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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly and I'm joined

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Speaker 2: today by my special guest sitting in for Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: This week is Rob King. How are you? Rob? Quotes

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Speaker 3: and special special guests. A special guest Matt Williamson. No,

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Speaker 3: it's good. It's good to be here. Big shoes to

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Speaker 3: fill with Matt, so I won't even try to fill them.

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Speaker 3: I'll just be happy to be talking football with uf Dale.

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Speaker 2: You know we we He texted me earlier in the

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Speaker 2: week when I asked you to do the show and

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Speaker 2: you said, what are we going to talk about? And

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Speaker 2: I sat there, I'm like, I don't know if Rob

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Speaker 2: knows how this whole thing works.

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Speaker 3: You now, you're a professional. You do this fuck.

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Speaker 2: Kind of stuff for you know, this is what you do.

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Speaker 2: Matt and I have always taken the tax think that this.

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Speaker 2: We do the show like it's free forum jazz.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: We sit down and we talk like it's Matt and

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Speaker 2: I sitting and talking at the bar, and so we

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Speaker 2: never know what we're I don't tell Matt what the

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Speaker 2: topics are. We might talk a little bit, you know,

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Speaker 2: off off the air, you know, before the show starts.

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Speaker 2: Like I saw this article that's kind of interesting. Why

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Speaker 2: don't we dive into that a little bit, things of

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Speaker 2: that nature, and then we just start talking about it,

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Speaker 2: and and you know, we just we just go.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't set out a plan. You know.

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Speaker 2: I do shows with Tim Ben's all the time, and

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Speaker 2: Tim will have everything mapped out. I just don't do

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Speaker 2: that because it just I like to I like to

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Speaker 2: have the natural flow of.

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Speaker 3: The of the show.

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Speaker 2: So in that vein this morning, everybody knows what I'm

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Speaker 2: going through with the cancer stuff, and you know, the

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Speaker 2: surgery has done all that stuff, so I still have

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Speaker 2: to do the radiation treatment this morning.

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Speaker 3: We're taping the show here.

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Speaker 2: On Tuesday, full full disclosure before it runs on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: So this morning I have to go to the to

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Speaker 2: the oncologist where they do the radiology thing, and they

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Speaker 2: got to fit me for a mask. They take a mask.

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Speaker 2: It was a nice it was like a warm thing

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Speaker 2: that they put over you and then they do it

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Speaker 2: an MRI or cat skin while you're in this mask,

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Speaker 2: they figure out exactly where they want to target the

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Speaker 2: radiation at, and he said it might be a little uncomfortable,

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Speaker 2: but we need you to hold completely still for about

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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. They put this mask over my face and

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Speaker 2: it's it's soft, it's client because they're molding into my face.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with that because it's nice and warm. It's

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Speaker 2: almost I assume it's what a facial feels like. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this isn't bad. Then everybody else leaves the room and

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Speaker 2: they put me into the scanner thing and I'm laying

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Speaker 2: there and they put a thing in my mouth. So

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Speaker 2: now I'm feeling like the gimp in pulp fiction. You know.

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Speaker 2: I got the mask over my face, I've got the

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Speaker 2: thing in my mouth. I can't move, I can't swallow.

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Speaker 2: I got to breathe through my nose, but my nose

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Speaker 2: is covered up. And I'm laying there and I'm good

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Speaker 2: for about the first five minutes, and then it starts

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Speaker 2: getting like a little uncomfortable, and I'm like, can't tap out,

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Speaker 2: got to get through it. And I finally I started

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Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta, you gotta fight through this.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm I can't breathe though, Can you

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Speaker 2: take the thing? Like, oh, we can take that out

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Speaker 2: of your mouth? I'm like, oh, thank god, Like that

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Speaker 2: was very uncomfortable. I don't some people choose to do

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Speaker 2: that stuff apparently, I don't know, but not something that

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Speaker 3: Let's just put it that way. No, I the last

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Speaker 3: time I had an MRI, And the older I get,

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Speaker 3: and I think this is relatively calmon. I think I've

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Speaker 3: heard other people have the same issues. The more I

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Speaker 3: get a little claustrophobic, Like I like, before.

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Speaker 2: I start, are you claustrophobic, I'm like, eh.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't like, Like, I don't know if

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Speaker 3: in the fully in the tube MRI. Those aren't fun.

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Speaker 3: The last time I was in one. Now, if you've

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Speaker 2: To trying to do like I'll get right.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly. So if I'm when I used to run

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Speaker 3: I just closed my eyes and start going one. Just hey,

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Speaker 3: if I count to three hundred, I'll be done. Whatever.

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Speaker 3: It takes a fish line. So so I started doing that,

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Speaker 3: then when I woke up, I jerked and I had

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Speaker 3: just start again. And they were like they were not

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Speaker 3: happy you moved. We have to start over again. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: you get in this too, man, So I I I

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Speaker 3: feel you. Man, it's no those things are no fun.

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Speaker 3: And and by the way, it's also like it's like

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Speaker 3: anything else in life, you know. Okay, so we're going

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Speaker 3: into this chamber here, whatever you do, don't clear your throat. Well,

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Speaker 3: what's the first thing you're thinking? Clear my I realized

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Speaker 3: I had to clear my throat. Don't slice the ball

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Speaker 3: into the pond. Guess what you're gonna do, Slice the

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Speaker 3: ball into the pot, right the mind here, don't think

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Speaker 3: about pink elephants, right exactly, so so true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I bring this up because you know, with

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Speaker 2: the Steelers' training camp schedule, they open up on July

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Speaker 2: twenty fourth. I didn't realize the league put out a

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Speaker 2: of the latest teams. Really, Yeah, toever.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't seem like it's gotten earlier and earlier every year. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: In fact, they seem like it was always July thirty

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Speaker 2: Something somewhere around there, and this year it's a little

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Speaker 2: bit earlier. The Steelers of course report on July twenty fourth,

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Speaker 2: and they will be one of the last teams to

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Speaker 2: or I started already. There are some teams I'm just

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Speaker 2: looking here, like Baltimore reports on the twentieth. You got

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Speaker 2: the what is that the Green Bay Now, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: Houston's on the seventeenth, or they're in the.

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Speaker 3: Out Oh yeah, yeah, right right in the earlier game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Hall of Fame game, but everybody's either most

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Speaker 2: so that's not that far away.

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Speaker 3: It isn't. And you know, I think I was discussing

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Speaker 3: was over at all the OTAs and mini camps. I

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Speaker 3: and play by play for Greg Brown the Giants Pirates

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Speaker 3: came out and miss some job by the way, Oh

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Speaker 3: thank you. I appreciate it. It's fun. It's fun doing that.

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Speaker 3: And I think I missed one more. I think I missed.

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Speaker 3: I had one other appointment that I missed, but I

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Speaker 3: was there more than I did. I was pretty much

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Speaker 2: I was pretty much and you know, unfortunately, because of

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Speaker 2: that's why it was kind of why I wanted to

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Speaker 3: Even Yeah, and but one of the discussions I was

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Speaker 3: having with somebody was it feels like and again you'd

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Speaker 3: have to go back and look for sure, but it

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Speaker 3: feels like camp is starting a little earlier, and I

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Speaker 3: find that unusual because there's one less presech the.

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Speaker 2: Less game, and they built that extra weekend over labored

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Speaker 3: So you would think they would want to maybe not

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Speaker 3: have that extra week, not have that week. I've always

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Speaker 3: thought that was kind of unusual. It felt like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you finish up and then maybe you know, you play

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Speaker 3: at Thursday or something like that. Hey ten days now,

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Speaker 3: season starting right now. Now there's that lag time, so

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Speaker 3: it feels like you're reporting earlier. Then there's kind of

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Speaker 3: that lag time on the end. But listen, it's football, man,

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Speaker 3: you know, and being over there in camp, Okay, it's

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Speaker 3: guys for the most part running around in shorts, and

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Speaker 3: I understand that, but it's still football.

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Speaker 2: So the doctor today, you know, he's like, I take

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Speaker 3: He's like, hey, how's you know?

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Speaker 2: Have you been able to work? And I said, I

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Speaker 3: The next week. I was, you know, back at OTAs.

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Speaker 2: And the only reason I waited that long was because

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Speaker 2: got out of the hospital. They didn't because my neck

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Speaker 2: was still a little stiff. He said, well, how do

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Speaker 2: they look, I said, He said, I understand the first

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Speaker 2: round pick was struggling a little bit, Troy Fatanhu, And

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Speaker 2: I said, look, anybody that says they can tell you

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Speaker 2: that this guy looks great, or this guy, especially the

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Speaker 2: offensive linemen, they're not in pads.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, they're lying there. He said, So they're just going

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Speaker 3: for clickbait. I said absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I said, are there some issues in terms of him

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Speaker 2: flip flopping from the left side to the right. Sure,

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Speaker 2: the footwork's different, things of that nature. But that's why

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Speaker 2: you have these situations. That's why you have these practices

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Speaker 2: to get that out of the way, get the footwork

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Speaker 3: So anybody that says, well this guy looks great, that they're.

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Speaker 2: Completely lying to you. They're just making it up.

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Speaker 3: I agree. Now, every once in a while you will

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Speaker 3: see somebody and you'll think, man, that guy had a

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Speaker 3: really good day. Oh yeah, I was watching him one day,

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Speaker 3: really good day, right, And then I look, so now

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Speaker 3: you're doing some research, That's what I said. You know,

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Speaker 3: how deep do we want to go? Into these ninety guys.

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Speaker 3: So I did a little deep dive on Nate Mato.

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Speaker 3: That dude is he can fly. He had the third

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Speaker 3: fastest time ever at the Combines. He's not a big,

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Speaker 3: huge guy, but I mean, that's to me is kind

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Speaker 3: of the fun part. Who are these guys on the

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Speaker 3: edges of the roster? How much room is there for guys?

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Speaker 3: And even things like what you're talking about Dale with

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Speaker 3: Troy Futanu. You know, look, Dan Moore wants to hold

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Speaker 3: on to that job. He's not gonna concede. And and

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Speaker 3: you know it's funny, and I mentioned this in baseball too.

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Speaker 3: You know when you when you see a young guy,

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Speaker 3: a guy later in his career begins to put things together.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williams

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: We have Rob King today sitting in for the vacationing

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Speaker 3: he's yeah, nobody's nobody's ever gruntled. But they can be disgruntled.

431
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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I think that. You know, you look at them,

432
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,679
Speaker 3: and I was, I was wondering where Atlanta might be

433
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,119
Speaker 3: on that list because I figured they with all the

434
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 3: flak they got in the draft, they might be down.

435
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 2: But they went out and spend a lot of money

436
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 2: on the quarterback, and so that that will carry some weight.

437
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 3: It will it will carry some weight. I'm okay with

438
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 3: the d D. Yeah, I am.

439
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,439
Speaker 2: I am as well, we just mentioned that. You know

440
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,920
Speaker 2: they're paying now for going for year after year after

441
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 2: year and not getting there. Like, if you win this,

442
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,239
Speaker 2: you win a super Bowl? Is going for it worth it?

443
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 3: Sure?

444
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 2: Winning a super Bowl? But if you don't, you know,

445
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 2: you can find yourself in a sista. This is where

446
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns are at right now. Right They've gone

447
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 2: for it with the quarterback position and even kick the

448
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 2: can down the road. And now their quarterback is sixty

449
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: three million dollars against the cap and they haven't won yet.

450
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 2: They don't even want a division title.

451
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 3: No, And I think it's a very difficult thing in

452
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:57,200
Speaker 3: a number of ways to self evaluate and say where

453
00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 3: are you are you? Because it's easy when somebody comes in,

454
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 3: easier when somebody comes in. So Sean Payton comes into

455
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 3: Denver and says we're no good. Everybody's got to go Okay, well,

456
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 3: you're allowed to do that. But if you do that,

457
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 3: if you're a GM and you do that four years

458
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 3: in and you've had three drafts under your belt and

459
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 3: you do that, your owner is gonna say what do

460
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 3: you mean you start doing the last three years and

461
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 3: so teams wind up. You know, you'd like to think

462
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 3: you wouldn't do that. One's going to do it's best

463
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 3: for the franchise. But these guys are their jobs are

464
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 3: on the line. They're going to be chasing things. And

465
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 3: I think a lot of these teams that we're gonna

466
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 3: see on this list are going to be chasing things

467
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 3: because they've put a plan in place and one of

468
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 3: two things is happening. Either they believe their plan will

469
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 3: eventually come to fruition, or they're just they're just chasing. Yeah,

470
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 3: that's right, there's a third option. They're just chasing after

471
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 3: over after something that that doesn't look like it's gonna

472
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 3: when because they have to.

473
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Speaker 2: I think the next team on this list is in

474
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Speaker 2: that that's where they're at because it's the Las Vegas Raiders.

475
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Speaker 3: They get a D.

476
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 2: They've made some aggressive moves in recent years, bringing in

477
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 2: Davonte Adams and going out and signing, you know, reworking

478
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: the receiver position, spending money on some guys, and I

479
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 2: don't know that there are any like go signing Christian

480
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: Wilkins this year for a big deal. Uh, they get

481
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: a D. Their biggest move failing to acquire a long

482
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 2: term solution at quarterbacks. That's a big one.

483
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 3: Yep, that's a big one.

484
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: The move he liked was the re signing of center

485
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 2: Andre James, who's a good player but not a great one.

486
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 2: And then the move he dislike is not trading Devonte Adams.

487
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: Where are you going? He's a thirty two year old

488
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 2: receiver who's still good, but your quarterback situation is a mess.

489
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 2: And are you going is he going to be around

490
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,959
Speaker 2: if your two or three or four year you know,

491
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 2: a rebuilding program.

492
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Speaker 3: I think the answers no to that.

493
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 2: I think it's obviously no, and I don't know that

494
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: they've come to that realization yet.

495
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: The other thing is too, is what is the you know,

496
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 3: what is the trade value? And what are you What

497
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 3: do you have to tell your owner? Yeah? You know,

498
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 3: So if you sign a guy to a big and

499
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 3: you pay them a lot of money and you're not successful,

500
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 3: and you're like, well, we're going to trade them to

501
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 3: the Steelers for a fifth round pick? What? Yeah? You know?

502
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: I mean you do have to answer to ownership. Well,

503
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 3: I get it.

504
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: And you know, they're a new team in Vegas. I

505
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 2: understand they were going for the splash. They wanted a

506
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: big names, somebody they can put on that stadium out

507
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: there that would draw fans to the stadium.

508
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 3: Their problem is, and and.

509
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: You've heard their owner talk about this, their stadium gets

510
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 2: taken over by the opposing fans in every single game

511
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: because that's a destination.

512
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 3: Right, And that's just I mean, that's interesting.

513
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 2: You should have known that when you were going to Vegas.

514
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you this too. It's been my experience,

515
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 3: you know, in my two decades plus of covering the

516
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: Pirates and covering the Penguins in addition to covering the Steelers,

517
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 3: both teams have had their ups and downs. And if

518
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 3: you think people are going to plunk down their money

519
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 3: to watch a player, I think you're mistaken. I think

520
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 3: they will plunk down their money to watch to winning product, winning,

521
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 3: winning on everything. People want to see teams win. Yeah,

522
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: and I'll hear people float this all the time, Oh,

523
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 3: the Penguin should sign this guy, or the Pirates would

524
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 3: sign this guy because that'll bring in fans. I don't

525
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: think that's the case. I think what brings in fans

526
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: is winning, and I think that's the number one thing

527
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 3: that you need to do. So if you're Vegas and

528
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: that's your reasoning, Hey, we need to keep a marquee

529
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 3: player here because the fans are gonna want to him. Well,

530
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 3: the fans are gonna want to see your product early

531
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: in the season, and I think every you know, the

532
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 3: great thing about the NFL is that you can, and

533
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: we've seen this in the past, you can go from

534
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: four wins to the super Bowl right right in one year.

535
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 3: So teams are gonna fans are going to buy in early. Hey,

536
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 3: let's see what we got out here. Let's get excited. Right, Yeah,

537
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 3: you're four and seven. They're not gonna come right.

538
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 2: The next team on the list, the Dallas Cowboys, they

539
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: get a D plus. Their biggest move was not signing

540
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: its stars to new contract, which is gonna gonna be

541
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: an issue for them. Matt and I've talked about it

542
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: quite a bit. Movie that he liked was spending two

543
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 2: of their first three picks on the offensive line, and

544
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: then the movie he disliked was not signing quarterback Dak

545
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: Prescott to an extension, which they could have done in

546
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: each of the previous two seasons as well. And now

547
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: they're in a situation where they got to pay Michael Parsons,

548
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: they got to pay Ceedee Lamb and they got to

549
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: pay the quarterback, and the quarterback market continues to climb

550
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: as as do those other ones. To sign those guys

551
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: now to a long too long deals you're looking at

552
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: putting out an average of one hundred and thirty million

553
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: dollars between the three of them.

554
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 3: I mean, can you can you do that?

555
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: Can you logistically make that happen and keep your roster

556
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: together and stay and stay a good team?

557
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so anything you can.

558
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: So one of those guys probably isn't there in the future.

559
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 3: I think to me, and again, probably each team is

560
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: going to be a little bit different. Like I've lauded

561
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: the fact, you know, in the first segment we're talking

562
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: about to see the drafting offensive lineman and continuing to

563
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: build that way. Are you going to pay these guys

564
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: when they get to free agency or are you going

565
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: to have to allocate that money somewhere else and just

566
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: continue to roll through positions? So and again I'm you know,

567
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: I'm trying to use this Deelers as an example. But

568
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 3: if I'm looking at, for example, the wide receiver market,

569
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: to me, there's one market Dale or I'm like, man,

570
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 3: i think I'm out on that I understand. And again

571
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: we talked about trickle down effect the players have. You know,

572
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 3: a great player, Jamaris, Right, Jamar Chase is going to

573
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 3: help everybody else out because you know you're shading you.

574
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 3: He's gonna take you, gonna take the number one coverage

575
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: guy who, by the way, can't cover him, so he

576
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 3: needs help. Right, So maybe that number one cover guy

577
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 3: on a lesser team shut somebody down, and everybody else

578
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 3: they don't even worry about that guy. Our guys got

579
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 3: him shut down. Well, I don't know if there's anybody

580
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: who's gonna shut down Jamar Chase. So you got to

581
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: one spend your shutdown corner. Two probably spend another guy

582
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: doing that and now and then maybe shading things in

583
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: that direction. You know, I remember when the Chiefs came

584
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: in here several years ago and they had all those weapons,

585
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: and you just look at the roster and you think

586
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 3: at some point you run out of enough good guys

587
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: to cover their good guys. Well, Jamar Chase gives you

588
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: a leg up on that, right, and you know he's

589
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: going to account for X amount of your offense yardage wise. Now,

590
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: what do you want to put more value in the

591
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 3: yards or the actual amount of time and the influence

592
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: he has the actual amount of times he touches the ball.

593
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you could look at this sort of sardonically

594
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 3: and say, I'm going to pay this guy how much

595
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: for touching the ball seven times a game? But there

596
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: is a greater, larger effect. I get that. But I think,

597
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 3: all things being equal, if I was a GM, and

598
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 3: there's probably if a GM's listening right now, might be

599
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: rolling his eyes, but I think I'd be out on

600
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: the receiver market. I think I would find another way

601
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 3: to not to just that might be the position where

602
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, just keep keep drafting them. Get that

603
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: great quarterback in here. I'll pay that guy. You know.

604
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 3: It's like the old Bobby Lane line. He asked Bobby

605
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: Lane what made one of his receivers so great, and

606
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 3: he told them, you're looking at him. I'm the guy

607
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 3: who throws him the ball. That's what makes him great.

608
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: So speaking of that, we move on to the Minnesota Vikings,

609
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 2: who get a C minus because they lost a guy

610
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 2: that throws Justin Jefferson the ball. Their biggest move this

611
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: offseason drafting of JJ McCarthy, probably higher than I would

612
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: have taken him. The movie he liked was signing edgra

613
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: Jonathan Greenard. The movie he disliked was trading up twice

614
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: to draft defensive end Dallas Turner. They let Danielle Hunter

615
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: walk in in the offseason. I think they took a

616
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: downgrade there. I like Greenard as a player. I don't

617
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: think he is Danielle Hunter. I know he's a little

618
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: bit younger, but they kind of took a.

619
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: Step back this season. Well. Yeah, when we lose that

620
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: quarterback and you're turning it over to a young quarterback

621
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: and you're a team that fancies yourself as a contender,

622
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: that's a big problem. Yeah, that's a big problem, especially in.

623
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: The NFC where there aren't the strength of the league

624
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: is the AFC right now, right The NFC has a

625
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: couple it's very top heavy, Yeah, a couple of good

626
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: teams as the top, and then everybody else is kind

627
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: of fighting for those other spots. And the Vikings would

628
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: have been right in that.

629
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins again. Well, and the other thing too, is

630
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: like when we talk about these signings. The defensive end

631
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 3: for Cincinnati, Hendrickson, Yeah, when they signed him and they

632
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: gave him good money, he's coming off one good year, right,

633
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: And I remember being skeptical and that was as well.

634
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: I like the player, I'm like, I think he's a

635
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: pretty good player. Yeah, pretty good. But are you giving

636
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: And this is one of the things you can never

637
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,479
Speaker 3: do in the salary cap era. You can't give you know,

638
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: you have a player valued at fifteen sacks a year,

639
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: he's going to command x amount of money. Well, you

640
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: can't give that amount of money to a nine sack guy, right,

641
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: you just can't. Are there going to be mis evaluations

642
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: on a roster? Of course there, And you don't want

643
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: to pay him for what he's done. You want to

644
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: pay him for what he's going to dot, absolutely, But

645
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: if you mis allocate some of those funds, that's where

646
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: we're talking about some of these teams being in trouble.

647
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: What are you going to do getting out in front

648
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: of the escalation of salaries? Paying a guy what he's worth.

649
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: You can always, for the most part, pay a guy

650
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: what he's worth. What you can't do in a salary

651
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: cap league is pay a guy more money than he's worth.

652
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: I thought that was Hendrickson. I thought they gave him

653
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 3: too much money. Well, I couldn't have been more wrong.

654
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: He's a terrific player. So when I see these other guys,

655
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: we just have to see how a guy fits into

656
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: a system, how whether their scouts have evaluated something with them.

657
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: So I always think of Hendrickson when I think of

658
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 3: trying to well, is he really going to be able

659
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: to replace Hunter? Well? I don't think so, but I'm

660
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: going to keep a little bit more of an open mind.

661
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: After I got intellectually slapped down with the Hendrickson deal

662
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: with Cincinnati, next.

663
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Speaker 2: Team on the list is the team the Steelers open

664
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Speaker 2: the season with the Atlanta Falcons. Their biggest move was

665
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: signing Kirk Cousins. The move he liked was signing Cousins

666
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: prior to drafting Michael Pennison round the movie dislike was

667
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: drafting Pennox at number eight after the Cousins deal.

668
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: But I get it.

669
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Speaker 2: You know how much you're gonna get out of Kirk

670
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: Cousins here and there. I see what they're they're trying

671
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: to do here is recreate You know what Green Bay

672
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: has done a couple of times now by taking the

673
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: quarterback before you need to take the quarterback. The question

674
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: is need to do that? After giving Cousins all that money.

675
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: There's a chance, and it's an outside chance, but there's

676
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: a chance. Because of the injury that Cousins had the

677
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: Steelers see Penix in the opener. There's no guarantee, Crazy,

678
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: there's no guarantee Kirk Cousins coming off that achilles injury

679
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: is ready to play at the start of the season.

680
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: Well, I think, and that would be interesting. I think

681
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: that you need to again accurately self evaluate where are you?

682
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: I mean, those are when you're taking love? What did

683
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: they take love in the twenties? He was like twenty

684
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: four five somewhere, right. That's one thing to me, Right,

685
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: you know, uh, you have Rogers right ready to replace Farv. Yeah,

686
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: you have Love ready to replace Rogers. I get that.

687
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: It's and and if Pennix is the next great quarterback, fantastic,

688
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 3: It's a fantastic three years from now. If that's the case,

689
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: nobody's saying a word about it. But there are a

690
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: couple of things to me. So you have a three

691
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: year deal with Cousins, right, So Pennix, you're gonna have

692
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: to pick up that option on him before he's played.

693
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: You have to pick up a player's fifth year option

694
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: before he plays his fourth year. So Cousins has a

695
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: three year deal. So in an ideal world, Penis never

696
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: even plays and you have to make that evaluation. And

697
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 3: a guy who's never even played, you know, so I'm

698
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: a I'm you know. Look, they got torched nationally, and

699
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: a big part of me believes that torching is right.

700
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: But there is a little like you that says, well,

701
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: wait a minute, now, if this guy, you like Tom,

702
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: have evaluated him properly and you can develop him. And

703
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: by the way, if you're still here, to develop him, right,

704
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: because if if you're not winning, because with the eighth

705
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: overall pick, when you could have added a pro bowler,

706
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: you added a quarterback for a future. That's a future

707
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: you might not be there for. So and again, you know,

708
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, I I I mostly didn't like but

709
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: you know I have the cab understand it cavea out

710
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: of saying it could work out. You always chase at

711
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: that position. Always.

712
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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at the next team here, it's

713
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions. They get a c Their biggest move

714
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: is extending Jared Goff one hundred and thirteen point six

715
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: million dollars fully guaranteed the movie. He liked was signing

716
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: guards Kevin Geiler and Graham Glasgow at value prices mentioned

717
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: in the previous segment. You know how some of those

718
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: guys in the interior got paid big bucks this year.

719
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: They were able to.

720
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Speaker 2: Get those two guys.

721
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Speaker 3: That's a good line.

722
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the best line of the label the movie.

723
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Speaker 2: He disliked the part of the price they paid to

724
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: extend golf.

725
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: That's going right though, for a quarterback.

726
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: I know Hrikey to the NFC Championship game. He's been

727
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: to a super Bowl. He's not a Is he an

728
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: A plus player?

729
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: No?

730
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Speaker 2: Is he an A player? No, he's probably a B

731
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 2: And you've shown and he's shown that you can get

732
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: to the mountain top of the mountain with him.

733
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Speaker 3: I think that to me, this is the way to

734
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: evaluate the quarterback position understanding. Look, Trent Dilfert won a

735
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: super Bowl, right, but with an unbelievable everything else has

736
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 3: to be right, So I don't think you can bank

737
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: on that. I think what you have to ask yourself

738
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Speaker 3: is can this player be a large part in you

739
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: winning a Super Bowl? Not handing the ball off, not

740
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: you know, dinking and dunking, not you know, going sixteen

741
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 3: for twenty fo one hundred and sixty yards and you win. No,

742
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: can this guy help me win a Super Bowl when

743
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: the chips are down? Can he lead a two minute

744
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: drive against an elite defense? Can he in a game

745
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 3: in which, hey, unexpectedly you got into a shootout? Can

746
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: he keep up? Can he help you win a championship?

747
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: Not winning despite him not winning? Where he's a neutral guy,

748
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: he's got to be on the plus side of the

749
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: ledger if he's that kind of guy. And everybody's evaluating

750
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: these guys, I'm sure this Steelers went through some sort

751
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: of evaluation like that with Kenny Pickett. We believed enough

752
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: there that this guy can play winning football for us

753
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: if he can help you win a championship, and again

754
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: we see missus in the first round all the time

755
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: at the quarterback position. If he can help me win

756
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: a championship, he's worth the money. If he can't out

757
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 3: the door, out the door, that's the way he goes.

758
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: I think it's that simple of that well, but of

759
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: course it's never that simple because there's so much gray

760
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: area between Kenny win a championship and can he be

761
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: good enough to help us win a championship.

762
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: And let's take a look here at one more team

763
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: before we get to a break. That's the Washington Commanders.

764
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: They get a C plus. The biggest move drafting of

765
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: quarterback Jaden Daniels. The move he liked the most was

766
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: signing edge Rusher Dorance Armstrong, and the movie dislike was

767
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: not upgrading.

768
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 3: Their offensive line more.

769
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: The line is not good there in Washington, And you know,

770
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: I just think they're kind of spinning their wheels right now.

771
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 2: But new regime, new ownership, they probably get a little

772
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: bit more leeway with the fans than you know, some

773
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: of the other franchises out there because they've been struggling

774
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: for so long under Daniel Snyder that you got to

775
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: get your feet under your first before you and so

776
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: you can walk him before you run.

777
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: In an ideal world, to me, and we've I've thought

778
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: about this, We all talk about team building and how

779
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: you should build a team. In an ideal world, you

780
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: build the offensive line and then so the quarterback doesn't

781
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: get killed. Yeah, when you bring him in, but if

782
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 3: he's the guy, if he's the guy, if he's the

783
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: guy that's gonna be that star that's gonna take you

784
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: we're not talking about Jared Goff and that sort of Really,

785
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 3: if he's above that, you absolutely positively have to take him,

786
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 3: cross your fingers. Maybe maybe try to keep Matta harms way,

787
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: which they didn't do with their quarterback last year by

788
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: the way. Yeah, you know, keep Matt of Harm's way,

789
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 3: protect him as much as you can, and then go

790
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 3: build the offensive line.

791
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he is Rob King. I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening

792
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be

793
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: back with more of this list here. We're up to

794
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: some of.

795
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: The other C pluses.

796
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: Now we see classes coming here. We'll see with the

797
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: Steelers rank. We'll come be back with more in a drive.

798
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Speaker 1: Right after this, The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

799
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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

801
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: We are back. I'm Dale Lolli.

802
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: We have Rob King sitting in for the vacationing Matt Williamson.

803
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: Today we're going over SETH Walters grades for the off

804
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: season for the NFL, and we're up to the New

805
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: York Giants. Now they get a C plus. They big

806
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: made the big move of trading for Brian Burns with

807
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: the Carolina Panthers. The move he liked the most was

808
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: the signing of offensive lineman Jermaine Iluminor and John Runyon,

809
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: not household names but solid players. And the move he

810
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: disliked was the cost of trading for and then extending Burns.

811
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: They're searching for a pass rush there.

812
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: They're hamstrung a little bit by the deal that they

813
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: gave to Daniel Jones last year. He's not that kind

814
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: of player to be making forty plus million dollars a year.

815
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: It is what it is.

816
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: They're at least trying to work in the right direction.

817
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: Losing Saquon Barkley in the offseason doesn't help. He's a

818
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: big part of that offense. But I understand not wanting

819
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: to pay a running back that much money. But the

820
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: Giants you gotta see.

821
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 3: Plus, I think they're in big trouble with Daniel Jones.

822
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 3: I think until that gets rectified, I can't see them

823
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: being a big factor in the NFL. I'm with you.

824
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: I'm with you. The next team on the list here

825
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,959
Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Jaguars. Their biggest move was, of course, last week,

826
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: they extended Trevor Lawrence the movie He liked was trading

827
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: down and drafting wide receiver Brian Thomas Junior. And the

828
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: movie he disliked the most was losing cornerback Darius Williams.

829
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: Jaguars are a weird team to be.

830
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: I thought they overpaid on Lawrence. He has not played

831
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: to the level where he should be the highest paid

832
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: quarterback in the league.

833
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: They have pretty much made him that. They've moved all

834
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: their chips into the center of the team, and they

835
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: often overpay.

836
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: They're a team that does up overpaying and then two

837
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: years later they end up cutting a bunch of those

838
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: guys because well, he's overpaid.

839
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 3: Well you overpaid it, right, Whose fault is that?

840
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

841
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I agree. They're kind of a team

842
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 3: in the middle to me a little bit, and that's

843
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 3: now they need Lawrence to be. If Lawrence is the

844
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: guy they're paying him to be, then fine, they're gonna be.

845
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: They're gonna be good.

846
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but at this point he's not. The Buffalo Bill

847
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: is also good a C plus. Their biggest move was

848
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: trading wide receiver stuff on Diggs. The movie he liked

849
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: was re signing offensive tackle Dion Dawkins, who, again not

850
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: a household name, but probably a top ten left tackle

851
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 2: in the game. And the movie he disliked the most

852
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: was not acquiring a higher quality veteran wide receiver to

853
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: help them replace Diggs. People talk about the Steelers wide

854
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: receiver room. This one's worse.

855
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember who they who.

856
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: They signed Keon Coleman. They're counting on Colicia Kere to

857
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: make a step forward.

858
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 3: They let Gabe Davis go as well.

859
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 2: In the offense. Like, I don't don't know what they

860
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: got to to hang their hat on there, you know,

861
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: bringing in guys like Curtis Samuel and matc Collins and

862
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: Marquez Valdez Scantling doesn't move the needle much for me.

863
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the guy from Washington, Samuel Samuels, Yeah,

864
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 3: he's got a player, but he's got Yeah, he's got

865
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: a chance. I mean they're definitely taking some risks there,

866
00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: Valdez Scantling. I mean, we'll we'll see. Yeah, it's not

867
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: an inspiring it's not an inspiring group of wide receivers.

868
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 3: Of course, we just call for George Piketts. We just

869
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: saw a team win the Super Bowl without an inspiring group.

870
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: But they have the great quarterback. Now that's one thing

871
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 3: Buffalo does they do. As long as they've got Alan,

872
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: they are a they got a shot, big time threat. Uh.

873
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: The Arizona Cardinals also get a C plus their biggest

874
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 2: move signing offensive tackle Joana Williams. It's a big movement

875
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: like that. Very much movie liked was signing wide receiver

876
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 2: Zay Jones and the movie dislike was not re signing

877
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: wide receiver Marquise Brown. Yeah. I mean, I can't believe

878
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: that the drafting Marvin Harrison didn't make that list.

879
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: But me too. And look, you got a guy who's

880
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 3: the potential number one. Now they're a little who Marvin Harrison. Yeah, yeah,

881
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: I think it expected to be that like right away. Yeah,

882
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 3: like Jamar Chase type of Justin Jefferson type of immediate

883
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: impact from Marvin Harrison Jr. I think that they're you know, look,

884
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 3: we talk about the quarterback position a lot, like I

885
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: think the Giants are hamstrung with Daniel Jones. Jury's still

886
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: out on Kyler Murray. I think he looked great against

887
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: the Steelers.

888
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: Last year and he'll do it. He's kind of up

889
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: and down, yes, but.

890
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 3: He's got a legit threat. Now. So again, when you

891
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: talk about you push all your chips in on Trevor Lawrence. Really,

892
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: you've already pushed all your chips in on Kyler Murray.

893
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: So now you're trying to build around that, and you

894
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 3: get You're right, You get a Marvin Harrison Jr. Now

895
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: you have his ad Jones slotted in a proper spot.

896
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 3: They're an interesting team. It comes down of what they're

897
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 3: going to get out of Kyler Murray.

898
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: No, there's no doubt about it. We're now into the bees.

899
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: Rob Okay, The Los Angeles Rams get a B minus.

900
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: Their biggest move this offseason signing guard Jonah Jackson away

901
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: from the Lions.

902
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 3: The movie he liked the most.

903
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: Was signing quarterback Darius Williams away from the Jaguars, and

904
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: the movie he disliked was trading up to draft defensive

905
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: tackle Braden Fisk.

906
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna just just

907
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 3: flat disclaimer with the Rams, right, I'm giving them the

908
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: benefit of it out period. Their draft last year I

909
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 3: would have loved. I'd love to go back and see

910
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: how was that rated. Their draft last year didn't have

911
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: any high picks. They've traded them all the way. They

912
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: had a gazillion picks. They had a gajillion picks, and man,

913
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 3: did they hit some of those picks.

914
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: I mean, well, when you have that many, you should

915
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: hit on If you hit thirty three percent of the mean.

916
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 3: You had twelve picks. Okay, go to Cleveland. You did

917
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: a pretty good job. I understand, go to Cleveland. It's

918
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: not as easy. It's not as easy as it seems.

919
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 3: I'm I am giving them the benefit of it out

920
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 3: because they have they they have gotten more out of

921
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 3: of of some of their offseasons that I think they've

922
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: been credited for. Oh, I agree, I agree.

923
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: Uh, the Houston Texans got to be minus. The biggest

924
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: move was trading for wide receiver. Stuff on Diggs was

925
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: I kind of think is overkill because the movie he

926
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: liked the most was extending wide receiver Nico Collins, And

927
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: I wonder, is Stefan Diggs going to be happy when

928
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 2: Nico Collins is They didn't pay Nico Collins the money

929
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: they gave him to not throw him the football?

930
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: Right?

931
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: And then the movie disliked was restructuring Digg's contract into

932
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: a one year deal.

933
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: That could blow up in their face.

934
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,479
Speaker 2: It really could, because I don't know that Stefon Diggs

935
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: is quite what he was, and I don't know that

936
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: he realizes it yet. And I think he could end

937
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 2: up being the number three receiver on that team, behind

938
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: both Collins and Tank Dell. And I don't know that

939
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: he's going to be happy with that. He wasn't happy

940
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: not getting the football in Buffalo, which I understand when

941
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: he was the number one guy. Is he going to

942
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: be happy? Is his Is his ego going to allow

943
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: him to take a secondary role?

944
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 3: Is CJ. Stroud the next great one? He's pretty good.

945
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: He's pretty good.

946
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 2: I like, Yeah, he's pretty good.

947
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: He could be and then if he if he is,

948
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: then great, give him those weapons and let him go.

949
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 3: But look, you know, you go back and you look

950
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: at Ben Roethlisberger, Hall of Famer. The first year they

951
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 3: really let him go, it was second or third year

952
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: he led the league interceptions, right, so on his way

953
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: almost inevitably, there are some learning Ye, yes, quarterbacks now

954
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: are so. I mean, Roethlisberger was kind of the last

955
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: of the gun slinging breed of NFL quarter Josh Allen's

956
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: got a little bit of that, he does, Yeah, but

957
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: now it's all about touchdown to interception ratio that has

958
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: just become huge. I mean you look back at some

959
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 3: of the Hall of famers, you know, Bradshaw as many

960
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: interceptions as touchdowns, that sort of thing. You know that's

961
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 3: out now you can't you can't do that kind of guy.

962
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: I mean James Jamis and Williams or Jamis Winston hasn't

963
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: been a starter since leading the league with thirty plus interceptions.

964
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: He had forty turnovers that you're with fumbles included, Like,

965
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: nobody's going to hand the ball to that guys. Hey,

966
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: you're a guy, right, very talented, but nobody wants to

967
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: take that step with them.

968
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: But I think so we'll see j Stroud have to

969
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: go through a learning curve probably. Man. I think he's

970
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: awfully good. And I mean they were the surprise. Look

971
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: their offseason last year is an A plus, right just.

972
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: For what they did, continuing to bring in veterans.

973
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 3: Bringing guys that build around those eight pluses you got

974
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 3: last year.

975
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: Let's do one last team here before we get to

976
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 2: a break here in end hour.

977
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 3: Number one.

978
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: That's the Green Bay Packers. They get a B minus.

979
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: Big move was signing safety Xavier Kinney McKinney for a

980
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: twenty three million dollar fully guaranteed contract. The movie he

981
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 2: liked was the McKinney signing. The movie he disliked signing

982
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: running back Josh Jacobs for twelve point five million fully guaranteed.

983
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: That was a curious one. It was. I think they're

984
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: swapping out defensive coordinators. Yeah, I think that's their biggest move.

985
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: I do too. They have what seven first round picks

986
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 3: on defense something like that, and now you've added McKinney.

987
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: They underachieved for the last couple of years with that defense.

988
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 2: And if they can get any kind of defense where

989
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: they're just even middle of the pack right there, are

990
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: much better team because they you know, they've they've got weapons,

991
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: they stockpiled a bunch of wide receivers or that would

992
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: be a team. If I were the Steelers, I'll be

993
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 2: talking to them about, hey, you're going to use this guy,

994
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: we can maybe do something here.

995
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, if they've evaluated. And that's the other thing too,

996
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 3: Like as fans and people that aren't in, you know,

997
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: we're not watching eighteen games a year right by, We're

998
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: not for the Green Bay Pack round. We're not watching.

999
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,479
Speaker 3: But we don't know their personnel the way we're gonna

1000
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 3: know the Pittsburgh Steelers, the teams within our division. I

1001
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: think it kind of goes out like a like a

1002
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: penny thrown in a pond with ripples. Right, We're gonna

1003
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: know the AFC North. That's just the way it is.

1004
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 3: So it's hard to see. Have they evaluated these guys

1005
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: properly where they just simply being misused. If they were

1006
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: evaluated properly and McKinney comes in and a coordinator can

1007
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: change that, this is a frightening football team. Yeah, I

1008
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: mean they could.

1009
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 2: That's a big if they could be a super Bowl

1010
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: contender in the NFC.

1011
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 3: For sure, they could be.

1012
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely he is Rob King sitting in for the vacationing

1013
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I'm dale lolly. I didn't they know we

1014
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: get this deep into this, but I like it. I

1015
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 2: like talking to That's the thing, you know, Steeler fans.

1016
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 2: We do talk a lot of the league in hole here,

1017
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: and I'll bring it back around to what it means

1018
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: to the Steelers. But that's what we do here on

1019
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: the drive. I hope you like that. But that's going

1020
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: to do it for our number one of the drive.

1021
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: We'll be back with our number two continuing to look

1022
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: at this list by Seth Walder. The grades that he

1023
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: has handed out for the entire.

1024
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 3: NFL gotten to the Steelers. Yet we have not yet

1025
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 3: gotten to the Steelers.

1026
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: So we'll be back with more and our number two

1027
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: right after this