Speaker 1: First to goal at the five. Williams a single back.
Speaker 2: He gets to carry Hesitates, plows forward to the two,
Speaker 2: to the one and in for a Denver touchdown. He
Speaker 2: would not be denied. Javonte Williams from five yards out
Speaker 2: his second touchdown of the night, and it's twenty five
Speaker 2: to three Denver. That was Javanti Williams scoring his second
Speaker 2: touchdown of the night. A low moment in a series
Speaker 2: of low moments for the New Orleans Saints on a
Speaker 2: Thursday night, to forget in the Superdome thirty three to ten.
Speaker 2: The Broncos end up winning this game. Jake Hans in
Speaker 2: at the end and put some lipstick on a pig
Speaker 2: in what was one of the lowest moments in Saint's history.
Speaker 2: And that is a lot of low moments in this history.
Speaker 2: But my god, I don't know if this was the
Speaker 2: worst night to have the Saints Block Party podcast on
Speaker 2: or the perfect night to have have on the Saints
Speaker 2: Block Party podcast. That's right, it's my friend Adam west
Speaker 2: and Ryan from the Saints Block Party podcast. Of course,
Speaker 2: that was Kevin Coogler from Westwood One Fellas. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I guess is how I'll start with this one, Adam.
Speaker 3: No, I want to start this one with some with
Speaker 3: just I like throwing facts out there. Right, I don't
Speaker 3: have a producer, but I'm just going to throw some
Speaker 3: facts out here. For DA's Saints tenure, since he got
Speaker 3: hired as head coach, he has beaten four teams with
Speaker 3: winning records. Four those teams were the Seattle Seahawks in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, were the Taysum game where he went
Speaker 3: super nova, the Indianapolis Coats last year quarterback by garnament Jew,
Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Eagles who were fourteen and three, but that
Speaker 3: was also garnament Jew was starting that game in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two, and the Bucks last year towards the end
Speaker 3: of the season. Those are the only teams that he
Speaker 3: has beaten as head coach. Furthermore, Furthermore, this is the
Speaker 3: first time that the Saints have lost back to back
Speaker 3: games at home by more than twenty points since two
Speaker 3: thousand and one.
Speaker 2: Wooh, that was my senior year. I don't think I
Speaker 2: had season tickets that year. I had season tickets one year,
Speaker 2: but I did go to a few games that year.
Speaker 2: And yeah, not a great era of Saints football. There
Speaker 2: was some buzz that there was some fire, dentistil and
Speaker 2: chance there there was a paper bag. At the end
Speaker 2: of this game, there was an SOS sign. It was rough.
Speaker 2: But I come back Ryan to the fact that on
Speaker 2: a night where they were honoring Drew Brees. That's where
Speaker 2: really this all comes back to for me, On a
Speaker 2: night where Drew Brees was in the booth with Amazon,
Speaker 2: on a night where Sean Payton is in the building,
Speaker 2: for this to all happen tonight that night, I just
Speaker 2: think that that actually crystallizes everything because ownership is in
Speaker 2: the building, Gayo Benson is in the building, and to
Speaker 2: have that lower moment while you're celebrating the highest moments
Speaker 2: of your franchise history with the best player in franchise
Speaker 2: history Drew Brees there, I think it spells the end
Speaker 2: of Dennis Allen, maybe even this week, maybe even after
Speaker 2: this game. Am I crazy?
Speaker 1: I don't see it? Not this week, But you're right.
Speaker 1: I thought about this game even before the season started,
Speaker 1: that this game, Oh, I mean, it would just it
Speaker 1: would be the perfect time for Dennis Allen to really
Speaker 1: show who he is and for the season to go high.
Speaker 1: Is going so far, to start off so hot, start
Speaker 1: off too and Ohero heit Us on the podcast talking
Speaker 1: about Super Bowls and this, and to end up to
Speaker 1: go forward, you know, lose four games in the row
Speaker 1: how they did in bizarre fashion, you know, losing games
Speaker 1: they kind of should have won or could have won,
Speaker 1: and then just depressing laws to the chiefs where you
Speaker 1: just don't look like it belong in the field. Then
Speaker 1: you get rained out the building by the Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: Bucks and Baker Mayfield and uh. And then to have
Speaker 1: this game against you know, the former head coach, the
Speaker 1: guy who put Dennis Allen on the map and basically
Speaker 1: just looked like a high school team. It it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard for Da. I don't see how DA comes
Speaker 1: back from this one, Like, I don't see because.
Speaker 2: It's a defense. It's his defense. That's that's the thing.
Speaker 2: So for people that haven't been watching the Saints each
Speaker 2: and every week, and yeah, if you're watching on YouTube,
Speaker 2: we appreciate y'all that the ones that came out tonight,
Speaker 2: you're the real fans, you're the real believers. It's it's
Speaker 2: probably a lot of the probably a lot of your
Speaker 2: So I appreciate them. They love a tough night and
Speaker 2: and Broncos fans, by the way, we will give you your flowers,
Speaker 2: your four and three. You've got a well coached team.
Speaker 2: This team that the Broncos have reminds me a little
Speaker 2: bit of those late period Sean Payton Saints teams, like
Speaker 2: they're not going anywhere, but they're just too damn well
Speaker 2: coached to lose more than eight games. They'll probably win
Speaker 2: end up winning nine games just with ugly quarterback play.
Speaker 2: So we'll get to that. But in reality, just from
Speaker 2: a big picture NFL perspective, the story tonight is the
Speaker 2: Saints because this is a team. Yeah, we had you
Speaker 2: on after two weeks. I'm sorry, but actually we kind
Speaker 2: of had you on at the two perfect moments of
Speaker 2: the year because it really shows how quick things can change.
Speaker 2: It was a moment where, you know, I think, right,
Speaker 2: I think you said all you needed was Kendre Millard
Speaker 2: to believe that you guys were a super Bowl consider
Speaker 2: you had said Miller back tonight, what's up.
Speaker 1: Hey, man? Were just missing like eight other players, eight
Speaker 1: other starters.
Speaker 2: That's all okay, okay, So there are a ton of
Speaker 2: injuries for the Saints, and that explains a lot of
Speaker 2: what's happening on offense, but on defense. Going into the game,
Speaker 2: they weren't that banged up on defense, they were normal
Speaker 2: banged up. And so this is the fourth straight game
Speaker 2: where they've given up twenty five points or more. That's
Speaker 2: the first time in Saints' history they gave Wasn't that crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that that's true. But Dennis Allen making that
Speaker 2: happen twenty five points four weeks in a row. They
Speaker 2: give up two hundred and twenty five yards on the ground,
Speaker 2: So the last two weeks they've given up about five
Speaker 2: hundred yards rushing. There were moments in this game, and yes,
Speaker 2: paulsin Adebo got hurt and Marshawn Lattimore got hurt. By
Speaker 2: then the game was already over. At you really feel
Speaker 2: for a debo who got an air cast and had
Speaker 2: to go to a local hospital. And so that's tough.
Speaker 2: But you saw guys like ducking out of tackles, and
Speaker 2: Richard Sherman said it at halftime, it looked like a
Speaker 2: team that was didn't want this to be their coach anymore.
Speaker 3: Adam like we we've heard, we heard this going back
Speaker 3: to last week against the Bucks. Right, you had Sean Tucker,
Speaker 3: who no one even in fancy football and who Sean
Speaker 3: Tucker was, and he becomes NFL Player of the Week
Speaker 3: and copy and paste in the same stuff is happening
Speaker 3: this week against the Broncos with Sean Payne in the building,
Speaker 3: and I just feel like it's you know you you
Speaker 3: mentioned the Marshaw Lottimore getting injured thing, like was he injured?
Speaker 3: Like at this point, like I wonder, I wonder if
Speaker 3: there are players on the team who just don't feel
Speaker 3: like they want to play for DA anymore.
Speaker 1: And I want to drop like a little little little.
Speaker 3: Nugget that I just got texted as as we're recording,
Speaker 3: I don't I'll say this, I don't know how you
Speaker 3: can reasonably assess and evaluate Spencer Rattler behind this line
Speaker 3: and with no receivers.
Speaker 1: But it seems like they, like the team may want
Speaker 1: to get a look at Jay Kiner going into that
Speaker 1: next game against the Chargers.
Speaker 2: I'll just okay. So Rattler left the game with about
Speaker 2: two minutes ago. He was having his side checked out,
Speaker 2: He got hit a bunch. He ends up twenty five
Speaker 2: or thirty five for one hundred and seventy two yards,
Speaker 2: they obviously didn't score enough. You know, they didn't move
Speaker 2: the ball great against a good Broncos defense. He didn't
Speaker 2: look terrible. I mean, his top receivers are Cedric Wilson,
Speaker 2: Mason Tipton, Bubb Memes, and they're missing two or three
Speaker 2: starting offensive linemen against one of the best pass rushers
Speaker 2: in the league, and he got thrown around. But actually
Speaker 2: when he got a chance to throw the ball and
Speaker 2: he wasn't under pressure, he looked pretty good. He made
Speaker 2: a few plays with his leg. I mean, if you're
Speaker 2: looking at him versus bo Nicks tonight, sorry Broncos fans,
Speaker 2: not like you saw like a bunch of separation between
Speaker 2: those two quarterbacks. It was just absolutely everything else that
Speaker 2: was going on in this game. But yeah, to it
Speaker 2: must have I don't know, man, you guys seem a
Speaker 2: little too calm. I don't know if you're just giving
Speaker 2: like NFL daily energy, because if it was Saints, if
Speaker 2: it was Saint's block party energy, like we'd be hearing,
Speaker 2: you know, Adam getting you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's that's that's coming later. But I'll
Speaker 3: say this, we're here. How does he have a job
Speaker 3: after tonight? He should not leave the building having a job.
Speaker 1: And this is not me. I'm not the one.
Speaker 3: And I hear, well, you know you were asking for
Speaker 3: da to be fired, and what about like his family
Speaker 3: and they're gonna have to switch like their.
Speaker 1: Schools, Like we're fans, They'll be fine.
Speaker 3: Like at this point, the thing that Ryan and I
Speaker 3: have talked about is that since Dennis Allen has been hired,
Speaker 3: there has been a continual, continual teardown of the culture
Speaker 3: that Sean.
Speaker 1: Payton has has built.
Speaker 3: A couple a couple of days ago, Mickey Loomis goes
Speaker 3: on w w L and talks about, you know, you
Speaker 3: have to look beyond the wins and losses and look
Speaker 3: beyond all this, and Bobby Abert is.
Speaker 1: Like, what are you talking about? Like what?
Speaker 3: Like like it felt delusional, And I know a lot
Speaker 3: of the heat's gonna be put on Dennis Allen as
Speaker 3: it I really should. But like as you mentioned in
Speaker 3: the preview talking with Jordan Rudrieg, talking with Colleen Wolf,
Speaker 3: Mickey Loomis is like the big, big bad behind all
Speaker 3: of this because of the power that he wields, because
Speaker 3: a lot of the decisions that he's made has led
Speaker 3: the Saints to be where they are, So even if
Speaker 3: they fired Dennis Allen, as a Saints fan, you just
Speaker 3: have to hope in look and hope that either Mickey
Speaker 3: Loomis goes into a higher role and that's non football related,
Speaker 3: or that he just looks out and hires a head
Speaker 3: coach that has the football brains that can put him
Speaker 3: in check like the coach he did with Sean Payton
Speaker 3: that was across the field, which.
Speaker 2: How much higher can he get? He's like the owner,
Speaker 2: he's like essentially like an acting owner. He reminds me
Speaker 2: of Pete Carroll in Seattle, who I always thought was
Speaker 2: as close to an acting owner after the death of
Speaker 2: their previous owner. I think there's some similarities here. I
Speaker 2: think Gail Benson's more involved, but I think Mickey Loomis,
Speaker 2: it's fair to say, has about as much power as
Speaker 2: almost any executive or any non really like team president,
Speaker 2: I mean in the league, because he's been there so long.
Speaker 2: He's been involved in multi you know, he's been involved
Speaker 2: with the Pelicans and stuff. And Ryan You pushed back
Speaker 2: at me on Twitter when I said, like, the question
Speaker 2: is to me, is Mickey Loomis gonna survival of this?
Speaker 2: Because Dennis Allen is his guy, and there's there's a
Speaker 2: thought process that like he kept Dennis Allen because that's
Speaker 2: like a coach that's not going to push back on him.
Speaker 2: That helps him keep that power. And you were like,
Speaker 2: no way as Mickey leaving, which is which is crazy
Speaker 2: because I think the rest of the league looks at
Speaker 2: this and probably thinks, like, wow, this is a situation
Speaker 2: where it's finally maybe over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think, you know, in a normal franchise,
Speaker 1: but not with the Saints. And look, you're talking about
Speaker 1: Mickey Loomas. This is a guy that's in Gale Benson's will.
Speaker 1: You know, he would be the executive of a will.
Speaker 1: If you know, Dennis Lucia as other president weren't there,
Speaker 1: Like he he's not going anywhere now? Will he be
Speaker 1: the Saints GM, you know, move on to some other role,
Speaker 1: you know, team director of sports engagement, who knows like
Speaker 1: just something besides running the football operations. And the thing
Speaker 1: about you know, having having such a strong footing like
Speaker 1: he has. Where's the accountability? Who holds him accountable? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean we don't know how We know Gail Vinson
Speaker 1: is involved, but we don't know how much years from
Speaker 1: outside the building. Since she's so insulated within New Orleans.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, who's gonna check Mickey Numis?
Speaker 2: Well she Well, she was there today because Drew Brees
Speaker 2: had a Hall of Fame luncheon uh at you know
Speaker 2: where they officially put him into the Saints Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: and Sean Payton and a whole crew of ex Saints.
Speaker 2: Joe Lombardi was there, Michael Cart, Michael all these guys
Speaker 2: that used to coach for the Saints. They kind of
Speaker 2: crashed the party and Gail. Gail knew that it was there,
Speaker 2: he said, So the owner knew that he was going
Speaker 2: to come there. And it's on one hand, it's kind
Speaker 2: of awkward if you're an outsider. On the other hand,
Speaker 2: it it makes total sense. Those are the people that
Speaker 2: were there with Drew Brees, and that's cool. It was
Speaker 2: fitting that Sean Payton was there tonight. As bad of
Speaker 2: a game as it was, it was supposed to be
Speaker 2: this great night in terms of celebrating Drew Brees, but
Speaker 2: instead it became a really crazy whiplash of a segment
Speaker 2: of this game. So let's go back to the end
Speaker 2: of the first half and talk about how that ended.
Speaker 2: At the time, it is, I believe sixteen to three,
Speaker 2: and will the Saints get the ball back with sixteen
Speaker 2: seconds left in the half and they line up and
Speaker 2: they start playing some offense and I'm like, okay, actually
Speaker 2: like this. You know, teams should do this more. Try
Speaker 2: to hit a shot down the field, take a time out,
Speaker 2: get a field goal. But it doesn't work. They like
Speaker 2: run a screen. Alvin Kamara gets absolutely blasted on a
Speaker 2: potential screen a couple of plays and then they're snapping.
Speaker 2: With nine seconds left, they throw another pass. There's four
Speaker 2: seconds left. The half is essentially over. You know, they
Speaker 2: got seventy yards to go, and they take a time
Speaker 2: out and if you're watching, if you're watching on YouTube,
Speaker 2: you could see Spencer Rattler mouthing what are we doing?
Speaker 2: And that's what everyone in the building was saying, what
Speaker 2: are we doing? Because after that time out, where da
Speaker 2: starts looking around as if he wasn't the one that
Speaker 2: took the time out, they just kneel on the ball.
Speaker 2: So they took a time out for everyone in the
Speaker 2: crowd to be like, what the hell to kneel on
Speaker 2: the ball, and then they kneel on the ball and
Speaker 2: the crowd just starts booing like crazy, and it was
Speaker 2: It's a low moment. They're booing like crazy. Cut to
Speaker 2: ten minutes later they do the ceremony for Breeze. It
Speaker 2: appears to get a really good reaction. Shout out to
Speaker 2: the Saints fans that were there. Let's actually listen to
Speaker 2: Drew Brees doing his old war chant with the crowd.
Speaker 4: Here we go walk where.
Speaker 1: Where? Shot? Where? Not?
Speaker 3: Where?
Speaker 2: Where?
Speaker 1: Yo?
Speaker 2: Shout out to Drew Brees because him getting the crowd
Speaker 2: to get up like that in that moment. And I
Speaker 2: wasn't there, so I don't know how how loud it
Speaker 2: was or whatever. That's one of the best examples of
Speaker 2: love that that crowd could ever show. Because there was
Speaker 2: not many people in the mood for that, and from
Speaker 2: the sound of it from the reporters, there a lot
Speaker 2: of people stayed for that ceremony. They yelled, they were like,
Speaker 2: we're out, We're out. It wasn't even that big a blah.
Speaker 2: It was second sixteen to three, but they left. So
Speaker 2: that just shows you Ryan how much that that city
Speaker 2: loves Drew Brees. That they did that in that in
Speaker 2: that scenario, what what a crazy like just whipped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the juxtaposition of like, you know, just those
Speaker 1: memories with Drew Brees, you know, all the winning that happened,
Speaker 1: you know, just a completely different time than we're in now.
Speaker 1: And it's like, here's reality. About one of my guys
Speaker 1: I follow on Twitter, have been followed for a long time.
Speaker 1: He always like after Drew Brees retired and we were
Speaker 1: complaining about Jameis Winston or something on Twitter, and he
Speaker 1: was like, shut up, Like this is how the rest
Speaker 1: of us live, you know what I'm saying. Because he's
Speaker 1: like a Titans fan. It's like that's a good point.
Speaker 1: Like we've been so spoiled, you know, the last fifteen
Speaker 1: years with Drew Brees, you know, and this is this
Speaker 1: is how life is when you don't have a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's hard to find a great coach. It's just a
Speaker 1: tough life, you know. But I'm hoping that, you know,
Speaker 1: Spencer Raandler becomes something I do see talent there. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, would he be like a franchise quarterback? Too
Speaker 1: hard to say right now, too early to tell. It's
Speaker 1: too hard to evaluate him right now. But I think
Speaker 1: hopefully when the Saints do get a little more a
Speaker 1: few injured players back, you know, like Eric McCoy, Chaser Hill,
Speaker 1: some of the offensive line, micrus Olavy. Maybe you could
Speaker 1: start to evaaluate Spencer Radler a little better. That's the
Speaker 1: most important thing for this season to me.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, it's a it's a good point. And since
Speaker 2: we last did a podcast where shi jaheid is out
Speaker 2: for the season, which is just such a killer injury
Speaker 2: for the Saints, we found out later in the week
Speaker 2: that he was going to undergo surgery. So that's worst
Speaker 2: case in era. And this is a receiver group going
Speaker 2: into the year that I thought after the top two
Speaker 2: was as thin as any in the league. And then
Speaker 2: you're missing your top two. A lave should return after
Speaker 2: that concussion, but the defense is really what gets you.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking up at my screen and we'll have
Speaker 2: to check out how this interview went later. But Sean
Speaker 2: Payton is on the desk with the Amazon crew in
Speaker 2: the Superdome's crazy. And you know, Adam, your buddy Nick
Speaker 2: Underhill wrote a great column this week. Wow that uh,
Speaker 2: you know that that it's complicated with Sean Payton for
Speaker 2: fans of the Saints. That for Saints fans. It's like
Speaker 2: you could feel however you want with Sean Payton come
Speaker 2: to town because that man did so much for you,
Speaker 2: but he also quit on the team. And I think
Speaker 2: from from an outsider, like from people that aren't Saints fans,
Speaker 2: they probably kind of forget that that. When Sean Payton retired,
Speaker 2: everyone thought he was quote unquote retiring, but it came
Speaker 2: out that he was quitting on them, and he was
Speaker 2: trying he was coaching the Dolphins. In his mind, he
Speaker 2: was coaching the Dolphins and Tom Brady was his quarterback,
Speaker 2: and he was quitting on the Saints in the middle
Speaker 2: pretty soon after he had negotiated a big payroad raise
Speaker 2: from the Saints like a year before that, so he
Speaker 2: quit on them and he was going to the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: The NFL did not allow that. The Dolphins lost their
Speaker 2: first round draft pick because of it. Tom Brady never
Speaker 2: went to this, you know, never went there and it
Speaker 2: didn't happen. So there's still some feeling there. But for
Speaker 2: him to be laughing up with with Bo Nicks on
Speaker 2: the set with Richard Sherman, who was who was man
Speaker 2: who is saying Saints fans might be waiting for da
Speaker 2: at his car after the game. The man a night.
Speaker 1: It is Ryan.
Speaker 3: I think Ryan hit it, and I feel like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I know people who are Broncos fans are going to
Speaker 3: listen to listen, be like, why.
Speaker 2: Aren't you talking more? Now, We're going to get to it.
Speaker 2: We're going to get to him. We got time, we
Speaker 2: get to Okay.
Speaker 3: But I just want to piggyback off of Ryan's point.
Speaker 3: The biggest question that the Saints need to like needs
Speaker 3: to have answered going into like next season is if
Speaker 3: they have somewhat of an answer quarterback in Spencer Rattler
Speaker 3: or if they need to draft a quarterback in the draft.
Speaker 3: So right now, I know it's fake, but right now
Speaker 3: the Saints have the seventh overall pick in the draft.
Speaker 3: That looks completely different from an organizational standpoint. If you
Speaker 3: feel like you have the guy in the building and
Speaker 3: you don't need to draft the quarterback at seven and
Speaker 3: draft another position of whatever best player available, like very
Speaker 3: if you're drafting that high as opposed to if you
Speaker 3: feel like you don't have the guy and you feel
Speaker 3: like you have to draft the guy at seven. So
Speaker 3: to me, that's the biggest question that they have to ask,
Speaker 3: like because I feel like if they can answer if
Speaker 3: he's the guy and he like it's back whatever, whatever
Speaker 3: the guy gets. I'm not saying franchise quarterback, but at
Speaker 3: least a good NFL starter for a certain number of years.
Speaker 1: Let's say even let's say modern day Gino.
Speaker 3: Right, if you feel like you have that in the building,
Speaker 3: no matter how the rest of the season goes, I
Speaker 3: feel like that's a win from an organizational standpoint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're saying they might want to look at
Speaker 2: Hayn who threw a couple of nice passes on that
Speaker 2: garbage time to drive and got a touchdown. We'll see.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's a long way to go. You're
Speaker 2: saying you're already talking about next season, and I get that,
Speaker 2: but you're not even close to halfway here. You got
Speaker 2: ten more games to play. And the way that defense
Speaker 2: look like they get up on Dennis Allen tonight, it
Speaker 2: just it makes you wonder about decisions. You mentioned Latimore
Speaker 2: and missed a lot of camp with that hamstring, and
Speaker 2: then he was out late in this game. There was
Speaker 2: a moment and our friend Jordan Rodrigue pointed out to me,
Speaker 2: like on that Broncos touchdown drive in the second half
Speaker 2: where guys aren't getting off their blocks, but guys aren't
Speaker 2: even like sticking their arms out to make the tackles.
Speaker 2: There there was a play and Damario Davis also left
Speaker 2: this game with an injury, and he's the ultimate pro.
Speaker 2: He he was you know, not he was like in
Speaker 2: the right gap, but did not give great effort on
Speaker 2: a potential tackle attempt on that drive either, And maybe
Speaker 2: he's fighting through an injury. But it's been tough to
Speaker 2: watch the last couple of weeks, and it just when
Speaker 2: it rains at poor is like honey Badger has an
Speaker 2: interception on one of bo Nick's worst throws, go right
Speaker 2: in his bread basket at the end of the first half,
Speaker 2: but he could have maybe had a long return. Maybe
Speaker 2: he was looking up to see it and he just
Speaker 2: drops the thing and that's not not trying. But that's
Speaker 2: just that's as bad. And I don't know where get
Speaker 2: coat goes from here, because they weren't getting any pressure
Speaker 2: on bow next tonight not and looked at the next
Speaker 2: ten stats, bo Nicks went oh for four under pressure,
Speaker 2: which is like, man, that's rough. He didn't hit one
Speaker 2: pass under pressure. Then I was like they only had
Speaker 2: four passes under pressure? What's up with that? Ryan? Like
Speaker 2: your your passer man.
Speaker 1: Pass presus bad. I don't want to hear anything about
Speaker 1: pressures because I've been seeing the stats that Saints are
Speaker 1: you know, at a certain level of pressures. No, they
Speaker 1: are not good at affecting the quarterback. Quarterbacks have a
Speaker 1: lot of time to throw the ball. Quarterbacks can run
Speaker 1: the ball. Anybody can run the ball against the Saints defense.
Speaker 1: It's been bad for a couple of years now. Sean Tucker.
Speaker 1: Sean Tucker ran for almost two hundred yards, Like, what's
Speaker 1: what is going on? So well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Javonte Williams tonight goes fourteen for eighty eight, two touchdowns.
Speaker 2: On my daughter Ellis's fantasy bench, my sun walker was
Speaker 2: telling her before the game, put Javonte Williams in. He
Speaker 2: had the scouting report on. He said the same defense
Speaker 2: isn't good, but didn't listen.
Speaker 3: Bonis went for almost like what ninety or he had
Speaker 3: like eighty three the last time.
Speaker 2: I checked seventy five yards he ended up with along
Speaker 2: a thirty two. Although that's a continuation of a trend.
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna take a quick break. Let's talk
Speaker 2: some Broncos on the other side, Now, let's give let's
Speaker 2: give the Broncos from Flowers those three a little bit.
Speaker 2: They're four and three, they are They play the Panthers next,
Speaker 2: then they have Ravens and Chiefs in a row. But
Speaker 2: after that they have the Raiders in the Browns. So
Speaker 2: those are three of the worst teams in the league
Speaker 2: that are coming up in your next five games. You're
Speaker 2: four and three. I think I think the way this
Speaker 2: Broncos team is now, worst case, you're going two and
Speaker 2: three in those games, and right now you're kind of
Speaker 2: showing me you're one of those teams that can beat
Speaker 2: the bad teams. You might lose. You probably will lose
Speaker 2: most to the average teams, and you'll lose to the
Speaker 2: good teams. Like last week, Chargers a real quarterback, a
Speaker 2: real defense, they didn't really stand up. Maybe they'll win
Speaker 2: some of those games, but you haven't played the Raiders
Speaker 2: and the Bronco and the Browns and the Panthers. They're
Speaker 2: pretty good situationally, they're good on special teams. Like this
Speaker 2: is the type of stuff that you guys talked about
Speaker 2: that Sean Payton could do, like real coaching, and like
Speaker 2: they're getting a running game going. Javonte Williams, not last week,
Speaker 2: but a couple of games before that, Like the two
Speaker 2: games before that was running the ball pretty well. They're
Speaker 2: getting pretty good offensive line play. Bo Nicks actually has
Speaker 2: the fourth most value of any quarterback in terms of
Speaker 2: rushing in the NFL. Adam's making a face at me.
Speaker 2: I mean he's dead lasted EPA for drop back like
Speaker 2: any quarterback. Yes, okay, he's giving you some rushing value.
Speaker 2: He's not throwing the ball too well. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: an offense that doesn't make too many mistakes and a
Speaker 2: defense that travels that that plays bigger than the some
Speaker 2: of their parts that that rushes the pass are real well, like, man,
Speaker 2: they're got they're gonna hit that over. For whatever their
Speaker 2: win total was, it was like five and a half,
Speaker 2: they're gonna get to eight or this year.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 3: I think people, and I feel like as a football fan,
Speaker 3: as I've gotten older, you really start to realize how
Speaker 3: important coaching is, like especially in football, especially in the NFL.
Speaker 3: And I don't think like the Broncos doesn't strike me
Speaker 3: as a team that is going to go far, but
Speaker 3: it has the parts where they should at least maybe
Speaker 3: be frisky and be a wildcard team and then once
Speaker 3: you get into the dance, like who knows what happens?
Speaker 3: Like I was a gas by some of the passes
Speaker 3: that bo Nix was throwing, like especially if you go
Speaker 3: back to their first drive and they're like on that
Speaker 3: play there was two wide open Denver players. It was,
Speaker 3: but so like what is their ceiling? Like you said
Speaker 3: a to nine wins, But at least as a Broncos fan,
Speaker 3: you know what Sean Payton, You're going to get a
Speaker 3: well coached team and a psychopath. And I'm in this
Speaker 3: and I mean this a determined endearment that looks every
Speaker 3: It looks into every way, an advantage of how I
Speaker 3: can help my team win. Special teams, defense, offense, Who
Speaker 3: are the who are the reps that are calling this game?
Speaker 3: What are their tendencies and how they call the game,
Speaker 3: just really minute things that comes with being a great
Speaker 3: head coach. And I feel like as a Broncos fan,
Speaker 3: you can't ask for more. And I feel and I
Speaker 3: also feel like Broncos fans there may be like Broncos
Speaker 3: fans who are not big fans of Sean Payne as
Speaker 3: a head coach, which that seems to be like very prevalent.
Speaker 3: But there aren't many people that approach the game and
Speaker 3: approach game day like he does.
Speaker 2: Right Ryan, You you guys were kind of leading the
Speaker 2: brigade about DA last year. Not too happy with them.
Speaker 2: Then they start out to and no people asking for
Speaker 2: apologies from y'all. Is there anything you'd like to say?
Speaker 1: Now? I have no apologies. Look, we we went into
Speaker 1: this season for the Saints like look, show me, show
Speaker 1: me talk. All the talk this off season about oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to execute better, you know is you know,
Speaker 1: we got a new scheme coming in, we got Clink
Speaker 1: Kobie coming in, We're gonna make it easy on Derek call,
Speaker 1: we're gonna run the ball, blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: show me. And first two weeks they did show us.
Speaker 1: They were like okay, I'm just like, okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: But it was a week the week proposition, and they
Speaker 1: continued to show us they are who we thought they were,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And RP didn't scream and
Speaker 1: this just is what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and shot shot Payton and they're not letting them
Speaker 2: off the hook. I mean they are not. It's crazy though,
Speaker 2: I know the NFL is like a week to week
Speaker 2: league and everything. Uh and yeah, we're getting some comments
Speaker 2: from the YouTubers. I think some of your listeners are
Speaker 2: watching here. Ryan and Adam would like to apologize to
Speaker 2: absolutely no one. And yeah, Sean Payton's not apologizing for
Speaker 2: this one either. I bet this felt so.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, he loved it, right, he love Heed.
Speaker 1: I'll say he did not want to let that Lance touchdown.
Speaker 1: He didn't know it.
Speaker 3: You know, he's sick about it. He's sick that they
Speaker 3: scored a touchdown in this game. I can guarantee you
Speaker 3: he is.
Speaker 2: Although let's uh, let's actually listen to the Broncos last touchdown.
Speaker 2: We're going to listen to the Saints radio network call
Speaker 2: of it. This is late in the game. Poor Spencer
Speaker 2: Ratler just just getting hit.
Speaker 4: Second of Jenna's Rattler is in trouble again. Is that
Speaker 4: ball comes up in the air. That's going to be
Speaker 4: an interception and that is going to be a touchdown
Speaker 4: going the other way for for Cody Barton. As Rattler
Speaker 4: was hit, ball popped up of the air Like U,
Speaker 4: these are cotton.
Speaker 2: Candy for Cody Marden.
Speaker 4: Just floating in the air and he took it the
Speaker 4: other direction.
Speaker 2: That is sad my cost there on ww oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that score. It was thirty three to three at that moment,
Speaker 2: and you got to give this Broncos defense some credit.
Speaker 2: Vance Joseph. One of the best things Sean Payton did
Speaker 2: when he took that job. Vance Joseph back in the
Speaker 2: building after he was a head coach doing a fantastic job,
Speaker 2: just blitzing and blitzing and blitzing, and this pass rush.
Speaker 2: They really got something going now. They brought Baron Browning
Speaker 2: back tonight, was probably their best pure pass rusher from
Speaker 2: an injury, so he played for the first time all year.
Speaker 2: Nick Bonito, who's like a pass rush specialist, has a
Speaker 2: sack now in five straight games, which is wild. Zach
Speaker 2: Allen is playing at an all pro level. Patrick Certan,
Speaker 2: who is out for this game, is playing at an
Speaker 2: all pro level. Riley Moss is going to be inspiring
Speaker 2: White kids across the country all start playing cornerback because
Speaker 2: they're out there hitting. That was what really struck me tonight.
Speaker 2: You gotta admit, like Saints, we're catching the ball and man,
Speaker 2: they were just on them and they were hitting. So
Speaker 2: this is a this is a defense with an attitude.
Speaker 1: Man. I like watching Moss I really I liked him
Speaker 1: coming out and I think overall man Like I was
Speaker 1: telling the buddy of mine who's a Verbroccos fan, he
Speaker 1: was really down on Sean Payton. One thing Sean Payte
Speaker 1: is going to do is he is going to try
Speaker 1: to get the best out of his guys. And you know,
Speaker 1: even when you look at the defensive defensive coordinator last
Speaker 1: year after they allowed like seventy points, everybody wanted him
Speaker 1: running out the building. Sean was gonna stick with them.
Speaker 1: And Sean loved like he looked at who he's had
Speaker 1: in the past, like Greg Williams, those guys. He loves
Speaker 1: the blitz. He loves to put pressure on the quarterback
Speaker 1: but any means necessary. So he's gonna have his defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator bring that heat. And it seems like today in
Speaker 1: today's NFL, the blitz is working like it's the days
Speaker 1: of where you could just beat the blitz some reason,
Speaker 1: For some reason, I'm trying to figure it out. Quarterbacks
Speaker 1: just not beating the blitz. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Some people in the comments getting on us for picking
Speaker 2: on Knicks, and I'm just thinking, I'm looking at these
Speaker 2: Knicks stats. It was actually over five under pressure, so
Speaker 2: there's one more pressure.
Speaker 1: Did they watch the game? Did they wash? Now?
Speaker 2: I know because that interception that he should have thrown
Speaker 2: a Matthew some of the throws early. Here's the telling
Speaker 2: stat from Knicks tonight. And they've really done a good
Speaker 2: job coaching around him. It's tricky. I actually think this
Speaker 2: team would be better with Jared Stidham, I really do
Speaker 2: they are. When he held the ball over two and
Speaker 2: a half seconds tonight, so those are more like in
Speaker 2: rhythm throws or trying to get to the second read.
Speaker 2: And Kirk Kirbstreet was hammering this point on the broadcast,
Speaker 2: like he cannot get past his first read. He was
Speaker 2: ten for nineteen for five yards per attempt, negative twenty
Speaker 2: percent completion percentage over expected. And that's what you see
Speaker 2: all year long in terms of completion. Like he's just
Speaker 2: for a guy that needs to win. You think of
Speaker 2: a guy that's not crazy arm talent that you got
Speaker 2: to win from the pocket. But he doesn't stay in
Speaker 2: the pocket, and he's not really good at like throwing
Speaker 2: on the move, Like he doesn't have the arm strength
Speaker 2: for that, so it's a bad combination. He's great at scrambling,
Speaker 2: He's literally been one of the best scrambling quarterbacks in
Speaker 2: the league this year. But other than hitting those little
Speaker 2: short seven yarders on your first read and scrambling, he's
Speaker 2: not hitting anything else, and that's it's hard to run.
Speaker 2: Eric Wilkinson says, it's just ridiculous. It's like the kid
Speaker 2: is the punching bag of every talking head. He's literally
Speaker 2: playing better than Elway at the same point of his career.
Speaker 3: Talking about Nick that sounds like Mickey Liman is talking
Speaker 3: about Da being like Chuck Nole, Like what we.
Speaker 2: To oh wait when he was reading off the records,
Speaker 2: because I would to update that. Actually, Dennis Allen is
Speaker 2: now twenty six fifty one, yes thinking for his career
Speaker 2: eighteen and twenty three with the Saints, which isn't as.
Speaker 3: Bad, but so that means if you were to double
Speaker 3: his wins, he would be one game above hive hundred
Speaker 3: in his NFL coaching career. If Dennis Allen's name was
Speaker 3: Dennis Jackson, would he still have a job?
Speaker 1: No, absolutely the way.
Speaker 2: If Dennis Allen won ten straight to finish the season
Speaker 2: and then three playoff games. That's thirteen wins. So if
Speaker 2: they won the Super Bowl and then they started out
Speaker 2: next year thirteen to zero, then he would be above
Speaker 2: fight won the Super Bowl without a loss. This is dark.
Speaker 1: Here's the crazy thing when you're talking about bo Nicks.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this like of a certainty, but
Speaker 3: I believe if you were to like switch Spencer Rattler
Speaker 3: in bow Knicks and he was the Denver quarterback, I
Speaker 3: think football fans and football media would think about the
Speaker 3: Broncos a little differently, just a little bit, if he
Speaker 3: was a quarterback rather than Bonex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. He Nick hasn't shown enough consistently as
Speaker 2: a passer, so Broncos fans want to give him a
Speaker 2: ton of credit for winning. Like y'all been down that
Speaker 2: road before. It was a man named Tim Tebow that
Speaker 2: we had this argument about who gets the credit for
Speaker 2: the wins, the quarterback or the team because people were
Speaker 2: telling us that you had just some magic sauce. All right,
Speaker 2: I don't want to hold you any longer. You guys
Speaker 2: are taping a Saints block party podcast later tonight, right
Speaker 2: right after, and you're you're in mobile, right Ryan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep, this is what Almost eleven o'clock, I'm
Speaker 1: ready to go.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, after seeing how those UK folks do
Speaker 2: it where where they're doing their post game shows at
Speaker 2: like one in the morning or the primetime games ending
Speaker 2: at four thirty in the morning, that's crazy. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is light work for you, but it's this is
Speaker 2: one of the great reasons to live on the West Coast.
Speaker 2: That is true, Adam feels, that is very true. All right.
Speaker 2: I appreciate everyone who tuned into the live stream, appreciate
Speaker 2: everyone who listened to the podcast all week long. We
Speaker 2: will be back on Friday. I have my PIC show
Speaker 2: with Cynthia Friedland and then of course our Sunday night Reekap,
Speaker 2: Adam Ryan, thank you, Appreciate you guys. See you next time.
Speaker 2: Check out the Saints Block Party podcast when da when
Speaker 2: they're asking them to get fired, you know football is back.
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