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Speaker 1: The interception, the latest news and notes from the insiders

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Speaker 1: who cover the team.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: That defender is in multiple pieces. Oh that was nasty

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Speaker 3: right there.

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Speaker 2: Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 3: I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 4: So what is the NFL? Not to get too philosophical

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Speaker 4: off the top.

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Speaker 5: I thought you said last week it was a reality

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Speaker 5: check the NFL.

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Speaker 4: This week, Danny is a game of matchups. Okay, that

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Speaker 4: goes back many years, many cliches, ago, eons ago. I

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Speaker 4: bring that up because I said to Ron Wolf, but

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Speaker 4: you most definitely lose the matchup of analysts here in

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Speaker 4: week five, because do you know who's on the call

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Speaker 4: for Fox TV TB twelve Tom Brady, to which Wolf

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Speaker 4: and I was actually kind of shocked, didn't know he

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Speaker 4: still had it in him, said, really, because I see

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Speaker 4: here that the sideline reporter is Aaron Andrews, and you

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Speaker 4: really lose that matchup, And at that moment I kind

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Speaker 4: of regretted poking the bear.

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. First of all, that is

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Speaker 3: to get Fox's number one team. That's impressive, I will

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Speaker 3: also say as a quick aside, And.

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Speaker 4: By the way, it always gets worse because they also

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Speaker 4: have Tom Rinaldi. So I'm really going to take a

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Speaker 3: Wait, they've got two sidelines, two.

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Speaker 4: Sideline reporters, both teams are going to be covered anyway,

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Speaker 4: go ahead there.

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Speaker 3: Wow, So, so who's on your side? Is it Aaron Andrews?

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Speaker 3: I really don't know.

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Speaker 4: I really don't win you as she is one of

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Speaker 4: the nicest people in the industry I've ever met. By

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Speaker 4: the way, I hope it is Aaron Andrews.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't. I don't see why Tom Rinaldi would

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Speaker 3: be any less nice. But that's that's neither here nor there.

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Speaker 3: It's funny when you mentioned philosophical in the NFL quick story,

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Speaker 3: quick Denny Green story. Oh boy, when in two thousand

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Speaker 3: and six when he benched, You're sorry, sorry when Denny Green, No,

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Speaker 3: he benched a lot of people. So that's true, Denny

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Speaker 3: Green bench. Kurt Warner, I see where you're going with that.

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Speaker 3: And Matt Liner took over, and Matt Liner had a

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Speaker 3: handful of starts, and it started really well. They were

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Speaker 3: losing games. Unfortunately they lost to the Chiefs. They lost

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Speaker 3: the Monday Night meltdown, but it wasn't because of the

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Speaker 3: way Matt Lioner was playing.

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Speaker 3: Then it started becoming partly because Matt Liner was playing

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Speaker 3: because he got it got sideways for Matt Liner pretty quickly,

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Speaker 3: and so I don't know, four or five starts into

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Speaker 3: working for the East Valley Tribune at the time, wanted

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Speaker 3: to do a story about, you know, the whole The

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Speaker 3: plan had been all along to have Kurt Warner start

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Speaker 3: I said to Denny Green under the famous interview tree,

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Speaker 3: do you think you would have been better off had

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Speaker 3: Matt Lioner sat this year instead of having to play

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Speaker 3: and go through all these things and just having Kurt

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Speaker 3: that's awful philosophical for a Wednesday, which I never really

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Speaker 3: understood because I didn't know if the philosophy questions were

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Speaker 3: but that's what I think. We mentioned philosophy in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Darren, you do remember that that quarterback change was at Atlanta?

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Speaker 4: You know how I know that is? I do know

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Speaker 4: this because yes, it was. Actually Danny. I was interviewing

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Speaker 4: interviewing Matt Liiner. My last question was, Matt, have you

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Speaker 4: heard anything about your status? Who's going to be the

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Speaker 4: ended with Matt Liner, the head coach, grabbing the microphone

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Speaker 4: live on the air and declaring his next starting quarterback.

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Speaker 3: This is all chronicled on YouTube on Renaissance Man the

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Speaker 3: Folk Tales. So okay, sorry, I didn't mean to derail us,

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Speaker 3: but I hear philosophy, and that's what I go to.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: I hear adjustments, I hear tweak. Yeah, I hear changes

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Speaker 4: all sort of keywords from the head coach this week,

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Speaker 4: and it does make me wonder what's in store?

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Speaker 3: What are those words?

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Speaker 4: Poor tend Danny. Do you think there's a minor major?

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Speaker 4: Is it going to be scheme, Is it going to

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Speaker 4: be personnel? Is it going to be all the above?

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Speaker 4: None of the above? What's your gut on this one?

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Speaker 5: The personnel is not going to change unless the Cardinals

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Speaker 5: get healthy players returning, if Kyrie's tongue on the defensive

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Speaker 5: ir this week and begins practicing because he's now missed

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Speaker 5: the minimum four games, the rookie with that calf injury,

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Speaker 5: that's the only personnel change I would expect to see.

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Speaker 5: The Cardinals are not going to change their foundation and

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Speaker 5: the scheme that they run. When it comes to changes

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Speaker 5: being made, head coach jonathanan said is it's going to

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Speaker 5: be the smaller things, and that's also going to change

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Speaker 5: week to week based on your opponent. Even if the

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Speaker 5: Cardinals had completely shut down Washington last week, it would

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Speaker 5: be a completely different game plan for the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 5: Rock Perty is a very different quarterback than Jayden Daniels.

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Speaker 5: There would be changes regardless the fact that this run

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Speaker 5: defense has given up almost two hundred rushing yards and

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Speaker 5: back to back weeks, that's a change I would expect

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna I'm going to boil down what Danny said. Real,

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Speaker 3: We're real succinctly yet, Paul Larry Fitzgerald is not walking

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Speaker 3: Tyron Matthew is not walking through that door.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you, though, if Darius Robinson walks through

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Speaker 4: that door, Oh that's true, he could walk through that,

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Speaker 4: I will get up out of this seat and I

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Speaker 4: will applaud. There will be a standing ovation from yours truly.

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Speaker 4: If d rob does walk through that door. I'm you

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Speaker 4: know what that's because A what he looked like in

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Speaker 3: I agree with all those things. The only thing that

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Speaker 3: that includes that includes Darius Robinson's fellow first round pick,

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Speaker 3: because Darius Robinson did play in the first preseason game

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Speaker 3: more than Marvin Harrison did, but not much, and then

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Speaker 3: he was shut down in games like everybody else. And

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Speaker 3: now he's been sitting for a month. So while I

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Speaker 3: do think he can make an impact, I'm curious to

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Speaker 4: I still have that snapshot in my head of what

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Speaker 3: I mean, at this point, you absolutely want to you

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Speaker 3: want to see him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It will also bring down stab counts, the way that

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Speaker 5: there that helps keep the other numbers down to keep

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Speaker 5: were last week, extra bodies make a difference.

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Speaker 3: Well, for what it's worth.

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Speaker 4: On the Head Coaches TV show this week, game Plan,

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Speaker 4: I did ask him, okay, so in terms of priorities,

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Speaker 4: where does run defense rank? And he said, right up, there,

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Speaker 4: no doubt about it. Especially to your point, Danny, about

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Speaker 4: your next opponent, a forty nine Ers team that is

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Speaker 4: still running the ball minus their first team All Pro

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Speaker 4: running back Christian McCaffrey, Jordan Mason is just filled right.

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Speaker 4: In three of the four games he has over one

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Speaker 3: Jordan Mason on pace if he played all seventeen games

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Speaker 3: to rush for nineteen hundred yards a season. By the way,

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Speaker 3: come on now, really, yeah, I just did the math, Okay,

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Speaker 4: Okay, I see your factoid with another one. Jordan Mason's

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Speaker 4: four hundred and forty seven rushing yards so far the

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Speaker 4: Niners are running the ball, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so speaking of the week after, I'm gonna bust

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Speaker 4: this out. I don't know much, but I know this month.

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Speaker 3: Don't don't waste all your good packers takes.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 4: No, this has nothing new with the package.

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Speaker 3: Oh you just said the weekend.

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Speaker 4: This has to do with playing a team the week after.

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Speaker 3: Oh, rainbows.

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Speaker 4: So the Lions won last night, and I don't know

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Speaker 4: where I stand on the picks. We'll get to that

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Speaker 4: a little bit later. I can tell you this much,

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Speaker 4: I'm not taking Seattle next week in Week five, because

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Speaker 4: teams that go against the Lions this year the week

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Speaker 4: after are zero to three by a combined one oh

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Speaker 4: nine to thirty one. The Rams lost in Week two

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Speaker 4: week three after beating the Lions, they lost to Denver

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Speaker 4: twenty six to seven. They were anemic, and then the Cardinals,

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Speaker 4: after playing the Lions, lost forty two to fourteen. That

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Speaker 3: That's not bueno.

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Speaker 4: So what we talked about last week on Cardinals Underground

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen the week after the Seattle slugfest. We talked

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Speaker 4: about with Kyle Vannenbosch. He was on one of the

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Speaker 4: most physical teams in recent memory, that that Tennessee team

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Speaker 4: that had a dominic ensue and right teams at the

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Speaker 4: week after playing that team were three and thirteen. So

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Speaker 4: as we're trying to explain in diagnose and correct things

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Speaker 4: from the Week four loss against Washington, I wonder how

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Speaker 4: much of it just has to do with that. For example,

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon his Monday press conference, very last question about

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Speaker 3: I don't think the offense is always going to click,

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Speaker 3: that's always been that. That's not unique to what I

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Speaker 3: Their yeah, top priorities. I agree with all that. I again,

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Speaker 4: They even got the Garrett Williams interception when it was

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Speaker 4: still fourteen seven or seven fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Seven on the pick, and then they got a punt.

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Speaker 3: They didn't do anything, gotcha right, and they got it

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Speaker 4: And there's no doubt that for forty two fourteen you're like,

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Speaker 3: that stat would you love to know that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and you know what happened on that drive

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Speaker 3: Loose quote here.

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Speaker 4: He said, Look, we believe in what we're doing. We

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Speaker 4: So I don't see any major changes going forward. But

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Speaker 4: reverse engineer it. The head coach and what was a

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Speaker 4: how the team plays when it's not this musical chairs

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Speaker 5: Right, you can't have a drive where you've got back

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Speaker 4: By the way, speaking of the drugs machine, postgame interview

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Speaker 4: was your level of confidence that you're actually going to

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Speaker 4: it all the time on my own time. I'm like, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you that's what he said.

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Speaker 4: So I thought it was a pretty legit question. He

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a reason usually guys are playing dB right.

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Speaker 4: Is there some sort of unknown What am I missing here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? He played DV in high school.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you this much as the physical thing goes, Darren,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna go. We're gonna go to the Bay Area

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Speaker 4: By the way, game Day is going to what college

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Speaker 3: Have you have you been working? Have you been watching

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Speaker 3: From showing up like they played Miami. Correct, that is

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Speaker 4: Kyle Vanabush asked me if the protesters are still in

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Speaker 4: Let's figure out this offense for the Cardinals, as it

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Speaker 3: Now here's my question.

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Speaker 4: How much of the last two weeks and not getting

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Speaker 4: more max protect. You have a backupright tackle, takes players

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Speaker 5: Not as much this week. The difference of this week

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Speaker 5: mind less about utilizing a tight end as a blocker

440
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Speaker 5: rather than a catcher and looking at the receivers. There

441
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 5: have been multiple drops passes. Seems like miscommunication of passes

442
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Speaker 5: that are too high or it's off a little bit

443
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Speaker 5: on the distance of them. Marvin Harrison Junior needs to

444
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Speaker 5: be more in That was something that Kyler Murray said

445
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Speaker 5: postgame himself. Harrison has a trend where he starts off

446
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Speaker 5: fast and it seems like the ball is finding him,

447
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 5: and then you go the second corner and it doesn't

448
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 5: find him as much. Then you go the third quarter,

449
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 5: doesn't find him as much, and the fourth quarter he

450
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 5: wasn't targeted at all, only the first and the third.

451
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Speaker 5: This past week he went twenty eight minutes without being targeted.

452
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 5: He's your best player. Offensive corner Drew Petsen said, it

453
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 5: is a fine line of making sure the ball finds

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Speaker 5: your best player in those moments without forcing it. Cardinals

455
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Speaker 5: need to find a way though, to get the ball

456
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Speaker 5: to Harrison when they need to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if the Pro Bowl was based on the first

458
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Speaker 4: quarter only Marvin Harrison Junior would be going.

459
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Speaker 5: Not the rules, Paul, not how it worked.

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Speaker 4: Maybe Okay, this Niners defense, though Darren six sacks last

461
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Speaker 4: week minus Javon Hargrave, some guy named Kevin Gibbons had

462
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Speaker 4: at two and a half sacks. When he said, like

463
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Speaker 4: four in his entire five year career, and then you

464
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Speaker 4: had Nick Bosa with a sack and nine quarterback pressures.

465
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Speaker 4: So I'm guessing there's gonna be plenty of twelve and

466
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Speaker 4: thirteen personnel to help out against the next ninety seven

467
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Speaker 4: Nick Bosa.

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Speaker 3: You would think, you would think, Although you know, Paris

469
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Speaker 3: Johnson is having a pretty solid season. I think I'll

470
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Speaker 3: be interesting to see how many chances of one on

471
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Speaker 3: one he would get against Nick Bosa.

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Speaker 4: McBride though, if he is back, Yeah, how big is

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Speaker 4: that you think?

474
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Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's huge. I think there's

475
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Speaker 3: a certain security blanket aspect to his game that for

476
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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray. He just changes the dynamic of what you

477
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Speaker 3: might have, especially over the middle. I mean it's just

478
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Speaker 3: like if the forty nine ers were missing George Kittle.

479
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Speaker 3: I mean, you're gonna be able to do some stuff

480
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Speaker 3: you could, you can make it through, but it just

481
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Speaker 3: it makes it so much better if you have him.

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Speaker 3: And I do think Trey McBride has gotten better at

483
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Speaker 3: his blocking, but I think he's important, and you know,

484
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Speaker 3: an underlying, underrated part of McBride's game, in my opinion,

485
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Speaker 3: is especially when he's catching the ball a few times,

486
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Speaker 3: like he's he's one of those energy dudes on the

487
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Speaker 3: on the field now, like he makes a big play,

488
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Speaker 3: like the sideline gets revved up, he gets revveed up.

489
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Speaker 3: You can feel it a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole tight end screen thing. You know, I

491
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Speaker 4: still I still need tight end screens to not only

492
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Speaker 4: Trey mcplay, but Tip Ryman. You know, whatever happened to

493
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Speaker 4: my who wants them? That was the name of the

494
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Speaker 4: play for Tip Ryman. Give him a tight end screen

495
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Speaker 4: and here comes six to five to seventy five. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I just you know, we'll see, maybe this would be

497
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Speaker 4: a good game for that against the stinking Niners. They

498
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Speaker 4: think they're physical and all that. Right, Fred Warner, here

499
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Speaker 4: it comes. Here's this two hundred and seventy five pound rookie.

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Speaker 3: Get you got Paul involved the NFC West, and the

501
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Speaker 3: emotions just jump off right off the page.

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Speaker 4: You are right, I start talking like I'm actually in

503
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Speaker 4: the game. It's ridiculous. You're You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 5: Paul is a certified hater when it comes to divisional opponents,

505
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Speaker 5: and I live for it.

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Speaker 4: Well, the twelves though, especially, I mean the twelve. You know,

507
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Speaker 4: I feel bad for the twelves this week, well, not

508
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 4: really got free.

509
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Speaker 5: You haven't been able to call them the last play Seahawks.

510
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Speaker 3: Right, You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 4: That offense actually a pretty dang decent on Monday Night

512
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Speaker 4: against the Lions, that new offensive coordinator, right, I mean, so, yeah,

513
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 4: the NFC West is back to being the real deal,

514
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 4: maybe the best in all the NFL from top to bottom.

515
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Speaker 5: All the more important to get a divisional win this week.

516
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Speaker 4: And remember the Rams last year started three and six

517
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 4: and made the playoffs. So don't put it past Sean McVay.

518
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Speaker 4: And you saw what he did against the forty nine ers.

519
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Speaker 4: It's interesting because the forty nine ers lost too in

520
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 4: a row, and then they came out and they got

521
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 4: to win against New England, right, and they were doing

522
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 4: things to beat themselves, and you know, it was interesting

523
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Speaker 4: to hear some of the team leaders, like Trent Williams, said.

524
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Speaker 3: We needed it.

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Speaker 4: It was more than just going two and two on

526
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Speaker 4: the season. It was something for our confidence because they

527
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Speaker 4: had lost at Minnesota and then lost to the very

528
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Speaker 4: end against the Rams. Cardinals I think are in sort

529
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Speaker 4: of a similar spot right now. They've lost the two

530
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Speaker 4: in a row boom. You go out there and you

531
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Speaker 4: know you he played a really physical last game against

532
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Speaker 4: the forty nine ers last year. You ran for over

533
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Speaker 4: two hundred yards. I still remember Fred Warner being asked

534
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Speaker 4: because they had the number one ranked run defense going

535
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Speaker 4: into Week fourteen last year.

536
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so that was a home game for the Cardinals, right.

537
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, And then Fred Warner was asked, even

538
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Speaker 4: in a victory, someone asked, well, what about giving up

539
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 4: more than two hundred rushing yards. That's the first time

540
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Speaker 4: in like five years the forty nine ers have done that.

541
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Speaker 4: And Fred Warner literally was at a loss for words.

542
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, I can't really explain that. And so

543
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 4: if the Cardinals can get back to that. And the

544
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Speaker 4: reason I bring that up is the two Cardinals touchdown drives,

545
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Speaker 4: James Connor had the bulk of the yards. He had

546
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: more than fifty percent of the yards in both touchdown

547
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 4: drives rushing. So is a return to that sort of

548
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 4: kind of ball against the Niners team that has a

549
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 4: lot of replacements and backups on the defensive front. Fred

550
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Speaker 4: Warners considered day to day. Didn't finish the game last

551
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Speaker 4: week with the ankle injury. Obviously, he's huge in the

552
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 4: front seven, best middle linebacker in the game. But I

553
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 4: do wonder, if you're trying to, okay, settle the offense,

554
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 4: do you get back to your original identity in DNA?

555
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: Okay? So somebody asked me a similar question in the

556
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Speaker 3: mailbag this week, so I looked it up, and this

557
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: would be all the drives through as I dropped my

558
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Speaker 3: pen and all this stuff. This would be through all

559
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Speaker 3: the drives through Connor's second touchdown, which is basically when

560
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 3: things got sideways for the Cardinals after that. Right, So,

561
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Speaker 3: on the first drive, which was, of course we know

562
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Speaker 3: the Harrison touchdown, Connor had touched it five of nine plays, okay.

563
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Speaker 3: On the second drive where they punted, he touched it

564
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Speaker 3: three of six plays. He didn't play the next series,

565
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Speaker 3: which was I think of three and out, but they

566
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: ended up punting on fourth and one. They couldn't get

567
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: third and one or something like that. Then they went

568
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Speaker 3: three and out again. Connor got the ball on first down,

569
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: but he got stuff for no gain and then I

570
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Speaker 3: think they got sacked and then it kind of got sideways.

571
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Speaker 3: He had it for three of four plays before the

572
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Speaker 3: end of the half before they went in the hurry

573
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: mode and they ended up turning it over on downs,

574
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: but by the after that was four plays, like they

575
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: needed to throw every down. Then came the third and

576
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 3: thirty four series ye yep. And then then was their

577
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: last touchdown where he had it on five of eleven

578
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: plays and De Marcado actually also got to carry on

579
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: that play too, So I guess my argument would be, like,

580
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 3: how much more do you need to give it to

581
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 3: James Connor? Yeah, like he was getting touches, he was

582
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: getting the ball, So I guess I don't know what

583
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: else you were going to do other than make sure

584
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 3: he gains yards more than he was getting. But he

585
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: was getting the ball. It's not like they were throwing

586
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 3: it eighty percent of the time and just not running it.

587
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 4: And all told on the game, Cardinals ran it thirty

588
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 4: two times for a buck eighty two. That's five point

589
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 4: seven yards of carry.

590
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Speaker 3: It was a weird game, really weird game.

591
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Speaker 4: I mean, Kyler Murray's passer rating was nearly ten points

592
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: higher than Jayden Daniels, so in some ways the numbers

593
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 4: were really deceiving based on the way it looked and

594
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 4: the way it came out in the.

595
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Speaker 3: Box score, here's what.

596
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 4: So, if you want to use the eyeball test, have

597
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 4: you had more of those games yet where the Cardinals

598
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: wore down the defense where you got to the fourth

599
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 4: quarter and the opposing defense is like no Moss tapping

600
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Speaker 4: out because that happened last year against Pittsburgh at Philly.

601
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 4: Even if it's that Niners team, you ran for more

602
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 4: than two hundred Seattle, you ran for I think at

603
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 4: buck eighty in Week eighteen. I mean you got to

604
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 4: the point in second halves over the second half of

605
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 4: last season where defense is wanted. No more of Kramit

606
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Speaker 4: vertical and.

607
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Speaker 5: The Rams game this year Cardinals ran for two thirty one.

608
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 4: There you go, and so can you get back to

609
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 4: that where you're actually wearing down a defense where it

610
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 4: may not necessarily payoff in the first half and it

611
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 4: might be somewhat pedestrian, but then you get into the

612
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 4: third and fourth.

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Speaker 5: Quarter and look out, Yes, this offense is built around

614
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 5: being able to run the ball. That's an important piece

615
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 5: of their identity. They got back to it this week

616
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Speaker 5: after it was not effective the week prior against Detroit.

617
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 5: The numbers would say James Connor had a good game

618
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 5: and he did it was the fact that the offense

619
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Speaker 5: couldn't produce anything with the yardage that they were gaining.

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Speaker 5: The Cardinals have found themselves in a spa where when

621
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Speaker 5: you don't have rhythm and you can't seem to move

622
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 5: the chains and really get points on the board, you

623
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 5: force yourself to become one dimensional. So when you're looking

624
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 5: at these numbers and you're saying, what more could Connor

625
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 5: be doing when he's running the ball, You're not looking

626
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Speaker 5: for any more from Connor. You're looking for every other

627
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Speaker 5: piece on the offense to build off of what he

628
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 5: is doing. I'm not looking for any more than what

629
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Speaker 5: Connor put up last week. That's sustainable throughout the rest

630
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 5: of the year. You need your other pieces on offense,

631
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 5: your other receivers to carry their workload and also be

632
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 5: a threat so that the Cardinals are not one dimensional

633
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 5: and forced to just continue to pass the ball late

634
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 5: in the game the way they were the last two weeks.

635
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Speaker 4: So earlier here on Cardinals Underground, I mentioned how I

636
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 4: decisively lost the matchup actually as Wolf, to both Aaron

637
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 4: Andrews and most certainly Tom Renald. So can I say

638
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 4: that I am the Joe Burrow of trivia you gotta

639
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: die your hair first.

640
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: Oh, I would pay for that.

641
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 5: Darren's gonna pay to die your hair.

642
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna ignore that. And the Joe Burrow comp I

643
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: was making is that I'm just a slow starter.

644
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: That's all you know. I'm gonna slow out of the gates.

645
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Speaker 3: First three, Paul, so is Joe Burrow.

646
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Speaker 4: Before we talk more about the record, let's hit the intro.

647
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Speaker 1: It's time for the wise Guy, the world's fastest Growing

648
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: Cardinals quiz show. The steaks are low, the winner gets

649
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Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. Here's your hostess with the mostess.

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Speaker 3: Danny's right.

651
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Speaker 5: I wish I had people follow me around with the

652
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Speaker 5: introduction and the applause my daily routine. It's a nice touch.

653
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Speaker 5: Darren as our reigning champion, Yea once again, get to

654
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Speaker 5: choose who gets the first.

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Speaker 3: Question I'm gonna receive this week, Danny.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Paul gets a little extra time to warm up school.

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00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: Sounds like he's smelling himself. He's not going to defer,

658
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: He's going to receive. Okay, let's make him regret it.

659
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 5: Okay, here we go, Darren, first question. In two thousand

660
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 5: and four, Larry Fitzgerald scored his first career touchdown against

661
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 5: the forty nine Ers in a Week five game at

662
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 5: San Francisco's Candlestick Park. In that game, who was the

663
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 5: Cardinals starting left tackle?

664
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 4: See now, Darren was at that game. That was the

665
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: year before I started on the sidelines. So you know,

666
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: right there as a competitive disadvantage. I think somehow this

667
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: is it.

668
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 5: Isn't even your question, Paul Taylor.

669
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: This is being tailored tour Darren. Leonard Davis, that would

670
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: be correct.

671
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 4: Come on, that was at best and educated guess and

672
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 4: he gets it right.

673
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: It was somewhat educated. But I remember that Denny Green

674
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: was in there and he did not like LJ. Shelton,

675
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: and he also said Leonard Davis is not a guard,

676
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: He's a tackle. So he put him out of tackle.

677
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: And then when it was a free agent, he became

678
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: a guard again and went to Dallas and made eighteen

679
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: Pro Bols.

680
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 5: Time to lock in, Paul, Okay, there we go. In

681
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 5: the nineteen eighty one NFC Championship against the Cowboys, I

682
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 5: watched it forty nine let's see, forty nine Ers quarterback

683
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 5: Joe Montana found receiver Dwight Clark in the back of

684
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 5: the end zone for one of the most famous touchdowns

685
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: in NFL history, forever known as the catch.

686
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: I was eleven years old and I was standing on

687
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 4: the coffee table and that went down because the Niners

688
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 4: just went to the super Bowl, and that's where I

689
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 4: grew up.

690
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: Go ahead.

691
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 5: The play sent the forty nine ers to the super Bowl.

692
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 5: In this audio clip which is about to be played,

693
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 5: name the announcer on the call.

694
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I know this, by the way, without the

695
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: old man.

696
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 6: Well, how is this one gonna end? Montana lines up

697
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 6: at the fire and on third down and three, he

698
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 6: rolls right, looking to throw, looking to throw, and he

699
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 6: throws into the end zone. Touchs down, cuts down, touchstop,

700
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 6: Sam Francesco, my Rife roll with fifty one seconds remaining.

701
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 3: E Vin Scully was on the TV call. See that's

702
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: what I knew.

703
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 4: The team that was before Joe Starkey and the announcer

704
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: also did games for the Giants and the A's venerable

705
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 4: man in the Niners Hall of Fame. I want to

706
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 4: say his first name start so the V and I

707
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: can't remember because I haven't heard the name in like

708
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 4: twenty five years.

709
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: I can't even steal this because I thought it was

710
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: going to be the Vin.

711
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 5: Scully one, So the TV broadcast did have Vin Scully

712
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 5: in Hankstram. It was Jack buck on.

713
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 4: The call with that summer of oh So that was

714
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 4: national radio, is what that was interesting?

715
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: Speaking of that game, fun fact, you does your eleven

716
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: year old self remember this. The forty nine Ers had

717
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: six turnovers in that game. No, I did not remember.

718
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: It had six turnovers and they still won. I don't

719
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: think you could win a game with six turnovers these days,

720
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 3: but you did those days. All I remember.

721
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 4: That was year three of the Bill Walsh turn around.

722
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 4: He took over a two win team in seventy nine.

723
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: In eighty one they won the Super Bowl. And that's

724
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 4: why he's a Hall of Fame AD coach.

725
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: You look at both the forty nine, two teams that

726
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: really resonate with me, the forty nine Ers and the

727
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: Steelers before their heydays. The forty nine Ers in the eighties,

728
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: the Steelers in the seventies. They were terrible franchises for

729
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 3: a long period of time. Anyways, Yeah, there we go. Okay,

730
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 3: all right, Okay, Darren, here we go.

731
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 5: Yes, After six seasons in San Francisco, this quarterback played

732
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 5: part of the two thousand and seven season in Arizona

733
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 5: and through three touchdown passes for the Cardinals.

734
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: Could you repeat the question? Really?

735
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 5: I sure can. After six seasons in San Francisco, this

736
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 5: quarterback played part of the two thousand and seven season

737
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 5: in Arizona and threw three touchdown passes for the Cardinals.

738
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: Simmerte correct, I actually knew that one.

739
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 4: Sure you did, Paul, and of course it wasn't my question.

740
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 4: So okay, this repeats a pattern around here, but we

741
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 4: got to stay mentally tough. We're still in the game.

742
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: Is it late third quarter? We're still in the game.

743
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: There we go. I think I'm kneeling down, Rawbo. We're

744
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 3: going to take this last question.

745
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 4: No stinking victory formation yet, let's go.

746
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 5: I hope that this doesn't give it away. But the

747
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 5: fact that unbland because Darren chose the order of these questions,

748
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 5: that this is your question, Paul, is everything I could

749
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 5: want and more.

750
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 4: Okay, So, Danny, I hate the red I mean I

751
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,959
Speaker 4: hate the red hot chili peppers, but give it away.

752
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 3: Let's go.

753
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 5: In twenty nineteen, this Cardinals receiver had an eighty eight

754
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 5: yard receiving touchdown against the forty nine Ers the seventh

755
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 5: longest passing touchdown in Cardinals team history.

756
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, what year was this again? Say it again?

757
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 4: I was so distracted, Say it one more time.

758
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 5: In twenty nineteen, this Cardinals receiver had an eighty eight

759
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 5: yard receiving touchdown against the forty nine Ers, the seventh

760
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 5: longest passing touchdown in Cardinal's team hatory, I'm gonna.

761
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: Be so disappointed if you don't get this.

762
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 4: Eighty eight yards in two thoy nineteen. So okay, that

763
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 4: was the year. It was the first year.

764
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, Christian kirk Ey, Andy, that was right in front

765
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: of me too.

766
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 6: He caught it.

767
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 4: He caught it where the camera is, caught it like this,

768
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 4: right in front of Cliff and then zig Zag went there.

769
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness.

770
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 5: Andy, Isabella is your player?

771
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: You guys?

772
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: I just that's you know, that's cruel and unusual. Really,

773
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 4: you took my player and you beat me over the

774
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 4: head with it.

775
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: That's uh. I thought for sure you were going to

776
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: get it too.

777
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 4: My recollection on that sort of stuff. Oh boy, Okay,

778
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 4: all right, So I've gone from being Joe Burrow to

779
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 4: being the Jacksonville Jaguars.

780
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: I'm Trevor Lawrence apparently, if it makes you feel any better, Paul,

781
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: you and I were both ten and five and the

782
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: picks this week, so we are now tied for the

783
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 3: lead was thirty four and twenty six, seven and eight.

784
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: Danny was seven and eight, so she's three games behind.

785
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 5: Now I'm still in it.

786
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: You are still in it. I mean you you were

787
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: way behind early and you caught up. So there's a

788
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: long season ago. Now, as for a wise guy, I

789
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 3: don't know if if Paul's ever going to catch up,

790
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 3: you know, but if he's missing the Andy Isabella questions,

791
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: we got a problem. Yeah, you know, what do we

792
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: play the Giants this year?

793
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 4: No?

794
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: Oh, I want to see if there was an Isaiah

795
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: Simmons question.

796
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 4: You know, you know how I think I'm going to emulate. Actually,

797
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 4: I'm going to be the Brock Party of the trivia.

798
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 4: That's a good one, and be the Brock Party. I'm

799
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 4: not going to show up until December and then I'm

800
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 4: gonna have like a Hall of Fame career.

801
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: The moment I do rock Party was really good. Last

802
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 3: what high school was he? Again? By the way, Gilbert Parry?

803
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: Parry You went to Perry? Yeah, okay, so he was

804
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 3: really good last week.

805
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 4: I mean, by the way last week, okay, he averaged

806
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 4: nineteen point two yards per completion. He had chunk throws

807
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 4: at fifty three to d Bow, thirty eight, Dayuke forty five,

808
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 4: and thirty two to Juwan Jennings.

809
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: So you're saying that if the Cardinals come up and

810
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: all of a sudden lock down the run game, that

811
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: doesn't end things.

812
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: Exactly. There's two aspects of the Niners offense right now.

813
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 4: They run it and they throw a deep. I mean

814
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 4: like it's like those old Steelers teams or the old

815
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: Raiders teams from the seventies. I think you want to

816
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: throw back.

817
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: I think Party leads the league in yards per completion.

818
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 3: You're talking about the way the Steelers used to run

819
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: and then throw deep. Exactly.

820
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Raiders, that just the mentality and the cells, and.

821
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 3: That was the mentality of that you run, run, run,

822
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: and then you'd throw it down. And if your quarterback

823
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: had twenty interceptions, who cared? So Carid cared.

824
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 4: He has twenty five NFL starts under his belt, and

825
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 4: his passer rating of nearly one thirteen is the highest

826
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 4: of any quarterback through twenty five starts since nineteen seventy

827
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 4: since the merger. Think about that, he's had the only

828
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 4: quarterback in in the first twenty five starts who's had

829
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 4: more one hundred passer rating games in their career. Mahomes

830
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: so and by the system surd this sort of. I

831
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 4: mean what he's done as an NFL quarterback.

832
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 3: And this year, I know they're only two and two

833
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: through no fault of his own. He's been missing, He's

834
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 3: missed Kittle, he's missed Deebo Saaniel, he hasn't had Christian

835
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: McCaffrey the whole time, and Brandon Ayuk looks terrible after

836
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: not doing it. Yes, so he's doing all these things

837
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 3: with issues.

838
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

839
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 4: By the way, it says right here that when throwing

840
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 4: to Ayuk this year he has a passer rating of

841
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 4: fifty six, and that's the second lowest among any tandem

842
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 4: in the NFL. Throwing to everybody else, he has a

843
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 4: passer rating in a one to twenty five. So you

844
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 4: just hope this isn't the week that they figure out

845
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 4: the chemistry between Purdy and Ayuk.

846
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 3: He didn't get his contract yet, did he, Ayuk? No, perty,

847
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: I know you did.

848
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, party might still have a roommate you know,

849
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 4: like he did his first two years. We're not sure

850
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 4: he might have enough endorsements. Now he doesn't have married

851
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 4: I'm pretty.

852
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: Sure, okah, probably Okay, so if he's got a roommate,

853
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: we got to talk prop Yeah.

854
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting though, like if you talk about the

855
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: Cardinals hitting the reset button right, and you know, the

856
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 4: whole the Big Red Purge.

857
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: As we've talked about the Purge, Paul, I, are there

858
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: other purges that we have? I'm not naming him.

859
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 4: No, I'm really sorry, miss mood. No, you know, I'm

860
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 4: just I'm not in a fun mood to let everybody know.

861
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 4: There's the Purge, there's the Purge, Anarchy, Purge, election year,

862
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 4: the first Purge of Forever Purge, and what is now

863
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 4: known as the Big Red Purge, Cardinals hitting the reset button.

864
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: That's my favorite part of the podcast.

865
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 4: I go back to what Jed York said during last

866
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: year's Super Bowl when they asked him about hiring Kyle

867
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,479
Speaker 4: Shanahan and John Lynch took over a two win, forty

868
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 4: nine Ers team in twenty seventeen, and Jed York told

869
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: the mediu I'm quoting now. He smiled and laughed. He

870
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 4: said Kyle was really clear during the interview. He was like,

871
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 4: this is one of the worst rosters I've ever seen

872
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: in the NFL. That's what the candidate, Kyle Shanahan told

873
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 4: the owner Jed York, and then eventually signed I think

874
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 4: it was a six year contract right out of the gate.

875
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: And what's remarkable is arguably the most talented roster in

876
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: the NFL, despite probably the worst trade in the modern

877
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 4: history of the NFL, three first round picks for Trey Lance.

878
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 3: Well, for now, the Deshaun Watson thing is true and Bryce.

879
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 4: Young, they're coming strong, they're working hard, they're working overtime

880
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 4: to overcome it. Right, So just give those a little time.

881
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 4: We'll see what history is now.

882
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: The Trey Lance. I mean again, you can't overstate. First

883
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: of all, John Lynch and Kyle Shannon have done a

884
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: great job of the forty nine ers. But you cannot

885
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: overstate the luck factor into getting Rock Party in the

886
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: as mister Irrelevant and having him turn into this quarterback

887
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 3: when you fell on your face trying to find that guy.

888
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: Because if they didn't have Rock Party, this isn't they're

889
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: not doing this.

890
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 4: And look, they drafted George Kittle and they drafted Fred Warner,

891
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 4: and they drafted Nick Bosa, Debo, they drafted they drafted

892
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 4: their all pro safety.

893
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 3: Who is back?

894
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 4: Talloah, who funk He's back?

895
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: So, I mean, you know Ayuk.

896
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 4: But they also traded for Tren Williams and traded for

897
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 4: CMC And they had some free agency acquisitions like Javon

898
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 4: Hargrave who's now done for the year, but Sharvarius.

899
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 3: Ward was a free agency They got a great team.

900
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: Mean you know. So In fact, before the season, before

901
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: McCaffrey was hurt, assuming Ayuk was coming back, the assumption

902
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: was they were the NFC favor right, sure, I mean,

903
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: I guess the lines were kind up there, but I

904
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 3: would have put them there.

905
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 4: I mean, at this point if you had to go ahead,

906
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: and you know, ear Mark, who's going to be in

907
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 4: the NFC Championship game, probably be a rematch at this

908
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 4: point based on what we've seen. But you know, Niners

909
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 4: go in there and they're two and zero at home now.

910
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 4: They've also made mistakes early in the year. They had

911
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 4: a couple of turnovers. In this last game against New England,

912
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 4: they had a couple of flags that wiped out a

913
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 4: couple of touchdowns.

914
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 3: So, and I do feel like the Cardinals. I know

915
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: the one score got a little sideways. I mean, I

916
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: do feel like the Cardinals play them tough. It's one

917
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: of those it's a division game. I do not expect

918
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: anything close to what we saw from the Cardinals this

919
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: weekend at all. I'll share this story.

920
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 4: I've told it before but not in a while, that

921
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 4: the first game at the forty nine ers last year,

922
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon moniossa fort Week four where the Cardinals got

923
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 4: down twenty one to three but then fought back to

924
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 4: twenty one to sixteen, had a ninety nine yard drive.

925
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 4: Cardinals came out hitting in that game. Michael Wilson had

926
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 4: a big game, some contested catches that the TV sideline

927
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 4: reporter was over on the Niners sideline later in the

928
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 4: game and John Lynch had come down and that sideline

929
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 4: reporter had had a conversation with John Lynch, and the

930
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 4: sideline reporter relayed to me that Lynch was really impressed

931
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 4: by the Cardinals, just the ferocity and the physicality, just

932
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 4: how different they had looked from twenty twenty two. And

933
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 4: I thought that that was high praise.

934
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 5: That's been every game where the Cardinals have gone up

935
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 5: against a high motor, physical, violent team, the Eagles last year,

936
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 5: at the forty nine Ers last year, the Lions this year.

937
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 5: Every time it's a matchup and the Cardinals need to

938
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 5: step up and be just as physical they have been.

939
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: What else is key for the Cardinals to get it

940
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 4: back on track. I mean it's easy to talk about,

941
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 4: you know, third downs and the explosives in the passing game.

942
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: What else, low key? What else has to happen. I

943
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: know they've worked so hard to get away from this,

944
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: but after watching last week and Kyler only running the

945
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: ball one time, he's got to have a handful of runs.

946
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: I don't care if they're off schedule. They're probably going

947
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 3: to be off schedule scrambles rather than necessarily a planned run.

948
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 3: But you got to have that element there to scare

949
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 3: the b Jesus side of the defense.

950
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 5: The week prior, he was your leading rusher with forty

951
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 5: five of your team seventy seven yards. This week against Washington,

952
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 5: Kyler Murray had just one carry for three yards. You

953
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 5: need to find middle ground there. It can't be one

954
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 5: way or the other. You need to find something consistent

955
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 5: where Murray's using his legs in a way that he

956
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 5: feels comfortable, like he's not being the superhero, which he's

957
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 5: may clear he doesn't want to be. You just need more.

958
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: And the other thing is is just basically on defense.

959
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you just you can't get run over. I'm

960
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: not saying they're gonna shut down the running game and

961
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: Jordan Mason, but you just can't get run over. You

962
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: give up some points, okay, but you got to get

963
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: a handful of stops in this game and give your

964
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: offense a chance. And then it's on the offense to

965
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: do it. But I'm like, you've got to give them something.

966
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 4: Kennon had mentioned that the Cardinals dressed five defensive linemen

967
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 4: for the Washington game. I'm gonna presume they dress six.

968
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: Wouldn't be surprised, and they use a lot of those guys,

969
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 4: you know, maybe four d linemen down fronts. When I

970
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 4: mean he mentioned we got to figure it out. He

971
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 4: said it after the game, he said it to the

972
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 4: media during the week. Got to figure out how to

973
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 4: stop the run. So, all right, you don't have a

974
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 4: lot of options personnel wise, other than somehow miraculously Darius

975
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 4: Robinson walking through that door. So if it isn't personnel,

976
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 4: then I'm guessing its scheme and there's got to be

977
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 4: some adjustments you would presume, especially against the Niners team.

978
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 4: And then you know, other than that, other than maybe

979
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 4: do some of the rookies get more time?

980
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: You know?

981
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 4: Do you see and this has nothing to do with

982
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 4: run defense, but you see more Max Melton in this game?

983
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 4: Do you see maybe a debut of Rabbit? You know,

984
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 4: he was a seek and destroy guy. Do you unleash

985
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 4: him in certain packages as a run stuff or sort

986
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 4: of a Buddha type when Buddha asked fourteen tackles, what

987
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 4: if you had another guy out there was able to

988
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 4: go sideline to sideline like that?

989
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 5: Who are you taking off the field?

990
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

991
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 4: It's I mean Jalen Thompson played one hundred percent of

992
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 4: the snaps. So yeah, where exactly you fit? I mean,

993
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 4: I think that's a good question unless a Garrett Williams

994
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 4: goes outside and Max Melton is is the other outside corner,

995
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, you'r slot either becomes

996
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 4: Sean Murphy Bunting who was in the slot for most

997
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 4: of his career, and or a Rabbit for run stuff

998
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 4: stopping purposes openly an extra Jaen speculator or a Jalen

999
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 4: Thompson who's played slot.

1000
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 3: You know, it's a good question.

1001
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 4: It just makes you wonder when they say, okay, tweaks

1002
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 4: and adjustments, we'll see where does that come, you know,

1003
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 4: and how does that prove to be so okay?

1004
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: All right, Paul, I know that you love you love

1005
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 3: the fans out there, and we've actually it feels like

1006
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: we're getting more and more people reaching out and saying

1007
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: that they listen to this, which is nice to hear.

1008
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 5: I when I was at idn't tell you this story, Paul.

1009
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 5: Not this home game. I guess the home game prior

1010
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 5: against Detroit. When I was in line to go down

1011
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 5: the elevator to go down the fields, a worker told

1012
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 5: me that he likes to listen to our podcast. So

1013
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 5: appreciate everybody listening.

1014
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: Here we go, but we got a question. It was

1015
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: sent to the mail bag, but the person asked said,

1016
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: you Paul and Danny ranked collectively. Now, Danny's not gonna

1017
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: be able to do this because she wasn't around for

1018
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 3: some of these guys, but whatever, just go. Can you

1019
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 3: collectively rank the following in terms of sheer imposing human mass.

1020
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: What Leonard Davis, Mikey Potty, Deuce Latui, Lucky Fotu, will

1021
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: Hernandez Dan, William Dana Can Alameda to Amu. Wow, those

1022
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 3: are really good. Selections, are good? I get a quick

1023
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 3: Alameda to Amus story. He was a run stuffing defensive tackle.

1024
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 3: I don't know, two thousand and.

1025
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 4: Sixteen fifteen sounds right, yeah, somewhere there.

1026
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 3: Okay, the Cardinals were having a media day and in

1027
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: those days we didn't have a team photographer or so

1028
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: I was in there taking pictures and going around and

1029
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 3: Larry Fitzgerald was going slow, and we also didn't have

1030
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 3: a ton of people helping to get them from station

1031
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: to station, and Larry was taking a sweet time and

1032
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: he needed to go faster. So I was tasked with

1033
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 3: going over and kind of moving Larry a little faster

1034
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: than what he was doing. Right, And he had just

1035
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 3: taken some pictures sitting down for somebody, and Alameda Tamu

1036
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 3: was right after that, and so we're walking away, and

1037
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: you know, Larry had the penant for tackling people and

1038
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 3: bringing him to the ground. Okay, And I don't know

1039
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: what Larry was doing, but we're walking I'm like, hey,

1040
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 3: you kind of have to kind of keep going over here,

1041
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 3: and he puts his arm around my shoulder, which if

1042
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 3: you actually are seeing, we had a photographer there that

1043
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 3: actually took this picture of me walking with him, and

1044
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 3: the actual conversation going on while we're walking is he

1045
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: had actually just said to me, have you ever tried

1046
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: to tackle Alameda Tamu? And I'm like, no, Larry, why

1047
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: why would I try and tackle? Well, it's really hard

1048
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 3: to do, and I'm like, yeah, thanks, thanks for that.

1049
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 3: I The guy was like six four three sixty, Yeah,

1050
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 3: I understand.

1051
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 4: Okay, So there are two names on this well, there's

1052
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 4: one name it should be on this list, and another

1053
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 4: name it is und.

1054
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 3: Say anybody you miss, So if we're missing somebody, please

1055
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 3: throw it in there.

1056
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 4: So Larry tried both of these guys and lost badly.

1057
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 4: One name not on the list Corey Peters. He's not

1058
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 4: quite in the Tamu or Deuce Latui or potty category,

1059
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 4: but he was also a champion wrestler heavyweight champion wrestler.

1060
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 3: Larry lost badly in that one. But this isn't This

1061
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: isn't a Larry tackling.

1062
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 4: No. He also tried Dan Williams at a charity event.

1063
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 4: I saw behind the scenes he tried to bowl Rush

1064
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 4: Dan the can bad move. Larry lost that one in

1065
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 4: a tremendous fashion as well.

1066
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 3: You're almost throwing out Red Bryant, who is a defense

1067
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 3: ven or defensive tackling. He was a big boy. I

1068
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 3: got to say, on this list, there's some big dudes.

1069
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: Leonard Leonard Davis. Between his height and his just massive mass,

1070
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: I think I would probably still have him one. So

1071
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 3: I just looked it up.

1072
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 4: You know, in physics, mass equals density times volume, where

1073
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 4: M represents mass, de represents density, V represents Okay.

1074
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 6: So.

1075
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 3: So uh.

1076
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 5: I did not like a your honors physics and you

1077
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 5: took honors physics. I did. I had to build a

1078
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 5: bridge out of paper and color.

1079
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: You couldn't have paid me enough to take an honors

1080
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 3: class like that.

1081
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 5: But I think I cried every week.

1082
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 4: I'd love to disagree with you, because I enjoyed disagreeing

1083
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 4: with Darren. But Leonard Davis for both, you know, in

1084
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 4: terms of horizontal and vertical, yeah, Leonard Davis would probably,

1085
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 4: I don't get me wrong.

1086
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 3: All these other men. Mikey Potty was a giant man.

1087
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 4: Uh, it's funny because on The Big Red Rage, l J.

1088
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 4: Coller told a story of running into Kalais Campbell in

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Speaker 4: the off season, and this is l J. Collier said,

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Speaker 4: the biggest dude I've ever met. That guy is enormous.

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Speaker 3: And for LJ. Collier to say that, you know what

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Speaker 3: Clais is, but see, clais is more tall than like

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Speaker 3: he just he looks like he could be a power

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Speaker 3: forward in a lot of ways. My favorite, by the way,

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Speaker 3: had another good game last night for Miami, Yes he did.

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Speaker 4: My favorite Claius moment was when the Suns came to

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Speaker 4: Cardinals camp and Claius was looking straight up at Tyson

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Speaker 4: Chandler at seven foot one. See class there. That's what

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Speaker 4: happens to guys like you and you got to meet

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Speaker 4: up at seven footer.

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Speaker 3: Finally, So we didn't have a full ranking, but I

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Speaker 3: would think Leonard Davis and Mike you Potty would be

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Speaker 3: tops on my list. Probably.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, good question though, it really is they somebody

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Speaker 4: put a lot of research into.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, if you want to send me some for

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Speaker 3: the podcast, feel free.

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Speaker 4: That would be the all dense team right there.

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Speaker 3: Density between be careful, you don't want to be insulting

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Speaker 3: their intelligence.

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Speaker 4: But the D and D lineman stands for density, so

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Speaker 4: we'll throw that out there.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: Uh so, I'm O and four appreciate that. But uh

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Speaker 4: once again we are giving some valuable advice. I'm not

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Speaker 4: taking Seattle in this week's picks based on the whole

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Speaker 4: Detroit track.

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Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, Olmo did throw in there

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Speaker 3: before we get out of here, that the next time

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals play the forty nine ers at the end

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Speaker 3: of the season, when it's they come here, the forty

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Speaker 3: nine ers play on Monday night the Detroit ns MM. Interesting.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, that'll do it for this edition of

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