1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: First to goal at the five. Williams a single back. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 2: He gets to carry Hesitates, plows forward to the two, 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: to the one and in for a Denver touchdown. He 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: would not be denied. Javonte Williams from five yards out 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 2: his second touchdown of the night, and it's twenty five 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: to three Denver. That was Javanti Williams scoring his second 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: touchdown of the night. A low moment in a series 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: of low moments for the New Orleans Saints on a 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: Thursday night, to forget in the Superdome thirty three to ten. 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: The Broncos end up winning this game. Jake Hans in 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 2: at the end and put some lipstick on a pig 12 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: in what was one of the lowest moments in Saint's history. 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: And that is a lot of low moments in this history. 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: But my god, I don't know if this was the 15 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: worst night to have the Saints Block Party podcast on 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: or the perfect night to have have on the Saints 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 2: Block Party podcast. That's right, it's my friend Adam west 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: and Ryan from the Saints Block Party podcast. Of course, 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: that was Kevin Coogler from Westwood One Fellas. I'm sorry, 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 2: I guess is how I'll start with this one, Adam. 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 3: No, I want to start this one with some with 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 3: just I like throwing facts out there. Right, I don't 23 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: have a producer, but I'm just going to throw some 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: facts out here. For DA's Saints tenure, since he got 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 3: hired as head coach, he has beaten four teams with 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: winning records. Four those teams were the Seattle Seahawks in 27 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, were the Taysum game where he went 28 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: super nova, the Indianapolis Coats last year quarterback by garnament Jew, 29 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Eagles who were fourteen and three, but that 30 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: was also garnament Jew was starting that game in twenty 31 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: twenty two, and the Bucks last year towards the end 32 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: of the season. Those are the only teams that he 33 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: has beaten as head coach. Furthermore, Furthermore, this is the 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: first time that the Saints have lost back to back 35 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: games at home by more than twenty points since two 36 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 3: thousand and one. 37 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: Wooh, that was my senior year. I don't think I 38 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: had season tickets that year. I had season tickets one year, 39 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: but I did go to a few games that year. 40 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: And yeah, not a great era of Saints football. There 41 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: was some buzz that there was some fire, dentistil and 42 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: chance there there was a paper bag. At the end 43 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: of this game, there was an SOS sign. It was rough. 44 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: But I come back Ryan to the fact that on 45 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: a night where they were honoring Drew Brees. That's where 46 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: really this all comes back to for me, On a 47 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: night where Drew Brees was in the booth with Amazon, 48 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: on a night where Sean Payton is in the building, 49 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: for this to all happen tonight that night, I just 50 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: think that that actually crystallizes everything because ownership is in 51 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: the building, Gayo Benson is in the building, and to 52 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: have that lower moment while you're celebrating the highest moments 53 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: of your franchise history with the best player in franchise 54 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: history Drew Brees there, I think it spells the end 55 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: of Dennis Allen, maybe even this week, maybe even after 56 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: this game. Am I crazy? 57 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: I don't see it? Not this week, But you're right. 58 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: I thought about this game even before the season started, 59 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: that this game, Oh, I mean, it would just it 60 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: would be the perfect time for Dennis Allen to really 61 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: show who he is and for the season to go high. 62 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: Is going so far, to start off so hot, start 63 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: off too and Ohero heit Us on the podcast talking 64 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: about Super Bowls and this, and to end up to 65 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: go forward, you know, lose four games in the row 66 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: how they did in bizarre fashion, you know, losing games 67 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: they kind of should have won or could have won, 68 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: and then just depressing laws to the chiefs where you 69 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: just don't look like it belong in the field. Then 70 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: you get rained out the building by the Tampa Bay 71 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: Bucks and Baker Mayfield and uh. And then to have 72 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: this game against you know, the former head coach, the 73 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: guy who put Dennis Allen on the map and basically 74 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: just looked like a high school team. It it's hard. 75 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: It's hard for Da. I don't see how DA comes 76 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: back from this one, Like, I don't see because. 77 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: It's a defense. It's his defense. That's that's the thing. 78 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: So for people that haven't been watching the Saints each 79 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: and every week, and yeah, if you're watching on YouTube, 80 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 2: we appreciate y'all that the ones that came out tonight, 81 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: you're the real fans, you're the real believers. It's it's 82 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: probably a lot of the probably a lot of your 83 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: So I appreciate them. They love a tough night and 84 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: and Broncos fans, by the way, we will give you your flowers, 85 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: your four and three. You've got a well coached team. 86 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 2: This team that the Broncos have reminds me a little 87 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 2: bit of those late period Sean Payton Saints teams, like 88 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: they're not going anywhere, but they're just too damn well 89 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: coached to lose more than eight games. They'll probably win 90 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: end up winning nine games just with ugly quarterback play. 91 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: So we'll get to that. But in reality, just from 92 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: a big picture NFL perspective, the story tonight is the 93 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: Saints because this is a team. Yeah, we had you 94 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: on after two weeks. I'm sorry, but actually we kind 95 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: of had you on at the two perfect moments of 96 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 2: the year because it really shows how quick things can change. 97 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: It was a moment where, you know, I think, right, 98 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: I think you said all you needed was Kendre Millard 99 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: to believe that you guys were a super Bowl consider 100 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: you had said Miller back tonight, what's up. 101 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: Hey, man? Were just missing like eight other players, eight 102 00:05:59,240 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: other starters. 103 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 2: That's all okay, okay, So there are a ton of 104 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 2: injuries for the Saints, and that explains a lot of 105 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 2: what's happening on offense, but on defense. Going into the game, 106 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: they weren't that banged up on defense, they were normal 107 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: banged up. And so this is the fourth straight game 108 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: where they've given up twenty five points or more. That's 109 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: the first time in Saints' history they gave Wasn't that crazy. 110 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: I'm surprised that that's true. But Dennis Allen making that 111 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: happen twenty five points four weeks in a row. They 112 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: give up two hundred and twenty five yards on the ground, 113 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: So the last two weeks they've given up about five 114 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: hundred yards rushing. There were moments in this game, and yes, 115 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: paulsin Adebo got hurt and Marshawn Lattimore got hurt. By 116 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: then the game was already over. At you really feel 117 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: for a debo who got an air cast and had 118 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 2: to go to a local hospital. And so that's tough. 119 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: But you saw guys like ducking out of tackles, and 120 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 2: Richard Sherman said it at halftime, it looked like a 121 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: team that was didn't want this to be their coach anymore. 122 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: Adam like we we've heard, we heard this going back 123 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 3: to last week against the Bucks. Right, you had Sean Tucker, 124 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 3: who no one even in fancy football and who Sean 125 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: Tucker was, and he becomes NFL Player of the Week 126 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: and copy and paste in the same stuff is happening 127 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: this week against the Broncos with Sean Payne in the building, 128 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: and I just feel like it's you know you you 129 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: mentioned the Marshaw Lottimore getting injured thing, like was he injured? 130 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: Like at this point, like I wonder, I wonder if 131 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: there are players on the team who just don't feel 132 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: like they want to play for DA anymore. 133 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: And I want to drop like a little little little. 134 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: Nugget that I just got texted as as we're recording, 135 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 3: I don't I'll say this, I don't know how you 136 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 3: can reasonably assess and evaluate Spencer Rattler behind this line 137 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: and with no receivers. 138 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: But it seems like they, like the team may want 139 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: to get a look at Jay Kiner going into that 140 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: next game against the Chargers. 141 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: I'll just okay. So Rattler left the game with about 142 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: two minutes ago. He was having his side checked out, 143 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: He got hit a bunch. He ends up twenty five 144 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: or thirty five for one hundred and seventy two yards, 145 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: they obviously didn't score enough. You know, they didn't move 146 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: the ball great against a good Broncos defense. He didn't 147 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: look terrible. I mean, his top receivers are Cedric Wilson, 148 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: Mason Tipton, Bubb Memes, and they're missing two or three 149 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: starting offensive linemen against one of the best pass rushers 150 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: in the league, and he got thrown around. But actually 151 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: when he got a chance to throw the ball and 152 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: he wasn't under pressure, he looked pretty good. He made 153 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: a few plays with his leg. I mean, if you're 154 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: looking at him versus bo Nicks tonight, sorry Broncos fans, 155 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: not like you saw like a bunch of separation between 156 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: those two quarterbacks. It was just absolutely everything else that 157 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: was going on in this game. But yeah, to it 158 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: must have I don't know, man, you guys seem a 159 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: little too calm. I don't know if you're just giving 160 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 2: like NFL daily energy, because if it was Saints, if 161 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: it was Saint's block party energy, like we'd be hearing, 162 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 2: you know, Adam getting you know. 163 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's that's that's coming later. But I'll 164 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: say this, we're here. How does he have a job 165 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: after tonight? He should not leave the building having a job. 166 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: And this is not me. I'm not the one. 167 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: And I hear, well, you know you were asking for 168 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: da to be fired, and what about like his family 169 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: and they're gonna have to switch like their. 170 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: Schools, Like we're fans, They'll be fine. 171 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 3: Like at this point, the thing that Ryan and I 172 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 3: have talked about is that since Dennis Allen has been hired, 173 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 3: there has been a continual, continual teardown of the culture 174 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: that Sean. 175 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: Payton has has built. 176 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 3: A couple a couple of days ago, Mickey Loomis goes 177 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: on w w L and talks about, you know, you 178 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: have to look beyond the wins and losses and look 179 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: beyond all this, and Bobby Abert is. 180 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: Like, what are you talking about? Like what? 181 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: Like like it felt delusional, And I know a lot 182 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 3: of the heat's gonna be put on Dennis Allen as 183 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: it I really should. But like as you mentioned in 184 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 3: the preview talking with Jordan Rudrieg, talking with Colleen Wolf, 185 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 3: Mickey Loomis is like the big, big bad behind all 186 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: of this because of the power that he wields, because 187 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: a lot of the decisions that he's made has led 188 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: the Saints to be where they are, So even if 189 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 3: they fired Dennis Allen, as a Saints fan, you just 190 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 3: have to hope in look and hope that either Mickey 191 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 3: Loomis goes into a higher role and that's non football related, 192 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: or that he just looks out and hires a head 193 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: coach that has the football brains that can put him 194 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 3: in check like the coach he did with Sean Payton 195 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: that was across the field, which. 196 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: How much higher can he get? He's like the owner, 197 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: he's like essentially like an acting owner. He reminds me 198 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: of Pete Carroll in Seattle, who I always thought was 199 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: as close to an acting owner after the death of 200 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: their previous owner. I think there's some similarities here. I 201 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: think Gail Benson's more involved, but I think Mickey Loomis, 202 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: it's fair to say, has about as much power as 203 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: almost any executive or any non really like team president, 204 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: I mean in the league, because he's been there so long. 205 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 2: He's been involved in multi you know, he's been involved 206 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: with the Pelicans and stuff. And Ryan You pushed back 207 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: at me on Twitter when I said, like, the question 208 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: is to me, is Mickey Loomis gonna survival of this? 209 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: Because Dennis Allen is his guy, and there's there's a 210 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 2: thought process that like he kept Dennis Allen because that's 211 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: like a coach that's not going to push back on him. 212 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: That helps him keep that power. And you were like, 213 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: no way as Mickey leaving, which is which is crazy 214 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: because I think the rest of the league looks at 215 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: this and probably thinks, like, wow, this is a situation 216 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: where it's finally maybe over. 217 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think, you know, in a normal franchise, 218 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: but not with the Saints. And look, you're talking about 219 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: Mickey Loomas. This is a guy that's in Gale Benson's will. 220 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: You know, he would be the executive of a will. 221 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: If you know, Dennis Lucia as other president weren't there, 222 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 1: Like he he's not going anywhere now? Will he be 223 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: the Saints GM, you know, move on to some other role, 224 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, team director of sports engagement, who knows like 225 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: just something besides running the football operations. And the thing 226 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: about you know, having having such a strong footing like 227 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: he has. Where's the accountability? Who holds him accountable? You know? 228 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: I mean we don't know how We know Gail Vinson 229 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: is involved, but we don't know how much years from 230 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: outside the building. Since she's so insulated within New Orleans. 231 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: You know, it's like, who's gonna check Mickey Numis? 232 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: Well she Well, she was there today because Drew Brees 233 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: had a Hall of Fame luncheon uh at you know 234 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: where they officially put him into the Saints Hall of Fame, 235 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:49,239 Speaker 2: and Sean Payton and a whole crew of ex Saints. 236 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: Joe Lombardi was there, Michael Cart, Michael all these guys 237 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 2: that used to coach for the Saints. They kind of 238 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: crashed the party and Gail. Gail knew that it was there, 239 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: he said, So the owner knew that he was going 240 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: to come there. And it's on one hand, it's kind 241 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 2: of awkward if you're an outsider. On the other hand, 242 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: it it makes total sense. Those are the people that 243 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 2: were there with Drew Brees, and that's cool. It was 244 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 2: fitting that Sean Payton was there tonight. As bad of 245 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: a game as it was, it was supposed to be 246 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: this great night in terms of celebrating Drew Brees, but 247 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 2: instead it became a really crazy whiplash of a segment 248 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: of this game. So let's go back to the end 249 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: of the first half and talk about how that ended. 250 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: At the time, it is, I believe sixteen to three, 251 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: and will the Saints get the ball back with sixteen 252 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: seconds left in the half and they line up and 253 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: they start playing some offense and I'm like, okay, actually 254 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: like this. You know, teams should do this more. Try 255 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: to hit a shot down the field, take a time out, 256 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: get a field goal. But it doesn't work. They like 257 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: run a screen. Alvin Kamara gets absolutely blasted on a 258 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: potential screen a couple of plays and then they're snapping. 259 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: With nine seconds left, they throw another pass. There's four 260 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 2: seconds left. The half is essentially over. You know, they 261 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: got seventy yards to go, and they take a time 262 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: out and if you're watching, if you're watching on YouTube, 263 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: you could see Spencer Rattler mouthing what are we doing? 264 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: And that's what everyone in the building was saying, what 265 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: are we doing? Because after that time out, where da 266 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: starts looking around as if he wasn't the one that 267 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: took the time out, they just kneel on the ball. 268 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: So they took a time out for everyone in the 269 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: crowd to be like, what the hell to kneel on 270 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 2: the ball, and then they kneel on the ball and 271 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: the crowd just starts booing like crazy, and it was 272 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: It's a low moment. They're booing like crazy. Cut to 273 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: ten minutes later they do the ceremony for Breeze. It 274 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: appears to get a really good reaction. Shout out to 275 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: the Saints fans that were there. Let's actually listen to 276 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: Drew Brees doing his old war chant with the crowd. 277 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 4: Here we go walk where. 278 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: Where? Shot? Where? Not? 279 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: Where? 280 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: Where? 281 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: Yo? 282 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: Shout out to Drew Brees because him getting the crowd 283 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: to get up like that in that moment. And I 284 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: wasn't there, so I don't know how how loud it 285 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: was or whatever. That's one of the best examples of 286 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: love that that crowd could ever show. Because there was 287 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: not many people in the mood for that, and from 288 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: the sound of it from the reporters, there a lot 289 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: of people stayed for that ceremony. They yelled, they were like, 290 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: we're out, We're out. It wasn't even that big a blah. 291 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: It was second sixteen to three, but they left. So 292 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: that just shows you Ryan how much that that city 293 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: loves Drew Brees. That they did that in that in 294 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: that scenario, what what a crazy like just whipped. 295 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, just the juxtaposition of like, you know, just those 296 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: memories with Drew Brees, you know, all the winning that happened, 297 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, just a completely different time than we're in now. 298 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: And it's like, here's reality. About one of my guys 299 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: I follow on Twitter, have been followed for a long time. 300 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: He always like after Drew Brees retired and we were 301 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: complaining about Jameis Winston or something on Twitter, and he 302 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: was like, shut up, Like this is how the rest 303 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: of us live, you know what I'm saying. Because he's 304 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: like a Titans fan. It's like that's a good point. 305 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: Like we've been so spoiled, you know, the last fifteen 306 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: years with Drew Brees, you know, and this is this 307 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: is how life is when you don't have a franchise quarterback. 308 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: It's hard to find a great coach. It's just a 309 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: tough life, you know. But I'm hoping that, you know, 310 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: Spencer Raandler becomes something I do see talent there. Uh, 311 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, would he be like a franchise quarterback? Too 312 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: hard to say right now, too early to tell. It's 313 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: too hard to evaluate him right now. But I think 314 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: hopefully when the Saints do get a little more a 315 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: few injured players back, you know, like Eric McCoy, Chaser Hill, 316 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: some of the offensive line, micrus Olavy. Maybe you could 317 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: start to evaaluate Spencer Radler a little better. That's the 318 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: most important thing for this season to me. 319 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, it's a it's a good point. And since 320 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: we last did a podcast where shi jaheid is out 321 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 2: for the season, which is just such a killer injury 322 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: for the Saints, we found out later in the week 323 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: that he was going to undergo surgery. So that's worst 324 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 2: case in era. And this is a receiver group going 325 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: into the year that I thought after the top two 326 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 2: was as thin as any in the league. And then 327 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 2: you're missing your top two. A lave should return after 328 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: that concussion, but the defense is really what gets you. 329 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 2: And I'm looking up at my screen and we'll have 330 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 2: to check out how this interview went later. But Sean 331 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 2: Payton is on the desk with the Amazon crew in 332 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: the Superdome's crazy. And you know, Adam, your buddy Nick 333 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: Underhill wrote a great column this week. Wow that uh, 334 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: you know that that it's complicated with Sean Payton for 335 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: fans of the Saints. That for Saints fans. It's like 336 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: you could feel however you want with Sean Payton come 337 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 2: to town because that man did so much for you, 338 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: but he also quit on the team. And I think 339 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: from from an outsider, like from people that aren't Saints fans, 340 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: they probably kind of forget that that. When Sean Payton retired, 341 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 2: everyone thought he was quote unquote retiring, but it came 342 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 2: out that he was quitting on them, and he was 343 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 2: trying he was coaching the Dolphins. In his mind, he 344 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 2: was coaching the Dolphins and Tom Brady was his quarterback, 345 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: and he was quitting on the Saints in the middle 346 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 2: pretty soon after he had negotiated a big payroad raise 347 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: from the Saints like a year before that, so he 348 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: quit on them and he was going to the Dolphins. 349 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: The NFL did not allow that. The Dolphins lost their 350 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: first round draft pick because of it. Tom Brady never 351 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: went to this, you know, never went there and it 352 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 2: didn't happen. So there's still some feeling there. But for 353 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 2: him to be laughing up with with Bo Nicks on 354 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: the set with Richard Sherman, who was who was man 355 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: who is saying Saints fans might be waiting for da 356 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: at his car after the game. The man a night. 357 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: It is Ryan. 358 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 3: I think Ryan hit it, and I feel like, Okay, 359 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 3: I know people who are Broncos fans are going to 360 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 3: listen to listen, be like, why. 361 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: Aren't you talking more? Now, We're going to get to it. 362 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: We're going to get to him. We got time, we 363 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 2: get to Okay. 364 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 3: But I just want to piggyback off of Ryan's point. 365 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 3: The biggest question that the Saints need to like needs 366 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 3: to have answered going into like next season is if 367 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: they have somewhat of an answer quarterback in Spencer Rattler 368 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 3: or if they need to draft a quarterback in the draft. 369 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 3: So right now, I know it's fake, but right now 370 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 3: the Saints have the seventh overall pick in the draft. 371 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: That looks completely different from an organizational standpoint. If you 372 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: feel like you have the guy in the building and 373 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 3: you don't need to draft the quarterback at seven and 374 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 3: draft another position of whatever best player available, like very 375 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 3: if you're drafting that high as opposed to if you 376 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 3: feel like you don't have the guy and you feel 377 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: like you have to draft the guy at seven. So 378 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: to me, that's the biggest question that they have to ask, 379 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 3: like because I feel like if they can answer if 380 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 3: he's the guy and he like it's back whatever, whatever 381 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 3: the guy gets. I'm not saying franchise quarterback, but at 382 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: least a good NFL starter for a certain number of years. 383 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: Let's say even let's say modern day Gino. 384 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 3: Right, if you feel like you have that in the building, 385 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 3: no matter how the rest of the season goes, I 386 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 3: feel like that's a win from an organizational standpoint. 387 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're saying they might want to look at 388 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: Hayn who threw a couple of nice passes on that 389 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: garbage time to drive and got a touchdown. We'll see. 390 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's a long way to go. You're 391 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 2: saying you're already talking about next season, and I get that, 392 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: but you're not even close to halfway here. You got 393 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 2: ten more games to play. And the way that defense 394 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: look like they get up on Dennis Allen tonight, it 395 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: just it makes you wonder about decisions. You mentioned Latimore 396 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 2: and missed a lot of camp with that hamstring, and 397 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: then he was out late in this game. There was 398 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: a moment and our friend Jordan Rodrigue pointed out to me, 399 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 2: like on that Broncos touchdown drive in the second half 400 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: where guys aren't getting off their blocks, but guys aren't 401 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: even like sticking their arms out to make the tackles. 402 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: There there was a play and Damario Davis also left 403 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: this game with an injury, and he's the ultimate pro. 404 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: He he was you know, not he was like in 405 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: the right gap, but did not give great effort on 406 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: a potential tackle attempt on that drive either, And maybe 407 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: he's fighting through an injury. But it's been tough to 408 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: watch the last couple of weeks, and it just when 409 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: it rains at poor is like honey Badger has an 410 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: interception on one of bo Nick's worst throws, go right 411 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: in his bread basket at the end of the first half, 412 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: but he could have maybe had a long return. Maybe 413 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: he was looking up to see it and he just 414 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 2: drops the thing and that's not not trying. But that's 415 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 2: just that's as bad. And I don't know where get 416 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 2: coat goes from here, because they weren't getting any pressure 417 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: on bow next tonight not and looked at the next 418 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: ten stats, bo Nicks went oh for four under pressure, 419 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: which is like, man, that's rough. He didn't hit one 420 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 2: pass under pressure. Then I was like they only had 421 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 2: four passes under pressure? What's up with that? Ryan? Like 422 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: your your passer man. 423 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: Pass presus bad. I don't want to hear anything about 424 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: pressures because I've been seeing the stats that Saints are 425 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, at a certain level of pressures. No, they 426 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: are not good at affecting the quarterback. Quarterbacks have a 427 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: lot of time to throw the ball. Quarterbacks can run 428 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: the ball. Anybody can run the ball against the Saints defense. 429 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: It's been bad for a couple of years now. Sean Tucker. 430 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: Sean Tucker ran for almost two hundred yards, Like, what's 431 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: what is going on? So well? 432 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Javonte Williams tonight goes fourteen for eighty eight, two touchdowns. 433 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: On my daughter Ellis's fantasy bench, my sun walker was 434 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: telling her before the game, put Javonte Williams in. He 435 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: had the scouting report on. He said the same defense 436 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: isn't good, but didn't listen. 437 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: Bonis went for almost like what ninety or he had 438 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 3: like eighty three the last time. 439 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 2: I checked seventy five yards he ended up with along 440 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: a thirty two. Although that's a continuation of a trend. 441 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna take a quick break. Let's talk 442 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 2: some Broncos on the other side, Now, let's give let's 443 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: give the Broncos from Flowers those three a little bit. 444 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 2: They're four and three, they are They play the Panthers next, 445 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: then they have Ravens and Chiefs in a row. But 446 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: after that they have the Raiders in the Browns. So 447 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 2: those are three of the worst teams in the league 448 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: that are coming up in your next five games. You're 449 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: four and three. I think I think the way this 450 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 2: Broncos team is now, worst case, you're going two and 451 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: three in those games, and right now you're kind of 452 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 2: showing me you're one of those teams that can beat 453 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: the bad teams. You might lose. You probably will lose 454 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: most to the average teams, and you'll lose to the 455 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: good teams. Like last week, Chargers a real quarterback, a 456 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: real defense, they didn't really stand up. Maybe they'll win 457 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: some of those games, but you haven't played the Raiders 458 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: and the Bronco and the Browns and the Panthers. They're 459 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: pretty good situationally, they're good on special teams. Like this 460 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: is the type of stuff that you guys talked about 461 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: that Sean Payton could do, like real coaching, and like 462 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: they're getting a running game going. Javonte Williams, not last week, 463 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 2: but a couple of games before that, Like the two 464 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 2: games before that was running the ball pretty well. They're 465 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: getting pretty good offensive line play. Bo Nicks actually has 466 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 2: the fourth most value of any quarterback in terms of 467 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 2: rushing in the NFL. Adam's making a face at me. 468 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: I mean he's dead lasted EPA for drop back like 469 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: any quarterback. Yes, okay, he's giving you some rushing value. 470 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: He's not throwing the ball too well. I'm just saying 471 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: an offense that doesn't make too many mistakes and a 472 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 2: defense that travels that that plays bigger than the some 473 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 2: of their parts that that rushes the pass are real well, like, man, 474 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: they're got they're gonna hit that over. For whatever their 475 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: win total was, it was like five and a half, 476 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: they're gonna get to eight or this year. 477 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: Listen. 478 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 3: I think people, and I feel like as a football fan, 479 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 3: as I've gotten older, you really start to realize how 480 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 3: important coaching is, like especially in football, especially in the NFL. 481 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: And I don't think like the Broncos doesn't strike me 482 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 3: as a team that is going to go far, but 483 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 3: it has the parts where they should at least maybe 484 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: be frisky and be a wildcard team and then once 485 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: you get into the dance, like who knows what happens? 486 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 3: Like I was a gas by some of the passes 487 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 3: that bo Nix was throwing, like especially if you go 488 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 3: back to their first drive and they're like on that 489 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 3: play there was two wide open Denver players. It was, 490 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 3: but so like what is their ceiling? Like you said 491 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 3: a to nine wins, But at least as a Broncos fan, 492 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 3: you know what Sean Payton, You're going to get a 493 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 3: well coached team and a psychopath. And I'm in this 494 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 3: and I mean this a determined endearment that looks every 495 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 3: It looks into every way, an advantage of how I 496 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 3: can help my team win. Special teams, defense, offense, Who 497 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 3: are the who are the reps that are calling this game? 498 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 3: What are their tendencies and how they call the game, 499 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: just really minute things that comes with being a great 500 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 3: head coach. And I feel like as a Broncos fan, 501 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: you can't ask for more. And I feel and I 502 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: also feel like Broncos fans there may be like Broncos 503 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 3: fans who are not big fans of Sean Payne as 504 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 3: a head coach, which that seems to be like very prevalent. 505 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 3: But there aren't many people that approach the game and 506 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 3: approach game day like he does. 507 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 2: Right Ryan, You you guys were kind of leading the 508 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: brigade about DA last year. Not too happy with them. 509 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: Then they start out to and no people asking for 510 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: apologies from y'all. Is there anything you'd like to say? 511 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: Now? I have no apologies. Look, we we went into 512 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: this season for the Saints like look, show me, show 513 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: me talk. All the talk this off season about oh, 514 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: we're going to execute better, you know is you know, 515 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: we got a new scheme coming in, we got Clink 516 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: Kobie coming in, We're gonna make it easy on Derek call, 517 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna run the ball, blah blah blah blah blah, 518 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: show me. And first two weeks they did show us. 519 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: They were like okay, I'm just like, okay, that's interesting. 520 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: But it was a week the week proposition, and they 521 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: continued to show us they are who we thought they were, 522 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And RP didn't scream and 523 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: this just is what it is. 524 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and shot shot Payton and they're not letting them 525 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 2: off the hook. I mean they are not. It's crazy though, 526 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 2: I know the NFL is like a week to week 527 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: league and everything. Uh and yeah, we're getting some comments 528 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: from the YouTubers. I think some of your listeners are 529 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: watching here. Ryan and Adam would like to apologize to 530 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 2: absolutely no one. And yeah, Sean Payton's not apologizing for 531 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: this one either. I bet this felt so. 532 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, he loved it, right, he love Heed. 533 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: I'll say he did not want to let that Lance touchdown. 534 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: He didn't know it. 535 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 3: You know, he's sick about it. He's sick that they 536 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 3: scored a touchdown in this game. I can guarantee you 537 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 3: he is. 538 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: Although let's uh, let's actually listen to the Broncos last touchdown. 539 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: We're going to listen to the Saints radio network call 540 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: of it. This is late in the game. Poor Spencer 541 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: Ratler just just getting hit. 542 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 4: Second of Jenna's Rattler is in trouble again. Is that 543 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 4: ball comes up in the air. That's going to be 544 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 4: an interception and that is going to be a touchdown 545 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 4: going the other way for for Cody Barton. As Rattler 546 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 4: was hit, ball popped up of the air Like U, 547 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 4: these are cotton. 548 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: Candy for Cody Marden. 549 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 4: Just floating in the air and he took it the 550 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 4: other direction. 551 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: That is sad my cost there on ww oh yeah, 552 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: that score. It was thirty three to three at that moment, 553 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: and you got to give this Broncos defense some credit. 554 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: Vance Joseph. One of the best things Sean Payton did 555 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 2: when he took that job. Vance Joseph back in the 556 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: building after he was a head coach doing a fantastic job, 557 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: just blitzing and blitzing and blitzing, and this pass rush. 558 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: They really got something going now. They brought Baron Browning 559 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: back tonight, was probably their best pure pass rusher from 560 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: an injury, so he played for the first time all year. 561 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: Nick Bonito, who's like a pass rush specialist, has a 562 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 2: sack now in five straight games, which is wild. Zach 563 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: Allen is playing at an all pro level. Patrick Certan, 564 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 2: who is out for this game, is playing at an 565 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 2: all pro level. Riley Moss is going to be inspiring 566 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: White kids across the country all start playing cornerback because 567 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: they're out there hitting. That was what really struck me tonight. 568 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 2: You gotta admit, like Saints, we're catching the ball and man, 569 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: they were just on them and they were hitting. So 570 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 2: this is a this is a defense with an attitude. 571 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: Man. I like watching Moss I really I liked him 572 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: coming out and I think overall man Like I was 573 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: telling the buddy of mine who's a Verbroccos fan, he 574 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: was really down on Sean Payton. One thing Sean Payte 575 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: is going to do is he is going to try 576 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: to get the best out of his guys. And you know, 577 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: even when you look at the defensive defensive coordinator last 578 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: year after they allowed like seventy points, everybody wanted him 579 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: running out the building. Sean was gonna stick with them. 580 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: And Sean loved like he looked at who he's had 581 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: in the past, like Greg Williams, those guys. He loves 582 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: the blitz. He loves to put pressure on the quarterback 583 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: but any means necessary. So he's gonna have his defensive 584 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: coordinator bring that heat. And it seems like today in 585 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: today's NFL, the blitz is working like it's the days 586 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: of where you could just beat the blitz some reason, 587 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: For some reason, I'm trying to figure it out. Quarterbacks 588 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: just not beating the blitz. Yeah. Absolutely. 589 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: Some people in the comments getting on us for picking 590 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 2: on Knicks, and I'm just thinking, I'm looking at these 591 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: Knicks stats. It was actually over five under pressure, so 592 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: there's one more pressure. 593 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: Did they watch the game? Did they wash? Now? 594 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: I know because that interception that he should have thrown 595 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: a Matthew some of the throws early. Here's the telling 596 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 2: stat from Knicks tonight. And they've really done a good 597 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,959 Speaker 2: job coaching around him. It's tricky. I actually think this 598 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: team would be better with Jared Stidham, I really do 599 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 2: they are. When he held the ball over two and 600 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: a half seconds tonight, so those are more like in 601 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 2: rhythm throws or trying to get to the second read. 602 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 2: And Kirk Kirbstreet was hammering this point on the broadcast, 603 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: like he cannot get past his first read. He was 604 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: ten for nineteen for five yards per attempt, negative twenty 605 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 2: percent completion percentage over expected. And that's what you see 606 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 2: all year long in terms of completion. Like he's just 607 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: for a guy that needs to win. You think of 608 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 2: a guy that's not crazy arm talent that you got 609 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 2: to win from the pocket. But he doesn't stay in 610 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 2: the pocket, and he's not really good at like throwing 611 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 2: on the move, Like he doesn't have the arm strength 612 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: for that, so it's a bad combination. He's great at scrambling, 613 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: He's literally been one of the best scrambling quarterbacks in 614 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: the league this year. But other than hitting those little 615 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: short seven yarders on your first read and scrambling, he's 616 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: not hitting anything else, and that's it's hard to run. 617 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: Eric Wilkinson says, it's just ridiculous. It's like the kid 618 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: is the punching bag of every talking head. He's literally 619 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 2: playing better than Elway at the same point of his career. 620 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 3: Talking about Nick that sounds like Mickey Liman is talking 621 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 3: about Da being like Chuck Nole, Like what we. 622 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 2: To oh wait when he was reading off the records, 623 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: because I would to update that. Actually, Dennis Allen is 624 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 2: now twenty six fifty one, yes thinking for his career 625 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: eighteen and twenty three with the Saints, which isn't as. 626 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 3: Bad, but so that means if you were to double 627 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: his wins, he would be one game above hive hundred 628 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 3: in his NFL coaching career. If Dennis Allen's name was 629 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 3: Dennis Jackson, would he still have a job? 630 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: No, absolutely the way. 631 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: If Dennis Allen won ten straight to finish the season 632 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 2: and then three playoff games. That's thirteen wins. So if 633 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: they won the Super Bowl and then they started out 634 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 2: next year thirteen to zero, then he would be above 635 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 2: fight won the Super Bowl without a loss. This is dark. 636 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: Here's the crazy thing when you're talking about bo Nicks. 637 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this like of a certainty, but 638 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 3: I believe if you were to like switch Spencer Rattler 639 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 3: in bow Knicks and he was the Denver quarterback, I 640 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 3: think football fans and football media would think about the 641 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 3: Broncos a little differently, just a little bit, if he 642 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 3: was a quarterback rather than Bonex. 643 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. He Nick hasn't shown enough consistently as 644 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 2: a passer, so Broncos fans want to give him a 645 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 2: ton of credit for winning. Like y'all been down that 646 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: road before. It was a man named Tim Tebow that 647 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 2: we had this argument about who gets the credit for 648 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 2: the wins, the quarterback or the team because people were 649 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 2: telling us that you had just some magic sauce. All right, 650 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 2: I don't want to hold you any longer. You guys 651 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 2: are taping a Saints block party podcast later tonight, right 652 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 2: right after, and you're you're in mobile, right Ryan. 653 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep, this is what Almost eleven o'clock, I'm 654 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: ready to go. 655 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 2: Okay, you know, after seeing how those UK folks do 656 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 2: it where where they're doing their post game shows at 657 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 2: like one in the morning or the primetime games ending 658 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 2: at four thirty in the morning, that's crazy. I was like, Okay, 659 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 2: this is light work for you, but it's this is 660 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: one of the great reasons to live on the West Coast. 661 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 2: That is true, Adam feels, that is very true. All right. 662 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 2: I appreciate everyone who tuned into the live stream, appreciate 663 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: everyone who listened to the podcast all week long. We 664 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 2: will be back on Friday. I have my PIC show 665 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 2: with Cynthia Friedland and then of course our Sunday night Reekap, 666 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 2: Adam Ryan, thank you, Appreciate you guys. See you next time. 667 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 2: Check out the Saints Block Party podcast when da when 668 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 2: they're asking them to get fired, you know football is back. 669 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: See you next time.