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Speaker 1: Gods the stage you like crackers, bring we will see

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Speaker 1: you to the Gunner. Welcome to hang.

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Speaker 2: Out, rules rules.

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Speaker 3: Culvers is great, dude, I'm so sick if you are.

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Speaker 3: You got fink into it too. I heard you guys

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Speaker 3: called me artsy, and I am and I take that

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Speaker 3: as a compliment. But like, how can you that? I said,

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Speaker 3: it feels dangerous to slander, to de fame a fast

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Speaker 3: food burger without having a fast food burger. Like, oh,

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Speaker 3: culver sucks. I've never had it, I've never heard of it.

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Speaker 3: But it flows.

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Speaker 2: Why it's called a butter burger.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like scary. Not just it sounds gross. It sounds

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Speaker 2: not only bad, but detrimental to your health. On top

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Speaker 2: of it, a butter burger.

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Speaker 3: Is coming to see your friend Jack in the Midwest.

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Speaker 3: Like at or near the top or middle or even

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Speaker 3: bottom of your list.

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Speaker 2: It is at the top of my list. And we're

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Speaker 2: gonna go to Culver's and we're gonna do a review,

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna see, truthfully whether it's actually better than

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Speaker 2: in and out. I can understand you liking it if

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Speaker 2: you just like, for example, the way Arum brought up Burgerfi.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't like, this is much better than an out

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Speaker 2: taking a stance. He's like, it's down here in Florida.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of it. It's something you should try.

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Speaker 2: That's real, that's reasonable. You coming on here saying it's

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Speaker 2: better than in and out is blasphemous. It's blasphemous. It's terrible.

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Speaker 2: It's a bad take.

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Speaker 3: I just I respectfully disagree with you. It's fine, all right,

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna do that. And I think a really

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Speaker 3: unique and never before seen way to go about it

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Speaker 3: is like if we get out of the car and

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Speaker 3: you're standing outside and you pretend that you're only going

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Speaker 3: to take one bite and then review it, but take

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Speaker 3: more than that. But before that, you say one bite,

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Speaker 3: everybody knows the rules, right like, even though nobody knows

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Speaker 3: the rule right away, that'd be so funny, be so good.

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Speaker 2: We're not ripping anybody off, are we, No?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. Just Baseball Show for Thursday, February

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Speaker 3: twenty third. We're talking about rules in Major league baseball.

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Speaker 3: I also want to talk about one in minor league baseball.

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Speaker 3: And you said you've been getting a lot of questions.

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Speaker 3: You've been getting a lot of like replies on social media,

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Speaker 3: whether it be YouTube, whether it be you know, TikTok, Twitter, Instagram,

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Speaker 3: all that stuff, and I said, you know, Taylor Davis

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Speaker 3: and I talked about it on one of Just Baseball's

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Speaker 3: new podcast, Show and Go, because Taylor's so a bunch

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Speaker 3: of it. He caught with the automatic ball strike, which

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about at the minor league level

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Speaker 3: in Charlotte. He's also seen, you know, minor league baseball

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Speaker 3: had some shift regulations. We didn't have that in TRIPAA,

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Speaker 3: but we have the pitchclock, which is a game changer,

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Speaker 3: so it's fresh in my mind. I'm ready to talk

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Speaker 3: about it. We'll go one by one here. We can

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Speaker 3: start with bigger bases. Do you want bigger bases?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I just think it's cool in general that MLB

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Speaker 2: is changing the rules. And normally that sentence wouldn't come

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Speaker 2: out of my mouth because normally when MLB institutes new things,

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Speaker 2: they often don't go all that great or they're not

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Speaker 2: often well received initially. And I assume that some of

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Speaker 2: these rules initially won't be well received. But that's why

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Speaker 2: I really wanted to have this conversation go over the

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Speaker 2: new rules and talk about why some could end up

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Speaker 2: being complete game changers, like you said, but also I

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Speaker 2: want your opinion on some that you might not necessarily like,

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Speaker 2: because not everything is going to be perfect. But after

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Speaker 2: looking at the rules, listening to you and Taylor, and

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Speaker 2: also listening to guys like Jeff Pass and I was

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Speaker 2: even listening to w fa N with Michael Kay, and

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of positives, but there's some negatives and

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to go over them because they will affect

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Speaker 2: our game moving forward.

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Speaker 3: Get the outlet right. Michael Kay is not on the fan, baby,

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Speaker 3: He's not on f an.

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Speaker 2: Michael K Show. I watched it. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: I'm doing. I watch it on YouTube. So he used

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Speaker 3: New York resident doesn't know what channel, doesn't know what

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Speaker 3: a car, crazy man, who cares? Dude, pull it up.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, Yeah, you watch the video side.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what is that. Does does YES pick

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Speaker 3: it has to be yes.

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Speaker 2: I don't watch it.

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Speaker 3: On you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't watch it. I just watch it on YouTube. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's much better, you crazy man.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to miss on YouTube, hit us

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Speaker 2: even listen to the podcast stuff, even though it's very similar.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well it's the same exact thing. You hear the SuDS.

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Speaker 3: You just don't see our faces.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes there's secrets.

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Speaker 3: Uh, sometimes we do show and tell you're right now.

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Speaker 3: The thing with baseball, I think baseball people will say, oh,

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Speaker 3: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. It was broken,

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Speaker 3: like baseball was broken. There were some serious issues. Pace

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Speaker 3: of play was a serious issue. I think reluctance to

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Speaker 3: put the ball in play was a serious issue. But

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Speaker 3: the reason I want to start with the bigger bases.

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Speaker 3: Taylor said, wait, you're forgetting one at the tail end

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Speaker 3: of us talking about it, And I said which one?

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Speaker 3: And he said bigger bases? And I said do you care?

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Speaker 3: And he said, no, dude, I don't care. I think

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Speaker 3: it's it's I understand the idea of making it a

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Speaker 3: you know, injuries and stepping out each other's feet and

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Speaker 3: all that stuff, But like, who cares, It's not going

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Speaker 3: to change stolen bases.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was curious about, because I saw that

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Speaker 2: but is there a small part of their brain thinking

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Speaker 2: In my I not. I'm curious if you've seen anything

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Speaker 3: I think donald I think Josh Donaldson may go thirty

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Speaker 3: thirty with the bigger bases. Now fuck him, it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Did you see his thing like he was going viral? Ugh? No,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't short. It was high baseball pants with cruise socks,

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Speaker 3: so he just had half of his calf showing.

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Speaker 2: know there's people on social media trying to bring him down,

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Speaker 2: but it's working. Like it's working. I see the videos.

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Speaker 2: It's working. I yeah, it's I hate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's got it's got zero. I think different

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Speaker 3: really don't think so. Like maybe a guy has that,

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Speaker 3: on whatever. I don't think that it's going to impact

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Speaker 2: Uh, the injuries. So it's it's a good thing, right

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a negative.

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Speaker 3: It's not a negative. It's like, okay, who cares? Okay.

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Speaker 3: One of them that I'm really torn about I want

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Speaker 3: the new shift rule that will be in play in

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Speaker 3: Major League Baseball is two infielders need to be on

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Speaker 3: either side of second base and everybody, all four infielders

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Speaker 3: I think helps the anti shift crowd, you can still shade.

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Speaker 3: typical shortstop positioning. They are not ball and chained to

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Speaker 3: their straight up position. They can still shade. What this

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Speaker 3: I was anti banning the shift. I like that they're

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Speaker 2: these ground balls through. But the baseball person, like the

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Speaker 2: other teams, thinks, if it's an advantage, you should use it.

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Speaker 2: And then there's also scenarios where can you drop a

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Speaker 2: job is to hit home runs. Yeah, it's getting on

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Speaker 2: base works. Like, I'm sure if you're a home run

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it even results in a double. Be smart, so

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Speaker 2: I'm happy that we don't have to deal with complaining

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but there is more greenery for these guys to

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Speaker 3: drop a single into, which is excellent. I like that

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Speaker 3: I don't really care about horizontal positioning. My thing was

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Speaker 2: Like there were there were games where he was running

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Speaker 2: One thing I did like the shit about the shift.

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Speaker 2: And maybe this was in very specific circumstances and it

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Speaker 2: didn't happen that many times, but four outfielders was gotta crazy.

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Speaker 3: It was crazy, and I think that we're going to

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Speaker 3: see so Matt Spiegel, front of the program, tweeted out

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Speaker 3: got the less rangy guy almost come play a shallow

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Speaker 2: it out, but that they didn't. Like, these guys are

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Speaker 2: just creatures of habit. I'm not trying to compare. I'm

435
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Speaker 2: just giving you a point of something that someone else

436
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Speaker 2: said that I thought to myself, I could see that,

437
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Speaker 2: whether it's true or not, a picture blaming an injury

438
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Speaker 2: on him being accelerated from the pitchclock, messing up his routine.

439
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Speaker 3: I think they're very different conversations because the baseball conversation

440
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Speaker 3: and when glass Now was getting at actually has an impact.

441
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Speaker 3: Make a fist and feel your elbow where your ucl is.

442
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 3: Feel that tighten up. You can feel that in your forearm.

443
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 3: So when each ball feels different, you're trying to grip

444
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Speaker 3: it and glass. Now said, choke the shit out of it.

445
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: The harder fist you make, the more tight that is,

446
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 3: and you feel a direct line to your UCL. So

447
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 3: I understand that that could be an injury problem, right

448
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 3: throwing a dusty cube ball. I know that's what people

449
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 3: were calling it with this one. What routine takes more

450
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Speaker 3: than fifteen seconds for a pitcher? The only guy is

451
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Speaker 3: like Steven Strasburg and Kenniy Jansen. Is he going to

452
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Speaker 3: blow out an elbow because he can't do his sniper

453
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Speaker 3: type breathing where he's got to get his heart rate

454
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Speaker 3: right before throwing this pitch? Bullshit? I don't care, man.

455
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Speaker 3: I saw so many pitchers that benefited from this, and

456
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Speaker 3: tell you what I heard more negative reactions to the

457
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Speaker 3: pitch clock from the hitter the pitcher, because the pitcher

458
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Speaker 3: has the advantage when they are on, when they are

459
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 3: pounding the strike zone, when they're feeling it. All they

460
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 3: want to do is get the ball back and throw

461
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Speaker 3: it again. They want to be in attack mode. They

462
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Speaker 3: want hitters on their heels. And the beauty of this

463
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 3: pitch clock is that hitters have no time to reset.

464
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Speaker 3: It's awesome. Now, the problem on the pitching side is

465
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Speaker 3: if you're off, if you keep on missing up with

466
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Speaker 3: your fastball, if you keep on yanking a slider, you

467
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Speaker 3: want to take that moment to take a lap around

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Speaker 3: the mountain. Reset mentally reset, whether it was take your

469
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Speaker 3: hat off, deep breath, you know, stretch something, you know,

470
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Speaker 3: touch your brim, whatever it was, you need to think

471
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Speaker 3: of a really quick way to reset now. As opposed

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Speaker 3: to taking forty seconds between pitches for hitters, we already

473
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Speaker 3: knew that a problem was stepping out of the batter's box.

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Speaker 3: I think this just creates its go time from pitch one.

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Speaker 3: If it's a seven pitch at bat, it's going to

476
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Speaker 3: take a minute and a half two minutes, as opposed

477
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Speaker 3: to a seven pitch bat taking three minutes. Because after

478
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Speaker 3: each pitch, after each put away pitch that has fouled away,

479
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: that took thirty seconds because you're looking for that edge.

480
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Speaker 3: I think it's a tack mode from the jump. It's awesome.

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Speaker 3: And let me tell you this Don d Greca, I

482
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Speaker 3: bet is not sat through a game where he saw

483
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Speaker 3: the pitchclock. I work with Howard Kellman, who's going to

484
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Speaker 3: enter year forty seven of being the voice of Indianapolis

485
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Speaker 3: Indians legend. And this is a guy that grew up

486
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Speaker 3: watching Roger Merris, Like first baseball that he remembers was

487
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Speaker 3: Maris and Mantle, and you would think with something like that,

488
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Speaker 3: right with a pitch clock, it's oh, like, this isn't

489
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Speaker 3: pure baseball. He fucking loved it. Arum. We were driving

490
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: up to a ballpark in Biloxi when we did that

491
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Speaker 3: Deep South trip and I said, dude, you're gonna love

492
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Speaker 3: this pitch clock and he's like, I've never seen it.

493
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Speaker 3: I'm going in with it with an open mind. We

494
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Speaker 3: walk away from that game and he was like, dude,

495
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Speaker 3: I'm all in after one game. I bet you opening day,

496
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Speaker 3: anybody that's anti pitch clock is going to look at

497
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Speaker 3: the clock when the game's over and say, oh wow,

498
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: I have a whole day left. This is awesome.

499
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Speaker 2: See that is everything I've heard from people who have

500
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Speaker 2: seen it and watched it multiple times. The reaction is

501
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Speaker 2: this is the best thing ever. It's like if you

502
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Speaker 2: wanted to watch more home runs in the home run

503
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: derby and they said we're putting in metal bats, and

504
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Speaker 2: then you came away from it thinking this is the

505
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Speaker 2: best thing that's ever happened. That seems to be the reaction.

506
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Speaker 2: So I did have a couple of questions after listening

507
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Speaker 2: to your guys' show. Listening to them, because you made

508
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 2: a lot of really good points, but my one worry

509
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Speaker 2: with it. You said it yourself, are the pictures going

510
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 2: to have so much of an advantage it actually lessons

511
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Speaker 2: hitting because you said that the pitchers are getting into

512
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Speaker 2: a rhythm and we could see a lot of shutouts

513
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: or stuff like that when a guy just has it

514
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: and a guy who normally has his routine of fixing

515
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: his batting gloves gets thrown out of whack and then

516
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: he's unable to adjust. Now they should be able to adjust.

517
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Speaker 2: That's why this is not a perfect rule opening day,

518
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Speaker 2: even though it seems like this might be the rule

519
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 2: where it is perfect at least from the jump, But

520
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: I can see that happening where we see some low

521
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: score games early. That's why I was questioning, is this

522
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Speaker 2: something that is just an advantage for the pitchers, or

523
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Speaker 2: to your point where you said, well, some got times

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Speaker 2: of guys off, so we could actually lead to a

525
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Speaker 2: horrible outing. Yeah, but what happens more often because you've

526
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Speaker 2: seen it more than once.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what I would say is baseball with

528
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Speaker 3: the pitch clock will be more of a game of runs.

529
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Speaker 3: It will be more of a game of streaks. So

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Speaker 3: if you see a quick first out, you could be

531
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Speaker 3: looking at a two minute half inning, which is a

532
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Speaker 3: pitcher's stream. If there are back to back singles and

533
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: the pitcher is on their heels and they know they

534
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: have to execute a pitch, all of a sudden, it

535
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: could turn into a three run, four run inning because

536
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: things just snowball quickly. Things are going to snowball, whether

537
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 3: it's positive for the pitcher or positive for the hitter.

538
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: And that's what we love about basketball, right. We love

539
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 3: the ten oh run followed by a ten to two

540
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: run by the other team. Right, it's not always back

541
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: and forth and back and forth. I think that this

542
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: will create more runs. This will create and not like

543
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 3: literal runs scored in a baseball game. This will create

544
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 3: more runs, This will create more streaks of good things

545
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: happening for offenses or good things happening for pitchers. And

546
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Speaker 3: that's what I.

547
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Speaker 2: Saw that'll be interesting in the live betting sphere catching

548
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Speaker 2: momentum early, Like what were some key moments of momentum

549
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: that you saw during your time watching the pitch clock.

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Speaker 3: So I would say, if you see, you know, like

551
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Speaker 3: back to back hits to open a game first five

552
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: innings over, that feels like a very good bet to

553
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: place because all of a sudden you're on your heels

554
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: in the first inning. What is that word for a

555
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: guy's mindset?

556
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe not even an over, but maybe a live

557
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: money line. Like let's say a team is an underdog

558
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: and they're going against a better pitcher on the mound,

559
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: and it seems that that team should win because it's

560
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Speaker 2: an ace versus a three starter or something which happens

561
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Speaker 2: all the time, but that ace doesn't have it, the

562
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: command isn't there early and then they start to snowball.

563
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: That could be some time to find some good value

564
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Speaker 2: on that underdog or vice versa.

565
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Speaker 3: So you know that feeling that you really only get

566
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Speaker 3: if you watch a ton of a sport or have

567
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 3: played that sport before, where you can watch a guy throw,

568
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: watch a guy hit and it's like, wow, he feels

569
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Speaker 3: it today, and especially with starting pitchers, right, he's feeling

570
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Speaker 3: it today. Oh, I think you're gonna get that feeling

571
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Speaker 3: of wow, he's feeling it today. A lot quicker like

572
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Speaker 3: first or second inning.

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Speaker 2: That's what I look at almost every single game when

574
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Speaker 2: I'm starting, and if I open it up to live bets,

575
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Speaker 2: something that is very easy. This is not all of it,

576
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: but just an easy pointer to just kind of get

577
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: you rolling. If you're interested in this sort of thing,

578
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: look at where the catcher is set up and look

579
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Speaker 2: at if the pitcher is hitting his spots there, Because

580
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Speaker 2: there are times where a guy is really nasty and

581
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Speaker 2: he calls for a fastball, you know, on the lower

582
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Speaker 2: outside corner right, But then he throws a fastball up

583
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Speaker 2: and it's middle and he gets a strikeout. He didn't

584
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Speaker 2: hit his spots. He might be a little bit off.

585
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Speaker 2: He might have gotten a little bit lucky there by

586
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Speaker 2: not hitting his spot. But let's say he gets a

587
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: base hit, but the catcher called for that fastball low

588
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: and away and the hitter just got a good piece

589
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Speaker 2: of it. That doesn't mean the pitcher is off there.

590
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: So those are just easy things to watch. Look for

591
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: where the catcher's glove is set up. If a pitcher

592
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: is hitting his spots early, that's normally a good sign.

593
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: If he's not, that's where no matter what actually happens

594
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Speaker 2: to that event, just keep that on in the back

595
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Speaker 2: of your mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my last thing on the clock. We're not speed

597
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Speaker 3: running baseball, like, pitchers are not going to turn into

598
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Speaker 3: Wade my Li and Mark Burley. And that's the only

599
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: way that you can throw through the course of a

600
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Speaker 3: game forty to fifty I bet actually, now that I

601
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: think of it, maybe north of fifty percent of guys

602
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: in Major League Baseball already fit into the time constraints

603
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: that will be set. All this does is get the

604
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Speaker 3: slow motherfuckers to speed it up, which is exactly what

605
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: we need.

606
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Speaker 2: It's exactly what we need. I had one more question too,

607
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: about the pitch clock. So we've seen it in college

608
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: so far. I don't watch a lot of minor league games.

609
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: That's what automatic fall, the automatic strikes, the automatic balls,

610
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: automatic strikes. We've seen it in college. There's been some

611
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: hoopla about it, but it's not been to the point

612
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: where it's so egregious or anything. And I kind of

613
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: like it so far. It adds an element of, oh

614
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: my god, we just got screwed. Get in the box.

615
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: It adds that level of anxiety and nervousness of we

616
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Speaker 2: got to get in the box. We see the pitchclock

617
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: going down, So I actually like it. But I could

618
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: totally see hitters and pitchers being super super annoyed at it.

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Speaker 2: Is that a part of the rule And how do

620
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: you think that will affect major League Baseball?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the players obviously hated, Like the players hate

622
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: the violation. They like the clock, but when the clock

623
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: doesn't work for them, they hate it. They're like, what

624
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: is this? I guarantee you Madison Bumgarner is going to

625
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: issue an automatic walk and he's gonna throw a temper tantrum.

626
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Speaker 3: And by temper tantrum, he's just gonna look like he

627
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: hates life, which he always looks like. And yeah, I

628
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: mean it's gonna be Madison Bumgarner. We know that it's

629
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: going to be Madison Bumgarner that issues an automatic walk

630
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Speaker 3: and raises hell about it, and we're gonna get every

631
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: article from every outlet ever of Bumgarner saying this is stupid.

632
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: I'm done. But yeah, man, I mean it's really frustrating

633
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: for the player. What I will say is it's also

634
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: confusing for the fans. Sometimes as somebody calling the game.

635
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: There were points where both Howard and I were confused

636
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: as to what was going on. Right when a guy

637
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: starts walking away, it's, oh, that was an automatic strike

638
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: three call. So I think that there is like a

639
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: teensy bit of confusion. I think that year two, for me,

640
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: it's probably gonna be a bit easier to detect, but

641
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: it might be a full year where you're just like, wait,

642
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: what just happened If a guy's taking his base and

643
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: just know that it's probably an automatic ball call. The

644
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: other thing that I think players understand but you don't

645
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: want to test it too much is on an umpire

646
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 3: by umpire basis, their level of stringency changes. So I

647
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: saw guys that were very strict with it, like if

648
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: a guy wasn't looking like he was ready to hit

649
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Speaker 3: at nine seconds, they would call the automatic strike. But

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Speaker 3: there were other umpires where eight seven and now a

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00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: guy's ready and they wouldn't do anything. So I think

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Speaker 3: it'll vary on an umpire by umpire basis that can

653
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Speaker 3: get dicey, dicey, because when Angel Hernandez is a dick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ugh, I don't want to put more power into

655
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Speaker 2: the hands of some of these people. Some of them

656
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: are amazing, Yeah, some of that Hoberg King, Pat Hoberg King.

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Speaker 2: Some of them make me want to drive a spear

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Speaker 2: through my television. Angel Hernandez spear TV. I was hoping

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Speaker 2: not today, but you did. Now we're here. Yeah, Angel

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Speaker 2: Hernandez is an easy scapegoat. But there are more of them,

661
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Speaker 2: and there are more of Pat Holberg's out there who

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00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 2: do a really, really good job. One more question I had,

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Speaker 2: and maybe this isn't even pertaining to the pitchclock. This

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Speaker 2: might be a new one that we're transitioning to. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to challenging challenge. Yeah, it looks great challenging

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Speaker 2: balls and strikes, right, because we saw that in the

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Speaker 2: minor leagues with Jason Minguez, that viral video where he

668
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: was in the Fall League. Yeah, yeah, it was in

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Speaker 2: the Fall League, and you know, he challenged a strike call.

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Speaker 2: I think it was strike three, and I think he

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Speaker 2: won it. Not sure Iphy won, but it was a.

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Speaker 3: Relevant to pitch He was called out on strikes he

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Speaker 3: challenged it, he won, and he walked.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Is that something we'll see in major league baseball? Not

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Speaker 3: this year, but that's something that we're going to see

677
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: in minor league baseball. And when you come out to Indianapolis,

678
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: you were going to see the ABS system. So that

679
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: is the big ad, and that's the final rule that

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Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about and the only minor league

681
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: rule that I wanted to talk about. So every Triple

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Speaker 3: A ballpark is going to have some sort of automatic

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Speaker 3: strike zone. Fifteen minor league ballparks or Triple A ballparks

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Speaker 3: are going to have the full automated strike zone, so

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Speaker 3: there will be an electronic ball strike call relay to

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Speaker 3: the homeplate umpire and that's the call. The other fifteen

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Speaker 3: will have the ABS Challenge system, which is what Indianapolis

688
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 3: is going to have. I'm really glad that we see

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Speaker 3: the challenge system instead of the electronics strike zone because

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Speaker 3: the challenge Like, I'm more excited to see the challenge system,

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Speaker 3: and I actually think that that is the one that

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00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: makes its way to Major League Baseball. Instead of fully automated,

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Speaker 3: the challenge system is in the background. You've got the

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Speaker 3: fully automated strike zone running, but it is still up

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Speaker 3: to human air of the home played umpire to make

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00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: the ball strike call. Think of tennis, if you watch

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00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: a Grand Slam that isn't the French. I think the

698
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 3: French is the only one that doesn't use it. But

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Speaker 3: the US Open, Wimbledon, and the Australian Open. If you

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Speaker 3: watch one of the players can challenge and you see

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Speaker 3: the replay of the ball landing near the line and

702
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Speaker 3: it shows in or out, that's pretty much what happens.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's like three challenges a game. I

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Speaker 3: don't know the exact number of challenges right now. I

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Speaker 3: will have that answer before March thirty one, because I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Have to know.

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Speaker 3: But say a hitter in the second inning is even

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00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 3: the count to two, slider lower outside corner, hitter thinks

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00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 3: it's ball three, umpire rings him up. You can pull

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00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 3: the Jason de Miguez hit the top of your head.

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00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: Then on the jumbo tron in center field or wherever

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Speaker 3: it is, they will show what looks very similar to

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Speaker 3: that replay in tennis where you see and you see

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Speaker 3: it a lot on you know, baseball TV broadcast where

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Speaker 3: they'll show like the automated strike zone and the flight

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Speaker 3: of the ball if it clicks, if it clips the

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00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 3: strike zone or anything like that, that is exactly what

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Speaker 3: you will see. That's what the player and umpire will see.

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Speaker 3: And if the ball does clip the outside corner of

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Speaker 3: the strike zone, then the call stands. If it does not,

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Speaker 3: then the call is overturned. It's three and two.

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Speaker 2: HM. I like it. I am a fan of it.

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Speaker 2: One last question, what levels of the minor leagues? Is

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Speaker 2: it's going to be available on just Triple AAA two

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Speaker 2: all levels.

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Speaker 3: That's a good question. It was so fully automated, was

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Speaker 3: around in low A last year. I want to say

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Speaker 3: there were a couple places with fully automated strike zones,

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Speaker 3: like Charlotte had a fully automated strike zone. I think

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Speaker 3: the PCL had a fully automated strike zone last year,

731
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Speaker 3: the Pacific Coast League at least they did have Hawkeye,

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00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 3: which is like stat cast data. Also, every Triple A

733
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: ballpark now equipped with stat Cast, so there is a

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Speaker 3: loophole on Baseball savant to go see exit velocities and

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Speaker 3: all that for Triple A games, which is gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, the big ruling for Major League Baseball was

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Speaker 3: every Triple A ballpark will either have the automated strike

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Speaker 3: zone or the ABS Challenge system. So if you do

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00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: want to see it a play, tune into a Triple

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Speaker 3: A game.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope everybody enjoyed the rule changes. We tried

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Speaker 2: to break it down the best way we can. We

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Speaker 2: have the best person I think of when I think

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00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: of rule changes in Major League baseball, and that is

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Speaker 2: our guy, Jack McMullen. He's seen it firsthand in the

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Speaker 2: minor leagues. He has a podcast, Show and Go, which

747
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: you should go and check out with Taylor Davis, who

748
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: is a career Big leaguer. He's a career minor leaguer.

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Speaker 2: He's been up and down. He's been everywhere in Major

750
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: League Baseball and in minor league baseball, and now has

751
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: been the physical catcher in these type of that bats.

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00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: Make sure if you want to know anything more, if

753
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: you want to see his insight, definitely go check out

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00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: that episode and continue to check out those episodes. It's

755
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: awesome insight. They have player interviews all the time. This

756
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: will definitely affect the minor leagues. Definitely, all that stuff

757
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: that Jack is talking about with eggs of velocities, all

758
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: the stack cast out of We know that Jack and

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00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: arm are going to be going over those on the

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Speaker 2: call ups. To make sure to go check out the

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Speaker 2: Minor League podcast. Not gambling advice is humming soon. And

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Speaker 2: the reason I say soon is I've spent the last

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Speaker 2: couple of nights, late into the night going over home

764
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Speaker 2: run and strikeout projections on prize picks.

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Speaker 3: The spreadsheets. Let me interrupt you here the spreadsheet Peter

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Speaker 3: just shared to me looks freaking absurd.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of stuff, a lot of different projections,

768
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Speaker 2: and I've found a lot of value on home runs

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Speaker 2: and strikeouts. Don't talk to me about urbis. They're impossible

770
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Speaker 2: to project so much variance, so much mumbo jumbo. It's

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Speaker 2: all about your teammates. And it's not something I'm ever

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Speaker 2: gonna put my money on, and also not something i'd

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Speaker 2: ever tell you to put your money on, even though

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Speaker 2: it's not gambling advice. But we know also multi home

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Speaker 2: run games on prize picks now, home runs, strikeouts, those

776
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Speaker 2: are something that we could project. Those are something that

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Speaker 2: we can tangibly look at and make money off of.

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Speaker 2: If you want to be a part of that, make

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Speaker 2: sure to download prize picks use coach Just Baseball. It

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Speaker 2: is in the episode description full one deposit match. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna be playing so many season long props because I

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Speaker 2: see so much value and I'm just buzzing right now.

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Speaker 2: College baseball. We got it making bets. We know the drill.

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Speaker 2: Get your Just Baseball merchants and the episode description. Best

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Speaker 2: spend a dime, no worries, if you could rate us

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Speaker 2: five stars on Apple or Spotify, as well as leave

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Speaker 2: your problems or your favorites with the rule changes all

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Speaker 2: watching on YouTube. Way too close for Jack Space, but

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Speaker 2: with that, thank you everybody,