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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and Max Starks.

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Speaker 3: We are live at the Breakers Hotel here in beautiful

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Speaker 3: Palm Beach.

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Speaker 2: Florida, where the league meetings are taking place.

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Speaker 3: Heard from Mike Tomlin yesterday, the Steelers head coach again,

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Speaker 3: part of the AFC breakfast this morning with all the

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Speaker 3: coaches from all the AFC teams. Sheammed in the one

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Speaker 3: little tiny room. Yeah, and then heard no air conditioning

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Speaker 3: heard this morning it was broken down.

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Speaker 2: It's back up now.

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Speaker 3: And then well we heard from Omar Kahn right around

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Speaker 3: noon as well. So, lots of lots of people talking.

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Speaker 3: A few of them are saying them, yeah, a few

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Speaker 3: of them know. Yeah, where the quarterback is? Who's oh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. About six foot four and two hundred

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Speaker 3: and thirty pounds. Hard to miss those guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Also looks like a walking statue, yes, he goes, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'd never wear a shirt ever.

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Speaker 2: Why why ever? Optional? Yeah? Optional? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So is it just safe to say that? Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 5: gonna be the Steels quarterback at this point. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you come to Pittsburgh on a Friday and spend the day,

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Speaker 5: or you go out and spend his time with the

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Speaker 5: k Metcalf. I mean, I know we're jumping ahead here,

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Speaker 5: but why else would any human being ever do these things?

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Speaker 4: I mean, he is a free agency technically, he doesn't

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Speaker 4: have a tea, So maybe he's looking for somebody and

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Speaker 4: just happen to be, you know, walking like you could

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Speaker 4: be a receiver.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I got this football?

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Speaker 4: Yeah you got oh you got cleats on two hey

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Speaker 4: field over here.

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Speaker 2: Let lets you know what, Let's just see how it feels.

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Speaker 2: Let's just throw a feeler out there.

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Speaker 5: Just so happens. They were in LA together, you know,

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Speaker 5: just so happens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Aaron's from Cali, right, but yeah, from

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Speaker 4: he's from othern California though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's from the San Francisco area. DK is actually

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Speaker 3: from the Memphis area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know where he lives in the

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Speaker 2: in the off season.

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Speaker 4: But where did he play college ball? He played college Mississississippi. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so and U c l.

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Speaker 5: A from Memphis to Mississippi to Seattle and somehow found

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Speaker 5: his way to La at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Right, just so happened to both show up and just

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Speaker 3: it was like a pickup game.

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Speaker 5: Whoever shows up.

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Speaker 3: Once dude shows up with his basketball, Hey, you want

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Speaker 3: to be on play?

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Speaker 4: I saw that movie happen once in the early nineties.

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Speaker 4: Somebody couldn't jump here. Hey, I'll take you, random guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was a muscle beach though. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 2: a little bit further out.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so they they got together, they threw together,

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Speaker 3: and I get all you have to do is start.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying anything is done at this point, because

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Speaker 3: nothing is done until the name of signed.

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Speaker 2: And it actually gets to New York.

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Speaker 4: Yes, in the little fax machine that we don't know

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Speaker 4: why there's still a fax machine.

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Speaker 5: Is there's still a fax machine.

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Speaker 2: That's what they always say. It's a I'm like, it's

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Speaker 2: an email. Yeah if that a scanned image, I don't

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Speaker 5: Has a fax machine. It's just yeah, exactly, I mean.

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Speaker 2: How do you You couldn't even get it fixed at this point. No,

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Speaker 2: who's who's gonna fix it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, those guys are all gone, All those millennials have retired.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my tenure of pit we had a fax machine.

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Speaker 5: On signing day, you'd hover around it like a bonfire,

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Speaker 5: hoping things came through, and half the time they wouldn't.

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Speaker 5: Then it was like a total mess.

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Speaker 4: And that's what I did when I when I signed

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Speaker 4: my commitment Bakers, I had to had to fax them

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Speaker 4: to the University of Florida.

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Speaker 5: They like go to the school because they had a

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Speaker 3: Central Facts. So we know Aaron Rodgers. Mike Tomlin had

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Speaker 3: said this yesterday. Hey, yes we did. In fact, host

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers had a great conversation.

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Speaker 2: Two fridays ago.

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Speaker 3: This morning, he says he's been in constant contact contact

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Speaker 3: with Aaron Rodgers. Russell Wilson, a few days after Aaron

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Speaker 3: Rodgers visits to Steelers, decides, you know what, I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna wait on the Steelers anymore. I'm going to go

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Speaker 3: to New York. I'm gonna accept their offer. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: now DK there's like.

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Speaker 5: Two hours after wards, uh day at Pro Day at Miami.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Always, I mean, the timeline is not out putting everything.

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Speaker 3: The puzzle is there, it is, you just need to

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Speaker 3: put the pieces together on the on the board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's it's like when you see those kids that that

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Speaker 4: do the puzzles upside down, they're just matching the shapes.

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Speaker 4: And then you look underneath the glass, it's actually the

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Speaker 4: full picture. We're seeing the puzzle with just the backside

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's all together, it's there, the pieces are

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Speaker 2: all nobody's.

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Speaker 5: Looked under the table yet. I think we can deduce

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Speaker 5: what's happening. There'd be a whole lot of wasted time otherwise.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and we would have wasted a lot of hours

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Speaker 4: talking about this.

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Speaker 5: Yes, wasn't going to be That's very true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you.

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Speaker 3: Know, the timeline is the timeline. I know everybody wants

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Speaker 3: everything now, now, now, now, Now, that's just the society

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Speaker 3: that we live in. Aaron Rodgers will decide when Aaron

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Speaker 3: Rodgers wants to actually put name or pen to paper,

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Speaker 3: and whenever that happened. I feel like the Steelers, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know this for certain, but I feel like

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Speaker 3: based on what we know in how these puzzle pieces

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Speaker 3: have all come together.

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Speaker 5: And the transactions they've made, we've seen that I think

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Speaker 5: they believe it's going to be Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they've lined it up.

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Speaker 5: It sure seems like they're pretty comfortable with the whole situation.

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Speaker 3: Even if you then start looking at Mike Tomlin and

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Speaker 3: this morning. Hey, we were just at three quarterback or

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Speaker 3: three colleges last week that have quarterbacks. Yeah, but it

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Speaker 3: was Notre Dame, Ohio State and Alas in Texas.

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Speaker 4: They have other guys too, Yeah, Quinn yours, Will Howard,

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Speaker 4: and I can't remember the kid, the running kid.

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Speaker 3: Riley Leon, none of whom are first round guys. No

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Speaker 3: Day two three, Yeah, somewhere in that day two maybe

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Speaker 2: Yeah, early early day three. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And those universities have other players, but they do quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: They do.

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Speaker 5: But you know, did he go to Ohio State's pro day?

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Speaker 5: You're doing something wrong.

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Speaker 3: He specifically mentioned though, that they those pro days because

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Speaker 3: they have quarterbacks who are draft eligible.

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Speaker 5: We knew that the mill Road thing too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: He's also not going in the first round.

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Speaker 2: Definitely not going to the first round. Ye make sure.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Colin Coward, Yeah, Colin Coward had the Steelers drafting Jaylen Millroe.

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Speaker 3: Exact man, tell me you don't know anything without telling

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I heard my favorite Jaylen Milroe comparison yesterday, Happy Gilmore,

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Speaker 5: great off the team, gets near the hole, forget about it.

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Speaker 5: I mean he's just all over the place right the layups.

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Speaker 2: He he's the hockey putter.

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Speaker 5: Right off the tea though, and does some spectacular stuff.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, gets near the green, it's not so great.

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Speaker 2: It's like Anthony.

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Speaker 3: Richardson, you know, it's yeah, great arm, great talent looks

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Speaker 3: the part needs to rest a part, but it needs

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Speaker 5: No, that's not a first round pick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that is well the Colts thoughts and are now

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Speaker 3: being proven wrong about that.

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Speaker 4: Now they have another first round pick in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what that happened.

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Speaker 3: So the people who are saying that the Steelers don't

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Speaker 3: have a plan, there is a plan in place. I

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Speaker 3: tweeted out all the stuff that was said this morning

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Speaker 3: So you expect the Steelers to come to this event

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Speaker 3: and say here's our plan.

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Speaker 2: This is what we're going to do at quarterback. Hey,

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Speaker 2: you wanted to know, We've been waiting to tell Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because not only do we want to let you guys know.

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Speaker 3: We want you guys to let the entire rest of

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Speaker 3: the NFL know exactly what our plan is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think it's pretty clear what their plan is. Yes,

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Speaker 5: and the happens to be throwing your receiver you is

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Speaker 2: Teams tell you say it all the time, Matt.

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Speaker 3: Teams tell you what there are, what their intentions are

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Speaker 3: by the moves that they make.

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Speaker 2: Ye.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Draft day is an open book. You just

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Speaker 5: have to read the tea leaves and figure it out.

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Speaker 5: Free agency, they don't throw money around for fun.

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Speaker 4: I know we talked about what their maximum team spin

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Speaker 4: needs to be and the Patriots might be doing that just.

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Speaker 2: Just to get there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but the Steelers aren't in that same category. There's

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Speaker 4: a difference between those two and what.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to happen.

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Speaker 3: Brown's owner Jimmy haslam H talked this morning and he

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Speaker 3: was asked about the Deshaun Watson situation, and he said, look,

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Speaker 3: we took a big swing and we met. We took

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Speaker 3: a big swing and miss with DeShawn. We thought we

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Speaker 3: had the quarterback, we didn't, and we gave up a

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Speaker 2: So we've got to dig ourselves out of that hole.

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Speaker 5: At least there's some recognizing your faults. Years later.

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Speaker 2: They've continually kicked the can down the road with that.

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Speaker 5: And they still do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's looking eighty million dollar capit next year.

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Speaker 2: The steel have not done that.

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Speaker 3: Even if they sign Aaron Rodgers, you're just signing Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, if you look at what the Steelers have.

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Speaker 3: Put into the quarterback position at this point in the

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Speaker 3: post Ben Roethlisberger era, they used the first round draft

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Speaker 3: pick on Kenny Pickett. They traded a six round draft

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Speaker 3: pick last year. They got to pick back for Kenny Pickett,

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Speaker 3: what was it a four or five?

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Speaker 5: And they swapped some late stuff too, and yeah, you

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Speaker 5: got a little something.

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Speaker 3: And they're also going to get compensatory picks now for

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Speaker 5: Both of them they paid nothing last year.

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Speaker 2: These are not massive.

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Speaker 3: These are swings, but they're not the happy Gilmour swings. No,

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Speaker 3: I'm not standing up there and they are swinging out

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Speaker 4: But these are butts at best. These are trying to

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Speaker 4: sacrifice butts. That's about it.

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Speaker 3: Until you get into the situation which you will be

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Speaker 2: Everything's not all in place.

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Speaker 2: Side of the nest.

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Speaker 3: The nest is built, Yeah, Now, now you take the chick,

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Speaker 3: You might win games, right, You've won ten games in

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Speaker 2: Two of them have gotten the team into the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we are in Palm Beach. Yeah, West is West

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Speaker 3: This is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio, and we

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Speaker 3: are live here in Palm Beach, Florida, not West Palm Beach.

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Speaker 2: We're staying in West Palm Beach. We are in Palm Beach.

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Speaker 2: Not a lot of rule change stuff on the docket.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, slow, Yeah, little slow.

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Speaker 3: Mike Todlin was asked this morning what his feelings are

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Speaker 3: Because he looked at he says, you're not allowed to

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Speaker 3: There's been about one hundred and seventy tush pushes in

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Speaker 5: Right right, Okay, hip drops and you know, horse callers

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I think if more teams do adopt it,

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Speaker 3: But the stunt man. Yeah, stunt comes in to run

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Speaker 2: Sure, unless it's a safety issue, he said. You tip

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Speaker 4: I'm not that guy.

445
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Speaker 2: That's just like, you know, just.

446
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Speaker 3: Like I can remember Brandon Staley did it in the

447
00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 3: game that they needed to win. They're playing the Raiders.

448
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 3: The Chargers are playing the Raiders, and he went for

449
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 3: it like his own twenty and like the first drive

450
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,000
Speaker 3: of the second half and didn't get it. And now

451
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,760
Speaker 3: you're like, no, that's just dumb football.

452
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not smart at all. That's the key to me.

453
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 5: The next level of thinking it through, though, is being

454
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,440
Speaker 5: the play caller on second and third down.

455
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,760
Speaker 2: Right, you gotta set yourself up.

456
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,959
Speaker 5: If I know that we're going for it on fourth

457
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,240
Speaker 5: and it's third and six and I get nickel or dime,

458
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 5: well that's a rundown for me because I know, I know,

459
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 5: I know I'm going for it, and or I know

460
00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 5: I have the touch push in my back pocket. If

461
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Speaker 5: Barkley can get me four, I'm gonna get the first down.

462
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 5: Or if it's third and two, I might throw a

463
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Speaker 5: bomb to aj Brown as opposed to Tush pushing it

464
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,399
Speaker 5: because I was do it next time, you know what

465
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 5: I mean?

466
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:10,920
Speaker 2: Like knowing that.

467
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 5: You're gonna go for it. Washington, Detroit. Washington's really interesting

468
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,360
Speaker 5: to me though, because they went for it way more

469
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 5: than anybody else, and we're way more successful than anybody else,

470
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 5: which to me, this screams fluke like coming back to

471
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,919
Speaker 5: the mean next year, Like I think they were like

472
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 5: eighty percent or something insane on fourth downs. Jaye Daniels,

473
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Speaker 5: he's mean, he's gonna better at than most, but they're

474
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Speaker 5: not gonna make eighty percent of their fourth downds.

475
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Speaker 3: But you're also now going to have You had no

476
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Speaker 3: real tape, You didn't have one hundred and seventy plays

477
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Speaker 3: that Tomlin talked about of J.

478
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Speaker 2: Daniels running. What are they doing on fourth down?

479
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Speaker 3: Well, now we've got sixty examples of what they do

480
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,160
Speaker 3: on fourth down? All right, So now we're gonna start

481
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 3: taking that stuff away from him and that line success.

482
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Speaker 5: That O line is not the Eagles, it's not the Hogs.

483
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Speaker 5: I mean it's fine, they is traded for Tunsul, but

484
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 5: I mean that can't be your bread and butter. They've

485
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 5: they've they kind of got away with that.

486
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 4: It might be well, it was a high rate of success.

487
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 4: I mean because obviously former Steeler Darnell Stapleson as their

488
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 4: on line coach.

489
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Speaker 5: Right, Oh nice for Washington.

490
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 4: So, I mean Darnell and we and him and I

491
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 4: talked about it, you know, at length, like hey, you know,

492
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Speaker 4: I'm just trying to find the things that these guys

493
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Speaker 4: are good at.

494
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Speaker 2: And just make sure that we continually keep that in

495
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 2: the game plan. I mean, that was that was.

496
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Speaker 4: The idea of So when you're talking about getting away

497
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Speaker 4: with like, let's get away with what we know we

498
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Speaker 4: can do, let's rep it to all high hell like

499
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 4: we usual to else, right, Russ Grim used to do

500
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 4: with us in our offensive line, like we rep double

501
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 4: more than anybody else in league.

502
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Speaker 2: I will put that against anybody.

503
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 4: From two thousand and four to two thousand and six,

504
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 4: nobody practiced double against more different odd fronts than we

505
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 4: did so that when we got to four minute football,

506
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 4: we could run the same exact play in the same

507
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 4: formation against any defense successful.

508
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 2: You could not stop.

509
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 5: Back to Vince Lombardi, you know we're gonna run the

510
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 5: power sweep better than anybody on the planet that ever has.

511
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 5: We're rep it to death, you.

512
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, and you know it's coming and you

513
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 2: still can't stop it, can't stop it.

514
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: And Jayden Daniels was a trump card. Not every team

515
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 3: can do that, not every team has that guy.

516
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Speaker 5: And but I do think there's an element of taking

517
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 5: people by surprise. It's a first year coach, first year quarterback,

518
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 5: first year coordinator, and no one's going to hit eighty

519
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 5: percent on fourth downs because they're not all fourth in

520
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 5: inches either.

521
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Speaker 2: So I understand the idea.

522
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Speaker 3: And every time I see somebody, you know, one of

523
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,719
Speaker 3: these teams doing and I'm like, I don't know if

524
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: i'd go in that situation. Doesn't Oh, you're a dinosaur

525
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: with this is the way football is played now, I'm like,

526
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: that can be the way losing football is played now,

527
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 3: because you're not going to get them all and you're running,

528
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 3: you're doing that deep in your own territory.

529
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Speaker 2: You're just asking to get beat. Yeah, you're just asking

530
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: for it.

531
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're asking for or you're asking for an injury

532
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 4: to happen, you know in those situations, right, because not

533
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 4: only if you are in a backup situation you are

534
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 4: going for fourth down, but.

535
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: Then you do something that is that scrum style.

536
00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 4: Play listen, bad things bad or you could you could

537
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 4: lose Alignment doesn't necessarily have to be the quarterback we've

538
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 4: been talking about him. But if you lose your center, yeah,

539
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 4: you lose one of your one of your Pro Bowl

540
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 4: level guards or high drafted guards, and you don't have

541
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 4: anybody on the bench that that could be just as detrimental.

542
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: That's the thing we don't know.

543
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: So Philadelphia center and their left guard, Landon Dickerson, we're

544
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: both banged up in the playoffs. Was that because it

545
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 3: wasn't specifically on a Toush push play, but did running

546
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: thirty five Toush push plays over the course of the

547
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 3: season cumulative effects the cumulative effect of that affect his back,

548
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: affect his angle, you know, the things that were wrong

549
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: with them.

550
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 2: We don't know that. They might know that. They definitely

551
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: have to know that. Yeah, Okay, maybe we ran too

552
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 2: too many put Yeah, yeah, maybe we should have just

553
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 2: ran a little little veer. Maybe this time we might

554
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: be able to get it. So you have thunderquads in

555
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: the backfield, I do think of them.

556
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 5: I do think it's a massive advantage of the offensive

557
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 5: play color, you know, just on early death, there's no doubt. Yeah,

558
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 5: I mean to know that I have four downs to

559
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 5: play with and not three. Not that I would be

560
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 5: successful every time I'm fourth down, and I'm not saying

561
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 5: go for it on your own twenty and all these things,

562
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 5: but the fact that I know that as a play caller, man,

563
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 5: I can take shots on third and one.

564
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: Everything, whatever you want.

565
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: Jalen's gonna be interesting, guys. With Ben Johnson now taking

566
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 3: over as the head coach in Chicago, we may we

567
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 3: may get an idea here whether it was Ben Johnson

568
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: who was calling all the fourth down stuff and maybe

569
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 3: pushing for the Lions to do that, or whether it

570
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: was Matt Campbell who was the guy pushing to.

571
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Speaker 5: I'm betting it's Campbell. I'm just curious. I mean, just

572
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 5: Campbell's personality is aggresive, aggressive, agressive, aggressive.

573
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Speaker 2: And he is a former offensive player, right, But I

574
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 2: don't I don't know.

575
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 5: That is what I wonder if Johnson will take this.

576
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson gonna take that and run with it in Chicago,

577
00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 3: or is he going to look at this and go

578
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: there were some situations that didn't work out.

579
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 5: I wish I.

580
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 2: Should have done that. Yeah, but it wasn't my call.

581
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,719
Speaker 3: Like somebody called somebody in that and it probably wasn't Campbell.

582
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: It probably was Johnson.

583
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 3: Designed to play where you had your best offensive lineman

584
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: throwing a pass.

585
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's kind of Chiefs asked, you know,

586
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 5: Rann the Rosie and that kind of stuff. Right right,

587
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 5: it's getting a little a little too little aggressive.

588
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: Yet when the only sack that your offensive line gave

589
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: up in a particular game was your right tackle getting

590
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: sacked on a pass, maybe he got a little too cute.

591
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 5: Just a smidge, But I don't think it's an accident

592
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 5: at all that the Lions were built on offensive line

593
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 5: and immediately Johnson goes from Detroit Chicago and trades for

594
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 5: a guard, a center, a guard in the course of

595
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Speaker 5: a week. And I don't care what it costs. I'm

596
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 5: gonna add toony, I'm gonna add you know, I'm gonna

597
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 5: rebuild this thing. I don't know how be, but he's

598
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 5: gonna he's gonna be built on the line, exactly, no doubt.

599
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 4: I mean, And thank goodness they didn't know that before

600
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 4: Ben Jonson, because that's how we got justin fields. And

601
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 4: then Caleb Williams looked like I mean, he looked like

602
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 4: a whirling dervish back there the entire season, and it.

603
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: Was running for his life.

604
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 4: And they're like, well, you know, this is so much

605
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 4: better having Caleb Williams. Ever, just I say, it looks

606
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 4: exactly the same, looks exactly and the result.

607
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 5: Was exactly the same.

608
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: It really was.

609
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Speaker 3: I mean, they won a couple of games early and everybody's, oh,

610
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 3: so they're turning it around, and then proceeded to lose

611
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: like their next eleven in a row.

612
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

613
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Speaker 4: I watched Darnel Mooney walk straight off the field because

614
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 4: I had the Cardinals Bears game where he just walked

615
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: off the.

616
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 2: Field during the play when Caleb was screening J Moore.

617
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Speaker 2: Yeah sorry, DM initials. Yeah, so many of them. Now

618
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: I saw that play as well. And and and so

619
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Speaker 2: you wonder.

620
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 3: Is it the and so much of the time the

621
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Speaker 3: offensive line takes the brunt of the criticism when when

622
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Speaker 3: a quarterback gets sacked a lot, they do, and it's

623
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Speaker 3: not fair to no offensive lineman. That's a quarterback stat.

624
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 5: To me, this is a perfect example is if I'm

625
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 5: taking over the Bears and my job is to get

626
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams right. To me, the biggest problem with Kayleb

627
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 5: Williams is he invites sacks. He did it at USC,

628
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 5: and it was easy to explain. Boy, the USCO line

629
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 5: is really bad. Is it that bad compared to the

630
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 5: I mean, it's not USC's usual standards, but it's easy

631
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 5: to blame the line. Well, he's taking sacks at every level.

632
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 5: So if I'm Johnson, I'm gonna be like, well, I'm

633
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 5: gonna take that excuse away. I mean, I'm not gonna

634
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 5: be able to blame the O line because now I

635
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 5: have Toney at left guard and I got a real center,

636
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 5: and if he's still taking sacks, I either have to

637
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 5: coach it out of him or find another quarterback, you know.

638
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 4: And I think the other thing that people don't want

639
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 4: to look at for quarterbacks is maybe he can't recoverage.

640
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 5: This, oh right, just as always a reason why.

641
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna tell you I've called his games at

642
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 4: USC and I called his game when he was in Chicago.

643
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 4: He cannot recoverage and that's where you see the processing.

644
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: And the going around and trying to move that extra

645
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: corner second that he takes.

646
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: Yes, this is the one that gets him sacked. Yeah,

647
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: and that's in that moment.

648
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 4: It's like hey, and that's why he has to own those,

649
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 4: because it's like, dude, until you sit down and study

650
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 4: which you claim you want to do, and show me

651
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 4: that you could.

652
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: You know what what base outside of base cover two

653
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: looks like. You can show me what three looks like.

654
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: If you can show him what cut three, if you

655
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: can show me cloud coverage and you know where.

656
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: To go with all those, I can't trust you.

657
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 3: Let me ask you about this questions about fields on

658
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: Is that that's something that Shador Sanders has held the

659
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: foot it's over like two point nine seconds at Colorado.

660
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, he invites a lot of same.

661
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: His offensive line was really bad. It is he get trash,

662
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: but he could get rid of the football a lot quicker.

663
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Speaker 4: He could, and it's not just waiting for for Travis

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Speaker 4: Hunter to get open.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: See, that's what's interesting to me about shador Is. It's

667
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Speaker 5: very clear that his O lineman stink. You know, like

668
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Speaker 5: building an O line to college level isn't like getting

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Speaker 5: Shadoor and Hunter to transfer. You can find some skill guys,

670
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Speaker 5: you can turn things around, but you're not gonna find

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Speaker 5: linemen for a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Don eight of them that you're gonna need over the right,

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Speaker 2: I mean like.

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Speaker 5: Georgia, and I mean these teams that can get true

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Speaker 5: freshman and left tackle right. I mean, it was a

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Speaker 5: terrible line. I'll give Sanders that without question, But boy,

677
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Speaker 5: he takes a ton of sacks and a really high

678
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Speaker 5: percentage of their throws are bubbles and quick hitters the

679
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 5: Hunter where the ball does come out super quick. But Sanders,

680
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Speaker 5: I also think when you break down his game, one

681
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Speaker 5: of his best things is processing and reading coverages and

682
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 5: playing on time and rhythm until he doesn't and then

683
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 5: it's a mess, you know well.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's the other thing is having a

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Speaker 4: line that can hold up for you know, the goal

686
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Speaker 4: is an offensive line. I want to be able to

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Speaker 4: hold up from two point five to about three point

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Speaker 4: two seconds.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, then that's that's after that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if it's three two you're still got your quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Throws the ball three point two seconds, it'll turn around

692
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Speaker 3: going to dude, what are you doing back there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: So that's why I think if you as a line,

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Speaker 4: if you can get between that range and that's the

696
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Speaker 4: range you want to be in, every quarterbacksually be able

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Speaker 4: to make a play.

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Speaker 5: So this isn't really encouraging to me. From bringing back

699
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Speaker 5: to those Steelers. If you look at the NFL, next

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Speaker 5: Gen has a stat of average time to pressure, and

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Speaker 5: a pressure to me is a little vague, you know,

702
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Speaker 5: but it's over the course of the year. You have

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Speaker 5: a pretty good idea. The two highest teams in the

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Speaker 5: average time when they actually deemed it a pressure were

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Speaker 5: Kansas City and Baltimore. That adds up. Those two quarterbacks

706
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Speaker 5: are really hard to get pressure on. Their lines are good,

707
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Speaker 5: their schemes are good. The Steelers were third. To me,

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Speaker 5: that says quarterback, not line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if you're allowing ten pressures a game, but

711
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 5: they're late in the down over and over and over,

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you what it's not gonna be on Rogers.

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Speaker 5: If anything will be the opposite, it'll be end of

714
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Speaker 5: Ben getting it out too quick. But it won't be

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Speaker 5: on Rodgers in terms of time to pressure. Yeah, this

716
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Speaker 5: line is better in protection than people think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the reason why they don't like it is because

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Speaker 4: they don't see the points right right, right, but like

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Speaker 4: they see the results, yeah, right, yeah.

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Speaker 5: You see results. You read the stat sheet. It doesn't

722
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Speaker 5: look great. They see the symptoms of the disease. They

723
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Speaker 5: don't see how the disease started, you know, right exactly.

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Speaker 4: And so that's where you have to be like, Okay,

725
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 4: this group isn't as bad. And that's what and that's

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Speaker 4: why I think it's perfect. Why when you're thinking about

727
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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers coming here, it's like you're getting the third

728
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Speaker 4: best blocking you know, off its line group.

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Speaker 2: And pass protection. Yeah, that's a bonus. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And then like you said, you add in a competent

731
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Speaker 4: run game and you have a lot of weapons at

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Speaker 4: your disposal.

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Speaker 5: And he's a micro computer back there with getting the

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Speaker 5: ball out. And actually it's one thing that worries me

735
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 5: is advanced age doesn't want to get hit. Mike put

736
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Speaker 5: it out too quick. But it's not going to be

737
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Speaker 5: back there patting the ball running around. It's coming out

738
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Speaker 5: run an there's gonna be a lot less quarterback hits.

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Speaker 5: If then it weren't last year, assuming Rogers quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to another break. He is Matt Williamson, that's

741
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Speaker 3: Max Starks. I'm Dale Lally. You're listening to The Drive,

742
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Speaker 3: this special edition of The Drive from Palm Beach, Florida,

743
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Speaker 3: here where the league meetings are taking place.

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Speaker 5: We'll be back soon.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, way too. Chill snowing in Pittsburgh. Now where's

746
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Speaker 2: my sweater? We're gonna get take a break. We'll be

747
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Speaker 2: back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williams Sision

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation.

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Speaker 5: Radio, and we are back.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dale Lolly here with Max Starks and Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: We are in West West pom I keep saying West

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Speaker 3: Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Palm Beach County. Yeah, island,

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Speaker 3: that's what's We're right here, Palm Beach of the Country, Florida,

756
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Speaker 3: and we're not.

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Speaker 2: We are in the right place.

758
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Speaker 3: One of our buck homeworkers, but another reporter flew into

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Speaker 3: Fort Lauderdale yesterday, put his hotel into his phone and

760
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: ended up in Miami instead of ending.

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Speaker 2: Up in West Pretty hard to do, you know. The Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he knew where he wanted to go. There's GPS new too.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise, yes, yes, uh so this morning as well, looking

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Speaker 3: at some of the stuff in the division here, John

765
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: Harbaugh was asked about the situation with Lamar Jackson's contract

766
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Speaker 3: and said, hey, yeah, we're we've talked about that internally,

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Speaker 3: what it would look like to give Lamar an extension.

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Speaker 3: So if you're talking about giving Lamar an extension internally,

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Speaker 3: it's probably going to happen. It happened soon, And he

770
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Speaker 3: said he'll probably end up being the highest paid player

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Speaker 3: in the league.

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Speaker 2: That's up for about five minutes right right.

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Speaker 4: Until somebody else comes along and says they want a

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Speaker 4: contract soon. Oh, Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: So when Patrick Mahomes signed his deal, it was a ten.

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Speaker 3: Year, it was ten years, half a million, like five

777
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Speaker 3: hundred somewhere in that range.

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Speaker 2: He's now underpaid.

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Speaker 5: Vastly, which is crazy to say, yeah, vastly. So there's

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Speaker 5: a lot on pass here. In a way, Mahomes is

781
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Speaker 5: doing what Brady did back in the day. You know

782
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Speaker 5: that I will take less for the team. I will

783
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Speaker 5: be very malleable with my money. I could hold your

784
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Speaker 5: guys feet to the fire, but I'm not going to.

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Speaker 5: Giselle also factored in on that Mahomes' deal. I mean

786
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Speaker 5: that they're making money off the field too, clearly, and

787
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Speaker 5: neither one's hurting for bucks. That being said, they also

788
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 5: have so much guaranteed money. I mean, Mahomes could fault

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Speaker 5: on the steps and never play again, and he's still

790
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Speaker 5: getting huge checks for life for life. So there's a

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Speaker 5: lot of security to the way he structured things. But

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Speaker 5: as it stands now, he's ridiculously underpaid.

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Speaker 2: He's outside of the top ten, isn't he?

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Speaker 5: No, I'm sure by now, Yeah, yeah, I think. I mean,

795
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Speaker 5: like Cousins went past him last year, let alone some

796
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Speaker 5: of these other dudes. I mean, no one in this

797
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Speaker 5: free agent class did. But so back to Lamar, I

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Speaker 5: assume what's happening with him is the exact same thing

799
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Speaker 5: that just happened to Josh Allen. That Alan had a

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Speaker 5: lot of years on his deal. I'm sure Lamar does too,

801
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Speaker 5: because it was just what two years ago, he was

802
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Speaker 5: getting shopped and letting the league do the contract for him.

803
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Speaker 5: But we'll just keep you around for ten years. We're

804
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 5: now a partnership. You're not going anywhere. I'm not going anywhere.

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00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 5: The salary cap can borrow from the bank of Josh

806
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 5: Allen or Lamar. The Chiefs just did that to get

807
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 5: into the cap two weeks ago. With Mahomes, you're always

808
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 5: gonna make the team. You're never gonna play for anybody else.

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Speaker 5: We're a true partnership. It's not an employer employee situation,

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00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 5: and he doesn't They don't have to pull up, they

811
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Speaker 5: don't have to rework his contract right now. But it's

812
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Speaker 5: useful because it gives you freedom.

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Speaker 3: Mahomes deal right now is four hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 3: over ten years, so forty five million a year, which

815
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Speaker 3: at the time was a monster deal. It's now fourteenth fourteenth.

816
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Speaker 3: See I'm on quarterbacks. He's average. He's an average quarterback.

817
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: Aack Prescott sixty million dollars a year, Joe Burrow fifty five,

818
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Speaker 3: Josh Allen fifty.

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Speaker 2: Five, and those are new Jordan Love fifty five.

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Speaker 6: Fifty five to a Tago Violet fifty three to one,

821
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Speaker 6: Jared Goff fifty three million, Justin Herbert fifty two to

822
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Speaker 6: five h Then you're looking at Lamar Jackson at fifty two,

823
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Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts at fifty one, Kyler Murray at forty six

824
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Speaker 6: to one, and then Deshaun Watson.

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00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: Forty six, Kirka Cousins forty.

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Speaker 3: Five, and you finally get to Patrick Mahomes at forty five.

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Speaker 5: It's all about timing, though, Yeah, I mean, if Mahomes

828
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Speaker 5: wanted to, if he wanted to be a jag off,

829
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Speaker 5: he just says, I'm not gonna play for you guys

830
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Speaker 5: a go, I'm gonna come a free agent, you know,

831
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Speaker 5: like never sends us.

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Speaker 2: He's not even being a jag off. R.

833
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Speaker 3: It's like, I'm the fourteenth highest peg quarterback in the

834
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Speaker 3: league and I'm the best one right exactly.

835
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Speaker 2: And how many Super Bowls have we gone to?

836
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Speaker 4: Yes, very here, Yeah, every year of the last three

837
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Speaker 4: years and one two of them.

838
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Speaker 2: This is this is the go.

839
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Speaker 5: And even Tua and Lawrence they could have chose to

840
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 5: hit the open market. Cousins is the only one on

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Speaker 5: that list that actually saw free agency. Imagine if Josh

842
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 5: Allen was on hit free agency, he'd get one hundred.

843
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 5: Ye Joe Burrow if he would get up one hundred, Yeah,

844
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Speaker 5: I mean, it wouldn't it would even be close that

845
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 5: Lamar would get a hundred Mahomes will get one twenty.

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Speaker 3: So there was a rumor that somebody made up, apparently

847
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 3: in their basement, that the Cowboys were the Cowboys were

848
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: shopping Dak Prescott, and I was asked, Hey, did you

849
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: hear about this?

850
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: The Steelers might be getting Dak Prescott, Like.

851
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 3: No, they're not because the Cowboys like the Lawrence rumor.

852
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: The Cowboys would take a one hundred and fifty million

853
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: dollar hit on their cap to move Dak Prescott right now.

854
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 5: Because they were going to sign. They can't trade him.

855
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 5: He's untradeable pretty much.

856
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we couldn't field a team if you did that,

857
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: you'd look like fools. Well, you just gave him moneys.

858
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: They just gave him money. That's why the quarterback stot there.

859
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: They're so difficult to trade. Gino Smith was tradable because

860
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: his average cause is his average salary is twenty five million.

861
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Speaker 5: He was the lowest of the true starters. Yeah, I

862
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 5: mean he was at like twenty. Yeah, that's now the

863
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 5: party conversation, because Party's gonna get that to a deal. Yeah,

864
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 5: and or he's gonna hit the open market or you're

865
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 5: gonna trade him. That's a really hard decision, you know,

866
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 5: is he should he be on this list. He's gonna

867
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Speaker 5: be whether he hits the open market or get traded

868
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 5: or the Niners give it to him. It's just the

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00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 5: going rate. I mean, it's not even worth fussing about.

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00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 5: It's just the going rate. Yes, where we're at, That's

871
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 5: where we're at, right yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right now, I'm just looking where he's at on this

873
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Speaker 3: list in terms of start the quarterback pay.

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Speaker 5: Well, perty's gonna beat a million because he's.

875
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Speaker 2: Trying to find he's a seventh round pick, mister irrelevant.

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Speaker 5: In the last year of his deal. Yeah, he made

877
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Speaker 5: nine hundred thousand last year.

878
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Speaker 2: He's gonna make nine hundred thousand this year.

879
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: But he's not the lowest paid guy, because you've got

880
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: Adrian Martinez, Jack Plummer, not Jake Carter, Bradley, Jason Bean,

881
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 3: Emery Jones, Austin Reid, Keaton Slovas Tanner, Mord Devin Leary,

882
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: Chrysalticon and John Reese Plumbley, all making less money than.

883
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: The Rock Party.

884
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: The guys quarterback, the guys ahead of him on the list,

885
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 3: just ahead of him on the paylist. Here you're looking

886
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 3: at Sean Clifford, Sam Hartman, Bleike Cunningham, Jake Browning, Jared Hall,

887
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: Sam Howl, Tanner McKee. And that's why Rock Party is

888
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: going to do. I would hold out for every single

889
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: dollar I could get with.

890
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 5: The bank in the back. Yeah, and that's not the

891
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 5: Niners fault. That's not his fault. He was a seventh

892
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 5: round pick, and this is a contract.

893
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: He was the very last Bell. It's it's the Le'Veon bell.

894
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: Max Starks argument.

895
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 3: If you are a not a first round pick and

896
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: you get the franchise tag, yes you, it looks like

897
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: a lot of it's it's more money than you've ever

898
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: made at any point in your career.

899
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, probably years combined in the first.

900
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: In your first three seasons combined. But there's no guarantee

901
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:00,959
Speaker 3: he's involved here.

902
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: There's no guarantees, and it's all in season salary. Yes,

903
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 4: you get week Wait, so you go to California, you

904
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 4: go to New York, you go to Chicago, you go everywhere.

905
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 4: You pay taxes in all of those cities. Yeah, you

906
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 4: and you get dinged hard.

907
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: Trust me.

908
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 4: We played two times in California during during my transition

909
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 4: tag year, and I was crying because when I looked

910
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 4: at the taxes that went to the state of California,

911
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 4: a place.

912
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: That I did not spend any significant time in. You

913
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 2: were there for about forty eight hours. Yeah, if that

914
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: want to say, thirty six hours.

915
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 4: There was a one o'clock kick on that Raiders game

916
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 4: and you worked for three hours. Yeah, worked for three hours,

917
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 4: and you watch and you watch seven figures go all

918
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 4: the way over there of your salary, like what And

919
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 4: I'll never forget, Like they asked for the check, right,

920
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: and you know, so you send in your your tax check,

921
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 4: you know, on on top of whatever they automatically took

922
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: out of it, and I kept sending it, and they

923
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 4: kept sending me back a bill with like four dollar

924
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: thirty seven cents.

925
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 5: Haven't you taken it off?

926
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: But then when you send.

927
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 4: The four thirty seven Oh well it's it compounds daily,

928
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 4: So now you as another seventy nine cents, Like what

929
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 4: are you kidding?

930
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: Do you not see how many zeros they just went

931
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: over there?

932
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 5: You should put like a fill yeah, extet there, just

933
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 5: keep the changing.

934
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 4: The second time, they're like, we're just gonna because they

935
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 4: didn't give us a computation. I just had to send

936
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 4: them like four bucks just just like give me a

937
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 4: two dollars rebate. Yeah, I was, I was like, yay

938
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: one two fat Yeah, awesome things.

939
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: Guys. That's what you don't consider.

940
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: That's why a signing bonus matters, because that's only taxed

941
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 4: one time in the place that you actually reside.

942
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: It doesn't go, that doesn't count. It doesn't get split

943
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: amongst all the all the coffers.

944
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: Which is why when guys restructure their deals it works

945
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: out one hundred times better because you're not okay, I'm

946
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna take a million dollar salary this year, okay,

947
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: but I'm still gonna pocket that other eighteen that you

948
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: just paid me in signing bonus, and that only gets

949
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: taxed the one time and the state that you're in,

950
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: not sixteen times over the course of the season.

951
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 5: Well, this comes back to Lamar and Allen and these

952
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 5: guys that are gonna do it recently. Well, here's a

953
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 5: giant check from the owner for eighty million or one

954
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 5: hundred million real dollars. You don't get taxed on all

955
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 5: your weekly stuff. It doesn't kill our cap. We know

956
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 5: you're not going anywhere. They know we're not going anywhere.

957
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 5: Let's get married, you know, yeah exactly.

958
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: Let's get to another break. He is Max Starks. That's

959
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to this

960
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 3: special edition of The Drive Live from Palm Beach, Florida.

961
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: Here where we are at the Breakers Hotel.

962
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: Sun is in the sky. The sky is very blue

963
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 3: as a couple of clouds over there.

964
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: But alan trees are out over the ocean. It looks

965
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: very beautiful. I just took a picture right before the show.

966
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: I took a walk out there. They get the nice

967
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: little area there you can be and benches. You know,

968
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 2: you can look at the ocean and look at the ocean.

969
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: There's boats out there floating by little uh, little lizards

970
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: running around, jumping up and down at each other.

971
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: It's interesting, different, different. You don't see that, Pittsburgh, y, Yeah,

972
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: you're not gonna see that.

973
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 4: I mean, the groundhogs might wrestle a little bit, but squirrels, yeah,

974
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 4: squirrels every once in a while.

975
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, not like the little lizards that are running everywhere.

976
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 3: But we're gonna get their break. That's gonna do it

977
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 3: for our number one. We will be back with our

978
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: number two. Of our three hours here today from Palm Beach, Florida,

979
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: right after this