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Speaker 1: Basketball World Team, the Nazi Antetupo is in the building.
Speaker 3: NBA champion yo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but all I like when they say down in h.
Speaker 3: A expense of my Phoenix sons.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I feel bad. Don't feel bad,
Speaker 2: But don't feel bad. You guys deserve to win. Your
Speaker 2: brother put on a four.
Speaker 3: Game stretch that was just like what are we supposed
Speaker 3: to do? Like once he put up fifty, it's like,
Speaker 3: what are we supposed to do?
Speaker 2: Like you know what you had COVID? Right? Yeah? No
Speaker 2: I didn't. That was a crazy part.
Speaker 3: But you were just like quarantined.
Speaker 2: You remember it? Was the time that you would go
Speaker 2: with fall false positive and they were just like, oh.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was like no matter what, even if it
Speaker 3: seemed like yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Was a lot of people came up, Oh yeah, you
Speaker 2: didn't even have COVID No, because what happened was that
Speaker 2: everybody was false positive. Don't want to risk anything and
Speaker 2: uh but this was this was halfway into the finals.
Speaker 2: This happened like five and you know what this happened
Speaker 2: right because if you guys, you guess Phoenix was open, Yeah,
Speaker 2: never closed. It was closed, and nobody Phoenix was active.
Speaker 1: Scottsdale was cracking, the club was cracking, everybody was out.
Speaker 2: No, it was just just people in and out the
Speaker 2: hotel to like resorts and stuff like that. So we
Speaker 2: did have that coverage. But like if I even say anything,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for having in the Podcorse. Uh
Speaker 2: just started doing my own podcast and now just being.
Speaker 1: Here how you analysis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you know, I started doing that, so
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm trying to grow that as well.
Speaker 2: I love like, I love you, learning from people, learning
Speaker 2: from the culture and just being here, Like I don't
Speaker 2: want to I want to ask some stuff to it,
Speaker 2: but for sure yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 1: I've seen you know, you have some big guests on
Speaker 1: your ship too, Yes, steven a pop out.
Speaker 2: Yeah I did. I did those. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: Interview, dragic shout to Tragic almost Phoenix Suns great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great player, great individual, great vet like yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: and and obviously trying to think he came to the
Speaker 2: first season that I was. I was just doing it
Speaker 2: just for the course, like how it wasn't even close
Speaker 2: to like just making the podcast. It was just like
Speaker 2: I was just having people and interviews at the time
Speaker 2: the first season. Second season, I started going bigger and bigger,
Speaker 2: but like you know, back to the to the finals
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, we didn't have no whatsoever communication
Speaker 2: with the outside world. Bro, we do. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you remember the first time we had fans when
Speaker 2: we played Game four in Miami. That's when they like
Speaker 2: fans were like, okay, we're gonna have fans.
Speaker 1: Because I remember people weren't sure, Like if I remember
Speaker 1: as a Suns fan, I think it was the first series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first Game three for.
Speaker 1: Us, Yeah, and we were like, oh, ship, we can
Speaker 1: go to the game.
Speaker 3: This is different.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy because that whole pandemic ariages is all
Speaker 1: blurred together. But that was the first, like the playoffs
Speaker 1: were the first time fans were back.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes it was. It was crazy for us. We
Speaker 2: kind of felt cheated as well, like it was like, dang,
Speaker 2: we play two games no fans and we go to
Speaker 2: Miami and Miami's packed. Florida was open to yeah, but
Speaker 2: look at one. But still yeah, we won. But like
Speaker 2: it was, and then we came back we saw, you know,
Speaker 2: and then we go back and if you think about it,
Speaker 2: we played game three, Game four. It was a sweet
Speaker 2: for zero sweet and then we go to New York
Speaker 2: the books playing two more games away. That was a
Speaker 2: crazy series, crazy bro crazy, I told, I told god,
Speaker 2: I'm talking to tell the stories.
Speaker 1: Is that the series where Katie's toe was on the line.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, see it all.
Speaker 2: Blurs together, Yeah, it is. And they played before that,
Speaker 2: like Brooke Loves was supposed to shoot the ball and
Speaker 2: they shoot it and they and they got the ball.
Speaker 2: But like, but people don't talk about, like it wasn't
Speaker 2: the game that Katie went crazy. Was Game five? Yes,
Speaker 2: it was Game five, because Game five we went to
Speaker 2: and we went two at home at Game five we'll
Speaker 2: go back to Brooklyn and we're out by eighteen points.
Speaker 2: So we're like, okay, such a chance. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: might gave five. We get five and away we lose
Speaker 2: the six. You know, Like that was the feeling. And
Speaker 2: then that's when Katie became like I don't even know, no, no,
Speaker 2: k He's always been giving it up, but like yes
Speaker 2: and had this like forty eight yea, like seventeen and
Speaker 2: like twelve like something, and he was you know, by himself,
Speaker 2: and it was so unfortunately We're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: who got to win game six? Win Game six? And
Speaker 2: then all follow the marbles was they say, like game
Speaker 2: seven in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: But like that damn toe.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But people so the whole throughout the whole cities
Speaker 2: that like playoff run. It was this thing with you know,
Speaker 2: Jonathan's frietos, like the count trust me.
Speaker 3: I was in the crowd counting what two.
Speaker 2: I was counting. I was counting loud, you know, and
Speaker 2: it was this thing. So I'm like, okay, it's game seven.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I've never been in a bigger game as
Speaker 2: a as an individual, as a family, like this is
Speaker 2: like we're playing against James Harden Kyti crazy and KD.
Speaker 2: Now like this is game seven. We know we didn't
Speaker 2: actually to get off at that.
Speaker 1: Game, right if you, if you really whoever would have
Speaker 1: won that series probably would have beat the Suns either way.
Speaker 2: Probably I don't know. I don't know for sure, but
Speaker 2: we could they say that. But the thing was like,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. The Hawks were beating us. Good
Speaker 2: to you, I thank you. They had a good like run.
Speaker 2: And we're about to go to the game and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know what this is like two days before now, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna play in New York. Mind you in New York Greece.
Speaker 2: It's like I'm playing back and like we're in Greece, right,
Speaker 2: So I put this. I got this friend of mine
Speaker 2: side out to James stoodies with the with the community.
Speaker 2: So he goes like, oh, we want to come to
Speaker 2: the game, but like we can't find tickets. And I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, this is what we're gonna do. You're
Speaker 2: gonna go and shoot geek? Was he see geek? And
Speaker 2: the second half that we shoot from here, when you're
Speaker 2: in suit sweets, you're gonna buy the whole the whole
Speaker 2: like section. So I bought like one, two, three, four,
Speaker 2: five about the whole section, just me, and you're gonna
Speaker 2: give them the tickets like sixty fifty off. And then
Speaker 2: we did like a thing. I think I remember, like, uh,
Speaker 2: we did like a lot, not that we do like
Speaker 2: a memo to everybody. And then I said, the only
Speaker 2: request I have. I don't want no money, I don't
Speaker 2: want nothing, is that I want everybody to be there
Speaker 2: six thirty. The game was like eight. I want everybody
Speaker 2: six thirty. Once they opened the gate.
Speaker 1: I want everybody to Bucks fans only, no no, no
Speaker 1: Bucks fans and Greeks, Bucks fans and Greeks only. Ain't
Speaker 1: no countdown happening, not behind the basket.
Speaker 2: And I remember you can check the videos too, like
Speaker 2: I can get him out six thirty. And I remember
Speaker 2: it was James. Everybody they looked up. They were like,
Speaker 2: what's going on? And the whole security they wanted they
Speaker 2: wanted to kick him out. They were going crazy with
Speaker 2: the Greek flags and everything. And I told him, I
Speaker 2: was like, you know how then I kind of got
Speaker 2: the invoys after and I told him I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't care. I said to my financial I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't care book a receipt. He's like, okay, but
Speaker 2: what if they don't show up. I was like, it's empty.
Speaker 2: The worst case would be empty empty, nobody gonna be there.
Speaker 2: They ended up showing everybody. I ended up getting some
Speaker 2: money back as well, because I gave everybody on fifteen
Speaker 2: percent off that game seven wined. I'm winning and for
Speaker 2: the first time that Yiannis never you know, he never
Speaker 2: he never shows emotion. Like he was like, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was going to the crowd. It was like yes, And
Speaker 2: I was like, that's going to be a thirty for
Speaker 2: thirty story for sure.
Speaker 1: Wait, so so you said to yourself, Okay, I know
Speaker 1: this countdown things happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's New York.
Speaker 3: It's going to be crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: New York fans are ruckus as hell. They're they're also
Speaker 1: very very ruthless. You're like, hey, let's buy out all
Speaker 1: the seats and put our people there.
Speaker 3: And was it the second half or the first half?
Speaker 2: So it was the second half.
Speaker 1: So you were like, because because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, what's going to matter is the second half.
Speaker 1: So when shit actually matters, he's looking at his people
Speaker 1: behind him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the thing is he didn't know, nobody knew.
Speaker 2: So everybody, yes, nobody knew to the after the game
Speaker 2: and everybody was like, man, it was he was like
Speaker 2: four thousand, it was three thousand greeks, I what was
Speaker 2: going like? And and then I told him it was like, look,
Speaker 2: this is what happened and like, but but the plot
Speaker 2: that was the intriguing is that was that the only
Speaker 2: thing I thought about was that game. I thought like, man,
Speaker 2: if we win this game, he's gonna We're going to
Speaker 2: be the commanded. He like, if we win this game,
Speaker 2: we'll go to that study like we're playing against Katie.
Speaker 3: Kydi super team of all super teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, however you want to say, yeah, however you want
Speaker 2: to call it a great, great, great team that I
Speaker 2: don't know if you're ever going to say a team
Speaker 2: like that, right. So in my head, I'm like, dang,
Speaker 2: we win this game, win this game, and we won,
Speaker 2: and then everything else became day by day, I swear
Speaker 2: to God, everything else like when we want it was like, oh, ship,
Speaker 2: we just won, and now we're waitning for Philly, right
Speaker 2: mind you? And then Atlanta wins Andanta wins, We're like, oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: guess what happened Game one won Ito Atlanta. They throwing
Speaker 2: the ball off there and then Janni's got hurt, right
Speaker 2: and it gets hurt and we're like ah. But then,
Speaker 2: you know, I.
Speaker 3: Remember thinking when he got hurt, I was like, well, shit,
Speaker 3: we're winning a chip.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 3: And then he came back like came like the Undertaker
Speaker 3: and wrestling.
Speaker 1: He was just like.
Speaker 2: I own your soul. DeAndre Ayden, Oh my god, and
Speaker 2: mind you like he he's you know, like like obviously
Speaker 2: I'm my brother and stuff like that. But take away
Speaker 2: like him being my teammate or brother. Yeah, like the
Speaker 2: war gifting and what he did those those like week
Speaker 2: two weeks.
Speaker 3: And there was the game where he made all the
Speaker 3: free throws he had over fifty.
Speaker 2: What was that? Which game was that?
Speaker 3: Was that Game five or six?
Speaker 2: That was Game six in Milwaukee. Yeah, they made it
Speaker 2: me free throw. So when I was game planning, you
Speaker 2: know that right, that was you guys. Game plan just
Speaker 2: found him and send him to the list and he
Speaker 2: makes them all. Yes, shots of Monty Man, great, great coach.
Speaker 3: He's killing it in.
Speaker 2: Detroit as a as an NBA community, I gotta come
Speaker 2: in defend. No.
Speaker 1: I love Monty Monty is a great guy and like, honestly,
Speaker 1: he changed the culture of our team forever.
Speaker 3: He took us to the finals. I'm forever grateful for
Speaker 3: the Monty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, what was your brother's reaction when he found out
Speaker 3: that you bought out those tickets?
Speaker 2: His reaction was crazy. He was like, what because you
Speaker 2: know we got like you know, we got this investment
Speaker 2: group group so everything, you know, some of the stuff,
Speaker 2: like we always messed together, blah blah blah. And he
Speaker 2: says there it was like, what is this for? I said,
Speaker 2: you know, about the season. It's like, but you're crazy.
Speaker 2: What are you doing. I'm like, I don't care. It's
Speaker 2: not about the money. It's about like, it's different. This
Speaker 2: is different, bro, Like, it's not about if I told
Speaker 2: guys like hey, for you to feel to win it,
Speaker 2: to go through it, run this legitated on and win
Speaker 2: a championship, and you had like you would you know,
Speaker 2: you had money, you'd be like, no, I don't care
Speaker 2: about the money. I'll give you whatever you want.
Speaker 1: How much did you spend if you don't mind sharing,
Speaker 1: obviously over six figures book the whole section you got
Speaker 1: so maybe like a coast to a million. No, it
Speaker 1: wasn't cost a million, but one hundred thousand it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was all a little bit less, but it was
Speaker 1: closed there.
Speaker 2: But I got half almost you got almost half back,
Speaker 2: which is fine, which is worth because the the feeling
Speaker 2: for me even if I didn't, if I didn't, the
Speaker 2: fact that we won and you ended up getting the ring. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and my bones might you might not. You know, the
Speaker 2: bonus for the for the ring now is it's nice.
Speaker 2: It's nice, so covered it covered it was. It was
Speaker 2: basically giving a little bit of my bonus back.
Speaker 1: So you uh, what happens when the higher ups for
Speaker 1: the bucks find out because I don't think a player's.
Speaker 2: Ever done that.
Speaker 1: Yes, because there's some players worth substantial amount of money
Speaker 1: that in theory could just buy out sections of arenas
Speaker 1: during high stakes games.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, yeah, I'll tell you what. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what happened. First of all, you know, shout
Speaker 2: out to fifty cents like like he he said he
Speaker 2: did that in one time when something like that, like
Speaker 2: you could do it if you want, but they're not
Speaker 2: going to do it because people don't care about it.
Speaker 2: I love this, I care about it. Like we come
Speaker 2: from a family of champions. Bro. People can say whatever
Speaker 2: they want to say, but like it's not by luck
Speaker 2: that all of us have a championship and be a champion.
Speaker 2: It's not by luck that my brother brother he just
Speaker 2: won euro League champions He's won in every level then.
Speaker 3: Just he hasn't because he got he was the first
Speaker 3: one to get a ring.
Speaker 2: Right, first one to get it. In the Lakers, they
Speaker 2: went overseas to France, one of one of the championship
Speaker 2: with them, came back again, went to euro League one
Speaker 2: another year league title and now they they was just
Speaker 2: down to now I heard the EuroLeague.
Speaker 1: Just the environment is crazy, crazy because you know those
Speaker 1: are soccer fans, and those soccer fans are psychos, so
Speaker 1: it's like they just become basketball fans too, and then
Speaker 1: like you know, you see some of those soccer games
Speaker 1: and you're like I don't even want to go.
Speaker 3: You know that it looks dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know how they become like this so like
Speaker 2: dedicated to the team, Like they go to the games
Speaker 2: at our early age and the kids like getting gat
Speaker 2: into this like atmosphere, atmosphere. But you know, so funny though,
Speaker 2: I think Lucas said one of the games. She said, like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, the like about Rod gaining rowdy against
Speaker 2: the Celtics, and he said, I played one game against
Speaker 2: the A team in euro League against mant Nikos Guesse
Speaker 2: who we played against you. He wants to take how
Speaker 2: it was he was. He was the turn, he was
Speaker 2: eighteen and a half. I think it was a time
Speaker 2: was coming to the NBA and that's the one we
Speaker 2: lost quarter finals that we lost to them and they
Speaker 2: went to the finals. Damn.
Speaker 1: But but did you did you have like an idea
Speaker 1: because everybody would always talk about it. And I remember
Speaker 1: we had his coach as the son's coach the year
Speaker 1: that he came out. We had coach igoor right, So
Speaker 1: I for sure thought we were drafting Luca. I mean,
Speaker 1: any smart owner would have did that. And then night
Speaker 1: before that, listen, I swear to got my best friend
Speaker 1: can attest to this. The night before the draft, I
Speaker 1: call him up and I said, last night I had
Speaker 1: a nightmare. He's like, what was your nightmare? I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I fucking I think we're gonna take eight and Doug
Speaker 1: and he was like, nah, bro, He's like no, because
Speaker 1: you gotta understand. I was all in on Luca.
Speaker 2: I was watching I was watching all.
Speaker 3: His fucking YouTube highlights.
Speaker 1: We have his coach, we have his coach. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we're getting Luca. Like I'm watching all his highlights,
Speaker 1: his interviews and ship. I'm like, hell, yes, you're o gay.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Anyway, But did you like playing against him? Like, because
Speaker 1: you know it doesn't always translate, right, the euro style.
Speaker 1: I mean it's translating a lot. Actually now it's kind
Speaker 1: of you guys are running it right now.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we think about it.
Speaker 1: Your brother, yok I mean just talking about non Americans right, Uh,
Speaker 1: non American players are running the league.
Speaker 3: It's just it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I think the closest I mean, you know, obviously there's Book,
Speaker 1: there's Aunt, there's guys.
Speaker 2: Like that, but it's really it's embiid, it's your brother,
Speaker 2: it's I know. But you still have the you know,
Speaker 2: the Lebron's and the Steph Caties and the no no
Speaker 2: for sure, these guys about the new Oh okay, I'm
Speaker 2: talking about like you know, the guys are gonna be
Speaker 2: around for another ten years. Yeah, but knocking wood for everybody,
Speaker 2: all these guys. Uh, the thing is about your opinion
Speaker 2: basketball about Luca you asked me before. The thing with
Speaker 2: Luca is that you can understand from a young age
Speaker 2: that he was fearless. Like the way he played basketball.
Speaker 2: He wasn't a fan of nobody, right. Uh, that's one second.
Speaker 2: So talented from anywhere, just like just make reads and
Speaker 2: the recording. He's just strong.
Speaker 4: He became strong now because he just looks like a
Speaker 4: like a dad want somebody down. But I'm saying he
Speaker 4: looks he got like a dad, bob, but he'd just
Speaker 4: be walking motherfuckers down.
Speaker 2: And I'm just like he loves that mid day post.
Speaker 2: And you know who obviously you know the closest thing
Speaker 2: to him, and this is the the due compares to
Speaker 2: everybody gives it to James Harden because like, obviously he doesn't.
Speaker 2: I don't think he shoots in the same clip Jim's
Speaker 2: Harden used to shoot when he was with Houston or
Speaker 2: the teams. But like that was the closest because.
Speaker 1: Very similar, very similar games, very similar games, and like
Speaker 1: great distributors are great passes, great vision.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I want to get back to this.
Speaker 1: So obviously you guys go on and play the Hawks,
Speaker 1: you win despite your brother getting hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, out the Bobby Porters and brook lope Is going
Speaker 2: off and and Chris Millerton going I.
Speaker 1: Think it was game like no, I remember that game, No,
Speaker 1: you're honest, and they went in and yo, Bobby Portis
Speaker 1: with those crazy Bobby Portters eyes was going, Bro.
Speaker 2: Why do people keep talking about his eyes? Got crazy eyes?
Speaker 1: You know, Bobby Portters is the kind of guy that
Speaker 1: if we got into a fight and you saw he
Speaker 1: was on the other side and the other crew, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, nah, man, we got a chill.
Speaker 2: Like look at that dude's eyes. He's crazy. But you're
Speaker 2: definitely gonna say that. But I don't think it's because
Speaker 2: of ours. He's just he just he killed. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was a beast when he was at the Bulls.
Speaker 2: Bobby port has been a dog. But he's a dog though.
Speaker 2: He's a great guy, great guy dog. I've never seen
Speaker 2: somebody like walk so much and like like out uh
Speaker 2: out play what they talk about you Like, people used to,
Speaker 2: you know, people counting him out like he went sure
Speaker 2: your people. People used to say, like he's a back kid.
Speaker 2: This that like this guy is a great guy. At
Speaker 2: the great professional came back. He's being a pillar for Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: He's a pillar for sure for Milwaukee and all these things.
Speaker 2: But now you see like what the natative is that
Speaker 2: is before, not now, but like it used to be. Okay,
Speaker 2: he got in a fight, and even that fight, I
Speaker 2: don't want to talk and I'm not here to talk
Speaker 2: about somebody else fight. He wasn't his fault, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so you guys end up playing the Suns.
Speaker 1: First of all, when you saw you were going against
Speaker 1: the Suns, was what were what were your guys' thoughts
Speaker 1: about just the matchup in general? Did you like it
Speaker 1: or were you like this is going to be because
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like it was. It was one
Speaker 1: series where you were like, okay, well you could have
Speaker 1: made the argument that either team matchup well against ye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't think we liked it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying like we went in and it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: we liked it, but it wasn't bothered either way. Like
Speaker 2: we went down to oh and was I remember, I
Speaker 2: was exciting, So yeah, we went down to oh and
Speaker 2: I don't remember this. I don't know if you remember
Speaker 2: this interview, Like Chris and drew like being nonchalant on
Speaker 2: the podium, like saying, oh okay, and people screensh out
Speaker 2: that that was like, oh, the bucks are done and
Speaker 2: they're cooked, and like, guys, it doesn't work that way,
Speaker 2: Like it's basketball. I got to do my job and
Speaker 2: everything has to click. It doesn't if if it just
Speaker 2: if it was just one guy, we'd be like running
Speaker 2: school like a sprinting, like sprinting.
Speaker 1: And they say a series doesn't start until the home
Speaker 1: team loses a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And you know the reason I say that
Speaker 2: is because then it becomes more pressure and more like
Speaker 2: and then the boy he was supposed to win at home,
Speaker 2: he was supposed to you know, they did their job.
Speaker 2: We got to do our job come back. But the
Speaker 2: reason for that though, it wasn't because of the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 2: It wasn't because we think it was there great game.
Speaker 2: It was the best team we played over all, but
Speaker 2: like team right, not the I'm not talking about individuals because.
Speaker 1: Ask Brooklyn was like, uh, but it was the journey
Speaker 1: bro we went to We played the Heat first, and
Speaker 1: the Heat was.
Speaker 2: Our nightmare nightmare at the time because we lost the
Speaker 2: year before them in the bull Remember the year we
Speaker 2: will post. That was the year were post. We were
Speaker 2: supposed to win for sure, and we lost to them,
Speaker 2: and it was just gut feeling, like like we got
Speaker 2: to play in the game in the first round and
Speaker 2: we got to fight our demons, and and two three
Speaker 2: games before the end of the season we actually picked.
Speaker 2: We could have we could have lost. We could have
Speaker 2: lost and went and played somebody else. I was like, no,
Speaker 2: we want to play Miami. When we had the rounder
Speaker 2: the smoke, Yeah, we're gonna do it. Let's do it first,
Speaker 2: Let's go through the gauntlet. It's gauntlet, as what you say.
Speaker 2: And then we play them. And then we played Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: and Brooklyn like beat us to the ground like we
Speaker 2: played Brooklyn the first game they wonted and we kind
Speaker 2: of decided to no play everybody. And in the first
Speaker 2: game we kind of had a scheme of Okay, don't
Speaker 2: let Katie and don't let James and kydie play right right.
Speaker 2: So they ended up winning by twelve fifteen. At the
Speaker 2: second game, we're like, no, just playing straight right man?
Speaker 2: Oh man? We lost by fifty. So we went throughout diversity,
Speaker 2: which I think you guys didn't because you guys kept
Speaker 2: winning every Cities by four to one Photosito, Like, you
Speaker 2: guys went through cakewalk.
Speaker 1: So I think the adversity you guys, I mean yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you guys being up, being down two oh,
Speaker 1: was nothing compared to what you guys just been there.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and when and think about this about our
Speaker 2: leader too, and leaders in the team like this been
Speaker 2: here in a minute, like we know. That's how you see.
Speaker 2: It's some teams that go to they go to the
Speaker 2: final and you notice about sports, right, and they go
Speaker 2: to the fal multiple time and they lose and you
Speaker 2: go like, ah, man, it was it just was it
Speaker 2: that year? Okay, sometimes it's not that year, but sometimes
Speaker 2: it's just like this psychological fact, right, And then you
Speaker 2: go other guys like Dick goes to the Fund, who wins?
Speaker 2: You know, we went to the Fund, we win, Like
Speaker 2: once you get there, they ain't no losing. Now you
Speaker 2: figure that away. So that's how you see the The
Speaker 2: game six game from Yan is like and not you know,
Speaker 2: people say like, oh, that's one of the most legitary
Speaker 2: performances in the in the finals. It is. But I
Speaker 2: say this not because of the game, but how the
Speaker 2: game was flowing, like everybody was breaking, everybody was playing bad,
Speaker 2: every everybody was so tense. But you you could tell
Speaker 2: him the beginning of the game. He comes in first
Speaker 2: play the game. He runs up in there and Chase
Speaker 2: McCall bridges and boom blocks him. Second second player, like
Speaker 2: he he was there, we're not going back to Phoenix.
Speaker 2: We're not going back to Phoenix. And it wasn't just that,
Speaker 2: Like I remember, I'd call them because you know all
Speaker 2: at the time. So I'm in the hotel and I
Speaker 2: called the security guy. I'm security in the team, and
Speaker 2: I go, hey, you go to the locker room, can
Speaker 2: get your phone to the locker room. Goes to the
Speaker 2: locker room, textims like, hey, listener because because you know
Speaker 2: a lot of like Yiannis is locked so you're texting
Speaker 2: during the game. Don't have the security to the security
Speaker 2: and Yannis goes to the half times half time.
Speaker 3: See so you're a message a half time Yeah, because.
Speaker 2: His second quarters. I got a texting before it comes out,
Speaker 2: so get some message. And I go, like, I know
Speaker 2: you're locked in. Don't want to bother you, bro, but
Speaker 2: like I want you to think about one thing. The
Speaker 2: trophy is in the building. Do not let this trophy
Speaker 2: leave the building. Don't let this trophy leave the building.
Speaker 2: It's there. We've been well, we used to sell stuff
Speaker 2: in the streets. Man, We've been through like all kind
Speaker 2: of like our life like this, and we know what
Speaker 2: it is like this. We don't get opportunities like you
Speaker 2: never know if you can, you never know. That's why
Speaker 2: you see us so so amped up when we play.
Speaker 2: That's so you see us emped up where we played
Speaker 2: games because we know what it means. It's just we're
Speaker 2: blessed to have this opportunity. So going back to the
Speaker 2: and he just went, it's.
Speaker 1: Crazy, yeah, man uh and then shout out to Drew Holliday.
Speaker 1: Just that steal to the to the alley loop just
Speaker 1: ripped my heart out of my chest.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: But I'm just glad we lost to y'all, not like
Speaker 1: you know, the Celtics or somebody who the Celtics. I
Speaker 1: don't like the Celtics in my life. The Celtics and
Speaker 1: the Spurs. I'm not a Spurs, you know what.
Speaker 3: I like the Spurs now because I like Wenby, But
Speaker 3: you know, when I grew up, like Tim Duncan and
Speaker 3: Manu and Tony Parker used to just just they had
Speaker 3: our number in the in the playoffs every year, you know.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: Five rings, yeah, five rings to tell you it's crazy.
Speaker 1: So I watched a couple of months ago, I got
Speaker 1: to watch the documentary about your family on Disney, and.
Speaker 3: So you want you watch the movie it was about
Speaker 3: It was about you guys as whole ship.
Speaker 2: No it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't a movie, it was a documentary. Whatever
Speaker 1: the documentary is. I watched, so maybe it wasn't on Disney.
Speaker 1: It was HBO, Amazon, Amazon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's not the prime of the movie, is
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I watched the documentary and you know, dude, I got
Speaker 1: super emotional, like just seeing how Jannis came up and
Speaker 1: how he brought your dad over and your mom over,
Speaker 1: and and how he kind of just put y'all on
Speaker 1: his back and like, you know, kind of obviously you're
Speaker 1: losing your father. I mean, I saw how big of
Speaker 1: a deal that was for you guys, because he was
Speaker 1: the anchor of the family. Is there, you know for
Speaker 1: people who don't know obviously Father's Day's coming up, but
Speaker 1: like for people who haven't seen that, like you know,
Speaker 1: when you said you guys grew up selling stuff in
Speaker 1: the streets like you guys, Like literally, the story is
Speaker 1: so crazy. I suggest everyone go and watch it, but
Speaker 1: give me like as quick of a synopsis as possible
Speaker 1: of just like what it was like growing up for
Speaker 1: you guys, and you know what it meant for you
Speaker 1: guys to make it to where.
Speaker 2: You are now. You know, I so born and raised
Speaker 2: in Greece, right, and and you know we started playing basketball,
Speaker 2: like I said I played was when I was fifteen sixteen, right,
Speaker 2: like for like that's a late for basketball player. Uh.
Speaker 2: And then uh shoot, you know we used to help
Speaker 2: my mom and that so think about this is like
Speaker 2: at the time my mom and dad came from Africa,
Speaker 2: from Nigeria, Nigeria. Yeah, from Africa to degrees. And they
Speaker 2: were like okay, you know they came degrees because of
Speaker 2: the education. Right. The educational system in Greece is like stellar,
Speaker 2: and it's free. It's free, you know. So health care
Speaker 2: is free, yeah, most of it. I mean it's not
Speaker 2: like here here, here's the worst. Yeah, it's the worst.
Speaker 2: Not the worst, but no, it's the worst. It's the worst.
Speaker 3: No, we got great doctors, but the actual like buocracy
Speaker 3: is terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, you know, they try, they did their best.
Speaker 2: They gave everything they had. I'm not like you know,
Speaker 2: And we used to like stell sunglasses and streets records
Speaker 2: like mixed like CDs and you guys.
Speaker 1: Sell boot leg shit in the streets like you guys
Speaker 1: ever get the DVDs where the people who walk past
Speaker 1: the screen, you know those those ones the cameras, because
Speaker 1: that's that's how I got my name. Yeah, I used
Speaker 1: to sell those movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But so because I'll tell you how we worked
Speaker 2: at the time. So at the time, it would be
Speaker 2: a blank CD like that behind you, right, and you
Speaker 2: had the stickers move. You had to stick the stickers
Speaker 2: on top of it. So I remember, we do this
Speaker 2: for countless hours, like like the Matrix three. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: would be you know, and you had like I had that.
Speaker 3: I had that CD burner in my in my house.
Speaker 2: You had was sixteen seventeen.
Speaker 3: No, I had a three one and they couldn't afford
Speaker 3: the big one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we had like one with like seven oh,
Speaker 1: so you guys were like fucking getting it in Yeah,
Speaker 1: because DVD or CDs both both.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's how I got my name.
Speaker 1: I'll have to swap meets selling fake CDs and bootleg
Speaker 1: mixtape CDs.
Speaker 3: But I mean obviously pirated.
Speaker 2: But how if you want to give us back?
Speaker 3: Then it was a part of it.
Speaker 2: You had to you had to get. You had to
Speaker 2: get go see the DVD man and and even that,
Speaker 2: like it's venice. Now you can't do it no more.
Speaker 2: Like now it's like streaming, streaming, Now where would I
Speaker 2: put a disc? Do you have a LimeWire? Of course
Speaker 2: war used to do.
Speaker 3: We used to know you used to like how many
Speaker 3: viruses did you get on your parents computer?
Speaker 2: I used to So we used to pay to go
Speaker 2: to this internet cafe and just a bunch of I
Speaker 2: used to go there and like us b little usbing
Speaker 2: loaded up with some stuff.
Speaker 1: Yes, music, do you remember what your best sellers were
Speaker 1: in the streets of Greece, Like give me a music
Speaker 1: or a movie or a movie?
Speaker 2: A lot of people love to watch like the comedies
Speaker 2: like Eddie Murphy and Uh. And they loved comedies. They
Speaker 2: loved uh, like Troy what's the thing? Like Troy was
Speaker 2: popping with everybody wanted to what about?
Speaker 3: Like who which rapper was hot?
Speaker 2: In the streets where you guys are like yo, somebody
Speaker 2: be like, yo, I want to mixtape with this this
Speaker 2: guy fifty fifty for sure, but you can't understand like
Speaker 2: every other rapper or artist I'm not known, but its
Speaker 2: like fifty.
Speaker 3: No, fifties huge everywhere they like go go when.
Speaker 2: That came out, they like they played today you put
Speaker 2: the mind of his neighbors, go go, go go show
Speaker 2: like it's the thing that's crazy. So you guys are
Speaker 2: kind of making ends meet, hustling in the streets. You like,
Speaker 2: you get to sell like thirty or forty dollars a day,
Speaker 2: it's a good day.
Speaker 1: What point in time did you cause your NBA dream
Speaker 1: became real before before everybody's right, So like no, like
Speaker 1: in terms of like because you're you're older, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: So look, this is this is why. This is why,
Speaker 2: Like you know, you see people like or they say
Speaker 2: something stuff online. I'm like, if you literally knew, you
Speaker 2: would be like what. So Johannis gets drafted and in
Speaker 2: the same draft that Yans gets drafted, I had an
Speaker 2: agent of the time. I still it's still my best man.
Speaker 2: I was the best man at his wedding. They call
Speaker 2: him to go like, hey, snass the draft. This is
Speaker 2: like two days before and they go. He goes like, no,
Speaker 2: he's not in the draft. It's like, damn, we would
Speaker 2: have picked him at number fifty two with Brooklyn and
Speaker 2: I go like, what they would have picked me? Mind
Speaker 2: you to have no paper world nothing. I didn't do it.
Speaker 2: Submit for the draft, right, you got to submit everything,
Speaker 2: Like damn. Joannice gets drafted first round that year. Same
Speaker 2: year he asked me, He's like, hey, what are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, how might just go back home? Yeah, so
Speaker 2: he's doing this thing. I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: go back home, try to, you know, figure out way
Speaker 2: to gave mom and dad and the family there. I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm gonna get my career right. This September comes in,
Speaker 2: my agent calls me. He's like, you know what I
Speaker 2: want to put your I want to put your name
Speaker 2: in the G League. I know, in the D League.
Speaker 2: At the time, I was like, what do you They
Speaker 2: have a draft. He's like, yeah, I'll call you if
Speaker 2: they if they pick you, I'll call you whatever. I'm sleep.
Speaker 2: They called me at one o'clock in the morning. I
Speaker 2: was like, what happened. He's like, yeah, you got picked
Speaker 2: by the seventy six ers. For the affiliated team.
Speaker 1: Which is like another type of six after yeah eighty
Speaker 1: seven or eighty seven ER's.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I was like what He's like yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, so what does that mean? I
Speaker 2: know it's not the NBA. What does that mean? Do like, okay,
Speaker 2: you cut right away? Do I go there? Or like
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, you go there for four days and
Speaker 2: if they like you, they keep you. You know, you
Speaker 2: go back to Grease. We like, okay, So I go there.
Speaker 2: I do the camp. They look they I'm a nice
Speaker 2: kid too, like they love me, like it was great
Speaker 2: people there and I and I like played my ass off,
Speaker 2: like I really played my ass off, and then I
Speaker 2: curse you. Yeah okay. So I go there and I'm
Speaker 2: the same team. It's me I kill car if you know,
Speaker 2: I kill Carr from Baltimore. And I was like, uh
Speaker 2: and great players. So we go there. I finished the
Speaker 2: season and I become the we become like me and
Speaker 2: another guy, PJ. Hurston from Charlotte become two the first
Speaker 2: two they ever get draft from the G League to
Speaker 2: the NBA. Wow. And at the night of the draft,
Speaker 2: I'm like, ooh, I know I'm going to Philly because
Speaker 2: they told me. It was like, I know I'm going
Speaker 2: to Philly fifty six. I know I'm going to Phield.
Speaker 2: I'm happy. I'm like, I know, go to Philly. Fifty
Speaker 2: one comes in New York, Knicks go like, Hey, come
Speaker 2: to New York, Come New York. Stay where you at.
Speaker 2: I was New York at the time. Stay where you at?
Speaker 2: What year was this twenty fourteen? So is that the
Speaker 2: tail end of the low era? Yeah, I'm there with
Speaker 2: shump shump, you know, because you had like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so mellow was that was j R? J R. Smith.
Speaker 2: That was the Knicks tape, That was the NIXT tape.
Speaker 3: Was Jeremy Was that Lynn sanity era?
Speaker 2: No, he's gone. It was going before.
Speaker 1: It was before Sunday was Sunday was before? Oh yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: so Jeremy Lynn was already gone in twenty fourteen?
Speaker 2: Was it? I think I'm damn I thinks I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because it is interesting because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that like there's no like everyone's journey to
Speaker 1: the league is different. You mentioned like people who say
Speaker 1: stuff online do you pay attention? Were like, because like
Speaker 1: you've heard Charles Barkley say yo that he's always gonna
Speaker 1: have a job because his brother.
Speaker 2: Oh do you care? That's a compliment because that means
Speaker 2: I'm a good person and I do. Nobody gives you nothing.
Speaker 2: They don't like you first of all. That's why. And
Speaker 2: you have to bring something to the something to tell.
Speaker 2: But I actually like Charles Buckley and I actually like
Speaker 2: Shack and yeah, guys what I mean? And like theys
Speaker 2: this is like finding joke. But like the thing is
Speaker 2: like what happens is some kids believe that right Like
Speaker 2: I was in a camp and was working on this
Speaker 2: was increased. It was like this is pre COVID, pre COVID,
Speaker 2: and I'm playing with this kid and we're playing like
Speaker 2: two and two or three and three, and uh, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm supposed to show the kid like you know, he's.
Speaker 1: Like eight, Yeah, but you're not gonna like, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna like go all in and he probably starts, yeah.
Speaker 2: Why would I do that. Then I'm like showing that
Speaker 2: they're playing, and then we'll finished the practice. Everybody's happy,
Speaker 2: and then we go like he goes like I want
Speaker 2: to play. I want to play on playing, so okay,
Speaker 2: then we're playing two and two. I'm saying my other brother,
Speaker 2: and I can hear it, like there's kids in the
Speaker 2: background like, oh yeah, yeah, he's not old that you
Speaker 2: got him this that blah blah. So lady, he scores once, okay,
Speaker 2: scores TWI cool. I don't. I literally, I'm not doing anything.
Speaker 2: And then I think you want to be like the
Speaker 2: fourth point, they were out by like a two. We're
Speaker 2: playing two and two, and I so the enough time
Speaker 2: he did something, he grabbed me something, and I saw
Speaker 2: that he believed it in his eyes, He's like he's
Speaker 2: just there. I saw that they believed it. I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: so now now I'm being serious. Now we're going back
Speaker 2: and forth now. And then I scored, scored, scored, scores,
Speaker 2: called back him down, dunk him, buck him down, duct
Speaker 2: him again. You see what I like, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to go into the movies. But like the lesson was
Speaker 2: then he sat down. He wasn't talking, and I didn't
Speaker 2: say nothing. I didn't talk trash, say nothing. I said,
Speaker 2: you want to come to the NBA. And I'm not
Speaker 2: even the best brother. You ain't going through me. You
Speaker 2: were going through him and going through him. I saw
Speaker 2: I was looking my bus because off the town coast.
Speaker 2: He is with the Lakers. At the time. I was
Speaker 2: younger brother was seventeen eighteen. I said, you can't play
Speaker 2: against him, good luck, you can't. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: You can't play against him? And he said he looked
Speaker 2: at me. He was like and I felt and I
Speaker 2: saw that he was her him card and I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: come here from me. We walked off and I said, listen,
Speaker 2: you have great talent, you get potential. Don't never nobody
Speaker 2: that you think this is easy. It's not right. I
Speaker 2: don't care what you well. Nobody says, yeah, not let
Speaker 2: it be a lesson learned. No, but but it wasn't
Speaker 2: the lesson learned to this kid. It was it was
Speaker 2: for It was for him. It was for the kid
Speaker 2: to understand, like, I got to put some work into this, right,
Speaker 2: They say nobody because if it was not his one,
Speaker 2: don't do other people have brothers other people for sure?
Speaker 2: So what so what so I'll give an example. If
Speaker 2: it's not easy, you'd be like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: want my brother to have a podcast, I want my
Speaker 2: mom to do this, I want my sister do you
Speaker 2: can do whatever you do for sure, but you gotta yeah, no, no,
Speaker 2: you're right for surely. So that's a that's a nice I.
Speaker 1: Just found out what's his name, McDaniels from The Raptors
Speaker 1: is Jade McDaniel's brother.
Speaker 3: I was like, because the son, you know, the sons.
Speaker 1: They always talk about players we might try to get
Speaker 1: with our shitty contract situations that we have.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, he's a damn we.
Speaker 3: Get his brother gotta be tired because he's good.
Speaker 1: Do you guys, because obviously you got you know you
Speaker 1: you and your brother got the chop it up with
Speaker 1: steven A. But I always wonder, like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: there's got to be a thin line between paying attention
Speaker 1: to what the talking heads say on TV okay, because
Speaker 1: like people can say some crazy shit about ship your
Speaker 1: brother at times, about about all players, right, Shack has
Speaker 1: said things throughout the years prior to the championship happening.
Speaker 1: Do you guys pay how much attention do you pay
Speaker 1: that like? Or do you drown it out while the
Speaker 1: season's going on?
Speaker 2: So it only depends, I'll tell you why. It depends
Speaker 2: what you don't want, don' juice pool who are negative?
Speaker 2: So if it's a if it's somebody who you got
Speaker 2: to see every day and they're negative, you don't think
Speaker 2: you don't want to be around them, of course not.
Speaker 2: But if it's somebody because think, okay, let's go to Shad.
Speaker 2: You said you said his name right right. Shaq does
Speaker 2: not talk shit because he wants to be an asshole.
Speaker 3: He's actually trying to be like.
Speaker 2: Give it to me. Give you a prime example. There
Speaker 2: was an example when it was for a year and
Speaker 2: a half that everybody was talking about the ad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they kept telling a D two things like you
Speaker 2: got to be like this, you gotta do this, you
Speaker 2: gotta do this. Why do you think they're saying it.
Speaker 2: It's because they're seeing what's happening that Joannie is coming,
Speaker 2: Joel is coming, your kids is coming. They're telling you, like, bro,
Speaker 2: you're the one of us. You got to you have to.
Speaker 2: So that's one example. Another example when check was telling
Speaker 2: embiid something. Remember when MBI came to the league and
Speaker 2: this three and you can go back and look at it.
Speaker 2: He used to tweet all the time. He used to
Speaker 2: have the cheeseburgers and before the game, remember all this
Speaker 2: all this other stuff, right, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden when people start saying like, hey, you got to
Speaker 2: do this, and the last two years the switch that
Speaker 2: got flipped and if and it flipped and he became
Speaker 2: this Joel and bad. We see now very strictly she
Speaker 2: is a nice, getting great guy, like very into it
Speaker 2: because she wanted to be. If you think about it,
Speaker 2: he wanted to be the goofy kind of when he came.
Speaker 1: He wanted to probably would have probably would have won
Speaker 1: another MVP if he would have got hurt this year.
Speaker 2: The way he was playing.
Speaker 3: But the way he was playing was crazy, but I
Speaker 3: had him on my fanis to me.
Speaker 2: Still crazy that Luke and you understood and now that's
Speaker 2: another that's another.
Speaker 1: It is what it is, what it is that I'm
Speaker 1: now My question to you is when you see Yokic winner,
Speaker 1: you like, you know what hey like? Do you guys
Speaker 1: root for the Europeans?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Lucas your guy you played against?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is like Lucas your guy? Yeah, he
Speaker 2: comes like this. Most of the guys you you know,
Speaker 2: we talked about like did check in and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought for sure like Luca based on if
Speaker 1: you just look at like that roster, the way the
Speaker 1: season started. Obviously they made the trades they got they
Speaker 1: got gaffered, uh and they got PJ. Washington, which are
Speaker 1: super underrated moves. But yeah, I'm like, bro, like this
Speaker 1: dude made Nobody thought him and Kyrie would work, and
Speaker 1: somehow he made it work. And now they're in the final, Like,
Speaker 1: and you can't vote for people based on what they
Speaker 1: did in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Luca, Luca, look mo thing there. The argument
Speaker 2: I always make is this, right, like, there is only
Speaker 2: two guys in this category that had better numbers than
Speaker 2: the time they won. Joe and third was gonna be third,
Speaker 2: Joel was going to have better numbers than the year.
Speaker 2: It's you honest, right, and it's look better the numbers
Speaker 2: now Nicola. Nicola won and I'm happy for it because
Speaker 2: that's what is amazing. Yeah, he's all get me wrong,
Speaker 2: but like all these guys had better numbers of the
Speaker 2: year than one. Now, if it's numbers predicated, if it's numbers,
Speaker 2: if if it's numbers predicated, okay, maybe Joel would should
Speaker 2: have won last year and somebody else, I mean the
Speaker 2: year before, the year before, that year before. But if
Speaker 2: he's predicated on winning, you before this year and half
Speaker 2: with coach Bud, we had to we used to win
Speaker 2: sixteen games like this regular season. You guys, you guys
Speaker 2: were the regular season. Gods, god, we should we should
Speaker 2: have we should have should have won like five in
Speaker 2: a row.
Speaker 1: That's why I when like Booker only came in fourth
Speaker 1: the year we I forget how many wins we have
Speaker 1: like fourth.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they keep the keeps changing. So that's that's
Speaker 2: my problem, right because should have been higher. Exactly they
Speaker 2: had the best. They had the best, thank you. So
Speaker 2: it just keeps changing. And guys, you know some guys
Speaker 2: care about that.
Speaker 1: But you got to kind of like reward being the
Speaker 1: one seed. If you're the I mean, think about the
Speaker 1: under think about the thunder. The thunder, Like the improvement
Speaker 1: that they had this year was insane.
Speaker 2: You you have to uh reward that as well. You
Speaker 2: get you know, you get the water that we So
Speaker 2: the playoffs shirts are more than the normal playoff shairs.
Speaker 2: So the sitting matters if you if you finish first
Speaker 2: when you get to the playoffs compared to another team,
Speaker 2: might you guys might do the same thing, go lostly
Speaker 2: losing the second round, or go to all the way
Speaker 2: to the finals, you guys shares more than them because
Speaker 2: you might make more money. Yeah, oh wow. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: if you're one seed, you get more money. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: did not know. I'm a businessman, you are. Yeah, But
Speaker 2: when it comes to so.
Speaker 1: When you're going to when you got the ring, you
Speaker 1: were waiting for that bonus, You're like, oh yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna lie to you. For the past six years, I mean,
Speaker 2: we've been a great team. And of course then everything
Speaker 2: I I'm being investors stuff like that. So I I've
Speaker 2: voltadedly allocated already. I'm like, okay, we're gonna get this,
Speaker 2: this this, so you already know where it's going.
Speaker 1: What do you invest? Like, what are some of your
Speaker 1: investments you make? Because I've heard, I've heard you're the
Speaker 1: brain behind the family in terms of I don't say that, don't.
Speaker 2: Put me, don't do no no. But I work hard.
Speaker 2: I'm on and off the court, and you're not. Are
Speaker 2: you like into crypto some parts of it? Like yeah,
Speaker 2: a little bit, I can. I can tell you too, Like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. I won't tell you on stocks, real estate.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the that's the normal stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's the that's the normal. The stocks real estate, and
Speaker 2: then he becomes and then obviously pab your equity and.
Speaker 1: To that, you like invest in certain companies because you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen tons of players like get involved with like
Speaker 1: different drinks.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so underwear companies definitely. I mean we had
Speaker 2: a Kadie funhouse. Yeah, we both we we like for
Speaker 2: the kids for like in general candy and we got
Speaker 2: flex power, uh that we had. Then most of it's
Speaker 2: overseas and.
Speaker 1: You guys own have you invested a lot of real
Speaker 1: estate back home in Greece?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's kind of.
Speaker 2: Like sorry, you know, I'm not being very open, but
Speaker 2: like as an investor, you're not supposed to be because
Speaker 2: you makes sense. But it's okay. But when we finished
Speaker 2: the part, I'll tell you what can lay it down.
Speaker 2: Anything you want to do, got it?
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 2: Got it?
Speaker 3: That's great, dude, talk to me. Uh, you got to
Speaker 3: give me some insight.
Speaker 1: This season was an interesting one, right because you guys
Speaker 1: had Adrian Griff who obviously when you got let Go,
Speaker 1: I think you guys were.
Speaker 3: The two seed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very just strange season. Yeah, you know, Doc River
Speaker 1: was killing it doing his TNT thing. And doing his
Speaker 1: podcasting and and then he gets thrown into the mix,
Speaker 1: and you know, Doc's a great guy. I love hearing
Speaker 1: him talk about basketball. It definitely didn't you know, things
Speaker 1: things hit obviously it ended with with your brother being injured.
Speaker 1: You can disappointing season, a weird season.
Speaker 3: What was this season like for you? As just like, like,
Speaker 3: tell me what happened?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 3: So, like, why did Griff get fired?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 3: A lot of people say, well, I'm saying a lot
Speaker 3: of people say it was like he wasn't clicking with.
Speaker 2: The players, Like so, okay, it's because because you don't
Speaker 2: ever see that happen where someone gets fired right away. Okay,
Speaker 2: let me say. Let me just say this first of all,
Speaker 2: it's not fair to me speak for somebody else. It's
Speaker 2: unfair for sure about what I what what I think,
Speaker 2: and what what I believe. It was just unfortunate because
Speaker 2: he came into a situation that like first year as
Speaker 2: a coach, and then all of a sudden, you know, okay,
Speaker 2: I got I got Yon honest. You know, I got
Speaker 2: I got honest replacing former coach of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I got the book like I got like Brook
Speaker 2: Lopez and Chris Millerson and the Milwaukee Bucks the fit
Speaker 2: of deer, like you know, I got this team and
Speaker 2: I gotta do this, and then you end up you
Speaker 2: end up making a huge adjustment because it was in
Speaker 2: the trade of all trades happens and Dame comes to
Speaker 2: Milwaukee and it's not easy.
Speaker 1: Why did you How many people people don't remember that
Speaker 1: didn't trade? That trade didn't happen like that happened like
Speaker 1: at the end of the off season. It was deep
Speaker 1: in the off season.
Speaker 2: It wasn't right away. See two days before camp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was super right there at the.
Speaker 2: Two days before camp, and uh, it was just it
Speaker 2: was just unfortunate because he became he came into the
Speaker 2: situation that now you gotta win because people keep saying like, oh,
Speaker 2: now the NBA is becoming but he was winning. No,
Speaker 2: but this is this is what I'm trying to This
Speaker 2: is what throws your throws you off because it's not winning.
Speaker 2: It's the philosophy. Maybe it was not because we're winning games.
Speaker 2: Other teams are winning games. Is how we're winning.
Speaker 1: No, you guys are winning because you guys were just size, defense, physical.
Speaker 1: It was the defensive identity of the Bucks was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're gonna play the Bucks, you gotta
Speaker 1: deal with brook Low. Pez you gotta do at the time,
Speaker 1: Drew Holliday, you gotta deal with the best defender of
Speaker 1: the modern history.
Speaker 2: Giannis like, yeah, so it's not the winning, it's how
Speaker 2: you're winning and how you're winning by like we went
Speaker 2: to Detroit. We make certain teams and we barely wont
Speaker 2: It's not the you know, I'm not here too. People
Speaker 2: respect me for sure, and people love me, and you know,
Speaker 2: you hear them and Pad and everybody come out like, man,
Speaker 2: they don't do that because they like me, because they
Speaker 2: respect me and what I say as a person, I
Speaker 2: never lie and I never should super coat anything. That's
Speaker 2: why because if I like you, it's almost like, you
Speaker 2: know what, like if we're gonna do this, we gotta
Speaker 2: let's make a change now since then or later. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't to make it. It was just unfortunately because
Speaker 2: he's a great guy or person, but he comes to
Speaker 2: a team and he is trying. He tried to kind
Speaker 2: of switch everything right, but the thing was not you
Speaker 2: don't when you come in and you come to a restaurant,
Speaker 2: you don't go and you throw the plate. You just
Speaker 2: a little bit, a little bit of slavery displace.
Speaker 1: We're two years removed from a title like they're not.
Speaker 1: They're't really much broken here. We time to contends every
Speaker 1: every year we have it. This is you can this
Speaker 1: year to this year to your.
Speaker 2: Brother hundred percent, one hundred percent. But like we are ZiT.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying this where the title content never
Speaker 2: something contend that to say, oh, we need to to
Speaker 2: know we have opportunity every year to be one of
Speaker 2: the last things standing. Every single might not be no,
Speaker 2: but you have that. We aspired Milwaukee. You know this
Speaker 2: is not the We're not the Celtics or the Lakers.
Speaker 2: This we're small Milwaukee, which people say small. I say
Speaker 2: we're big Milwaukee for sure. And we have this aspidation
Speaker 2: every year. Now you cannot come in and think not
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about griff or or anything, but I'm
Speaker 2: saying like as a team and say, okay, we're gonna
Speaker 2: throw everything out and now we're gonna play like, uh, we'll.
Speaker 3: Go different style.
Speaker 2: Yeah different.
Speaker 1: What It's interesting to you because if you think about
Speaker 1: coach Bud and his philosophy, he's always looked at as
Speaker 1: an offensive guy. But the Bucks were such a stellar
Speaker 1: defensive team anchored by your brother, and it's like it
Speaker 1: was like the best of both worlds. Help me understand
Speaker 1: what we're signing up with. My son's hired your guy coach,
Speaker 1: coach Bud, who's an Arizona native.
Speaker 2: Man, Coach Bud. With Coach Bud, I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 2: to you. You're signing up for great culture. One win another.
Speaker 2: They're gon't figure that out. Great culture, it's all about
Speaker 2: the team. Yeah, system, they say, no shoot threes. He
Speaker 2: loves threes. Right, it's not that he loves this is
Speaker 2: how are you taking them threes? How we're shooting them? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And uh, you're gonna sign for winning. He's a look
Speaker 2: at his record. Many look at.
Speaker 3: Your sixty wins.
Speaker 2: No matter who's like, I don't know her, Like if
Speaker 2: I ever was front office or if Iver. It was
Speaker 2: all like, I definitely want to work with Coach Bod
Speaker 2: and this guy's and.
Speaker 3: You guys had a great rapport obviously coach, but is
Speaker 3: somebody who you know?
Speaker 2: I ship? Was it five years? He was with the
Speaker 2: Bucks four years? All four years was just no, no,
Speaker 2: it was five It was fine. I mean five years
Speaker 2: with the Bucks, the five Yeah, you guys still have
Speaker 2: a good relationship. I'm saying this guy, listen with everybody
Speaker 2: that we won the championship with. It's something lad to
Speaker 2: Daddy and and I wish to everybody who's listening to
Speaker 2: watching they get to feel something like this in the
Speaker 2: in their line of work, whatever they do, because it's
Speaker 2: something that you but that you fight for every year,
Speaker 2: right but like for us, for specifically us as a team,
Speaker 2: not having any guarantee and just be like, you know what,
Speaker 2: we're gonna it's gonna happen, and we're gonna do this
Speaker 2: against all odds and the way we did it and
Speaker 2: it wasn't like it was I'm telling you that up
Speaker 2: and down.
Speaker 1: I went like that's what I love about what your
Speaker 1: brother said in that press conference where he's like, yo,
Speaker 1: we're in the NBA, Like you can't win it every year,
Speaker 1: Like you cannot win it every year you can like
Speaker 1: look at the landscape that the league.
Speaker 3: Has never been more talented like ever, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Like if you would have told people that the Western
Speaker 1: Conference Finals were going to be Dallas first Minnesota at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year, people would have been like
Speaker 1: probably not, but look, but look, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, Look because everybody's getting better. Everybody's
Speaker 2: getting in the lab and the and the and the
Speaker 2: young bulls and young cats that you saw like the
Speaker 2: Tatums and the cal Anthony Towns and then Anthony Edoward's
Speaker 2: now and all these guys and Jellen Browns and Tetada,
Speaker 2: they're growing up and they're understanding, like, hey, you don't
Speaker 2: get too many opportunities at this Now, what.
Speaker 1: Is it like going into a locker room and you
Speaker 1: have one of the greatest point guards of all time
Speaker 1: now and in my opinion, the only person challenging Tim
Speaker 1: Duncan for the greatest power for it of all time
Speaker 1: is your brother at this point. All due respect to
Speaker 1: car all due respect to Carmelong, but you got what's
Speaker 1: gonna end up probably being the greatest power firt of
Speaker 1: all time. And then Damian Lillard, who's just like an
Speaker 1: alien talent, like the guy is, you know, top three shooter,
Speaker 1: top five shooter ever, Like what is that like? Just
Speaker 1: because obviously you know, you guys want to ring with
Speaker 1: Drew Dame's Dame that's Dame Dollar man, Like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? They got to be cool, like just
Speaker 1: to be like, man, we got Damian Lillard, like worst
Speaker 1: case scenario.
Speaker 3: We we got Dame too, So.
Speaker 2: There ain't the worst case scenario you get, you get.
Speaker 3: Your brother gets injured.
Speaker 2: On someone's head exactly. Uh. I was very surprised, like
Speaker 2: when when I first saw him, like the of a kid,
Speaker 2: that guy he is, like he's like so genuine and
Speaker 2: so like hotfelt and all about winning and willing to
Speaker 2: be like hey man, I'm here like like like what
Speaker 2: what do we do? Right? And I remember like everybody
Speaker 2: was like Milwaukee and he doesn't guys, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: like these guys going through the all kind of stuff
Speaker 2: stuff like this guy relax and enjoy the team and
Speaker 2: watched this year what I want and watch how them
Speaker 2: boys you know click and play and you say it.
Speaker 3: I feel like that always happens when, like you know,
Speaker 3: think about like Miami's first year, think about like the nets,
Speaker 3: like we talked about like you need some time together.
Speaker 1: And then this was a weird season for you guys,
Speaker 1: two different head coaches, Like you guys still got to
Speaker 1: kind of get used to playing for Doc, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's different, like.
Speaker 2: A hundred percent. And again The other thing is the
Speaker 2: way he uh he responded to like, hey, you need
Speaker 2: me to be aggressive, be you need me to facilitate
Speaker 2: our facility you knowed me, you need me to be dang. Yes,
Speaker 2: I need you to be dang, you know. And it's
Speaker 2: those things that you don't expect from from the start.
Speaker 2: He's caliber because we used to the visually people you
Speaker 2: know love and names and the guys in the world.
Speaker 2: It is because they are like, like you can ask
Speaker 2: any coat you want, They'll be like, yeah, I'll just
Speaker 2: do whatever I told him to do, which is rare.
Speaker 3: It like to be that guy.
Speaker 2: You see guys who are not even that bigger, they're
Speaker 2: not coachable, is what it is for sure. Sports. But
Speaker 2: like dude being culturable and he's work ethic, like you know,
Speaker 2: I work out with him. He was like, hey, you
Speaker 2: want to want to do this and and work and
Speaker 2: give me porters like hey, man, like why you why
Speaker 2: are you holding the boat like this and letting go
Speaker 2: like right like leaning for your figures. He you know,
Speaker 2: told me the technique and why stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: I was like, man, what and asked me. You know,
Speaker 2: he was one of the first. Actually, that's how time
Speaker 2: about season in my podcast. Yeah, the first with him
Speaker 2: and I said, man, you never smile, and he says
Speaker 2: the story in my pocket. He goes like, well happened
Speaker 2: in high school and like he's right, He's right, yeah,
Speaker 2: And you know there's things like this and he was
Speaker 2: always willing to be an nobody book for me and
Speaker 2: he knows me about two or three months from the beginning,
Speaker 2: Like that's the guys, this is the feeling you want
Speaker 2: to have with teammates, you know, called the camaraderie. And
Speaker 2: then you know just.
Speaker 1: Like click, that's I mean, isn't that the most important
Speaker 1: aspect active championship culture? You think winning culture is actually
Speaker 1: the cohesiveness of all the guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because because people will say winning culture is the
Speaker 2: is the winning games on. The culture is the people.
Speaker 2: That's the culture. If you you know you're becoming.
Speaker 1: Because if you think about like the main stays of
Speaker 1: your guys' roster, I've been the same dudes.
Speaker 2: It's like you look christ college team Brook, It's me
Speaker 2: and Chris is Brook Lopez, It's pot conton Bobby Portois,
Speaker 2: and it was a lady was Drew Howdy as well,
Speaker 2: and who else was Like we've been together from which
Speaker 2: went crazy. Shout out to Dodante de Vincendo went crazy
Speaker 2: with the next man found a home, had him. He's
Speaker 2: bro the way the Villanova boys have took it over
Speaker 2: the New York.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just hope they figure out a way to
Speaker 1: get Michael Bridges. They could just reunite the whole. I
Speaker 1: think it should Villanova championship team.
Speaker 2: But like it'd be crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's And it's interesting because even if
Speaker 1: you see like the way the Nuggets grew together, you know,
Speaker 1: like obviously they got Gordon, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: but they all grew together like it didn't happen just
Speaker 1: like that, Like they had to go through adversity, losing,
Speaker 1: and they never pulled the plug on Mike Malone, who's
Speaker 1: one of the best coaches period. And you know, people,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were re pundits that wanted that to happen,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's like they stayed down and they're
Speaker 1: better for it.
Speaker 2: But I want you to understand, because you know, people
Speaker 2: the reason to get like I say again, edition people get,
Speaker 2: you know, find a different home. I don't want to
Speaker 2: stay fired. They let go. There's a strong word, but
Speaker 2: find a different home in the NBA. It's because of
Speaker 2: either timing or maybe it was. Sometimes you know, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: It just is the business. Why give an example, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I people remember the finals right with the Sons.
Speaker 3: Were down to it was a sweep in series, but
Speaker 3: people don't remember.
Speaker 2: We lost for straight. So we were up to OW
Speaker 2: in the Insta Coms Finals and stuck with it, stuck
Speaker 2: with coach Bud, stuck with the team, was like, we're
Speaker 2: gonna rebuild. And then the next year came in and
Speaker 2: then we were up. We had a differential of like
Speaker 2: sixteen points per game. We were beating every body to
Speaker 2: the COVID head right then we go to COVID and
Speaker 2: we lose to the second round again to the heat,
Speaker 2: and stuck with it and decided, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you remember this, decided to make a move that people said,
Speaker 2: what is going on with the Bucks. Traded our whole
Speaker 2: bench George Hill, Wesley Muffis, Eric Blackshaw, and and Dante.
Speaker 2: I almost got traded and came back again for Drew
Speaker 2: Holiday for one.
Speaker 3: Guy and we won, so he's gotta win again.
Speaker 2: Maybe hopefully I would like I'm I'm a dream for him.
Speaker 2: Er Luca, No, I'm a drewe holiday god up, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would be said. No, No, that's true.
Speaker 1: You guys stayed down. That's why, Like that's the one
Speaker 1: thing about you know what I mean? Yeah, no, for sure,
Speaker 1: that's like I kind of wish.
Speaker 2: We would, but he's a he's a copycat league though.
Speaker 3: It is for sure. I was gonna ask you. Uh,
Speaker 3: Jay comes to the team, shout to Jay Crowder, who's
Speaker 3: a dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you guys like tease him a little bit
Speaker 2: about the finals? No, no, he said, I don't want to. Ye,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1: Because he Jay was like one of them dudes on
Speaker 1: our team who felt like, you know, like our enforcer,
Speaker 1: like the dude out there who like would probably talk
Speaker 1: the most ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah we didn't. We didn't tease him, but like
Speaker 2: he had.
Speaker 1: That shirt he remember he wore the funk Jay Crowder
Speaker 1: shirt during the finals run the retcher. Was that the
Speaker 1: finals or was that the year after? After the year after? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a year after.
Speaker 2: Was it again? You love we love ja Milwaukee's it
Speaker 2: was against the kid guy we love Milwaukee. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: he he actually he actually he was it mostly but
Speaker 2: he was damn man, I had the chances if we're
Speaker 2: seeing the campaign because both of them, you guys have
Speaker 2: campaign too. Yeah, so I remember seeing that.
Speaker 3: I hurt my heart.
Speaker 1: I was like, damnos a our guys, our valley guys,
Speaker 1: man love camp, camps, golf.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. This guy is so joyful,
Speaker 2: like like I'm an ERGI guy, so what is around me? Always?
Speaker 2: Like he was like man, the t a always you know,
Speaker 2: gets us read for like.
Speaker 3: The way he can penetrates, like he's so he's so slippery, but.
Speaker 2: I'm not okay, the way he gets to the paint,
Speaker 2: the way he gets to the paint, he's extreme. Campaign
Speaker 2: might be one of the most slippery dudes with the ball.
Speaker 2: I'm not from the States, but I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say even the ward like yeah, that's you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He's so slippery with the ball, like you'd be like, damn,
Speaker 4: he just getting the way he goes to the basket
Speaker 4: and then he has that like like awkward.
Speaker 2: Like he's just like yeah, shouts the campaign man. Geez.
Speaker 3: Yeah that that that was interesting.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 3: You also you you you have label in Greece.
Speaker 2: Cut you up. You told you that, but you also
Speaker 2: said something we were walking through this, you know, But
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I forgot it because I'm not.
Speaker 3: Familiar with the Greek music scene at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's becoming it's started to become like the States, isn't.
Speaker 2: I do a lot of Afro Greeks. That's who I have.
Speaker 2: So it's like Afro beats. But so my brother is
Speaker 2: one of them. My brother does alf for beat lot
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. It's all Greek. It's in English, okay,
Speaker 2: but it's just based in Greece. That's all I have,
Speaker 2: Like I did, like uh, I had. I have a
Speaker 2: artist who was basically a keep shout out to keep plot.
Speaker 3: I've heard some crazy like drill like from other countries
Speaker 3: where it's.
Speaker 2: Like i'll play you song for sure. I got like
Speaker 2: shout out to Philly, my brother shout out to Moose,
Speaker 2: shout out to keep plot with full label. Yeah that's
Speaker 2: pretty sick. Yeah, but it's not my. It's not my.
Speaker 2: It's not that you know, I'm making millions of dollars
Speaker 2: that's my. But no, it's no. Yeah. I love music
Speaker 2: first of all. Uh And the other thing is that
Speaker 2: I can give opportunities to people like Evend even guys
Speaker 2: here like I say like, hey man, I wrap up
Speaker 2: do this. It's nothing for me to go like, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, you want to do EP with us. I
Speaker 2: don't got to go like I want to sign you. No, no,
Speaker 2: I don't do that.
Speaker 1: Let's do one project, one done. See what happens.
Speaker 2: Want done to put you out there. You know how
Speaker 2: people go, They text you on Instagram and go like, hey,
Speaker 2: can you support my music? Can you play my music?
Speaker 2: I'll do it. I don't because that's how I got here.
Speaker 2: Somebody this came to Greece. But you know how why
Speaker 2: we're playing in the gym. I'm not joking. It's worse
Speaker 2: than the high school gym. If when you come, you're
Speaker 2: coming the summer, you said, that's playing, I'll drive you through.
Speaker 2: You see it. And there was that. You had guys
Speaker 2: like Donny Ainge, John Haam, the Bucks. You had all
Speaker 2: these teams come to the small gym and go like
Speaker 2: somebody said, oh let me give you this kid an opportunity.
Speaker 2: Janni's got got drafted. This is true story. You know
Speaker 2: how we have to combine. I went to the combine.
Speaker 2: I went next. I went to he didn't go to
Speaker 2: the combine, he didn't even do physicals. They just took
Speaker 2: a chance and this is this is just one another
Speaker 2: crazy story. We gots do like a little bit of
Speaker 2: Nike and Adidas, but like they went and swing with
Speaker 2: the national team with the national team, and they digitally
Speaker 2: said that because we wasn't invited to Adidas visa camp,
Speaker 2: sums all the kids go to the next generation cap
Speaker 2: and no, no, So it does nothing for me but
Speaker 2: good karma to go and say He's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: know nobody know me. And I mean we were based
Speaker 2: in Milwaukee, based in La based somewhere in the world.
Speaker 2: I don't care if you congo anywhere in the world.
Speaker 2: And you go like, hey man, you know, I uh,
Speaker 2: I rob a little bit or I do this, and
Speaker 2: now if you're bad at it, you're just bad as
Speaker 2: nothing I can have, like even decent good. There's nothing
Speaker 2: for me to go like, who do you.
Speaker 3: Who do you listen to?
Speaker 2: Like, what are some of your favorite artists right now?
Speaker 2: That's just you know, in general, h I listened. I
Speaker 2: mean obviously Burning Boy Boy, Davy Dose, guys, we ski
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 1: Is I didn't know how rich Divido's dad was his
Speaker 1: dad's like a billionaire.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. I interviewed him and I was like.
Speaker 2: What the how was the interview? Super cool? Super cool guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean those guys. And then here in the States,
Speaker 2: uh okay, I can see this. So when I first
Speaker 2: got here, uh, I listened only to two artists. And
Speaker 2: the two artists I listened to it was reached Homi Kawan.
Speaker 3: Shot rich homie man. That was an era, right, a
Speaker 3: young thug, the rich gang.
Speaker 2: But listen, why though I'm not from here and I
Speaker 2: don't have no ties and whatsoever. But the way is
Speaker 2: because my teammates will listened to so we're telling me
Speaker 2: k ran the streets. So it was the time that
Speaker 2: reached HOMEI Kwan was like fourteen, put young thug on
Speaker 2: and then you thug, stop your dog. And I was
Speaker 2: listening to those guys and and Drake and future. That
Speaker 2: was in my whole because of my because of basketball,
Speaker 2: like and then obviously you had the fifties and I
Speaker 2: mean yeah, and then obviously growing up a little bit
Speaker 2: more and spending more time to the US, I kind
Speaker 2: of changed a little bit, right and having uh uh
Speaker 2: from J Cole you know a little bit. Jay Z Naw,
Speaker 2: what'd you think of the Kendrick and Drake? I wanted
Speaker 2: to ask you, what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I I knew it was going to happen.
Speaker 1: I knew what happened that Drake got absolutely just just embarrassed.
Speaker 1: It was very much, uh, your brother putting up fifty
Speaker 1: on DeAndre in game six.
Speaker 2: Every time he says that he goes back to it
Speaker 2: was very much.
Speaker 3: You know, it was just it was just bad. It
Speaker 3: was It wasn't but I knew that. I was telling
Speaker 3: everybody the whole time.
Speaker 1: I said, look, I like Drake, He's got great songs,
Speaker 1: He's an amazing artist. But Kendrick Lamar is different when
Speaker 1: it comes to the rapping ship and being calculated. And
Speaker 1: I tell everybody the whole time, I say this, if
Speaker 1: Drake replies to the like that verse, it's it was
Speaker 1: a piece of bait and he took it so and
Speaker 1: it was just you know, then it was just surgical
Speaker 1: from after that.
Speaker 2: Let me give you let me give you an outside
Speaker 2: of the US opinion. Right, everybody's happy outside the US
Speaker 2: because we're gaining music, so.
Speaker 3: Of course everybody's like Yo, new New Kendrick and Drake.
Speaker 2: Let's go. Everybody's high. You know, Drake has been this
Speaker 2: icon and you know.
Speaker 3: He's a worldly artist.
Speaker 2: He's got daffrobeat songs, pop songs, songs and you're gonna understand,
Speaker 2: like and I'm talking about that overseas, right, and KG
Speaker 2: came up when ken Jack first came out overseas, Lie
Speaker 2: was with the I got loyal inside of my DNA
Speaker 2: like he was like expanding more to twenty seventeen years now?
Speaker 2: Who wanted one? I'm not the ne expect when we
Speaker 2: talk about basketball. I can tell you about the basket.
Speaker 1: But who do you think one who likes? As you said,
Speaker 1: from your opinion, Like you've listened to the songs?
Speaker 2: Ah, not gonna you got put people out there, but
Speaker 2: like no, I but I haven't listened to all of them.
Speaker 3: Listen all of them?
Speaker 2: No I only I only listen to obviously not like us.
Speaker 2: Now it's playing everywhere everywhere, listen listening like us. What's
Speaker 2: the one he says says something about euphoria. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I'm gonna listen to before that. What's the one
Speaker 2: that the Drake says about like push ups? Yeah, it
Speaker 2: might be shut up and make some drums. Shut your
Speaker 2: ass up and make some drums about metro booming. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a that's a fun butt. But why is he
Speaker 2: attacking him like this? They want to ask you.
Speaker 3: Like to me, it's like, okay, do you remember like
Speaker 3: the are you a Marvel fan?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, so you you remember Civil War Captain America Civil War.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's very much what's happening, except for it'd be
Speaker 1: like if if if iron Man was just alone and
Speaker 1: then everybody was with Ken, with with with Captain America.
Speaker 3: Everyone has pretty much left Drake's side.
Speaker 1: There's been a few guys who I'm obviously twenty one
Speaker 1: Savage is cool with both metro Boom and Drake. There's
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff, I think with a bunch of
Speaker 1: the particular parties involved. Because now you know, the Weekend
Speaker 1: and Drake don't fuck with each other. Metro Boom and Drake.
Speaker 2: Don't fuckt Toronto.
Speaker 3: Oh you missed out.
Speaker 1: Then Drake talked about the Weekend on both songs, and
Speaker 1: then the Weekend got back at him or started.
Speaker 3: He threw the first shot on that we Still.
Speaker 1: Don't Trust You album, The metro Boom Listen and the
Speaker 1: Future and Drake aren't fucking with It's All of Drake's
Speaker 1: friends have essentially said the Future has done so much
Speaker 1: good like music with Drake, I know classics, they have
Speaker 1: classic classics.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Uh is it a it's a sad situation.
Speaker 2: Brothers kids, Like they're one of my kids. That's my
Speaker 2: third mart with Future. What I know, it's crazy. We're
Speaker 2: not gonna pick it up. You always said they can't
Speaker 2: pick aside.
Speaker 1: But like, it's over Kendrick one, So it's over. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's pretty ice cold for uh. Listen, I
Speaker 1: never thought i'd ever say it's ice called for Drake
Speaker 1: out here. You can't say that it's freezing right now
Speaker 1: for him. Yo, I'm curious, what have you thought about
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do because you have you said you're
Speaker 1: obviously a business minded guy. You love the sport of basketball, though,
Speaker 1: what is a post NBA career like for you? Oh, coaching,
Speaker 1: scouting jump So.
Speaker 2: By the way, I've done like like I've done this
Speaker 2: like semi ards for like front office. But but like,
Speaker 2: and the thing is, I love helping people, like that's
Speaker 2: that's one of my trades. Like I'm very dependable as
Speaker 2: a person, right, and you can depend on me and
Speaker 2: not only that, like I'm very like I'm of use
Speaker 2: for people like I I like, you know, people call
Speaker 2: me and like hey, T can you help me with this?
Speaker 2: And I pick up the phone. You know, I never
Speaker 2: have a moment that I go like, I know I'm
Speaker 2: bored or whatever, like I always try to help you
Speaker 2: because that's just how I am right now. When it
Speaker 2: comes to postgame cult it, I don't know. You never
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 1: Like let's say you retire coach but calls you, hey,
Speaker 1: come help me coach the Suns. I got a lead
Speaker 1: assistant role for you.
Speaker 2: Are you going?
Speaker 3: Phoenix is nice.
Speaker 2: Phoenix is nice. If you need if he needs me,
Speaker 2: I'll probably do it. I'll probably do it. If the
Speaker 2: only person who I know for a fact that they
Speaker 2: called me I got I'm going is you're doing whatever
Speaker 2: I got, Like he calls me, he goes like, hey man,
Speaker 2: how did you do this?
Speaker 1: I'm going give me a breakdown because when you got drafted,
Speaker 1: was D'Antoni the coach of the Knicks or was it
Speaker 1: Mike Brown who was the coach?
Speaker 2: No, So I got when I got when I got drafted, Uh,
Speaker 2: it was Derrick Fisher. Derek Oh my god, that was
Speaker 2: Fisher here, Derek Fisher, right? And uh was that that
Speaker 2: was before the Matt barnesing happened. Can I just stow
Speaker 2: about that? Yeah? So I was. That was the time
Speaker 2: I got my call up with the team, and I
Speaker 2: remember I went to the facility and it was a
Speaker 2: bunch of Team Z people and just not Team TMS.
Speaker 2: That was yeah, that's it. Yeah, TMZ and a bunch
Speaker 2: of people journalists and waiting out to cameras. And I
Speaker 2: was like, like, what's going on here? I'm driving I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's like we're talking about twenty fourteen, ten years ago.
Speaker 2: I'm driving him, like, what's going on? Called my vet
Speaker 2: at the time, Sasa, Yeah, Sasha, all time laker, great
Speaker 2: role player. Yeah, call him. He goes like, hey, ta,
Speaker 2: just I'm talking to nobody knows what. I was like,
Speaker 2: I barely know English, so yeah, no problem, no problem.
Speaker 2: I walk in, do my practice, and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: it was the whole thing. Coach walked in and he
Speaker 2: said like, I know, you guys heard of what happened.
Speaker 2: You know, there was an altercation and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: At the time, I didn't know what he was talking about.
Speaker 2: I thought it was just something personal. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: he would saying these things and you know, but everything
Speaker 2: is handled and I don't want to take anybody. He
Speaker 2: was being very professional, by the way, very professional about
Speaker 2: it at the time, and I didn't understand. I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: what happened? And then you know, you had the vets talkings,
Speaker 2: like going back and forth, like saying like, oh look,
Speaker 2: anybody called me body text. I was like, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Mind you? Later on I found out a situation. I
Speaker 2: was like, that was it? But he walked in the
Speaker 2: media he was telling I was like trying to explain himself.
Speaker 2: And then after that, I'll make mud bones and sack
Speaker 2: one was it? And I was like, you got in
Speaker 2: the fight with him. Be such a nice guy, yo,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I was like, you got in a fight with him,
Speaker 3: such a nice guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, so such a nice guy, like
Speaker 2: very you know, very polite and like yo, But it happens.
Speaker 1: Listen, you've got to be coached by now, you know,
Speaker 1: two of the great coaches of the modern era.
Speaker 2: And what is it like?
Speaker 1: You know, obviously we talked a little bit like not
Speaker 1: the most perfect season with Doc. You know, he always
Speaker 1: said this, this is a situation. I wouldn'tish on anybody
Speaker 1: coming in the middle of the season to coach the team.
Speaker 3: But Doc Rivers is.
Speaker 1: You know, the reason why he's been gainfully employed for
Speaker 1: the last twenty years is because he's an amazing coach.
Speaker 2: He's one.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's obviously want to ring with the Celtics
Speaker 1: and tons of successful the Clippers and say he knows
Speaker 1: the game?
Speaker 3: What's it like? Uh being coached by Doc? How's how?
Speaker 2: How is that like?
Speaker 1: Because you know Doc is he's a lovable guy. Like
Speaker 1: when you hear him talking, like, man, fuck with Doc.
Speaker 2: I want to go here with him. I want to
Speaker 2: go get Yeah. It's the same thing as as a
Speaker 2: player too. Like first ding May walked in. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to always like, you know, but I don't
Speaker 2: know him like coach like coach buthers, yeah, like I've
Speaker 2: known coach like years, you know, and Uh walked in.
Speaker 2: He was like he teah, man, I heard you. Did
Speaker 2: you take care of everybody in Greece? Man? When I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get my invite? I looked at her, you know,
Speaker 2: shocked a little. That was like coach. You don't need to.
Speaker 2: You can't. You know what I'm saying, You can't. You
Speaker 2: come through any time, you get everything like that. And
Speaker 2: uh and he's such a basketball family too. He comes
Speaker 2: like he so he understands basically.
Speaker 5: Like I kind of dynamic as well, like all, yeah,
Speaker 5: his son plays like obviously you know they have a
Speaker 5: crazy I mean from his career to his I mean
Speaker 5: in Austin's been a yeah obviously he just analysis now.
Speaker 2: But he had a very very successful NBA career. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then I found out like he played market because
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't know he played a marquete. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that I was. And then I found
Speaker 2: out about that. I found out about that, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh man, okay, he's great for Milwaukee all
Speaker 2: these things, and you know he did the best. He's
Speaker 2: stray forward by the.
Speaker 1: Way, super straightforward. You appreciate that because you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like, then, yeah.
Speaker 2: I got to nowhere I stand all times. If you
Speaker 2: don't mess with me school, I'll go this way. I'd rather.
Speaker 2: I'd rather know no, no hard feelings, no nothing. But
Speaker 2: like what I don't like is that's why I don't
Speaker 2: do that That's why I don't like when people were like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, man, and then so give an example. I
Speaker 2: come up to you, hey man, I got such and
Speaker 2: such investment blah blah blah, and you hear it from somebody,
Speaker 2: and I've always told you like, hey man, I got
Speaker 2: you anything you need if you tell me, and if
Speaker 2: you ask me, and I go like, oh, you know what,
Speaker 2: you gotta wait for the next round. I really don't
Speaker 2: mess with you like that. It makes sense. I really don't.
Speaker 2: If you tell me and go like to hey man,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do this, I got you. That's all
Speaker 2: I gotta say. So this is the straightforward that he has.
Speaker 2: You know, he goes. I remember after the All Star Game.
Speaker 2: It was the point that we went like ballistic after
Speaker 2: the stars goes because he came and he told everybody
Speaker 2: what they were supposed to do. It's simple as that.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if the top dog, you're in the
Speaker 2: middle of the pack, load of pack. It's a wolf pack.
Speaker 2: We're all connected. We're all chasing somebody for miles away.
Speaker 2: We're chasing the championship. It takes, it takes. It gonna
Speaker 2: take days, weeks, months, years. We're chasing something we've all
Speaker 2: being a part of the wolf pack. If we're not
Speaker 2: all accountable saying hey, you gotta do this better, Hey,
Speaker 2: you gotta do this, you cannot function. You just can't.
Speaker 2: That's why you see teams they go and you care
Speaker 2: about teams like hey, man, uh, you see teams having
Speaker 2: a team meeting, which basically you know when they say
Speaker 2: team meeting in the beginning of the season not always
Speaker 2: a good thing.
Speaker 3: Or if they say a player's only meeting happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not a good thing.
Speaker 1: Right, that's how I think that's always a bad thing. Hey,
Speaker 1: they had a player's only meeting after Sunday night's game, Like,
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound good, which just started this season.
Speaker 2: Of what's going on. So that's how you understand that's
Speaker 2: miscommunication and it's everybody doesn't know that, is it?
Speaker 3: Like do you guys know if something gets leaked, who
Speaker 3: it comes from, and does it piss you off?
Speaker 2: A hundred percent? So give an example, like this year
Speaker 2: it was a thing, Yeah, like there was a leak. No, No,
Speaker 2: there wasn't. It wasn't there was a leak. It was
Speaker 2: just the thing that we're the bucks. We're not the
Speaker 2: we're not the big like you guys aren't the Lakers.
Speaker 2: You guys aren't like you guys have never been seen
Speaker 2: as like a messy franchise because we're not, because you're not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but we don't. We go home. Everybody has fun. We
Speaker 2: go home, Wait bossible and go home. Yeah, go home, bossibill.
Speaker 2: So you go home, like, don't we just don't do.
Speaker 3: Some cheese curds. Yeah, out to Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: We just don't do stuff. So now when it comes
Speaker 2: with like the game and locker room and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: that's why it's it's basically bullshit. It's bullshit. Like you
Speaker 2: asked me, like, oh, did you teach Jay? Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go and go into detail like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, because it's it's between brothers. It's between
Speaker 1: what happens. Says the exactly.
Speaker 2: Now, at some point, if it's an old story or
Speaker 2: something that happened and get out there public. You already
Speaker 2: knew about it's public. It's not me to say it first.
Speaker 2: But there is a code to it. There is a code. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you and and sometimes people forget about this. You don't
Speaker 2: when they forget when they retire and they and they
Speaker 2: go to TV, or they start no, it's no. People
Speaker 2: forget about this. People forget how how uh A spouse,
Speaker 2: a significant other, a sister, a mother are.
Speaker 3: Affected by what they see on TV.
Speaker 2: They know I don't want it. I know I don't
Speaker 2: want it because I play this, and I know that
Speaker 2: the next day I'm gonna go and and now I'm
Speaker 2: gonna play great. I'm gonna stay with my family. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get them up. Yeah, there's certain guys you'll always
Speaker 2: see saying shit where you're like, and then you hear
Speaker 2: other players talk like, bro, you're an ex player, Like
Speaker 2: why would you violate like that? Like it's a it's
Speaker 2: a it's a cold that I think people forget once
Speaker 2: they stop playing, right, which they shouldn't because.
Speaker 1: Well, because they're also they also are trying. They want
Speaker 1: to get ahead and their new career, and in order
Speaker 1: to get ahead in their new career, you got to
Speaker 1: kind of unfortunately, like as we've seen over the years,
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I wouldn'tay.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say messy because I respect Steven
Speaker 1: A and Skip Bayless. But the more you know outlandist
Speaker 1: you are on TV, you want to make headlines, it
Speaker 1: usually equals success but JJ Redi's done a good job
Speaker 1: of kind.
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, he kind of holds it. Now, let me
Speaker 2: let me give you another fact about this. It's not
Speaker 2: about the what you say. You might have an opinion,
Speaker 2: you're telling about how you say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said about Shaq, When Shaq talks shit,
Speaker 1: you know, it's because he's disappointed and he thinks you
Speaker 1: could be a great big man exactly.
Speaker 3: It's coming from a good place.
Speaker 2: Yes, he doesn't have a beag. This my opinion. Now
Speaker 2: I might be wrong. Yeah, but I'm sincere. I might
Speaker 2: be sincerely wrong. Say, but like he doesn't, I don't
Speaker 2: think he has a beef whit, I don't you know.
Speaker 1: I think he's come out and apologize for some of
Speaker 1: the things he said. Yeah, I think that was the
Speaker 1: only guy you could probably point to and say yeah,
Speaker 1: but he even said I just wanted him to be great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he has a beefoo ruty either way.
Speaker 2: But but I think that that's the only guys he
Speaker 2: he calls. He no, he feels comfortable talking because he's
Speaker 2: a big man. For sure. He can't like as a
Speaker 2: big man. Let me give AIX album. I'm playing the
Speaker 2: two or three. I can't be talking about a seven footer.
Speaker 1: I would want Shack to get me, like real, Shack
Speaker 1: is the most dominant big man ever. So like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm listening, what did Jack say about I mean, let
Speaker 1: me hear because I want to hear it. Yeah, is
Speaker 1: this a samurai tattoo on your arm?
Speaker 2: It's my dad.
Speaker 1: That's your dad as a samurai. You ever played a
Speaker 1: game on PlayStation The Ghosts of.
Speaker 2: I know what you do, shaid fire. I just started playing.
Speaker 2: It's so good. I played it. I plated, I like,
Speaker 2: but I played it in like PS like PS four. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, going back to the hole and be
Speaker 2: a thing they just forget. You see it with Gil
Speaker 2: So look what happened, Like I stopped when we stopped,
Speaker 2: now I went back and I started like going on
Speaker 2: socials and see like, hey, you know the podcast because
Speaker 2: I'm trying to really go my podcast in the right
Speaker 2: way and feel like, okay, who you know people talk
Speaker 2: to and you see what gilbis. He's done. Incredible job
Speaker 2: that he came in. But sometimes, like I remember it
Speaker 2: was a situation with this kid from Houston. Bro, you
Speaker 2: said some stuff like Bro, you can't say this. You
Speaker 2: can talk about basketball and stuff. How do you think,
Speaker 2: Like this is archive, bro, people, it's there forever, He's
Speaker 2: there forever. You might go back and yeah, for sure,
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, this guy said this
Speaker 2: about my dad, Like no, because it.
Speaker 1: Was about Jalen Green, right, yes, I'm like, who's a
Speaker 1: literal kid?
Speaker 2: Yes, and he's a good like he looks like a
Speaker 2: great player and he plays great. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm
Speaker 2: in my head, I'm like, that's the one thing that sucks.
Speaker 1: Is when you're like, you know, obviously you know with
Speaker 1: his personal situation, everyone's going to talk about it.
Speaker 3: And then from there, like you said, he's got a
Speaker 3: kid that's.
Speaker 2: Going to be born obviously on the way, How did
Speaker 2: you Guilbert knows exactly what he's doing? He knows because
Speaker 2: I'll think why why I say he knows because he's
Speaker 2: very knowligible when it comes to basketball.
Speaker 3: He split the game and he's smart pop culturally, like
Speaker 3: he's like a sharp dude.
Speaker 2: So you can't, yeah, you can't or say stuff on now.
Speaker 3: I remember when he said that, I was like, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, like, oh, that's not cool.
Speaker 1: That's a code that I because you know, whether people
Speaker 1: want to. You know, in the NBA, there's certain you know,
Speaker 1: you might end up with someone who might have dated
Speaker 1: somebody else in the league.
Speaker 2: That happens. So you're acting like people don't have a
Speaker 2: type of course this girl might have it. But I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying like, but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, that's part of the code of the league.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm cooling up with enough guys and like
Speaker 1: I understand, like this is shutin shit you just don't
Speaker 1: talk about.
Speaker 2: Like it's not only though you don't talk about it's
Speaker 2: autoly mets. You don't go even go close to your
Speaker 2: get involved, Like yes, it's like yeah, but that's the
Speaker 2: only thing when it comes to that. That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Everything else is entertainment. I can see everything else like talk.
Speaker 1: I have a great idea for an episode you and
Speaker 1: your honest Brooke and Robin.
Speaker 2: I want to I'll make that heaven. I want to
Speaker 2: make that sounds like.
Speaker 3: The two like all four of y'all, just because them
Speaker 3: dudes are hilarious.
Speaker 2: For you don't even imagine how hilarious this is. He
Speaker 2: goes on my podcast and we're talking and he goes
Speaker 2: like about the amount of like fist bumps in the NBA.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? It's like and then I
Speaker 2: started to notice, like.
Speaker 6: We do fist bump a lot lots of fist bumps. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he goes like, you know, I'm reading my book. Somebody
Speaker 6: goes by fist bump. So it goes by like I've
Speaker 6: gotten fifty fist bumps. Yeah, you guys, but like I'm out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's he's he's held Rob and Brookman the same.
Speaker 2: Like the way he talks to the rebuttal, Yeah, that
Speaker 2: is not the right world, rebuttal. He has to like
Speaker 2: towards the refs or somebody like it's crazy and you
Speaker 2: know Stanford athlete, you know, super super, both of them, Yeah,
Speaker 2: both of them.
Speaker 3: That'd be a good episode.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 1: Uh. I look forward to your guys's bounce back next
Speaker 1: season because I know it's going to be glorious. First
Speaker 1: full season under Doc will be dope. If you had
Speaker 1: to put your GM hat on without before you go,
Speaker 1: because you said you do seminars about yeah stuff, fix
Speaker 1: the Phoenix suns for me. Wow, you've already hired, You've
Speaker 1: hired your coach. Okay, so you got your guy, Bud
Speaker 1: which we're very excited about.
Speaker 2: Yes, we have.
Speaker 3: We're second Apron team. It's terrible that.
Speaker 2: I feel I feel like I'm giving huel to like
Speaker 2: a great team already. I feel like I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: out a game plan second Apron team.
Speaker 3: There's not much we can do.
Speaker 2: Okay, we don't have a lot of flexibility.
Speaker 1: We own the twenty two number, twenty two pick, and
Speaker 1: we own our twenty twenty eight draft pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah or is it thirty one? No, the thirty one
Speaker 2: draft pick. So you're in a tough situation. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're in a tough situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brad Brad Beil's got a no trade coss so
Speaker 1: he's he's he's not who does no trade class?
Speaker 2: Okay, good for him? Yeah, oh no, no, said I
Speaker 2: always have looking for the player.
Speaker 3: Just let you know, always forget always no drinking, all,
Speaker 3: get every red set.
Speaker 2: Everything you get like I'm yes, I'm the guy. Okay,
Speaker 2: So let's go to the team. Did a great coach
Speaker 2: that was the beginning head a snake, great coach. Now
Speaker 2: culture just.
Speaker 1: Paid your boy, Grayson Allen. Yeah, led the league in
Speaker 1: three point shooting, Yes, sir, and and the nightflul So
Speaker 1: you paid him, deserves it under honestly got to steal
Speaker 1: in my opinion, based on his productions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, issu did uh? You Sean Grayson by the.
Speaker 3: Way, shout out to him road Dick kicks this season.
Speaker 2: No, No, he does it.
Speaker 3: When we got Grayson Allen, I was like, God, he
Speaker 3: does it.
Speaker 2: He just plays hard and he's like he goes to
Speaker 2: the ball and he extends. But he right. But zero
Speaker 2: for the Sons, which I appreciate. Yeah, but okay, okay,
Speaker 2: So as a team, you go and you get a
Speaker 2: point guard.
Speaker 3: We don't have a Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh. The way you get a point guard is
Speaker 2: that you can't Actually he goes. I'll tell you why
Speaker 2: you can't because of the you have a selite guy.
Speaker 2: We don't about three players that make week. We have
Speaker 2: to sign someone on a veteran minimum. That's what do
Speaker 2: you sign? Maybe campaign, Yes, you signed him on a
Speaker 2: hot to beat. I signed kind of pay campaign.
Speaker 1: Maybe we draft Brownie Junior and then try to convince
Speaker 1: Lebron James to join the Suns.
Speaker 2: You can't do that as well, you can't. But but
Speaker 2: the thing is, we have the twenty second pick. We
Speaker 2: can draft him.
Speaker 1: You can't draft him at twenty two? Now is he
Speaker 1: probably a second rounder or an undrafted guy?
Speaker 3: You think it's a first round.
Speaker 2: You know what division? I say, he's a fence out there,
Speaker 2: trust me from the how many okay, well, how many
Speaker 2: friends round to played last year for us in the NBA? Oh,
Speaker 2: give me, give me my number. Fifteen? Maybe less, they're
Speaker 2: like played real minutes. Yeah, probably fifteen, maybe less? Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe's maybe less exactly less. Point So if you if
Speaker 2: you go with that, and you go with the overseas
Speaker 2: guys coming in the tower, the entire of the world
Speaker 2: coming in you really it's okay if you already have KD.
Speaker 2: Badley Beal and Devin Booker, Like, it's not like you're
Speaker 2: looking for the next victim when you already have like
Speaker 2: the space, Like, I don't know how you want to
Speaker 2: call them, Okay, you know, okay, you don't call them.
Speaker 2: You can't call them the you can't call them a
Speaker 2: super thiing, I don't want to call them super.
Speaker 1: Simpers over there, but definitely as inaccurate, inaccurate. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go we got swept in the first round.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no no, that's team wise,
Speaker 2: we're talking about the individuals.
Speaker 3: Like we got Katie, we got Katie and Book.
Speaker 2: No, you got Katie Book and Brandley Bill. Now what
Speaker 2: do you call them? Even nice I used to Okay,
Speaker 2: you don't call them sing, but you call them the
Speaker 2: guardians of the galaxy. You definitely call them.
Speaker 1: We're not the Avengers with the garden, but we might
Speaker 1: be the guardians of the galaxy. Yeah, sure, star Lord
Speaker 1: is Book. I think Drax is Katie and then no, no,
Speaker 1: I think kt KT. Yeah you're right, Katie's Bradley Bilis
Speaker 1: and Drags and Bradley Bill's Rock and Raccoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the other. But example like, they ain't bad.
Speaker 2: They get the job done, they get the drop done.
Speaker 2: Not only bad, they are stars in what they do.
Speaker 2: So now coming back to how to fix the team,
Speaker 2: it's just you in tough pick You guys have to
Speaker 2: say tough pickle, predicament pickle. We're in a pickle. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's the We have limited more and more yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: limited options. So now you gotta swoop, sit back and
Speaker 2: decide what's gonna happen. We gotta pray you go, no, no,
Speaker 2: you go one more year, two more years, three, more years, right,
Speaker 2: and then you figure out when it's the last rodeo. Well,
Speaker 2: it's like and then and then you go like, okay,
Speaker 2: now I when a point god, and then you pay them,
Speaker 2: pay them. But I think, like you know, going to
Speaker 2: how do you build the team? And the Phoenix, the
Speaker 2: Phoinxunds already have a great team. The only thing is
Speaker 2: that will buy by the injuries. You're the only team
Speaker 2: to actually beat the defferent Nugget. I don't know, people
Speaker 2: don't even say this, but the only team that was
Speaker 2: munching up well with the Devon Nuggets whole year.
Speaker 1: I was actually hoping to get them smile early. No,
Speaker 1: you're right, You're right. We we we match up great
Speaker 1: against them.
Speaker 3: I'll say this.
Speaker 1: I'm very enthusiastic about our coach higher And like you said,
Speaker 1: you know, no matter what, if you have Jannie on
Speaker 1: a team, and obviously you guys have Giannis and Dame,
Speaker 1: But no matter what, if you just have Giannis, you.
Speaker 3: Always don't have a chance to win a ring.
Speaker 2: Yeah you have.
Speaker 3: You always have a chance to be one of the
Speaker 3: final teams.
Speaker 1: We have Kevin Durant, Kevin Booker, and Bradley Beal a
Speaker 1: lot of other ship has to go right, but a
Speaker 1: lot of shit has to go right for everybody else too,
Speaker 1: So at least I'm confident.
Speaker 2: We're you know. And to add to that, and our
Speaker 2: owner is very you know, he's he's ready to make
Speaker 2: a move too.
Speaker 3: He also thinks it's NBA two K. God bless him.
Speaker 3: He's running the team like it's two K.
Speaker 2: He's just trade like making trades like it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like like, yes, but it's a copycat
Speaker 2: league right when I say.
Speaker 1: He's just copycat and ship that worked like eight years ago, no,
Speaker 1: like the Big three thing. By the way, I know
Speaker 1: your brother was a part in my opinion that you
Speaker 1: both your brothers, but your your your younger brother, that
Speaker 1: that Laker ring was the first ring that said the
Speaker 1: super team isn't necessary. And then you guys carried that
Speaker 1: tradition on because I was hating the super team era
Speaker 1: of the NBA. So thank you, guys for you've stomped it.
Speaker 1: You could have stomped out the dreams of super teams
Speaker 1: when you guys beat the nets.
Speaker 2: To be fair, that's what I told you thirty for
Speaker 2: thirty some point.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe no, that's a thirty for thirty. You buying
Speaker 3: the tickets is a thirty for thirty.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, but uh again, this copy cut? You see?
Speaker 2: You see what we did? Yeah? Like you think I'll
Speaker 2: give an example. Why do you know? Copy cut league
Speaker 2: guys like Jay, Guys like me. Forget about Jay just
Speaker 2: being here for a minute. Guys like me. I guarantee
Speaker 2: you at least not even a joke that when it
Speaker 2: comes to culture, locker room and winning, I've been fighting
Speaker 2: spot than anything from the from the fifteen man to
Speaker 2: the fourteen man of thirteen guy told got and I'll
Speaker 2: tell you why, because I'm a winner, and because teams copycut.
Speaker 2: Give an example, when we fired Bud, what happened? What happened?
Speaker 2: Phoenix fired Monty? You're right? And they and then and
Speaker 2: then who else fired their coach? The sixer, the Lakers?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all three of those guys had worked, were
Speaker 1: very successful.
Speaker 2: Very successful.
Speaker 3: Two of the three won the right league.
Speaker 2: They sold the bucks and then went like, damn, they
Speaker 2: made a move. Maybe we ain't making a move. So
Speaker 2: you got a stand. It's a it's a league that
Speaker 2: copies winning and having that. That's why I told you,
Speaker 2: Like everybody I'll give an example. Think about look about
Speaker 2: coaching Tree. Right, we had Bud and then him was
Speaker 2: lead assistant down your Ham coach with the Lakers, lead
Speaker 2: a system. Charles Lee, he's with the Celtics. He just
Speaker 2: signed with Charlotte Hornets. Lead assistant Tayler Jenkins, Memphis Greasies
Speaker 2: leader sisters was with him, Quick Snyder. Uh bro. It
Speaker 2: doesn't stock crazy Tree because because it's winning well, people
Speaker 2: call home and go like, hey, we want you to
Speaker 2: t because we know how to get this done and
Speaker 2: what you guys did to replicate it and it's real something.
Speaker 2: That's what What do you think Jay will never not
Speaker 2: have a job. What do you think because they winners
Speaker 2: and they know like okay.
Speaker 1: And they bring something that is outside of basketball, that
Speaker 1: is tangible, outside of.
Speaker 2: What happens on the court. Thank you.
Speaker 3: It's about thank you. It's about the locker room too,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 1: That's you need a guy to be able to talk
Speaker 1: to every You need a guy that is going to
Speaker 1: bring the right energy. The young guys are gonna respect that,
Speaker 1: the old guys are going to respect man.
Speaker 2: And he's done it and he doesn't say he's not.
Speaker 2: He's not telling you like, yeah, in order to win
Speaker 2: the championship, you gotta no no, no, no no no,
Speaker 2: out of BENI runs that ended early and out of
Speaker 2: been in runs that were last thing standing. I know
Speaker 2: exactly what's going on and exactly how they're going to
Speaker 2: referee to you in game seven at game four? What
Speaker 2: whan I go? This is the refereeing is a is
Speaker 2: a minor thing. I'm talking about like teams. You how
Speaker 2: you're gonna play teams that what you're gonna do. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously you don't have success all the time or like that.
Speaker 2: But that's why Lebron gam is going to be considered,
Speaker 2: if not the goal closer to go to Michael Jordan
Speaker 2: because he's the one the most mining when the spelling
Speaker 2: in and nobody's done what he's done in the year
Speaker 2: year twenty and it's not even not even it's not
Speaker 2: even a discussion. That's what I'm trying to What do
Speaker 2: you think? What do you think Detroit gave Monty the
Speaker 2: biggest contract ever to try to change the culture exactly
Speaker 2: because he did the same thing. So that's why that's
Speaker 2: why I tell guys they keep saying like, oh my
Speaker 2: got this guy's in leg or that guy or this
Speaker 2: coach and keeps getting the job of that guy. The guys.
Speaker 2: Once you come into the fold and you understand how
Speaker 2: hot this is, and you want people who's done it
Speaker 2: and did it again? What do you think the Bucks
Speaker 2: went and got Doc.
Speaker 3: Right because they know, well he at least you have
Speaker 3: somebody who's done it before.
Speaker 2: Who who But think about this who excelled with Doc?
Speaker 2: When when that coming came in, Griffin, you know which
Speaker 2: player went crazy with the Bucks when Doc just came in, Oh,
Speaker 2: you can tell me. Bobby Porters got it? He he
Speaker 2: he said, you know what I got you? This is
Speaker 2: the place we used to run. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Bobby Porters became this guy who's and by the way,
Speaker 2: he should have once explained six Men of the Year.
Speaker 2: But you know, I understand it's how the leg goes.
Speaker 2: But he was a jas because they kind of.
Speaker 1: Like not because man had a few of them games
Speaker 1: where you were like, should he be starting? Like all
Speaker 1: due respect the cat, but there was a few of
Speaker 1: those games where he was you know, in the fourth
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 2: He was, he was up there. I mean, he doesn't
Speaker 2: need to play there. He got handled.
Speaker 1: You mentioned refereeing a little bit, like I remember what's
Speaker 1: you know, what's the name of the referee that Chris
Speaker 1: Paul hates, Scott Foster, So the Scott Foster CCP thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember when like during the finals, like there was
Speaker 1: a couple of games where as Suns fans Scott Foster
Speaker 1: was on him, They're like, the fuck is that like
Speaker 1: a thing where like refs so have actual chips on
Speaker 1: their shoulders.
Speaker 2: So I think people are over exaggerating about the reps sometimes.
Speaker 1: And are you guys do you guys, are you guys
Speaker 1: aware of that, like, oh, we got Scott Foster tonight.
Speaker 3: Man, he's gonna he's gonna call christ.
Speaker 2: It depends, you know, some certain times you'll be like, okay,
Speaker 2: but it's not because of the referee. This is this
Speaker 2: is this is the thing that miscommunication. People have, the
Speaker 2: misconception I'm sorry people have. It's not about because of
Speaker 2: who is refeitting. Is of the style of refereeing. M
Speaker 2: that makes some guy some guy, let's let go. Other
Speaker 2: guys are very ticky tacky with the whistle and you'll
Speaker 2: know that. But you know, no, it's like scouting, you
Speaker 2: scout players. Just no.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying you'll, if you pay attention, you'll know
Speaker 1: this who we got tonight. We can't get away with
Speaker 1: a lot of ship tonight or this got tonight. We
Speaker 1: could play aggressive tonight.
Speaker 2: Yes, but but then and then sends from that too.
Speaker 2: Teams team start to play when you were physical. The
Speaker 2: reason we beat you, guys, was because we we had
Speaker 2: no answer for you know, because we're a team from
Speaker 2: the East bro we go through the goncelet We played
Speaker 2: very physical. We're a physical team, like who was going
Speaker 2: to grab you? Was gonna push you? What was gonna
Speaker 2: pulse you?
Speaker 1: And we had nobody on our bench that listen, our
Speaker 1: bench was in the big man's side of things.
Speaker 2: There was a lot to be.
Speaker 1: Desired for when aidon because you look, look, I got
Speaker 1: to give credit DeAndre and because he had an amazing
Speaker 1: run during the playoffs, during that that whole run.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm tough on Ayden, but I mean, by
Speaker 2: the way, you shouldn't be. This kid is like top
Speaker 2: He's amazing. No, no, no, I mean I mean, I listen,
Speaker 2: I'm from like a fan perspective.
Speaker 1: You know, I wish you dunked a little more, but
Speaker 1: like I feel like that playoff run, like we wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been there with out him, and you know without
Speaker 1: oh cp man and I think that, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: when we hit the buzzsaw of Giannis, it was just
Speaker 1: what are you supposed to do? Because you would always
Speaker 1: hear people say you got to build.
Speaker 2: A wall on the paint when you play. Honest, we
Speaker 2: were finished.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying like that was during that season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was supposed to go the wall on the paint, right,
Speaker 1: And so for us it was like once Deandre's out,
Speaker 1: what who's supposed to Who was who was our backup
Speaker 1: center that year?
Speaker 2: Cominsky?
Speaker 1: Oh, no, it was Frank commenced, No, but it was no.
Speaker 1: But it was Kaminsky that was going against Yannis. No,
Speaker 1: I know Daria was, but Kamensky he was dog food
Speaker 1: to your brother.
Speaker 2: It was bad bro.
Speaker 1: And I love Frank Wisconsin great, He's a badger. Shot
Speaker 1: to him, a fucking great guy. Loved Frank Kaminski.
Speaker 3: But what are we talking about? Okay, it's Yannis but
Speaker 3: guarded by Frank Kaminski.
Speaker 2: But they think the miscas Simpson that it wasn't just John,
Speaker 2: It was all all of us.
Speaker 1: No, I know it was, but man, like you said
Speaker 1: that Game six, everybody was off except one guy.
Speaker 2: You know, how do you defend that? You just can't.
Speaker 2: You just can't. So the thing also our game plan and.
Speaker 3: Like we were like, oh, he's coming off a injury.
Speaker 2: We got this. It didn't matter. He didn't matter because
Speaker 2: that man was that his motor bros. Was different. But
Speaker 2: like our game plan apart from Yon was hey, Tuck
Speaker 2: was PJ. Right, PJ, You're gonna go on every board,
Speaker 2: every rebound, and who was guarding him? CP, You're gonna
Speaker 2: crash on ship every time you see him, crash him
Speaker 2: every time you see him, beat him up a little
Speaker 2: him or the book. You remember how many times the
Speaker 2: book the book almost filed that one time they didn't
Speaker 2: even call it. The folowed up. Remember, Yeah, So our
Speaker 2: game plan was not just Young then it was Drew Holliday.
Speaker 2: When outter the two oh said Jew, he was like,
Speaker 2: I got you. He picked him up full court. Yep.
Speaker 1: Drew Holliday is one of the most underrated players of
Speaker 1: all time and quite possibly, I mean, if not the greatest,
Speaker 1: a top five guard defender ever. Like you got to
Speaker 1: think about him, Gary Payton, I mean, I'm told really
Speaker 1: and then you know, shout out to Kyrie and Luca
Speaker 1: got to deal with him and Derek White. Derek White
Speaker 1: is a fucking monster. And then Jalen Brown's great on defense.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, they had they had a nice game.
Speaker 1: Are you worried about having to deal with the Celtics
Speaker 1: for the next few years because it seems like they
Speaker 1: figured out something there. I guess I think just like
Speaker 1: one through seven, one through eight, it seems to be
Speaker 1: like they gotta they got they I mean they like
Speaker 1: like Jason Tatum could have.
Speaker 2: They have Charles Lee assistant coach, and they got they
Speaker 2: got Derek White, don't know, don't get me, got JB
Speaker 2: mm hmm, they got Jason Tatum and they got those
Speaker 2: guys now and borzingis if he's he if he's healthy.
Speaker 2: So now again you don't call them a super team.
Speaker 2: It's close, but it is close enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you think about it, Holiday all Star, Yes,
Speaker 1: JB and Tatum all stars, Porzingis All Star. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: got four All Stars and they're starting.
Speaker 2: For you exactly.
Speaker 3: But Derek White could be six Man of the Year.
Speaker 2: Could you be my favorite? When when when you when
Speaker 2: you go uh? And now the Horford experience, and Horford's
Speaker 2: wanted it experience, and and he always will just come
Speaker 2: and hit a three when you're like, fucking Horford's got range,
Speaker 2: I forgot. Yeah, he got that old man range. Do
Speaker 2: the two wins away? They're two wins away. My thing
Speaker 2: is one zero, it's three zero. Want to win away
Speaker 2: to win the champ Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But to say like, but you guys are gonna that,
Speaker 1: it's it's you guys got to go up against them
Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is what it is. I think the most
Speaker 2: of the most different part of this. We're worried about
Speaker 2: us clicking. We played them in the season. I think
Speaker 2: one of them wasn't playing one of the games, and
Speaker 2: the other games that wasn't playing. But like, you guys
Speaker 2: got to get your chemistry right, No, there's not the
Speaker 2: chemistry we've done. We've done with that. That's over now.
Speaker 2: Now it's Bill don't do stuff. We have, Yeah, we
Speaker 2: have and now like we played that, I think we
Speaker 2: played them twice, Jay, we played them twice to day
Speaker 2: this year. We played four times in Boston. But how
Speaker 2: much they beat us by? Five? Right? Four or five?
Speaker 2: And then oh no, two games to both games were
Speaker 2: by four or five, and then we beat them at home.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, one game we beat them by a lot octually, No,
Speaker 2: two games beat them by a lot. Why do I
Speaker 2: say that? But what what? What? The play I want
Speaker 2: to make is sometimes about my steps as well. I mean,
Speaker 2: you might have a great nobody's gonna guard you.
Speaker 1: Honest, that's real, that's real. Well listen, man, I appreciate
Speaker 1: you pulling on go your podcast. You haven't put an
Speaker 1: episode on a while?
Speaker 2: No, I'm no, I've done some episodes. I just don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't put the mote them like that. I'll
Speaker 2: let them naturally, got it. But it's weekly every Wednesday night,
Speaker 2: Thursday morning, Wednesday Thursday morning. Yes, and I just show
Speaker 2: tap in, tune in. It's fun, nice stories. How obviously
Speaker 2: I know you're out here. Rehappened? How's your injury? Good
Speaker 2: can complain? Man? You know, I uh, it's one of
Speaker 2: those things I gotta go through. You know, Yeah, injuries happen.
Speaker 2: It happens. But the thing is what I'm gonna you know,
Speaker 2: how how do I go about it? Well?
Speaker 1: Listen, I appreciate your time, bro, Like I said, anybody
Speaker 1: like honestly, bro, like I watched your Guys documentary on Prime.
Speaker 1: Like I said, man, I got teared up. That ship
Speaker 1: was so inspiring to see everything you guys you went
Speaker 1: through to get here. So salute and thank you for
Speaker 1: being like a you know, inspiration for everybody.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm sure your inspiration for a whole damn country right
Speaker 1: now too, So salute man.
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you for having me, Yes, sir, I have
Speaker 2: the fun with the conversation too, man, Yeah, and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Aw my pod too, of course.
Speaker 3: And then you know, uh shout to coach bud Man.
Speaker 2: You know, I just had to get some get them
Speaker 2: right in Phoenix. Man, you guys are gonna love him.
Speaker 2: You know he's he's he's azy boy too. He's from
Speaker 2: you know, shouts a coach. But it's good.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you, man, Thank you, yes, sir. Fire