, 146 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: that's not the case. This so they actually started from scratch. 147 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: They got their hands on a lion cub named Neil, 148 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: and they started raising him around the family in the 149 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: house with their teenage children, one of whom was Melanie Griffith. 150 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: She is Tippy Hedron's daughter, and she was like thirteen 151 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: or fourteen when Neil came into the picture and they 152 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: raised him from a cub into this four hundred pound 153 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: family pet, fully grown male African lion Maine and all 154 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: like sleeping in bed with Melanie Griffith at the time. 155 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean this wasn't they didn't have a 156 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: ranch out in the middle of nowhere, right, This was 157 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: in the valley. This is in Sherman Oaks, in their 158 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: Spanish home in Sherman Oaks. So I'm not sure about 159 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: the laws at the time. We'll see that they were 160 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: ordered to get rid of them about a year later. 161 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: In fact, it was about a year after Life magazine 162 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one ran a big photographic feature that 163 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: it was, you know, the very sensational thing. It showed 164 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: all these amazing pictures of life with this four hundred 165 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: pound lion living in the home, like you were saying, 166 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, hanging out. 167 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 3: By the pool, the kids playing with them. 168 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: And so about a year after that, I guess the 169 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: city stepped in and said, you can't do that in 170 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: Los Angeles even. 171 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: No, and in retrospect, I think in her autobiography, Tippy 172 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: Hedrin later wrote that she realized that this was stupid 173 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: on belief to keep a four hundred pound male lion 174 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: in the house around her family. And like there's pictures 175 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: of her like lounging around with her head on the 176 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: lions like chests and everything. They're both laying on the 177 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: ground together. It is. It's quite a photo spread. And 178 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 2: it's also got that perfect like late sixties early seventies photo. Lookye, 179 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: you just could not possibly recreate it looks like that. 180 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 2: It's really cool. Yeah, but yeah, so they were ordered 181 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: to get rid of the animals. By this time, they'd 182 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: started collecting other lions and started raising them together again, 183 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: with the ultimate goal of filming them all together in 184 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: this movie that they wanted to make. Right, So, instead 185 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: of getting rid of their actors and pets, they bought 186 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: like a ranch in Actin, which is in Solidad Canyon. 187 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 2: I guess a little north of Los Angeles. I'm sure 188 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: you know where that is, right. 189 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: I had never heard of Actin. Actually it said it 190 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: is forty miles north, but I think I'd heard of 191 00:09:58,720 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: solid Ad Canyon. 192 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: But and it's new to me. I guess that's where 193 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: you go when you want to raise lions, right. 194 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: The locals leave you alone when you show up with 195 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: a bunch of lions, right, And they did. They bought 196 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: a bunch of acreage and created a compound. And even 197 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 2: the compound was bought with an eye toward the ultimate 198 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: goal of making this movie. 199 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they wanted to film it like, you know, 200 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: as lions who lived in a house. And so they 201 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: created everything was kind of built as a movie set 202 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: to be, so they landscaped it with you know, it 203 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: was supposed to be an Africa set in Africa, so 204 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: they landscaped it with plants and architectural styles that might 205 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: have mimicked southern Africa. They put in an artificial pond, 206 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: and then eventually they would move there a few years 207 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: later in nineteen seventy six and live on the property 208 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: and kind of get to work on that movie. 209 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was about the year that they started with 210 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: seventy six. I say we take a break and we'll 211 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: get into actually making the film, because this is about 212 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: the point where things start to get a little bonkers. 213 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 3: That's right, we'll be right back, Chuck. 214 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: Before we get back into it, I have a tippy 215 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: hedron fact that I found. She is the only actress 216 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: to be directed by Hitchcock, Charlie Chaplin, and Edward Jr. 217 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: Nice. 218 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's quite a career. 219 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that Ben diagram. 220 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, so we're at the filming, the beginning 221 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 2: of filming. The cameras are rolling, and the cameras just 222 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: kept rolling. 223 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, they kept rolling. 224 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: You know, by this point they had more animals, I 225 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: believe you mentioned they started collecting more, but specifically they 226 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: had tigers by that point, they had leopards, they had panthers, 227 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: they had cougars. Notably, they had I mean, this was 228 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: self described by Tippy Hedron. 229 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: Those were just sort of the big cats. 230 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: They also had flamingos and ostriches and storks and swans 231 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: and sheep, and they even had an elephant which made 232 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: an appearance in the movie. And these are all pets 233 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: living there together, again with the aim that they would 234 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: all know one another by that point and be docile 235 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: enough to be you know, animal actors. 236 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 237 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: But as you would imagine, they had a hard time 238 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: raising money for the project because mainly they didn't have 239 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: much of a project except for a loose idea. 240 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 2: I guess no they had a bunch of real estate. 241 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: They ended up self financing this thing mostly so they 242 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 2: sold a bunch of their real estate to put the 243 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: cash into this film. I think Noel was one of 244 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 2: the producers on The Exorcists, and he made a bunch 245 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 2: of money off of that. He was essentially an investor 246 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: in it, so we got an executive producer credit. And 247 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: I guess some of the back plum is that what 248 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: it's called back plumb, Yeah, the back end. Sure, the 249 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: back end, but it's plummy. 250 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 3: Okay. 251 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: Anyway, he had a bunch of money from the Exorcists. 252 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: They threw that into and they're like, Okay, this is 253 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: gonna be such a cool movie that no one's ever 254 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: done anything like this before. We're just gonna make our 255 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: money back a million times over. And initially the whole idea, 256 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: remember they had seen that pride of lions living in 257 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: this and that was kind of what kicked this off. 258 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: So the whole thing was very lion centric. But I 259 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: think the working titles were Lions or Lions, Lions and 260 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 2: more Lions. Those are definitely working titles. I think. 261 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes ror look pretty great by comparison it 262 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 3: a title it does. 263 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you could see Noel like dropping his gin and 264 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: Tonic thinking like I got it. 265 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you said. 266 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: They collected a bunch of other animals, some of which 267 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: do not live in Africa, like Siberian tigers do not 268 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: live in Africa. But that didn't stop them, so they 269 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: expanded the scope even more because they wanted their whole 270 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: face of big cats and animals to be able to 271 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: star in this movie. So they ended up kind of 272 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: expanding the focus of the whole thing. 273 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. They didn't even have a script. 274 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: And you know, Marshall was not a writer, like you know, 275 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: like you said he invested in The Exorcist. I don't 276 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: think anyone ever confused him with a creative in Hollywood, huh. 277 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: But he did write the script. He got some ideas 278 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: from Tippy. He wrote the script, said he was going 279 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: to direct the film and it was a family adventure, 280 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: so he was going to have all of his family 281 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: in it, which was you know, young Melanie, and then 282 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: he had two sons from a previous marriage, Jerry and. 283 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 3: John, and they were all going to be in it. 284 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: But they were like, we need a real deal, like 285 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: regular lead actor for the male role to play like 286 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: the patriarch of this family. But they could not get 287 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: any actor to sign on because again I don't think 288 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: even people thought it would be that dangerous. Yet they 289 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: just knew it was not a good idea and it 290 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: was bad. The script was terrible. 291 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: So Marshall was like, you know what, I'll just do 292 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: that too, right. 293 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: I'm sure they were like what is wrong with everybody? 294 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: Between not raising financing or getting a star yeah, so 295 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: Noel wrote, directed, and starred in this movie, like you 296 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: were saying, and that, from all of my experience, any 297 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: movie that is written, directed, and starred in is essentially 298 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: going to be not as good as it would be 299 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: if any one of those were taken out of that equation. 300 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: Oh you think, yeah, because there's no one there to 301 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: tell the director or the writer or the lead actor 302 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: don't do this. Like those things are supposed to be 303 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: checks and balances, like the three branches of government in 304 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: the United States. So if you have all of them 305 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: together as one, you got a big problem. 306 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: All Right, I disagree, but we'll just walk right past it. 307 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: All right, that's fine. 308 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 3: I mean I think if you're terrible, then it's a 309 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: bad idea. But there have been plenty of examples of 310 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: great writer, director, actors, and great films. 311 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: Okay, name one besides Herbie the Lovebug. 312 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: I like most anything clinice Wood's ever been in. 313 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't fully agree with that, but okay. 314 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I mean that's fine. You can nitpick 315 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: clinice Wood anyway. Like I said, we don't need to 316 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: debate this point, man. 317 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: It's just similar. Like the pot is just simmering almost over, 318 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: but we're gonna walk past it, like you said. 319 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the point why this is bad is 320 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: because he was not a talented human being. Early on, though, 321 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: Melanie Griffith is like, I don't want to be in 322 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: this movie. I think the direct quote was to her 323 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: mom was I don't want to come out of here 324 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: with half a face. So she backed out. They got 325 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: her friend to star instead, or friend who was an actor. 326 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: But eventually she was like, you know what, I guess 327 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: I will be in the movie. So she came back 328 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: on board and they completely reshot all the scenes. They're 329 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: just burning through money at this point, ye, but reshot 330 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: the scene so Melanie could be back in the film. 331 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that friend ned who went on to become an 332 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: award winning Folly artist. And that's right. It's like you said, 333 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: they're burning through money. Because there's something to remember here 334 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: that I didn't think about until pretty far down the research, 335 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: Like they were not shooting video, they were not using 336 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 2: SD cards. They were using actual film stock over and over, 337 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: like all sorts of film stock. And that stuff was expensive, 338 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 2: wasn't it. 339 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: Oh? 340 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they you know at one point because 341 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: they had to essentially just keep cameras rolling and wait 342 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: for the animals to do something interesting. Yeah, they were 343 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: shooting you know, six seven, eight cameras at a time 344 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: sometimes and this was I mean, this is something you 345 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: routinely see now, but back then you didn't. You know, 346 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: you maybe had three or four cameras max on like 347 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: a huge, huge stunt, but rolling that many cameras just 348 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: wasn't what you did typically back then on films, especially 349 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: films of the size, so that they were just burning 350 00:17:59,119 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: money on film stock. 351 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you said, the reason why they were 352 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: just running all the times because the cats had zero training, 353 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: Like you could not tell them like, okay, we need 354 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: you to jump at this person because in this scene 355 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: it calls for that. The cats would just look at 356 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: you like I hear like man b bae bit and 357 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 2: that's it, Like I don't know what you're saying. So 358 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: occasionally they would do something interesting enough to use in 359 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: the film, and then they reverse engineered it and wrote 360 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: the plot around the stuff that they had filmed the 361 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 2: cats doing. 362 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and all the animals. 363 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: There was a scene where the elephant destroys a boat, 364 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: and that scene is in there because the elephant destroyed 365 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: a boat, right. It was not planned, but they were like, hey, 366 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: we got a little bit of production value out of 367 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: the elephant wrecking that boat, right, so we got to. 368 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: Put it in the movie. 369 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: The other thing was is these animals were you know, 370 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: they were raised in captivity and were used to laying 371 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: around by the pool and laying in bed in a 372 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: fairly sedate scene. So while they were pretty calm and 373 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: chill as far as big cats go in the movie, 374 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: when the real human actors are instructed to like yell 375 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: and scream or to run away or something that would 376 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: incite or excite, rather these animals in ways you know 377 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: that they weren't prepared for either. 378 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: I know, I felt bad about that confused them, and 379 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: that's said. They were like, why are friends you know yelling? 380 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know we're we're going to get to 381 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: some of the darker stuff later. This isn't all just 382 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: like funny. 383 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: No good point. So this whole thing, the entire film 384 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: takes about five years to film, and not just because 385 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 2: the animals weren't doing what you'd want them to almost 386 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: all the time. There were some real catastrophes that they 387 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 2: ran into that were just totally unavoidable. But this is 388 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: a very dangerous set, Like that is the through line 389 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 2: here if you haven't picked up on that. People are 390 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 2: interacting with you know, domesticated to an extent, but there's 391 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: still very much wild fully grown lions, tigers, leopards, and 392 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: that's what's going on they're filming that. They're filming like 393 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: the lions jumping on people and attacking people, and so 394 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: this is like a really dangerous set at the same 395 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: time because they were using all this stuff, there's a 396 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: strange realism to the whole thing, especially the violence that 397 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 2: the animals inflict on the humans, because it actually was 398 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: what was going on. 399 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean they had a hard time 400 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: sustaining funding because of this. They had a hard time 401 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: sustaining a crew because of this. I think in total 402 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: over the five years they had about one hundred and 403 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: forty different crew members because people, you know, they would 404 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: get on set, they would work for a little while. 405 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: Either there would be you know, something terrible and horrifying 406 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: would happen, or they would just realize, like you know, 407 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: you know when you get on one of those shows 408 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: where you're just like this is not a professional outfit, right, 409 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: So get out of there as quickly as I can 410 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: get something else going. They're shooting it all at this 411 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: compound for Africa there sort of deep outside Los Angeles, 412 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: and people started getting hurt. I think seventy cast and 413 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: crew members ended up getting injuries. And in the if 414 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: you look at the Alamo Drafthouse trailer that they put 415 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: out online, at the end, it'll show as they're announcing 416 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: the cast, it would freeze frame on that cast member 417 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: and in parentheses like give their name and then say 418 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: kind of what their most major injury was on set. 419 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: Right, Probably the biggest one was Yon Debance. You probably 420 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: recognize him from such films as Heart of a Champion, 421 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: The ray Mancini Story, or Roar. But he was the 422 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 2: cinematographer for this movie and he took it like three 423 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 2: weeks after this whole thing started. He got it bad 424 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: where a lion essentially scalped him from the back half 425 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 2: of his head backward. 426 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, two hundred and twenty stitches. But he would complete 427 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: the film and before you start emailing us, I gotta 428 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: stem the tide, Josh. Unfortunately, Yon Debant is very much 429 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: known for being a big time action movie director. Oh yeah, yeah, 430 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: I mean you were kidding, right, yeah, okay, just making sure. 431 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: He directed Speed and Twister and some other, you know, 432 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: very big movies later on. But this was his first 433 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: film in the United States, and I think that's probably 434 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: why he kept coming back, because it was his first 435 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: film in the States, and maybe he didn't think it 436 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: would be such idea to quit his first movie here. 437 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, because that's a really good point. He was 438 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 2: a very talented cinematographer by this time. Like that's one 439 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: of the other things he's very well known for, not 440 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: just directing. So like this movie, this, like you said, 441 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: completely like unprofessional outfit where the writer, director, and star 442 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 2: has no experience in any of those fields, has a 443 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: world class cinematographer working for it, which makes the whole 444 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: thing even that much more bizarre when you watch it. 445 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 3: Apparently, Yeah, for sure. 446 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: So you know, speaking of John Marshall, I believe he 447 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: was one of the sons. He got bit on the 448 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: head he tripped and fell during a scene. And of 449 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: course again this you know, I don't think we mentioned 450 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: that not only were the animals not prepared for some 451 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: of this stuff, but they didn't have a full staff 452 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: of animal wranglers on hand, like anytime you have a 453 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: I mean it really depends, but if it's like a 454 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: big cat or something like this, you've got a team 455 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: of people there for each one, right, and you know 456 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: they had some help, but they weren't staff like they 457 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: needed to be. 458 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 2: No, And I think those are also the same crew 459 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: that kind of came and went over time. They were 460 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 2: like this, this is nutstude. I don't want to have 461 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: anything to do with this. 462 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they didn't want their name on this thing 463 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 3: because they saw where it was going. 464 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 2: So Melanie Griffith, who said that she didn't want to 465 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: come out of this with half a face, came very 466 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 2: close to that. Actually, she got clawed by her eye. 467 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 2: She needed fifty stitches. She also had to undergo cosmetic 468 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: surgery to kind of reconstruct that part of her face. Yeah, 469 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: that made it into the movie. 470 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that scene, I mean that was a very believable 471 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 3: tax scene. 472 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. So you got a clumsy plot and actors, you 473 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 2: have a great cinematographer, and now also you have genuine 474 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: terror and blood that shows up in this essentially what's 475 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: supposed to be like a kind of wacky comedy family adventure. 476 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, there were two cases of Gangreen from 477 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: you know, getting bitten by infected cat mouths. Tippy Hedron 478 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: was one. She got a lion bite, got Gangreen. I'm 479 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: not sure where she got it, but she ended up 480 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: getting skin grass. There was also a scene where she 481 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: was riding on Timbo the elephant, and this animal wasn't 482 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: used to being ridden and like have somebody like shouting 483 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: and stuff like she was, so it threw her off, 484 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: fractured her ankle. And then Noel, the star and the 485 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: director and madman behind all this, he got the other 486 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: case of Gangreen. 487 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, Tippy Hedron getting thrown from the elephant and breaking 488 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: your ankle. That made it into the movie as well. 489 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: I know Noel got a bite on the hand trying 490 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: to break up a fight between lions and started bleeding. 491 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 2: That made it into the movie as well. So all 492 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,719 Speaker 2: of this stuff is just showing up. Two crew members 493 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: lost digits. Like over a six year period, people kept 494 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: coming back, Like the core, people kept coming back and 495 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 2: coming back and coming back. There's one other thing to 496 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 2: keep in mind. To Charles, this was supposed to take place. 497 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: The action in the movie takes place over what maybe 498 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 2: like a few days, weeks, months tops. The actors involved 499 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 2: are all aging, like over the course of several years, 500 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 2: some of them teenagers under Like you really undergo some 501 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: serious like outward changes over like a few years in 502 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: your teens, and they had to kind of like deal 503 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 2: with that as well. This is like reverse boyhood essentially. 504 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. There was also a flash flood which 505 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: damaged some fencing. This is nineteen seventy eight, so this 506 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: is like two and a half years into this thing, 507 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,239 Speaker 1: and it damaged some of the fencing such that some 508 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: of these big cats escaped. 509 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 3: This is some of the darker stuff as far. 510 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: As the animals are concerned, because they really played up 511 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: the idea that no animals were hurt in the filming 512 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: of this, like only humans. But they recovered most of 513 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: those animals, but allegedly the deputies there ended up having 514 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: to shoot and kill three lions. Yeah, and there was 515 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: also a situation where I think there was a disease 516 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: that spread through the. 517 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 3: Cat community and some of them died. 518 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: It's hard to get like good verification on that, but 519 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: I see plenty of places that claim that happened. 520 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: Right, And technically none of this happened during filming. But yeah, yeah, 521 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 2: I think that's just part of a problem. When you 522 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: have hundreds of like big cats all living together, that's 523 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: not how they live. That flood you mentioned they had 524 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 2: like twenty minutes of filming left. I think when there 525 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 2: was a wildfire they were down to like seven minutes 526 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: something like that. And it just kept getting set back 527 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 2: and set back. That flood was so destructive that it 528 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 2: destroyed a lot of the vegetation and that made up 529 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: the set, so they had to replant and then wait 530 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 2: for it to grow back again. It just kept getting 531 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: set back and set back. I have the impression, and 532 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: I don't know if you got the same impression that 533 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: Tippy Heeddron and Noel Marshall were so deep into this 534 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: financially that they couldn't walk away. They had to finish 535 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: this because it was it had to be a hit 536 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: or else they were in serious financial trouble. Did you 537 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: get that same impression? 538 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, who knows what's going on. 539 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: It's either that or just like the Madman thing takes over, right, 540 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: But I bet I know that. You know, they certainly 541 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: had no chance of recovering any money if they stopped, 542 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: and they knew that too, and they were close to 543 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: being done. Like you said, they did finally finish in 544 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: the fall of seventy nine. They had to shoot a 545 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: little bit in Africa, but most everything was taking place 546 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: there at their ranch, and they spent and this was 547 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: you know, late seventies money, about seventeen million dollars, which 548 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: is almost what Raiders of the Lost Art cost. So 549 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: they're definitely not getting their production value. And I'm sure 550 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: a lot of that seventeen million was just you know, 551 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: wasted money, like film stock and rebuilding things and just 552 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: waiting around and waiting around and paying crew while you're 553 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: waiting around. 554 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I can't imagine that seventeen million 555 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 2: dollars worth of production value made it into Roar from 556 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: everything I've seen, you. 557 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: Know, I don't think seven hundred thousand dollars worth of 558 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: production value except I guess Yandubont shooting some nice looking 559 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: stuff probably for sure. 560 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: So they finally finished filming, they get it edited, it's 561 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: all ready to go. They've like got their hands together, 562 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: they're rubbing their hands. They're ready to start making some 563 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: money back. And they cannot find anyone in the United 564 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: States to sign on as a distributor, which is a 565 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: huge problem, especially back then you had no streaming services whatsoever. 566 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: Like the way you saw a movie was to go 567 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: to a movie theater, and the way you got your 568 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 2: movie in movie theaters was by having a contract with 569 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: the distributor to get that movie out to movie theaters 570 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: so that you could have money coming back in. They 571 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 2: did not have that in the United States. They never 572 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: got it in the US. 573 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: No, no release in the US. 574 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 3: It was a non union production, so that had something 575 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: to do with it. 576 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: But really the deal was it was just a really 577 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: bad movie, sure, and nobody wanted to release it. I 578 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: think even at the time they didn't think like if 579 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: a distributor doesn't even think they can get it back 580 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: based on how notorious you can trump up the advertising 581 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: of like the most dangerous film ever made. Like it 582 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: was really that bad that they couldn't even get like 583 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: cult B movie status going for it, you know. 584 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 2: No, And there was a lot of buzz too. I 585 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: read some of the press tour that Tippy Heedron was 586 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: doing in nineteen seventy nine to help, you know, pump 587 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: up the release of the movie, and like it was 588 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: widely discussed. Apparently it was. It was shown widely in 589 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: the UK and Ireland. But even all that, it was 590 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: I think it grossed two million dollars worldwide. Yeah, so 591 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: they lost fifteen million dollars just out of the gate. 592 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: And because it was never shown almost anywhere else, especially 593 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: after its first run, they had like there's that was it. 594 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 2: That's all they ever made off of it, Like they 595 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: haven't slowly been making their money back. It just ended 596 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: its life right then and there after it limped out 597 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: of the last theater in the UK. 598 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 3: That's right, let's stick our second break. 599 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll be right back with a 600 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: little bit more believe it or not about Roar right 601 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: after this. 602 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 3: All right, we're back. 603 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: More about Roar, which by the way, was about one 604 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: hundred minutes long. Livia did the great service of trying 605 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: to break down, even without seeing it, the plot of 606 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: this whole movie. I don't think we should kind of 607 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: go over that because maybe spoilers if people want to 608 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: try and find this thing, but almost certainly more because 609 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: it's not a very good movie at all. 610 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 3: Sure, but just loosely. 611 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: It was a plot about an eccentric American scientist who 612 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: spent a few years living in Tanzania's where it was 613 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: set and then having his family come out there, and 614 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: you know, it was really about that simple, like these people. 615 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: You know, there's a mistaken communication where the family comes 616 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: right as the dad has gone to go to the airport, 617 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: so they walk into the scene where all these lions 618 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: and it's really that bad. 619 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 3: Like that's kind of the plot of the movie. 620 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the overall theme of the movie is that 621 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: this doctor, in the time that he's been living in Tanzania, 622 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,719 Speaker 2: started living among the wild animals he's studying and become 623 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 2: like a family with them. Now his family who hasn't 624 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: been living with these animals is showing up, and this 625 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 2: is I think what I understand is that you start 626 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: to see the process of them kind of coming around 627 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: through all the attacks and hijinks and all that stuff, 628 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: until the overall message is if you treat wild animals 629 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: in a friendly manner, they're going to be friendly. If 630 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: you are scared of them and you treat them hostily, 631 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 2: they're going to respond as such. The thing about this 632 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 2: is I think it was Richard Brody from The New 633 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 2: Yorker he points out that just consistently throughout the movie, 634 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: this message is contradicted time after time after time where 635 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: people are being friendly to these animals and the animals 636 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: are like drawing blood and attacking them on screen in 637 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 2: the movie. So the message itself was flawed out of 638 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 2: the gate, even though it was an admirable one. 639 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 640 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: Another big flaw was that it was sort of a 641 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: genre less film. Yeah, parts of it seem like home movies, 642 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: parts of it seem like comedy, Like a couple of 643 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: the attacks are played as straight up comedic, parts of 644 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: it are played up for the true terror. And the 645 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: score even is all over the place, So the score 646 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: sometimes feels like a horror movie and the score sometimes 647 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: feels like a comedy. I think Tippy Hendrid says they 648 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: based some of the stuff on old slapstick silent comedies, 649 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: so it was completely rudderless. And that critic that you 650 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: talked about, Richard Brody, one of his quotes was kind 651 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: of back this up. He said, Marshall doesn't quite seem 652 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: aware of the forms he's using. 653 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 3: So it was just a big mess. 654 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, big mess. I think that should be like the tagline, right, 655 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess if you're like I got to 656 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 2: see this, there are stuff, there are things you can 657 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: see online, but you're just unless you're gonna show out 658 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 2: a hundred bucks, you're not gonna see the whole movie. 659 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 2: One of the cool things about this though, is from 660 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 2: the outset, Tippy Heedron and Noel Marshall were not just 661 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 2: about like, let's just make a bunch of money exploiting animals. 662 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 2: They one of their stated purposes of making war was 663 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 2: to take some a significant amount of the proceeds and 664 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 2: put it toward wild animal welfare. And they put their 665 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 2: money where their mouth is, even though they lost a 666 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 2: bunch of money, and they basically turned their compound into 667 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 2: a place called the Cats of Shambala, which is like 668 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 2: they presented as a place of peace between animals and 669 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 2: humans where they can come together in harmony. It's still 670 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 2: around today, and it's the home of the Roar Foundation, 671 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 2: which is also still around today, which is still promoting 672 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: money and lobbying for legislation on behalf of animal welfare. 673 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I mean that is when positive. They 674 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: would get divorced about a year after this movie, and 675 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: he continued to support the Shambala project even after that, 676 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: which was a good thing. But I don't want to 677 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: paint Marshall is like some great dude because you know, 678 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: reading some of the accounts, it seems like he had 679 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: a definite anger problem, was possibly violent with his own family. 680 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: Definitely there were moments where his you know, fourteen fifteen 681 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: year old stepdaughter is like really upset and crying and 682 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 1: doesn't want to continue, and he's forcing her back into 683 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: these scenes. 684 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 3: So he was not a good dude. 685 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: So I don't want to portray this as just like 686 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: sort of a fun family project gone wrong. 687 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. There was an interview with his son John around 688 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 2: the time that this was re released by draft House 689 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 2: Films in twenty fifteen where John was like, you know, 690 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 2: we all had safe words that we could use when 691 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 2: we were filming if we were uncomfortable, that we could get, 692 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 2: you know, removed from that situation and filming would stop. 693 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 2: And he said there was at least one time when 694 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 2: Melanie used her safe word and Noel just ignored it 695 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 2: and made everybody keep filming. So yeah, I think that 696 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 2: was that's definitely worth pointing out for sure. But like 697 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 2: you said, I mean, he's known for being an executive 698 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 2: producer investor on the Exorcist, and he's known for ror 699 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 2: and he will always be known for Roor from what 700 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 2: I can tell. 701 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, that's his legacy. 702 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty five, it got a little bit more 703 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: attention because the Today Show had Tippy Hedron on because 704 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: she had written a book, her autobiography or at least 705 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: about this, The Cats of Shambala, So she was on 706 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: there promoting that, they showed clips from Roor and so 707 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: it got a little bit of attention in the United 708 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: States at the time and then was kind of not 709 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: heard from again until Draft House Films. Yeah, came along, 710 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: like you said, in twenty fifteen, and you know, played 711 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: it up for what it was, which is a pretty. 712 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 3: Bad, I mean B movie at best. 713 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: I think most B movies usually even have more of 714 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: a plot than this thing did. 715 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. They that's where the tagline the most dangerous film 716 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,240 Speaker 2: ever made came from, which is very popular these days. 717 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 2: And they also were the ones that came up with 718 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 2: No animals were harmed during the making of Roar, but 719 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 2: seventy members of the cast and crew were, and Tippy 720 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 2: Hedron apparently was not at all happy about the I'm 721 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 2: sure this portrayal, and the Roor Foundation asked not to 722 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 2: speak publicly about it. Apparently she was that mad about it. 723 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 2: There is an Animal Planet documentary. I couldn't find that either, 724 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 2: but it was called Roar, the Most Dangerous Movie ever made. 725 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 2: It came out in twenty seventeen, and then there's been reviews, 726 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 2: especially after Alamo or the Draft House released it in 727 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. A lot of like those kind of online 728 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 2: reviewers who just love like terrible movies, really sank their 729 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 2: teeth into this, if you'll excuse that. 730 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my favorite one is from Under the Radar, 731 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 1: it said, based on his reputation alone, nineteen eighty one's 732 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: Roar is the citizen Kane of films where actors were 733 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: mauled by lions. That's pretty good. 734 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 2: Drew mcweeney also had a pretty memorable quote. They said 735 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 2: that it feels like Walt Disney decided to make a 736 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 2: snuff version of Swiss Family Robinson. 737 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 3: That's kind of on point. 738 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, if you are like, I don't 739 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 2: care about any of this. I just want to help 740 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 2: the big cats. Like I said, the Shambala Preserve is 741 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 2: still around, The RAR Foundation is around, and they're accepting donations. 742 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 2: I think they're down to like nine big cats now. 743 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 2: They've definitely whittled it down I'm guessing that the other 744 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 2: big cats kind of died of natural causes over time, hopefully. 745 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,919 Speaker 2: But yeah, there you go. And Tippy Hedron's still alive. 746 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 2: She's coming up on her one hundredth birthday in twenty thirty. 747 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 3: Well, I hope she doesn't listen to this. 748 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 2: I feel like we did it justice. 749 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is exactly probably what she doesn't want to hear. 750 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 2: Okay, it's true. Well, if you're listening, Tippy, hats off 751 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 2: to you. And since I did our annual hats off 752 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 2: to Tippy Hedron, I just unlocked blistener mail. 753 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 3: For a second, I thought you're gonna say Tippy of 754 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 3: the hat to you. 755 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,479 Speaker 2: After all the times we've done that too, I can't 756 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 2: believe we've never come up with that before. 757 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to call this shouting out a good little 758 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: thing that this company's doing because we heard from Robin 759 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: about a company. 760 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 3: Oh, let me just read it. 761 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, So listen to you from the mountains of 762 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: western North Carolina near Asheville, and I just listened to 763 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: the Mangroves episode, notably one of my favorite trees, and 764 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to share information that's me talking about, right. 765 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 3: I wanted to share information on. 766 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: A company called man mang Gear m A n G Gear. 767 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: They make SPF shirts and for every shirt they sell, 768 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: they plan a mangrove tree. 769 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 2: Nice. 770 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: It's a nonprofit started by two brothers. And when you 771 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: do this they send you a certificate the GPS coordinates 772 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: of the location cool where your mangrove was planted. After 773 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: listening to the episode, it couldn't help it share in 774 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: case you wanted to do show some support to their work. 775 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: I listen all the time. Every episode is chock full 776 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: of information, facts and history. And let's not forget you 777 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 1: both are great hosts and make the show so interesting. 778 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: Nice And that is from Robin maw to lick and 779 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: just go to mang gear dot com. That would be 780 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: m A n G g e r dot com and 781 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: check out those SPF shirts if you want to have 782 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: a mangrove tree planet in your honor. 783 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 2: That was smart to add the extra G or else 784 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 2: they might not have gotten what they were doing across 785 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 2: very well if it was. 786 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a website called mang gear that sells 787 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: puba care shavers and stuff like that. 788 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 2: All right, yeah, who was that Robin? 789 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 3: Yeah? 790 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 2: Okay, thanks a lot, Robin. That was a great shout out, 791 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 2: and thanks to the people at mangear who are doing 792 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 2: God's work and using GPS which we did an episode 793 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 2: on and I guess if you want to get in 794 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 2: touch with this like Robin did, you can send us 795 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 2: an email to send it off to stuff podcast at 796 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,760 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio dot com. 797 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 3: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 798 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 3: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 799 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.