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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing

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Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and fun.

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Speaker 1: If I were to do an intro that I included

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Speaker 1: all of the executive roles that this woman has held

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Speaker 1: and the amazing recognition that she's gotten throughout her career,

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Speaker 1: I would literally be here for days, Bosima or both.

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Speaker 1: Saint John has been a major for US in marketing

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Speaker 1: for some of the biggest, most successful companies around, corporations

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Speaker 1: like Pepsi, Apple Music, and.

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Speaker 2: Netflix, just to name a few.

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Speaker 1: She's not only used her experience in marketing to educate others,

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Speaker 1: but she also has shared her own personal brief story

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Speaker 1: to empower others to live an urgent and present life.

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Speaker 1: She also happens to be unbelievably fabulous and glamorous and

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Speaker 1: unapologetically herself. I am so thrilled she's on the pod today,

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Speaker 1: So every one, meet Boss Saint John.

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Speaker 2: I am so excited. So let's jump right into it.

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Speaker 1: You're like Gorge and you're doing it, so here we go.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about so many things,

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Speaker 1: but I think I first want to talk about sort

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Speaker 1: of like highlights of childhood like an amazing kid? Were

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Speaker 1: you dynamic? Were you like I got to get out

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Speaker 1: of here? Where were you born?

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Speaker 2: I mean? And I know, but I want you to share?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Well even before I get

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Speaker 3: to that, can I just tell you that I'm so

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Speaker 3: obsessed with the name of this podcast, Like I am,

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Speaker 3: I'm a real like marketing nerd. Yeah, you know, like me.

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Speaker 2: Too, I'm a closet marketing nerd.

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Speaker 3: I'm like I could, I will really like, don't take

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Speaker 3: me to a cocktail party and then like I get

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Speaker 3: stuck in the corner with somebody who likes a little

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Speaker 3: bit about marketing, I will goo. And so I saw

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Speaker 3: theme of this podcast and I was just like, this

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Speaker 3: is so damn brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, because you know what that means.

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Speaker 3: You know exactly what that means. You know how hard

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Speaker 3: that is. You know exactly the type of person we're

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Speaker 3: talking about. You know, we know the ambition that it's

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Speaker 3: going to require. Like, girl, if you slip a little

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Speaker 3: bit with that leg stiletto, grab mom with the other arms,

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Speaker 2: What I mean?

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Speaker 1: Correct, It's exact. And I always tell people it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, some of the amazing women I've had in here,

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Speaker 1: They're like, you know, I don't wear heels.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what this means? Like, you know

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Speaker 2: what this means.

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Speaker 3: You know what this means.

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Speaker 1: It's about embracing the powers of femininity and whatever that

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Speaker 1: means to you while you're crushing great.

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Speaker 3: This that's that's the whole thing. So that's what I

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Speaker 3: first one to say.

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Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It means a lot to me because naming things is everything.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the name, fabulous name. So how did I get here? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean listen, share as much or as little you

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Speaker 1: can give me the flash to like, really the meat

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Speaker 1: if you want, whatever, whatever works for you.

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Speaker 2: I just like to know why you're you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do feel like my child. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think everybody's childhood really does frame who they are. But

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Speaker 3: I think there's some people who really come into themselves,

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Speaker 3: even your forties. But I came to myself at twelve,

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Speaker 3: He was an immigrant from Ghana. My mom joined him

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I was twelve, random, seventh girl. Okay, seven, great.

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Speaker 2: Right when you're like boom teenager, cool girl.

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Speaker 3: And I'm also super tall. I've been like literally six

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Speaker 1: I just want you to know to me, that's like

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Speaker 3: Okay, but at twelve, you don't want to be six

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Speaker 3: I would have I would rather have been blonde, I

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Speaker 3: Cardas Breaks. But God bless my mother. God blessed my mother,

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Speaker 3: who in our household. She's a stay at home mom.

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Speaker 3: She was adamant about her pride for not just being black,

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Speaker 3: you know. But my mother was like, hey, look, when

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Speaker 2: Was make my friends, make my friends happy.

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Speaker 3: Look yes, and she was like, no, we're not going

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Speaker 3: I beg you like anything but that girl, let me

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Speaker 3: tell you how. My best friend, Summer okay, who was

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Speaker 2: Like it's like she's just oh, I have the visual.

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Speaker 1: You already have the blondest hair, the bluest eyes, the

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Speaker 3: Beautiful English. I got captain the cheerleading squad. That girl, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you said, thirty years later, you're still asking for my

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Speaker 3: This room is a little bit but I'm just like,

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Speaker 3: But my mom was like, girl, they are going to

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Speaker 2: You are not assessed with her. I'm obsessed with her.

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Speaker 3: She's also completely bald and fierce.

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Speaker 2: She's probably like stunning with not like a rink.

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Speaker 3: I've never lost. So it's like, as a marketer, it

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Speaker 3: I want everything about fashion, I want on everything about sports,

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Speaker 1: Like it's all important, right until they leave you, it's

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but that is the like give.

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Speaker 1: Them the confidence, get like, let them be them, try

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Speaker 1: and teach them. It's okay to beat them. So what

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Speaker 1: your mom did especially then, right because this is not

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Speaker 1: like good for her.

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Speaker 2: And also in the middle of Colorado Springs, so.

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Speaker 3: Okay, in the middle of Coado Springs to be like, girl,

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Speaker 3: we're not going to have pizza hut, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. She's like, no, we're not having pizza hut.

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Speaker 2: Having spinach still deal with that.

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Speaker 3: That's right exactly, And it's gonna be hot with Pepper

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Speaker 3: and your little white friends are gonna have their rosy

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Speaker 3: cheeks and you know what I mean, they're just gonna cry.

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Speaker 2: I love this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So how long did you stay there? Like at

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Speaker 1: what point did you peace out from there?

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Speaker 2: Where you were like I know?

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Speaker 3: Right? Well, you know, Here's what's so funny is that

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Speaker 3: people ask me where I'm from or like where's home?

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Speaker 3: I would say, you do, I'd say College Springs because

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Speaker 3: it feels like that those were the like formative.

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Speaker 2: Years, like where you became.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but it was only like five years of my life,

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Speaker 3: and so now I think about it, I'm just like, God,

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Speaker 3: what a small amount of time. But it was so

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Speaker 3: impactful to me as who I am that it's where

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Speaker 3: I say I'm from. Although I grew up in so

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Speaker 1: First of all, I think your next book should be

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Speaker 2: I repress that.

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Speaker 1: I think in living, whether you're in corporate or whether

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Speaker 1: Why why would one leave? And where do you go

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Speaker 3: of appreciating my opinion, you know, not letting me feel

433
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 3: like I was too young to have a good idea.

434
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 3: In fact, it was my idea that led him to

435
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 3: It was just again a confluence of moments. You know.

436
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 3: It's like he was pitching PepsiCo for their business, for

437
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: their marketing business, or a slice of it anyway, and

438
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 3: they were looking for, you know, the next new like,

439
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 3: you know, spokesperson, but can he wanted it to be

440
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 3: a black performer. And at the time, I was out

441
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 3: in the streets in New York City and Beyonce had

442
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 3: just left Destiny's Child Casual and people were hating on her.

443
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 3: You know, at the time, I think people don't remember that.

444
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: They were not happy.

445
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: They were not Like when John Lennon left the Beatles,

446
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 1: it was like a huge issue.

447
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: I mean they were literally, well, you're not going to succeed,

448
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, they were literally like, oh, you know, now,

449
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 3: you know, no solo artists has ever succeeded from a

450
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 3: girl group except for Diana Ross, and you're not gonna

451
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: be her, you know. And then she was also like

452
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: trying to act, and she was trying to do all

453
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 3: these things, and she was in a TV movie on

454
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: MTV called Carmen The hip hopera Okay, destroyed by critics.

455
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 3: I loved it. I thought it was brilliant, you know.

456
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Speaker 4: What I mean.

457
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 3: Like I was like, are you kidding me? Like we've

458
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,719
Speaker 3: got opera, and we've got like like classic opera, and

459
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 3: you got Beyonce singing it. Oh, and they're people rapping

460
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 3: as well, like this this is incredible, you know. And

461
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 3: Spike was asking people around the office, you know, like

462
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: who they thought would be great as the spokes for

463
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 3: us and this and that and folks you know, were

464
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: on the billboard charts. They were, you know, calling out

465
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 3: names all these big artists. And I was like, I

466
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: think Beyonce is it. And everybody was like I don't

467
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 3: think you know, she's not gonna blah blah blah blah.

468
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 3: But Spike listened to me. Spike, he knows, and he

469
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, we'll take a meeting with her. She

470
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 3: came in. I was always here, like, girl, you go

471
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 3: get them. You just you the baddest, you know, you know,

472
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: by the way, still friends with them, Still friends with

473
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 3: Miss Tina, and Miss Tina remembers that I was like, hmm, yep,

474
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: she's the one.

475
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,959
Speaker 1: Beyonce, the fucking queen and anyone who says otherwise, I

476
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: will fight too.

477
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 3: There were plenty of people who says she wasn't, but

478
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: Spike believed. And so by the time I was ready

479
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 3: to leave his agency, he had given me the confidence

480
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: that like, look, you're never too young to have the

481
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 3: best idea in the room, you know, like, you know,

482
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: because everybody else might have the criteria, might have the education,

483
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: might have the credentials, but if you have a great idea,

484
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 3: you're gonna win. Yeah, this is right. So when I

485
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 3: was ready to leave, at the same time, PepsiCo was looking,

486
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 3: you know, to hire some more people, and they were

487
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 3: going to do it in an untraditional way because usually

488
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: the marketers come from you know, the big you know,

489
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: like MBAs. And I was still over here with my

490
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 3: mcat that was about to expire, you know what I mean,

491
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 3: and like, oh, yeah, I'm not gonna go med school

492
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 3: and I'm definitely not getting an NBA. You can forget that.

493
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: So they offered me a job, which again it's like

494
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: Destiny came in to meet me again, and I was like,

495
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: oh my god, I think I have to take this opportunity.

496
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 3: Even though there's nobody else liked me because everybody else

497
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 3: came together in a class with their other NBA students

498
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 3: were interns, and then they got offers to be you know,

499
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 3: assistant brand managers.

500
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 4: Like there was a through the correct and here I

501
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 4: was climbing through the window talking about I'm a huge

502
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 4: believer of climbing through the window.

503
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: In fact, everything I've done in my life is probably

504
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: climbing through the window. I've never I don't have the

505
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: patience for this, you know, I don't.

506
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: I don't have it, Rachel, I don't. So now it's

507
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: like we're not just climbing in heels. We're climbing in

508
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: heels through the window, you know what I mean? Like

509
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: that we through the window.

510
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: That's how we came in a hundred and then but

511
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: then you like went on to like Uber Endeavor Apple

512
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 1: like nets, right, so you have like so is it

513
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: like you kind of go somewhere and you're like, Okay,

514
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm here for a reason and a purpose.

515
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do my thing.

516
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 1: And then when I'm like okay, we're good here, then

517
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: it's like we move on, yes right, yes.

518
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And I'm so glad for the experience because

519
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: the thing is that look looking back at my career.

520
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 3: People will be like, oh, this is great strategy, a

521
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: great plan, blah blah blah. You named all the companies,

522
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 3: c suite. I'm in the Hall of fame. I'm at

523
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 3: the Hall of achievement. I'm a bill board, like I've

524
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 3: got all the credentials. So, like, you know, for me,

525
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 3: it's like I have had a career which has just

526
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: been boom boom boom boom, boom, boom boom, right, but

527
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 3: people will look at it and be like, oh my god,

528
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 3: this is a brilliant strategy. I can't believe she moved here.

529
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 3: She moved here, she moved here. But Rachel, I promise you,

530
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 3: I promise you. It has been at my own pace

531
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: against a lot of advice everyone who has been like,

532
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: oh no, don't do that, don't go there. That company

533
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 3: is shit, that manager's terrible, that CEO is crazy, like

534
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: all of the things along my entire career even now. Okay,

535
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: so I'm like, thank God that the experiences I've had

536
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: have made me have to listen to myself and only myself,

537
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: Like I keep my own counsel. I don't ask anybody

538
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 3: for their advice on what career move. I should mean

539
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 3: thank God, because imagine if I listen to somebody else,

540
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 3: I'd be still sitting back overin middle management. Yeah, trying

541
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: to figure out who that I should wear today? False?

542
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: Is it a being here with you and my friend

543
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: in sequence and my hearings.

544
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: I want to talk to if I can love you

545
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: so much. I want to talk to you just quickly

546
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: about social media because it's something I get asked a lot,

547
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: sort of the impact on the fashion industry and everything

548
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: else marketing at this point, you know, as someone who

549
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: has sort of like you know, I've had those are report.

550
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: I've done all social media as I've done television, have

551
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: done all the things I wouldn't at this point. You know,

552
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: social media for me started as ten percent of my life.

553
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: Now it is I can't even say what percentage it

554
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: is because it's.

555
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: It's such a big part.

556
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: Of everything I do in terms of amplification. So being

557
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: that you are the queen, how like, what are your

558
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: thoughts on that? Because when you started it wasn't about that, right,

559
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: and so do you feel that it's only good? Do

560
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: you feel that it's like, I just want to understand

561
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that, because I have I have love

562
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: hates with it for sure, you know.

563
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, and fair, fair, But here's the thing I

564
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: think for me, social media is just another platform, yeah,

565
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: to tell us story, you know. So for me, it's

566
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: like I don't look at social media and think like,

567
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's like you know, the next worst thing,

568
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: or it's like the greatest thing ever. It's just another platform.

569
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: So it's like the point is that mastery of the narrative,

570
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: mastery of your story, mastery of the message, and then

571
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: figuring out what platform is going to work best on,

572
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: because let's not forget it that, like, you know, platforms

573
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: from like the Roman Empire are still available today.

574
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: You know.

575
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: It's like when they went in like tagged, you know,

576
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: like a sign in the town square. They're called billboards

577
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: and it's in Times Square right now. Okay, so I'm like,

578
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: look those things still exist.

579
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: Which I still by the way, very much same same. Yeah,

580
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: a bus, a bus side, a bus.

581
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: Side, Okay, some like graffiti, I believe, with all of

582
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: the stuff. So it's like social media is like the

583
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: challenge that we have right for creators like you, like me,

584
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: like whomever. It doesn't matter if you have seven million

585
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: followers or three hundred. It's that what story are you

586
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: telling and make sure it's appropriate for the platform that

587
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: you're telling it in. Because there's something that's going to

588
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 3: be really great for the Billboarding Times Square that's not

589
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: going to work on Twitter, or there's something that's going

590
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: to be really great on TikTok that is not going

591
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: to work on TV, you know. So it's like that

592
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: is actually where the mastery of marketing then plays, because

593
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, let me figure out what part of

594
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: the story works on what platform and then hit them

595
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: all at the same time like lasers, you know. And

596
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: that's how you get a complete and total picture where

597
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: you can shift the brand narrative where you can make

598
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: somebody go to them one on Billboard charts when they

599
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: have no talent. Sure, I'm not speaking about.

600
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: Anybody, listen, Listen. I was in New York City working

601
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: in the pop world when you were there. So I'm

602
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: just gonna say marketing plays a big, big role, big,

603
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: big big. I want to talk to you about The

604
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: Urgent Life. I want to talk to you about the

605
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: Urgent Life because I want to you know, I know

606
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: a little bit about why you wrote this book, but

607
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: I want I want to hear it from you because

608
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: I think it's important to share with our listeners, because

609
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: I really love the title. Like I said, I'm a

610
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: title nerd, but I want you to speak to it

611
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: a little bit because I think it's super important.

612
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you well. I've been asked to write

613
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 3: a book for some time because I think after like

614
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: I got my third C suite job, people were like, wait,

615
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: hold on, does she have like that? Can't just be

616
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: lust but have something so, you know, I was pitched

617
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: all of the books like I should write the you know,

618
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: the Corner Suite for Dummies, you know, girl boss in

619
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: the C suite, like, you know, all these time to

620
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: think that. I was like, you know what I could

621
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: do that maybe one day I will write the book.

622
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: But it felt like, look, you don't become fierce or

623
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: badass or like have the kind of grit that it

624
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: requires to get to these offices without having gone through

625
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: some shit.

626
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, without taking the buttered roll.

627
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: Oh, without taking the buttered roll, you know. And I

628
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: felt like a lot of times, leaders, especially in the

629
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: corporate world, hide their personal stories behind these walls because

630
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: they have to appear perfect. You know, you have to

631
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: appear like, oh, nothing is ever wrong. I never in doubt.

632
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: There's never a moment where I cry or forget what

633
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say or have a bad day. Like I'm

634
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: always the perfect leader. My teams are going to follow

635
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: me to the end, you know. And I'm just like,

636
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: but that actually is not how human beings behave. And oh,

637
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: by the way, everybody's lying. Sure. So I thought better

638
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: to write my memoir because I was like, you want

639
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: to get to the corner office. Well, first of all,

640
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: you have to face the demons that are in your life.

641
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: You also have to think about the ways in which

642
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: you are actually not the same person that you were,

643
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: and utilize all of those things to be a more

644
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: empathetic leader, a leader that people trust, you know, one

645
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: that people are like, Oh, she's been through something and

646
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: I'm going through something. I will follow her. I will

647
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: listen to her. She understands, you know. And so my

648
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: book The Urgent Life was really based on my traumas,

649
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: you know, the loss in my life, the ways in

650
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: which sometimes life has just shit on me. Ye, you know,

651
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: my need to live a really big life because my

652
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: husband passed away from cancer ten years ago, almost eleven.

653
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: Now just at the height of like, you know, I

654
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: was really starting to break through the ceiling, you know, crash.

655
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: And you had a young daughter at the time.

656
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, my daughter was four, and it was just like

657
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: one of those things where you're just like, oh my God,

658
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: like how okay? You know, I had put Beyonce on

659
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl halftime stage that year, and my career

660
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 3: was just Pa Pa pal sing it, you know. And

661
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: it's like, my daughter's four and we're you know, living

662
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 3: in Manhattan.

663
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: We're living our life. How does this happen?

664
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: You've got we got decades to go. And then he's

665
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: diagnosed with Burkett's lymphoma in May of twenty thirteen, which

666
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: is a blood cancer, and six months later he was dead.

667
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: And I it was just I don't even know how

668
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 3: to describe like it was just it was earth shattering.

669
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: It was devastating. It was all of the things, like

670
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 3: all the fear and hurt, and like I was mad

671
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: at God. My call was kissed, you know, and like,

672
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: what did you do this? Anyway?

673
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: He just fell into a crack in the earth. Yeah,

674
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: Like actually, you know, like actually I always say like

675
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: when those things happen, it's like if you had a

676
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: visual it's like you're standing there and you're happy, and

677
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the entire earth cracks beneath

678
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: you and you fall and you're like, write it.

679
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: That's it, that's it.

680
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: And it's like this black hole and you're like, how

681
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: the how do I get out of here? You know?

682
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: And it's why I do live an urgent life now,

683
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: because I'm like, it's not really about like speed and time.

684
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to like raise the clock. That's really

685
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 3: not what I want to do is live like the

686
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: fullest life that I can. And that's what the urgency

687
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: is about, because like, you don't know when we're going

688
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: to go, And I don't think that that's ay or

689
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: a sad thing to say. I just think because it's

690
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 3: very inspirational because I'm like, Earl, look, when it's my

691
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 3: time to go, you will know that I've been here.

692
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 3: You will know, you will feel it, and you'll be like, damn,

693
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: that's a good one lost, you know what I mean?

694
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: Because I'm living I'm living the biggest life that I

695
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: can and I refuse for anyone to tell me, oh,

696
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 3: you know what do it on the next one? Oh,

697
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 3: wait and do it later. Oh no, I don't think

698
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 3: that's right for you. Who are you talking to woo me? No,

699
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: you can't be talking to me like this is my life. Yeah,

700
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: this is my life. And so that's why it's like

701
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 3: when people try to deny me.

702
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: Anything, You're like, I'm sorry, no.

703
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 3: No, okay, I'm living my own urgent life. You should

704
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 3: live yours, and you're probably happier if you do that.

705
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I love it because the urgent life, like

706
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: it is such a profound statement, and it is something

707
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: that I don't think. I know, I don't live like

708
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: that enough. I know it here that we need to

709
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: do it. And I would say my parents are eighty

710
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: three and eighty seven. They live every day like it is,

711
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: and they have always. They have always They're like, we

712
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: could get hit by a bus tomorrow. We need to

713
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: do this. And I'm like, hey, you're gonna spend every

714
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: dollar you have, Like, oh my god. It's like there's

715
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: some gray area here, right, there's some middle ground here.

716
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: But I love it, and I think and I think

717
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: you're coming from this place of actual experience and why,

718
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: And I think it's a really good thing for us

719
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: to learn because you've been through it. You have been

720
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: through it, and I think we've all been through it

721
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: in different ways. But I think showing vulnerability as a

722
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: major player in any field, as a known boss badass,

723
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: there is this expectation that I'm not sure people put

724
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: on us, that we put on ourselves. Is I'm good,

725
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: We're good, I'm good, I'm fine, We're good. What do

726
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 1: you mean I'm not I'm I'm good.

727
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: Of course I'm.

728
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: Good, And you're basically like, it's cool to not be good,

729
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: and it's cool to like, you know, yes, yeah.

730
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: Yes, it's actually better.

731
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, because human The thing is.

732
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: That I am a better leader because I'm a widow.

733
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: I'm a better leader because I'm a single mom. I'm

734
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: a better leader because I have experienced, you know, someone

735
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 3: really close to me who died by suicide. I'm a

736
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: better leader because I have lost a child. Like I'm

737
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: a better leader because of so many things in my

738
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: life that have rocked me. And I've been able to

739
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: figure out, Okay, like, what's the ways in which I

740
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 3: come back to life? You know, so many times, time

741
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: after time after time, And so I have empathy for

742
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 3: the world, and I have empathy for people and I

743
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: will meet somebody and say, oh my god, like you know,

744
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: whatever you're going through, like okay, you take your time,

745
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: you do what you need to do, or maybe I

746
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: can help in some way, or the fact that, yes,

747
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 3: I have been the other in a room, I have

748
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: been the child of the immigrant where people are not

749
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: giving them the credit they deserve. You know. It's like,

750
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: I've been all of those things, and so I think

751
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: I'm just a better human for having gone through all

752
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 3: of these things.

753
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: And that's what you take from it, because you have

754
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: to write. It's really hard to find that silver lining

755
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: sometimes because you're like, fuck off, why did this hop been?

756
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: Like what?

757
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes? And sometimes there are those days too, yeah,

758
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 3: of course you know what.

759
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, literally every better and you're just

760
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: like why today?

761
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: You know?

762
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 3: But I do think that if we were all more

763
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: honesty about the depths of our pain, the fear in

764
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: our transitions, you know, joy and the triumph once you

765
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: finally get to the thing, without you know, being like,

766
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 3: oh you have to somehow fake humble, like what girl,

767
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: when I reached the mountaintop, I'll be the first one

768
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 3: who's up there, like.

769
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: I'm right.

770
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: Because I'm get in the valley. Are you kidding me?

771
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 3: You know how hard it was to get up there?

772
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 3: You know how climbing in heels? You know how hard

773
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: it was?

774
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 2: Wait to your six feet barefoot? Right? You're six feet

775
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: for right? And do you still wear heels?

776
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: I still wear four?

777
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: That is so mean.

778
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: See my real friends that are doll like you, they

779
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: were maybe a kid meal around me just to be nice,

780
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: and they duck, and they duck for me, they squat.

781
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 3: I will there's not one way on God's green earth

782
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 3: if you will catch me in a kid meal, okay,

783
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: in the weight.

784
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: So when I get to meet you, would hug you

785
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: in person. You're not gonna like, just do this a little.

786
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: Bit, just to no grandma. I'm gonna hug you to

787
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 3: my navel.

788
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: Okay right here, a fine fine, By the way, don't

789
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: kid yourself. I'm gonna text you pictures of me and

790
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: some of the models that I've worked with my career

791
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: where I literally come up to their hip. Their leg

792
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: is like to my actually like their their leg actually

793
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: ends at my head.

794
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, true story, true story.

795
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 3: I love it.

796
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: And so you are so next level and I don't

797
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: even know I know that you're probably gonna say you

798
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: have so much you want to do, so much left

799
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: to do, but I do. I am curious about what

800
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: is like now and what is like the next thing,

801
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: if there is a next thing, because I know you're

802
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: not taking a beat. I know there's no way you're

803
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: taking a beat, not in this urgent life.

804
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: Hell no, no, not in this urgent life.

805
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 4: No.

806
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: But that's the thing is that I've been so I

807
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: am really excited about every evolution that I have. You know,

808
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: I'm always so like I anticipated with a lot of joy.

809
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: And when I left Netflix, I was a global CMO.

810
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 3: To write my book, I thought I was going to

811
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: like take a little sabbatical, you know, I publish my

812
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: book and then go back. And it was really scary

813
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: to be like, oh shit, like I don't think I'm like,

814
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: I don't think I want to go back, you know,

815
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: And my ego was playing tricks on me, you know,

816
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: the like, oh, well but now I don't have this

817
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: big company behind me. Who the hell am I? You know,

818
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 3: like I walk into you and people like, oh that's

819
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 3: you know, that's the CMO of I don't have that.

820
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 3: So I was fighting that the identity shift.

821
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: Do I need that title. Do I need that title

822
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: to exist?

823
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 3: Yes, in order to validate who I am. And I

824
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: know that. You know, maybe a lot of people would say,

825
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 3: but oh my god, but you're so unapologetic, you're so fearless,

826
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: and I'm like, yeah, but I still got an ego. Yeah,

827
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 3: I still I still feel the pain of like identity

828
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: shift when something in your life goes away and therefore

829
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: you're no longer this person that you told the whole

830
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: world you were. I mean, yeah, there were days when

831
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: I literally sat in my bed and I was like,

832
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: I don't want to go outside. I don't want to

833
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: go to the party because people a going to ask

834
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: me what are you doing now? And I'm like, oh

835
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: my god, are you kidding me?

836
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: You know the worst question, by the way.

837
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 3: I hate that question.

838
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: I literally see.

839
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: It At every event I go to, there's someone asking someone, so,

840
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: what are you working on?

841
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: What are you doing now?

842
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: And it's that and behind it is that worry you good?

843
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: Yes?

844
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly like that.

845
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: I'm good.

846
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: I've been working for thirty fucking years, exactly exactly.

847
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: Look, I'm fine, you know. I started to answer like

848
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: all the you know, crazy things like I would say

849
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: stuff like oh, I'm working on a on a space

850
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 3: flight to March. And people would be like you are,

851
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: and I'm like, yes, bitch, I am.

852
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: And that sound yeah, They're gonna go really.

853
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, oh, I have an idea for you. No,

854
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: you don't sit down after taking the time from my book,

855
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: I you know, just sat back and really for the

856
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: I think, for the first time in my life, for

857
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: the first time in my career anyway, I was like,

858
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: what do I actually want to do now, you know,

859
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: not not necessarily like the linear climbing the ladder, but like,

860
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: what do I actually want to do? And I had

861
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 3: so many thoughts and so many ideas, and then opportunities

862
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 3: popped up for me, you know, whether it was like

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Speaker 3: just you know, speaking engagements that I started doing and

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00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 3: being able to communicate to other people how I do

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Speaker 3: this and how I did it, and you know the

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00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 3: motivation of it all, of course, and then I decided that,

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00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: you know what, I think, I definitely want to work

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Speaker 3: for myself. You know, I want to create my own company.

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Speaker 3: I want to create my own business. Like I've put

870
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Speaker 3: in so many years working for other people and building

871
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 3: their companies. It's about time, you know that I did

872
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: something for myself, and so I started exploring that, and

873
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: then I got the uh to talk to the producers

874
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, and I was like, bitch,

875
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:32,479
Speaker 3: what's out here? I come, you know, And it's it's

876
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 3: just it's such a fascinating life because.

877
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: Like you don't know what's coming around. No, you never know.

878
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: But it's like why not take the opportunities, like why

879
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: not jump into these you know, sometimes off the wall

880
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: wacky ideas like you know, try it. You know who

881
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 3: said I can't.

882
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: I could do anything I want and you could also

883
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: hold your own in that room.

884
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 3: You know, you better believe it, you know what I mean.

885
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 3: So I'm like, hey, look, this is a new opportunity,

886
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: a new place for me, a new time in life.

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00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm on like a third act or

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00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 3: ten or ten exactly. But I'm very excited. I mean,

889
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: I don't know that I can explain anymore that It's like,

890
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: I am so excited about this time in life. You know.

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00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: I think you take it that way.

892
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: I think this is sort of, as you said, like

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00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: new chapter in the book. And I feel like I

894
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I think you come up in

895
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: corporate there's an identity with that. It was at this

896
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, really major dinner over the summer with a

897
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: ton of badass leaders and CEOs and a very dear

898
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: friend of mine. For a really long time, she's built

899
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: countless companies and now she just kind of starts them

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00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: and like, you know, and she moves on and then

901
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: she goes, you know, for the first time, I don't

902
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 1: have a CEO title in front of my name.

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00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: And I literally but it was it was by choice.

904
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: But I said, and how is that?

905
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, some days it's creepy and awful and

906
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't know who I am. And some days there

907
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: is a relief and an excitement because I've never been

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00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: free from it, you know, And so I I and

909
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: she's so successful, I mean, I mean in every way

910
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: and happy. So I'm like, I think you need to

911
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: get there, you know, to the I'm happy like this

912
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: and you're not a title. And I think that's probably

913
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: what you were experiencing. And I think as women, those

914
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: titles can mean way more than they should, because over time,

915
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: we were never you know, years ago, we weren't given

916
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: those titles ever hardly ever.

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00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: And now men want.

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Speaker 1: To give us those titles so that they can like

919
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: check boxes sometimes. Right, So so I think, sorry, and

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00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: I really like men. I don't mean to bash men,

921
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: but but it's fact. And I think, and I think

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00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 1: for you, you've had your titles, you've done it, you've

923
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: taken the buttered roll, you've you've done all the things,

924
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: and I think, like this next chapter is very exciting.

925
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm excited to see where it takes you.

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00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't worry about you for one second ever. Well,

927
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. I'm really excited about all

928
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: you're doing. And I can't wait to watch you keep

929
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: going out. And I'm going to start living a more

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00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: urgent life, effective, immediately.

931
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Speaker 3: Effective, immediately. Today's the day.

932
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: Today.

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00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: Today is the day, babe, day, that's the name of

934
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: your next something. Today is the day. I'm here, I'm

935
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: calling it, I'm writing it, and today is the day

936
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: because people need to repurpose that.

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00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 3: Amen. I am okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Boz for coming on the

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Speaker 1: podcast today. She is so beyond I literally could have

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00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: talked to her or for hours. I cannot believe the

941
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: life she's lived. I cannot believe the grief she's lived

942
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: through and smiling bigger than I've probably seen anyone on

943
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: my pod.

944
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: I am taking from that.

945
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: I am definitely taking from that, and I think to

946
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: write a book called the Urgent Life and How to

947
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: Live It, I think is something that we should all

948
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: take along with her journey of you know, going from

949
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Speaker 1: literally being hungry to taking a buttered roll from a nice,

950
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: kind neighbor to getting the dream job from Spike Lee

951
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: because she had the courage to actually, you know, ask

952
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: to read a script. I mean, it's really an unbelievable story.

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