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Speaker 1: I never told you a prediction of iHeart Radio, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to another classic. We are bringing back a favor

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Speaker 1: of mine about Mary Anning and fossils. Yes, because perhaps

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Speaker 1: because of this episode, I get a lot of updates

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Speaker 1: about when new fossils are found, and there's actually been

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Speaker 1: some interesting recent developments. So I love that this is

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Speaker 1: still something where we're getting new information. There's also been

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Speaker 1: some recent discovery of new species. That's cool.

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Speaker 2: People.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's like oh new people.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so they found a young girl fossils. Oh my,

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Speaker 3: I think she was like fourteen.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so the work is ongoing. The work is ongoing,

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Speaker 4: and I'm really interested in it, and this was a

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Speaker 4: fun one that to research, So please enjoy this classic episode.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and what come of stuff?

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Speaker 1: I never told you a production of iHeartRadio. And today

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited because we're going to be talking about dinosaurs.

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Speaker 2: A little bit, dinosaurs, Dina Salles.

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Speaker 1: And palegontology because, as I mentioned, it is the it's

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, so i'd be the thirtieth an of

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Speaker 1: her of Jurassic Park, which I loved as a kid,

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Speaker 1: Which is funny because you went on the Daily Zeitgeist

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Speaker 3: Yes, because it's one of the host's favorite movie as well.

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Speaker 3: But he gets real serious. Yeah, so what we discovered.

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Speaker 3: I really liked the movie too. I still have the

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Speaker 3: story about the fact that, yes, I played first chair

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Speaker 3: trombone to this in the band, and I had an

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Speaker 3: amazing solo.

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Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, we played it in ban two. I did

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Speaker 1: you want after me on that one? That's all right?

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Speaker 2: Trombone?

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Speaker 1: It gets it, does it?

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Speaker 3: I mean if you listen like between like it's all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, that's brief. So yeah, essentially yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a beautiful song. Oh, beautiful score.

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Speaker 3: It's very memorable. I think everyone played it. I think

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Speaker 1: I think so so. I did love that movie. I

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Speaker 1: getting in trouble is that I snuck in to see

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Speaker 2: Four How did you win theater by your.

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Speaker 1: It was walkable? Walkable?

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Speaker 2: Did you run away? Questions?

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Speaker 1: What it was? This is you know? No, I just walked.

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Speaker 1: Nobody. Well, that was the issue I got in troublesome.

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Speaker 1: I snuck away. Wow. I had to fess up when

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Speaker 1: I was so scared and like, what did you dream about?

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Speaker 3: Who are you into this movie? I am so how

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Speaker 3: Like when you told me you were snuck into a movie,

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Speaker 1: But that was also when movie tickets cost like two

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Speaker 2: That's when we played the music.

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Speaker 3: I just which I shouldn't because I am significantly elser

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Speaker 1: saying he's seeing that with his daughter too, Like what

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Speaker 1: you're afraid of changes as you get older.

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Speaker 3: I'm like never doing this again.

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Speaker 3: There's would be real bad around dinosaurs in real life,

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Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't either. No, there is a new ride

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Speaker 1: Fun. It's so fun, isn't it. Yes? But my family

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Speaker 1: how much I loved Jurassic Park.

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Speaker 1: So I was a very big fan. I read the books.

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Speaker 1: The books are very different, and I saw an argument recently.

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Speaker 1: There is a really great after Jurassic World came out

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Speaker 1: previous Women in Science episodes. We just reran Women in Archaeology,

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Speaker 1: of Us which I Love, Women in Shark Science, which

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Speaker 1: we've also mentioned recently. A lot of the themes are

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Speaker 1: going to start with a woman named Mary Anning. So

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Speaker 1: what's going on at large today. So Mary Anning was

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Speaker 1: including the twenty twenty fictionalized lesbian romance Ammonite which I

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Speaker 1: Throughout all of this, she continued to sell fossils, helping

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Speaker 3: The extraordinary thing in this young woman is that she

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Speaker 1: Dayla Bash broke the society's members only rule to read

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Speaker 1: we have comes from the anthropologists Katherine Clancy and colleagues,

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Speaker 1: who in twenty fourteen reported that in a survey of

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Speaker 1: six hundred and sixty six field scientists across disciplines, sixty

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Speaker 1: four percent said they had faced some form of sexual

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Speaker 1: harassment in the field, and over twenty percent had been

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Speaker 1: sexually assaulted. The pattern was clear. Victims were of lower

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Speaker 1: professional rank than their harassers, many of whom felt that

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Speaker 1: they were in no position to report their abusers. Women

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Speaker 1: trainees were the primary targets of abuse the researchers found,

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Speaker 1: while their perpetrators were predominantly senior to them professionally within

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Speaker 1: which is what we talked about in our Shark Science episode, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Women in Shark Science. And here's another quote from that

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Speaker 1: article about tropes. The public image of paleontologists as Indiana

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Speaker 1: Jones type characters doesn't help any. Through decades of science popularization,

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Speaker 1: were left with the image of a paleontologist as a

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Speaker 1: scruffy white man and a cowboy hat. Paleontologists such as

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Speaker 1: Jack Horner and Bob Becker have even served as the

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Speaker 1: inspiration for characters in Jurassic Park movies, standing in as

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Speaker 1: stereotypical paleo's who represent the entire field in the minds

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Speaker 1: of the public. Just funny because I always think of Elly,

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Speaker 1: but point is correct. But yes, documentaries on dinosaurs also

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Speaker 1: have been called out for featuring zero women, zero people

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Speaker 1: of color. We talked about that again in that Shark

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Speaker 1: Science episode about Shark Week. So in light of that,

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Speaker 1: there are some women's specific conferences. There are conferences for

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Speaker 1: people of color specifically LGBTQ plus conferences in this field

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Speaker 1: where it's more about finding camaraderie, community and working to

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Speaker 1: build like organizations where they can get more people in

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Speaker 1: this field and we can talk about these issues. So

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Speaker 1: that's good to see. It is unfortunate that this is

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Speaker 1: where we are in twenty twenty three, but it is

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Speaker 1: good to see. And I would love if listeners, if

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Speaker 1: any thoughts on this. I know we have some people

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Speaker 1: who work it's not the same thing, but who work

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Speaker 1: in museums or curating in one way or the other,

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Speaker 1: so that would be cool. Just let us know. You

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