WEBVTT - Draft Show: Better Know A QB 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.679 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:11.240 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. He's the Dallas 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:16.560 Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for incenter 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.119 news and trapped analysis from deep within the confines of 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:27.400 Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco. And now your 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:34.720 hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, and David Hellman. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:42.199 Somebody is always gonna think your trash worse from Liberty 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.400 quarterback Malik Willis, that is that is what is on 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.080 my mind here day two of the NFL Combine, Day 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.479 two of the Draft Show. Welcome in, everybody. I am 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.639 Dave Hellman, your host. I am joined once again by 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:59.000 Kyle Yeoman's and the incomparable Dane Brugler from the Athletic 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:03.840 Fellow Us. You're not trash, somebody thinks I am. Though 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.440 that's the beauty of it. Somewhere there's always somebody out there. 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:09.600 No one at this table thinks that. I appreciate that. 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:11.640 I agree with that. Somebody at home listening to this 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:16.640 is like, you know what, Dave, You're right, absolutely, Tad 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:21.880 oh oh Man. You don't have to jump right in don't. 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.200 Don't look at that. But yeah, see, but nobody thinks 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.440 about day that way. There's no way. Yeah, there's there's 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.600 some there's somebody. There's plenty for me, I know that. 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.760 But somebody back at Mount Union is just like that 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.920 Brugler guy. Yeah, oh yeah, for sure we will name names. 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.840 They exist. That got way off the rails, way faster 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.080 than I meant to. But so two thoughts. All right, 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.440 we're once again here. I mean, you don't need me 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.120 to set the stage, but I will. We're at the 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:53.040 Indianapolis Convention Center again. The combine is slowly but surely 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:57.360 sort of cranking into life. That's the frustration of this 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.400 is like, as the combine has become a bigger and 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.400 bigger deal, they've actually pushed the workouts into the weekend 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.600 and as a result, we're here just we're just desperate 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:11.000 to see some sort of anything on field activity. In 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.160 lieu of that, we did we did start to talk 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.520 to prospects today. The wide receivers talk to the media, 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.880 the quarterbacks talk to the media. Malik Willis with my 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.040 favorite quote of the year to this point. I think 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.680 it's very wise from a guy that is going to 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.639 have his game picked apart for the next three months 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.240 until he's finally drafted. I guess two months at this point. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.880 But yeah, so as we sort of sit here and 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.680 wait for more action to develop, what do you make 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.640 of of what we saw today? And we can start 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.920 with the quarterbacks if y'all want to. Again, the most 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.960 enigmatic class I can remember in a long time. Yeah, 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.279 I don't. I don't know that there was anything groundbreaking 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.480 from these quarterbacks today. You know, Kenny Pickett from Pitt, 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.240 unsurprisingly was the most polished I thought in terms of 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.880 the interviews and commanding the room and that type of thing. 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.840 You know, fifth year senior, he's been around sound, he 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.720 knows the drill, very comfortable with everything. But and that's 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.280 not to say these other quarterbacks weren't. I thought they 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.800 handled themselves. Well. Uh. You know, I give Carson Strong 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.400 a lot of credit for being as upfront as he 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.440 is about the knee things like that. You know, he 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.440 doesn't hide from it, and that's something that I respect 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.160 him for. That now that that could end up affecting 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.680 where he's drafted, but um, you know, I give him 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.280 credit for being you know, very open about it. You know, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.400 Desmond Ritter all these quarterbacks, I thought they did well. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.480 Nothing really stood out to me anything for you. I'm 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.920 kind of along the same lines Carson Strong and the 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.640 way that the knee has kind of been a red 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.600 flag on him throughout this draft process. He's one of 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.720 those guys, depending on who you talk to, is one 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.880 of those mid range quarterbacks that could take a jump 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.560 whether or not he's he's healthy and what the medicals 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.280 end up showing throughout the week here in Indianapolis. And 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.200 like you said, he was upfront. He said it. He said, 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.240 my knee's not gonna fall off. I'm good to go. 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.680 I've been cleared. I'm gonna do all the testing I'm 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.680 gonna go through all of this throughout the week in 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.120 order to show that I am good to go. He 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.920 played without a brace in Mobile during the Senior Bowl. 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.760 He thought that was a big step moving into what 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:14.839 is now the draft process. And he feels like he's 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:16.760 put it out there. And it's funny you mentioned the 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.200 Malik Willis quote about everybody thinks you're trash. He had 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.560 another one that I thought was really funny. Somebody, sorry, 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.800 not everybody. You're right, I'm I'm speaking from my fall 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.320 in love with that young man. I'm starting. Yeah, I 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.200 think he's a great guy, and I have a past 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.479 relationship just from the play by play side of things 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.599 with Malik and I I've liked him from a couple 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.440 of years ago at that point, and uh, he said 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:42.880 another thing later on, somebody asked him if he's the 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.320 top quarterback in the draft. He goes, I certainly think 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.760 I'm the top quarterback in the draft, but I'm not 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.400 the guy's making the decisions, and I hate that for me. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.039 He was. He was very upfright. He's like, I hate 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.240 that for myself, the fact that I'm not the one 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.560 making the decisions. But I think it's a very heady 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.360 quarterback class. And you saw today with the media interviews, 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.359 there's a lot of smarts, a lot of football IQ 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:08.120 amongst this class. It's due the on field traits match 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.159 the IQ. I think you're gonna have a lot of 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.840 smart guys in the class, but maybe they're just not 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.680 the athletic freak shows that you've seen and maybe some 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.880 of the classes of old Dan, You're a perfect person 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:20.799 to ask about this because I think something that jumped 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.279 out to me. Kenny Pickett talked about talking to Peyton 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:28.839 Manning about going back to school obviously paid off tremendously 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.800 for him, acc Player of the Year, Heisman candidate, and 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.800 played his way into the first round of the draft. Yeah. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.400 I'll be very honest, I don't remember that really even 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:44.159 being a conversation, like ironically reminds me of Joe Burrow 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.760 a little bit because it go back to twenty eighteen. 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.160 We were thinking about Joe as like maybe like a 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.839 third round pick or worse, and played his way to 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.039 number one overall. What was your opinion of Kenny Pickett 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.720 before he came back for twenty twenty one. I liked 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.560 him quite a bit. I had a relatively speaking, I 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.600 thought he was, you know, fourth fifth round. I thought 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.120 he was a guy that's gonna be a career backup 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.760 in the league. So I did like him. But to 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.680 see this type of improvement for him as a senior 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.560 and I talked. I spent some time with his offensive coordinator, 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.600 Mark Whipple um during the season to get a better 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.800 sense for Okay, what changed, what's different about Kenny Pickett 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.560 this year? And Mark Whipple who who spend some time 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.479 in the NFL as a quarterback coach, so he's got 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:34.440 some interesting experience there. He basically just boiled it down 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.640 to that you can't put any type of timeline on 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.239 terms of experience, Like just having that extra year gave 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.120 just things started to click for him in terms of 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.120 seeing things quicker, understanding what the defense is trying to do. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.520 I thought the offensive line played much better for Pitt 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:49.920 this year, so he had a little bit of extra 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.400 time to operate from the pocket. I think, you know 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.000 brought up Joe Burrow in the difference that he made 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.440 from his junior year to his senior year. Kenny Pickett 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:01.960 it not is drastic, but similar in terms of the 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:03.840 improvements that he made. You just can't put a price 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.000 on experience and what that means, especially for a quarterback, 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.160 because the more you see, the quicker you can eliminate things, 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.960 the quicker you understand where you need to go with 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.440 the football. And I think with Kenny Pickett, things really 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.680 clicked for him. Now, what's his ceiling as a player, 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.040 That's the big question. I think he has clearly the 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.680 highest floor of any draft or any quarterback in this draft. 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:27.880 But is he the type of guy that can lead 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:29.520 you to the playoffs? Is he the type of guy 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.280 that can lead you to, you know, and beyond Super Bowl. 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:34.840 I don't know. And I just find it very hard 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:38.080 to have any conviction in any of these quarterbacks this 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.200 year in terms of them ever becoming a top fifteen 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.400 quarterback in the NFL. And if you're going to draft 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.840 a quarterback in the first round, you better believe that, 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.520 you know, at some point during his rookie contract he 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.920 will become a top fifteen quarterback in the NFL. And 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:52.880 I just don't know how you could have any confidence 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.520 in these guys and say that. And so if I'm 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.960 the Cowboys, I'm feeling pretty darn good that I've got 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.480 Dak Prescott in my quarterback. This is not the not 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.880 the offseason to need a quarterback, it really is. It's 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.400 a blessing in the guys. We were talking to some 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.120 of the reporters around the league earlier about that as well. 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.480 It's like, oh, this is nice. We're getting to listen 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.720 to the quarterbacks. But we don't necessarily have to scout 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.760 these quarterbacks as much as we would on a normal occasion. 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.040 It's been that way, of course, for quite some time. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.560 But a lot of people would look at Kinney Picket 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.800 and of course he's benefiting from a weaker quarterback class. 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.000 But I'm looking at my list from last year. I 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:28.920 had him as a top ten quarterback before I knew 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.920 he was going to go back to college. So he's 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:33.880 always been at the top of that list. I'm sure 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.880 it's probably been that way. You said you liked him 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.280 before he elected to return as well, So he has 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.839 some of those traits that a starting quarterback in the 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.360 NFL could certainly have. It goes back to what I 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.040 was saying earlier. He's a smart player. He has the confidence, 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.640 he has the experience. Does he have the physical traits 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.800 to match with all of that that can allow him 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.520 to have the top fifteen caliber career by the time 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.680 he's done with the rookie deal. Because I agree with 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.280 Dane and wholeheartedly, I don't see a quarterba back in 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.320 this draft. Maybe with the exception, and if there's two exceptions, 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.880 it would be pick it. It would probably be Malik Willis. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:10.000 That can maybe be in that conversation, but sure, that's fine. 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.160 I would throw him maybe on the edge there. I 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.160 like Willis and pick it better in my opinion, but 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.439 I would still throw at least I'll just to say, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.000 because he's my third, I'll throw three quarterbacks in there, 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:25.280 and even then I still think they're borderline top fifteen 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.520 at best. So it does provide for an interesting thought 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.840 process with a premium position being so low throughout the 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.120 entire draft class. That is absolutely terrifying when you think 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.800 about it, because, like the nature of the position, two 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:41.880 or three of these guys will get drafted in the 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.480 first round, right, and you're telling me that you have 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.360 no confidence that any of them can be in the 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.880 upper echelon starting quarterback. Yeah, and that's me, you know what, 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:55.120 I'm not sure of course, but but just but I 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.480 think most somebody with you. Yeah, I think it speaks 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:03.080 to you know, all the different ice cream flavors. You know, 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.480 it's you're gonna teams are gonna look at these quarterbacks 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.719 differently and what they offer. One team will look at 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.880 Kenny Pickett and say, you know what, he's gonna help 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.280 us compete. He's gonna help us compete for eight, nine, 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.920 ten wins every single year, and we'll take that compared 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.640 to what we have right now. While another team will 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.839 look at that and say, I don't know that's quite 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:24.520 good enough for us. You know, you look at this 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.280 team like the Steelers who have had a Hall of 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.400 Fame caliber quarterback for how many years? Now? Is Kenny 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.320 Picktt good enough for what they would want to upgrade 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.040 the quarterback position or do they think pick It is 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.160 good enough? So each each team that needs a quarterback 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.320 is gonna look at this class differently. Not everyone's gonna 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.800 be on on board with waiting for Malik will because 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.800 he Malik Willis really shouldn't see the NFL field as 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.280 a rookie. He's just not ready, or team's gonna be 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.839 ready to let them sit and wait. A lot of 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.760 teams won't be that patient, other teams might be. So 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.360 it's teams are gonna look at these quarterbacks differently and 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.520 have wildly different opinions, just like a lot of us. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.360 Do you have a class in the past that you 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:06.200 could compare this quarterback group too, that that where it's 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.120 kind of that same sort of mentality. Yeah, it was 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:14.160 the worst quarterback class that I've ever covered was twenty thirteen. 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:19.480 That was the EJ Manual. You know, you know he 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.280 was a first round bus but it's not his fault. 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:22.640 He shouldn't have been taken in the first round to 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.400 begin with. But that's Matt Barkley, Ryan Nass of Gino 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.079 Smith and those are, like, you know, the top quarterbacks 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.880 that year. So this quarterback class is better than that 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.800 to step up from that. But man, does it look 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:36.920 like a huge step down compared to what we saw 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.079 last year with five quarterbacks in the top fifteen. Uh 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.920 you know a guy like Trevor Lawrence and everything he offers. Uh, 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.680 you know, Zach Wilson and Justin Fields and Trey Lance 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.560 and so yeah, it's just a it's a tough quarterback 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.000 class to really get excited about. But you know what, 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.679 quarterback desperation is a real thing throughout this league. And 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.079 that's why I'm putting the over under at ten when 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.840 we see the first quarterback drafted. Yeah, which and that 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.280 you know you can you can roll your eyes up 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.600 all all you want about it if you're a cowboy fan. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:09.679 I'm still fascinated by this quarterback conversation because I'm obsessed 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:11.960 with pushing players down the board. You want as many 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.040 as you can, and so, okay, so you put it 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.720 at ten like over under ten. And we did this 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.760 exercise on a show a few weeks ago where I 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:24.480 basically I forced the guys to give me their players 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.720 that they feel like our locks to go before the 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.560 Cowboys pick, Like you don't even think about it. And 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.760 I think we we came up with two. I think 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.600 we didn't name the quarterbacks right too? Wow? Okay, that's 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.640 the number we came up with, wasn't it with two players? Two? 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.960 Two quarters? Yes? Sorry? Yeah, I think I think the 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.520 final players I thought. I was like, there's probably ten 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.560 names we put out. I think the final list of 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.080 players was twelve if I remember, but it was, but 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.920 I think it was ten with two quarterbacks? Is the point? 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.880 And so how do you feel about that? And if 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.480 you had to guess, can you And I know you can't, 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.480 but I'm asking you anyway, can you envision landing spots 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.200 for some of these guys? And if so, how many? Yeah. 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.160 I think That's why I put the over under at 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.400 ten is because I think when you look at the 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.160 team's picking the first nine picks, you've got Carolina at six, 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.000 Denver at nine, two possible spots for a quarterback, and 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:23.280 then Washington at eleven. Washington has been, you know, trying 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.480 to figure out the quarterback position for a lot of years. Now, 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.800 what do they feel good enough at one of these 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:32.520 quarterbacks to go that direction at eleven. Maybe I think 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.280 that's maybe the most likely spot where we see a 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.760 quarterback off the board. But I think there's a good 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.320 chance we only see one quarterback in the top twenty 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.800 three picks. I really do. I don't. I don't know that. 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.240 You know, maybe we do. You know, the Steelers obviously 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.520 that's the direction they could go if they love one 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:52.760 of these one of these quarterbacks. But so let's just okay, 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.400 let's plan it out. We've got um Let's just say 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.199 the first quarterback comes off the board at eleven. Okay, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.600 that's Washington, Yep. Let's say they go Kenny Pickin. Let's 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.800 say they go the high floor. They figure he's an 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:05.920 upgrade over what we have right now. You know, we'll 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:10.520 ll die some that. Uh. Let's say next quarterback Steelers 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.560 Malik Willis. Uh, because I don't, I don't know that. 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.679 You know, the Saints are interesting spot with you know, 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.000 new coaching staff. Uh, you know what, Jameis Winson's a 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.600 free agent. What what direction do they go with a 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.040 with really really a brand new, you know, kind of 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.160 face to that that what they are as an identity 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:28.680 as a team. Are they really going to throw a 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.840 first round pick at a at a quarterback this year? 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.160 It's possible, but I don't know that they will. Pittsburgh's interesting. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.720 I don't think Philadelphia goes quarterback. Um So, New Orleans 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:39.840 or the or the Steelers look like the next likely 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.000 bet for a quarterback. And let's say it's Malik Willis 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.240 um So, I guess saying two quarterbacks off the board 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:46.600 in the first twenty three picks. I think that's a 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.720 fair uh projection at this point. That still doesn't make 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.720 me feel any better. That makes me feel like eleven 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.160 is most likely, and even that's not a lock sure 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.840 for it to be a quarterback. And then I was 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.040 thinking the same thing New Orleans. It depends on whether 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.080 or not they want Jamis Instant back in. That's that 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.000 locker room, because I don't think they would go back 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:08.520 through the Taysom Hill experiment again. Might Payton not there? 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.920 I think that I think we can probably call it. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.080 I think we can call that a day. I agree, 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.680 and so that's probably just as likely as Pittsburgh. But 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.960 either neither one of those are really intriguing to pick 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.400 before twenty three See I disagree, Just be like, you 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.320 know how every like you know how you like kind 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.000 of fall in love with an idea during you falling 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.360 in love with an idea. I love the idea of 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.760 Pittsburgh taking a quarterback, and preferably Willis for me. Dan 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.400 just said probably shouldn't play. The Steelers have the foundation 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.640 to where he doesn't need to play. I'm not saying 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:44.120 Mason Rudolph is good and Dwayne Haskins certainly not for 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.240 that matter, but like they have guys in house that 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.800 can handle it. They've got a nasty defense, like they 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.920 got to the playoffs this year with Ben Roethlisberger just 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.280 shot putting the ball, took a running back at twenty 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.120 four last year, So right, I think they have the opportunity. 0:15:58.200 --> 0:15:59.840 The bigger question might beat you. They have to move 0:15:59.880 --> 0:16:03.320 up up to get their quarterback and stay put at 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.520 twenty and you know say, yeah, we feel good our 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.800 guy will be there. Do they risk that? Do they 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.440 feel like they need to go up and get them? Um? 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.120 You know we've seen the Steelers when they really want 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.360 a player, they will go up again with Troy Paulamalu Devins, 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.720 We've seen them do it before. So Uh. That to me, 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.040 that might be the bigger question with the Steelers and 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.240 their quarterback target in this draft. They don't have a 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.680 ton of draft capital. They've got a first, second, third, 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:27.920 and a fourth comp and then they don't pick again 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.280 until the seventh. So if they're gonna do it, they're 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.280 gonna have to use their future and wage their future 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.160 against it. Yeah, And I think it's also worth noting 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:36.920 that I don't know that it's going to cost as 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:38.880 much as year to trade up because teams are gonna 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.760 be so willing to get out of there, you know, 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.760 like if if all you're offering is um, you know. 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.160 So like when the when the Steelers we've love to 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:48.520 get Devin Bush, I think they only gave up a 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.400 second round pick. I think that's all it took, is 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.720 you know, obviously they swapped first rounds and then an 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:56.080 extra an extra two. In this year's draft to move 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.000 up seven eight spots, it might only take a third 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.160 to get to do it. When in past drafts to 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.880 go up and get a quarterback, it takes a lot, 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:07.959 But in this draft, where teams are gonna be more 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:09.840 willing to get out of there pick up because we 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.960 know the strength of this draft is second, third round. 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.280 Even in the fourth round, where you're gonna get quality depth, 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.080 you might be okay with moving back seven eight spots 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.239 in the first round. Still feel like you're gonna get 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.240 a good player and who you want while picking up 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.240 a third round pick. I like that idea. Let me 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.840 ask you this, and anytime you pick in the back half, 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.800 you're always going to get questions about trading up. Just 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.040 people are always going to do and that's fine, I 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:36.160 get it. It's intriguing. Do you think do you think 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.119 a team like the Cowboys would be more likely to 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.359 trade up because it could be cheaper this year, or 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:44.840 more likely to not do that because you look at 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:46.479 it and say, well, who are we going up for? 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.680 If you're thinking that's an interesting conversation? Is no question. 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.640 If you're trading up in this draft, you better love 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.159 that person. I mean, you better be scared out of 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:56.879 your wits that he's not going to make it to 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.800 you and have that type of conviction about him. And 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.919 is there that type of player like that in this 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.880 draft and the Cowboys in this draft. It's so fascinating 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.639 because we'll see what happens the next you know, month, 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.800 with wide receiver. You know what happens at tight end? 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.200 What happened several of these key positions that we know 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.879 our potential needs on this roster that hopefully we have 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.400 a better idea a month, month and a half of 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:27.199 what how they have planned to attack that position moving forward. Um. 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:28.959 You know, because if one of these receivers that they 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.320 just fall in love with and they see a guy 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:35.440 that hey can be the difference maker, go get him. 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.879 Got the twinkle in his well, No, I'm hey, Dane 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.640 already brought up my failed love affair with a big 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:44.400 bodied sec West receiver. I'm just get Trailing Burns. Look, 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.879 I already was developing a draft crush on Trailing Burke's. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.480 But when I found out that he hunts boars with 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.200 a knife, yea, if you didn't, Kyle, you told me so, 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.760 tell tell the listeners. Yeah, he doesn't just hunt boars 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.159 or hogs. H He goes, was a knife hunts them 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.560 so and he said, it's go go look at the interview. 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:07.480 It's online, it's somewhere. He doesn't shoot them from afar. 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.840 He liked combat. Yeah, he like tries to deceive it 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.199 and then sneak up on it and just put it 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.879 in a chokehold ultimately, and and I mean it's pretty 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.880 pretty primal. He grew up in terrifying, you know, just 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:29.480 central Arkansas. Just that's that's that's what they did. I 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.040 think the Jones family is big into boar hunting, so 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.560 I like maybe it's connection and for all the next 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:37.679 for all of the you know, people love to make 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:39.920 a big deal about the Jones family going to Arkansas, 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.359 like Felix Jones is the only bad pick they've ever 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:46.199 spent on that programs. I'm just saying, which as long 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:47.720 as we're doing this, we'll go to break in a minute, 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:49.240