1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: The Iron Rapports Stereo podcast World Tour is picking back 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: up this summer. July six, Me and G. Moody, last 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: name rhymes with duty, will be in Toronto, Ontario at 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Dan Fourth Musical at eight pm. We will be back 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: in New York City August four at the Grammercy Theater, 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Saturday August eighth in Houston, Texas at the Warehouse Live Ballroom, 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Wednesday August in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania at Union Transfer and Saturday 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: August in Boston at the Wilburth Theater. The I Am 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: rapp Sports Tereo Podcast World Tour is going down this summer. 10 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: You can get tickets at I Am Rappaport Tour dot com. 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: Me G Moody, whose last name rhymes with duty, and 12 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: you know there's gonna be special guests along the way. 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: We kick things off July in Toronto, Ontario at Dan 14 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: Fourth Musical, eight p m. Canada. Here we come, all right. 15 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: My name is Michael Rappaport. You are now listening to 16 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: the I Am Rappaport Stereo podcast. I'm gonna be honest, 17 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: there's been a world wind for America's newest hero. It's 18 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: been NonStop since the action on Flight fifteen sixty three. UM, 19 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: so we're gonna get right into this. This is a banger. 20 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: I am Rappaport Stereo podcast interview with my guy who 21 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: I worked with on Higher Learning, who I became a 22 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: fan of when I saw him in Juice, co starring 23 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: opposite Tupac Shakoor. He's had a great career, long illustrious career. 24 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: You've seen him in Loving Basketball, Like I mentioned, I 25 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: saw him first in Juice, Higher Learning, The Wood and 26 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: so on and so on and so on and so on. 27 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: You can currently see him on USA Networks The Shooter. 28 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: My man from Brooklyn, Omar Epps, who's now an author. 29 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: He just wrote a book from Fatherless to Fatherhood. This 30 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: guy's an icon. Okay, he's been doing it for twenty 31 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: plus years. Coming up next on the Iron Rapp Reports 32 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: Stereo podcast, My Man from Higher Learning, Omar Epps. Let's 33 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: get right to it. 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At this point, author, I 60 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: just finished your book from Fatherless to Fatherhood, which I 61 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: want to talk to about. And it's crazy because this 62 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: is like the first time I've ever really got to 63 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: talk to you. And of course we did Higher Learning, 64 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: which was ninety four, and when you think back, like 65 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: nine four, like, yo, there's a whole other world stam 66 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: near twenty five years ago. Ninety four. We were shooting 67 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: that ship in ninety four and I always remember this 68 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: and and it was so funny and I want to 69 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: like see what you remember about that movie set. But 70 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: like we were young, we were like, you know, our 71 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: method acted ship. It was like you know, racially divided set. 72 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: It was like, you know, the skinheads and it was 73 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: like the you know, it was like the black dudes 74 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: was ice Cube, Busta rhymes you Regina King, And I'm 75 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: like the fucking skinheads, you know, I'm like, I want 76 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: to hang out with the cool motherfucker's like this motherfucker's 77 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: over here chilling. But I never forgot this, And I 78 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: want to ask you how you got this. I remember 79 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: we were shooting Higher Learning and early I think it 80 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: was like February or January of ninety. This is a 81 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: true story. And and obviously at the time, you know, 82 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: there was a lot of anticipation on a young artist 83 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: named nas He he had he had actually been in 84 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: my first film soundtrack, Zebrahead Halftime. He had done live 85 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: at the barbecue, and like at the time, there was 86 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: you know, Source magazine. He was like, Yo, he's coming 87 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: out with this record. He's coming out with this record. 88 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: And I and we knew it was like coming out 89 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: in the spring. I didn't know the date, like I 90 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't like now the internet, like you know, 91 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: like Saturday, it's coming out of too like, but you 92 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: knew it was coming. But I remember one time, I'm 93 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: walking by your trailer, and I also remember you were 94 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: friends with Little Daddy Shane, who was Big Daddy Kane's brother, 95 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: and and he had just rhymed on Kane's right because 96 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: I was like, what the funk like this is like? 97 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: And I was and I was very sick when we 98 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: were filming Highland because I got really think I had 99 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: like stomach shit. Yeah. So but like you know, and 100 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: I was also like, you know, trying to like stay 101 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: in my character, in my zone, and you know, but 102 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: you motherfucker's were chilling. And I remember walking by your trailer. 103 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: I distinctly remember walking by your trailer and hearing Aisy 104 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: on Life's a Bit, and nobody was really fucking me. 105 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: It wasn't like we were like not cool that, but 106 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: it was just kind of like I didn't really know 107 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: each other, like you, you had a bunch of people 108 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: with do in the trail, not a bunch of few people. 109 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: And I go, you know, what the funk is that? 110 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: And you and like somebody was like that's not that's 111 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: the Alematic ship and I were like word and like 112 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, get the funk out of here, remy, 113 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: you know. But my question to you is, first, how 114 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: did you get that tape? I mean, the statutory limits 115 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: are fine, so how did you get it? And like, 116 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: what do you remember about do you remember like me 117 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: remember I remember all of this in detail. So, um, 118 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: one of the you know, New deal John Singleton's production 119 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: company that they had called me up there. You know, 120 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: we're doing fittings or something like that, right, So I 121 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: went up to the office and um, what's my cousin 122 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: G with me? Or Shane? One of them was with me, 123 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: Little Daddy Shane Like at the time, I was like, oh, 124 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: because it was the closest thing to Big Daddy came. 125 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: I was like, fucking shape, that's the homie. So I 126 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: walked by this office right, and I see a pile 127 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: of cassettes right, and I guess it was like they were, 128 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,679 Speaker 1: you know, listening to stuff for the soundtrack or whatever. 129 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: And I literally I walked by this office and I 130 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: see a blue cassette and it said NOS on it 131 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, So I backtrack and I'm 132 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: I think it was either my cousin G or Shane 133 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: was with me. I said, yo, that's the Nuts album 134 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: and he was like what And I said, this just 135 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: got this ship sitting on a politicste like. I felt 136 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: like it was so disgustingly disrespectful, and so I had 137 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: to swipe that. You know, I'm getting so I'm gonna 138 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: take kids And this was like about I forget. When 139 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: we shot it was I broke rule number one of 140 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: the Iron Rap or Stereo podcast and I factchecked. I 141 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: believe that record came out in April. This was it 142 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: had to be like February or January. We knew it 143 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: was coming, but you didn't hear any of it. You 144 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: didn't hear it, but you just heard a lot of 145 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: talk and excitements coming. So I get the cassette as 146 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: soon as we get into it, leave that we're listening, 147 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: and we're like, this is the NAS album and it 148 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: was the whole record, was the whole Our heads exploded, 149 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: we were I mean, that was rotation for like until 150 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: the album came out. I just couldn't believe that they 151 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: had NAS's album, his first album, Illmatic, on a pile 152 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: of cassettes, like it was just disguarded. So I felt, 153 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: you know, as hip hop our culture, I had to 154 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: guard this thing yourself. I mean, that was that was amazing. 155 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: It's so hilarious that you were never forgot that because 156 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: it's one of those moments, like you know, certain songs 157 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: and musical moments. And I remember, like, I mean, when 158 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: people probably heard e z rhyming on it, you it 159 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: was like, you know, his voice and like and then 160 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: I remember hearing no, but I remember visualized in the 161 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: realist and I was like, what the fund is this? 162 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: And you like that's then and you probably knew like 163 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: you shouldn't have it, you know, and it was before 164 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: the time of Bootleg, and like it wasn't it was 165 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: like Bootleg, it didn't even happen, Like that ship wasn't 166 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: even the thought that you would take something like that. 167 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: There was nowhere to put it out to. There's no Internet, 168 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: there was no like ye're almost say, like it was 169 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: just we roll with that. We none of us could 170 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: believe that they would just have We were looking at 171 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: it like, how could you treat it like that? Like 172 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: do you not know what this is? Like if you're 173 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: listening to, you know, music for a soundtrack, that's fine, 174 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: but this is separate from that. That was crazy. So 175 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: we were like, you know, what's funny what I remember that. 176 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: I remember a lot of things about how I learn it. 177 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: But that was my first earthquake because when we were 178 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: filming High and Learn, and they had just had that 179 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: big earthquake in Los Angeles and we were on set 180 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: one day and I guess it's the aftershocks. I was 181 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: in my trailer because you know, back then, I still 182 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: used to rhyme and everything, so I'm listening to the 183 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: beats all the time, and so I'm sitting in the 184 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: trailer listening to the music, bopping, and so the trailer 185 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: is kind of shaking because I'm bopping. And then the 186 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: trailers started shaking. Now I first thought somebody was playing 187 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: a prank. When of your guys like like shaking the trailer. 188 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: So I'm like, what the hell? And I could kind 189 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: of hear people yelling. So I go open up the 190 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: door and I saw this big tree that was behind 191 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: the trailer just like somebody was just shaking it. And 192 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: I was like, and people were running. Were filmed on 193 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: U C. L A campus, and I was like, oh, 194 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: and I just stood there was so surreal. And then 195 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: it was over and they were talking to that I 196 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 1: think we were at lunch because they said they were 197 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: downstairs in some building having lunch. I was eating in 198 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: the trailer and they was like people freaked out and 199 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: you could see like, um, I don't know if you 200 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,359 Speaker 1: remember this in the stairwell where we filmed that fight scene. 201 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: They were like cracks from it, from Yeah, from the 202 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: Big One, and from That's crazy. It was crazy that 203 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: the NAS album my first earthquake. What else do you 204 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: remember about? Like, I mean, we were so young, you know, 205 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: like young to the Business, Young to life. Like at 206 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: that age, you think you know so much that you're 207 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: so like you don't know ship right, Well, what else 208 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: do you remember like about that set? Like it was 209 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: such a for me. It was so exciting to like 210 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: I had seen you in Juice, you know, Cube was 211 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: like fucking ice Cube's the ri you know, Regina King, 212 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, she was Regina King. Like I was like, yeah, 213 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: I mean it was fucking and John Singleton was like popping. 214 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: This was after he had I mean that was like 215 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: it was such an exciting place for me to be 216 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: as an actor and then to get to do this 217 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: crazy part like I'm like, you know where I'm like, yo, 218 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: I'm doing something totally against what I'm liking, you know, 219 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: like like you know on our you know Robert De 220 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: Niro method active ship and and mean what what else 221 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: do you like? Do you remember? Like, uh, you had 222 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: to do a lot of stuff because you had done track. 223 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: You were like you I remember asking you were, yeah, 224 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: I have to wake up and I was doing this 225 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: track shit, and you know you had to like work 226 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: out and ship like that. Yeah. It was intense, man, 227 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: I mean John was um. John was intense back then. 228 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: You know, he was young, just coming off this big 229 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: you know movie Boys in the Hood and so um. 230 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: It's just interesting because you know I heard this after 231 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: the fact, but like Tupac, he wanted Tupac to play 232 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: that role. And you know that, you know that Leonardo 233 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: DiCaprio was gonna play my part. That's crazy. I didn't 234 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: know that Leonardo DiCaprio was going It was gonna be 235 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: Tupac and Leonardo and I was gonna play cole Houser's part. 236 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: I was locked into that, Kay, cole Houser. Do you 237 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: remember this? Do you remember the day they couldn't find him? 238 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: He was he didn't show up the set. Oh yeah, 239 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: and they were like, what's going on? And they were 240 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: calling him and you know this before like everybody had 241 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: a cell phone, and they set someone to wherever he 242 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: was staying and he was dead sleep. He had went 243 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: to I remember a concert, I want to say a 244 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: Pink Floyd concert. I remember whatever happened happened. Remember. I 245 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: do remember that this ship was it was crazy and 246 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: I just remember. I also remember like the set was 247 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: like you know, I knew like I had certain things 248 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: in my head that were written. I remember the scene 249 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: where we were doing the scene in the dorm room 250 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: where I pulled a gun out on you and I'm 251 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: like saying, all this crazy ship. I'm like and I 252 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: remember like it was like a prime it was like, 253 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: especially at the time it was like a mostly black set, 254 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: you know because it was Singleton, And I remember it 255 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: was like it wasn't like tense like people, but people 256 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: were like, you know, you're saying, you know, fun this 257 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: and and this and does it and we're doing it 258 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: take after take after motherfucker's like how many times you after? 259 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: Hear that? And the more I did it, Singleton with 260 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: like applause, like he was like keep going because everybody, 261 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: like I was like, I was like fell alienated on 262 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: this set, like enough fucking enough. But I just remember 263 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: one time when I was doing Ship off camera, like 264 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: I remember you looking at me like what the like 265 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: what like as you're at your head at the time, 266 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: like as an actor and like you've done so much 267 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: since did you know what you were doing as an actor? 268 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: Like you had went to LaGuardia, Like did you were 269 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: you clear? Like what you were doing as an actor? 270 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: Was everything? Sort of like were you learning? Because I 271 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: was I know I was learning on the job. That's 272 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: a great question. I mean I think, uh, I knew 273 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: what I was trying to do. I know what I 274 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: was aiming towards, you know, and I felt a certain 275 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: level of confidence in I knew that I would commit, 276 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: you know. And so it's it's interesting too. It's it's 277 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: interesting to hear your thoughts because when I think back 278 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: to that, I'm like, I never considered that back then, 279 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you kind of were 280 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: alienated in a sense. But but you know, when I 281 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: think about it, and I've never spoken to John about this, 282 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: but I wonder if he sort of created that on purpose. 283 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: I think he did so that we had that energy 284 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: for the characters, you know what I mean. And then 285 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: so when they turn the cameras on, that energy is 286 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: reel and it's but you know what's interesting, um and 287 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: you never like you you're like a low key dude, 288 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: like I'm talking like you know, it's not like I'm 289 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: not funk. It was just like, yo, what's up? It 290 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: was cool, but it was like I want to like 291 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: talk to you about juice, like you know, like I 292 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: want to like ask you think i'mna ask you the 293 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: questions that I'm getting to ask you now, you know 294 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: what I mean, It's it's wild, man. I mean, we 295 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: were just so fortunate. Um, I don't think I don't 296 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: think any of us knew the power of what that 297 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: story was about at that time, you know, even when 298 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: you think, I mean, you know, Fish Burns and like 299 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: so many great actors were in that and it's kind 300 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: of sad, um scary, and it's sad and scary to 301 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: think we can watch that movie now and and and 302 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: it's like now, it's not like there's any time frame's 303 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: pass right, And that's that's so I was speaking to 304 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: the power of Singleton storytelling. I mean, it's it was. 305 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: It's incredible because you can watch that film now man, 306 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: and it hits you. You know, yeah, absolutely, it hits 307 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: you like wow, and it's you know, it's just it's 308 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: sad state of affairs for us. But I loved working 309 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: with you so much fun. We had so much fun 310 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: because we were kids, man, and we were getting to 311 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: do our thing. We were going hard, take hard, and 312 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: like I remember, uh, because Pop had had just no 313 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: park was locked up, right, that's why he could like 314 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: they were like and then he got out, but they 315 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: were like, we can't fucking finance, like yeah, and they 316 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: were like he couldn't take a shot on him and 317 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: they couldn't get insurance for the movie. Right, So it's 318 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: just you know, Regina kn' cube and I mean Cube 319 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: was dope in that movie. Yeah. I think he kind 320 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: of was was tuned into the greater story. Yeah, yeah, 321 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: definitely more than I wasn't because he was like banks right, 322 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: that's crazy. Motherfucker's I swear out of all the ship 323 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: that I've done, that's probably the ones consistent thing. You know, 324 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: why you shoot tiring? Why she said that. People asked 325 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: me to this day, they like, why you shoot tired? 326 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: Like to to this day, you know, you did you 327 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: thing and that we we all did. It was fun. 328 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: It was about, i want to say, like four months ago. 329 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: It's like randomly, like two in the morning, you know, 330 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep and it was on and I watched 331 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: it and I'm like, yeah, it was like rap was 332 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: killing this. You was killed. But you know because on 333 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: a on an actor level, there really wasn't art Like 334 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: when you first meet that character, he's not that guy, 335 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: and it was beautiful to watch him, you know, transform 336 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: and he was trying to transform and at the end 337 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: it's like he really wasn't that guy, right, he never 338 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: really changed into that dude? Right? That was it was beautiful. 339 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: You know, someone came in an idea. He was like, 340 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: obviously the character killed himself, but if if we figured 341 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: out a way to be like, oh, it was just 342 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: a bad head wound, like to do like where me 343 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: and Malik your character we meet up now like in 344 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: a coffee shopping like we hashed things out and like 345 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: just like satirical thing. All right. So you went to 346 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: LaGuardia High School, which is the famous performing arts high 347 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: school in New York City for people that are from 348 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: New York. It's a school that the movie Fame was 349 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: based on. It was a school that the movie Fame 350 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: was shot at. Um I went to King and I think, 351 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: how old are you? Okay, so you're I had already left, 352 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: but it was I went to more Luther King. I 353 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: didn't know that. Yeah, it was a fucking It was 354 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: a fucking yeah, literally like like a small street. How 355 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: did you wind up going into LaGuardia and what? Because 356 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: when I was in high school, I was I was 357 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: like still thinking I'm gonna play basketball? Did you go 358 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: to LaGuardia to play, I mean, to become an actor? 359 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: And what was your head? Like how did you get 360 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: into LaGuardia and like why did you want to be 361 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: an actor at such a young age? Um? Well, for me, um, 362 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: I kind of at first I thought I was gonna 363 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: be a running back in the NFL, play football, played 364 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: for the Brooklyn Skyhawks Pop Wanna League. Okay, yes, I 365 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: was playing football, and um, but I was always into 366 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: the arts, you know because my my mom or grandmam um, 367 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: and I've been writing forever. So I used to write 368 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: short stories, poem I didn't know, you know, raps and 369 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: stuff like that. And the acting kind of became, I guess, 370 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: an extension of the writing. Um, and a combination of 371 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: you know, doing some school plays and stuff. And and 372 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: Sydney Portier was like my hero back, you know, and 373 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: so um there's no sort of uh benchmark. I just 374 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: sort of was heading that way and Laguardi is it, 375 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, in New York as far as performing arts, 376 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: and I was just like that's where I want to go. 377 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: And I went, you know, you got an audition and 378 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: like like your fifteen where you're when I was uh, 379 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: I was twelve, damn yeah, because when I got skipped 380 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: when I was younger. So I went to high school. 381 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: I was twelve and sixteen. So so you go in 382 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: there and you do an audition from a play or 383 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: like a monologue. Yeah, it was um some I don't 384 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: remember the monologue. It was something from Shakespeare. That's crazy, 385 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, and you know you have to edition for 386 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: the teachers or you know. The people who had that 387 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: department and it's in they had two theaters, they had 388 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: the big one in the small one, and it was 389 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: just really daunting. But you're going in do your thing. 390 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: And I was really really um confident, you know. I 391 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: keep using that word because it was like I believed 392 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: in what I could bring in and so much of 393 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: like when people ask me of of like I want 394 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: to be an actor, I'm like, yo, there's no if 395 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: or I'm thinking about Like when you just say confident, 396 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: I tell motherfucker's like, there's no dipping your toe in 397 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: the pool. You gotta jump in the fucking the cold 398 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: ass pool. And this is you know, from when we 399 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: came up. You know, the notion of you being in 400 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: film and television is not what they're teaching you. They're 401 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: teaching you. You know, you'd be good with some broad 402 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: Away and it's gonna and find your way in life, 403 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that the I but 404 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: for me so I get in my freshman year. Um 405 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: car Pain is a senior cock roach from DeAndre Whitfield 406 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: is the senior he plays show. I'm like, this is crazy. 407 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: You're like seeing stars in there. To me, the like 408 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: I just saw this dude on TV last week and 409 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: they go to my school. So the idea is like, oh, 410 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: this can work, you know. And and when I think 411 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: about it now, it's like we have to think about 412 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: the entertainment business how it was was back then, you 413 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's completely different than it is now. 414 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: His name this is pre YouTube, pre Netflix, pre stream, 415 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: this is you know, the these five companies control everything, right, 416 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's no these subsidiaries and 417 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: a thousand channels to Channel four channel, you know what 418 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: I mean. HPO wasn't even HPSPO wasn't even just played 419 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: movies and ship and inside the NFL. So the idea 420 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: of like, yo, this is the timing of it was 421 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: I guess serendipitous because you know, this is in Spikes 422 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: right after his you know, the Spike renaissance, and in 423 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: terms of black film that it had just was gearing up, 424 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like that new wave. So 425 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: I was just fortunate to the timing to come at 426 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: that new way because it was like, you know, you 427 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: think about we had you got Boys in the Hood 428 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: on the West coast, and you had Juice on the 429 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: East coast, and and then what was the other one, 430 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: um Menace That's what I was missing. You had those 431 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: those are the three. They're just like boom, you know, 432 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: the whole new uh black film renaissance. You know, so 433 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: just a victim of good circumstances. And who else, like 434 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: I mean people Adrian Brodie's went to I mean there's 435 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: a list of this this kid who just got nominated 436 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: for NASCAR young kid, uh you I know, Marlon Wayne, 437 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: like you guys like Rory Cochrane. It's crazy, but like, yeah, 438 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: we were all at the same time. I remember going 439 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: to school with Adrian Brodie, Like I remember that dude, 440 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I remember Rory Cochrane that 441 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: that's the homie. Like and it's just while because the 442 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: I mean when you look at the school's alumni. Is 443 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: it's crazy. I mean that's nuts. De Niro, Puccino, I 444 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: think Nicki minaj Niima, she's younger than both of us. 445 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: But but just like the amount of you know, the 446 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: school holds students, so you feel like in the drama department, 447 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what the number is, but let's just 448 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: make one up. Let's just say it's two hundred kids, right. 449 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: You know out of that two hundred kids, how many 450 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: go on to you know, to to work in the business. 451 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: Is there plays put on by LaGuardia like at the 452 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: time that probably now they have like films and short 453 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: films because you could do it on your phone in digital, 454 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: But like, is it like that must be competitive because 455 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: you got all the motherfucker's not like a normal school 456 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: where it's like, oh I want to be in the 457 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: play and somebody who really wants to do what's gonna 458 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: be Shakespeare, gonna be king Lear? Like was was there 459 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: like what was there plays put on by the Was 460 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: it competitive because everybody's there for that. Yeah, it's like 461 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: a sports school but acting. Yeah, And it's like that's 462 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: a perfect, perfect analogy. Um, and you know it's it's 463 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: like it's like any high school in the sense that 464 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: the seniors are the ones, you know what I mean. 465 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: So the seniors that are like the you know, those 466 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: are the special group. And for me, I think even 467 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: for mallind Um, you know, we would we were serious 468 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: about that thing. Man, we were serious. So they did 469 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: do plays within the year and then it all uh 470 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,719 Speaker 1: culminated what they call the Spring Drama Festival. So that 471 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: was when it's like this, the whole drama department is 472 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: putting on for the whole school, and you know, it's 473 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: gonna be this, it's gonna be that, and what's beautiful 474 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: or at least back then, I would imagine they do 475 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: the same thing now. But so once you're a senior, 476 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: they have what's called a showcase and it's super a 477 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: dope because what they do is they bring in like 478 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: casting agents, you know, different younger junior eight you know, 479 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: to come watch this senior class and so you pick 480 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: a partner. You know, by then me and Marlin would 481 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, like you know, we would biggest and we 482 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: we um know, we did a scene. What did we 483 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 1: did a scene from? I want to say it was 484 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: August Wilson's one of the Wilson's place. He'll probably remember 485 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: and and we killed it, you know, and then that's 486 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, after then you're like, you know, 487 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: maybe a manager or agent might want to take a meeting, 488 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: reached out to you and stuff. Yeah, because they're there 489 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: and they'll slip you their card and you know with kids, 490 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: so we don't know, and you're like, oh, ship, you know, 491 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: and then Nate, you know, you might have a meeting. 492 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: You might. That's how I got my first agent. All right, Oh, 493 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: let me take a break real quick, and I want 494 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: to talk about this World Cup. 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Man? 521 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: That's why it's like I was telling something one the 522 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: other day. You know, the first like four years of 523 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: my career, it was like it was like a movie. 524 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: It was surreal. It was surreal. Everything happened so fast. 525 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: I was just like you know, and it's it was bizarre. 526 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: So I get out of school summer of ninety. Um, 527 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: I booked Juice like somewhere before that next new year before. 528 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: So it's like that summer, late in the summer, I 529 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: booked Juice and then we're filming this movie. It's crazy. 530 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: It was like I was like, uh, I was thinking 531 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: about you know, maybe I you know, I didn't want 532 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: to go straight to college. I think Marlin went up 533 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: to Howard. I was like, I'll just work and you know, 534 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: let me figure out what I want to do. I 535 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: didn't know you wanted to do something. Yeah, I knew 536 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: I wanted to do the acting thing. But I was like, 537 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: all right, am I gonna, you know, go straight to 538 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: school or maybe I should take you know, let me 539 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: take this year and work in audition to see what 540 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: picks up. And it was it's like boom. You know, 541 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: I booked Juice. I remember the first time I met Pocket. 542 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: It was um my agent at the time. So so 543 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: we they had the cattle call, so you know, that's 544 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: they're seeing thousands of people, actors, non actors, rappers, cousin. 545 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: It's crazy. So even going up to that whatever that 546 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: office was to audition was nuts because it would be 547 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: like three people in there, so you know, we go in, 548 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: do the thing, get a call back, get another callback. 549 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: I probably had like five or six callbacks. And then 550 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: what was interesting was they were like all right, and 551 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: then it was like they were they were pairing us up. 552 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: So since it was like four kids, it was just 553 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: like all right, YouTube and YouTube, Okay, you read for 554 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: this role, you read forever roll and they had me 555 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: reading for Bishop and it was like, okay, re for you, Okay, 556 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: try this one. All right, come in with this group. 557 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: And that just process just went on and on, and 558 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: then there was like, ah, I guess they had narrowed 559 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: it down. But then they had like this dinner, and 560 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: my Asian at the time was like, all right, you 561 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: gotta go to this dinner. Um, the director's gonna be 562 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: there and there's hype on him because he's shot do 563 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: the Do the Right Thing and all the spikes ship. 564 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: This is the man, He's the fucking dude. And especially 565 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: like do the Right Thing the time was so aesthetically incredible, incredible, 566 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: and it spikes disciples. So this is guys like the 567 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: next fucking guy, right, So we're going to this dinner 568 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: and my Asian at the time was like, um, you know, 569 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen, but they're really 570 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: hot on this guy Tupac. They really love this guy, 571 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: Tupac Shacker. Remember he said, I remember that, and I 572 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: was like okay, and they were like, just make sure 573 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: you sitting next to him. Trying to sit next to him. 574 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: That's fucking money, you know how agents do. And you know, 575 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: as as it would have it, you know, me and Pop, 576 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: you know, I met him. We sit on opposite side 577 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: of the table. You know, we're in our own world, 578 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: is doing our own thing. And then um, and he 579 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: had rocked with Digital Underground with the time he had 580 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: rock with Digital Underground at that time, the same song, 581 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: right yeah, And he hadn't did hadn't put out a record, 582 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: right No, he was he was in the midst of 583 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: recording his first record. Okay. So it's just like he 584 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: rocked on the song, like, you know, like he did 585 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: the one verse on the song, like yeah, it's cool, 586 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: Like nobody you know, it's like it's not Digital was dope, 587 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: but it was kind of like play you know what 588 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: I mean. So it was like, you know, I'm from Brooklyn, 589 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: New York's like, yo, so we like you know, but 590 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: he was a cool dude, and um, what do you 591 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: remember about him? Like a young Tupac, which I'm sure 592 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: you got asked a zillion times, but like at that dinner, 593 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: like when you're seeing like the essence to him, you're 594 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: on your bed sty ship, you had an edge about you. 595 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: You know what, what do you remember like about that 596 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: person that you saw even before he got officially cast 597 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: in Juice, Pod had a mission. He had a special energy. 598 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: You know how some people just have a There's there's 599 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: something about that aura. There's something in their eyes where 600 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: it's just like and what's crazy is the way that 601 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: Pop got Juice. He went with Tresh. Tresh had the audition. 602 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: He was just Onlly with the homie and then they 603 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: were like, hey you you you try to come you 604 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: know what I mean because I remember and before that 605 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: dinner there was a certain point where we had the 606 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: audition together where they it was like it was two 607 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: other dudes and me and Pop, but it wasn't Jermaine 608 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: or Khalil. And then you know, this was when they 609 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: were still doing this you know, Docy dough. But after 610 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, after we had the dinner, Um, I got 611 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: the call from Ernest. He called me, um and and 612 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: and then just Pack was just a special dude. Man 613 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: like his a had so much you could just tell. 614 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: It was just like, what something's got to come out 615 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,479 Speaker 1: of this guy, you know, and his style back then, 616 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: you know, people after the fact, it's all you know, accepted. 617 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: But back then it was like he doubles and triples 618 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: and quadruples his vocals. You know, everybody was kind of 619 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: like what he had a different cadence, you know. Um, 620 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: and his sound was not the norm. I think any 621 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: artist should want to be the norm. But I'm just 622 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: saying it was a risk, you know, if you want 623 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: to put it that way. But it was just like, 624 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: you know what what he was into, Um, a beautiful 625 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: story about pop and this is real. One morning, Um, 626 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: we were you know, getting the set or whatever, and 627 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: he had the papers and some woman had like throwing 628 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: a baby in the trash, which is horrible, you know, 629 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: but we from New York. You hear about stuff like 630 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: that all the time. And he was just so incensed. 631 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: He just couldn't. He kept talking about it, like, man, 632 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: how could somebody do that? And I'm like, bro, it's 633 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: the hood, like you know. And at lunchtime he was 634 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: like yo, um, coming to trailer. We we had honeywagons though, 635 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: or you through, we had the small joints, So coming 636 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: to trailer and he starts rapping this this thing to 637 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: me and I'm like, yeah, that's that's dope. That's cool. 638 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: Like he's wrapping it, but it's not clicking right. And 639 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: then a few months after we finished the movie and 640 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: his album drops and Brenda's Got a Baby comes out, 641 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: and I'm like, as soon as I heard the lyrics, 642 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's the joint, and blew my mind. 643 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: That was Brenda's Got a Baby's dope. Incredible. So that's 644 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: you know that that could kind of wrap pop up 645 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: in um, not that you ever could. But he was 646 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: just a beautiful person. Man. He was a powerful brother, 647 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: way more well read than what people I would think, 648 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: especially for you guys were young. Yeah, we were young. 649 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: But he was very intelligent, like very very intelligent, like 650 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: book read, I mean you know what I mean, and 651 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: and um, but he was driven, man. He had a 652 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: purpose and and um, and he had a mission. You know. 653 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, even like what ended up 654 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: happening in the park. I was kind of mad at 655 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: Poc for and I know that's weird to say, but 656 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: I mean, like for having allowed that to happen. Like, Yo, 657 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: you were supposed to be here with us. You were 658 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: supposed to be here. We're supposed to grow and evolve. 659 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: You know, sh it happens. But I'm just saying, like, man, 660 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: because I saw a POC the night he got shot. 661 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yeah? Man, I saw popped it. So 662 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: we were all in Vegas for the fight, me Malin, 663 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: other boy Mitch. I think other boy e Willis was 664 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: with us. And which is a kid because you're the 665 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: one who got the juice. Yeah, that's my bro, right, 666 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: So we um we go to the fight. We don't 667 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,959 Speaker 1: know any of these things just happened, you know, with 668 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: with popping children, all of that. We don't know. We're 669 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: staying at the same hotel. We didn't know that either. 670 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: We're staying at the Luxor and we pull up in 671 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: a cab and you see this crowd hundreds of dudes 672 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: around or whatever, and we're getting out. We're about to 673 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: go upstairs and change, you know, go party or whatever. 674 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: You hear that voice, I was like, oh, yo, that's Pop. 675 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: And I hadn't seen po probably at that point in 676 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: like two years, so you know, I didn't know they 677 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: just had a fight. I don't know none of this. 678 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: So I just go up into the crowd and he 679 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: had his back turn and I just pushed the mad heart. 680 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: When I think back to this now, I'm like, I 681 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: could have just got the pulp beat out of me 682 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: because they think, you know what I mean. But I 683 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: pushed him and he turned around what's you know? And 684 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 1: we hugged and everything, you know, just after what turned 685 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: out to be that fight. Right this is right after that, 686 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: right before this is right before he gets in the car, 687 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: so you know, we're chopping it up. It's like, yo, 688 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: you know what what you're doing? Man? All right, let's 689 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: get up later. He was like, yeah, we're going to 690 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: this party, all right? Yeah, maybe we hit We hit 691 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: you all up after that and so we ended up. 692 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: I was talking to him probably for like a half 693 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: so we didn't even go up, says and changed were 694 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: just like, all right, let's just jump back in the cab. 695 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: And we jumped back in the cab and went like 696 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: to eat or something. We ended up not going out 697 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: and then then after we go eat, we're like, all right, 698 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: let's go out, and traffic on the Strip was just 699 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: at a stand still because the shooting that happened. We 700 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: didn't know the shooting that happened, but we was like, yo, 701 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: what's were in this cab for like forty five He 702 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: was like, Yo, let's just go back upstairs and chill. 703 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: And then we found out E came in like five 704 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: in the morning knocking on the door like yo. I 705 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 1: was like, yopo got shot, and we was It's bizarre 706 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: because we were all like we paused, and then he 707 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: was like, ah, he'd be I he always getting shot. 708 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: But then like an hour later and once you saw 709 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: it on CNN and like the severity of damn yeah, 710 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: crazy man, that's fucking crazy man, crazy bro. But it 711 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: was just like, damn man, Like pot was. It would 712 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: have been great to see him evolved, especially as an actor. 713 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: As an actor, because he was nice. He was so good. Oh, 714 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: he was so good, and he had so much in 715 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,439 Speaker 1: him specifically I'm talking about specifically as an actor. Oh, 716 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: he could have did some incredible things, man. I agree. 717 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: I mean when I saw you guys in Juice, you know, 718 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: one of my favorite scenes. I would put it in 719 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: one of my time. I've talked about it on this show. 720 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: I've talked about it before. I've stolen ship from his 721 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 1: performance and juice. I mean, one of my favorite scenes 722 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: I would say in top ten scenes in movies is oh, 723 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: when you guys, when he first bugs out, when you 724 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: guys are watching the TV and he's like, fuck, chill big. 725 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: If you won't respect you gotta earn it. You damn right. 726 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: You gotta be ready to go, damn stand up and 727 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: die for that ship like Blizzard did. If you want 728 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: some juice, listen, listen, ain't sticking up to nothing now 729 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: that we watch it there to back him up if 730 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: it was five that nigga instead of one specifically that 731 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: like and I'm fanning out because like, but when you 732 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: were on the set of that, like that scene, what 733 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: what was that scene written as? How much was improv 734 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: between you guys if you remember, like you know, because 735 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: that's like an iconic scene. And then the other iconic 736 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: scene is while you you guys are buy the lockers 737 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: and the way like the camera moves and he's like, 738 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: you know what I am crazy? Uh? You know you 739 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: said I was crazy before. UM, but like, what do 740 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: you remember, like a specifically about that first scene when 741 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: you were shooting it, when we was it was intense 742 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: now so we was that like an audition teams, like 743 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: one of one of the scenes that you did over 744 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: and over and over like through the auditions. I don't 745 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: honestly don't remember that. Um. But we basically freestyle juice, 746 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because the original script was 747 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: like you know, Ernest and those guys a little bit older, 748 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: so a lot of the verbiage was not yeah, it 749 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: was like jove Turkey like no, I was not. He 750 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: was like, Yo, that's not what it's gonna be. But 751 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: shaft And so you know, we would as you know, 752 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: like as a as an actor, especially being that young, 753 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: and it's like, yo, were just kind of finding the 754 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: improv and now the beach were there, you know on 755 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: the paper in terms of all right, you know, story 756 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: points like we gotta get that information out, say this, 757 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: say that, but a lot of it and I know 758 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,280 Speaker 1: for sure, like with Pac was just it was just poetry. 759 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: He would just find it. So it was fun because 760 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: you didn't necessarily know what, you know, what he was 761 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: gonna come with. What I'm gonna come with, you know 762 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: what I mean? And we would. It was a When 763 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: I think back to that, it was like it was 764 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: an interesting um experience, like as a as an actor 765 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: because it's you know, Bishop was that character. He has 766 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: all the the things he's gonna he's the crazy one. 767 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: He can say the craziest things he can blah blah 768 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: blah blah. So how do you how do you have 769 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: a presence in that without trying to compete with it? Right? 770 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: You know what I mean what I'm saying. So so 771 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: it's like that's where that's the zone I was. It's 772 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: not crazy like, but then the actor and the person 773 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: you're like, you're like, I know exactly what. It's a 774 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: fine line because it's like you know I had for Q. 775 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: He had to bring it to you know, but it 776 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: was a different a different way. And and at the 777 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: end of the day, it's like, and I tell h 778 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 1: aspiring actors when I talk to them, you know, it's 779 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: one of those things where you have you really have 780 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: to be in character because it's not a sport, it's 781 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: not a competition. You know, it doesn't work that way, right, 782 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: You have to you have to anchor the character for 783 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: the betterment of the story, right, you know what I mean. 784 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: So just when you look back at like that, that 785 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 1: scene was in that scene was intense, and I remember 786 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: Jermaine just was kind of wide I because you know, 787 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: Pac was unpredictable, so he might go this way, might 788 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: go that way, you know, and his levels of of 789 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: of intensity with just go up and down and up, 790 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 1: you know. And Pac was on some method, was he. Yeah, 791 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: he was on some method acting like and we was 792 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: on that back you know for certain scenes, you know, 793 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: you know how it is like all right, we were 794 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: busting out fifty push ups, right, let's do this. All right, 795 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: let's do it back, you know what I mean? And 796 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: um man, I remember so much. You know, it's nothing 797 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,479 Speaker 1: like it first. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nothing like it first. 798 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: And for me it was like again, I looked back 799 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: on it now and it's just like surreal, you know, 800 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: because I was I was taking the train and set right, 801 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, and at that time I lived all the 802 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: way out and started city in like East New York. 803 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,359 Speaker 1: So you know, there's a little budget movie they didn't have. 804 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna drive out there and get you. 805 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: So I ended up staying with the first a d 806 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: oh ship while we're film because he lived right by 807 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: the brook and Bridge and we filmed in Hall. So 808 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: it was like, yo, that that's too long for you 809 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: to get Can you stay with him? I did that. 810 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: You're agus Norton right now? Cool? He said, he's enjoying it. 811 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: That's crazy. I had to turntables in the in the 812 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: crib because your character DJ had you DJ before I 813 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: had DJ before. It was like your DJ coach, DJ 814 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: Scratch Scratch was your guy m D DJ one of 815 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, Scratch, you know, taught me how to 816 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: and he it was basically his cuts what was in 817 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: the movie, right, So I kind of just practice mimicking 818 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: his cuts and that's a you know this this is 819 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: real DJ and not like serato. So yeah, it ain't 820 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,839 Speaker 1: for everybody. Yeah, it's hard, right, it's really hard. Um, 821 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: but you know, like you know, like left hand right hand, 822 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: like you know, ambidexterous weird ship like I tried to 823 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: do it. I'm like, I don't think when you're doing 824 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: all that crazy ship, like it's some coordination ship. Yeah, 825 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,879 Speaker 1: but it's it's for certain people, right what I mean. 826 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: So it's like it gives you a deeper appreciation of 827 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: cats like Jazzy Cheff, you know, like legendary, right, you 828 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: know DJ where they can make that second orchestra, they 829 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: could do whatever funk they want. Incredible. But yeah, man, 830 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: that was you know, you know, juice always hold a 831 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: special place in mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, when you when 832 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: you look and you see like you know, there's paintings 833 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: of it, there's T shirts of it, there's T shirts 834 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: of you, there's teachers, the tupactors, t shirts of you know, 835 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: the whole cast that that look. You know, you're the 836 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: one who's got the juice, the the eric being rock 837 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: Kim song, you know, the legend. Like when you look 838 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: back and only like now are you able to have 839 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: like a perspective like God, I did something that was 840 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: fucking like that's like something to be a part of 841 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 1: and ship. Yeah. Yeah, I'm very proud about it, you 842 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean, because it's it's it's so amazing 843 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: to see like it the younger generations on it, like 844 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: it just came out, you know, And that's that's been 845 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: for me like the most powerful thing because you know, 846 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: we we get opportunities which we all try to do 847 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: great work and stuff like that, and and you wanted 848 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: to be profitable and all that and um, but then 849 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: when it's like if if you're fortunate enough to look 850 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: up and it's you know, twenty something years later, and 851 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: it's like, man, people still love that thing. That's an 852 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: amazing feeling. Um, you mentioned Sidney Party eight. Like, now 853 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: there's so many, um, successful black actors and actresses, you know, 854 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: just like your generation and your contemporaries, whether it's Marlon Wood, Harris, 855 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 1: Morris Chestnut. Uh, you know, obviously you know pack most stuff. 856 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a there's a lot of dudes, 857 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, Chadwick Boseman, these are younger dudes. There's so 858 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: many sort of references. There's you know, obviously Denzel being 859 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 1: the Kreme de la Creme with Morgan Freeman and Samuel Jackson. 860 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: You know. But when you were coming up you mentioned 861 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: Sidney Portia. That's like, you know, at the time in 862 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: the late eighties, mid eighties, when you're in high school, 863 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: he's not popping, he's like, you know, he's older. You know, Like, 864 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: so what was your reference? Like who are you looking 865 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,280 Speaker 1: up to? Who were you excited by? Beside Sydney Portia? 866 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: Because there wasn't that many dudes. Like now there's there's 867 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: a lot and it's it's gone so much further and 868 00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: you're one of those people. But who else were you 869 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,839 Speaker 1: sort of like I want to be like that? That's 870 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 1: an interesting question. Um. For me, I can't say I 871 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,320 Speaker 1: had that reference because you're right, because it really weren't, 872 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, I mean outside of like all the actors 873 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: that was in Spike Lee movies or you know, we're 874 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 1: seeing those guys come. But for me, it was it 875 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: was portier because just as a kid, you know, watching 876 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: Raising in the Sun and just watching and at that time, 877 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: it's like you had to wait for it to come 878 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 1: on TV, you know what I mean, and it's like 879 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: on the Saturday afternoon it's black and white. Um. There 880 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: was something about his presence and his power that spoke 881 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: to me. Um. So for me, like at that point, 882 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: I was more looking at like sports for that I 883 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: got you, you know what I mean, Like that vibe, 884 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: this is m J, this is you know, I got you. 885 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 1: So I'm looking It was about the energy I got 886 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: an actor like I was really like super intense and 887 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: focus and I felt like I had to I had 888 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: to be that guy. I got you for myself. I 889 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: got you man. Yeah, that's interesting because it's changed so 890 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,839 Speaker 1: much for the better. I mean, like just the people 891 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: that I named at the Tommy that's like obviously Wesley 892 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 1: was like but even but when you when you auditioned 893 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: for Laguardi, like if I the time, like what, it 894 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: wasn't popping like he started playing, you know, like a 895 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, like he was like eight eight eight, and 896 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: even then it wasn't like you know, and denzels On 897 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,839 Speaker 1: saying elsewhere, all right, he's on, but he wasn't like 898 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: and then your jaw is not dropping it like his, 899 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: like the skills level like this fucking guy. You never 900 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: would have fucked that guy. But that guy is a 901 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: good actor to turn into one of the best to 902 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 1: ever do it. So it's an interesting sort of like 903 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, like what you had your focus on. You've 904 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: played in higher learning. We mentioned you know, track, major League, 905 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: you to baseball, um loving basketball, and and this is 906 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,799 Speaker 1: when you're young, You're like, I'll do whatever you wake up, 907 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: you'll do with a trainer, like all these athletic roles, 908 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: Like is that is that ship like a pain in 909 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: the ask, Like I mean, like a brave because like 910 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: you like, dude, like you can play baseball. I'm sure 911 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: you can hit a baseball properer. You know how to 912 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,920 Speaker 1: look like it, you know how to run track when 913 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: you're doing love of basketball, Like they got you with 914 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: a basketball, dude, and you're like, you're all basketball all 915 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, I mean that was that was That 916 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: was tough. I mean, it just happened the way that 917 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 1: it happened, you know. After I did the program, which 918 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: I've had a blast, Yeah, that's football and against so 919 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,800 Speaker 1: growing up I played football, So for me, you're a 920 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: little bit more comfortable with that. And I'm like a 921 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 1: kid in the candy store. I'm kind of getting to 922 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: live out one of my little dreams what I mean, 923 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, getting into you know, real hits and all 924 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 1: of that. And then Major League. So the writer and 925 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,760 Speaker 1: director for the program, David Would he had also written 926 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: and directed Major League and so when we were getting 927 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 1: to the end of doing the program, he came to 928 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: me was like, hey, you know, I'm doing a sequel 929 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,439 Speaker 1: in Major League, Like would you be down? And I 930 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: didn't want to do it, but I felt like a loyalty, 931 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: like hey, this guy gave me my second job, because 932 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 1: did you not want to do because like the Wesley 933 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: comparison just didn't understand. I was just like the West, 934 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: like didn't Wesley playing that, you know, And I'm young, 935 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,959 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't want to do another sport. 936 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to get type you know what I'm 937 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 1: thinking all those things. But I'm like he was just like, 938 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's not gonna happen with Wesley, so I 939 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: want you to do it. And I was just like, 940 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: all right, I'll do it, you know what I mean. 941 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 1: And then you know, higher learning just happened to be 942 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: they say, hey, he's on the track scholarship. Okay, So 943 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: I was out there at U c l A again 944 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,400 Speaker 1: with a different trainer. Um. Loving basketball was tough. Um. 945 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: I love watching basketball, but it's not necessarily my favorite 946 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 1: sport to play. And it's like, it's cool. It's one 947 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: of those things where you know, if you're filming a 948 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: football movie, you know, when the cameras are rolling, it 949 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,759 Speaker 1: is what it is because I can I can hit 950 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: or I can take the hit. With basketball, you can 951 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,879 Speaker 1: hit every shot when the cameras are not rolling. When 952 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,240 Speaker 1: they come on, you miss every shot, right, that's annoying 953 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: and I'm competitive, so I kind of had that pride, 954 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 1: which is just like you know when you're on set 955 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: filming and then they bring in a hundre a extras 956 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: and you know, people talking ship right, and it's like 957 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: and they see you like, oh yo, he could really 958 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: pull up. And then when the cameras come on, they're like, 959 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: well right. So it was a lot of that, but 960 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: I have fun doing that movie too. Um. I mean 961 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: there's so much that I could talk about, Like, you know, 962 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 1: you've done so much stuff, you know, like TV, but 963 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 1: I mean you like like I've always like felt a 964 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,400 Speaker 1: camaraderie to you, Like I've always been like happy to 965 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: see you do your ship and you've evolved with uh, 966 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, the times and television and all that stuff. 967 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,480 Speaker 1: Before I get to the book, I want to talk 968 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 1: hip hop because I know you're a hip hop dude, 969 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 1: like you used to rhyme. Yeah, you know, like I 970 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 1: just know you're a fan like from like even like 971 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: with the NA ship. Um, let me ask you the 972 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: obligatory question. You know what this obligatory question is, right? 973 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: All right? Excluding Tupac and excluding Biggie okay, because he's 974 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 1: bed styt dude. Uh, let's say obligatory Omar Epps today 975 00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: And I know you don't want to leave anybody out. 976 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: And you know it's today, it's crazy anniversary of reasonable doubt. 977 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy, it's fucked up. I'm like like, wait, 978 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,360 Speaker 1: wait at the time, go motherfucker so so so I 979 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: want to get the obligatory and I'll let you get 980 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,880 Speaker 1: a cherry on top. Obligatory Omar Epps. Your favorite m 981 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 1: c s. They could be from now, they could be 982 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,360 Speaker 1: and if you want to do eight and you just 983 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 1: get on the roll. But it's the obligatory question. I 984 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 1: gotta ask excluding excluding pocket big excluding. Yeah, they they 985 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: can't be on the list. They can't. They can't be 986 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 1: on the list. So we're gonna go j ok We're 987 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:44,160 Speaker 1: gonna go nas Okay, we're gonna go rock Camp. I 988 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:50,759 Speaker 1: think we gotta go Kane, Long Live the Cane. I 989 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: think we gotta go Cane. Your bed started, dude, that's 990 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:58,840 Speaker 1: like and I think see now I'm thinking, like, hm, 991 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,040 Speaker 1: who would be five? Don't play Kate any of these 992 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: these these good motherfucker thinking. I'm gonna tell you, honestly, 993 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,880 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking is I'm thinking little Wayne, I'm thinking 994 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: coolgi Rap. Then I'm thinking KRS. So it's I don't know. 995 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,600 Speaker 1: That last spot is probably a medley of a few people. Okay, 996 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: I'll let you take all those because it's a tough question. 997 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,239 Speaker 1: Real quick, Kane, You're a bed style dude, and it 998 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,279 Speaker 1: was just these anniverses. I don't know who keeps track 999 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: of these fucking anniversaries, but somebody keeps because they'll do 1000 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 1: like they won't just do the anniversary, They'll like the 1001 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 1: thirty third anniversary, the twenty second, twenty second anniversary, and 1002 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: six months long Live the King just turned thirty years. 1003 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 1: So as a bed stye dude and as a fan 1004 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 1: of hip hop, yeah, you're also like, you know, when 1005 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 1: you started, it was like the Albie shore Ship. You know, 1006 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,439 Speaker 1: it's like light skinned dudes you came in. Yeah, Kane 1007 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 1: had the good hair and you know at his currly 1008 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,800 Speaker 1: Caribbean ship. I was in high school because before I 1009 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,359 Speaker 1: went to I was in a RAS with Special A, Yeah, 1010 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,920 Speaker 1: which was a fucking nuthhouse. So so just real quick, Kane, 1011 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: especially as a bed styde dude, and you know, little daddy, 1012 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 1: what is big Daddy Kane mean to you speak on Kane. 1013 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,520 Speaker 1: Kane is is one of my heroes, like in a 1014 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 1: sense of you know what what he spoke to not 1015 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,799 Speaker 1: only just black man but at the time, like you know, 1016 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 1: brown skin, you know, young black men, and he was 1017 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 1: smooth with it, you know, but he was just so 1018 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,840 Speaker 1: nice lyrically he could spit with a lot of people 1019 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,839 Speaker 1: well they would know from that time. But Kane also 1020 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,320 Speaker 1: put on the hell of a show like this wasn't 1021 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,400 Speaker 1: just you know, a dude with a mike walking around, 1022 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,879 Speaker 1: you know, he had scoop and scraps. So you would 1023 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,040 Speaker 1: just see the performances and be blown away. But for me, 1024 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,040 Speaker 1: it was just like Kane, you know, Bobby Brown and 1025 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,760 Speaker 1: um Dwyane Wayne from a different work ca dem artist. 1026 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,960 Speaker 1: It was just like all right, that squad, you know 1027 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 1: because to your point at the time and this is 1028 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,840 Speaker 1: all jokingly, but and then you know, Ain't was from Brooklyn, 1029 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,239 Speaker 1: you know, and came and so he would he was 1030 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 1: so Brooklyn. He was so Brooklyn and he would be 1031 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, trying to drop knowledge. He then you know, 1032 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,560 Speaker 1: he came with the battle you know, battle rap type flow. 1033 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,239 Speaker 1: But his first album, like I remember the first time 1034 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: I heard Ain't no half stepping. It was like it 1035 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,600 Speaker 1: was like you felt like you heard like this was 1036 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 1: something from a different planet, Like what is that? You 1037 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And then he was like, yo, 1038 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,120 Speaker 1: that's Kane and you see the video and you're like yeah, 1039 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: because it's back then, video still meant something. So you 1040 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,719 Speaker 1: would hit a song and then you would be clamoring 1041 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 1: to see the video, you know, and then the video 1042 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 1: like better deliver, you know, you gotta whack video. We're like, 1043 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,439 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, but this is back then too. 1044 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 1: We're we're just hearing the song meant something, and you know, 1045 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,200 Speaker 1: you pop your tape in, you know they played on Mr. 1046 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: Magic or something like that you recorded, you know, in 1047 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,439 Speaker 1: the double cassette, and then we're just playing it back 1048 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,239 Speaker 1: over and oh and then your tape pop right, you 1049 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean, and you get mad. But Kane 1050 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,960 Speaker 1: was dope man rock him another one of my heroes, 1051 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,759 Speaker 1: like just lyrically, you know, it was it felt like 1052 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 1: when I was a kid listening to those guys, it 1053 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,880 Speaker 1: felt like eating the plate a home cook food versus 1054 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 1: going to like McDonald's, Like the stuff would go way 1055 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,759 Speaker 1: over your head. And then it's like two months later 1056 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 1: you saying a line, or you in a situation or 1057 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: conversation with somebody in that line come up and you're like, oh, 1058 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 1: that's what he meant, you know what I mean? Like 1059 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 1: I missed that, you know, in the music and you 1060 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: know Public Enemy, you know, Chuck d And the messaging 1061 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 1: was so powerful because when you think back to that time, 1062 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:51,319 Speaker 1: like man, the unity was strong, you know, just amongst us, 1063 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,840 Speaker 1: the unity was strong, and people in the community cared, 1064 00:53:55,560 --> 00:54:00,319 Speaker 1: the village was raising the child, you know, and and 1065 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,080 Speaker 1: that music reflected that, you know. So for me, I 1066 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,880 Speaker 1: don't knock the young dudes now, like you know, you 1067 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 1: could bop to some of it whatever, but there's no 1068 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,719 Speaker 1: there's like for me, I rock with now like Kendrick 1069 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,439 Speaker 1: you know, J Cole, like casts like that, Meek Mill, 1070 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 1: like you know what I mean with that's because I 1071 00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,200 Speaker 1: get that energy and get that vibe from them, you know, 1072 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,360 Speaker 1: in this you know this time, and they're speaking of 1073 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,680 Speaker 1: their issues, but I get that like, yeah, that's that feeling, 1074 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, And and I get it from what I 1075 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,279 Speaker 1: get it from the cast. I don't get it from 1076 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,560 Speaker 1: I don't knock it. It's just not my bag, right, 1077 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,719 Speaker 1: you know. Um, alright, because I mean, I I gotta 1078 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 1: have a whole iron Wrap ports stereo podcast. We could 1079 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,719 Speaker 1: just go hip hop down, but I like it, just 1080 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,279 Speaker 1: wanted to like slice into it. So I read your 1081 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:49,480 Speaker 1: book from Fatherless to Fatherhood, and um, it's very emotional 1082 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,759 Speaker 1: and you know, knowing you and knowing how you have 1083 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 1: presented yourself and you know, like you're a low key 1084 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,960 Speaker 1: dude like this is like it's so revealing because you 1085 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,000 Speaker 1: like you play close to the best, like your chill, 1086 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,839 Speaker 1: like you're a Brooklyn dude. Like like I'm like, you're 1087 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,440 Speaker 1: a Brooklyn dude. Like people like that are not from 1088 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,759 Speaker 1: New York. They're like, what does that mean? It's like 1089 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,359 Speaker 1: you don't know that much about Brooklyn dudes like Kane 1090 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,359 Speaker 1: jay Z Like it's just like a Brooklyn thing and 1091 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,000 Speaker 1: people like what the fund does that mean? But you 1092 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:18,359 Speaker 1: eat because it's like like Teddy Riley is alem dude, right, 1093 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:20,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. People be like what do 1094 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,480 Speaker 1: you mean? Like yeah, they wear leather jackets with the 1095 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:28,000 Speaker 1: cola talked talk like it's just a different It's just 1096 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 1: a different like you know, like I don't know if 1097 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,000 Speaker 1: it's still the same way like in the fire bros 1098 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,759 Speaker 1: like queens would be like, yeah, that's a queen's dude. 1099 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,360 Speaker 1: Nasa is a queen's dude, right, you feel me? Yeah exactly. 1100 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,640 Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, that's queen's do cool James and 1101 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,960 Speaker 1: older queens like it's it's just a different thing. And 1102 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,839 Speaker 1: then you know, obviously woo bro, Like I didn't even 1103 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,239 Speaker 1: know Statn Island had Motherfucker's apparently they have some ship 1104 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,719 Speaker 1: going on out there, and the Bronx had their like 1105 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, Fat Joe's tim down, so like, you know 1106 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,160 Speaker 1: the thing that was surprising about the book and I 1107 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,879 Speaker 1: didn't even know what it was. And obviously I got 1108 00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,440 Speaker 1: the cover. I was like, okay, this is this is 1109 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,040 Speaker 1: your book is in a like a story about like 1110 00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,759 Speaker 1: you know, this is very specific. Was it hard to 1111 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,239 Speaker 1: be so like revealing and personal and and just sort 1112 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:13,200 Speaker 1: of share like your emotions and like your vulnerability in 1113 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,160 Speaker 1: this book that you wrote and why did you do it? Yeah? 1114 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,480 Speaker 1: Well it's it wasn't hard to share my story. It 1115 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,480 Speaker 1: was challenging to tell it in the right way. Meaning like, 1116 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,880 Speaker 1: so if I asked you a rap tell me about 1117 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,520 Speaker 1: your life unwittingly, you'll probably just give me the cliff 1118 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,879 Speaker 1: notes because you know you and then I'll be like, yeah, 1119 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,440 Speaker 1: but how did you get from this? How did you 1120 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:34,919 Speaker 1: go from there? And it's like, oh, I gotta fill 1121 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,200 Speaker 1: in the details. So that part was challenging to to 1122 00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,279 Speaker 1: sort of look at myself in third person so that 1123 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,120 Speaker 1: the story is full. So you're crafting the story so 1124 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,120 Speaker 1: you you're not like, because you're right, you know all 1125 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,920 Speaker 1: the details and all the details. So I could just 1126 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,520 Speaker 1: write this thing. But it was just like, no, I'm 1127 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 1: really trying to give the reader the uh, the real 1128 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:57,919 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, this is really what 1129 00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,560 Speaker 1: you know I went through, and this is really what 1130 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,719 Speaker 1: I felt at this point. And you know what made 1131 00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 1: me Um, what made me want to write the book 1132 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,719 Speaker 1: was I had a moment with my son UM a 1133 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,520 Speaker 1: few years back when he was way younger. You know, 1134 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 1: I had worked one of them fifteen hour days. I 1135 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,440 Speaker 1: was tired. I came home. I just wanted to, you know, 1136 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,240 Speaker 1: have a glass of wine and go to sleep. And 1137 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,400 Speaker 1: wife he's like, yo, you know he's still up. Why 1138 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,080 Speaker 1: don't play one or whatever. I'm like, uh, like I'm tired, 1139 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, in my mind, and in my mind I 1140 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,680 Speaker 1: thought at least I'm here, and that thought just kind 1141 00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 1: of kept echoing, like what because obviously I love my son, right, 1142 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 1: so but I'm like, where did that come from? And 1143 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:46,480 Speaker 1: I started to think, man, did did somehow did growing 1144 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:51,360 Speaker 1: up fatherless? Had it crept into my fatherhood? And I 1145 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,480 Speaker 1: started this journey I wanted to explore that, you know, 1146 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,920 Speaker 1: and it became like an exploration of self, and it 1147 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,439 Speaker 1: just started coming out through this form, you know, and 1148 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,640 Speaker 1: and and and I realized like wow, man, like you know, 1149 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of young men out there that have 1150 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,400 Speaker 1: gone through the same I think, and especially in the 1151 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,440 Speaker 1: urban communities. I even say it in the book when 1152 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,160 Speaker 1: I'm like growing up, I only knew two of my 1153 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,200 Speaker 1: friends that knew their fathers and were so fucking crazy 1154 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,680 Speaker 1: and we thought they would have weirdos. Yeah that was 1155 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,760 Speaker 1: like huh. And so like your father's around, Yeah that 1156 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,520 Speaker 1: was unusual. That's bugged out. It's bugged out so for me, 1157 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,320 Speaker 1: for me, like I was like one of the things 1158 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, like obviously being around folks that have dealt 1159 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,880 Speaker 1: with the ship like I'm used to now, but I 1160 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,240 Speaker 1: remember like being young, I'm likely a father because my 1161 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,439 Speaker 1: father was around like I was, you know my parents 1162 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,120 Speaker 1: were words, but I pretty much live with my father. 1163 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,680 Speaker 1: But like the fact that your reality is so much different, 1164 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,600 Speaker 1: and it's so so fucked up to have that as 1165 00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,760 Speaker 1: a reality, you know. Yeah, I mean that's why it's 1166 00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,280 Speaker 1: like I dove in and you know, I'm ultimately you know, 1167 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,760 Speaker 1: I want. I want the book to be used as 1168 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,680 Speaker 1: a tool of inspiration and potentially even you know, some guidance. 1169 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,080 Speaker 1: I mean, to each his own, but maybe it could spark, 1170 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, some ideas. And what I really want to 1171 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,920 Speaker 1: do is change the narrative on fatherhood, you know, for 1172 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,640 Speaker 1: for all communities, because it's not you know, one interesting 1173 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,120 Speaker 1: thing about being out here talking about this book is 1174 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter the color, it doesn't matter the the economics. 1175 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,479 Speaker 1: Like it affects everyone I'm meeting, you know, older white 1176 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,560 Speaker 1: businessmen who are like, hey, yeah, I do have my 1177 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or whoever whoever. Um, So 1178 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,240 Speaker 1: I want to change the narrative where that's not cool. 1179 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,280 Speaker 1: Like if we're in the barbershop, me and you did 1180 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,400 Speaker 1: and the homie and we know he's not handling that, 1181 00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,120 Speaker 1: he's not allowed. That's not cool anymore. We're not overlooking 1182 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:53,720 Speaker 1: this anymore. You know, because I think not to get political, 1183 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,560 Speaker 1: but you know, people constantly hear people say we gotta 1184 00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,640 Speaker 1: take back our communities. We can't take back any community 1185 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,920 Speaker 1: without first taking back the family. And so you know, 1186 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,120 Speaker 1: it's just about creating a stable environment for a kid 1187 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,560 Speaker 1: and I and this is for women to like this. 1188 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,400 Speaker 1: The book is I think everyone can take something from it. 1189 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,400 Speaker 1: But I am unapologetically speaking to men because men are 1190 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,240 Speaker 1: fathers or men can become fathers. So whether it's you know, 1191 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,439 Speaker 1: a kid who doesn't have kids yet and he's thinking 1192 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,200 Speaker 1: about it, whether it's a dude who's gone wayward from 1193 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,760 Speaker 1: his fatherhood, whether it's a dude who's doing well in 1194 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,960 Speaker 1: his fatherhood, you know what I mean. It's it's for everybody, 1195 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,680 Speaker 1: um in any framly structure, you know, because it's not 1196 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,640 Speaker 1: about you know, traditional is traditional is what you make it, 1197 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, But if you choose to have a kid, 1198 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,240 Speaker 1: that's a lifelong commitment, you know. And cats don't They 1199 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,000 Speaker 1: really don't think about that. And you know, anything can happen, 1200 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, like my oldest daughter, she's nineteen. You know, 1201 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,720 Speaker 1: she just lost her mom. You know what I mean, 1202 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,720 Speaker 1: to cancer, God rest her soul. But that's something that 1203 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,800 Speaker 1: I would never in a million years factored in as 1204 01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,560 Speaker 1: a possibility because you're just thinking we're live in and 1205 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:10,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna live forever. And but as a father, I'm 1206 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,360 Speaker 1: I now, I am dealing with that right with my 1207 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,240 Speaker 1: daughter and how to like caddle, help her and comfort 1208 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,880 Speaker 1: her all of those things. And you because obviously had 1209 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,160 Speaker 1: a relationship with this woman. That's what I'm saying. So 1210 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,520 Speaker 1: like when cats, that's a grown up ship. This is 1211 01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,360 Speaker 1: a grown up ship. And when cats are you know, 1212 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, choosing to be with choosing to have a 1213 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,160 Speaker 1: child with a woman, It's like, yo, you gotta factor 1214 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,200 Speaker 1: in a lot of things. Um. One of the things 1215 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,360 Speaker 1: that you talked about like that, I was like, day 1216 01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,320 Speaker 1: fucking this is heavy. Ship is you know, And I 1217 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,120 Speaker 1: really think, you know, it's a good read. And I'm 1218 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,520 Speaker 1: saying easy read because I want to encourage people to 1219 01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,080 Speaker 1: read it and not to say that it's not very 1220 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,320 Speaker 1: well written. But I think it's good to say it's 1221 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,640 Speaker 1: an easy read because we're so we're so fucked up 1222 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,320 Speaker 1: a D D D out. I know, I am on 1223 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,880 Speaker 1: my phone like that Ship did something in my brain, 1224 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,400 Speaker 1: Like I think I've tweaked something with my brain right, 1225 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,840 Speaker 1: my attention is like funked up. Um. You you you 1226 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,160 Speaker 1: talk about like seeing I think it's after higher learning 1227 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,000 Speaker 1: or maybe juice. You talk about seeing your father. I 1228 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,280 Speaker 1: respect and admire that you were so open and honest, 1229 01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,680 Speaker 1: and I really think that, you know, this book could 1230 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,000 Speaker 1: have an impact. And you know, like like I said, 1231 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,640 Speaker 1: you know, like yourn icon. I know you're like what 1232 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,520 Speaker 1: you're talking about, you know, like you know whatever, but 1233 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,280 Speaker 1: like your roles and the body of work and the 1234 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,880 Speaker 1: kind of roles that you played, and the fact that 1235 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,720 Speaker 1: fans have gotten to watch you. Obviously they caught you 1236 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,439 Speaker 1: a one, but like I've gotten to watch you grow 1237 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,439 Speaker 1: up and grow up in your characters. You know, you play, 1238 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,280 Speaker 1: you play fathers now you play you know you're a 1239 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,640 Speaker 1: parent now like you're no longer the kid you know 1240 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,560 Speaker 1: you'd be, you'd be the Lawrence Fishburne character and you know, 1241 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,080 Speaker 1: like you'd be the professor ship. So I just want 1242 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,760 Speaker 1: to say, like, I'm just such a fan, you know, 1243 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,600 Speaker 1: I know we're friends and and contemporaries that I'm impressed 1244 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,200 Speaker 1: by the book. Um, I'm always happy to see you 1245 01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,680 Speaker 1: do your thing. I appreciate your brother, and I love 1246 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,080 Speaker 1: I love what you're doing. I love what you're doing 1247 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:10,080 Speaker 1: because it's just you. It's genuine and it's like, you know, 1248 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:16,120 Speaker 1: to take these new avenues and make something of them, 1249 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because we have something to 1250 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,040 Speaker 1: say to you know. So it's even you know, in 1251 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,919 Speaker 1: writing a book, people know this is from me to you. 1252 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,120 Speaker 1: There's no intermediary, no, and you you release it independently. Yeah, 1253 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,600 Speaker 1: self published? Why did you do that? Like that must 1254 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,000 Speaker 1: be a sort of a certain amount of pride in that, 1255 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,400 Speaker 1: because you know, you could get all I could get 1256 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,480 Speaker 1: a deal here, I could get you know, But to 1257 01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,680 Speaker 1: to do this and be like, yo, fucking I'm cutting out, 1258 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, like the this is my book, this is 1259 01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,200 Speaker 1: my voice. It's truly your story there, you know, like 1260 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 1: what inspired you to do that? Well? Originally, to be 1261 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,560 Speaker 1: honest with you, originally I wanted to self published. And 1262 01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,160 Speaker 1: then you know, you listen to the team and they're like, hey, 1263 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,640 Speaker 1: you should take this around town. And I did, and 1264 01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,400 Speaker 1: and I had a deal on the table, which I 1265 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,680 Speaker 1: was very humble and flattered by, but the business of 1266 01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:12,040 Speaker 1: it didn't make sense to me. And like jay Z, 1267 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:13,600 Speaker 1: I heard jay Z say that thing where he was 1268 01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,080 Speaker 1: just like, hey, I had to live my life to 1269 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,040 Speaker 1: write Reasonable Doubt. And I'm like, yeah, I had to 1270 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,440 Speaker 1: live my life to write this book. This is not fiction. 1271 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,560 Speaker 1: This is really what I lived at all. This is 1272 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:29,160 Speaker 1: firsthand on the business. And I was just like and 1273 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,600 Speaker 1: they just weren't willing to negotiate because I was like, 1274 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, I can go market myself. Guy, right, you're 1275 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,560 Speaker 1: not starting from zero, get it if you're starting from zero, 1276 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:45,200 Speaker 1: but kind of like starting halfway. So um, and they 1277 01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,800 Speaker 1: weren't willing to budge. I said, well, I'm gambling me, 1278 01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, and and get this out to the people 1279 01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,880 Speaker 1: and let it rock from there. It's dope. I love it. 1280 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,360 Speaker 1: I respect it. It's really hard, though, it's really I'm 1281 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,760 Speaker 1: sure it's hard. It's you know, it's it's it's mobbed 1282 01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,960 Speaker 1: up like any sector of businesses, the book industry. It's 1283 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,920 Speaker 1: what you know, you can't you know, you gotta let 1284 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,840 Speaker 1: the people decide, right. So what I've been very happy 1285 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,680 Speaker 1: with is thus far, everyone that's read the book is like, 1286 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,360 Speaker 1: this is great, bro, this you know, however, it hit 1287 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,200 Speaker 1: them like even speaking to a guy who grew up 1288 01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,480 Speaker 1: with his father and all that, people are still able 1289 01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,120 Speaker 1: to take something away, absolutely, you know, because it's very 1290 01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,720 Speaker 1: you feel the emotion in it. You know, there's times 1291 01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,880 Speaker 1: where you're like, you know, like, damn, this is like 1292 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,160 Speaker 1: this is crazy. It's crazy, you know, like to think that, 1293 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,200 Speaker 1: especially when you have a kid, like to to think 1294 01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,600 Speaker 1: that that would be a choice and you know that 1295 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,120 Speaker 1: someone would do um. And that's the key word not 1296 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,360 Speaker 1: to cut you off, is it's about the power of choice. Ultimately, 1297 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,560 Speaker 1: we can always choose to be better. You know, so 1298 01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,560 Speaker 1: when people say, well, how this, how that look? You 1299 01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,800 Speaker 1: can read every book in the world. You can. You 1300 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,240 Speaker 1: know you can. You can have you know, your father 1301 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,040 Speaker 1: or your parents in your life. There's no particular blueprint. 1302 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,320 Speaker 1: Once you have your kids, it's you're making your own blueprint. 1303 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,160 Speaker 1: But before you do that, you have to make a choice. 1304 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,880 Speaker 1: So the choices like, you know, there's nothing in the 1305 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,240 Speaker 1: world that would keep me away from my kids. I 1306 01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,560 Speaker 1: want to you know, it's about and it's also about 1307 01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,800 Speaker 1: activating being active in your fatherhood because then I'm in 1308 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,240 Speaker 1: the book I'm speaking to. We've made leaps and bounds 1309 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,880 Speaker 1: in the community in terms of you know, taking care 1310 01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,120 Speaker 1: of kids and stuff like that. But guess what if 1311 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,840 Speaker 1: you've made something to yourself and you're just cutting the check. 1312 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,520 Speaker 1: That ain't it. That ain't either, you know, that's that's 1313 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,240 Speaker 1: kind of the easy way out too. It's about time 1314 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,800 Speaker 1: and effort, right, those those are the invaluable things your 1315 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,600 Speaker 1: kids are gonna remember the time you spent with you know. 1316 01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,160 Speaker 1: Um all right, but I'm gonna ask you one final question. 1317 01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:59,960 Speaker 1: We did obligatory uh top five actors, But you are extreme, 1318 01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,000 Speaker 1: You're you're as almost as accomplished as it could get, 1319 01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,160 Speaker 1: and you've got a lot more to do and all 1320 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:10,520 Speaker 1: that stuff. Omar Repps top five favorite actors and you 1321 01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:15,240 Speaker 1: if you do six, seven, eight, you could throw all right, Well, 1322 01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,880 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta lead with Denzel. He's ridiculous. Denzel 1323 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:25,720 Speaker 1: is ridiculous. He's fucking ridiculous, right, old school DeNiro, Boby D, 1324 01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:31,280 Speaker 1: Bobby D is nasty, nasty. Even in analyze this, he's 1325 01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:38,320 Speaker 1: fucking nasty. He's nasty. Um, I gotta put Pucino in 1326 01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,640 Speaker 1: there too. Old school Pacino is one of my favorite 1327 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,400 Speaker 1: actors of all time. He dog day afternoon when when 1328 01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,080 Speaker 1: you see al like like just from you because for 1329 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,560 Speaker 1: an actor's perspective, because you know, a lot of times 1330 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,400 Speaker 1: I get athletes on here and they talk about Kobe, 1331 01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,720 Speaker 1: they talk about Jordan's and I like to talk to 1332 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,920 Speaker 1: actors the same way, so specifically al when you like, 1333 01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,240 Speaker 1: what is it about al? Like, you know, you're saying dogs, like, 1334 01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,280 Speaker 1: what is it about him? Is an actor that resonates 1335 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,400 Speaker 1: with you? For me, it's it's the the power of 1336 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:10,520 Speaker 1: his silence. There's there's something, there's something that al Pacino 1337 01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:16,920 Speaker 1: has where he's not saying anything and he's saying everything. 1338 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:22,040 Speaker 1: And I feel like his rhythm or let me call 1339 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,160 Speaker 1: it a gear shift. You don't see his gear shift, 1340 01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:30,200 Speaker 1: and it's kind of uh scary when they do. He 1341 01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,320 Speaker 1: can go to fasters, slow down, he can do you 1342 01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:37,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Whereas like with de Niro, there's 1343 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,800 Speaker 1: his poetry. You kind of see the gear shift, you know, 1344 01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,160 Speaker 1: like you can you can feel, you can kind of 1345 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:49,720 Speaker 1: he's going there, you know what I mean. But um, 1346 01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,200 Speaker 1: that's that's what it is with Puccino, man, Like growing up, 1347 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:55,519 Speaker 1: I was just like, yo, this dude, his his acting 1348 01:08:55,640 --> 01:09:00,240 Speaker 1: is just so unique to me and just resonates with me. Um, 1349 01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:07,040 Speaker 1: two more, two more, I'm gonna go. Meryl Street. She's 1350 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:12,680 Speaker 1: a motherfucker. She's just he just got it. You know, 1351 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,840 Speaker 1: she's like the Beyonce of acting, if you have to 1352 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:21,600 Speaker 1: make that analogy. Um, she's really fucking good. She's incredible. 1353 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,240 Speaker 1: She's incredible. Yeah, so you know she gotta be like 1354 01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:26,600 Speaker 1: I don't know where, I've never met her, but she 1355 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:31,040 Speaker 1: gotta be crazy to be that good. Right, I agree? 1356 01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,240 Speaker 1: I agree. And it's not just actress I think like artists. 1357 01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,680 Speaker 1: When you see that, like you're like, yeah, Van go, 1358 01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:40,120 Speaker 1: of course he cut his ear off James Brown, you know, 1359 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,000 Speaker 1: of course he wound up with like he was nuts. 1360 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,880 Speaker 1: He was hearing things like that. If you heard that 1361 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,160 Speaker 1: kind of cacophony in your fucking head, right exactly, and 1362 01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,760 Speaker 1: you had to get it out and you're like, what, 1363 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,519 Speaker 1: it's gonna make you fucking nuts, brand like you see. 1364 01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,720 Speaker 1: But but I I totally agree with that. And it's 1365 01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,840 Speaker 1: not just it's the actors too, Like brand Oh, You're like, 1366 01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,280 Speaker 1: yeah he was this guy was breaking ground with what 1367 01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,519 Speaker 1: he was doing, right right, I was thinking about Brando. 1368 01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,200 Speaker 1: So I got one more? Right, yeah, one more? Now, 1369 01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:08,920 Speaker 1: anybody who you want, I don't care you can even 1370 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,120 Speaker 1: do five or six. I just I love talking. You 1371 01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,400 Speaker 1: can't you can't put a number. It's just the obligatory, 1372 01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,320 Speaker 1: like top five, who's your top five? It's such a 1373 01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:20,320 Speaker 1: stupid question because in art, like there's no winning. It's 1374 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,240 Speaker 1: it's who speak, that's who say it, who speaking to you? 1375 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's not you know, the Calves definitely lost 1376 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,800 Speaker 1: to Golden State. It's this person. Like I when I 1377 01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,640 Speaker 1: get asked this question, I say John Taturro because to me, 1378 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,400 Speaker 1: he speaks to me. Yeah, I love him as an actor. 1379 01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,200 Speaker 1: I would round out number five. I would. I'm gonna 1380 01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,920 Speaker 1: go ahead and put DiCaprio up there. I'm gonna go 1381 01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:46,760 Speaker 1: because the dude is just he's nice man. Leo is 1382 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,519 Speaker 1: nice and he's had great opportunity. I love the fact that, 1383 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:57,080 Speaker 1: like his opportunities have been so great, but he never fails. 1384 01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,479 Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes you see actors and it's like this 1385 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,160 Speaker 1: is the opportunity and it just kind of falls short. 1386 01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,439 Speaker 1: He's smart what he does and what I love about 1387 01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:10,800 Speaker 1: like he really commits. I admire that about him as 1388 01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,800 Speaker 1: an actor, like he you know, he goes all the 1389 01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,040 Speaker 1: way there. So I'm like, yo, that's super dope. We 1390 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,640 Speaker 1: we mentioned Tupac. Let me one more question. If I 1391 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,040 Speaker 1: threw one like actor at you while you were rocking 1392 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,439 Speaker 1: while you're on camera, or like in a scene where 1393 01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,240 Speaker 1: you were like, this motherfucker's really good. You know, they 1394 01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:30,720 Speaker 1: were just like because where you kind of like it 1395 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,479 Speaker 1: kind of took you out where you just like watched 1396 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,280 Speaker 1: them for a second, because you know, like we talked 1397 01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,920 Speaker 1: about sports, like sometimes like players were like I remember 1398 01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,439 Speaker 1: being on the court with Kobe and I'm just kind 1399 01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,120 Speaker 1: of like, oh, ship, there's Kobe. I've had experiences with 1400 01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,840 Speaker 1: with actors where I'm like this fuckers, like it could 1401 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,479 Speaker 1: just even just be a take. You're like, damn, this 1402 01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,120 Speaker 1: motherfucker's good. You know what's interesting about that is I 1403 01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:53,599 Speaker 1: haven't had that. Um. The first time I had that 1404 01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,960 Speaker 1: was when I was doing The House and it was 1405 01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:58,920 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you and now I'm gonna tell 1406 01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:03,479 Speaker 1: you why because I'm I'm so in my zone, like 1407 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,519 Speaker 1: it's like I got blinders on, but I'm present at 1408 01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,920 Speaker 1: the same time. And the only reason I was able 1409 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,959 Speaker 1: to do that in the House is because the format 1410 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,080 Speaker 1: it was a TV show. It's like so there would 1411 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,000 Speaker 1: be certain scenes where it's just like I'm over there, 1412 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,400 Speaker 1: and so it's like, yeah, I'm there, but I'm really 1413 01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,839 Speaker 1: just watching them, right, you could be with your cuticles 1414 01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,479 Speaker 1: and ship. Yeah, and man, it were It were more 1415 01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,839 Speaker 1: than a few times, like Hugh Laurie was dope. Yeah, 1416 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,120 Speaker 1: I had a great time working with because he was 1417 01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,599 Speaker 1: he was like he commits as well. Yeah, you know, 1418 01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,800 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that. Like there were a few times 1419 01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:41,120 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, stupid, it is dope, right, Yeah, 1420 01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,280 Speaker 1: he was, especially in that part he was fucking and 1421 01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,000 Speaker 1: it was like what is this like his his rhythm, yeah, 1422 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,280 Speaker 1: his he had a very it was like it was like, 1423 01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,920 Speaker 1: what's this fucking guy's story. Yeah, he had a very 1424 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:55,120 Speaker 1: unique rhythm and and but I think I obviously I 1425 01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,160 Speaker 1: was on the inside, so I got a greater appreciation 1426 01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,920 Speaker 1: because I know how much he was like his he 1427 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,200 Speaker 1: was working on so much to just be able to, 1428 01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,599 Speaker 1: you know, deliver that because he's speaking in a different accent. 1429 01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:12,559 Speaker 1: He was very concerned with nuances like cadence of certain words, 1430 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,559 Speaker 1: intonations of certain because he would say something and he's like, yeah, 1431 01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,840 Speaker 1: that's how he sometimes how do you say that, like 1432 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,400 Speaker 1: say it like this? And he was like, yeah, but 1433 01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,640 Speaker 1: why are they saying it like that? It's like, oh, 1434 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,639 Speaker 1: because that's you know, they're from the South or something, 1435 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So even that attention to 1436 01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:32,599 Speaker 1: detail um was was admirable. But yeah he was nasty, 1437 01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:37,160 Speaker 1: all right, Omar Epps, I urge everybody from father lest 1438 01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:42,240 Speaker 1: to fatherhood guys on shooter fucking guys you can watch 1439 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,680 Speaker 1: them more like oh sorts of repeats on TBS, t 1440 01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,599 Speaker 1: N T every guy, damn cable. Omar Apps, I appreciate 1441 01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,840 Speaker 1: you rocking me on the podcast, and good luck with 1442 01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:55,639 Speaker 1: every single thing else you do. Want to, once again, 1443 01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,599 Speaker 1: I want to thank Omar for a fantastic Iron Rapp 1444 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,040 Speaker 1: Reports stereo podcast of you continued success to my man 1445 01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,559 Speaker 1: Miles Jordan's take Me out of Here with a Smacker