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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Guess what time it is? That's right, your favorite podcast,

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Speaker 1: the award winning Quest Love Supreme. I got it right. Fine,

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Speaker 1: we are the award winning or what Supreme? Yeah? Here

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Speaker 1: we're Teine Supreme Quest Love. You know what time it is? Tigolo?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Brother?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Man?

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Speaker 1: What's happening? What's happening? We're in the daytime. When's the

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Speaker 1: last time we did the daytime?

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Speaker 2: John? It's been a min It's been a good minute.

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Speaker 1: I just woke up. Yeah, like he hits a little

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Speaker 1: different than the daylight.

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Speaker 3: Oh you like that a good thing?

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Speaker 1: I don't know? Isot that was?

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Speaker 3: Get back from the other night?

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Speaker 1: No? No, look like yo, can we talk about that night?

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Speaker 3: Can we really quick?

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Speaker 1: Guess?

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Speaker 3: I would really like to talk about that night?

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Speaker 1: Which night?

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Speaker 3: So, Amir had an experience?

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Speaker 4: Would you like to tell everybody about your experience?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's random? I mean, you know, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was in I was in La you know, I'm Philly.

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Speaker 1: I'm Philly to the boom and just happened to have

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Speaker 1: a night off when Miss Jill Scott finally got around

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Speaker 1: to after, you know, a pandemic, a false pandemic start,

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Speaker 1: you know, celebrating the one year anniversary of her landmark.

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Speaker 1: Who is Jill Scott Tore did it from beginning to end?

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Speaker 1: It was just that from outside eyes, I could see

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Speaker 1: how random and weird and motley that crew looked walking in.

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Speaker 3: You were sitting with the crew that you walked in with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know, I'm Philly, Me, me and Quinta

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Speaker 1: are really really good friends.

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Speaker 4: You know, allegedly we don't know according to this podcast

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Speaker 4: because all your friends, well no, your friends don't come

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Speaker 4: on this podcast.

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Speaker 3: She is a good friend, yes.

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Speaker 1: Right, she's notoriously shy. But I'll say the random party, No,

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Speaker 1: I was just I was hanging with my crew and

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Speaker 1: Quinna having to roll with us and just out of

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Speaker 1: nowhere and layah, correctly, you're you're very correct, and thank

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Speaker 1: you for your pre warning. You know, there's there's some

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Speaker 1: people who's you know, like James Brown. Won't let you

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Speaker 1: call him James or James Brown. You have to call

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Speaker 1: mister James Brown. H We already have our own. We

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Speaker 1: we have Miss Lauren Hill. Yes, so just randomly, at

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Speaker 1: the last minute, my boy Silvert who is Jill's tour

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Speaker 1: manager and sometimes roots tour manager. Said hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: I got to stick somebody in your section. I came

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Speaker 1: back and basically it was Lisa Ray.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I had to let him know.

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Speaker 4: Basically, Amir didn't know that Lisa Ray is always Lisa Ray.

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Speaker 3: She's never Lisa.

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Speaker 4: So when Amira said that she was going to be

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Speaker 4: showing up, I said, well, you just make sure you

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Speaker 4: don't never slip.

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Speaker 3: And call her Lisa. Her name is Lisa Ray, right.

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Speaker 1: And so I warned everybody that we are to addresser

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Speaker 1: as Lisa Ray and not hey Lisa or whatever. And

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Speaker 1: you know, by then our treats had already kicked in,

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Speaker 1: so it was really hard explaining that to people. So

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Speaker 1: I think we overdid it. In every three seconds we

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Speaker 1: were just like, hey, Lisa Ray, would you like someone, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Lisa Ray, would you like a blanket? Lisa Ray? Can

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Speaker 1: you see Lisa Ray? Like literally, I would also.

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Speaker 4: Like the world to know that this was quest Laf's

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Speaker 4: first time sitting in the audience of the Hollywood Bowl

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Speaker 4: at the blackest Hollywood Bowl event probably of the year,

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Speaker 1: the Hollywood Bowl. I didn't know that you could bring

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Speaker 1: your own food. No, it was for those that are

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Speaker 1: regular Hollywood Bowl attendees, like, it was nothing like I.

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know that you were supposed to

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Speaker 1: bring your own bottle and whatever. So let's just say

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Speaker 1: a lot. Laya was getting a kick out of watching.

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Speaker 4: Me, watching you go to the stand by you a blanket,

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Speaker 4: do all the things you ain't bring your own.

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Speaker 1: Blanke a civilian, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed being a

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Speaker 1: civilian anyway, unpaid Bill, what's up, bro?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I feel like my day is

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Speaker 5: all fucking weird because we're doing it in the middle

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Speaker 5: of the day, and I don't know, I'm great though.

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Speaker 5: I just feel like this usually ends the day. Now

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Speaker 1: You usually so you want a day drink? No?

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Speaker 5: Not today?

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Speaker 1: All right, sugar Steve? Hey, everybody, do I hit differently

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Speaker 1: in the daytime as well? Quest? Yes, we can see

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Speaker 1: your face now. You normally have the darkest room out

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Speaker 1: of all of us, so you know, no, we're good. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 1: all right, so this episode definitely long time coming. I

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Speaker 1: will say that our guest, along with his brother Rich,

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Speaker 1: is a founding member of the rock group The Black Crows.

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Speaker 1: About that let Me Rewind, Let me Rewind? No, Actually,

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Speaker 1: for the last thirty seven years are our guest today

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Speaker 1: has been beloved patriarch Jack Hamilton on The Ball and

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Speaker 1: the Beautiful and also the voice of and also the

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Speaker 1: voice of Vicks Formula forty four for the last forty

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Speaker 1: seven years. No, no, no, no, let me try this

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Speaker 1: one more time.

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Speaker 3: How many are there?

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Speaker 1: Yoh wait? Look, first of all, I will say on

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Speaker 1: video directing credits alone, I know that we've elevated to

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Speaker 1: movies and to production and whatnot, but I will probably

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Speaker 1: say that I think that our guest today that his

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Speaker 1: canon of music videos has really, in my opinion, saved

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Speaker 1: and somewhat defined the best moments of be et and MTV.

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Speaker 1: I mean literally, like, dude, I didn't even know that

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Speaker 1: you directed the Dodoo Brown video. Oh yeah, can we

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Speaker 1: just start there? Can we start like.

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Speaker 2: Brothers than a which, But.

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Speaker 1: Our our introduction to Alicia Keys came through his lens,

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Speaker 1: you know, dude, like a Marie. Like we can go

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Speaker 1: on just literally Alicia Keys a Marie uh directed uh

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Speaker 1: name it while for the Night Lord Lord all the

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Speaker 1: miracles that he's done with outcasts, we can't even go there.

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Speaker 1: But dude, my favorite Brandy videos full mood. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that you did that. I know what you want.

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Speaker 1: How did you handle the entire Flip Mode squad? I

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Speaker 1: want to see the entire treatment. I just want to

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Speaker 1: know how from one to ten. What was the headache

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Speaker 1: level of advil you had to take for that entire

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Speaker 1: Buster Mariah Flip Mode video experience. And by the way

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Speaker 1: that you're staring at me, I can tell that that

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Speaker 1: day was very heady for you. But no, literally, you've

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Speaker 1: directed some of these crazy innovative videos. Dude, so anxious. Also,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, just name it, like from Jay he's

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Speaker 1: literally directed. If we named his entire cannon, the episode

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Speaker 6: This whole episode just on the New Edition story, just alone.

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Speaker 2: Just that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm about to say between a New Edition

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Speaker 3: Star shooting stars. Yeah, man, you've.

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Speaker 1: Done various Wu Tang saga like you you are. I

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Speaker 1: feel like he.

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Speaker 3: Did Mama, I made it. Bonn was on our show too,

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Speaker 3: Like it's just all of the things.

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Speaker 1: It's and that's the episode. So thank you very much

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Speaker 1: Chris for joining us. Now pladon John and Chris Robinson

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Speaker 1: is joining the are Chris Robinson. Yeah, I gotta admit

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Speaker 1: there was a slight who's on first situation when Brittany

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Speaker 1: and cousin Jake brought you up. It's like, yo, Chris

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Speaker 1: Robinson wants to do the show. And I was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: so I went to a Bruce Springsteen concert. You already

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Speaker 1: know where this shit's going. I went to a Bruce

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Speaker 1: Springsteen concert like a month and a half ago, and

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Speaker 1: I saw Black Crows Chris Robinson and kind of had

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Speaker 1: so I hear you're about to do the show with us,

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Speaker 1: and I think he thought I was talking about the

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Speaker 1: tonight show, right, So just cut to like just ten

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Speaker 1: don't think he's coming on Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 3: So Chris Robin, oh that shit, I got it, okay

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Speaker 3: right right?

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Speaker 2: You know I got a story with him.

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Speaker 3: You got a story with Chris Robinson.

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Speaker 7: Chris Robinson Atlanta, Georgia at the Four Seasons in the

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Speaker 7: lobby somebody's calling for Chris Robinson. I show up and

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Speaker 7: he shows up. It should have been like a Dave

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Speaker 2: And then he goes. He goes, do you know everybody

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Speaker 2: thinks I'm a video director? And I said, do you

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Speaker 2: know everybody thinks that I play rock and roll? We

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Speaker 2: had a conversation.

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Speaker 1: All it takes is you got to direct a Black

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Speaker 1: Crose video and then the circles complete.

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Speaker 2: Let's set that up.

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Speaker 1: You know what, yo, not knowing your everyday life is

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Speaker 1: but one of the strangest nights in rock star kind

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Speaker 1: of existence I've ever had. You were a part of it.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if you remember it. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember the night that I came to Atlanta? I don't

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Speaker 1: even think you took me. I think you just happened

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Speaker 1: on your first day in prison, it's almost the same

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Speaker 1: thing equivalent. I went to. It wasn't what's Atlanta's most

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Speaker 3: It was nis a gentleman's club, it was.

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Speaker 2: But I remember, I remember, yeah, I forgot where we were.

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Speaker 2: We were somewhere that was like.

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Speaker 7: Legitimately, if you are from Atlanta, you freak with this spot.

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Speaker 1: Someone told me, like, you know, to go to Magic

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Speaker 1: City is almost like some tourist shit, like, right, don't

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Speaker 1: to what's what's the uh, the one that's that has

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Speaker 1: the Claremont Clairemont for novelty purposes only, right, Oh, I

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Speaker 1: never heard of it. But the actual natives and locals go

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Speaker 1: to the spot that I went to. I forget the

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Speaker 1: name of it. And I've never seen like I thought,

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Speaker 1: I've you know, like we'll go to the spot in

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Speaker 1: Vegas or something like that. I've never seen no shit

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Speaker 1: like this in my life. Where twenty minutes into the experience,

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Speaker 1: I realized that the whole purpose of that of that

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Speaker 1: establishment wasn't It wasn't even the women like they just

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Speaker 1: happened to be there dancing. It was about breakfast. No,

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Speaker 1: it's about to find the laws of gravity and how

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Speaker 1: much muscle power do you have to grab a stack,

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Speaker 1: throw it up in the air and keep it up

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Speaker 1: in the air before the last dollar drops. And I

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Speaker 1: believe that they had like a counter on the wall

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Speaker 1: like people breaking records, like who who can make it

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Speaker 1: so a very much well loved ball player that's near

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Speaker 1: and dear to my hometown, I will say at that

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Speaker 1: were basically having a who's dick is bigger contest on

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Speaker 7: Yes, So the contest was to remake ll Cool Jay's

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Speaker 2: About now.

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Speaker 7: But all those people I was with turned into presidents

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Speaker 7: He Listen, man, he has always been. He's you know,

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Speaker 7: in Baltimore, and any movie that came through, I was

442
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 7: a pa on media man.

443
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 2: Robert Oh okay, wow, yeah, yeah, yes, you learned. Yeah,

444
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: this is what I learned.

445
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 7: This might not sound good for the kids. I was like,

446
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 7: I was like a ham, No, I'm directed.

447
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: Like I'm young, super young, But I go it's I'll

448
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 2: put it to you this day after working there for weeks.

449
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: You know, as a PA, most of the time you're

450
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: not able to go on the set. You're not able

451
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 2: to participate. You're doing the dirty work, you know. Same

452
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 2: and I put my son through the same torture.

453
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: So for our listeners out there, what does that entail?

454
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 7: It is picking up trash, it's cleaning out toilets and

455
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 7: win a bay go, it's going to get coffee. It's

456
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 7: if an artist needs medicine or medicine, you go get

457
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 7: it and whatever.

458
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: Running never do it. You're the runner.

459
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 7: So one night we were working overnight, so call time

460
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 7: was five pm and we'd work until seven am. We're

461
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 7: in Baltimore, humid to one hundred some degrees as the

462
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 7: sun starts to come up, and there was a scene

463
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 7: where all the neighbors on each side of the block

464
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 7: threw things out the window with medium men.

465
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: And so the AD came to us, our PA.

466
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 7: Group, and said, okay, you see each square on the sidewalk,

467
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 7: I want you to go to that square, take a

468
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 7: photograph and then a polaroid.

469
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: Then I want you to take a box and put

470
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: each thing in that box.

471
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 7: So when we picked this up later tonight, we can

472
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 7: place everything in the exact as we looked at that

473
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 7: three block radius and everybody said, okay, well, we're gonna

474
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 7: be here another five hours.

475
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: After working for twelve hours, I was like.

476
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 7: This shall be my last day as a PA, and

477
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 7: I'm gonna tell and I'm gonna tough it out.

478
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: So that day I left the set, I was like,

479
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 2: I don't even care if you pay me, I'm out.

480
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: And I dipped And I told Robert this story. I

481
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 2: saw him recently and as the first time he knew

482
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: that I worked as a PA on his on this thing.

483
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 7: But I think what it did is that it really

484
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 7: motivated me, man Like it had me going to New

485
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 7: York on the M track with fifteen dollars in my pocket,

486
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 7: going to set in the lobby. I just wanted anybody

487
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 7: to have my demo tape, you know, which wasn't that

488
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 7: good to take you down down that I know, but

489
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 7: I would bug I bugged somebody, you know. Fred Felman

490
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 7: was a guy profiled, but I called him every day,

491
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 7: so he was the only guy in the office. Because

492
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 7: I met him later and he was telling me about it.

493
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 7: He goes Yo used to call me every day, but

494
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 7: nobody was in the office. We had like went bankrupt

495
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 7: or something, but we had a They were kind of

496
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 7: going from the run DMC era to this new era

497
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 7: and in these new artists. So finally he hit me

498
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,479
Speaker 7: up and said, yo, I got an artist and Smoothed

499
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 7: the Hustler.

500
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 6: And so you did Smooth the Hustler, the Broken Language

501
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 6: that I did.

502
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, before that, I did Smooth's joint. It was just him.

503
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 7: Then his brother trick him and Trigger got and they

504
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 7: did Broken Language. But I ended up doing like four

505
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 7: or five joints for them. They would come to Maryland,

506
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 7: we would have a barbecue, we would like make posters

507
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 7: and like have our own release parties. It just was

508
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 7: it was never about the money because because you know,

509
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 7: my idea of success was if I could get a

510
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 7: pair of times.

511
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: I was good, you know, after doing the video.

512
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 3: From Baltimore, you know Baltimore.

513
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: They weren't black Black Air Force ones though they was,

514
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: buterton I would get.

515
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 7: If I could get tims, that was it. And that's

516
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 7: that's how the love part, you know, of doing it began.

517
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 4: How did you back then when you first started, what

518
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 4: was your method for creating, Like did you have to

519
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 4: get with the artists first, or did you just present

520
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 4: the artists with your idea, like, I guess what's move.

521
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we you know, I'd go up meet them.

522
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 7: You know what's funny is is I think back I

523
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 7: was so naive that I just thought everybody was friends,

524
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 7: everybody was cool, Like it was just somebody you would

525
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 7: meet and I would go up and I'd go straight

526
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 7: to the heart of Brooklyn and I was meeting M O.

527
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 7: P and dr period, and I was meeting all these

528
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 7: dudes who were still in the street and I'd be

529
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 7: sitting on their stuked.

530
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, so here's the treat I.

531
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 7: Would break out the break out the treatment and just

532
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 7: kind of you know. So there was some storyboards connected

533
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 7: to it, and I think, you know, they were like.

534
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 2: Yo, this kid is serious.

535
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 7: So there was a certain trust that we that we

536
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 7: got and I you know, we would always just try

537
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 7: to shoot everything.

538
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: But back then it was like, you know, their mother would.

539
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 7: Cook for us when we were in Brooklyn shooting and

540
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 7: we would go to Carolina Kitchen around the corner over

541
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 7: there in Brooklyn, and it was just that was the start.

542
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: And I think it's funny because just along with technology

543
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: and how things changed. This word would spread. Then I'd

544
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: get a call from this artist. Then I would get

545
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: a call from Fat Joe, and then that relationship started.

546
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: That turned into then I get a call from Fuck,

547
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: then I get a call from Jay.

548
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 7: It was very much a smaller community, and you would

549
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 7: it wasn't a phone call or zoom. You went up

550
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 7: to the office and you sat there and you had

551
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 7: the conversation before you really did any work. So there

552
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 7: was a certain you know, you had to be vetted

553
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 7: by the person.

554
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: All right, let me let me ask a question. As

555
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: a person who especially in the prime of their career,

556
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm the person that would micro manage album credits,

557
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: the engineering of a song, the photographer for like the

558
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: art direction of our album call. But I hated the

559
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: process of video making, even with the whole what they

560
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: do situation, Like I literally had no clue that we

561
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: were referencing one more chance, because that's how indifferent I was,

562
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: Like I was now happened we were. I was snapping

563
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: in the trailer, like I only came when it was

564
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 1: my time to do a scene. And even when we

565
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: watched watch the credits or whatever, I don't know. I

566
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: just felt like maybe it was the deprecation thing, like I,

567
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: we're so motley looking, like this ain't getting on television.

568
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: So it's almost like.

569
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 4: You weren't thinking as a director back then, and even

570
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: though you tell these many stories.

571
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the It's the equivalent of like a kid

572
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: with a bad report card that waits till like six

573
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: in the morning and ask their parents to sign the

574
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: shit like mom, dad, haaven's real quick, or this permission

575
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: slip like when you're asleep at six in the morning.

576
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: That sort of thing. That's so for me. What I

577
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: what I learned though, what I learned was I think

578
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: especially when record labels, you know, there's certain artists that

579
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: will get an unlimited budget. You know, they have a

580
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: little wigger room for creativity. But how do you deal

581
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: with an artist that has high expectation for their video

582
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: but not the video budget.

583
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: You know what I think?

584
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 7: I was so close, you know when we were there,

585
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 7: it is like I was like, yeah, let's go, Like

586
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 7: I never said no to anything.

587
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: Now. My producer was you know, having a stuff.

588
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: Produces the bad guy. Who's your producer.

589
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 7: My producer for the last twenty years has been Roseanne

590
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 7: cunning In. You know, as soon as we opened robot

591
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 7: like we've been we stuck together this whole time.

592
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: That's dope. So she was the bad cop to your

593
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: good cop.

594
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah she was. She wasn't only the bad cop cop

595
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: to the label. She'd be the bad cop to me.

596
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: You know. She'd be like, Chris, we're shutting these lights off.

597
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 7: And you know, back then, you know, which is a

598
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 7: youthful mistake, I'd go, well, take part of my fee.

599
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 7: I was always throwing my fee in for extra lights

600
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 7: or an extra an hour, just because you know, she

601
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 7: was trying to make sure I didn't bankrupt our company,

602
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 7: you know, because that's that's you just you just wanted

603
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 7: it to be because I always you know, I always

604
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 7: say like it's funny because back then we were all

605
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 7: fighting for like maybe one hundred slots in the country.

606
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 7: Right There was TRL but that didn't play a lot

607
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 7: of hip hop. There was one oh six in Park

608
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 7: and then you know, of course Ralph McDaniel's and and

609
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 7: but there wasn't you know where where there's where there's

610
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 7: a million slots every hour now because you go to YouTube,

611
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 7: there was a certain amount. So when hip hop got serious,

612
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 7: it became a business that was generating money. You know,

613
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 7: those big budgets were a reaction to let's win the slot.

614
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 7: You know, how does this competition? Hype Williams is doing this?

615
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 7: Like how do we get there? Like how do we

616
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 7: how do we create?

617
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: And there was a lot of creativity put into it.

618
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 7: And so me, I would always go, yes, let's let's

619
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,479
Speaker 7: try to achieve beyond what the number is.

620
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: You know, so you would aim high for a lower

621
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: budget instead of like aiming for good lower, you would

622
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: just aim higher.

623
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: Anyway, I didn't even know what aiming good lower was.

624
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: I mean, just to be real, now I do. Now

625
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: I know what makes sense as a filmmaker to go, okay,

626
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: let's do this really well because we have this amount

627
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: of money in this amount of resources, or let's change

628
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: our idea. Like once that treatment was written and they

629
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: chose it, I really kind of took it on myself

630
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: to like, we got to make it work.

631
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 4: You know.

632
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: I also came from a world where you know, at

633
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: Geffen Records, they would always throw on my face, hey man,

634
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: we shot smells like teen Spirit for ninety thousand dollars,

635
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: like a gymnasium of two cameras. So yeah, they would

636
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: always say to me, like it's in the song, it's

637
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: in the spirit of the performance. It's not you know,

638
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: we don't need this car or this mansion or I

639
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: mean not like we want in the car mansion. But

640
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, I at least like my thing was, I

641
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: would always fight for like Spikes Jones, like because I

642
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: want to just do crazy, off kilter things right, and

643
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, we were just always always under budget. So

644
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: I mean, after dude, Brown, what do you feel like

645
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: your first video was that really established you? As in like,

646
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: all right, flag planning. There's a new sheriff in town.

647
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: His name is Chris Robinson.

648
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 7: I would say, Peter Gunns and Lord tie uptown, all.

649
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: Right, So how did you pull off that Yankee shot?

650
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: This is the first time I'm telling this story.

651
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course we.

652
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: Want to be uptown.

653
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 7: We want to be in Yankee Stadium, and this is

654
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 7: the beauty of that era.

655
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: And we and music videos, my producers got all the

656
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: way up to George Steinbrent right like we were.

657
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 7: We were coming bringing hip hop Yankee Stadium. And at

658
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 7: the end of the day he said no, and we

659
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 7: were devastated. And then me, this may be sacrilegious for.

660
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: All of New York people don't say Mets.

661
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: We went to the Mets stadium.

662
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 7: We went to Queens and and I was like, how

663
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 7: do we make this look like Yankee Stadium?

664
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 2: And we did our best, But see, you didn't know,

665
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: but I'm telling I'm telling you said, how did you

666
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 2: do the Yankee shot?

667
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: And why did y'all think it was the Yankees? Then

668
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: how did y'all think it was? Because I'm sitting here looking.

669
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: Like uptown man, like I just assumed, okay, but they

670
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: were also wearing like Yankee shit? How did you pull

671
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: that off?

672
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: Exactly? That's that was that's the director has to go,

673
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: how do you draw the eye?

674
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 7: Everybody had on Yankee jackets, but then you also had

675
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 7: everybody from the Bronx, pun Joe.

676
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: All these cats were in the audio we did.

677
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 7: We had like instead of them having beer and hot dogs,

678
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 7: there was like champagne bottles that the guy walking around with.

679
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 7: And we got to get on the field, we got

680
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 7: to see the you know, the scoreboard and how.

681
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Did you Yeah, how did you look that up? Though?

682
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 7: So that listen we went on. That's that's how serious

683
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 7: it became. Like we would we would move like a

684
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 7: feature film.

685
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: But did the Mets know what you were doing directly?

686
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

687
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: I don't think it's very much stadium though.

688
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 5: Man, now that I know that's what it's like, that

689
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 5: is so different.

690
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, But that was a beautiful day.

691
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: Wow. I also know that as a director, second nature

692
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: for you has to be Jedi mind tricking. And I

693
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: know again, like your producer has to be the bad

694
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: guy or the shield. You know, your producer has to

695
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: know if you're singing with a a a certain chantu

696
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: is a certain singer that there might be three hundred

697
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: seconds in her minute.

698
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: You know.

699
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: So you might have to tell people like, okay, this

700
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: the shoots at four o'clock and then they show up

701
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 1: at nine o'clock or whatever, which is what you wanted

702
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: them to do in the first place, or whatever. But like,

703
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: how do you how do you immediately know that you're

704
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: dealing with like that level of uh, Jedi mind tricking

705
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: with your artists.

706
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 7: You can only Jedi mind trick so much, right, And

707
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 7: that's that's in your schedule, right, But it's planned b

708
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 7: that's the most important part, right, Like when you set

709
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 7: your day up, be prepared to shoot all the other

710
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 7: stuff you need in case somebody comes six hours late

711
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 7: and six hours.

712
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: Late, so you do your b shots first.

713
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

714
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: Is that is that general for you? Or is that

715
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: is that video making one on one?

716
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's a learned behavior, you

717
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

718
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 7: Like, you know, I started off like you know, once

719
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 7: you set everything up and you set the first shot

720
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 7: and you set the lights and we were sitting there waiting,

721
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 7: sitting on apple boxes, you just learn because the artist

722
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 7: eventually shows up. It's their money, it's their music video.

723
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 7: But you may not get your whole creative off like

724
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 7: you wanted it. The video might not be as dope

725
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 7: as you want it to be. So you figure out

726
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 7: ways just to get the video to your vision. And

727
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 7: you know, when you get repeat business, you know you

728
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 7: would learn like, oh, Nor's gonna be three hours late.

729
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 7: You know, there was a there was a tweaking of

730
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 7: like some people were twenty minutes late, some people were early,

731
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 7: and you better show up and be there on time.

732
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 7: And so once you kind of got that repeat business,

733
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 7: you kind of understand who did what.

734
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: Did you have?

735
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 4: We talked about you reading the Spike Lee book, but

736
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 4: like did you have a mentor in this game? And

737
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 4: along with that question, what other influences are a part.

738
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: Of your work that we may not know when it

739
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 3: comes to direction.

740
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 2: No, no mentor, no real mentor.

741
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: It was you are the roots of directing.

742
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 7: No, there you go, you walk like okay, this, yeah,

743
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 7: that's that's kind of what it was. And because of

744
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 7: all of the times in Baltimore, nothing scared me, right,

745
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 7: you know, because I was already dealing with all of

746
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 7: these guys who's who how can you say it? The

747
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 7: stakes were very high, right, you had to get this

748
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 7: this right. So I was like in a playground.

749
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: Man. I just was like going and I was like,

750
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: oh my god, they're gonna let me do this.

751
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 7: And then you take the next step, Oh we got

752
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 7: another phone call. I think I will quit my job,

753
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 7: and you know, it just it just builds from there.

754
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 7: But yeah, no, no real mentor. And that scene I

755
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 7: was looking for that early, you.

756
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: Know, along with you know, doing Judie Ground and all that.

757
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: Like there'd be movies that came.

758
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 7: Through Baltimore or TV shows and you nobody when you're

759
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 7: in that zone of the PA, nobody really has time

760
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 7: for you, right, And most of them aren't you know,

761
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 7: aren't like your people. So that's what happened in the

762
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 7: video is I was embraced by people like me who

763
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 7: just happened to be the big star or the big executive.

764
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 7: Kevin Lowles is from Baltimore.

765
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I about to ask you, so, did you guys

766
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: know each other? Early on when he was.

767
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 2: I know, I knew Kevin Lyles. I knew of Kevin Lyles.

768
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 7: He was like a legend because he had a song

769
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 7: in Baltimore and he was an artist first, so all

770
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 7: of us in Baltimore like exactly the new Marks, and

771
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 7: we were just yeah, he was a legend, and then

772
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 7: he was a death jam and we were like, oh

773
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 7: my god, every single I can't imagine how many.

774
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: People from baltim More called Kevin Lyns because he was

775
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: our one guy in the music business. So I think

776
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: everybody was you.

777
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: Was from Baltimore. Though there was a moment when when

778
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: he went, oh shit.

779
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I can't I can't remember. I can't remember. I

780
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: know he he is funny. I've seen Russell Simmons more

781
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 2: than I've seen Kevin wow, right, because he.

782
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: Was those white people also think that Kevin is Russell

783
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: Simmons Also, I just automatically assumed, especially because black directors

784
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: that finally get let past the develvet rope, that you

785
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: guys automatically know each other and hang with each other.

786
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean, let me ask, like, is it territorial pissing?

787
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: Like like once you're established, are you were you phone

788
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: buddies with in your beginning, like with a Linel or

789
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: a Hype or a Sangie or.

790
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 4: More.

791
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: People pretty much very competitive and just kept in.

792
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 7: Themselves absolutely competitive, right because we were all signed to companies, right,

793
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 7: so they it's really interesting they knew what they were doing.

794
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 7: The companies really understood like, oh wow, we're getting five

795
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 7: hundred thousand dollars. You know, we're breaking the director off

796
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 7: you know a percentage of that. But we the more

797
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 7: this business of hip hop grows, the more of these

798
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 7: guys we want. So some of us ended up at

799
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 7: the same companies. And but to answer your question, competitive

800
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 7: all day. For me, Lionel Martin was like a north

801
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 7: Star like his work, his creativity, his his just what

802
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 7: he was able to bring. But then when you met

803
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 7: all the other people who were like his line producer,

804
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 7: his art director, like just being in New York and

805
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 7: working on things. There was a cross pollination because all

806
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 7: those people that are below the line, which is a

807
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 7: whack term, but you know the people who the craftsman,

808
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 7: they're working on everybody stuff, so they may even go, hey, man, Line,

809
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 7: I just worked with this kid Chris. So I just

810
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 7: worked with this kid X and.

811
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 2: You get known.

812
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 7: But I think for us Hype in line. First it

813
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 7: was Linel of course, but then Heype was like a

814
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 7: super north Star.

815
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 2: And then all of us meet Paul X, Benny, Dave Myers, you.

816
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 7: Know Benny love Benny, and I think we were all

817
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 7: in a friendly competition. We were in a friendly competition

818
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 7: in the most beautiful way because then we'd see each

819
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 7: other in the oh, we're in the streets to LA,

820
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 7: or we're at this party or at this thing, and

821
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 7: then we would I'd be our first opportunity to chop

822
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 7: it up, first opportunity to talk.

823
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: Then you found like, oh, his brother's cool or you

824
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: know whatever.

825
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 7: So and then as we've grown, we've been like cheering

826
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 7: for each other. It was so hard to break into TV, right,

827
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 7: so if I was did.

828
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: Something in TV, I'd get a call from Benny or whatever,

829
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: like yo, how did you? You know, how did you

830
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: get over that hump? And I'm trying to you know,

831
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: I remember when Benny was trying to get his first

832
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: TV episode.

833
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 7: You know, same thing with me. You know, I had

834
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 7: to be brought in by that. So I think the

835
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 7: same thing happened with us as we grew. I remember

836
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 7: the first time, I'll give.

837
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: You a little little who we got? Who is? Benny

838
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: was Hype's first A d okay? Right then Benny.

839
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 7: The first big video he got a Puffy called me

840
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 7: and did he now?

841
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: So did? He called me and he was like, Chris,

842
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: I want you to do this video. I think it

843
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: was genuine.

844
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: I don't want to know.

845
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: I did it. I don't want to know.

846
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: That's right, I did.

847
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: But this was like there on a bridge.

848
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 7: It was dope, dope video, and me and Puff had

849
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 7: been working a lot by then. You know, Puff is

850
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 7: extremely demanding executive. So yeah, the budget was low, right,

851
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 7: So I said the budget was, I mean, we'll see,

852
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 7: it's all perspective because I think it back then it

853
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 7: was like one seventy five, which today for the movies

854
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 7: that was directed exactly. But he had been spending north

855
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 7: of four hundred thousand and still being unsatisfied if you

856
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 7: didn't get to the to the thing right. So I said, look, man,

857
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 7: you're going to be out there yelling and screaming and mad.

858
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 7: Why don't you just raise the budget a little bit.

859
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 7: So He's like, I can't raise the budget. This song

860
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 7: ain't charging.

861
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: No, no, no, And so I was going to do it,

862
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 2: but I but he moved on and he gave Benny

863
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: the job, and that video blew Benny up, and Puff

864
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: called me after that was like, hey, yeah, you're up

865
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: on the hill at the House on the Hill. Now

866
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: you ain't trying to grind no more. Now He like

867
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: dug it in. But you know, like yeah, but.

868
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 7: That was dope because that was Benny's opportunity. And then

869
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 7: the other part of that is that Melina was Benny's assistant.

870
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, Benny. She was Benny's assistant.

871
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 7: And then I remember there was a video for Ludacris

872
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 7: that he didn't do that she did, and then that

873
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 7: blew her up. So there, So I think the thing

874
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 7: that I appreciate about our era in our community is

875
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 7: that all those pieces like connected in some kind of

876
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 7: way to push us where we are.

877
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: We got to just keep going.

878
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: So, okay, when you are putting flyers in the record stores, right,

879
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: I'll do your video and you start making traction. At

880
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: what point do you realize that there's a pivot to

881
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: this and that maybe you want to start doing something

882
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: more like maybe the next step up is epk's and

883
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: then the next step is commercials. Then the next step

884
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: of is episodes production company. So for you, what was

885
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: your first pivot too, Hey, there's something more I can

886
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: do besides the music video.

887
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I wish that I could be like Yo, And

888
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 7: then I saw the light, you know, but I was

889
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 7: so dug into music videos that I didn't see anything else.

890
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: Like the start was music videos were never a dream.

891
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 7: It was making movies, you know, after reading She's got

892
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 7: to have it right, So.

893
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: You wanted to make movies from the gate gate from

894
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: the gate, I wrote, Okay, I wrote a feature I

895
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: wrote a feature script, you know, when I was twenty.

896
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 7: Of course, it's like every twenty year old script. That

897
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 7: was a story about me, about a kid who went

898
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 7: to college and then the old thing.

899
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: Right.

900
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 7: So, but then as I was trying to work within

901
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 7: the business, because I did all those warehouse jobs and

902
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 7: those you know, janitorial.

903
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: Jobs, and I was like, I gotta figure out how

904
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: to stay in the in the game. Music videos became

905
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: a way to make two hundred dollars. Then it just

906
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: grew and the business I just timing was right, and

907
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: the business grew, and I was like, I'm never going

908
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: back because I had a couple of dollars and I

909
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 2: just was like, I'm never.

910
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 7: Going back to how that felt, you know, being in

911
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 7: a guard shack as a security guard with a rat

912
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 7: running under the you know what I mean, in Baltimore.

913
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: So I just tried to get better and better and

914
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: better and better and there and I was embedded in

915
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: the culture.

916
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 7: And you know, when I went to a bigger company,

917
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 7: which was Michelle Gandri's company, part of the you know,

918
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 7: there was an executive there who was like, man, you

919
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 7: need to shoot commercials, and it was so funny.

920
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: I had my one experience. I did Maya in Common

921
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: for Coca Cold.

922
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: You shot that, Oh.

923
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't.

924
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know you directed that joint. I wasn't on

925
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: the set, but I did the music to that.

926
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: Of course you did exactly so, but.

927
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 7: But I that experience. Once I did it, it didn't

928
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 7: feel good. To me because when you do a commercial,

929
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 7: every time you do a take, you stop. You have

930
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 7: to look back at the agency, and the agency is

931
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 7: huddled around the TV. And then then they tell you

932
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 7: if you can move on, even if you can move

933
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 7: to the medium shot. And so I've had a few

934
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 7: years is now and of being like the record company

935
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 7: just having trust and going Okay, man, thanks, we're gonna

936
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 7: we're gonna go to lunch while you guys do this.

937
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 7: We'll be back later, and just having kind of that

938
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 7: full creative power. And what I didn't realize is that, man,

939
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 7: you should you should really make these relationships like l

940
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 7: to me back in the day, like advertising is a

941
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 7: thing you can bring your talent to this world. And

942
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 7: because of that executive, I did a.

943
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 2: Lot of stuff. I did Nike and Gatorading. I got

944
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: to do a lot, but I never enjoyed it. I

945
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: just wanted to get back to, you know, dealing with

946
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: you know.

947
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: What I knew I was going to use this moment

948
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: to ask, was that the executive was that Ron Fair

949
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: micromanaging you.

950
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: Ron Fair. Ron Fair didn't mess with me too much. Cool.

951
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: He's probably the reason why I didn't want to go

952
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: to a commercial suit like he. I mean at the time,

953
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: I was like regularly producing Common so I thought, okay,

954
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: really I thought, okay, this is gonna be my audition

955
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: to start working with Maya. But I didn't realize that

956
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: Ron Fair was being brought in to make sure that

957
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: like basically he just kud A Todd the whole thing,

958
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: and like, is he.

959
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: What the advertising company or is he what the.

960
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,439
Speaker 1: Ron Fair is the guy who famously told the Black

961
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: Eyed Peas, look, guys, you could either be a success

962
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: or you could be the roots. Which one you want

963
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: to be? Like Ron Fair was Jimmy I Bean's right

964
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: hand man.

965
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: That's why we gotta have will on ou know what

966
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: you know? If he made.

967
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: So, you're still my buddy.

968
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, I remember Ron Fair used to come with

969
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: his Dora and he just right, he was come through.

970
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: He didn't bother me too much like he But it's

971
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: just weird, you know when you think back, Like my

972
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: focus was so on the work, you know, and until

973
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: the ad who you know, we had worked together so

974
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: many times shout out Moni Greenley.

975
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 7: He was like, okay, I'd be going on to the

976
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 7: next shot to go Chris, Okay, we gotta stop, we

977
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 7: gotta have this conversation with these eighteen people, so that

978
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 7: pivot didn't really happen, you know, like like I thought

979
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 7: about it and did the pivot. It happened because there

980
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 7: was an executive who recognized.

981
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 4: This is gonna sound real random. But as you're talking,

982
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 4: it just made me think. So, did did the Wire

983
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 4: have any effect on you in a way as a director?

984
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 7: No, just I was I was in I was. I

985
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 7: remember I used to watch The Wire in the edit

986
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 7: facility while I was in La Wow. The only effect

987
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 7: that it had on me was everybody going, is it

988
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 7: really like that in Baltimore?

989
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 4: I start as a director and being from Baltimore, and

990
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 4: it made you to go like, maybe there is something

991
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 4: else for me outside of these commercials in this video

992
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 4: and you know, I didn't know that made you feel like.

993
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 2: Well, by the time the Wire came, yeah, I was.

994
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: I was pretty pretty deep in it. So I definitely

995
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: wanted to shoot the Wire and I had. One of

996
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: the things that I regret to this day is I

997
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: got a call from Bob Colesberg, who was one of

998
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: the creators of Wire, and Bob Colesbery said, hey, man,

999
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: we heard you from Baltimore. I saw your work. Would

1000
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: you come and do an episode? Hell? Yeah, I'm coming.

1001
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 2: All right? So this is this.

1002
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 7: Is this is how you you know, this is what

1003
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 7: you learned about agents and everything, right, Okay, So Listen

1004
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 7: invited me to come and direct. And when I talked later,

1005
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 7: there's some guys who were on there like it just Elba.

1006
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 2: They had told the actors like, yo, Chris Roberts is coming,

1007
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 2: were like, Yo, don't you know, We're gonna get this

1008
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: brother to come through. So I had done atl and

1009
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 2: I was in post. I mean I was almost done.

1010
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: I think we were like just doing the sound. And

1011
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: my agent was like, well, Chris, you probably shouldn't do

1012
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 2: that because maybe Warner Brothers might feel.

1013
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 7: Away, and you know, I'm new. You know, I'm new

1014
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 7: as far as like working with us. It's my first movie.

1015
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 7: And I listened to him and that was a mistake.

1016
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 7: But then how God works, I got another call and

1017
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 7: I was working on What was I working on? I

1018
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 7: was working on some big, big opportunity, but it was

1019
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 7: the same thing. Like I was in post and they

1020
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 7: offered it to me again, and I didn't do it.

1021
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 7: I couldn't do it. I was in the middle of

1022
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 7: you know what it was. I was in the middle

1023
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 7: of a movie that never happened, right. You know, you

1024
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 7: do a movie like they don't pay you, you're on

1025
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 7: it for a year.

1026
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 2: And then if it pops, you go.

1027
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 7: So I was in the middle of this and once

1028
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 7: again I got that advice and didn't do it.

1029
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 4: So will you be on a movie for a year

1030
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 4: and they don't pay you?

1031
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 2: What is this?

1032
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 3: What is this movie?

1033
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 4: Magic?

1034
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 3: No, y'all gotta let me tell you something.

1035
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 4: Y'all better tell these people the real story of how

1036
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 4: this shit happens. Because people just think the money is

1037
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 4: thrown in the beginning. They make a deal and you're

1038
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 4: rich throughout the making of it to the end, and

1039
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 4: didn't you get stuff on.

1040
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 3: The back end.

1041
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: To make a movie is difficult, as question of to

1042
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: make a mediocre movie is difficult. It is brutal to

1043
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: think of all these things.

1044
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 7: That are in your head and how you have to

1045
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 7: work with a crew of people to make all this

1046
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 7: stuff work, the personalities, the actors.

1047
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: It's difficult. Right to make a great movie.

1048
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 7: That director is like miracle genius genius level, right, a

1049
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 7: miracle worker. I always look at these guys when you

1050
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 7: when you watch a movie and you are just thoroughly

1051
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 7: satisfied and.

1052
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: Go, what did he go through to make this? To

1053
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: make this thing happen? And having the experience now it's

1054
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: it's it's difficult. But every movie you see, there's this

1055
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: last movie I did with you know, Shooting Stars.

1056
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 7: I'm on that movie for three and a half years,

1057
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 7: because there's there's the prep and then there's oh, we're

1058
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 7: gonna go Oh.

1059
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 2: Actually the studio is going to push it till next year,

1060
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 2: like you know, that's just the that's just the way

1061
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,479
Speaker 2: it ends. And the book. The producer got the rights

1062
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 2: to the book thirteen years ago. So when you you

1063
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: would think, oh it's Lebron.

1064
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 7: James, this is a layup, this movie is gonna get

1065
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 7: made quickly, it took thirteen years for that movie to

1066
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 7: be made, and I was on it for three and

1067
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 7: a half. So it's it's a it has to you

1068
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 7: have to love it. It's got to be a labor

1069
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 7: of love. And that's just what it is.

1070
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: What takes so.

1071
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 6: Long for a movie about the biggest basketball start in

1072
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 6: the world to be made, well.

1073
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: I think from the perspective of the studio, the studio

1074
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: right they're going, Okay, well does this work in our slate?

1075
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: Because they got all these other movies.

1076
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 7: They're making a big giant I'm not saying I don't

1077
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 7: think Universal does Marvel, but whatever those big movies are, right,

1078
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 7: then there's a lot of they're going for awards or

1079
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 7: other movies, just whatever their slate is, Where does it

1080
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 7: fit in? Once it's there, when do we put that

1081
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 7: movie out when's most advantageous.

1082
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: So they're dealing with the business aspect. We're dealing with

1083
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: the creative aspect. How do you tell this story?

1084
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 7: Because there's been a book, there's been a documentary, now

1085
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 7: here's a feature film.

1086
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: What's the tone? How do you tell this? Why people care?

1087
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: Who can play Lebron James? Let's do that for you.

1088
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, isn't isn't timing of

1089
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: the essence? Because if you're telling the not a cradle

1090
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: of the grave, but a childhood to adult story, like

1091
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: the likelihood of your target that you're working with.

1092
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 3: Might get older and then be the past age of.

1093
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: What you need him for. Like, isn't that also a problem?

1094
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 7: Well, I think if the person was in it right.

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Speaker 7: So when we finally found Mookie Cook to play Lebron.

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Speaker 7: You know he's seventeen, you know, so we once that

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Speaker 7: was really the button pusher, like can you find Lebron?

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Speaker 2: Like it's a needle in the haystack, Like no, we didn't.

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Speaker 2: Nobody believe a lot of people just were like, how

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Speaker 2: is this ever going to happen?

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Speaker 7: You know, a lot of people had no idea. Caleb

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Speaker 7: McLaughlin could who you know there needed to be for

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Speaker 7: this particular movie. There needed to be an athletic skill

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Speaker 7: level and they needed to be acting skill level.

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Speaker 2: And I'd worked with Caleb on.

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Speaker 7: The New Edition story, so I knew, and he'd been

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00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 7: lying king on Broadway. His kid's pretty amazing, right, so

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00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 7: I learned. I watched him learn to dance like.

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Speaker 3: Stranger things for everybody else who doesn't even know what

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Speaker 3: we talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Caleb.

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Speaker 7: And but then when he came to the audition, he

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Speaker 7: had handled he was balling. I pulled him aside. I

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Speaker 7: was like, hey man, what you been doing since I saw.

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Speaker 2: You three years ago? Like he could ball for real?

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Speaker 2: And that was a godsend because he's such an amazing actor.

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Speaker 2: But but just to answer your question, like those things,

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Speaker 2: that's real time like we found. We didn't do a

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Speaker 2: traditional casting. We did some traditional with Kim Coleman, who

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Speaker 2: was amazing. She does all the big movies.

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Speaker 7: But we we actually got in a car and went

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Speaker 7: up and down the East Coast, Me and my boy

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Speaker 7: Yer own hips and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jay, yes, I.

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Speaker 3: Didn't know he was that involved.

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Speaker 7: Gracious he ended up coming in and being one of

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Speaker 7: our basketball consultants because he's so into that and it's.

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Speaker 2: Just the man.

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Speaker 7: And we went up and down the East Coast to

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Speaker 7: AAU tournaments and found Mookie and found Scoot. Wow, here's

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Speaker 7: a good way that. Here's a good story about how

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Speaker 7: videos connect. We met Scoot's dad. Now, Scoot just went

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Speaker 7: number three in the draft to Portland Trailblazers.

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Speaker 3: What wait, hold on.

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Speaker 2: He plays Romeo in the movie. Okay, okay, so he

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Speaker 2: just draft night. He went number three to the Portland Trailblazer. Wow.

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Speaker 3: He was really good too. It's something else in there.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, it's more story.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, yeah, so we meet his dad.

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Speaker 7: Now, think we're at an AAU tournament going, excuse me, sir,

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Speaker 7: we're making a movie about Lebron James, and like it's

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Speaker 7: just me and himps, it's no official anybody else with us,

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Speaker 7: and the dad is kinda and his son's gonna go

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01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 7: his son's already in the G League and his son's

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Speaker 7: gonna go pro.

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Speaker 2: He was there with his other kids. He's got other

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01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: kids who were in a tournament. But hips knew of

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Speaker 2: his dad. So we're talking to his dad and and

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Speaker 2: we do our pitch and then you know, I have

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Speaker 2: to pitch.

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Speaker 7: How there's a little silence, and these were just stand

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01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 7: there looking at each other, and he goes, didn't you

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Speaker 7: do one mic?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: That legitimized me to him to have this conversation about

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Speaker 2: his son being in the movie and that that dad.

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Speaker 1: As hip hop heads. I wish I knew the feeling man,

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Speaker 1: the feeling.

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Speaker 6: Chris, I want to ask you about Erica is the

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Speaker 6: Honey video? You did that under an alias?

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Speaker 1: What was the yeah? Was that your Alan Smithey like no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: or were you trying to just establish your company different? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Uh.

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Speaker 1: This sounds like what it was.

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Speaker 2: Erica and I had worked before. Now I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 2: let me start this off by saying how much I

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Speaker 2: love Erica, but she she is not only a wonderful,

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Speaker 2: amazing artist, but she is a icun.

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Speaker 7: So we worked together and on the first one with

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Speaker 7: common love of my life. But what I didn't know

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Speaker 7: is like Erica's very involved. Like Erica wants to make

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Speaker 7: the outfit, she wants to cook the lunch, she wants

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Speaker 7: to look at every shot. And we did it and

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Speaker 7: it wasn't it's not. So then we worked again on this,

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01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 7: so like we had the connection right, she wanted to

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Speaker 7: work together again.

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Speaker 2: Were together again, and I.

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Speaker 7: Had, you know, my company's role by film company, my

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Speaker 7: Instagram handles mister Roberto director. So now I think this

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Speaker 7: is before Instagram or anything else, but I had, you know,

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Speaker 7: people would call me mister Robot and mister Rabato.

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Speaker 2: So we did it again and it was the same thing.

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01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 2: But she.

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Speaker 7: This is the first time she wanted a director's credit. Now,

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01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 7: in the video world, there is a thing where certain

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01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 7: artists will want a video a director's credit.

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Speaker 2: And I took that thing seriously, like.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, if we're gonna co direct this cool,

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Speaker 7: But like certain artists would just go, I'm the artist,

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Speaker 7: just put my name on it.

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Speaker 2: And so me and Erica worked together. It was beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It was the most beautiful.

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Speaker 7: We had known each other, so we knew how to

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Speaker 7: work together, and I think we pulled out another good

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Speaker 7: one because she's she's a genius, especially choosing all those

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Speaker 7: names for the album covers.

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Speaker 2: So then I get a note from the label later

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Speaker 2: that said Erica wants her director's credit on this, and

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Speaker 2: you know, I was like, what so because I take

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Speaker 2: it so seriously, So I was like, well, I mean,

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Speaker 2: if she's gonna get her get the director's credit, that's cool.

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Speaker 2: I'm just in my artist ship and now go, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna put mister Rabato, right, because that's that's my aliens.

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Speaker 2: So I put mister Rabato and then we won the damn.

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Speaker 7: MTV Award, My my MTV Award Best Director.

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Speaker 2: Mister not have my name on it.

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Speaker 7: Less just to be clear on this amazing podcast, Erica Baddud,

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Speaker 7: I have so much love for you.

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Speaker 2: We've worked together.

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Speaker 7: I've shot her and a different you know shows, and

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Speaker 7: we always have talked about doing a movie together. But

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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 7: I just think that's this, this mister Roboto represents.

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Speaker 2: I'm an artist and I'm sensitive about my.

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Speaker 1: Understandable understandable.

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Speaker 3: You did really well with that explanation.

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Speaker 5: Hey QLs listeners, this is unpaid billed right. Here's where

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Speaker 5: we're going to pause this interview. Check back next week.

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Speaker 5: You're looking your podcast being for part two. In that conversation,

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Speaker 5: Chris Robinson reveals more inf and outs from the iconic

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Speaker 5: music videos and it's pivot to filmmaking. Make sure you

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Speaker 5: check out Chris Robinson's latest creation, Shooting Stars, where he

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Speaker 5: tells the story of teenage Lebron James.

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