WEBVTT - The Lady vs. The Tramp: Debate Preview 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.560 Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:05.279 Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.080 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:13.160 Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. This is episode thirty eight thirty 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:16.400 eight counted of Native Lampid, where we give it to 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.360 you directly a breakdown of all things that are politics 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:25.760 and culture. We are your hosts, Tiffany Cross, Angela Ride Hello, 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.560 all right, what's up? Everybody up? 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.480 Tiff? What's going on? 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:36.600 And we're just staff there, you said, Andrew Will he 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:42.600 has his staff there, his gardener is oh here. 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:44.760 Everybody knows I cut my own grass. 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:46.960 I don't know about that, but you know what we 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.120 do have I do, Andrew? I do? 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:49.640 I do? 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:50.160 I do? 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:51.040 Do hedges? 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:52.599 Do do hedges? Well? 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:57.840 What we got Angela speaking of doodo, Tiff and I 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:01.760 we're COVID positive, and Andrew it was not. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:04.319 I don't know how that happened. Everybody on the team 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.880 got COVID apparently from the DNC, and we are now 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:12.800 just so social great social was crazy. 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:17.119 Well well, putting some good in the air for y'all, and. 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.080 It is my negative multiple times. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:20.200 Now. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.920 I'm very happy about that. Can I be honest? With y'all. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.720 I never tested positive for COVID. I just knew I 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.880 had no I only at the very beginning I tested negative, 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.399 but I didn't. I was too weak to even go 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.080 get a COVID test because I was in my house alone, 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.680 like I just isolated. But I knew I had it 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.520 because when I had COVID before, like my my bones 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.440 apes and like how I felt before was exactly how 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.880 I felt all week. So I was comatos all week. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.160 Like I didn't even have any of that. It was crazy. Andrew, 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.280 you missed this earlier on our on our pre pro call. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.760 But then the pre pro call, I was saying I 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:59.000 got three boosters. Tip said she got four or five, 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.640 and I got hit way like less, like I had 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.920 a little bit of a call for two days. I 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.200 had sniffles, I was a little congested, but I wasn't 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.600 anywhere near as wiped out as Tip was knocked out 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.400 for the count for days for real. 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.200 Yeah, the one time I remember getting it, it had 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.680 me like that. I mean I was shivers. I had 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.959 it all. It was crazy, And the good news is 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.400 is Tiff, I'm gonna put in the mail some of 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.560 NIM government tests. That guy a bunch. You could an 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:31.600 we haven't been surplus. I gotta get you some of those. Well, y'all, 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.160 I am, and I know the audience is excited that 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.760 y'all are back. Y'all are full, you know, full force 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:37.400 as best. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:37.720 You can be. 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.480 You look good. Known the difference, we wouldn't have known 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.360 the difference, But I am curious to know what is 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.960 on y'all's mind today. We are beyond labor Day. Things 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:54.280 begin to sober and get very real from this point forward, 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.320 particularly as it relates to the election, and every every 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.400 day is a new one, and if feels like a 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.760 lifetime sometimes, and it also feels like we're running out 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:03.079 of time. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:07.839 So well, I won't say what's keeping me up, because 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.440 everything keeps me up, but I what we talked about 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.840 during DNC and the show leading up to this is, 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.080 I know Angela's been eager to talk about debate prep, 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.880 which I'm curious both of you guys thoughts, because Angela 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.720 did debate prep with Andrew worked on his campaign. I've 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.920 only done debate prep with one candidate. It was Nick Mosby. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.040 I worked on his campaign from mayor. But mostly I've 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:36.640 been on the journalism side of things. So I wanted 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:41.400 to today to talk about the debate because this is 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.640 the last show that we'll do before there is a debate, 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.680 and I just we have a lot of thoughts about 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.680 how Vice President Harris should handle Trump. That's the first thing. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:55.200 The second thing is Angela is owed a dinner to 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.560 dinners if this debate actually happens, because we had a 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.080 wager last week that I I'm still not gonna be 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.280 convinced util I see both candidates hit that stage and 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.360 Angela is very clear she wants to dinners. It's not 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.800 just me and Andrew splitting the bill. It's got to 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.119 be one time. I'm paying for dinner, one time and dinner. 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.240 So if this debate happens, we need to talk about 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:16.360 where we're going to dinner. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.799 So the bait is going to be our PM Italian 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.359 And if I get to dinner, I'll also get to 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:20.960 pick one of them. 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.080 Is rpm you get to pick both places? 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.160 Yes, our PM Dinners. 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.360 That's what's a really good black owned spot for next week. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.200 And I'll tell everybody why we'll be in DC. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:50.000 You know what he's talking about exactly. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.760 The audience can tell us you all please drop us 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:57.560 some good black owned restaurants in DC that are nice. Uh, 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.920 So we can take Angela to dinner if this debate happens, 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:01.920 or she'll take us again. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.000 All black DC restaurants. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.400 Are nice, Yeah, and don't I don't need nice. 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:10.320 So that's when I start your pick Andrews my angel 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.400 bet she wants on this. We're going to be in 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:19.000 DC next week because we will be at my favorite place. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.560 It is the Black Nerd prom It is the Congressional 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:26.280 Black HAWKUS Foundation's annual legislative conference. It is all of 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.040 our old stomping grounds, really, because this is where I 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.440 got close to Andrew, This is where I got clostive, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.080 and this is where I met a lot of my 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:39.240 DC friends and learned like black folks outside of Seattle, 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.760 where I'm from, and outside of the West Coast, there 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:43.919 are some of us that think very similarly. Aren't in 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.600 our for the upward mobility progression of liberation of our people? 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.920 And this is that time of the year where black 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.000 folks come together to talk about policy, and we will 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:58.720 be there doing a live podcast. We got Asked, be answered. 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.920 We will be live streaming from the Congressional Black Caucus 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:03.000 Foundations ALC. 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:04.359 So we can't wait to see. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:09.560 You, I said, black nerd prom I apologize, but I 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.599 feel like it's like black homecoming, HBC homecoming, certainly for 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:19.279 I guess nerds if we're embracing that, you know. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.760 Yes, And I've been a part of many conversations where 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:25.640 we rank black conferences, like what's what's the dopis, what's 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:27.920 the ones you dope is like? And how you describe 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.440 each of them. I think that would be a good 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.160 mini pob Maybe not for this week, but one week. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.479 Many problems can I say. 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:38.159 I know we got to get into the show, but 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.200 I just want to tell a really quicklyick quick story. 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.240 Angel I don't know if you remember this. I remember 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.120 when you got the job as executive director of the 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.840 Congressional Black Caucus. Now there's the foundation, which hosts the 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.240 conference annual legislative conference, and then there's the Legislative Body, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.279 which is where Angela works. 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.360 Organization member service organization. 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:03.039 And you were I've always been bad with my phone, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:04.640 but we were trying to connect and you were like, 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.320 call me, call me, call me. And I took like 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.279 days to hit you back, and finally we met at 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.480 say it used to be this little spy in Chinatown 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.480 and we were sitting at the bar and I was like, yeah, girl, 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.000 like what's going on? And you were like, Oh, I'm 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.200 going to be the new executive director to CBC. And 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.720 I thought it was the coolest job. I thought that 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.120 was so awesome. I was so excited for you, and 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:25.480 you were like I was trying to call you to 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.040 tell you, and we talked all about it. What year 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:29.320 was that, I don't even remember. 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:33.880 That was. I became CBCED in twenty ten, so it's 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:34.720 twenty ten. 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.440 Yeah, But I just I remember that moment thinking like 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.000 that's so major because the person who had the job 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.560 before he was kind of like this King of DC 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.920 type figure, you know, and I was like a young 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.559 person moving here in like two thousand and two thousand 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.400 and one, and I was like, I can't believe Angel 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.600 was going to be like that person taking the helm. 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.080 And it seems honestly like six months ago. It also 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:56.720 seems like a lifetime ago, you know. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.800 It's so it is a lifetime ago. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:00.440 And I do want to shout out the person who 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.160 was immediately before me was Patrece Willoughby and she now 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.400 runs policy for the Double A CP and no, no, no, 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.480 it's okay. The thing that you guys have is an 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.360 Ohio connection, Tip and she loves the podcast. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.320 So Patrise, we love you, and just shouting you out. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.440 There are a lot of I was no, no, no, I 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.320 know you were anywhere. I just wanted to make sure 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.320 I shouted her out too. But yeah, we have a 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.920 number of folks who've been in that role. She she 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.000 knows you to charge the sake we oh so sometimes 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.440 we must even Tip who has the memory of a 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:29.440 dog one elephant. 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:30.760 Sometimes that's up. 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:32.880 But yes, I do know I as long as the 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:33.360 current one. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.000 Vince Evans, Yeah, it's all kind of problems happening today. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:37.559 And here. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.839 I corrected that. You see how I corrected that before you. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:42.760 Vince, we love you. 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:47.200 He worked on Andrew's campaign, He worked on Kamala's camp. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.160 He was a political director for Kamala Harris and he 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.400 went to go work with Joyce Batty and he's still 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.760 there with Congressman Stephen Horsford, who's the chair through the 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.080 end of the year. Anyway, besides getting all the CBC 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.680 is now used called the Black Nerve Prime for policy, 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.160 We'll move right into the show. 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:04.720 Andrew Gillip, you got the flow. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:09.319 Yeah, yeah, y'all that bars. I see the floor, I 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:16.760 see the flowruption I I I accept the challenge of 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.359 going into this debate. Obviously, we will not be simulating 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:24.000 a debate for you. We lost that battle stimulate the debate. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.120 I did not want to be here. Angela wanted us 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:29.880 and kick Tiff out. 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.400 That is good enough. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.480 I will tune in the moderator. You got to be 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:39.880 the moderator. I could be the moderator. Moderator, as. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.560 I was going to say a lot of my questions, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.880 I don't know if there would be things that y'all 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.080 would want to weigh in on, be. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.080 Like next question please, of. 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.280 Course we would. But you know what the funny thing 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.000 is is that I think it's important that people also 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.440 understand as we prepare for the debate, that a lot 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.760 of what is happening on that stage between those two 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:08.959 people is a highly choreographed not to say inauthentic, it's 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.719 because you get real individuals. But and you all may 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.120 agree or disagree with me here, but that debates are 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:19.160 really intended to say a certain thing, communicate a certain 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.240 thing to a certain audience, and you're not necessarily talking 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:26.680 to the entire audience every time you give a response, 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.040 and I just thought it was it put me in 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:33.440 the mind of the speech by VP Harris or acceptance 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.320 speech on that Thursday night, where you know, you had 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.440 different crowd to responding differently to different things that she 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.000 had to say. It was all, well, why does she 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.319 have to give credit to that first? Why couldn't we 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.640 start at this point? And you know, I kept trying 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.520 to at least tell people who I know who are 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.560 not as sort of politically engaged and involved, that this 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:57.400 is really a highly choreographed, in intricate, you know, dance 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.520 that the candidate is doing with the voter, especially when 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.440 you consider y'all the recent polling that's come out that 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.080 shows that we're pretty much, you know, level set, game 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:11.040 set we are. We're in a dead heat, and I 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.719 think a lot of us are really drunk off excitement 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.880 as we should be at a PEP rally slash sales 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.520 meeting for our candidate. But it really is time to 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.679 buckle down here. And I think that the debate happening 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.920 next week is going to be just one of those 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.319 I think very important and key indicators because it may 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.359 be the only debate that we'll see these two individuals 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:32.559 on the same stage. Should have happened. 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:33.839 Do you think it's going to happen? 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.160 Well, I mean, I think at this point I will 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:37.559 accept it that. 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:48.320 It will right right a week, he's you know, he's 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:48.760 gonna give it. 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.199 I'm gonna win Dixie. I'm going to win Dixie. A 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:54.040 budget as it relates. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:55.560 To that, I'm not really worried about it. You're gonna 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:56.720 have to turn to your card. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.840 But yeah, a lot of. 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:01.760 They took all those away remembers. 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:03.920 Oh sorry, I didn't mean to trigger you. I think 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:05.520 you do have an credit card. I've seen it. 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:06.880 But I'm going to move right along. 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.680 Yeah, because I wonder Angela, like, how many people actually 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.240 watch presidential debates. Now, this one I think will be 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:17.160 an anomaly because there's enthusiasm around this campaign now, right 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.079 now that Vice President Harris is at the top of 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:23.280 the ticket. I think it will be something to see. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.720 I do not think this debate is going to really 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.000 slay any voter. I don't think that they're going to 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.240 necessarily expand their base. I honestly, you know, I know, 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.920 like white run newsrooms are always talking about these mysterious 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.600 swing voters. I really have my doubts if they exist, 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.760 if you are on the fence about these two very 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.800 different candidates, with very different policy platforms, with very different 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.400 life experience, with very different perspectives and points of view 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:50.240 and personalities. I begged somebody to explain to me how 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.120 that person is a possible swing voter. Even the networks 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.040 have gotten caught with their pants down, so to speak, 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.160 because they've had people on there who are like, no, no, no, 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.440 I said, I was a Trump supporter, and they still 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.679 put me on this panel as though like an independent 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.240 voter or an undecided voter. So I just I don't 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.480 know what the debate will result in in terms of 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:13.320 expanding the the base. At most, maybe it will impact 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.280 GLTV H, you know, people getting out the vote. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:17.600 But what do you all think? 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:21.199 I think you know, first and foremost, I think it's 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.720 important to acknowledge that the two choices aren't just Trump 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.240 and Kamala Harris. There are also third party candidates in 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:33.280 some states. For example, RFK, who has dropped out, will 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.880 not be removed from the ballots in Wisconsin. In Michigan, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.680 which is favorable to the Democratic Party, I don't know 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.320 what's going on with Jill Nim but that also could 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.080 be a factor. And then finally, the factor that we 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:48.120 all know and talked about on this podcast, especially when 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.480 Joe Biden was on, is apathy and whether or not 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.560 people decide to go out or not. So if people 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.840 see themselves reflected enough, or they get excited enough about 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.800 change or something different, they very well could go out. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.040 And one of the things that I would love to 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.960 do here is play one of the clips that I 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:08.080 think that will work very well for Kamala Harris in 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.600 the debate if she is able to double down here, 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.720 and it is about what she knows about Donald Trump. 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:14.600 Let's roll that sound. 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:18.200 Before I was elected as Vice president, before I was 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:22.360 elected as United States Senator, I was the elected Attorney general, 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.320 as I've mentioned to California, and before that, I was 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:25.400 a courtroom prosecutor. 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.880 In those roles, I took on perpetrators of all. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:37.160 Kinds, creditors who abused women, fraudsters who ripped off consumers, 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.520 cheaters who broke the rules. 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:41.040 For their own game. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:46.880 So hear me when I say I know Donald Trump's type. 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.760 So Angela, I love, love, love that clip, and I 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.600 remember that speech. Let's on the other side of this 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:59.080 break Payson bills and then come back with some reactions 0:14:58.800 --> 0:14:59.880 amongst the panel. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.560 So I wanted to roll that because what has happened 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:20.040 is that has played so well well for Kamala Harrison 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.680 the campaign. They have used that same line, that same 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.400 refrain over and over again. 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.760 We see that happen in the black church often like that. 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.800 Thing where the whole you know, the church rubs, the 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:31.960 congregation of rubs. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:33.760 People keep tapping back into that. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:35.960 What I want to make sure that she does is 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.800 not necessarily go specific to the I know Donald Trump's 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.960 type line, but to double down as I am the 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.000 prosecutor and he is the comp what he should be 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:46.520 the convict. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.040 He is the one who's facing sentencing. 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:54.520 We have said often since twenty sixteen that he's teflon 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.000 Don because nothing sticks. 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.440 This time, things seem to be sticking. 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.840 And so what I really want Tamila Harris to do 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.440 is double down and get in his head. She needs 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.720 to be treating this week and plus before this debate 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:12.520 as the opportunity to ready herself as a boxer would before. 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:13.480 This biggest match. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.320 Get in his head, like start calling him Don the Khan, 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.360 start saying, you know, I was a prosecutor. I used 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.440 to prosecute John's Donald Trump is one of them. I 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.800 used to prosecute fraudsters. Donald Trump is one of them. 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.840 I used to prosecute folks who lied on their business 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.880 forms to ensure that they collected more fees, more money 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.880 from folks who they stole from contractors. I know the type, 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.880 and that is Don the Khan, and that is, unfortunately, 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.160 who I have to stand on the debate stage with. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.480 It is a waste of my time, but I'm going 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.040 to do this for the American people so you all 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:50.200 can see the contrast. 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:51.880 That's where I really want her to be. 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.320 For some folks, they would say, especially in the Democratic Party, 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:56.560 that's below the bell. 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.520 You need to when they go low, we go hi. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.200 Michelle Obama through it out the window, and so should 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:03.040 Kamala Harris. 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:03.640 For this debate. 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.600 She needs to go low, strike him so low that 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.640 the ref doesn't know if it was below the belt 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.160 or not. She needs to be doing that starting now, 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.840 and I think she should do that in her opening remarks. 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:14.000 Of the debate. 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:16.800 Tiffany, what do you think would be the fatal flaw 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:21.720 in her performance? If, as I suspect, the Republicans are 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:26.240 planning to throw her off her game. She's been pretty even, 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.520 she's been pretty in control. She has controlled much of 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.080 the environment in which she has talked about him. This 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.960 will be different. Yeah, And if you're Donald Trump, your 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.280 job is also to throw her off her game so 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.520 that she can look like what to the American people. 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.360 So I think he's been trying to figure out how 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.320 to throw her off her game. What I think he 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.720 doesn't realize on what the American people will soon see 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.399 is black women are so used to people throwing us 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.480 off our game that we have learned to have a 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.840 plastered smile on my face, on our face while saying 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.480 f you the entire time. I don't think he's going 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.159 to be able to to be quite honest, she has 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.960 stood to Angelo's point. She has faced off with people 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.520 in the courtroom. She has faced off against political opponents. 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.200 She's quite frankly one more elections than he has. So 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:13.359 I would say even by her kind of rising above 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.360 some of his insults, that is enough. That's not maybe 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.440 not enough, but that is definitely something that will also 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.520 get in his head. I take Angelo's point about you 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.520 know us this week to get in his head and 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.200 and you know, kind of deliver these punches at him 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:30.120 and these insults to him. Well, you could argue they're 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:34.560 not insults, they're actually just factional or statements. Yeah, I 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:38.719 would say what we have to remember is when she 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.560 is speaking, she is speaking to the globe. She is 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.919 not just speaking to voters here in America. She is 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.520 speaking to President she of China, she is speaking to 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:56.679 President Modi of India, she is speaking to Angela Merkel like. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.320 She is speaking to global leaders who are going to 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:03.280 be looking to her for her temperament because they are 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.440 eager to bring some sense of normalcy and confidence back 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:08.680 to the American positioning on the globe. So I think 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.760 she has to navigate that carefully. I have no doubts 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:13.560 about her ability to be able to do that. Again, 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:15.840 it's the duality of our kind as black women. I 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.359 think she will be able to throw a punch at 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:24.360 Donald Trump and also speak to even like the global markets, 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.760 you know, the financial markets, who will also be looking 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.360 at this debate. It's a very serious time and serious issues. 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.600 So this idea of like slinging insults back and forth 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:35.880 at each other, I really hope that she doesn't traffic 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:40.840 in that, but that she keeps it to just stating 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.000 the facts about him and answering the questions that the 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.919 way that she wants to answer them without stooping to 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:51.120 his level. But I want to be clear, I am 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.040 of the mindset that, yeah, go low. I don't mean 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.639 go low in the sense of, you know, don't go 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:00.119 gut her, but go low in the sense of, I 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.480 know how to throw a punch back at you. Don't 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.120