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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giants Little Podcast, presented by Citizens, the

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Speaker 1: official bank of the New York Football Giants. John Schmoke

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Speaker 1: with you. Thank you so much for being with us.

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Speaker 1: A crowded Friday show coming your way. As usual, I'll

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Speaker 1: be talking to you Giants tight end Daniel Bellinger, Lance

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Speaker 1: Metow has a chance to talk cowboys with Calvin Watkins,

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Speaker 1: the beat reporter for the Dallas Morning News, and as

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Speaker 1: always our very own Bob Papa, we'll have a chance

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Speaker 1: to talk with the head coach of the Giants, Brian Dable. First,

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Speaker 1: we'll lead off with my interview with Daniel Bellinger. Now

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Speaker 1: we're joined by Giants tight end Daniel Bellinger. Daniel, what's

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Speaker 1: going on man?

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Speaker 4: How are you doing good?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 4: Doing good? Getting ready for Dallas?

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Speaker 1: Well, we just got off the practice field on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: How has practiced been this week? Getting ready for the game.

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Speaker 4: It's been good. You know, we came out with a

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Speaker 4: lot of energy and you know, we prepare. We prepare

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Speaker 4: very well. I think so we just got to take

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Speaker 4: that and take it to the field on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: So, how has the locker room processed what happened with

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Speaker 1: with Daniel last week, which obviously impacts the whole team.

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Speaker 4: Right, you know, it's a it's a blow to the team.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's obviously a great guy, great leader in

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Speaker 4: our locker room. So when something like that happens, you know,

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Speaker 4: you obviously feel for the guy, just came back from

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Speaker 4: the neck injury, and it's it's it's just tough. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's just tough for him, it's tough for us. And

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Speaker 4: all we can do is, you know, take it day

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Speaker 4: by day and you know, take the next step, be

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Speaker 4: there for the guy. But like I said, just keep

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Speaker 4: getting ready and take the next step for Dallas.

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Speaker 1: What's been the message from Dave's and the veteran team

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Speaker 1: captains about how you guys now continue to carry on him.

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Speaker 1: You still have eight games left in the year.

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Speaker 4: Right, Just stick together, you know, stick together, make sure

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Speaker 4: that you know, we're a resilient team, you know, I

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Speaker 4: think so just just staying saying together, taking those steps,

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Speaker 4: like I said, and at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: just we just got to produce better when it's time.

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Speaker 1: Has there been a rally around Tommy type of effect here?

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Speaker 1: Obviously he's got the odds stacked against the one drafted

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's definitely he's got some swag to him,

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Speaker 4: you know, and that's why, you know, brings it to

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Speaker 4: the team and brings the energy. You know, like I said,

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Speaker 4: I we we've had a lot of energy this last week.

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Speaker 4: And you know it starts with him.

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Speaker 1: You're not the first person to you know, they kind

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Speaker 1: of talk about him with a certain amount of charisma, right,

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Speaker 1: What is it about him that kind of gives him

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Speaker 4: He's got that h that Jersey swag. Man, it's just

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Speaker 4: just who he is, you know. It's it's the Jersey

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Speaker 1: How has he been in practice trying to pick everything up?

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Speaker 1: And now, you know, it's one thing to run scout

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Speaker 1: How has he been this week as the guy?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, It's it's tough for anybody, you know, you throw

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Speaker 1: How can you guys help him? You talk about the offense,

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Speaker 1: how it's complex, right, you do things based on what

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Speaker 1: What is it about what you've seen from him throughout

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he has no fear, you know. I think that

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Speaker 4: we love that about him. I love that about him

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Speaker 4: that he just goes out and plays and he's not

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Speaker 1: Would you rather have that guy that maybe you have

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Speaker 4: You want the guy that you want to have to

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Speaker 1: Now, unfortunately, your team this year on offense has dealt

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Speaker 1: From your quarterback, you're running back, you're starting tackles, you're

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Speaker 1: one position where I think you haven't had a lot

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Speaker 1: of injuries yet how has that hindered your guys' ability

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough. You know, it's tough when injuries happen,

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Speaker 4: we can't make an excuse for it. You know, every

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's definitely tough trying to have consistency

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Speaker 4: It's it's like what we need to do is you know,

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Speaker 4: we just have to gel together next man that mentality

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out the mechanics of it.

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Speaker 1: stuff like that, where it's harder to build from week

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's tough, like you know, it's it's

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Speaker 4: comes down to individually where we have to be locked

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Speaker 4: it's the communication aspect of it. If a guy's kind

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Speaker 4: or seen it looks a lot, that's where that's where

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Speaker 4: you communicate with him. But like, all right, that's what

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Speaker 4: we got to do on this playas what we got

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Speaker 1: You would like though by week nine you would think

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Speaker 1: that's something that's instinctual and it's not something you have

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Speaker 4: Right right, It's it's it's ups and downs, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's it's tough. But uh, something that you just every

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Speaker 1: Know, sure, and your position too. Now Darren Waller's on

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Speaker 1: I think last week I looked it up, you were

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like I was ready, you know, just

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Speaker 4: did a good job of making sure not just myself

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Speaker 4: in case something did happen, unfortunately it did, just being ready.

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Speaker 1: Now, obviously that's a role you played last year, so

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Speaker 1: Was it a different role? Just talk to me a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely a little different. You know, Darren brings

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Speaker 4: So I would say it's a little different for myself

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Speaker 4: and like unfortunately it did. But it's a little different,

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm not even gonna ask you, do you like

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Speaker 1: a lot of blocking in the run game and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that while Darren was on the field, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's those are the things that help us win.

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Speaker 4: So it's like I take pride in it, and it's

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: The important part is is the job's got to get done.

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Speaker 1: How much can you take out of that first game?

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Speaker 1: What makes Michael Parsons, Michael Parsons elite athlete.

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Speaker 1: And they're gonna play a lot of man, right, so

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Speaker 1: Got ready for him, Daniel, Best of luck, man, thanks

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Speaker 1: a closer look at the Giants opponent this week. Lance

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Speaker 1: Meadow talks with Calvin Watkins, who covers the Cowboys with

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Speaker 3: The Giants at Cowboys wrap up their season series this

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Speaker 3: Sunday at at and T Stadium in Dallas. Cowboys won

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Speaker 3: the first meeting forty to nothing in week one at

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Speaker 3: MetLife Stadium, and this time around, it'll be Tommy DeVito

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Speaker 3: for the Dallas Morning News, none other than Calvin Watkins. Calvin,

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Speaker 3: you got Lance Meadow here on Giants dot Com. Greatly

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Speaker 3: appreciate the time. Hope Pole as well. Has everything on

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Speaker 3: your end?

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Speaker 2: Things are going good. You've been all right.

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Speaker 3: I've been great and I'm looking forward to another matchup

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Speaker 3: in comparison to the Dallas Cowboys. Calvin, It's fair to say,

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Speaker 2: in the game. So yes, at the end, it was close.

437
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Speaker 2: But as DeMarcus Lawrence said going into that game, this

438
00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,440
Speaker 2: was a game for us to make a statement and

439
00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,760
Speaker 2: they did not. So against two Toller contenders of forty

440
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Speaker 2: nine ers and the Eagles, you lost. Doesn't matter how

441
00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,320
Speaker 2: you lost a loss as a loss. So there you

442
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Speaker 2: have it. So you could say maybe the Cowboys or

443
00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,360
Speaker 2: the third or the fourth best team in the conference.

444
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Speaker 2: But does that get you We'll find out in January.

445
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Speaker 3: It's a result oriented business. There's only so many Brownie

446
00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,760
Speaker 3: points that could be given out in the actual football league.

447
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Speaker 3: Speaking of the separation of statistics, interestingly, Cowboys at home

448
00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,840
Speaker 3: this season three and zero averaging thirty seven points per game.

449
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Speaker 3: On the road, Calvin two and three, twenty two points

450
00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,960
Speaker 3: per game. Now, as you mentioned, styles make fights, I

451
00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,840
Speaker 3: would also argue the caliber of the competition is also

452
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Speaker 3: indicative right of records and numbers. So when you look

453
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Speaker 3: at that disparity, because it is a bit noticeable, how

454
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Speaker 3: much is that a byproduct of well, at home they

455
00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,800
Speaker 3: played the Jets and the Patriots and on the road

456
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Speaker 3: they played the Niners and the Chargers and the Eagles.

457
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Speaker 3: And maybe there's not so much to read into that,

458
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Speaker 3: I guess, is what I'm getting at.

459
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Speaker 2: You can say that. I mean, you look at the

460
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Speaker 2: first meeting between the Giants and the Cowboys. It was

461
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Speaker 2: a blowout, and that was on the road, you know,

462
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Speaker 2: and it was in the rain. It was all those

463
00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,240
Speaker 2: kinds of things. And yeah, the Jets that they didn't

464
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Speaker 2: have Aaron Rodgers, so the Jets were going through something there.

465
00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,119
Speaker 2: New England kind of surprised me a little bit, But

466
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Speaker 2: you know, they don't have the quarterback play. I will

467
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Speaker 2: say in the three games the Jets and Evan Rodgers,

468
00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,960
Speaker 2: the pass had Matt Jones who played terribly in that game,

469
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Speaker 2: and then Matthew Stafford for the Rams. He got knocked

470
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Speaker 2: out of that game or a thumb injury, so they

471
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Speaker 2: knocked They had some inferior quarterbacks and they had a

472
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Speaker 2: great quarterback and Matthew Stafford and they knocked them out

473
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Speaker 2: the game. So to me, that was kind of like

474
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Speaker 2: the difference in those home games on the road. Like

475
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Speaker 2: we said, they point I is just better than them.

476
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Speaker 2: You know, they got upset in Arizona, had a pretty

477
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Speaker 2: competitive game against the Eagles. So but the main thing

478
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Speaker 2: about being at home. Mike McCarthy talks about this all

479
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Speaker 2: the time. Handle your business at home, everything else will

480
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Speaker 2: fall into place. That's exactly what.

481
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Speaker 3: They're doing, and they certainly have handled their business against

482
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Speaker 3: the Giants in recent and far history. The numbers jump

483
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Speaker 3: off the page were not very good reason for Big Blue.

484
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Speaker 3: But I want to focus on quarterback play for the

485
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Speaker 3: Cowboys here. You were talking about the quarterbacks. They've gone

486
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Speaker 3: up against Dak Prescott seven touchdown passes over the last

487
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Speaker 3: two games. They've really aired it out since coming off

488
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Speaker 3: of the buy. What's been the difference Calvin in comparison

489
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Speaker 3: to earlier this season, Not that they haven't been playing

490
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Speaker 3: good offense, but we certainly have not seen the numbers

491
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Speaker 3: through the air as much as we're seeing in emphasis now.

492
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Speaker 2: No, he's I think he's averaging like seventy completion percentage

493
00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:19,720
Speaker 2: in the league that might have been thirty in the league.

494
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Speaker 4: And he's been playing really well.

495
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Speaker 2: But the key is after that forty nine Ers game,

496
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Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb said we need to talk, and he talked

497
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,800
Speaker 2: to Dak Prescott, he talked to Brian Schottenheimer, the defensive coordinator.

498
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 2: He talked to Robert Prince to receivers coachy. Obviously, he

499
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 2: talked to Micha McCarthy, the head coach. He's like, give

500
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Speaker 2: me the ball. I mean, I mean, I'm like your

501
00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 2: number one receiver and you're treating me like I'm just

502
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Speaker 2: a guy. And ever since that game, the forty nine game,

503
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,639
Speaker 2: CD has got over one of your receiving yards and

504
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,120
Speaker 2: he has set highs and receiving yards to the last

505
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Speaker 2: three weeks. So Dak getting the ball to Ceedee Lamb

506
00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 2: tight end Jake Ferguson has helped tremendously. That has played

507
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 2: pretty good for the whole season, for the exception of

508
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 2: the Arizona game, where I thought he wasn't as good

509
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 2: as he should have been. In the forty nine er game,

510
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,639
Speaker 2: in a big game like that, he should have stepped up.

511
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,680
Speaker 2: Rock pretty out played him. But that's over with. But

512
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 2: over the last couple of weeks that's been outstanding. And

513
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 2: the key to me is because he's focusing on getting

514
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Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb the ball. Jake Fergson is a glory of

515
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,400
Speaker 2: his second year kid fromo Wisconsin. He's maturing a lot

516
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 2: more so, and the running game has not been what

517
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Speaker 2: they thought it was going to be. So everything's been

518
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 2: about passing and Dak is embraced that and he's playing

519
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 2: really well. He's been one of the best quarterbacks in

520
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Speaker 2: the league the last month or so.

521
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Speaker 3: I want to focus more on cd because I think

522
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Speaker 3: we've even seen this with Devonte Adams and the Raiders,

523
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Speaker 3: who the Giants actually just played, and he also was

524
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 3: complaining about wanting the ball, and the numbers didn't necessarily

525
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 3: skyrocket Calvin in the last game. They didn't need to.

526
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Speaker 3: But as you well know from covering the NFL, it's

527
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Speaker 3: one thing to say, Okay, you want to get a

528
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 3: guy more involved, then you're force feed the ball and

529
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 3: it actually hurts you more so than it helps you.

530
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Speaker 3: But I look at cdee Lamb's numbers and you were

531
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Speaker 3: alluding to this, thirty seven targets, thirty receptions in the

532
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Speaker 3: last three games. So it's not to me Calvin that

533
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 3: they've been getting in the ball. It's the fact that

534
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 3: it's been efficient in terms of the connection between.

535
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Speaker 1: Doc and him.

536
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Speaker 3: So what has been the difference there? Because CD can

537
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 3: want the ball all he wants, but that doesn't mean

538
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 3: Dak should be hitting the home run every single play.

539
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Speaker 2: I think one of the keys is to moving them

540
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Speaker 2: all over the field. He's made a lot of his

541
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Speaker 2: biggest plays in the slot. Cede said, I'm not a

542
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 2: slot receiver. That's fine, you're not a slot receiver, but

543
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: you're playing all three receiver spots. And they got him

544
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Speaker 2: in motion more. Calvins are using emotion a lot more

545
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 2: this year. I think we're last year. That's also been helpful.

546
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: McCarthy wants Dak to get rid of the ball. They

547
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Speaker 2: called the two point three above the two point three

548
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Speaker 2: get rid of the ball two point three seconds. If

549
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 2: the pocket breaks down, get you behind out of the

550
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 2: pocket and find somebody scramble jewels, those kinds of think.

551
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: You know that and CD and Dak have been in

552
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 2: a great you know, they're on the same length in

553
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 2: terms of knowing what to do when the pocket breaks down.

554
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 2: Dak's using his legs a whole lot more getting out

555
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 2: of the pocket. It's not so much we got on bootlegs.

556
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 2: It's oh, you know what, someone's in my face, let

557
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 2: me get out of here. CD recognizes it. Down the field,

558
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: he gets to open spot, they get a connection. So

559
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: a lot of those things have been helpful for the

560
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Speaker 2: Cowboys offense the last month or so.

561
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Speaker 3: On the topic of targets, I know, a big theme

562
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Speaker 3: this week at Mike McCarthy's press conferences from the members

563
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 3: of the Dallas media, including yourself, has been the focus

564
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 3: on Brandon Cook's out and you're smiling and chuckling because

565
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 3: you know what I'm talking about it. Mike came out

566
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Speaker 3: and had that line, Well, I don't get invested in

567
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Speaker 3: fantasy football, so stop asking me about why Brandon Cooks

568
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 3: has not necessarily had overwhelming targets. But in fairness, I

569
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Speaker 3: mean twenty nine targets through seven games. I think most people,

570
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 3: whether they're investing in the Cowboys or not, would say, Okay,

571
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Speaker 3: they went out, they acquired him. He's probably gonna play

572
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: a prevalent role within the offense. It's not a stretch

573
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Speaker 3: to say that.

574
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Speaker 5: So two parter for you.

575
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Speaker 3: One, why has he not been as involved that you

576
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Speaker 3: can answer as oppost to McCarthy and number two, do

577
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 3: you feel as if he's doing other things that don't

578
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 3: necessarily show up in the box score even though he's

579
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 3: not getting the ball that much.

580
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Speaker 2: Well, I answer the second part. First, I would say

581
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Speaker 2: he's in some things. He might be doing some clear

582
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 2: outs to open up for Surti, he's blocking down a field,

583
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: those kinds of things. He's not causing, disrupt, disrupt, he's

584
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: not being disruptive force in the meeting room. So he's

585
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: doing all the things. He's a pro and that's what

586
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 2: you do. So yes, these are other things. One of

587
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: the things we saw in training camp was vertical routes.

588
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: He's going to take the top off the defense. We

589
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 2: have not seen that this season, as you know, as

590
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: a game mean something. UH defenses are keeping two safeties

591
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 2: deep or one safety to shame it, and Brandon Cooks

592
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 2: is open. He's not getting the ball because CD. I'm

593
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: not even gonna say complain because CD said, hey, get

594
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: me involved. They're getting CD more involved, and that means

595
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: someone else is not getting touches, and that's Brandon Cooks.

596
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: One of the things that Brandon Cooks does so well

597
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: is he does vertical routes well, but he also got

598
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 2: to get him on some slants, you know, get him

599
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: in situations where you can get people in space. You

600
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: can use that speed and lousiveness to make plays in

601
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: the passing game. And that's something they're not doing enough of.

602
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 2: And that's all McCarthy. That's on Schottenheimer, that's on Brandon Cooks.

603
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 2: It's a combination of things, is you know, it's all

604
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 2: a puzzle, you know. So they've solved the CD Lamb

605
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: puzzle of getting him the ball. Now they got to

606
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: get Brandon Cooks the ball. And another reason why he's

607
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: not getting the ball is Jake ferguson the tight end.

608
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Speaker 2: He's you know, he had a career day last week

609
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: against Philadelphia, so he's taking some targets away. There was

610
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Speaker 2: a pass to Cooks in that Eagles game. It was

611
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Speaker 2: along the sidelines. There was a high throw open, get

612
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 2: him the ball. Now, there was a touchdown throw to

613
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: rookie tight end Luke Schoolmaker that was wiped out because

614
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: his knee was down before he got in the end zone.

615
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks was open on the backside and Dak just missed.

616
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: You know, So Cooks is getting open. He's just not

617
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: getting the ball that he needs. And yeah, it's not

618
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: fantasy football, but there's a reason why you traded two

619
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Speaker 2: draft picks to get Brandon Cooks to utilize him, and

620
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Speaker 2: he's not being utilized enough.

621
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Speaker 3: Oh and that's a fair point, especially him getting open

622
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Speaker 3: inserting throws which don't necessarily show up in the box score.

623
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Speaker 3: That's why I want you to at least delve into that.

624
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Speaker 3: As we're talking with Calvin Watkins, he covers the Cowboys

625
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 3: for the Dallas Morning News, I want to go back

626
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Speaker 3: to something you mentioned earlier, and you said the running

627
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: game just has not been what perhaps we've been exposed

628
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Speaker 3: to in previous years. And they did move on from

629
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Speaker 3: Ezekiel Elliott, but Tony Pollard has proven to be a

630
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Speaker 3: jack of all trades running back and they have some

631
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: young guys. What would you pin your point wise on

632
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 3: that as to why it hasn't been effective, Calvin? Is

633
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: it a product of the individual personnel, the offensive line,

634
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: or just the fact that right now they're emphasizing for

635
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 3: of the aerial attack.

636
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: I think they've been emphasizing an aerial attack, and some

637
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: of their games, as McCarty say, have been unbalanced that

638
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: that first Giants stands forty to nothing. So you just

639
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 2: in that fourth quarter, if we look at that tape,

640
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: we go, oh my gosh, they're just they just running

641
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: plays out there. So Arizona they were playing catchup, so

642
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: you throw the ball over the field. The winger was

643
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: a blowout, so they're just running plays. So so when

644
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 2: you look at the running game, it has not been good.

645
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: The offensive line is the first place you start. It

646
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: has not been as good as as it has been

647
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 2: in the past. Turned Steel the starting the right tag,

648
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: had an abysmal day against the Eagles. But in the

649
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: running game, they have not They have not been able

650
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: to run behind Zach Martin. It's all for right guard.

651
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 2: Tony Pollard is the lead dog, and there's a lot

652
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: of pressure when it becomes when you become the lead dog,

653
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 2: you got to pass protect and when he does a

654
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: great job with that, you're on the field a lot more.

655
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: And plus Pollard, as you know, it's coming off that

656
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: fractured leg he suffered in a forty nine playoff game

657
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: last year. And Mike McCarthy was talking about this on Thursday.

658
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: It takes a year for a guy to really fully

659
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: recover from a severe leg injury like that. So maybe

660
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: next year you'll see Tony Pollard with the speed that

661
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,239
Speaker 2: we're a customed to scene from him. But his other thing,

662
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: the Cowboys don't have a big back. That was the

663
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: thing about Zeke Ezekiel Elliott was a big guy, thick

664
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 2: guy you get. You know, he can get those two

665
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: or three yards that you need. Paula is not a big,

666
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: thick guy like Zeke, So you know, some of those

667
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: plays you're not gonna get from Paula. You gotta get

668
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: him off the edge a little bit. And this is

669
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: where you need your offensive line to say, we have

670
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: a smaller backpack there. We gotta get a push. We

671
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 2: got to show while we're in await room every day

672
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: and we gotta get a push, and we gotta get

673
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: Tony and those two or three yards that we need

674
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: on a short down and distant situations. The combination of things,

675
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys might be tinkering with the defensive

676
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: line blocking schemes a little bit. There might be a

677
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: change going into this game against the Giants possibly, so

678
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: maybe that might help.

679
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: On the topic of changing and shifting personnel. I want

680
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: to flip the script to the defensive side of the ball.

681
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: Since the Cowboys met the Giants last in Week one,

682
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 3: Dallas loss Leyden Van derresh to injured reserve at linebacker

683
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: and Trayvon Diggs one of their top corners, and Calvin,

684
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: You've been covering the Cowboys long enough. I'll even bring

685
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: Sean Lee into the conversation. So I'm gonna go a

686
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: bit old school on you. When they have lost their

687
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: middle linebacker, the key, the heart, and soul, it's almost

688
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: as if the defense is night and day compared to

689
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: when those two guys were on the field. So I

690
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: guess what I'm getting at is and we've seen the

691
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: scoring defense and the red zone defensive dipped over the

692
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: last few weeks. What has been the biggest change in

693
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: your mind with Van dersh not being on the field

694
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: as well as Trayvon Diggs. I'll add him in as

695
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: well well.

696
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: When they lost Trayvon Diggs had a kid named dron

697
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: Bland who has been outstanding. He let the team with

698
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: five interceptions last year. He's got three pick six's already.

699
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: Uh this year. He's been fantastic. You know, he's a

700
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: middle round mid round picks.

701
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: The Giants by the way in Week one, that's right, yeah,

702
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: and the special teams helped him and also too, they

703
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: had a block think field goal in that ballgame.

704
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: So but dron Bland has been outstanding and he's stepped

705
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: up for them and we play He's not Trayvon Diggs,

706
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: but he's more than serviceable in replacing Diggs and they've

707
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: been good. And on the other side, we don't talk

708
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: about him enough is Fan Gilmore. He's had a pretty

709
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: nice season, pretty good season. Teams don't throw it through

710
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: his side, but when they do it's usually incomplete, so's

711
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: he's quality had a pretty good season. When it comes

712
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: to not having Vanderish, they replaced him with the two

713
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: young guys. Damone Clark from l s U was a

714
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: draft picked the previous year. As you know, he had

715
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: surgery on his neck and that delay that he fell

716
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: really into the middle rounds. He's like a first or

717
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: second round pick if not for that surgery, and he's

718
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: played really well in Vannerish's spot. Marquise Bell as another

719
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: kid that they found from Florida A and m U

720
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: drafted kid and he's like those tweeners that Dan Quinn

721
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: likes to use. These their safeties, but we're gonna put

722
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 2: him at linebacker because they're tall, they have long wings fans,

723
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: they can cover running backs, they can cover tight ends,

724
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: and they're physical. So Bell and Clark have really placed

725
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: vannerish in the middle of the field. And plus you

726
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: got this other guy named Michael Parson's running around, so

727
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: you know, it's so much you have to worry about

728
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: the Cowboys defense. But Bell and Clark have played really

729
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: well in the middle, and the Ron Bland has obviously

730
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: replaced Trayvon Diggs. Now he's not at that level that

731
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: where trevon Days is. As I said, he's more than

732
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: serviceable at corner.

733
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it reminds me of dan Quinn having the demonte

734
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: KzS and the Keano Neils of the world. Those tweeners

735
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: cal that you're referring to. Yeah, they seem to flourish

736
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: within this scheme. Speaking of dan Quinn's approach, Tommy DeVito

737
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: now is under center. So what the Cowboys defense did

738
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: when Daniel Jones was steering the offense, it wasn't pretty.

739
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: They had seven sacks, They completely dominated in the trenches.

740
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: What do you think the approach Calvin is going to

741
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: be for dan Quinn this week in terms of his

742
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: level of aggressiveness, knowing that it's his first career start

743
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: and he clearly is an undrafted rookie who has very

744
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 3: limited experience.

745
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: One of the things that dan Quinn talked about is

746
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: even though he's a rookie, he's playing, he's playing in

747
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: the same system. So and they got Sae Kwon Barkley,

748
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: who he's pretty good, I guess, so they're gonna play

749
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: the system. I don't think Dan's gonna combats splits a lot. Okay,

750
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: let's let's just be honest. It blitz a lot anyway,

751
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: Michael Parsons, you know, I think he's third in the

752
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: n NFL in past rush win rate of thirty four percent.

753
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: So he's gonna get he's gonna get home. You know.

754
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: I don't think the Cabas will will blitz more than

755
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: they have been in the past because he got a

756
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: rookie quarterback. But one of them that think they will

757
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: do is in the secondary, they're gonna just coverages. They're

758
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: gonna make it harder for the veto to kind of

759
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: figure out what's going on. And if he's taking some

760
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: time to figure out what are they doing back there.

761
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: Michael Parson is gonna get after him. Doron Armstrong is

762
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: gonna get after him. DeMarcus Lawrence is gonna get after him.

763
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: So those are the things that you will see more

764
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: so than blitzing, because the Cowboys are confident in their

765
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: blitz attack already under normal circumstance.

766
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: And the twists and the stunts that are big states yep, yeah,

767
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 3: And the Giants had problems with that in week one.

768
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: So I'm with you there, Calvin.

769
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: I think that's gonna be a facet that will come

770
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: into play this time around. Before I let you go,

771
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: I want to bring special teams into the equation. When

772
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: these teams last met, Cowboys were turning to a rookie

773
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: kicker who has put on quite the show. I mean

774
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: NFL record here, nineteen straight field goals to begin a

775
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: career that have been successful for Brandon Aubrey. You've watched

776
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: him going back to training camp. Calvin, and we also

777
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: not to pour salt into the wounds of what the

778
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: Cowboys had to do with with Brent Maher's struggles last postseason,

779
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: but how much of a pleasant surprise has this been.

780
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: I mean, Aubrey a soccer background. They take a flyer

781
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: on a young guy, and all of a sudden he's

782
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: been mister automatic for them.

783
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: It is surprising, especially after what they went through last

784
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: year with Brett Maher at twenty the end of the year.

785
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: The big thing with Aubrey is that he's not like

786
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: he's twenty three years old. You know, He's an older guy.

787
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: And he played in the MLS. So one of the

788
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: things he said was, I was a rookie in the MLS,

789
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: so I went through the jitters there, and then I

790
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: was a rookie in the XFL, so I was a

791
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: rookie there, and now I'm like a veteran in mindset,

792
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: because he said, I didn't handle being a rookie well

793
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: in soccer, you know, because he's a local kid and

794
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: those kinds of things. So now he said with the

795
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: great Dallas Cowboys, being a local kid, so he's a

796
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: lot calmer and he's mature, and he's like, hey, this

797
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: is yeah. I'm a rookie per se when it comes

798
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: to that, you know my experience level. But mentally, I

799
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: am older, I'm more mature. I can handle this thing.

800
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: Just to get too excited. Cowboys used to have this

801
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: thing called staying neutral, and that's what that's Brandon Aubrey.

802
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: He's just neutral. He's just nothing really affects him too much.

803
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: He had a kickoff that went out of bounds last week.

804
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: Special teams go say it was my fault. So how's

805
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: your fault You're not even on the field. He said, well,

806
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 2: I moved one of the guys went it down to

807
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 2: fit the L five closer to the kicker, and that

808
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: messed up Aubrey, you know. And so then we said, well,

809
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 2: what he had a pat that hit the upright, He

810
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 2: said that that will happen. Remember, he missed the first

811
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: point after a tenth of his career, and then he

812
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: hasn't missed anything. Then he's made nineteen consecutive field goal

813
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: attempts and it's been unbelievable. So the maturity level of

814
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: him just suits it is just perfect right now. Now

815
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: we'll find out about next year, but so far, so

816
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: good for Brandon Aubrey. And he's been healthy. They got

817
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: a new operation too, they got a new snapper, so

818
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: the whole thing is new and he's been fantastic. It's

819
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: it's really good to see. But that's one of the

820
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,959
Speaker 2: areas on this seam. What the COVA was not worried about.

821
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: It's kick her because last year they we're worried about

822
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: mahar especially he can even get a pat right.

823
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: Last year, you know, And that's big because it adds

824
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: up in terms of close games and so forth. And

825
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: John Fossil has done a really good job with respect

826
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: to special teams. And that's where I want to end

827
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: the conversation, Calvin, because the dynamics of a team, specifically

828
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 3: on special teams changes as you ask guys on offense

829
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: and defense to take on bigger roles. And I've noticed

830
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: Cavante Turpin playing a role more on offense. I mean,

831
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 3: he had a rushing score against the Giants. I'll bring

832
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 3: in Marquise Bell, who you mentioned. You talk about jan

833
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 3: Ye Thomas who had the block field goal against the Giants.

834
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I could sit here and name a bunch

835
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 3: of other guys, Jalen Tolbert. My point is, how has

836
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: that given Fossil a bit of a challenge to maintain

837
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 3: the stronghold of special teams, even though I'm assuming, I

838
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: mean he's losing personnel because they're playing more prominent roles

839
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: in other facets of the team.

840
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it was Jayalen Trover a little bit

841
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: more is get more time on offense. He lost Bell,

842
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: he lost Clark, as you said, all these guys. Yeah, yeah,

843
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: that's what That's what makes bones Fossil one of the

844
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: better special teams coordinators in the NFL is because he's

845
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: mixing and matching guys. And when you look at the

846
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: practice squad, you say, hey, these guys play special teams.

847
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: They signed with Sean Evans, who's a former first round

848
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: pick for the practice squad. They put them on special teams.

849
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: He's a short tackler. You know, they the first period

850
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: of practice every day it's a special teams practice and

851
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: everyone gets to look at at what they what you

852
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: can do one day. Thomas, he's played really well. He's

853
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: a safety. Started the Giants game, you know, because they

854
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: had a for safety package out there and he was

855
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: out there. Cowboys trusted these kids. They put a special

856
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: emphasis on special teams because they have one of the

857
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: best special teams guys in the league. And and you

858
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: could see that and look with Goslin, he's worked with

859
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: the Morning News.

860
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 4: He used to have these.

861
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: Special teams rankings. So I wonder if the Cowboys being

862
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: the top five special teams rankings at the end of

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Speaker 2: the year. If they blockfield goals, there block punts. Last

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Speaker 2: week against Philly, that Michael Parsons trying to block a

865
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Speaker 2: punt in the fourth quarter of that game. So everyone's

866
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Speaker 2: involved in this thing, and I think that's a positive

867
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Speaker 2: for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: And something for the Giants to keep close tabs on,

869
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Speaker 3: because I think we were exposed to that in Week

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Speaker 3: one where Michael Parsons was involved on special teams all

871
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, it provides a bit of a root

872
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Speaker 3: awakening for the guys up front, as if they don't

873
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: have to deal with enough on the offensive line with

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Speaker 3: respect to tackling the Dallas defense. He is Calvin Watkins.

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Speaker 3: He covers the Cowboys for the Dallas Morning News. Calvin,

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Speaker 3: this was a lot of fun. Really enjoyed the conversation.

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Speaker 3: I look forward to the game and I look forward

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Speaker 3: to speaking down the road. Thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you, man, Take care and see you down

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Speaker 2: the line.

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Speaker 1: That's Calvin Watkins in the Dallas Morning News. Giant Fans

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Speaker 1: Learn more at citizensbank dot com. Now let's turn to

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Speaker 1: the voice of the Giants, Bob Papa, with the head

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Speaker 1: coach of the Giants, Brian Dable.

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Speaker 5: The Giants take on the Dallas Cowboys as always, were

895
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Speaker 5: joined by the head coach of the New York Giants,

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00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 5: Brian Dable and coach obviously, you're going here to Dallas,

897
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 5: Tommy DeVito's getting the start for your team. What did

898
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 5: you see in Devido during practice this week and the

899
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 5: kind of growth that you're seeing in this young man

900
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Speaker 5: who's been thrust into this interesting situation to.

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Speaker 7: Say the least, Yeah, Bob, he's doing everything he can

902
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 7: do to go out there and play a good game.

903
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 7: He's been good in the meetings, he spent a lot

904
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 7: of extra time here, He's had a good week of practice. Again,

905
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 7: he doesn't have to do everything He just has to

906
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 7: go out there and perform his job the best he can.

907
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 5: You know, one of the things that I like to

908
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 5: talk with fans about is the fact that you know,

909
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 5: he did enough to earn a spot on your team

910
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,479
Speaker 5: through training camp, right or at least get a spot

911
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 5: on your practice squad. He was given an opportunity and

912
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 5: he kind of ran with it. What were some of

913
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 5: the things that caught you and your staff's eye this

914
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Speaker 5: summer with the odds always stacked against an undrafted rookie

915
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 5: of making a team to be a part of your

916
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 5: Giants team to start.

917
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 7: With, Yeah, I think he's improved a lot. You know,

918
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 7: from OTA's where it's it's kind of tough for any

919
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 7: young player, but particularly at that position. And he improved

920
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 7: into training camp and did a good job in the preseason,

921
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Speaker 7: and you know, every step along the way, he's kind

922
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 7: of made continual improvement. So he'll have an opportunity to

923
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 7: go out there and play against a very good football team,

924
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 7: and again, he's prepared and done everything he could do

925
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 7: to try to go out there and play as good

926
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 7: as he can play.

927
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Speaker 5: You know, we always talk about fast starts, and people

928
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Speaker 5: equate that strictly to offense, like, oh, they got to

929
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Speaker 5: get off to a fast start, they got to move

930
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 5: the ball. But as we saw last week against the Raiders,

931
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Speaker 5: getting off to a fast start defensively is also important

932
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 5: because they thought that first drive gave that team, with

933
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Speaker 5: all the turmoil that they had gone through, a little boost.

934
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Speaker 5: Can you talk about defensive fast starts and how important

935
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 5: that is and setting a tone as well.

936
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just say, overall, a team complimentary football. So

937
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 7: if you defer and you kick it off or they

938
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 7: in that case they deferred and kicked it off to

939
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 7: us going three and out and then putting them down

940
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 7: and them having a good drive and them going to

941
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Speaker 7: get a score. You know, anytime you can get the

942
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Speaker 7: lead early usually as a result of team football, whether

943
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Speaker 7: that's a kicking game, defense, offense. And that's certainly something

944
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Speaker 7: that you know, we keep working on. I haven't been

945
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Speaker 7: there yet, particularly, i'd say offensively, but to let them

946
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 7: go down and to drive and get a touchdown, I

947
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 7: think that that's you know, like it does give teams

948
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Speaker 7: momentum and then your ability to answer after that first

949
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 7: score is critical.

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Speaker 5: You know, coach I was thinking about this too in

951
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 5: the in the aftermath of the loss. I think one

952
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 5: thing that probably people didn't realize externally was there was

953
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 5: a lot of positives from your offensive line in this

954
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 5: football game as you're starting to get people back and

955
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 5: trying to get pieces in place.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 5: I know Evan Neil got hurt, but Tyree Phillips has

958
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 5: done a very nice job since he's been back.

959
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 7: Did you guys as a staff see a similar thing

960
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 7: as far as the line, Yeah, I think our line

961
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 7: has really improved throughout year. Obviously, we've We've had a

962
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Speaker 7: bunch of different players in there. Bobby's done a good

963
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 7: job with them. We've kind of settled in a little bit. Obviously,

964
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Speaker 7: Tyree coming back has has helped us with Evan's absence

965
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 7: and then getting Andrew back. But you know the interior

966
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Speaker 7: three guys with Pugh and Brettison and John Michael and

967
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Speaker 7: even Glow when he's in there, those a good job

968
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Speaker 7: of communicating and that's where it starts. So I think

969
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 7: there's been improvement in that area. It's good to have

970
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 7: those guys back. You know, we've had a variety of

971
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Speaker 7: guys starting at different times throughout the season, so consistencies.

972
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Speaker 7: Talking about the Cowboys here, they're coming off with loss

973
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Speaker 7: a tough one against Philadelphia, a chance to win the game.

974
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Speaker 5: Dak Prescott's been playing lights out football the last couple

975
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Speaker 5: of weeks. They don't have the same kind of one

976
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Speaker 5: two punch running game that we've seen them have in

977
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Speaker 5: the past, but they're still having success offensive. What do

978
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 5: you think the keys are that you're going to have

979
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Speaker 5: to deal with in this game today to try to

980
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 5: at least slow that down? Sure, well, it starts up

981
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 5: front for every team, and they have a good offensive line.

982
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 5: They've gotten some guys back. They play well together. They

983
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 5: protect Zach and Dek does a good job. They protect Dak,

984
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 5: and Dek does a good job of distributing the ball.

985
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 5: He's got good skilled players. Cede Lamb is one heck

986
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 5: of a receiver. They move him around a lot motion

987
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 5: them get him in different spots. He does a great

988
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 5: job with creating separation. He's he's a really smart receiver.

989
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 7: And I think Ferguson is really an underrated tight ends

990
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 7: who can do both the run and the past. Well,

991
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 7: so you know you had gallup veteran Cooks. You know,

992
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 7: those guys are a talented team, and Dak does a

993
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 7: good job He's done a good job since he's played.

994
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 7: He's a heck of a quarterback. He's won a lot

995
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 7: of football games. They usually score a lot of points

996
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 7: when he's playing quarterback, and definitely a challenge.

997
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 5: Final question, coach. Last year on Thanksgiving, you guys played

998
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 5: in Dallas and you made the game muddy and there

999
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 5: were some opportunities. There was that famous fourth and one

1000
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 5: play that wasn't executed. But is that sort of the

1001
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 5: blueprint when you're going into somebody's building as talented as

1002
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 5: the Cowboys is, Hey, let's just get this deeper into

1003
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 5: the game, Let's make it muddy and then late, we

1004
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 5: got to make the plays when they appear.

1005
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, play a clean game. You know, turnovers will be

1006
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 7: a big key. You know they've lost three games and

1007
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 7: all different kinds of ways against Arizona, against the forty

1008
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 7: nine ers, and last week against the Eagles. You know,

1009
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 7: you got to play a smart football game when you're

1010
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 7: playing this team. They got an explosive offense, they got

1011
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 7: an explosive defense obviously with Micah and Lawrence and those

1012
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 7: guys are one heck of a tanem in terms of

1013
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 7: getting to the quarterback, but taking care of the football,

1014
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 7: making good decisions and not giving them gifts. Playing a smart,

1015
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 7: tough game.

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Speaker 5: Coach, we appreciate a couple of minutes. Best of luck

1017
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Speaker 5: this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Bob, a great trio of interviews. There. We thank

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00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: Brian Dable, Calvin Watkins and tight end Daniel Bellinger for

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Speaker 1: joining us on the Giants Total Podcast, presented by Citizens,

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Speaker 1: the official bank of the Giants. Enjoy your football weekend, everybody.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week on the Giants Total Podcast