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Speaker 1: Welcome to Giants Top one hundred Players, presented by bud Light.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna look at players seventy one through eighty on

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Speaker 1: the top one hundred in the history of the New

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Speaker 1: York Football Giants. I'm Bob Papa, joined by one of

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Speaker 1: the voters, Gary Myers. Let's explain how we got to

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Speaker 1: this process. We selected an independent Blue ribbon panel made

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Speaker 1: up of Hall of Fame voters like Gary, league officials,

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Speaker 1: historians to take a look at all of the men

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Speaker 1: who have played for the New York Giants in the

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Speaker 1: ninety nine years of Giants football, and we've come up

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Speaker 1: with the list of the top one hundred and Gary,

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Speaker 1: it was a fun exercise, and we've got Pepper Johnson

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Speaker 1: and Jeff Hosteedler part of this group with us. But

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Speaker 1: it was really kind of cool going through the Giants history,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: It really was.

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Speaker 3: And you know, with these two guys, you know I

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Speaker 3: was around them a lot during their Giant careers.

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Speaker 4: They each have two Super Bowl rings.

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Speaker 3: You know, when it came time to vote, no question,

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Speaker 3: these guys are going to be on my list.

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Speaker 1: Jeff, you come in on the list at number seventy

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Speaker 1: nine in the top one hundred of all time. What

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Speaker 1: was the thing that hit you most when you found

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Speaker 1: out that you had made this list?

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Speaker 4: Well, I was kind of speechless.

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Speaker 5: You know, to be part of this one hundred is

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Speaker 5: really really special because it's such an amazing group of

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Speaker 5: talented football players, but it spans this organization that's top

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Speaker 5: of the line, So to be part of that is

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Speaker 6: Oh that good.

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Speaker 3: You know, Jeff had that one month of the playoffs

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Speaker 3: in Super Bowl change your life.

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Speaker 5: Well, six weeks earlier before that Super Bowl, I'd had it,

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Speaker 5: you know, seven years had been waiting and the frustration

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Speaker 5: had just been boiling over, and I knew I could play,

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Speaker 5: and I had a couple opportunities earlier in the season.

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Speaker 5: Brought us back against the Cardinals and win one at

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Speaker 5: the very end, and then parcels out of the blue

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Speaker 5: while we were playing the Cowboys threw me in game

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Speaker 5: still on the line, it was testing me and threw

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Speaker 5: me in were able to drive down. I think I

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Speaker 5: scored on a scramble and I thought, wow, you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm finally getting the opportunity. And then it just disappeared.

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Speaker 5: And that Wednesday before the Bill's regular season game, I

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Speaker 5: just told my wife. I said, that's it. I'm done

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Speaker 5: at the end of the season. I can't do it anymore.

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Speaker 5: And I was just frustrated. And six weeks later, I'm

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Speaker 5: standing at a podium with two of my sons and

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Speaker 5: my pregnant wife having just won the Super Bowl. So,

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Speaker 5: you know, it changed a lot of things. It changed,

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Speaker 5: you know, the confidence level as far as you knew

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Speaker 5: you could do it, you thought you could do it,

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Speaker 5: but until you actually go out and do it. And

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Speaker 5: then mister Mahra at the time, you know, I was

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Speaker 5: thrilled to be able to be part of winning the

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl for him, but he was absolutely thrilled for

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Speaker 5: me and to see me reap the benefits of being

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Speaker 5: patient and persevering through that time, that was huge. So

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Speaker 5: there's only thirty four guys that could say they quarterback

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Speaker 5: to a super Bowl winning team and that's a pretty

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Speaker 5: small group to be part of. So I'm privileged to

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Speaker 5: be part of that. Again, that just wasn't me. That

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Speaker 5: was this whole team, and this whole team rallying around

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Speaker 5: and people remember super Bowls and especially giant super Bowls,

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Speaker 5: So to be one of the guys that have quarterbacked

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Speaker 5: a Giant Super Bowl team is pretty special, and I've

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Speaker 5: been real.

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Speaker 1: Blessed Pepper Johnson at number seventy five on this list. Pepper,

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Speaker 1: you were pretty surprised because you were kind of looking

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Speaker 1: at it entire history of the Giants. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: broke into a room that had Lawrence Taylor and Harry

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Speaker 1: Carson and Carl Banks and a lot of other good linebackers.

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Speaker 1: To be considered one of those has to be pretty special.

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Speaker 6: Yes, well, Jeff kind of took the words out of

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Speaker 6: my mouth. You know, I was shocked. You know, being

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Speaker 6: a part of the history of the Giants and in

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Speaker 6: the top one hundred was an honor and the privilege.

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Speaker 2: That kind of was a little.

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Speaker 6: Speechless when I got the news. But I was that

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Speaker 6: guy that I prayed and I wanted to be drafted

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Speaker 6: by the Giants because I wanted to be a part

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Speaker 6: of that linebacker crew because just watching from Afar, that

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Speaker 6: stayed together, played well together, and the Giants has kept

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Speaker 1: So Jeff Pepper's looking at it like, all right, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna have four on the field. Sometimes they'll rotate guys

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Speaker 1: in and out based on what they do well. You

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Speaker 1: get drafted. Where am I gonna go other than maybe

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Speaker 1: a gun or on punts stuff that, Hey, I did it,

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Speaker 1: I know, and did everything I could.

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Speaker 5: I ran the ball, caught a pass, blocked a punt

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Speaker 5: before I ever threw one in the NFL. I was

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Speaker 5: trying everything I could to get out on the field.

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Speaker 5: I was behind a guy that you know, Phil was

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Speaker 5: He was throwing the heck out of the ball and

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Speaker 5: playing really really well, and you know, wasn't a chance

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Speaker 5: to go anywhere else to play, and so I wanted

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Speaker 5: to get out on the field, but I just didn't

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Speaker 5: have the opportunities. And so, you know, that was a

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Speaker 5: frustrating time in my career. And you think about seven years.

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Speaker 5: Seven years is a long long time and then all

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Speaker 5: of a sudden the opportunity arises and then be able

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Speaker 5: to take advantage of it. That's pretty special. And to

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Speaker 5: be one of three guys that can say they quarterback

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Speaker 5: especially with this organization.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a great photo at the stadium for

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Speaker 1: a charitable event of you Phil and Eli the only

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Speaker 1: three Super Bowl winning quarterbacks. How important was it? Carl

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Speaker 1: Banks likes to tell this story, and Pepper, I know

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Speaker 1: you agree, and a lot of other guys they practiced

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Speaker 1: in today's world, all the quarterback goes down, it's like,

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Speaker 1: oh man, we're done. Season's over. I remember Carl telling

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Speaker 1: me at the time, we're going to be fine. The

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Speaker 1: fact that your teammates had your back and believed in

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Speaker 5: You, well, I got chills all over because that's that's

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Speaker 5: what That's what happened. I mean, whenever Phil went down,

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Speaker 5: you know, we had lost three out of four games,

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Speaker 5: everybody jumped off the bandwagon, and I was the weak link.

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Speaker 5: They said it couldn't be done. Pepper, I don't know

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Speaker 5: if you remember him and Big Dog William Roberts, they

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Speaker 5: they say it can't be done. They couldn't be done.

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Speaker 5: He can't do it, you know, And it was it

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Speaker 5: was never that way in the locker room. Each one

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Speaker 5: of those guys, especially this linebacker group, I mean those

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Speaker 7: A lot of guys was kept, you know, thinking that

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Speaker 7: has win gonna do it. A backup quarterback, big game,

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Speaker 7: you haven't never been in this type of situation. He

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Speaker 7: was like our secret weapon.

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Speaker 5: I just felt that they had confidence in me, and

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Speaker 5: each one of my teammates was really genuinely happy that

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Speaker 5: I had the opportunity, and I think they believed and

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Speaker 5: knew that I could get the job done through practicing

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Speaker 4: You know, Jeff, I want to tell you a story.

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Speaker 3: Over the years, I've talked to Phil a lot and

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Speaker 3: about the Hall of Fame, and I said, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you hadn't gotten hurt and you had been the

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Speaker 3: probably be in the Hall of Fame by now. And

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Speaker 3: he says, don't take for granted that if I had

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Speaker 3: played straight through that I could have done what Jeff did.

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Speaker 3: Because his mobility helped win the games against San Francisco

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Speaker 3: how does that make you feel that he's saying, well, listen,

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Speaker 3: if I had played, we might not have won because

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Speaker 3: what Jeff's strengths were really played into what we needed

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Speaker 5: That's that means an awful lot. I mean, I'd never

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Speaker 5: heard that, and you know, that's.

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Speaker 4: A huge compliment.

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Speaker 5: And Parcels paid me a huge compliment years after, and

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Speaker 5: I solemony. He just said, people don't realize how difficult

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Speaker 5: a position that you were in and how difficult a

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Speaker 5: job that you did and accomplished. Be able to help

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Speaker 5: lead your team into a victory in the super Bowl,

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Speaker 5: And just to hear those things after was pretty special.

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Speaker 5: But it really all started inside that locker room because

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Speaker 5: when Phil went down, you know, guys were upset for Phil,

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Speaker 5: but they were really happy for me for the opportunity

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Speaker 5: and guys knew that, you know, we were gonna be okay.

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Speaker 5: And for me to see that in the confidence, you know,

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Speaker 5: especially guys like Pepper and Big Dog, you know, I

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Speaker 5: mean that meant an awful lot.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Big Dog, he's number eighty on the list,

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Speaker 1: a two time Super Bowl champion like you guys, Let's

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about William Roberts, the teammate and

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Speaker 1: the player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, him and Carl Banks.

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Speaker 6: I had a relationship with those guys before I even

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Speaker 2: Carl just being that guy. You know. We both from

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Speaker 6: And Willne Roberts was actually my host on my visit

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Speaker 6: I got to play with him in college and then

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Speaker 6: you know, come to the Giants and it was beautiful.

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Speaker 6: Then of course he took me in because back then

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Speaker 6: we were all scared, like I didn't know if I

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Speaker 6: was going to make the team or not. Now, everybody

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Speaker 6: tell me, Pepper, that's ridiculous, you second round draft pick,

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Speaker 6: you know you was on the team.

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Speaker 2: I was like, no. Parcelles told us the rookies.

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Speaker 6: In the room, the Giants was like a train and

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Speaker 6: we're already moving that. He don't need any of us

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Speaker 6: that was in the room. It's our job to run

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Speaker 6: jump on board. And if you don't know how to

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Speaker 6: keep this train running, you know, because we have people

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Speaker 6: but Wienn Roberts. Going back to wi Roberts, what he

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Speaker 6: did he took me in. I stayed with William. I

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Speaker 6: stayed with him until I ended up finding me a place.

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Speaker 6: So that's my big bro. And you know, he took

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Speaker 6: care of me in that aspect. So I am very

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Speaker 6: very happy to see him, you know, be a part

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Speaker 6: of this group as much as I am.

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Speaker 5: And that was a duo too, those two. Yeah, and

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Speaker 5: just team wise because of of their demeanor. You know,

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Speaker 5: Pepper he's always got a smile, always got it, and

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Speaker 5: he's got that laugh, an infectious laugh, you know. And

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Speaker 5: and William Man, he just he was always upbeat, he

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Speaker 5: was loud, he was boisterous, he was he would joke around.

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Speaker 5: You know, you just needed guys like that because they

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Speaker 5: kept a little bit more of the focus on trying

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Speaker 5: to have some fun, you know. And uh, I think

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Speaker 5: that's that's really valuable.

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Speaker 4: Did you ever give them a hard time? Dance midfield?

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Speaker 6: Well part Sales told us a no celebrating until confetti.

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Speaker 2: So would you guys call that dance stump and grind?

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Speaker 2: That was William, It's all William. He showed me that.

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Speaker 6: And and I kind of like gave a little sneak

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Speaker 2: I should have scored.

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Speaker 1: As Pepper Johnson.

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Speaker 6: Johnson inside the fifteen, Pepper Johnson down.

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Speaker 2: To the five.

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Speaker 6: I let a quarterback tackle, you know off Jeff tackleby.

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Speaker 2: That's a whole different piece. I think I told you

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Speaker 1: That's a step I haven't seen before.

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Speaker 2: I like that one. I think about Pepper. He doesn't

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Speaker 6: I was so happy interception the playoffs as a rookie.

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Speaker 6: Gary just he he wanted to hit everything that was moving.

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Speaker 1: La, watch the clown, big one.

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Speaker 2: He's having trouble. I think he's been here.

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Speaker 1: Those a fourth down, that's the goal line, about a

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Speaker 2: They died stopped.

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Speaker 6: The Giants broke through Garry Reason's great play by Garry

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Speaker 2: He came through by three yards into the ends out

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Speaker 6: It was things like that that he brought to the table,

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Speaker 1: Jeff, what about Gary as a teammate and making this list.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think back of the forty nine

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Speaker 1: Fake punt and it's gonna work. It's reasons Raisins streaking

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Speaker 4: Five first down, and much much more.

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Speaker 5: That's the call they needed, That's the play they needed.

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Speaker 2: They needed something to get him out of this.

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Speaker 4: Bill Parcells came.

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Speaker 2: Up with it.

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Speaker 5: It was pointing that I have no idea, no idea.

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Speaker 2: He was pointing, like this guy, that guy gonna turn around.

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Speaker 1: Walter Payton.

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Speaker 3: YEA, wo nice find out that there were forty nine

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Speaker 4: Because I talked to Gary about this not that long ago.

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Speaker 3: the look, go ahead and run it. It hit him

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's you know, you come out. That was

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Speaker 4: Thirty yards longest run of the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you about another guy that was a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a big asset. Funny story though, you know, I

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Speaker 4: And that's what it was.

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Speaker 6: It stood on the ground and look out could be

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Speaker 1: Number seventy one on this list is Antonio Pierce and

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 6: I've heard a lot I met ap Unfortunately I wasn't

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Speaker 6: So he was to me, he was really representing us,

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Speaker 4: He rutted it for a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: You know, Bob, all the guys have covered on the

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Speaker 3: He would have been right at the top of the

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Speaker 3: Just very insightful with his football knowledge and a real

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Speaker 4: Six six.

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Speaker 4: Great Glot's right, great Glit's white.

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Speaker 3: And the fact that he's become a head coach in

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Speaker 1: It well and his football iq. The Giants do not

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Speaker 1: Championship game near the end of the first half, Farv

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Speaker 1: And look what he's got out in front of him.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: Rusher and fourteen games too.

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Speaker 2: He was that good.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite Giants is a kid is number

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Speaker 1: seventy seven. John Mendenhall seventy seven on this list, number

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Speaker 3: John Mendenhall could have played on your guys teams because

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Speaker 3: Don Chandler first few years of his career, he was

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Speaker 5: I think it's pretty pretty amazing though, those players and

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Speaker 5: It's tough to win a super Bowl. It's tough to

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Speaker 1: You got two rings and now forever you're once a Giant,

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Speaker 1: always a Giant, one of the top one hundred Giants

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you.

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