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Speaker 1: our sixth episode. Think it will be another great episode.
Speaker 1: I have my big brother of mine, um, a guy
Speaker 1: who I play with, uh won a championship with, but
Speaker 1: more importantly, a guy who I've had respect for forever.
Speaker 1: I love the way he went about his career, love
Speaker 1: the way he's gone about life after basketball and dominating
Speaker 1: and trail blaze in the path for myself in this space,
Speaker 1: and and podcasting and what he's done. And at the
Speaker 1: other half of all the smoke, Matt Barnes, who I
Speaker 1: will have and as a guest, a super, super super
Speaker 1: insightful interview, as Matt always is. I think you know
Speaker 1: you'll what you'll take away from this interview, Hopefully it's
Speaker 1: what I always take away um from Matt when I
Speaker 1: hear him speak is number one. Hopefully people will learn
Speaker 1: how to continue to separate the basketball player from the
Speaker 1: person as someone who deals with that a lot. I
Speaker 1: actually posted on my story the other day and I
Speaker 1: just put L O L some guys saying like Draymonds
Speaker 1: are really nice. We were in New York actually, and
Speaker 1: I think it was one of the guys who was
Speaker 1: probably saying outside the hotel, said, Draymond is a really
Speaker 1: nice guy off the basketball court. And you know the
Speaker 1: reality is people meet you on the basket, or they
Speaker 1: don't meet you. People get to know what they think
Speaker 1: they know of you from watching you do your job
Speaker 1: and play basketball. And kind of have this perception of
Speaker 1: who you are as a person. And I think it's
Speaker 1: always a bit skewed because the reality is most people's
Speaker 1: job they don't compete head to head with someone like
Speaker 1: we do. But I think in all jobs, or most jobs,
Speaker 1: there is competition. You know you're whether it's the competitor
Speaker 1: you're competing against as far as other companies was in
Speaker 1: your space, whether it's you trying to get some award
Speaker 1: throughout the ranks of the company, whether it's trying to
Speaker 1: move up. I think there is always competition, but it's
Speaker 1: not quite head to head and so direct as us
Speaker 1: who I'm trying to destroy my opponent, like I want
Speaker 1: you to know, I'm trying to take your heart. I'm
Speaker 1: mentally trying to destroy you. And I am very very
Speaker 1: upfront and direct about that. I'm not trying to hide that.
Speaker 1: And and I think in most fields that's probably a
Speaker 1: little different. So when you when you're watching the game
Speaker 1: or you see someone like myself, like a Matt Bars,
Speaker 1: you kind of had this perception of who you think
Speaker 1: this person is, and and a lot of the times
Speaker 1: it's it's as far away from what you actually thinks
Speaker 1: as it possibly can be. And so I hope people
Speaker 1: leave the interview with Matt if you haven't, I tuned
Speaker 1: into all the smoking and realize how smart of a
Speaker 1: guy he is, how well spoken he is, how thoughtful
Speaker 1: Matt Barnes is. That you will leave this episode of
Speaker 1: The Draymond Green Show with that understanding of Matt Bonners.
Speaker 1: But like I said, even deeper in understanding that who
Speaker 1: you see on basketball courts on football fields, I think
Speaker 1: in Dominan Sue is another one. A guy who I
Speaker 1: have a great relationship with, who you know you've seen
Speaker 1: have incidents on the field. Uh, he's had some nasty
Speaker 1: moments where people are on the field and you think,
Speaker 1: like man and domin Con Sue is a bad guy.
Speaker 1: Yet this guy is an engineer, a legit engineer, not
Speaker 1: like someone who's just like went into a space like no,
Speaker 1: this guy went to school for engineering, extremely smart, extremely
Speaker 1: incredible person, and extremely incredible business man. But yet you
Speaker 1: you've seen him on the field and you think, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a nasty guy. So I said all of
Speaker 1: that to say, hopefully leaving this episode you will understand
Speaker 1: that what you see on the basketball court, what you
Speaker 1: see on the football field. What you may see if
Speaker 1: elon Musk and the media and create your opinions is
Speaker 1: you're watching someone do their job. And if I came
Speaker 1: to watch you do your job, what what I think
Speaker 1: of you? Did you know what I think the same
Speaker 1: thing I thought of you before? Probably not, because we're
Speaker 1: all a little different in our work environment. So hopefully
Speaker 1: you'll come away from uh this episode with a little
Speaker 1: bit of that. And I will say the topics of
Speaker 1: the interview with Matt Barnes for the actual interview and
Speaker 1: around the association as we always like to start off
Speaker 1: this our episodes just with things that's going on in
Speaker 1: the NBA is of course, should be the number one
Speaker 1: thing on this show. I think man COVID, which seems
Speaker 1: like this thing has been going on forever now, and
Speaker 1: the reality is I think this thing will go on forever.
Speaker 1: I think at some point we will learned to live
Speaker 1: with it. I think at some point it won't be
Speaker 1: as big of a deal when someone does test positive
Speaker 1: or someone is a little sick. I don't think it
Speaker 1: will be as big of a deal as it is today.
Speaker 1: But I also said that a year ago that this
Speaker 1: thing isn't going anywhere, and one day, we're gonna learn
Speaker 1: to live with it. A year later, I still have
Speaker 1: those same thoughts. I don't think this thing is going anywhere.
Speaker 1: I got that part right, definitely got that part right.
Speaker 1: Things definitely not going anywhere. Is here to stay. But
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure I got the part right yet
Speaker 1: that we will learn to live with it. And the
Speaker 1: reason I'm not quite sure that I got that part
Speaker 1: right is for two reasons, actually a few reasons, but
Speaker 1: one being where once again seeing NBA games postpone due
Speaker 1: to COVID outbreaks, and I definitely understand why the games
Speaker 1: are postponed because you're now losing guys. For instance, on Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: you have James Harden, you have Kevin Durant, you have
Speaker 1: Bruce brown Um, you have LaMarcus Aldrich, James Johnson, and
Speaker 1: I'm missing a few guys, but you actually, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm missing a few guys for sure, because I think
Speaker 1: they have like ten guys on the list. But we
Speaker 1: can just stop at Kevin Durant and James Harden, and
Speaker 1: we can just stop there. And the reality is stats
Speaker 1: when you're talking to the Brooklyn Nets, you're talking Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant and James Harden if you're going to see that
Speaker 1: team play. Obviously, Kevin Kyrie Era has not played the
Speaker 1: entire season, which we will touch on as well, but um,
Speaker 1: when you're going to see that game, like, those are
Speaker 1: the guys that you're really going to see. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just the way it is around the league. And
Speaker 1: those guys are out. But not only are those guys out,
Speaker 1: because I think if if it was just those two
Speaker 1: and and and everyone else was healthy, the league will
Speaker 1: keep going and they will continue to have games. But
Speaker 1: the fact that you have so many guys out and
Speaker 1: those two you see, Uh, the league, as of yesterday
Speaker 1: or today, yesterday, they you know, implemented a rule where
Speaker 1: you can sign replacement players if if you have guys
Speaker 1: on the COVID list. Uh, if you have a guy out,
Speaker 1: you can sign one. If you get the two guys,
Speaker 1: you can sign one, then you get the three guys
Speaker 1: you have to sign too, you get the four guys
Speaker 1: you have signed three, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: But what I do understand is that if if Kevin
Speaker 1: Duran and James Harden are out and you're just signing
Speaker 1: replacement players, that's not really the product people have in mind.
Speaker 1: When when they're talking about going to see a Brooklyn
Speaker 1: Nets game, And so I do understand um why those
Speaker 1: games have been postponed on top of the most important
Speaker 1: reason being just to try to stop the spread, try
Speaker 1: to stop the outbreak amongst the team and spreading throughout
Speaker 1: the league into other teams, that being the number one thing,
Speaker 1: and then what I just woke on being number two.
Speaker 1: But when I say we would be able to live
Speaker 1: with this thing, what I mean by that is if
Speaker 1: someone had the flu, Jordan Pool, for instances in in
Speaker 1: the protocol for our team. Wiggins just went in the
Speaker 1: protocol for our team. If Andrew Wiggins and Jordan Pool
Speaker 1: had the flu, we wouldn't be testing for it because
Speaker 1: we learned to live with the flu. If they had
Speaker 1: the common code, we wouldn't be testing for it because
Speaker 1: we've learned to live with the common code. It's just
Speaker 1: what the word to start the the name of the
Speaker 1: thing is, it's common. It's now a common thing. So
Speaker 1: we've learned to live with those things. And when I
Speaker 1: say we will learn to live with COVID, and where
Speaker 1: I said I got that part wrong is because we're
Speaker 1: still canceling games. We're still postponing games. We're still testing
Speaker 1: guys to see how long they have COVID, and once
Speaker 1: they're COVID free, return to negative tests, they can return
Speaker 1: back to the team and to the facility and all
Speaker 1: of these things, which means we still have not learned
Speaker 1: to live with it. And the reason we haven't is
Speaker 1: because we're still testing for We're still removing people when
Speaker 1: they come when they test positive. And I don't think
Speaker 1: this is going anywhere. So if it's not going anywhere
Speaker 1: in eight years, someone test positive for COVID, are we
Speaker 1: still testing for COVID and eight years like we are today?
Speaker 1: And if someone test positive for COVID and eight years,
Speaker 1: are we still removing them like we're removing guys? Or
Speaker 1: are we still postponing games like we're postponing games in
Speaker 1: eight years? Because then you have to ask yourself, especially
Speaker 1: if it's that far out, did we learn to live
Speaker 1: with it? Or is that just the new normal? And
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of in this space right now of
Speaker 1: like it's our new normal, going to be testing forever
Speaker 1: and once someone tests positive for COVID, removing them from
Speaker 1: life as we know it, will that be our new normal?
Speaker 1: And will that be considered living with this thing or
Speaker 1: will it be like everything else where we kind of
Speaker 1: just go on and if you don't feel sick, you're
Speaker 1: going about your day, you know, and if you feel
Speaker 1: a little sick, depending on what that is. You know,
Speaker 1: someone has a cough, a little cough, they don't really
Speaker 1: remove themselves from daily life, you know. If someone has
Speaker 1: the flu, you're kind of stuck in the bed, and
Speaker 1: so you're automatically removed. But you know, this is a
Speaker 1: little different, and so does does it become our new
Speaker 1: normal where we're testing and we're removing people away, you know,
Speaker 1: years years from now, or do we learn to live
Speaker 1: with it? And just like any other sickness or virus,
Speaker 1: if you show symptoms, you kind of get checked out,
Speaker 1: You lay low, you do you know, you do the thing,
Speaker 1: you take medicine, like all these other things that we
Speaker 1: do in life when it comes to sicknesses and diseases
Speaker 1: and viruses. Will that be our new norm? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's it's very interesting, but I must say I definitely
Speaker 1: thought we was past this part of it, and we're not.
Speaker 1: But speaking of COVID, and we also talked spoke on
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn nets Um Kyrie Irvin. Brooklyn Nets said they
Speaker 1: are letting Kyrie Irvin play in away games, not in
Speaker 1: New York, which could be the Knicks, um or in States,
Speaker 1: or in Canada, or which is a country where their
Speaker 1: rules aren't the same, thinking California. In order to play
Speaker 1: in California, I who play for the California team has
Speaker 1: to be vaccinated. But if you're a visiting player, you
Speaker 1: can COVID test and you don't have to be vaccinated.
Speaker 1: I think that is our rule. Um actually, I don't
Speaker 1: think I know for certain that is our rules. So
Speaker 1: and you know, Kyrie will be able to play when
Speaker 1: the brooklyn Nets come to come and visit us and
Speaker 1: here in San Francisco, but they're allowing him to play
Speaker 1: away games. And they said it was due to the
Speaker 1: amount of injuries and um dropping Kevin Durant's worklow, which
Speaker 1: has been I mean insane. By the way, Kevin Durant like,
Speaker 1: you can't tell me this dude how to chilly surgery.
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. This man is obviously I know
Speaker 1: he did spend time with them post a chilly surgery,
Speaker 1: but it's hard to believe Kevin Durant had a chilling surgery.
Speaker 1: At the way he's playing, I mean, at the level
Speaker 1: that he's at every single night, the minutes he's playing
Speaker 1: like that's insane. So I just wanted to throw that
Speaker 1: out there. But I don't know. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: you obviously want Kyrie Irving the part of your team.
Speaker 1: I don't know, part time full time doesn't work. Part
Speaker 1: time is the question? Like, how does that work in
Speaker 1: the playoff series where you know, you could be on
Speaker 1: the road for four games, at home for three games. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, how does that work out? From a chemistry standpoint?
Speaker 1: How does it work where a guy could be missing
Speaker 1: from a team for two weeks on a on a
Speaker 1: twiter road trip, then you come home from that twiter
Speaker 1: road trip, you have two road games, and then you
Speaker 1: go back on the road for two games. It's like,
Speaker 1: how do you build connuity? Uh, the familiarity amongst the group?
Speaker 1: How does that work out? I think those are some
Speaker 1: of the questions that people have, and you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see how it works out. But like I said before,
Speaker 1: if you have Kyrie Irvan, you can have Kyrie Irvan available.
Speaker 1: I understand makeing Kyrie available. You know there are they
Speaker 1: are a completely different team with Kyrie UH. And we
Speaker 1: all know Kyrie is a once in a lifetime a
Speaker 1: generational talent, especially with the way he handles the ball
Speaker 1: and finishes around the rim. UH. One of the shiftiest
Speaker 1: guys we've ever seen in our league, for certain. So
Speaker 1: you got Kyrie. I understand adding Kyrie. So we'll see
Speaker 1: how it goes, because, like I said, those questions that
Speaker 1: I just posed, they are reality, and those are the
Speaker 1: challenges that they'll have to face. But we'll see how
Speaker 1: it goes. And then also around the Association, we recently
Speaker 1: played in Toronto and their crowds at fifty percent. Again
Speaker 1: obviously totally different country, so they're probably under the guidance
Speaker 1: of their government and asking them to reduce UH their
Speaker 1: attendants to fifty percent. Again, I can't quite foresee that
Speaker 1: being a thing around the league throughout America. I just
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. And maybe that goes
Speaker 1: back to maybe we are learning to live with it,
Speaker 1: you know, and and maybe you know, we're starting to
Speaker 1: just realize what some of our new normals are. The
Speaker 1: crowd thing, it was a little weird, you know, you
Speaker 1: I mean to see that. Obviously I didn't play in
Speaker 1: the Toronto game. But to see that and you know
Speaker 1: as a little traumatizing. You know, you go from the
Speaker 1: crowds that we were in and you know, pre COVID
Speaker 1: to what we went through through COVID, from the bubble too.
Speaker 1: I mean at one point last year we had family
Speaker 1: in the building, like a hundred of people in the
Speaker 1: building to a thousand people or whatever the progression was.
Speaker 1: To now see this thing drop back to is like whoa, Like,
Speaker 1: it's a little traumatizing because as as you know, as
Speaker 1: an athlete, as a basketball player, I mean essentially an entertainer,
Speaker 1: that's what you do. You entertain crowds. You feed off
Speaker 1: the crowd, you feed off the energy, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it drops back the feet percentage like oh man,
Speaker 1: like here we go with this again, you know, not
Speaker 1: this again, Like you know, we've seen enough for this.
Speaker 1: And and then you think about the business side of it.
Speaker 1: I think when you look at the NBA and they
Speaker 1: pulled it off, so kudos to the league office. But
Speaker 1: they did everything in their power to get the season
Speaker 1: back on the normal schedule, and we did that and
Speaker 1: we're back on a normal schedule like we were pre COVID,
Speaker 1: and I know the ramifications uh that COVID had on
Speaker 1: the league. I know what it did to the scheduling,
Speaker 1: and so to think that there would be another stoppage
Speaker 1: or you know, some other delays, I I just can't
Speaker 1: really foresee it with everything that's going on, to get
Speaker 1: through or to get back to somewhat normal for us,
Speaker 1: which has been I must say, until the Toronto game.
Speaker 1: I just can't really foresee it going back to where
Speaker 1: it was. And then also the amount of opinions are
Speaker 1: I mean, we've all heard everyone's opinion now at this
Speaker 1: point on what the shutdowns there was shutting down the
Speaker 1: economy did, was shutting down this business and that business there,
Speaker 1: the effects that it had on us as a whole
Speaker 1: as people, I just really can't foresee it going back
Speaker 1: to where it was or or or some type of
Speaker 1: shutdown or some type of pauls you know, throughout the league.
Speaker 1: I really just can't foresee that in and I hope
Speaker 1: it doesn't end up there. Um, you know, but you know,
Speaker 1: I think you know, we all know this this outbreak
Speaker 1: throughout not only our league, but throughout the NFL as well. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's been pretty substantial, and it's not one guy,
Speaker 1: it's not two guys, it's not ten guys. Uh, if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, I think the NFL has a hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty guys on the COVID ire list. That's a
Speaker 1: ton of guys. And then you look at the amount
Speaker 1: of guys that's on the NBA Listen, it's get it
Speaker 1: gets interesting, and it's it's definitely getting a little dicey.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. Like I said, I hope
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. I hope we can continue to play.
Speaker 1: I hope we can keep everyone healthy, and I just
Speaker 1: hope we can figure this thing out and kind of
Speaker 1: figure out, like what is living with COVID as we know? Like,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's not it's not going anywhere. It's
Speaker 1: mutating more than it's going away. So what happens, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's interesting though, and hopefully, you know, we
Speaker 1: can continue to move through life, we can continue to
Speaker 1: figure out what we're figuring out, what we need to
Speaker 1: figure out, and if living with this will be our normal,
Speaker 1: hopefully we can figure that out as well. Uh if
Speaker 1: if if that's just going to be our new normal.
Speaker 1: So so If you follow me on Instagram, you may
Speaker 1: have saw my story that I said I needed to
Speaker 1: speak on this situation with with Kevin Durant and this
Speaker 1: young kid, Jaden Moore. I think the kid's name is
Speaker 1: Jaden Moore. Everyone's saying, oh, Katie's catching backlash for going
Speaker 1: at it with another kid, and it really pissed me off.
Speaker 1: And the reason it piss me off is because Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant catches backlash for criticizing I'm not sure how old
Speaker 1: the kid is now, but apparently this this video is
Speaker 1: from when he was in the sixth grade, so let's
Speaker 1: say the kids in the eighth grade, maybe even the
Speaker 1: ninth grade. Kevin Durant catches criticism for criticizing a sixth
Speaker 1: grade basketball player, seventh grade, eighth grade, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And I think that is the most ridiculous thing I've
Speaker 1: heard in a long time. And here's why. Be upset
Speaker 1: the day that the that the all time grades won't
Speaker 1: talk to the young kids. Be upset the day that
Speaker 1: the all time grade doesn't care to speak up on
Speaker 1: the kid who is doing a move in the game
Speaker 1: that is not fundamentally sound, that is a travel and
Speaker 1: a double dribble and whatever else you want to say.
Speaker 1: It is. It breaks a lot of rules and it
Speaker 1: was a nice looking move. It's great if the kid's
Speaker 1: goal is to play and one like a lot of
Speaker 1: our goals where when we were growing up, and one
Speaker 1: was it. You had hot Sauce, you had RP Escalade,
Speaker 1: you had UH Bone collector, you had all of these
Speaker 1: guys who it was incredible, but it's it wasn't NBA basketball,
Speaker 1: nor was it fundamentally sound basketball. A lot of it
Speaker 1: was travels, double dribbles, throwing the ball off the heasy
Speaker 1: and all of these things that they were doing while playing.
Speaker 1: It was a show. The game of basketball becomes a
Speaker 1: show when it's played the right way. That's when it
Speaker 1: really when when you're playing at the level that Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant is playing, myself, other guys in the NBA coach
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr always says, the show happens, guys, when when
Speaker 1: when we play defense and we take care of the ball,
Speaker 1: that's when the show happens. The show doesn't happen because
Speaker 1: this kid can do like a behind the backspin, wrap
Speaker 1: it around travel move. That's not the show. That's not
Speaker 1: what's going to get that kid to the NBA. And
Speaker 1: so for Kevin Durant to crush catch criticism for saying
Speaker 1: the move stinks, it is ridiculous. And I have to
Speaker 1: commend the kid for his response because that's what his
Speaker 1: response should have been. His response should be, thank you
Speaker 1: for the criticism, Kevin Durant for even caring to speak
Speaker 1: up on my move, Kevin Durant for having an interaction
Speaker 1: with me about me, Kevin Durant. I mean that actually
Speaker 1: should be a lifelong goal. The fact that that kid
Speaker 1: who probably aspires to be Kevin Durant, has Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: comment on something of his and yet we live in
Speaker 1: the world today, where as I said on my Twitter
Speaker 1: the other night, it's a shame that Jack Dorsey used
Speaker 1: his brilliance to give everyone a platform to say whatever
Speaker 1: the hell they want to say, because everyone doesn't know
Speaker 1: what needs to be said. Everyone doesn't use that platform
Speaker 1: the way it should be used. Because if you use
Speaker 1: that platform the way it should be used, you're encouraging
Speaker 1: that kid to listen with Kevin Durant has to say,
Speaker 1: Kevin Durst done it. He's doing it everything that that
Speaker 1: kid wants. Kevin Durant is done from a basketball perspective,
Speaker 1: So why is it that Kevin Durant should catch backlash
Speaker 1: for saying the move stinks? It does if you appreciate
Speaker 1: the game of basketball the way the game of basketball
Speaker 1: should be appreciated. The move does stink. Incredible that the
Speaker 1: kid has that type of footwork and that type of
Speaker 1: coordination to actually do that. But now let's build up
Speaker 1: on that with the fundamentals. And so I applaud Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant for speaking up and saying the move stinks. Let's
Speaker 1: stop teaching our kids who's going to take over this
Speaker 1: beautiful game of basketball that we all play, that that's
Speaker 1: what needs to be done. That's not what needs to
Speaker 1: be done. But yet that's what overtime posts on Instagram.
Speaker 1: That's what all of these pub the cases. They post
Speaker 1: that on Instagram, and then our kids think, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's what I need to do to get posted by
Speaker 1: these people. I'm gonna do that move and it's ruining
Speaker 1: the game of basketball. So you know why Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: gets criticized and catches backlash. Was saying that move stinks.
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant gets criticized and catches backlash. Was saying that
Speaker 1: move stinks because y'all can't tell his stink because people
Speaker 1: don't know the game of basketball like they think they
Speaker 1: know the game of basketball. And that's what you enjoy seeing.
Speaker 1: I hope the kids feel the kids feelings wasn't hurt
Speaker 1: one bit. I hope what that kid took away from
Speaker 1: that is I would be at the gym at six
Speaker 1: am the next morning before I go to school, working
Speaker 1: on my fundamentals. It is ridiculous what we're doing to
Speaker 1: the game of basketball. It is ridiculous that somebody will
Speaker 1: highlight that move. It's a travel and a double dribble.
Speaker 1: Why highlight it? But I'm happy it was highlighted because
Speaker 1: now that kid had the opportunit. We need to interact
Speaker 1: with Kevin Durant, and I hope that kid take that
Speaker 1: interaction as far as he can take it. And I
Speaker 1: hope when that kid see it, another kid in ten
Speaker 1: years do that same move. I hope he'd go on
Speaker 1: Twitter and say that ship is trash, the same thing
Speaker 1: that Kevin Durst I'm sorry, stinks. That's what Kevin Durant said.
Speaker 1: I hope that kid go and say that because it
Speaker 1: was ridiculous that Kevin Durant catches backlash for it's saying
Speaker 1: a move that a young kid did that inspires to
Speaker 1: be him or someone else in this league sucks. That's
Speaker 1: the world we live in. It's ridiculous. If Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: can't speak up on the basketball move, who can? And
Speaker 1: this is for all the young kids out there. You
Speaker 1: decide what you're gonna go work on. Are you gonna
Speaker 1: go work on what Kevin Durant said, gonna work on
Speaker 1: because I know he knows what it takes to get there?
Speaker 1: Are you going to listen to the people on Twitter
Speaker 1: and Instagram that tells Kevin Durant he's wrong for telling
Speaker 1: you that move stinks? Oh and I also forgot to
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Speaker 1: a holiday dishing mailback episode. And the reason that is
Speaker 1: exciting because for you, the fans, the listeners, the subscribers
Speaker 1: who tune in every week, Um, since we've been doing
Speaker 1: this now, like I said, this is episode six, Uh
Speaker 1: so who's for those who's been tuning in I thank you.
Speaker 1: I don't take your ears for granted. I don't take
Speaker 1: your attention for granted. I don't take and most important,
Speaker 1: I don't take your time for granted. I really appreciate
Speaker 1: the subscribers and the listeners, so thank you. And because
Speaker 1: of your participation and your dedication to the Draymond Green Show,
Speaker 1: we will do a holiday mail back up. So put
Speaker 1: some questions. I mean, we're put it out there on Twitter,
Speaker 1: whether it's the you can send them to the volume sports,
Speaker 1: you can tag me in it, and you may have
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Speaker 1: your question featured on this mailback episode and answered. And
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to those, and I think it would
Speaker 1: be very excited. UH love to engage you guys and
Speaker 1: kind of hear what you're thinking and what you want
Speaker 1: to hear more of as opposed to just what I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: you know and so or what our guests haven't been thinking.
Speaker 1: So I want to take some of your questions and
Speaker 1: see what you want to hear, and so that will
Speaker 1: be a very fun and exciting episode. But for this week,
Speaker 1: as you know, our guests, as I spoke on before,
Speaker 1: who I Am extremely honored to have on this show. Uh.
Speaker 1: Like I said, championships, championship brother of mine, UM, but
Speaker 1: even further past the championship, just a big bro who
Speaker 1: I look up to, who gives me advice. So I
Speaker 1: still talk to pretty frequently. UM today. Excited to have
Speaker 1: him on the show and welcome Matt Barnes to the
Speaker 1: Draymond Green Show. Matt Barnes, my brother, Welcome to the
Speaker 1: Draymond Green Show. Man. I appreciate you having me and
Speaker 1: congratulations on the show. Man. I love that you're in
Speaker 1: this space. I knew it would only be a matter
Speaker 1: of time. Thank you. I appreciate you after you don't
Speaker 1: after watch him? How you and Stack doing it? I
Speaker 1: always tell people when I came on to your show,
Speaker 1: I felt like I just talked about everything. And part
Speaker 1: of the reason why I talked about everything is because
Speaker 1: y'all make that a safe space to get whatever it
Speaker 1: is that you want off your chest, to share. Whatever
Speaker 1: it is, whether it's basketball, weather, it's life, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: let's talk about it right here. So I think y'all
Speaker 1: have done a special job, and what y'all are doing
Speaker 1: is creating a path for guys like myself who obviously
Speaker 1: still currently playing, and but you know, athletes getting into
Speaker 1: the space and and really owning the content and and
Speaker 1: and all the things that you all have been able
Speaker 1: to do with special So I appreciate you all for
Speaker 1: for for trail blaze in this path, man, because it's
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this. It's a lot of fun for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was really the goal, you know, when I came
Speaker 1: up with the idea, you know, as you spoke to it,
Speaker 1: a safe space. You know, normally any kind of conversation
Speaker 1: you kind of have to be on edge if you're
Speaker 1: dealing with the media, and now that we transform from
Speaker 1: athletes to media, I wanted to still have that kind
Speaker 1: of same connection and energy because you know, you and
Speaker 1: I have had several conversations off the record, but I
Speaker 1: feel like we can still have those conversations on the
Speaker 1: record as long as it's a safe space. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we've been able to create first and almost
Speaker 1: a safe space and where guys feel comfortable and we
Speaker 1: can relate to each other. And I really feel like
Speaker 1: that's it brings out the best content, you know, So again,
Speaker 1: I'm excited during this space because I just always felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, outside of basketball. You've got a great mind
Speaker 1: and you land so much to so many different field
Speaker 1: so it's dope to you know, have bro with this space. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm happy for you. I appreciate, I appreciate
Speaker 1: how the boys. Man, good brother just turned thirteen. Can't
Speaker 1: tell them ship, they got a little bit. They got
Speaker 1: the little mustaches lined up by the barber for the
Speaker 1: first time, so it's it's it's dope. Man. I got
Speaker 1: teenagers now, so it's it's been a blast. And then
Speaker 1: the ash little man just turned three, um two weeks ago, man,
Speaker 1: So you know, I got teenagers and I got a
Speaker 1: three year old. So it's been fun. It's beautiful, it's
Speaker 1: it's grateful. Ash too. He tried to keep up with
Speaker 1: them because he's the young you know, he's a young
Speaker 1: with with you know, my girl has three kids from
Speaker 1: her previous mayor, so we've got six kids on the thirteen,
Speaker 1: so he's the youngest. So he's definitely tugging it out
Speaker 1: picking up a few words. I wish he kind of
Speaker 1: probably waited ten years to pick up, but you know
Speaker 1: that's what happens. Absolutely no, but obviously, uh, you had
Speaker 1: an incredible career and what we're sharing comments. You're pick
Speaker 1: in the draft, second round pick, and I think, um,
Speaker 1: I know for myself, going second round it brought a
Speaker 1: chip for me especially. You know, I came out of
Speaker 1: college national player of the Year, over Anthony Davis, over
Speaker 1: Damian little Ard, over all these guys, and I went
Speaker 1: second round. And I feel like that, like that fueled me.
Speaker 1: I wanted to destroy every one of those guys that
Speaker 1: drafted above me. I wanted to destroy every team that
Speaker 1: didn't pick me. That fueled me. That was that something
Speaker 1: that you carry with you through your career. How long
Speaker 1: could you carry the second round chip until you was
Speaker 1: kind of over it? I mean, should I still carry
Speaker 1: it to this day? You know what I mean? I mean,
Speaker 1: I take the same mindset I had in basketball the business,
Speaker 1: but you know, being a second round pick, not really
Speaker 1: getting a chance to even play. I was in Cleveland
Speaker 1: with John Lucas one of the first cuts, like maybe
Speaker 1: four practices and didn't really give me a chance and
Speaker 1: never let me get into drills or anything. So you know,
Speaker 1: I was off to the to the D League at
Speaker 1: the time. You know, me coming into the league and
Speaker 1: oh two, it's really back in that day. It's really
Speaker 1: about a position. You know. In the U c l A.
Speaker 1: I was similar to you. I was Swiss army knife,
Speaker 1: you know, I could play anything, but majority of the
Speaker 1: time I was an undersized power forward, you know. And
Speaker 1: in two thousand two coming into the league, the power
Speaker 1: forward to Chris Webber, Antonio mcdie, Kevin Garnett, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm sick. I'm six seven to ten at the time,
Speaker 1: so I really felt like I was kind of position
Speaker 1: list because of the way I played the U c
Speaker 1: l A. So it was almost like I had to
Speaker 1: reinvent myself as a pro, and it took a lot
Speaker 1: of hard nuts because you know, again towards the end
Speaker 1: of my career and when you came in, it was
Speaker 1: less about position. It was just more about basketball and
Speaker 1: i Q and again, so I had to kind of
Speaker 1: learn how to be a wing on the fly. So
Speaker 1: I always knew that I could play defense, so I
Speaker 1: just played my ass off on defense, hoping then that
Speaker 1: would give me some time to develop, you know, develop
Speaker 1: into a wing, which I had to be at you know,
Speaker 1: the first ten years of my career, and then I
Speaker 1: could last four Again the game got small or the
Speaker 1: game got faster, so I was able to move from
Speaker 1: the two to the three, to the four or whatever
Speaker 1: with sometimes even the five. So but the area original question,
Speaker 1: you know, definitely it was a chip um that I've
Speaker 1: had really my whole career. You know, I came into
Speaker 1: u c l A. We had the number one recruiting
Speaker 1: class back to back years, but I was the least
Speaker 1: heralded recruit um. You know, we had gern Rush, Ray Young,
Speaker 1: Dan Get, Jerry Droo mois So all McDonald's all Americans.
Speaker 1: I wasn't, you know, I was playing football at the time,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't really tripping off the McDonald's all American
Speaker 1: type stuff. But you know, it was always kind of
Speaker 1: just a grind. And you know, if you were to
Speaker 1: look back at that team with Baron Davis, Earrol Watson, Compono,
Speaker 1: everyone I listed, I would probably be the one that
Speaker 1: people say, well, is he gonna make it? And I
Speaker 1: ended up being the one that played the actual longest
Speaker 1: out of that whole group of names. So it's always
Speaker 1: kind of just been my mentality again, and I've taken
Speaker 1: that perspective from playing into this business world and kind
Speaker 1: of keep that same chip on my shoulder. No, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely fuel man and drives you for sharper.
Speaker 1: Speaking of you, just you spoke on football that you
Speaker 1: were playing football. I think a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: know your football background. Your resume. Obviously, I've heard I
Speaker 1: know all the resume just sitting on the planes and
Speaker 1: in the locker room, you kind of get everything. But
Speaker 1: tell these people about your football resume mount and they
Speaker 1: quite understand. Football is my first sport. I grew up
Speaker 1: playing football, tackle football in the streets. You know. My
Speaker 1: dad was in and out of trouble, uh and and
Speaker 1: and would always play Sunday flat or tackle football leagues
Speaker 1: at the park. So I grew up at the park
Speaker 1: watching football. So uh naturally, football is my first sport.
Speaker 1: I really didn't take basketball up until about junior high
Speaker 1: and as far as taking basketball serious, but I was
Speaker 1: natural at it. Um it was easily my best support.
Speaker 1: Basketball is a lot more challenging and football was. But
Speaker 1: when I was just thinking, you know, as a youngster,
Speaker 1: as we're playing, you can't tell no young kids that
Speaker 1: they're not going pro. So in my mind, all right,
Speaker 1: am I gonna go pro? And football or basketball? And
Speaker 1: you know, having a decorated high school receiving. You know,
Speaker 1: I led the nation touchdowns by senior year with a
Speaker 1: broken toe, kept playing. I was first team, you know,
Speaker 1: all American, recruited by everyone in football. But you know,
Speaker 1: when that time started to you know, go to college,
Speaker 1: Do I want to play both or do I really
Speaker 1: want to lock in and try to make a real
Speaker 1: career out of one of them? So I just chose
Speaker 1: basketball for longevity because at the time, you know, being
Speaker 1: sixth eight, there wasn't too many six eight receivers on
Speaker 1: you know, Harold Carmack. You look back the old Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles now the NFL, or I probably see me. About
Speaker 1: ten years ago, the NFL started looking at basketball players
Speaker 1: as valuable assets on the football field. You know, you
Speaker 1: see a bunch of guys that didn't even play football
Speaker 1: that are you know, making good money in the NFL now.
Speaker 1: But again, at that time, it wasn't too common. So
Speaker 1: you know, again, basketball was a lot more challenging for me.
Speaker 1: I had to work a lot harder, but that's so
Speaker 1: with someone you know, into his grind, and so I
Speaker 1: chose basketball, and you know, it ended up working out
Speaker 1: and ended up working out well. But you know, there's
Speaker 1: not a day that passes, and I know you kind
Speaker 1: of feel the same way. You're still in the mist
Speaker 1: your career, but I know you love bought at death
Speaker 1: and I'm always looking back, like, damn, what if I
Speaker 1: would have went this way? You know, I might have
Speaker 1: not played this long. But I knew I had a
Speaker 1: nice splash because you know I ran in high school,
Speaker 1: ran a four three nine. You know, I had a
Speaker 1: thirty nine inch vertical. I could really play, I could
Speaker 1: really catch, I knew how to run routes, and you
Speaker 1: know I love physicality, So you know, football was really
Speaker 1: my you know, god my god given talent, and you
Speaker 1: know I chose basketball to make a career outive though.
Speaker 1: That's that's interesting. I think for me, I actually I
Speaker 1: wasn't that good at football. Like I was a pretty
Speaker 1: good defensive and I could lock the ash down and
Speaker 1: like you wasn't running around age she was gonna have
Speaker 1: to cut it back to the middle. But I wasn't great,
Speaker 1: Like I was decent and pretty pretty good. But I
Speaker 1: didn't think. I thought for me when I stopped playing, Um,
Speaker 1: I stopped playing after my fresh so everybody think I
Speaker 1: played that Michigan state because of those a couple of
Speaker 1: clips when I played in the spring game. But I
Speaker 1: really stopped playing football after my freshman yor of high school.
Speaker 1: And the reason I stopped playing football after my freshman
Speaker 1: year high school was because, now that I look back
Speaker 1: on it, I was probably wrong. But from my freshman
Speaker 1: year to my sophomore year, I grew from six ft
Speaker 1: to to the high a m today, and my knees
Speaker 1: were hurting so bad to where yes, when we had
Speaker 1: when we had basketball trial right after football season, I
Speaker 1: couldn't run like I'm talking about. I'm like like almost
Speaker 1: walking up and down the floor. I could not move.
Speaker 1: And so in my mind, you know, guys have been
Speaker 1: chopping me down that year because I was taller. Obviously
Speaker 1: I was growing and getting taller, and they were chopping
Speaker 1: me down. So in my mind I tooked. I thought
Speaker 1: to myself, like, I got I need to make a
Speaker 1: decision right now if I really want to play football
Speaker 1: or am I just going all in on basketball because
Speaker 1: this football stuff is messing up my knees. Little did
Speaker 1: I know, I was in the midst of a grossberg
Speaker 1: and that's where my knee pans were coming from. But
Speaker 1: I stopped playing because I thought football was messing up
Speaker 1: my knees and going in the basketball season, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I love basketball, and I think I'm better at basketball
Speaker 1: night and at football, and just stopped. But so then
Speaker 1: I played in that spring game. I just knew that
Speaker 1: that would be my last time in life ever being
Speaker 1: having an opportunity to play football. So I went out
Speaker 1: there and I asked him, like yo, Coach Deacon. I
Speaker 1: played a couple of plays in the spring game, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't serious. It's just like me getting out there
Speaker 1: to say I did it, and I did it, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't that good man like I was. I was
Speaker 1: okay at that time, like I got moved well today.
Speaker 1: I moved well then, but not fluid, and so my
Speaker 1: routes like at tight end, my routs weren't great. But
Speaker 1: my routs weren't great. I just didn't move it's fluid
Speaker 1: as I do today. So it was it was a
Speaker 1: little different for me. See that's interesting because again I
Speaker 1: I think I looked at football the way you looked
Speaker 1: at basketball, Like I love football, but I started playing
Speaker 1: basketball because again, you know, when you're thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
Speaker 1: you're starting to grow, and I just kept growing. I
Speaker 1: want to say, in junior high I was like eighth grade,
Speaker 1: I was about five ten, and by the start of
Speaker 1: my freshman or I was six four. So then from
Speaker 1: six from freshman year the senior I grew up to
Speaker 1: throw threw to six eight. So basketball kind of took
Speaker 1: center stage. But at the same time, like my love
Speaker 1: and passion was football, Like I loved the hit. I
Speaker 1: didn't mind getting hit, like that was my whole thing.
Speaker 1: And I really kind of felt like, you know, I
Speaker 1: made a fourteen year NBA career out of just being
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. You know, I get out on the lanes,
Speaker 1: run the lane, Chris Paul's you, Steph whoever passed me
Speaker 1: the ball in the lanes, I finished and then always
Speaker 1: everyone always went like, why are you so physical or
Speaker 1: why do you And to me, it was just that
Speaker 1: football mentality, Like I loved being able to mix it up.
Speaker 1: You know, at the beginning of the beating of my career,
Speaker 1: we really got to play real defense, you know, when
Speaker 1: you went across the pain you got hit with the
Speaker 1: rmbar and I loved all that ship. I love when
Speaker 1: bigger dudes hit me because I'm gonna try to hit
Speaker 1: him back later, you know, I mean somebody in the
Speaker 1: NBA was kind of my thought process. So again, like
Speaker 1: really I took that football mentality and just applied it
Speaker 1: to basketball. So it was again my my, my, my
Speaker 1: true love is football and and you know, God bless
Speaker 1: me and allowed me to you know, make a career
Speaker 1: a basketball officer. Now it's it's dope, I think for
Speaker 1: me personally also, I like even today, you know, you
Speaker 1: talk about that physicality, like the NBA is soft to me, man,
Speaker 1: Like the NBA is soft. The physics and the reality
Speaker 1: is the NFL is starting to get a little soft.
Speaker 1: It has gotten a little soft. But I get it.
Speaker 1: I do understand with all the concussion stuff and like
Speaker 1: all the and the type of injuries that guys are having.
Speaker 1: I get it. Some of the cars I can do without,
Speaker 1: but I do understand their their point of view and
Speaker 1: like why they're trying to clean the game up because
Speaker 1: it actually alters a lot of guys livelihoods are the
Speaker 1: lines that they live outside of football and after football.
Speaker 1: So I get it. But to this day, like I
Speaker 1: still enjoy watching football way more than basketball. Like I
Speaker 1: watched basketball, but I watched football. Religious Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I watched I watched basketball now to watch people I
Speaker 1: know still you know what I mean if you k
Speaker 1: d you know guy Chris Paul, guys I play with.
Speaker 1: But Sunday ticket comes on, I'll watch every single motherfucking
Speaker 1: game or like, I'll sit in my main cape and
Speaker 1: watch basketball and smoke a couple of joints throughout the day.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows Sunday don't funk with dad, he's watching football slot. Uh,
Speaker 1: completely on that same page. Absolutely, So you you you
Speaker 1: didn't make the decision to go u c l A
Speaker 1: for basketball for four good years at U c l A.
Speaker 1: You come into the league, you bounce around a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then you signed with the Warriors. What what? What
Speaker 1: end up? How did you come across the opportunity and
Speaker 1: signed with the Warriors? So just to quit? So G
Speaker 1: League Clippers signed me to a ten day to ten
Speaker 1: days make the team. Uh, they're really they're ready to
Speaker 1: after my first huss this is two thousand two three,
Speaker 1: they're ready to give me a two year minimum deal. Um,
Speaker 1: but this is in the midst of in the early
Speaker 1: two thousands, when it was sack Mine, Kings and Lakers
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm going to school
Speaker 1: of U c l A. But I'm from sack See.
Speaker 1: Webb's my big homie, you know, another Detroit dude. Um
Speaker 1: So I'm always hanging with him in the summertime, working
Speaker 1: out with him. White Chocolate, Mike Baby comes along, Bobby
Speaker 1: Jackson knows kind of guys. For those of the guys
Speaker 1: I'm working out with every summer. And I hadn't took
Speaker 1: the Clipper deal. I was just it's great, I have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to, you know, let's grind to see if
Speaker 1: happened to find anywhere the people that want to give
Speaker 1: me some money. Um. So I go into and we're
Speaker 1: working out the King's facility every day. And this is
Speaker 1: when they had Rook Adelman, and he came up to
Speaker 1: me and asked me what I was doing. I kind
Speaker 1: of told him about the Clipper situations, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think you'd be a great fit here in your hometown.
Speaker 1: Do you want to come here? I'm like, what, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I end up passing on that two year deal,
Speaker 1: which is crazy, but I took a one year deal
Speaker 1: with a Sacramento and then that's the year they trade
Speaker 1: Webb to Philly. So then I go with see I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw I'm gonna throw in on that trade. I
Speaker 1: go with See Webb to Philly and don't get a
Speaker 1: chance to play it for almost two years. Behind My
Speaker 1: cheeks almost end up, mo cheeks up, and I probably
Speaker 1: never would have got a chance to play basketball. Peer it.
Speaker 1: Get through Get through that. So I'm I'm at a
Speaker 1: cross roads. After playing one solid year with the half
Speaker 1: a season with the Clippers, I saw it half year
Speaker 1: with the Kings on the bench for two years in Philly.
Speaker 1: So people are like, Okay, you know that window and
Speaker 1: I went My time is ticking. So I'm almost to
Speaker 1: the point now where like ship if you know, no
Speaker 1: teams were really calling. I'm doing summertime football workouts to
Speaker 1: my brother because my brother was just coming out of
Speaker 1: college too, so he was getting ready to you know,
Speaker 1: to play football as well. So I'm doing you know,
Speaker 1: three or two days a week, I'm doing football and
Speaker 1: four days a week I'm doing basketball. Just to kind
Speaker 1: of see what pops off. My agent had you know,
Speaker 1: ten NFL teams lined up for private workouts. Um, but
Speaker 1: this is when my college teammate Baron was with the Warriors,
Speaker 1: and he hit me up one day like, Yo, we're
Speaker 1: having you know, a pickup game down here in Oakland.
Speaker 1: If you're not doing nothing, pull up. I'm like, Ship,
Speaker 1: all right, you know, I'm our our twenty get dressed,
Speaker 1: hopping a car, go down there and drive down there.
Speaker 1: Um and ended up doing really well the team was
Speaker 1: in town. I ended up doing really well um that day.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know at the time that you know,
Speaker 1: the coaches in the old prix of the coach's office
Speaker 1: can see the floor, so I didn't know Don Nelson
Speaker 1: was watching the whole time. He comes down after ask
Speaker 1: me what I'm doing. I'm just like, you know, to
Speaker 1: be honest, coach, it's not ringing. I'm just I'm trying
Speaker 1: to make it. And he's like, you know, I can't
Speaker 1: promise you nothing. We already have sixteen guarantees and our
Speaker 1: rosters full for training camp. But if you play as
Speaker 1: hard as you did today, I'm gonna give you a chance.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, Ship, that's all I need,
Speaker 1: is it? Like a real chance. So Nellie was the
Speaker 1: first one to really you know, after my first you know,
Speaker 1: my first year, is that to really like, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you a chance to see what you got.
Speaker 1: So I ended up beating out, uh everyone in training camp,
Speaker 1: and then two guys that had guaranteed contracts things that
Speaker 1: are non guarantees that they had contract guarantees training camp
Speaker 1: end up beating them out, end up being like the
Speaker 1: last another fourteen or fifteenth guy. And you know, from there,
Speaker 1: it was just grinding any any chance I got, I
Speaker 1: would go and produce. I go play ten minutes. I'd
Speaker 1: have six point seven rebounds and you know, guard people
Speaker 1: and make assists and make play. So Nellie, slowly but sure,
Speaker 1: they started trusting me enough to air. By mid season,
Speaker 1: I'm starting and now they're they're trying to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know we've signed dun Lee V and Murphy to
Speaker 1: these deals. We're not really going nowhere. So you know,
Speaker 1: I made I made them feel more comfortable going out
Speaker 1: and trading those two guys that you know that that
Speaker 1: had got deals, And that's how we ended up bringing
Speaker 1: stack in al Harrington from Indiana UM to that team.
Speaker 1: And then you know, we tried to get our ship
Speaker 1: together a little bit and we become the we Believe
Speaker 1: team in like a month and a half you know,
Speaker 1: people think that we believe team was like a whole
Speaker 1: year or crazy. They don't understand that was post trade
Speaker 1: and we started off shitty because Baron was hurt, Jack
Speaker 1: was getting into draft, was still in trouble for some
Speaker 1: other ship he was doing. So we really hit our
Speaker 1: stride like the last games and then you know, into
Speaker 1: the playoffs. We made NBA history, but it was really
Speaker 1: a short lived experience. But I say all that to
Speaker 1: say like it came about because literally my college teammate,
Speaker 1: Baron Davis called me, told me to come play pick up.
Speaker 1: I'm press Nelly, and Nelly gave me a chance. That's interesting,
Speaker 1: And so y'all have that that last half of the year,
Speaker 1: play well, beat the Mavericks in the first round, lose
Speaker 1: to Utah in the second round. What happened the following year?
Speaker 1: Why didn't that team come back to the playoffs? Why
Speaker 1: didn't that team continue to trend up? We're just as
Speaker 1: opposed to just having that one year so before this
Speaker 1: golden state, and you know, looking back on it now
Speaker 1: and you learn the history and you know, management everything,
Speaker 1: and people understand how important management is. Winning starts at
Speaker 1: the tops, and as a player, you know a younger player.
Speaker 1: You don't really realize that. You look at the players like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be straight. But winning starts at the top.
Speaker 1: So Golden State had a history of getting people in
Speaker 1: and getting them out for some reason. They never really
Speaker 1: paid the right people. They never really built anything. So
Speaker 1: what happened was And it's funny too, because I was
Speaker 1: just with Kevin Garnett a couple of days ago. He
Speaker 1: came over because we're working on a couple of products,
Speaker 1: but we started talking about this ship. So we were
Speaker 1: supposed to trade Jason Richardson and our lottery are are
Speaker 1: picked that we had. I'm not sure if it was
Speaker 1: a lottery, but I think it was because we ended
Speaker 1: up getting Brandon right, we were supposed to trade Jay
Speaker 1: rich and our pick to get Kevin Garnett, and uh
Speaker 1: so that was And I didn't really know how I
Speaker 1: heard rumors until I finally had KG on the show
Speaker 1: and then we really got into it when he was
Speaker 1: here the other day. So we were supposed to get
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett that you're basically for Jason Richardson, So we
Speaker 1: would have added Kevin Garnett to that young team. And
Speaker 1: it was funny because we're over here talking the other day.
Speaker 1: Just like, man, you guys were young and wild and
Speaker 1: off the court while too, and I loved your energy,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know if I could have hung with y'all.
Speaker 1: But it was it was It was funny just to
Speaker 1: hear from his mouth. So he really considered. He said
Speaker 1: his three teams were he called it that team in Oakland,
Speaker 1: the Lakers, and the Celtics, and uh he ended obviously
Speaker 1: end up going with Celtics and winning a championship. So
Speaker 1: the player, like I said, the plan was to trade
Speaker 1: Jay rich for Kevin Garnett, and Kevin Garnett was supposed
Speaker 1: to come that we believe team that following year, but
Speaker 1: to slow down a little bit. So the very beginning
Speaker 1: of that year, my mom is diagnosed with cancer November one,
Speaker 1: which is the beginning of the season, and she dies
Speaker 1: November twenty seven. So within twenty six days, I find
Speaker 1: out my best friend in the world is sick and
Speaker 1: she's gone not even a month later. So for me personally,
Speaker 1: obviously I wasn't the best player on that team. That
Speaker 1: was you know, b D stacked Jay richmondte you name him.
Speaker 1: But I was like the heart and soul of that team,
Speaker 1: you know, so you know, for me to kind of
Speaker 1: go down that next season, in my head is in
Speaker 1: clouds literally the first three or four months of that season.
Speaker 1: But what's crazy about that was again I had a
Speaker 1: breakout seasonal Golden State Nellie gave me a chance. They
Speaker 1: offered me a three year, twelve million dollar deal at
Speaker 1: the time, and during the playoffs, I'm here and you know,
Speaker 1: like Matt Barnes is gonna get paid. You know, he
Speaker 1: should be one of these you know, high twenties, low
Speaker 1: thirty guys. So I'm thinking less. I'm hearing that all
Speaker 1: during the season, and then you know, once the season's over,
Speaker 1: Golden State is really quick with their deal. So I
Speaker 1: think they were just trying to steal me before I
Speaker 1: can really hit the market and you know, the summer,
Speaker 1: you know, rest in peace. Dan Fegel was my agent
Speaker 1: at the time. He led a bull, He led a nice,
Speaker 1: high twenty million dollar deal go to Dallas. He doubt
Speaker 1: he was asking for more and they didn't want to
Speaker 1: give him more. I was on vacation, didn't tell me.
Speaker 1: They ended up signing Jerry's Stackhouse and Devin George with
Speaker 1: the money they were gonna give me. I end up
Speaker 1: firing dan Um and didn't take that deal, but ended
Speaker 1: up going back to like a four million dollar deal
Speaker 1: to Golden State. So I say all that to say
Speaker 1: when I was when my mom died and I was
Speaker 1: finally kind of start ready to play in January, Nelly
Speaker 1: pulled me to the side and said, I'm glad you
Speaker 1: didn't take a long term deal here, your time here
Speaker 1: is up. I'm like, what the fun me? You know,
Speaker 1: my mom just died all this ship, Like, what the
Speaker 1: fucking One thing I always respect about Nellie he was
Speaker 1: a straight shooter. There was no bullshit with him. I
Speaker 1: just didn't understand where it was coming from. And I
Speaker 1: think because I was in the midst of my mom died,
Speaker 1: he was probably mad already in the preseason obviously, but
Speaker 1: he couldn't really get on me or show me that
Speaker 1: because my mom had died. So I was just kind
Speaker 1: of in and out of it. So once I really
Speaker 1: felt like I was mentally to really get back in
Speaker 1: the mix, he pulls me to the side and tells
Speaker 1: me what he just told me. I'm like, what this
Speaker 1: motherfucker right here? And bro, I didn't really I really
Speaker 1: played the rest of the season, so after that I
Speaker 1: was out of there. But I think the fact that
Speaker 1: he you know, that he gave me the opportunity to
Speaker 1: really get my my career on track, which I appreciate.
Speaker 1: But you know, as as younger players, we want to
Speaker 1: get as much money as we possibly can. If if
Speaker 1: someone's are from your twelve, when you're hearing you know,
Speaker 1: high twenties, maybe even thirty, I'm gonna see what that
Speaker 1: is because we you know, we know how fast and
Speaker 1: small our window is. UM ended up not working out
Speaker 1: and taking the four million dollar deal, and and he
Speaker 1: held that against me. Man. Unfortunately, Wow, that's crazy. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what I know. You just you
Speaker 1: just you just mentioned like I wasn't the best player
Speaker 1: on that team, or you know, you weren't the top
Speaker 1: score you probably weren't top four or five scores. But
Speaker 1: I think the role that you played on on every team.
Speaker 1: I think the role that you played on every team
Speaker 1: that you were on, including even when when you came
Speaker 1: to the Warriors the second time, was you were an enforcer.
Speaker 1: You were an enforcer. And I think, and I would
Speaker 1: love to know how you feel about this, but I
Speaker 1: don't think a team can win a championship if they
Speaker 1: don't have an enforcer. You can look at the Milwaukee Bucks,
Speaker 1: for instance, they bring in p J. Tucker as an enforcer,
Speaker 1: and boom, just like that, they win a championship. Now,
Speaker 1: it's not an overnight thing, right, Like it just doesn't
Speaker 1: happen overnight. But they already had a great core group
Speaker 1: of guys and now and they needed an enforcer. And
Speaker 1: I think I think Bobby Porters was trying to be
Speaker 1: that for him. But Bobby Porters had never really been
Speaker 1: an enforcer. He had a younger guy who you know,
Speaker 1: was kind of looking for a scoring in the league,
Speaker 1: and you know, through Chicago and then with the Knicks,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of looking for a different thing. And
Speaker 1: then he gets to Milwaukee. I know he realized it's like, dang,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lane for that, and let me
Speaker 1: try to be that. Because he's naturally a tough dude,
Speaker 1: Like he ain't no slouch, you ain't bullying. Bobby Porters
Speaker 1: just naturally a tough dude, but also not a very
Speaker 1: outspoken dude. And and most enforcers are outspoken or not.
Speaker 1: They'll speak out and Bobby Porters isn't really someone who
Speaker 1: speaks out. So you bring in PJ who now takes
Speaker 1: that team to the next level as an enforcer, and
Speaker 1: while doing that, he shows Bobby Porter's how to do it,
Speaker 1: you know, because like I said, he's not a slouch,
Speaker 1: he's not soft at all. She just had never done
Speaker 1: it before. And then you bring in a guy who
Speaker 1: has done it and show him the way, and now
Speaker 1: I think he's taken on that role for that team.
Speaker 1: But I think there's I think every team, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna be a great team, and I would love to
Speaker 1: hear your feelings, you need an enforcer you have, so
Speaker 1: I think I completely agree. And whether it's an enforcer
Speaker 1: glue guy, I think the term enforcer has kind of
Speaker 1: watered on over the years because the style of the
Speaker 1: play of the NBA. So when we say in it's
Speaker 1: not someone that's gonna go out there and fight people
Speaker 1: and do this, and but if you have to, you will.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, as someone with
Speaker 1: that energy that's going to bring it constantly, whether being
Speaker 1: practiced or the games. And I am to me, I
Speaker 1: look at you as an enforcer, you know, I think
Speaker 1: you took that role to another level with all the accolades,
Speaker 1: you bambed choir over the real But at the end
Speaker 1: of the time, when I tell people like that team
Speaker 1: is great, just like I was telling you before, we
Speaker 1: talked like that team was great, that that was a
Speaker 1: really good team. But it's not a dynasty without the
Speaker 1: tangible thing that you brought to that team day and
Speaker 1: day out practice. I even say the organization like I
Speaker 1: felt like it's a mentality that the organization takes on
Speaker 1: of that particular player, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: just a no nonsense, no bullshit, We're gonna play basketball.
Speaker 1: If we need to fight, we can fight, but let's
Speaker 1: just play basketball type mentality. And you know the thing
Speaker 1: about me is, you know I bounced around my career
Speaker 1: um but everywhere I went, I played. Everywhere I went,
Speaker 1: I sttarted or was first six, you know, first guy
Speaker 1: or second guy off the bench, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it was always a situation because I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like management doesn't really necessarily have a real pulse
Speaker 1: of the team because they're not in there during practice,
Speaker 1: they're not in the locker room. They don't see how
Speaker 1: you create bridges and put out fires. And I think
Speaker 1: a perfect example was that Lob City team. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because you know Doc and I got
Speaker 1: into it, and I was the first trade because Doc
Speaker 1: was alas a bullshit and he knows it. But I
Speaker 1: was the first trade because you know what you're talking about, Doc,
Speaker 1: I'm a man. Don't disrespect me if you you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a real problem if you do, I
Speaker 1: end up getting traded. But the second I get traded
Speaker 1: from that team, I'm constantly getting calls from CP J
Speaker 1: J DJ like, man, we miss you. We've been telling
Speaker 1: Doc to bring you back, this, this and that. So
Speaker 1: there's certain tangibles that you bring as a player when
Speaker 1: you're that kind of player that don't necessarily always stow
Speaker 1: up on the stat sheets. You know, again, you're not
Speaker 1: the All Star, you're not this, you're not that, but
Speaker 1: very vital to team success, you know. So, UM, I
Speaker 1: completely agree. I really feel like and there are very
Speaker 1: few I feel like if you guys left in the
Speaker 1: league because the league is so going in such a
Speaker 1: different direction now, it's more up tempo, it's more scoring,
Speaker 1: it's more points, it's less defense, it's less physicality. Um,
Speaker 1: but I understand and respected and appreciate it. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like I said, I think
Speaker 1: there's less of those guys, but you can really tell
Speaker 1: the teams that do still have success in this league
Speaker 1: have a guy or two like that on the team. Still,
Speaker 1: I think I think you definitely needed I think also
Speaker 1: even from the standpoint of like, there are certain things
Speaker 1: that go on on the court and especially and guys
Speaker 1: do stuff to your superstar that you you can't just
Speaker 1: let it ride. And if you don't have that guy
Speaker 1: on the team, your superstar would probably be one of
Speaker 1: the most disrespected superstars in the league. I would say
Speaker 1: his name because I actually think he's one of the
Speaker 1: most talented guys in our league and I got a
Speaker 1: lot of love for him, and like, that's my dog.
Speaker 1: We want a gold medal together. Paul George. Paul George
Speaker 1: does not get the respect he deserves. Paul George is
Speaker 1: one of the most talented players in our league. He's
Speaker 1: accomplished hell of a lot in our league. But I
Speaker 1: feel like one of the reasons Paul George don't get
Speaker 1: the respect that he deserves because Paul George were having
Speaker 1: to fight for herself and Paul George wa never have
Speaker 1: to fight for herself. I'm sorry, but Steph Curry not
Speaker 1: fighting for himself. And you can say what you want
Speaker 1: to say about him, what you think he I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna fight back. He ain't gotta fight for himself,
Speaker 1: nor you'll never know if he can, because someone else
Speaker 1: is gonna handle it exactly. He and I feel like
Speaker 1: Paul George, he has to fight for himself a lot.
Speaker 1: And I don't know any superstar that don't have somebody
Speaker 1: that's gonna fight for them and and and he don't
Speaker 1: always have that, And so I just think that's very important,
Speaker 1: not only to your team, but to to to your
Speaker 1: the star of your team as well. You gotta have
Speaker 1: somebody that's putting their neck on the line for that guy,
Speaker 1: no matter what it is. And like you said, we
Speaker 1: we saw you do that. We see myself with stuff,
Speaker 1: We saw you do that with CP, we saw you
Speaker 1: come on the team. When you came on the team,
Speaker 1: it was like I took a back seat in that
Speaker 1: role like Matt protecting all of us out here, like
Speaker 1: it's cool, you know. And so I think I think
Speaker 1: that's very important. And and we see that happening around
Speaker 1: the league. Like you know, I sometimes see like a
Speaker 1: guy hit Trey Young and Trey Young somebody who who
Speaker 1: who coming to take care of this young dude? Man right? Rescue?
Speaker 1: You see that there? You see that with Jason Tatum,
Speaker 1: Like there's a handful of these stars that kind of
Speaker 1: have to fend for themselves, you know. And and that
Speaker 1: was a role that I embraced. I love, you know,
Speaker 1: when I went out there again, we would love whoever.
Speaker 1: Who wouldn't love to score thirty points a game? But
Speaker 1: I look forward to, all right, I'm gonna guard the
Speaker 1: best player every night. And then I know I got
Speaker 1: my teams back. You know, that's family. So you with CP,
Speaker 1: you funk with Kobe, rest in peace, Steve Nash, Steph keV,
Speaker 1: you whoever. Like it's it's all it's it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a war, you know what I mean. And that was
Speaker 1: a role that I loved because you know, that was
Speaker 1: one thing I was brought up in my family. My
Speaker 1: dad was nuts in the streets on drugs. But you
Speaker 1: protect your family at all costs. You know. I always
Speaker 1: looked at my teammates with my family. So I always figured,
Speaker 1: like the superstar has enough to do, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I got a chance to play with Kobe, so he
Speaker 1: was given to you on both ends. Dog tired every game.
Speaker 1: He should never have to worry about somebody coming at him,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's pretty much how
Speaker 1: I got on the team, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I came at him. Ron Artest came out in
Speaker 1: the year before, so he was like, funk these I'm
Speaker 1: going him go get both these crazy motherfucker's to have
Speaker 1: line back, you know what I mean. So to me,
Speaker 1: superstars have enough. So you always need that guy or
Speaker 1: two that can hold it down, even and sometimes when
Speaker 1: it's not neat like you said, well, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's gonna be. You'll never find enough because you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to go through a lot too, even though
Speaker 1: it's Step will fight back or Step will say something
Speaker 1: back type situation. Absolutely, you know. And and speaking of that, uh,
Speaker 1: just the toughness, the smoke. You know, you transition obviously
Speaker 1: as a retiring as a player, you moved into all
Speaker 1: the smoke you've done. You've been doing a bunch of
Speaker 1: different things off the court, but all the smokers where
Speaker 1: I think you've obviously made the biggest mark because it's
Speaker 1: the biggest hit. It's the show we all listen to. Um,
Speaker 1: it's the show you know you look forward to. I
Speaker 1: think the guests that y'all bring on the authenticity of
Speaker 1: the show ' special And it's named after what I know,
Speaker 1: you and stack Jack Dearly all the smoke, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's a part of who you are. But what what
Speaker 1: is what is your favorite What's what's your favorite part
Speaker 1: of all the smoker? Like, what what do you love
Speaker 1: about having that platform that that y'all have created. I think,
Speaker 1: first and foremost, if I speak personally, it was to
Speaker 1: be able to show the other side of me, you know,
Speaker 1: because I think there was such I was having such
Speaker 1: a I say, reputations are earned for the good or bad,
Speaker 1: but I think there was such a misconception as who
Speaker 1: I was as a person while I played, because you
Speaker 1: gotta think, you know, social media didn't really hit until
Speaker 1: the end of my career. I mean, so there was
Speaker 1: always he's got tattoos, he's this, he's that, he's always fighting,
Speaker 1: so people like, you know, he's probably some dumb athletes
Speaker 1: that dada. And then when people start hearing me speak
Speaker 1: that like, oh ship, you can hold the conversation. Oh Ship,
Speaker 1: he's intelligent. So I think, really, first and foremost kind
Speaker 1: of shed the stigma that there was about me. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's what I appreciate most. But then when you know,
Speaker 1: I look at the bigger picture, I think it's the
Speaker 1: first thing you said was creating a safe space for us.
Speaker 1: I think for so long our stories have been told
Speaker 1: by other people, not even no sutime, not even people
Speaker 1: that are the same ethnicity as us, you know, other
Speaker 1: people trying to tell our stories that never walked a
Speaker 1: day in our shoes or can even put our shoes on.
Speaker 1: So I think that all the smoke has allowed us
Speaker 1: to be able to change the narrative overall, and and
Speaker 1: for people to uh, you know, feel safe, to be
Speaker 1: able to say stuff they may not be able to say,
Speaker 1: but they want to say, you know. So I just
Speaker 1: think we've created a safe haven. And I think one
Speaker 1: thing that is also added to our successes. Like you said,
Speaker 1: people know stack and I and I think that we
Speaker 1: haven't sometimes coming into this media space. And you'll learn
Speaker 1: once you're done, But I don't think it'll affect you
Speaker 1: because you know who you are as some of these
Speaker 1: people come in and change who they are to fit
Speaker 1: in at particular networks or situations, and that was never
Speaker 1: my thing. Like I'm at ESPN and I see guys
Speaker 1: that I'm with it are kind of moving up sometimes,
Speaker 1: but I know you have to say some ship that
Speaker 1: as players, we know we shouldn't be, you know, like
Speaker 1: I think he was a player, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And I see some guys that are crossing that line
Speaker 1: saying that. But when they say they're rewarded and they
Speaker 1: move up into me, it's just like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not using me. I'm using ESPN as a platform to
Speaker 1: have my face on, spit some game, uh, and just
Speaker 1: continue to network from there. So I realized that this
Speaker 1: media space, like I said, I'm not changing. Obviously I'm
Speaker 1: not a player anymore, but I still have a mentality
Speaker 1: of a standpoint of like I know what it's like
Speaker 1: to be in the trenches. I know what it's like
Speaker 1: to be in the Western Conference finals in the finals.
Speaker 1: I know what it's like to be in the Eastern
Speaker 1: Conference finals. I know what it's like to go through
Speaker 1: those streaks winning streaks. So I owe it always bothered
Speaker 1: me when media would speak to ship. They really don't know.
Speaker 1: You know. Stephen A. Smith is the guy in our
Speaker 1: you know, in our profession, but there's only so much
Speaker 1: real ship he can give you because he's never really
Speaker 1: been in the trenches, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: he can give you the analytics and the numbers and
Speaker 1: this isn't that, but he can't tell you what it's
Speaker 1: like to have to shoot. You know, two free though
Speaker 1: are one second ago to tie the game up, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I've always taken the ad
Speaker 1: of is you know, although I'm not a player any more,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be someone in the media that's
Speaker 1: gonna sell my brothers that are playing short And I'm
Speaker 1: not knocking nobody because to each his own. But I
Speaker 1: feel like there has been some guys that have crossed
Speaker 1: over into this media space, and you know, although they're
Speaker 1: talented in it, they said some things. Sometimes I'm just like, Bro,
Speaker 1: you were just the player not too long ago. This
Speaker 1: is crazy to hear from a former player. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of been my thing. It's like to me, staying
Speaker 1: authentic and true. It's it's two things, you know, Jack
Speaker 1: and I have been able to do, and I think
Speaker 1: that's why we've been able to win. In in this
Speaker 1: meeting your space, I think I think that's it's beautiful
Speaker 1: and I agree, you know, I see guys as well.
Speaker 1: Like I called out Camsrap Perkins um when on Kate's
Speaker 1: Instagram live when right after we won the Olympics and
Speaker 1: then part due to you talk you talk the enforcer, right,
Speaker 1: like we just talked about the enforcer on the team
Speaker 1: that was Perk, Like that was the only I mean,
Speaker 1: let's face it, like that was the only way Perk
Speaker 1: signed his huge deal. Like, don't get me wrong, Perk
Speaker 1: was playing good basketball next to KG in Boston. They
Speaker 1: won a championship, but his role on the team was
Speaker 1: to be in an enforcer. And some of the things
Speaker 1: that he said, especially when we were over there at Olympics,
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, like you act like you weren't just
Speaker 1: one of us, you know, you act like the things
Speaker 1: that you're saying, like come on, my man, like and
Speaker 1: you you went to battle with Kevin durand like Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant was once a reason that you were on a
Speaker 1: roster Like I I didn't like that and I and
Speaker 1: that's why I called him out. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to um, I'm not going to just dislike something
Speaker 1: to talk about it behind his back. No, I want
Speaker 1: you to know how I feel. And that's why I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kendrew Perkins. I don't remember what I said verbato, but
Speaker 1: that was why, you know, because I feel like guys
Speaker 1: do get in this space. And it's not just Kendrew Perkins,
Speaker 1: by the way. That was just my example when I
Speaker 1: spoke up, But a lot of guys do it, and
Speaker 1: I agree with you, they move up. But but for me,
Speaker 1: like one of my biggest things when I first started
Speaker 1: going on on inside the n b A, I want
Speaker 1: you to leave that's that particular segment with a better
Speaker 1: understanding of what's actually going on on the court um
Speaker 1: that fans don't really have. And I know they don't
Speaker 1: really have it because I read my tweets time to time,
Speaker 1: I read I read my Instagram comments every blue moon.
Speaker 1: I don't read them often because there's really no upside
Speaker 1: of that on board, and I'll scroll through them and
Speaker 1: I know people don't know what the hell they're talking about.
Speaker 1: And so I want you to be able to watch
Speaker 1: me speak and leave that segment with a better understanding
Speaker 1: of what's actually going on as opposed to what people
Speaker 1: already truly have and their understanding, which I don't think
Speaker 1: most people. People think they can just watch a couple
Speaker 1: of games per week and really understand the game of basketball.
Speaker 1: When I studied, Yeah, I studied this game daily. I
Speaker 1: work on this game daily. That's other people doing their job.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you can't go to their job and do
Speaker 1: their job just by doing it once or twice a week.
Speaker 1: But they actually think they can play and study and
Speaker 1: talk about ours And it's mind boggling to me. And
Speaker 1: so because that won't change, let me help you under
Speaker 1: better understand this game. And that's what I That's one
Speaker 1: of the things I want people to take away from
Speaker 1: me when when I'm on I'm on TV speaking on
Speaker 1: the game of basketball. I also want to be critical
Speaker 1: of players. And there's a way of being critical and
Speaker 1: the balance that I try to find. There's a way
Speaker 1: of being critical and saying what needs to be said
Speaker 1: and understanding that at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: will always be one of you. I will always be
Speaker 1: one of the guys are part of this brotherhood, a
Speaker 1: part of this fraternity that we say we have. We
Speaker 1: talk about this brotherhood we talk about the fraternity, but
Speaker 1: we don't protect the brotherhood and we don't protect the fraternity.
Speaker 1: And I know I'm gonna always be a part of that.
Speaker 1: And because of that, I understand how it feels when
Speaker 1: people just run off crushing you. Now again, there's a
Speaker 1: way to be critical and there's a way of crushing someone.
Speaker 1: You don't just have to crush your guy. And I
Speaker 1: think one big moment I had on TV was it
Speaker 1: was a whole segment. I think I had four clips
Speaker 1: a half time and we were it was a Nuggets game,
Speaker 1: and I went at your Kinch's defense. I'm like, if
Speaker 1: they're going to ever be a good team, he's the
Speaker 1: back line of the defense. He has to be good defensively.
Speaker 1: And I showed four clips him not rotating over is
Speaker 1: the low man, him not moving one like four clips,
Speaker 1: and I was very critical of him. He came up
Speaker 1: to me that following year he said, hey, I like
Speaker 1: he said something along the lines like I saw what
Speaker 1: you said about my defense or something I like you
Speaker 1: were right or I appreciate it or something he said
Speaker 1: like that, and he said I've gotten better. I said,
Speaker 1: you one percent gotten better. I've been watching you this
Speaker 1: year and you've one percent gotten better. And that was
Speaker 1: a big moment for me because this TV thing is
Speaker 1: new and I want to do it and I enjoy
Speaker 1: doing it, but I also I gotta these are my
Speaker 1: These are I work with these guys like I go
Speaker 1: to battle with these guys. These guys can possibly be
Speaker 1: my teammate one day, and I have to understand that,
Speaker 1: and so I try to find that balance. And that
Speaker 1: was a big moment for me because I was extremely
Speaker 1: critical because of his defense. But you're right, You're right.
Speaker 1: Guys get lost in that um. They start completely bashing
Speaker 1: players and they lose themselves, and I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I think it's important because you can be critical without disrespecting.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the fine line that good commentators
Speaker 1: can use, or or good analysts can use. UM. You know,
Speaker 1: because like you said, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: what we're saying, we know it's amongst our brothers that
Speaker 1: are gonna hear it. So we're saying stuff for them
Speaker 1: to use to put in their bag or to get
Speaker 1: better with. And I think the fact that, like you said,
Speaker 1: the m v P of the league heard what you said,
Speaker 1: applied it and got better instead of you know, soaking
Speaker 1: about he or this dude's hating. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: sometimes what gets lost is social media has given so
Speaker 1: many people a voice. Oh, Draymond is up there hating
Speaker 1: or Mats up there hating, and it's never that because
Speaker 1: it's not in us. We don't have no reason to hate.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do Kings, you know, I do um
Speaker 1: halftime or I do pregame, halftime and post game for
Speaker 1: the sacrimento Kings down, and it's similar. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: seeing some of these players out there, and what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to give these people is just an older you know,
Speaker 1: I've played this game for a long time and I
Speaker 1: have a good mind. I wasn't the best, but I
Speaker 1: have a really good mind to it. So if I
Speaker 1: can give these people are younger players pieces here and
Speaker 1: there that they're going to help them, you know, that's
Speaker 1: always the ultimate goal. And then one more thing. You know,
Speaker 1: Kendrick Perkins is fun. You mentioned because Kendrick is the
Speaker 1: homie and when he first got on TV, he and
Speaker 1: I like, he would hit me sometimes like big broth,
Speaker 1: should I say this or I want to say this,
Speaker 1: or I want to say that, or when he would
Speaker 1: say stuff that's kind of like No, I would hit
Speaker 1: him up, like, you know, because I wanted to hear
Speaker 1: his thought process on why you felt like you had
Speaker 1: to say that. You know, maybe you have a reason
Speaker 1: that it is amongst the we don't know is why
Speaker 1: you say that. So, you know, I think it's important
Speaker 1: to kind of have those types of conversations because you
Speaker 1: can say now that we're done, or now that he
Speaker 1: and I are dumb planing, or even you're in the
Speaker 1: media space, which that what one since you say can
Speaker 1: get blown and ripped out of proportions. I always thinking
Speaker 1: important to have context on what people are saying. So no,
Speaker 1: for sure, and just one last thing on that. I
Speaker 1: think the context is important because what a lot of people,
Speaker 1: you know, UM said outlet is going to take eight
Speaker 1: words of hunter words response and that's what they're going
Speaker 1: to post. And the reality is most people don't read,
Speaker 1: and most people don't research, and so you read those
Speaker 1: eight words and you don't go I can read the
Speaker 1: full transcript, or you read those eight words and you
Speaker 1: don't go back and watch the interview. And if I
Speaker 1: take eight words of a hundred word statement, I can
Speaker 1: make those eight words almost look like whatever I want them, anything, anything,
Speaker 1: And like I said that, you know the media, like
Speaker 1: we know the media, they're gonna they're gonna twist on
Speaker 1: the side of controversy and negativity instead of you can
Speaker 1: you can big, we can talk all day about stuff,
Speaker 1: how great he is, but we might say something like
Speaker 1: I said, unless you hear the whole conversation, like damn,
Speaker 1: why they hate No, that's his teammate and that's his form.
Speaker 1: Why they hate on Steff? When it's not like that,
Speaker 1: Like you said, I think we live in a society
Speaker 1: where we just read headlines because there's so much news
Speaker 1: coming at us that if we read the headline, and
Speaker 1: I was even guilty of it, you know, I probably say,
Speaker 1: like three or four years ago, because I didn't have
Speaker 1: the time, I would read the head like damn, that's
Speaker 1: fucked up and keep it moving, but halfen in the
Speaker 1: back of my mind, so and so did this. But
Speaker 1: then I started realizing, like, yo, most time the headline
Speaker 1: really has no thing to do with what the actual
Speaker 1: and it was it was maybe, like you said, eight
Speaker 1: words out of a whole interview that can be twisted,
Speaker 1: and most of the time, and when the twist is
Speaker 1: going to twist towards the negative side. So that's definitely
Speaker 1: something I think is a society we have to get
Speaker 1: better at because there's always so much information coming at
Speaker 1: us that if you're gonna have an opinion on something
Speaker 1: you heard, make sure you really go back and do
Speaker 1: the research or read the article or listen to the
Speaker 1: interview before you come out and say some bullshit. No
Speaker 1: I agree, but yeah, man, Uh, Steph Curry recently breaking
Speaker 1: recently breaking the record, UM the three point record, two thousand,
Speaker 1: nine hundred and seventy four three record, which is absolutely
Speaker 1: and saying he did it. I think of rayal games.
Speaker 1: Stuff is played seven nine games, unbelievable, It's mind blowing.
Speaker 1: How incredible, uh of a score he is? How incredible
Speaker 1: of a shooter? Is greatest shooter we've ever seen? What when?
Speaker 1: When was the moment where you saw Steph and you
Speaker 1: like heat different and obviously you never know it's going
Speaker 1: to reach this point. What was that moment for you?
Speaker 1: Was it as a teammate or was it as a
Speaker 1: or was it as an opponent? Well? I think first
Speaker 1: it was an opponent, and then once I became a teammate,
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, it makes sense because this motherfucker works
Speaker 1: his ass off. But I think as an opponent I
Speaker 1: saw at first because people don't realize like we were.
Speaker 1: And I don't even know if you guys looked at
Speaker 1: this way, but we were quote unquote almost the big
Speaker 1: brother between the Clipper and Warrior. Early battles we had.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys were a younger team. We were
Speaker 1: an older team that never never lived up to the
Speaker 1: hype or never got over the hunt because we always
Speaker 1: got in our way. So we would always go to
Speaker 1: war with your young team, and Steph and CP there
Speaker 1: was always this. Even they may love each other, respect
Speaker 1: each other, whatever, but it was always those were always
Speaker 1: the two names. So I remember, because I the CP
Speaker 1: was at the top of this game at that time,
Speaker 1: and I remember some ship you says like, I'm I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: I'm rolling with Steph ten out of ten times, or
Speaker 1: you said some ship like that, I'm It's like I
Speaker 1: loved this, and then again we took us to the
Speaker 1: seven seven Games a year, that Donald Sterling ship. But
Speaker 1: it was as an opponent when I played for the Clippers,
Speaker 1: because like I said, you guys were kind of like
Speaker 1: our our many little rival at the time, but just
Speaker 1: to see some of the shots he took, and no
Speaker 1: matter what our defensive approach was, he would find a
Speaker 1: way to make something happen. And obviously a lot of
Speaker 1: that credit goes to you, you know, and Clay too,
Speaker 1: because again I don't think that Warrior team becomes a
Speaker 1: team they are without you, because I really think you
Speaker 1: sacrifice so much. But also from a standpoint, you have
Speaker 1: such a great understanding of him, in such a great
Speaker 1: understanding of Clay that you can get everyone else to
Speaker 1: understand your point of view. Also, Andre, you and Andre,
Speaker 1: I think your guys point of view on how we
Speaker 1: can get these two guys off because if they get off,
Speaker 1: we're gonna eat free all day. We're gonna eat very
Speaker 1: easily if our two killers are out there killing so
Speaker 1: Um again, just seeing him as an as an opponent
Speaker 1: for a long time. But then you know, when I
Speaker 1: got a chance to come to you got this team
Speaker 1: at the midway point of that seventeen season, it blew
Speaker 1: me away because again with that Live City team and
Speaker 1: no Lake CP Jamal j j DeAndre lamar odom Eric Ledsoe,
Speaker 1: Like there's no Grum Butler, there's no fucking way we
Speaker 1: shouldn't have won a championship. But I had never been
Speaker 1: on a team. Obviously, you guys had more star power
Speaker 1: with your team, but we had a lot of stars
Speaker 1: on our team. But when I came to that team,
Speaker 1: all the eagles are left outside the facility, All the
Speaker 1: legal egos are left outside of Oracle, and it was
Speaker 1: all about working and getting better. And I think what
Speaker 1: blew me away the most is you've only been on
Speaker 1: that team, so you don't know no different. But I've
Speaker 1: been on teams. Once practice is over, the gym is empty.
Speaker 1: I went to I I went to this team, and
Speaker 1: it's just like I had to wait to get on
Speaker 1: the court because all eight fucking hoops, everybody's working. It
Speaker 1: was Clay on one, and it was Katie and step
Speaker 1: on one, and it was you somewhere. It was Draymond somewhere,
Speaker 1: it was Looney and the younger dude somewhere, It was
Speaker 1: Iggy somewhere. So I just saw. So when I would
Speaker 1: have to sit sometimes thirty to forty five minutes, sometimes
Speaker 1: an hour, just to get my normal, you know, staying
Speaker 1: shape old man routine off, I would watch this ship.
Speaker 1: Obviously that everyone's doing, but then you know it was
Speaker 1: it was Katie and steff for working with Steve Nash.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at Steve's great mind. I got a
Speaker 1: chance to play with Steve. Katie is Katie staff the steps.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at the the off balance, awkward body, angles,
Speaker 1: one foot, leaning, left hand, right hand, all the ship
Speaker 1: that they were working on, and I'm thinking, like, any
Speaker 1: shot that these two guys in particular, but I'll talk
Speaker 1: about Steph makes on the on the court is not luck.
Speaker 1: I can never say that Steffy made a lucky shot
Speaker 1: because you know, he works on the odd angles, the
Speaker 1: awkward hand, the off the glass, the half court shots
Speaker 1: that he shoots like they're fucking layups while we're warming
Speaker 1: up where people don't know, like the warm up is jogging, laughing,
Speaker 1: stretching a little bit. But step is always shooting three
Speaker 1: quarter of court half court shots and he makes them
Speaker 1: like their layups. So I feel again, to answer your question,
Speaker 1: I think I saw originally as an opponent, but it
Speaker 1: just kind of made it all made sense when I
Speaker 1: got to see him work day to day because he
Speaker 1: works his ass off on his craft, and you know,
Speaker 1: as as as your team does and I think what's
Speaker 1: kind of made you guys so successful is you know,
Speaker 1: we grew up watching basketball, and you grew up watching
Speaker 1: the Lakers and the Bulls and the Celtics and all
Speaker 1: these teams always kept their core together. This new basketball,
Speaker 1: the stars, the courts are always leaving you guys some way.
Speaker 1: And even though you went through a down point, you
Speaker 1: guys were able to keep your core together. Now and
Speaker 1: that's why now when you're healthy, when step is healthy,
Speaker 1: play is on the verge of getting healthy, Biggy is
Speaker 1: back your guys. This chorus so strong, plus coach curve.
Speaker 1: Now you added young talent around you guys. So it's
Speaker 1: always I've always tell people when I speak on ESPN
Speaker 1: or when i'm speaking, I'm like this, watch this Warrior
Speaker 1: team once they get healthy, because they've been able to
Speaker 1: keep their core together. And obviously Steph is the star,
Speaker 1: and he gets all the credit as he should. But again,
Speaker 1: I think that core unit is the reason why you
Speaker 1: guys are in championship contention. Again, it will be an
Speaker 1: champion detention for the next two, three or four years
Speaker 1: as you guys run with you know, with a leader
Speaker 1: in a in a score like step. But again I
Speaker 1: want to give you your kudos too, bro, because people
Speaker 1: don't understand again, playing against you and then playing with you,
Speaker 1: I see the ship you have to do on a
Speaker 1: day to day basis, and I see the way you
Speaker 1: conduct yourself on and off the court, and I really
Speaker 1: felt like that franchise has has embodied your hard work,
Speaker 1: blue color mentality and have made it into a dynasty.
Speaker 1: And again, you guys are on the verge of I
Speaker 1: feel like you guys are on the verge of something
Speaker 1: special again. And I think before we I just want
Speaker 1: to say I think Jordan Pull is a cold motherfucker
Speaker 1: man we tell him. I don't. I don't know him,
Speaker 1: but I like are like he as someone who has
Speaker 1: been able to take advantage of unfortunate clay being hurt
Speaker 1: and and and coming around basketball minds like yourself and
Speaker 1: and everyone else who's there. So I'm happy for you obviously.
Speaker 1: I know this interview was for me, but I just
Speaker 1: because we haven't got a chance to talk, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure you guys think that, man, I'm
Speaker 1: still rooting for you guys. I love what you guys
Speaker 1: have been able to do. Man, And still man over here,
Speaker 1: chareing for y'all. I appreciate it, bro, I definitely appreciate
Speaker 1: you know. It's uh, being in this position, you have
Speaker 1: to have a lot of self gratitude because it's not
Speaker 1: always gonna be seen. People don't know the stuff that
Speaker 1: go on behind the scenes. Uh, people don't. You don't
Speaker 1: get credit for screen and you don't get really get
Speaker 1: credit for defense, Like you know, a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuff you just don't get credit for. So you have
Speaker 1: to have a huge appreciation for self, a huge amount
Speaker 1: of self gratitude, but also a huge appreciation from the
Speaker 1: guys you're doing with as well. I get it us Rolexus.
Speaker 1: You know, after after he broke the record, which is
Speaker 1: like I've been working on, like trying to figure out
Speaker 1: along with Hazel, like what what gifts should I should
Speaker 1: I get him for I'm breaking a record and I'm
Speaker 1: still going to get him a gift. But I wanted
Speaker 1: to be special, so I wanted to figure out the
Speaker 1: right thing. But I'm like, what gift am I going
Speaker 1: to get him? What gift am I going to get him?
Speaker 1: And I and I finally said to Hazel, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to rush it because I don't want
Speaker 1: it to be the wrong gift. I wanted to be meaningful,
Speaker 1: so I didn't get it yet, and then last night
Speaker 1: I'm getting a gift, you know, And it's like, you
Speaker 1: know that the appreciation from your peers, from your counterparts,
Speaker 1: from the guys you go to battle with, also keeps
Speaker 1: it going as well. You know what I'm saying. Well,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I mean to me, that's what I
Speaker 1: because I I never got you know, I had a
Speaker 1: chance to get a couple of deals that kind of
Speaker 1: fell through. So I really was underpaid my whole entire career,
Speaker 1: and it made me mad. And sometimes I get piste
Speaker 1: off or I would move teams. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I think, what the key says, you're respected by your peers,
Speaker 1: maybe the funk the media, fuck the fans sometimes or
Speaker 1: the haters sometimes because like I said, they don't really
Speaker 1: know the game. But when you're respected by your opponents
Speaker 1: and by your teammates, that's kind of in a position. Again,
Speaker 1: You've been an All Star, defensive player, Olympian and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, but you, to me, you still
Speaker 1: don't get the props you deserve. And you're at peace
Speaker 1: with that, which is great. But when you hear it
Speaker 1: from me, you're are guys you play against or when
Speaker 1: you're on guys with the Olympic teams, like they fuck
Speaker 1: with you in in real basketball minds though, that kind
Speaker 1: of stuffing sometimes, like you said, when you're not the star,
Speaker 1: and there are very few super superstars, you don't necessarily
Speaker 1: get that. So again, understanding you who you are as
Speaker 1: a person, plotting yourself every once in a while because
Speaker 1: you need it, but then also hearing it from your opponents,
Speaker 1: of your counterparts. And then like you said, Steph showing
Speaker 1: you his appreciation when he broke the record by handing
Speaker 1: you your rollast. And I've seen Katie's tweet two because
Speaker 1: I thought he was third and a sister and yeah,
Speaker 1: send sending the roly. You know, it's crazy about that
Speaker 1: a hundred Kate, Katie has a hundred three assistant three years.
Speaker 1: That's insane. I didn't realize that. Yeah, the crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you look at but you look at you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're almost at five. But that's a lot
Speaker 1: of buckets, you know what I mean. And to even
Speaker 1: see Clay on that list, it's just like Clay don't
Speaker 1: pass nobody, But but but but the motherfucking basket, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But it's just dope. It just
Speaker 1: kind of shows, and it takes a village. You know.
Speaker 1: It's greatest stuff is and he will, hands down be
Speaker 1: the greatest shoot. I think he's gonna put this record
Speaker 1: so far to reach that no one will ever sniff it.
Speaker 1: I think someone might score a hundred points before they
Speaker 1: break steps three point shooting record. But again, I think
Speaker 1: he landed in a great situation, you know, And you
Speaker 1: guys drafted really well, and again you've been able to
Speaker 1: keep the core of this team together. That really understands
Speaker 1: because I remember when I got to the team, you
Speaker 1: know that always looked the screen down, just always looked
Speaker 1: the screen down buying clay or flying, you know, to
Speaker 1: buy into that and understand their mentality. And guys are
Speaker 1: coming doing it such a beautiful thing because I don't
Speaker 1: think people understand how hard he works to get one
Speaker 1: shot off. That motherfucker can run back and forth eight
Speaker 1: different times, touched the ball three times but end up
Speaker 1: getting the corner three at the very end because the
Speaker 1: offense is so patient. It has an understanding. So again,
Speaker 1: I know we could talk all day, but I just
Speaker 1: like that you guys have something special. Man. I hope
Speaker 1: you guys understand it in the moment once I know
Speaker 1: you guys doing and best of luck man staying healthy
Speaker 1: and another rings show my brother, I definitely appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And on the Katie thing, I think he might get
Speaker 1: a Rolexe. I don't know, we'll see he got out
Speaker 1: of here on us, but no, I think it definitely
Speaker 1: speaks to uh, it definitely speaks to the group. Uh
Speaker 1: that that's here, that you've been a part of all
Speaker 1: the guys that's come through here and just bought into
Speaker 1: what we're selling, you know, and that's greatness. That's getting
Speaker 1: to the next shot, that's getting to the best shot,
Speaker 1: making it good too. Great. At the end of the
Speaker 1: you can overall say you guys are getting You guys
Speaker 1: are family and your team, and when you're able to
Speaker 1: keep that family together, you're always better. You're always stronger
Speaker 1: than unit than you are individually and man, So again,
Speaker 1: continue to access to YO boys. Man, thanks brother, that's
Speaker 1: what you get out of here. Uh. Your who is
Speaker 1: your guess? That you your dream guess that you would want.
Speaker 1: I saw you to speak on this a couple of
Speaker 1: times where you talked about two paper who if you
Speaker 1: got to pick one guess for all the smoke that
Speaker 1: y'all have not had? Who is your dream guest? Lebron?
Speaker 1: That's fire. Yeah, I've seen him a couple of times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's given me okay, I'm ready. I've talked to his
Speaker 1: team a couple of times. So you know, obviously there's
Speaker 1: people like jay Z and Dre and all these other
Speaker 1: guys outside of basketball that I would love to be
Speaker 1: able to talk to. But you know, having Kobe's last
Speaker 1: interview rest in Peace to our brother was really special. Um,
Speaker 1: the array of people we've had on the show have
Speaker 1: been special, but you know, distinct, Like you said, the
Speaker 1: great you know, Lebron is one of the greatest. Have
Speaker 1: been on Who you talked to? Well? Love of how
Speaker 1: Braun on the Draymond Green Show too, That's hey, that's
Speaker 1: your homie though. See you're gonna have a better insight
Speaker 1: on that than me. But yeah, that's my one dream guest.
Speaker 1: I respect that dream guests of mine as well, not
Speaker 1: not my only one, but definitely a dreams. My dream
Speaker 1: guess is President Obama. I would love to hi President
Speaker 1: Obama as a as a basketball fan, um as first
Speaker 1: black president, um as everything that he means to the culture,
Speaker 1: to the world, not just us as black people like
Speaker 1: to the world. One of the better presidents we've had,
Speaker 1: The way he carried himself, the way he carries himself. Uh,
Speaker 1: just everything he stands for. Its President Obama. For me,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll get him, yes, sir, But I appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming on. Man. He've been we've we've been rolling with
Speaker 1: these with these great wing defenders. First we have Meta,
Speaker 1: then we had that. Now my big bro, Matt Bonds. Matt,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, brother, Thank you for coming on. Good
Speaker 1: for having me bro. Good look to res someone. Let's
Speaker 1: catch up soon. Yes, sir, thank you. Wow. What what
Speaker 1: an incredible, incredible interview. Uh, super insightful as I said,
Speaker 1: uh and thought it would be when speaking to Matt,
Speaker 1: And like I said, I hope everyone took away, uh
Speaker 1: what they needed to take away from speaking with Matt Bonds,
Speaker 1: but also just on your overall perspective. Uh. If you
Speaker 1: took anything away from this, I hope it's more of
Speaker 1: your perspective and even less of what we spoke about,
Speaker 1: because your perspective shapes narratives and narratives shapes conversations, and
Speaker 1: conversations shape the world we live in. So those perspectives
Speaker 1: and those narratives are extremely important. So if anything is altered,
Speaker 1: I hope is that, um, and I hope you have
Speaker 1: a deeper understanding and appreciation just for athletes, entertainers, people
Speaker 1: who you may watch. You may be fans. Uh, you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know as a person, but you may think
Speaker 1: you do because of the connection that you have and
Speaker 1: watching or being entertained by said individuals. But one again,
Speaker 1: thank Matt Barnes for coming on to the Draymond Green Show.
Speaker 1: Uh can't say that enough these you know, having these
Speaker 1: guys come onto the show, I mean, it adds an
Speaker 1: even another layer, and like I said, even more so.
Speaker 1: I'm just thankful to be able to hear their opinion
Speaker 1: and hear their takes and get the knowledge uh in
Speaker 1: the game that I've been soaking up and I hope
Speaker 1: you all have been as well. So until next week
Speaker 1: the Mailback episode, talk to you all later. Happy holidays
Speaker 1: to everyone, much love, enjoy your families, enjoy your friends.
Speaker 1: Talk to you all next week. Thank you