WEBVTT - I Choose...Leslie Grossman

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi, everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the I Choose Me Podcast. This podcast is

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<v Speaker 1>all about the choices we make and where they lead us.

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<v Speaker 1>So today we're going to talk to someone very exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>My guest is an actress that is literally on two

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest Netflix shows right now, Monsters The Lyle

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<v Speaker 1>and Eric Meninda Story and Nobody wants this. You know

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<v Speaker 1>her from her roles in popular niptok multiple seasons of

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<v Speaker 1>American Horror Story, but I know her from our days

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. What I like about you? Please welcome

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<v Speaker 1>Leslie Grossman to the I Choose Me Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not as happy as me. We just saw each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Happenstance brought us together in an airport. I have no

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<v Speaker 1>idea what city we were in, New York, Okay, New York. Great.

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<v Speaker 1>We had been on the same flight and we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't understand how I didn't see you like

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't actually make any sense And also really the

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<v Speaker 2>scariest thing that can happen happen where I'm standing there

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<v Speaker 2>and I heard my name, Leslie, and you just don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what you're turning into when you turn. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was so happy it was you and I got to

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<v Speaker 2>see Lola who you know that to me like I

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<v Speaker 2>could cry and thinking about it, just because you would

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<v Speaker 2>bring Lola to work when she was an infant and

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<v Speaker 2>then a toddler. And she's the most beautiful baby and

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<v Speaker 2>is now the most like stunning ethereal Like, ah, thank you, Angel,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean she really her whole vibe. She's like an angel.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy to see you too.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like a doll face. And you just have you

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<v Speaker 2>have the best girls, the nicest girls. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter and your daughter are friendly, which is so

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<v Speaker 2>cute because they totally did that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know your Goldie is friends with my Fiona. They're

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<v Speaker 1>both about the same age. And how did these kids

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<v Speaker 1>these days know each other without anybody else involved, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's the social me.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it is. It's My daughter knows every single

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<v Speaker 2>child her age in her grade, freshman in college, the

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<v Speaker 2>year below.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like they only in every school, That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's so crazy is I'm from Los Angeles. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew everyone in my grade and like two kids from

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<v Speaker 2>another school now everybody knows everybody, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>is horrible, But then I think it's all so cute

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<v Speaker 2>and it's exactly why they're friends. So I aspect I

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<v Speaker 2>support that.

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<v Speaker 1>I can you imagine having to know everybody in all

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<v Speaker 1>the places.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard enough to be a teenager and to be

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<v Speaker 2>a girl, and then having all that whatever, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>different story for another time. Anyway, it's so nice to

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<v Speaker 2>see you, and it was so fun to get to

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<v Speaker 2>run into you. And you also look like so beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>coming off this like fly. I was like, that's annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you look so fresh?

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<v Speaker 1>Stop it? I was wearing a big hat, that's why.

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<v Speaker 2>So cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, you dropped a bomb on me right there in

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<v Speaker 1>the airport baggage claim, Yes, and you told me. Can

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<v Speaker 1>I say, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What's funny is I actually have not spoken about it yet,

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<v Speaker 2>But you can say.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to. I don't want to ru ruin

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<v Speaker 1>your moment.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys say, no, I am engaged, which is so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Now are engaged?

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<v Speaker 2>I am. So that's a wild thing that I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see coming nothing. I didn't see it coming with this person.

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't see any of this next chapter of

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<v Speaker 2>my life coming and you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Who does though, Oh my god, I'm so happy for you.

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<v Speaker 2>So sweet, thank you. I'm happy for me too. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a wonderful person. And it's funny that this is the

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<v Speaker 2>first time I'm talking about it publicly general and it's

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<v Speaker 2>so funny because I've known you for many many years,

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<v Speaker 2>you know me and my earlier iteration, so that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we get to see each other how we are now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's a trip to be the age that

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<v Speaker 2>I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes and me, but this is like the best ever

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<v Speaker 1>start to this amazing second chapter of your life, because

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to be an empty nester before you know it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not you were smart because you had

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<v Speaker 2>three kids, laid the pain. You delayed the pain like

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<v Speaker 2>I only have one. It's going to be hard and terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's so annoying to her because I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just like, we'll be having dinner and I'll just stare

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<v Speaker 2>at her and she's like, could you stop staring at me?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, I'm just trying to drink you in.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I can't imagine having you as a mom.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be laughing all the time. At you, not

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<v Speaker 1>with you, at you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I think Goldie would agree with that. There

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot laughing at me. That is fair, But

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know what I was thinking. You know, when

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<v Speaker 2>they're little and it's so hard, like you're in it

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like four, and you have so much going

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<v Speaker 2>on and you're so tired, and you're like, I won't

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<v Speaker 2>make it to bedtime today. I pay so much money.

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<v Speaker 2>One hour with Goldie at four years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I say that all the time. I

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<v Speaker 1>would rather go back to the diapers and a heartbeat.

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<v Speaker 2>A heart beat and every cliche that everyone says. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is the truth. It's like, what she's

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter's about to be eighteen next month, Like what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Look, you sent me that picture. Jenny sent

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<v Speaker 2>me a picture took Goldie over. I mean they were

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, six months old, nine months. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>tell from that picture they were infants. And I remember

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<v Speaker 2>that day that felt like fifteen minutes ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, we're just sitting on the couch holding our

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<v Speaker 1>babies on.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember going to your house and it was so

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<v Speaker 2>cute and they were all playing together, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>Lola was reading to us, like I remember it so clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also remember looking at Lola and being like, god,

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<v Speaker 2>Goldie will when is Goldie ever going to be that age?

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<v Speaker 2>That seems like one hundred years.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Goldie's texting me like I won't be home for

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<v Speaker 2>dinner and who knows when you'll see me.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it's such a trip. It's such parentoed. Motherhood

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<v Speaker 1>is such a trip.

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<v Speaker 2>That is it is? Anyway, Yes, it is a very

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<v Speaker 2>lucky and wonderful next chapter. But I mean, look, my

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<v Speaker 2>whole life got reorganized around my fiftieth birthday and everything

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<v Speaker 2>got thrown up into the air and it sort of

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<v Speaker 2>fell to the ground. And I was like very intense

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<v Speaker 2>about deciding what I was going to pick up and

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<v Speaker 2>what I was going to That doesn't come with me anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So at fifty, that's when you got a divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I yeah, I mean I guess we broke up

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<v Speaker 2>when I was forty eight, forty nine ish, but fifty,

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<v Speaker 2>a few things happened. And I don't want to like

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<v Speaker 2>get too intense right away. And you didn't even ask this,

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<v Speaker 2>but with a very short span I was married for

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<v Speaker 2>almost twenty one years, that ended. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know this, kids love it

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<v Speaker 2>when you get divorced.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait what, Oh, I don't know if you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you don't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it in certain circumstances. I think I know

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<v Speaker 1>what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my daughter did not love it. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>also the first month of the pandemic shut down and

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<v Speaker 2>she was thirteen years old, so the timing of it

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<v Speaker 2>was as bad as it could have been. And then

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<v Speaker 2>pretty shortly after that, and this is really like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really getting dark. Sister in law died. This was my

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<v Speaker 2>brother's wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Died so close you were, she was my sister.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's devastating in ways because when it's out

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<v Speaker 2>of war death than a young person who should never

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<v Speaker 2>have died from a terrible illness and they have young parents,

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<v Speaker 2>just awful. But you know, you have a choice. And

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<v Speaker 2>when all of this stuff happens, I just decided that

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to have to be brave. That I

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't been brave in the past, and I regretted that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I decided I was going to be brave, and

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like I had a very hard reset. And

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<v Speaker 2>also for my sister in law. She would have been like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing? Get up, go do something amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>like get it going. So she was actually like an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible motivator for this next phase of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that that you are able to take, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>losing her and turn that into something that motivates you.

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<v Speaker 1>And that like the connection didn't end just because she died.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't happen immediately. I mean you have to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>There was where I was like at the depths of

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<v Speaker 2>going through the divorce, Oh my god, and it was like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to look from a car crash to like

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<v Speaker 2>someone getting murdered in front. It was just a rough,

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<v Speaker 2>rough period. But you know what I have to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I had the greatest support from my family and friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't have had more support, but amazing therapist and

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<v Speaker 2>the therapist. Even with all that support from everybody else

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<v Speaker 2>around me, it was my therapist too pretty much saved

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<v Speaker 2>my life, who was like, yeah, you're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>get up now, like we're done and now you go

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<v Speaker 2>got to get up.

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<v Speaker 1>And now wait, how long have you been seeing this therapist.

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<v Speaker 2>For so long? I love her?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, can you text me her?

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<v Speaker 2>Name. Oh my god, she's so brilliant. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say have been seeing her for the better part

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty years and not consistently. But what's so nice

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<v Speaker 2>about that is she knows me from right and have

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<v Speaker 2>a long time ago. But she was incredibly helpful. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I just really launched.

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<v Speaker 1>Into this and now, okay, so thank you for being

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. Bye bye.

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<v Speaker 2>I've covered death, divorce, my therapist, my daughter in college.

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<v Speaker 2>What else do you want to get into you?

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<v Speaker 1>This is what it's like when we talk though, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm right back on the set with you immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah blah blah. We just go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just sometimes I like to start the beginning because

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<v Speaker 1>I like to get to know you, and I like

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<v Speaker 1>everybody that's listening to get to know you from the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning a little bit. So let's rewind for just a second.

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<v Speaker 1>You grew up in La ye, did you always want

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<v Speaker 1>to be an actress?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think it was something that always appealed

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<v Speaker 2>to me. You have to understand, I grew up in

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<v Speaker 2>a very nerdy Jewish family and sell me, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>my parents were like intellectual dorsay that with all the

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<v Speaker 2>love in the world, like just not had no interest

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<v Speaker 2>in pop culture, didn't know anything. Like I always knew

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<v Speaker 2>somebody was enormously famous. If my mother knew who they were,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, this has gotten to my mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Which means is like a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly. I was not allowed to watch television, Like

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<v Speaker 2>the only stuff we watched was like Walter Cronkite and

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<v Speaker 2>election returns and you know, things like that. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was they sort of assumed, well, you'll go be an attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>or you'll be an architect, or you'll be a social

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<v Speaker 2>worker or a rabbi, which is what my mother begged

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<v Speaker 2>me to do when I told her I was officially

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<v Speaker 2>going to try to be an actor, with tears in

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<v Speaker 2>her eyes, M he's try to be a rabbi. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like performing just.

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<v Speaker 1>Because kind of yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a thought in my head, but not

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<v Speaker 2>something I thought was a possibility or realistic. Nobody in

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<v Speaker 2>my family was in the business. It was an attorney

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<v Speaker 2>who worked in some ways sometimes with entertainment, but he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in the business in any way. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>had a very normal upbringing. So but they shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>brought me up the Los Angeles and sent me a crossroads.

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<v Speaker 2>It's their fault, that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Their mistake, right, Okay, I know, I know you've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this before, and I know I know about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know if you're comfortable talking about that

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<v Speaker 1>you were adopted.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, oh yeah. It's my favorite thing to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about because.

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<v Speaker 1>When you talk about it, because you ended up with

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<v Speaker 1>the most beautiful, perfect situation and your life just was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just because everyone out there so much hope

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<v Speaker 1>because you were adopted out of foster care. Right I was,

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<v Speaker 1>And how old were you?

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<v Speaker 2>I was only ten weeks old, so it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 2>I spent a long time. But look, I was in

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<v Speaker 2>foster care in La County in the early seventies. It

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<v Speaker 2>was not like it is today. There was no private

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<v Speaker 2>adoption then. But you know, first of all, November which

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<v Speaker 2>is coming up as National Adoption Month, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>always like to talk about the stuff. So I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you brought it up. But the reason I like to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it is, you know, particularly when I was

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<v Speaker 2>growing up, adoption was discussed in this like very modeling,

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<v Speaker 2>sad way, and you know, there was this book and

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<v Speaker 2>look don't come at me. I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 2>your emails about this. If it helped you, great God bless.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was a book that came out many, many

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<v Speaker 2>years ago called The Adoption Wound, and the book essentially states,

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<v Speaker 2>you're fucked if you're adopted, you're a mess. You got

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<v Speaker 2>this horrible hole in your heart. It'll never be filled,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's why you have all these problems and you

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<v Speaker 2>can blame everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And wait, wait, wait, was the book trying to help

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<v Speaker 1>you or just label you? I think it was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to help you, but it didn't help you.

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<v Speaker 2>It never that never resonated with me. I never had

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<v Speaker 2>a moment where I looked in the mirror and felt

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<v Speaker 2>like there's something missing. You know. It's very funny, Jenny,

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<v Speaker 2>my birth family found me on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>Really I was going to ask you if you'd ever

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<v Speaker 1>dug in there.

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<v Speaker 2>It did and it was my birth sister's daughter. So

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<v Speaker 2>my birth niece, I guess is what you would call.

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<v Speaker 2>Her message me on Instagram and was like, Hi, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you are my mom's sister. And you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>went and got DNA tests and she was, in fact

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<v Speaker 2>my sister and I have met her and we are

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<v Speaker 2>in contact, and I have to say she is the

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<v Speaker 2>loveliest person. She is so nice, she has wonderful daughters,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a grandmother like she is fantastic, and I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>happy to have met her. But I didn't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>and this is not I'm sure she probably felt the

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<v Speaker 2>same way about me. I didn't feel like, now I

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<v Speaker 2>get it and I and this hole has been filled.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like, this is a very nice person who's

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<v Speaker 2>a stranger to me, who we have incredible connection. That

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<v Speaker 2>means something, and I think that's great, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>only the best of feelings about her. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my family's my family, so and then you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>adopted my daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>So it did Oh my god, Okay stop for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>One day we were at work and you didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a baby, and then one day you came and you

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<v Speaker 1>had a baby. I was like, what is happening? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems so fast for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't fast for me too, Jenny. That was so Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a very ridiculous thing where we actually found

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<v Speaker 2>out about her the day that she was born, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was in our home the next day. It was wild.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>The circumstances were bananas in very very last minute and overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm the kind of person that like when I

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<v Speaker 2>get like a new handbag first, so I researched that

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<v Speaker 2>handbag for like about six months. Then when I get it,

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<v Speaker 2>I like leave it in my closet to get used

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<v Speaker 2>to the new environment and like make sure it's comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>with all its friends. Like that's a handbag a child,

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<v Speaker 2>like with no warning.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're saying you're a planner, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit of a planner. And speaking of my

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<v Speaker 2>sister in law, what she did was I have a

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<v Speaker 2>niece who's three years older than my daughter. My sister

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<v Speaker 2>in law stayed up all night long washing all her

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<v Speaker 2>baby clothes, getting her bass and out ready, and the

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<v Speaker 2>next day I literally had everything I basically needed to

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<v Speaker 2>have a newborn baby in the house. So it was

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<v Speaker 2>a complete last minute surprise, ridiculous thing. That is like

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<v Speaker 2>the best thing that's ever happened. And if you know

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter, I mean she was meant to be my lady.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's very goldie. It's very cool to be adopted

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<v Speaker 2>and adopt I love that I get to have that

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<v Speaker 2>full circle.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really really powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>It is and also you know, it's so funny because

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<v Speaker 2>I've met so many people that have like fertility issues

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and they'll just say to me, adoption is

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<v Speaker 2>not an option. They're like, it's just it's too unknown

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<v Speaker 2>for me. And I'm comfortable, and I don't know. Somebody

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<v Speaker 2>once said to me, I'll never forget it. They were like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you just you don't know what you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get, as if having your own biological child, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what you're going to get. Did Jeffrey Dahmer's parents

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<v Speaker 2>know what they were going to get? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Good point.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just such a ridiculous thing to me. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not like a hyper religious person, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>think it's sort of like the closest thing I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>experienced to a religious experience is having that connection with

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<v Speaker 2>a person who is not that didn't come from my body,

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<v Speaker 2>but feels so much like my person.

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<v Speaker 1>So you too, are so alike, it's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>He hates hearing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I mean, I hate to look completely

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<v Speaker 1>the same like you look like you gave birth to her.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that crazy? And the funny thing is that I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have cared whatever you know, my kid ended up

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<v Speaker 2>looking like I had no preference. I didn't care. This

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<v Speaker 2>just literally she kind of fell from the sky into

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<v Speaker 2>her lap. So it all is an incredible, wonderful thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And you just don't ever know what's the round.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't ever know, you don't ever know. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that you lost your father too. I lost

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<v Speaker 1>my father. I know what a pain that is. And

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<v Speaker 1>I loved your dad a little time I got to

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<v Speaker 1>spend with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Your dad was your man, like he was your dude,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And when you lose your dude, it is

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<v Speaker 2>a brutal it's real, and it doesn't met. My dad

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<v Speaker 2>was eighty four, he was very ill. It doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it does not matter. And you know, how long

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<v Speaker 2>has it been since you lost your dad?

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<v Speaker 1>More than ten years? Yeah, but it doesn't get any

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it does, like the trauma of it sort

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<v Speaker 1>of slowly subsides. But like it's been a year for you,

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<v Speaker 1>where would you say that you are in your grief process?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Jenny, you asked such good questions. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my dad was very ill, and particularly the last year

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<v Speaker 2>was so awful and he was suffering and so by

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<v Speaker 2>extension suffering. So I think I would never say that

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like relief that my dad was gone, but

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<v Speaker 2>I felt relief that he was no longer in pain.

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<v Speaker 2>And also what my mother endured because she was the

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<v Speaker 2>single most dedicated caretaker I have ever seen in my life,

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<v Speaker 2>and her entire life existed to take care of my father,

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<v Speaker 2>and so there was a part of me that felt like,

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<v Speaker 2>he is no longer in terrible pain, my mother is

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<v Speaker 2>not having I mean, she never slept, she never ate.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was but what I realized was that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of relief was almost like an anesthesia that it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of hung around for a little bit, and then

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<v Speaker 2>that started to wear off, and then I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's horrible that that happened to him, and that now

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<v Speaker 2>he's gone. So I feel I had a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a freak out on the day of the anniversary

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<v Speaker 2>of his death where I got really emotional. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to lean into being really, really really grateful

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<v Speaker 2>for what I had. That's what I'm trying to lean into. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>when your parents die, it's inevitable that you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>who's uh, who's next in line? Huh, That's that's me

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<v Speaker 2>I'm next. Oh that's really dark, and I know it

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<v Speaker 2>won't be.

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<v Speaker 1>A very long time, but the point is that it

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<v Speaker 1>does it. You have to face mortality in a completely

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<v Speaker 1>different way.

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<v Speaker 2>Very confronting. I don't like it, but you know, every

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<v Speaker 2>single person on the face of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Earth is gonna go through it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's right. Life comes for everybody, and so life

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<v Speaker 2>came from me kind of hard, very close together. But

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<v Speaker 2>what are you gonna do, Jenny?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I can relate. I had just come

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<v Speaker 1>off like kind of a high point, and then my

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<v Speaker 1>daughter Lola actually got very very ill. And this was when, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we were already done with the show. When

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<v Speaker 1>she was five years old, and I thought she was

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<v Speaker 1>going to die like Peter and I thought we were

0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.800
<v Speaker 1>losing her. And then right after that, right after she

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<v Speaker 1>started to get better, my dad passed away. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just those bad things, they kind of keep

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<v Speaker 1>hitting you while you're down. I don't know what it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is about that they do come close together. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like in a weird way that sort of like happens

0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.160
<v Speaker 2>in life, Like it's almost like a portal gets opened

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<v Speaker 2>ment all. Yeah, Genny, stuff happens, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always scared when one bad thing happens, because then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my god, what's next. Yeah, it usually

0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:42.840
<v Speaker 1>happens in threes, That's what they say.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well we're done with that now.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's be over it. Well, So, I'm sorry for

0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:52.239
<v Speaker 1>your loss. I know how much he meant to you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just really sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that because I know you know what it

0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.280
<v Speaker 2>feels like. So and it does means something when somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who like you know, really loved their dad and really

0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.879
<v Speaker 2>had like a really special and good connection with their dad.

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<v Speaker 2>That when someone will say to me I understand, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you do, and that makes it better. It does.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you one more question about this. I

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<v Speaker 1>found that it didn't well, I always feel this way

0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:19.879
<v Speaker 1>with death of someone that I love, that it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel real for so long, Like it just I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm gonna see him again, or the phone's gonna ring,

0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:30.480
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be them, and I I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>there's that period of time where it just I don't

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<v Speaker 1>accept it. Did you experience that?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, first of all, I think that is such

0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:43.240
<v Speaker 2>a like relatable thing to say I felt my dad

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<v Speaker 2>was such an outsized personality, and he took up such

0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.160
<v Speaker 2>big space in my life. He was the single biggest

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<v Speaker 2>influence on me, and I went to him for his

0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:57.040
<v Speaker 2>guidance and his counsel over everything that It was almost

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<v Speaker 2>like I was like, how does he can't die? Someone

0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:02.960
<v Speaker 2>like that doesn't die, They don't just cease to exist.

0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.280
<v Speaker 2>How is that possible? So that I think was my

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<v Speaker 2>version of being in disbelief, like how is this person

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<v Speaker 2>out here? And there's every day where I'm like, God,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I could ask you about this or that

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<v Speaker 2>or what is a Pina thinks about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel closer? Because people told me this too

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<v Speaker 1>that first of all, they said a little git easier,

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<v Speaker 1>it won't hurt so bad, which I was like, fuck you,

0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.560
<v Speaker 1>you don't know what you're talking about. But there are

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<v Speaker 1>also people that said that you'll start to feel him

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<v Speaker 1>all around you, and I was like, he's dead. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no way I can feel him. And that irritated me

0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:43.760
<v Speaker 1>so badly. But I did find that after time, whenever

0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm in the wind, whenever the wind is around me,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I feel like goosebumps right now because

0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.920
<v Speaker 1>he knows I'm talking about him, but I can feel

0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.800
<v Speaker 1>him so strongly, and now it's as if I have

0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:58.840
<v Speaker 1>and not just with my dad, with other people that

0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I've loved that passed away, Like I have a direct

0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:05.200
<v Speaker 1>connection with speaking to them anytime I want. It's not

0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:07.280
<v Speaker 1>like I'm going to call them and ask for advice

0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:08.760
<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna be like, let me call you later.

0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:14.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you talk to them after they've died,

0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:17.760
<v Speaker 1>it feels like there's so much closer somehow do you

0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:18.480
<v Speaker 1>feel that way?

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<v Speaker 2>I completely relate to what you're saying. And look, it's

0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:27.560
<v Speaker 2>like scientifically proven, like people are energy, and that energy

0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.200
<v Speaker 2>and that love is a real living thing and something

0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:34.560
<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate In Judaism. Judaism actually has an incredibly

0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:38.800
<v Speaker 2>smart set of rules around when people die, how long

0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:40.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, you're not supposed to do this thing called

0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:42.400
<v Speaker 2>sitting shiva where you don't you don't leave your house

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:44.080
<v Speaker 2>for seven days and people come and you cover the

0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:46.600
<v Speaker 2>mirrors because you're not supposed to think about vanity or anything.

0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:49.560
<v Speaker 2>And then after seven days you are to take a

0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:51.879
<v Speaker 2>walk around the block. The family is like, Okay, this

0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:55.560
<v Speaker 2>is now signifying to the community it is over, yes,

0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:57.680
<v Speaker 2>And then there's all these things you do in the

0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.639
<v Speaker 2>first year to sort of mark whatever, and then on

0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:05.200
<v Speaker 2>their your anniversary, you have the unveiling of their grave,

0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.520
<v Speaker 2>their tombstone. So it's very sort of like okay, like

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.600
<v Speaker 2>they're very into the markers of time that's passed. But

0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:15.119
<v Speaker 2>something they do that I really appreciate is weew just

0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:17.280
<v Speaker 2>don't embalm the body, and you must be buried within

0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.080
<v Speaker 2>forty eight hours. You have to get in the ground

0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:21.920
<v Speaker 2>because their feelings. As soon as you die, your soul

0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 2>that's all that matters. Your body is meaningless. All that

0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.159
<v Speaker 2>matters is the soul. And I believe that that is

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:31.560
<v Speaker 2>energy that lives on that love that my dad had

0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 2>for me, and I have for my dad that hasn't

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:37.560
<v Speaker 2>gone anywherewhere. That's still with me. Your love that you

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:39.000
<v Speaker 2>have for your dad, that he had for you is

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:40.960
<v Speaker 2>always with you and in you, and now it's with

0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:44.400
<v Speaker 2>your children, and it's you know, it goes all through

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:48.320
<v Speaker 2>every single aspect of your life. So yes, I do

0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:52.439
<v Speaker 2>feel that because I still feel how much he loved me,

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 2>very very much. That being said, I would like to

0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:58.359
<v Speaker 2>still pick up the phone and have a conversation with him.

0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:01.399
<v Speaker 2>For that to the feeling of him being around.

0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:03.879
<v Speaker 2>But I think that's a very real thing. And I

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.320
<v Speaker 2>don't think that's hippy dippy. I don't think that's woo woo.

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's you know, bullshit. I think that

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:13.800
<v Speaker 2>is very real and concrete feeling that you have when

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 2>you have real love and connection with someone. I feel

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:18.800
<v Speaker 2>like with my sister in law too. I have a picture,

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:20.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, I have pictures of her everywhere, and I

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.880
<v Speaker 2>have one in my bathroom. So every single morning when

0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:24.840
<v Speaker 2>I wake up, she's sort of the first and last

0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:27.200
<v Speaker 2>thing I see, and I always I'm like, Shannon, what

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.879
<v Speaker 2>are we going to do? They go talk to her picture.

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh my god, can you believe this? Could

0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:34.400
<v Speaker 2>you hear about that? And it's like I can almost

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:38.080
<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm half so, you know, I think that

0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:41.879
<v Speaker 2>stuff is so important to lean into. Why I deny

0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.200
<v Speaker 2>yourself that, you know? And I love that you feel

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 2>that when there's that you feel your dad. I think

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:50.040
<v Speaker 2>that's so like fantastic. Yeah.

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I love that you talk to her every morning every morning. Okay,

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:55.240
<v Speaker 1>let's switch gears. I could talk about Graef for a

0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:59.000
<v Speaker 1>very long time. Can you believe that our show what

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 1>I Like about You started twenty two years ago.

0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 2>I really can't. I mean I really can't.

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:08.600
<v Speaker 1>I had a baby on that show. You had a

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:09.520
<v Speaker 1>baby on that show.

0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 2>It's wild, it is crazy. I can't believe how quickly

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.720
<v Speaker 2>it's gone. You know that that really was one of

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 2>my most favorite work experiences of my entire life. I

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:21.120
<v Speaker 2>think about it all the time, and I still get

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:25.119
<v Speaker 2>feedback from people. Constant toute were up watching it. It

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:29.199
<v Speaker 2>was like their comfort show. People love that show. I

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:31.719
<v Speaker 2>mean literally all the time, people say, I'm sure they

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:32.640
<v Speaker 2>say it to you all the time.

0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So people of a certain age, like I have

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 1>my nine to two one oog fans.

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:40.959
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean you are like so critical to so

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 2>many people. It's so many.

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Then there's like ten years younger, and they were so

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:47.159
<v Speaker 1>hooked on what I like about you because it was

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>such a good show. We had so much fun. Every

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.160
<v Speaker 1>one of us, I think probably said the same thing,

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:56.439
<v Speaker 1>like it was our one of our favorite experiences working absolutely.

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:57.639
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I have a very distinct memory of

0:25:57.640 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 2>working on that show, and I was walking up the stairs.

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.400
<v Speaker 2>For people who don't know, it was a multicam which

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 2>almost doesn't exist anymore, which is so sad, and it

0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 2>was a favorite, favorite kind of work that I never

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.480
<v Speaker 2>get to do. And you know, the stage was on

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the first floor, and then our dressing rooms were upstairs.

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 2>And I remember one day walking up to my dressing

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 2>room and I just had this like feeling where I

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 2>was like, I feel very grateful for this. I feel very,

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:24.240
<v Speaker 2>very very grateful to be here and for this, And

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 2>I felt that all the time on that job. I

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:28.919
<v Speaker 2>just loved who I worked with. It was sort of

0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:31.479
<v Speaker 2>a joyous place to be and it was fun and

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 2>we just like, you.

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Know, I know, right going to work and having a

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:39.360
<v Speaker 1>good time and laughing instead of being scary or murdered

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 1>or all your things, I feel.

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Like committing murders, running for murders. But not only that,

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 2>because of the way that those shows are filmed, you

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:49.440
<v Speaker 2>have a quality of life in your home with your kids.

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:52.439
<v Speaker 2>Your kids could come to work and hang out and

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 2>it was like completely great to have them there. So

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.119
<v Speaker 2>that was also something that was really nice that you

0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 2>it felt more kind of like a normal job in.

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 1>A way, you know, like it was called banker hours,

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>like you would.

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Be in traffic driving home, and like there was one

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 2>night that we worked till like ten, you know, when

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:11.720
<v Speaker 2>we shot in front of the audience, But that's I mean, god,

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 2>as you know, working non multiicam ten o'clock wrapping on

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 2>a Friday night as early. So anyway, it was my favorite.

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:22.199
<v Speaker 1>I loved having you there because you came in on

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:22.919
<v Speaker 1>the second season.

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Was that I did, and as a guest star of

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 2>the first season, and then I came back as a

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.159
<v Speaker 2>regular on the second season, which was such a gift.

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh. I was so excited to have you there to

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 1>play with because I felt like we were the grown

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>ups a few recall, and I didn't like that feeling

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:42.120
<v Speaker 1>because I was not had never had that feeling before,

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 1>and so I was so happy to have a fellow

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>grown up with me to play with every day and

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to do these fun scenes with. We had so much fun.

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, No, we really did, like for real,

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>for real, and you were so lovely to me and

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 2>like welcoming and like come on in. And that was

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was sort of because it was sort

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 2>of divided between the adults and the kids young, which

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:07.960
<v Speaker 2>that's fine, Like that was super fun. I leaned into

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 2>the aunt sassy of it all.

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:13.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, like, yep, you took on the ant sassy

0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and I was like the big sister. That wasn't that fun?

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but we I mean that also like I was

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:24.880
<v Speaker 2>such a true idiot that character, which you don't. I've

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 2>really I've cornered the market. I'm playing actual insane people

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.639
<v Speaker 2>and I don't find myself to be personally insane, but

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>I do seem to lean into that very comfortably. So

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:34.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that says about me.

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 1>There's this there's this part about you that you you

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 1>are on the fly all the time, Like that makes sense,

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>like you I never know what's going to come out

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 1>of your mouth, which I love people like that. It

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 1>keeps things fresh and exciting. And so I feel like

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 1>you're in You're kookie, You're you're a little kookie, and

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 1>those are all the best qualities in somebody.

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 2>So well, I appreciate that, but pretty high up in

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 2>my book, Well you're high at my book. But I

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>think that you and I had really good chemistry and

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 2>we played all yeah super well. And I think I

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 2>also felt like the way that everybody felt about each

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 2>other on that show really came through, Like we genuinely

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed being around each other, and so I felt like

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 2>that absolutely translated and why people responded the way that

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 2>they did.

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Should we do a reboot?

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, Jenny, if the money we've talked about it,

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh look, I am all about nostalgia TV. I think

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 2>that stuff is fun, and if it was a wonderful

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 2>script and the right mix, then I'm open to any

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 2>and all things.

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 1>I know. I know we've talked about it before, and

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>there's certain, you know, reasons why we can't do it

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 1>the way it was done. But we had so much fun.

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 1>And you're right, the art, the multi camera art is

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 1>so close to dying.

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 2>I agree, and I have to say, like I do

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 2>think for everybody involved in that show, it was a

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 2>real sweet spot, you know what I mean, where people

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 2>were really at their best, and so you know, that's

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 2>such a I want to articulate this in a good way.

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I have so much affection for that part of our lives,

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 2>and that just amongst the cast, that everybody was sort

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 2>of firing on all cylinders and everybody had such great

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 2>chemistry together. So yes, I am open to all the things.

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Jenny, let's talk, Okay, So this is a burning question

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>of mine. What is the deal with you and Ryan Murphy.

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 1>You've worked with them like two hundred times at least.

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Well you got did you go to high school? What's

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>happening with this Ryan?

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 2>I met before? What I like about you? I met

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Ryan in nineteen ninety eight in the casting process for

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 2>a show called Popular. We just instantly hit it off.

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 2>This was my first series, it was Ryan's first series.

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Nobody had any idea who he was. And he I mean,

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 2>I hate to use this term, it's super cheesy, but

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 2>I do feel that he is, you know, a soulmate

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>of mine in many ways. We share a very similar

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 2>worldview and what we think is funny, and you know,

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 2>he's just this incredibly brilliant but also hilarious human being.

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 2>And we just hit it off instantly, and this friendship

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 2>has endured. And I have to say, I never ever,

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 2>ever expected to work with him for all of these years.

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 2>The work part was sort of secondary. We met at work,

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 2>but you meet lots of people at work, and you

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 2>never work friends.

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>You don't think you're gonna work with them for forty years, like.

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, so well, it's not quite forty years. Don't

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 2>age me.

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I almost, but.

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I never and so each time we work together, I'm like, Okay,

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:01.240
<v Speaker 2>like I think that's so exciting, but I've never expected it.

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 2>I've never assumed if we'd only ever done that first

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 2>series together, that would have been enough, Like that would

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 2>have been plenty. He gave me my opportunity to be

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 2>in my very first series. So I feel so so

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 2>so lucky that I that is one of those things

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 2>that's just timing, the stars aligning, that is this right time.

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 2>I just happened to be a certain age at a

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 2>certain time and appropriate for a certain whatever, and we

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 2>cross paths, and it's just been the most wonderful friendship,

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 2>not just creatively but also personally. You know, we've both

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 2>been through so much, and you know, he's a dad

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 2>and like the most committed parent, and I love his

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 2>children so much, and he is so good to my daughter.

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 2>And when Goldie had her first real breakup, anything I

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 2>talked to her about, she was like, you just don't

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 2>get like she just didn't want to hear it from me.

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Had one conversation with her and she was like, that

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 2>was the best advice I've ever gotten. And so he's

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 2>very been very wonderful and good to my daughter. So

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, they have the same birthday, GOLDI and Ryan

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:08.479
<v Speaker 2>have the same birthday.

0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's getting weirder. Then it's so good though.

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 2>And they're both it's November ninth. They're both hardcore scorpios.

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you like and by the way, both of

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 2>them are triple scorpios. So I feel like the universe

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 2>is like ha ha.

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.800
<v Speaker 1>From both sides. You're getting it. But you've worked with them,

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I know for people that aren't listening, just want to

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 1>like remind them with popular nip tuck, the new not

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 1>have a list here the new normal American horror stories.

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 2>But how many I've done six seasons of horror story

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 2>port story. I just worked with him on Menendez.

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Hi, can we talk about that please?

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Sure?

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Please would love.

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>To talk about monsters. It's so good. It's so good,

0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 1>The Lyle and Eric Menenda story. It's out now on Netflix,

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 1>and if you haven't watched it, you need to crawl

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 1>out from under the rock that you're living in and

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>go and watch it. You are so incredible as my

0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>favorite character, judelan Am I saying all right, yes, judelan Smith, Yeah,

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 1>I did not know you were going to be in it.

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>I was watching and I was like, oh my god,

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 1>there's Leslie.

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 2>I just saw it.

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I just saw her at airport. It was like this

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 1>weird full circle moment. You were so so good.

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 2>You're very kind. The look was very intense. You know,

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.920
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a wig, it's in nineteen eighty nine clothes.

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 2>She's a very specific person, you know, because I'm from

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles and I was in high school when that happened,

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:34.719
<v Speaker 2>and actually several friends who were in school with Eric,

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:37.800
<v Speaker 2>and this was, you know, two miles from where I

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:42.320
<v Speaker 2>grew up. So this this news was huge nationally and internationally. Locally,

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.239
<v Speaker 2>it was like all anyone could think about her talk

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 2>about And so I really watched that case very closely

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 2>when it happened. And then wasn't the first one that

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 2>aired on Court TV. I feel like I should know this,

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 2>but it was one of the first things that aired

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.920
<v Speaker 2>in its entirety on Court TV, and I watched whenever

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I could. And I remember or this character that I

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 2>play in the show, Judelan Smith Hilly. She was a

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 2>very unique character and person and her testimony was really outrageous.

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:16.160
<v Speaker 2>So I remember it very clearly and Thankfully, all of

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 2>that testimony is available on YouTube, so I was able

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 2>to watch all of it and find it of it.

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 2>But to get to be a part of this was

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.360
<v Speaker 2>really incredible and phenomenal. But it was mostly just to

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:30.399
<v Speaker 2>watch Cooper Kotch and Nicholas Chavez, who play Lyell and Eric.

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, to watch their performances and to get to

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 2>be around that and just knowing like, oh, wow, your

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 2>entire lives are going to change as soon as this errors,

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 2>and it has. But they're so talented and so good,

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.240
<v Speaker 2>and so that was really cool to get to watch

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 2>their incredible hard work and then for the world to

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 2>see it and really respond to that.

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everybody remembers that happening in the nineties. I was

0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 1>working through it. I was playing a character that went

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:03.280
<v Speaker 1>to the same school as him. So yeah, So and that's.

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 2>When your show was, I mean, as huge as huge

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.800
<v Speaker 2>could be. And you know what's so funny, Jenny, I

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.240
<v Speaker 2>think about this all the time. What was the average

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 2>number of a Nino two and zero show when it aired?

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 2>How many people were watching that on an average night?

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Not that many because it was on Fox, which was

0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 1>a network.

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Eighteen million.

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:27.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably, Okay, do you understand to.

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Me, that's not enough, but eighteen million views, that would

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 2>be a hit in a way that like you would

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 2>hear executives screaming, like across the canyons of Los Angeles.

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean that the numbers that your show got were

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:48.239
<v Speaker 2>so massive, but just culturally it was so huge, and

0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:49.919
<v Speaker 2>so for Nano two one oh to be it, it's

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 2>really like ascendency right right when those were it was

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 2>a and I remember that and I spoke about that

0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 2>in an interview. It was a wild chriss cross because

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the juggernaut of the show was also

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 2>rocket fuel for the story of the murder.

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:13.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and interestingly enough, I think the show did sort

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:17.880
<v Speaker 1>of an episode where actually Matthew Perry played a character,

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:21.480
<v Speaker 1>so I remember this that was a tennis player and

0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 1>under a lot of stress from his rich parents. And

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he murdered them on our show.

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, Jenny, you have to understand something that

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:31.880
<v Speaker 2>my freshman year of college, so obviously I watched it,

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:34.720
<v Speaker 2>and I just remember somebody being like, there's a show

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:39.360
<v Speaker 2>about kids that go to Beverly and I was like, what, Okay,

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I have to watch this, and my freshman year of college.

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, there was like you had to like watch

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 2>TV like in a congregate environment, like there was a

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:53.719
<v Speaker 2>TV like in the co living space of a door, right,

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 2>but all meet and watch the show together, and it

0:37:56.560 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 2>was maybe the most fun ever. I mean the prom

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 2>episode where you guys are weren'ting the same forget It

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 2>or get It like iconic and you know what was

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 2>so fun about I'm sorry, I'm like totally looping back

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:11.840
<v Speaker 2>into different like I'm going back to a different direction

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 2>that when people from Nina tuan O came onto our show,

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I acted normal.

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:21.319
<v Speaker 1>I was me being out my god, yes, I'm what

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 1>I like about you. We had Ian on, we had

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:27.439
<v Speaker 1>Luke on, we had Jason on. I think that's it.

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 2>They were so wonderful too, like so fantastic, so wonderful.

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:33.919
<v Speaker 2>And I felt really lucky that I got to meet Luke,

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, because he was so cool, Like he was

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:40.959
<v Speaker 2>so nice, he was so cool, and I have to say,

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:43.879
<v Speaker 2>the two of you had that chemistry like no time

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 2>had gone by. It was like right there, which was fun.

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 2>But that like you'll never know how much that meant

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:52.160
<v Speaker 2>to me. I was like I would totally play cool

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:54.200
<v Speaker 2>it's like, hey, what's that? Nice to meet you, but

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 2>inside you're so good.

0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Freaking out dude, you know you were saying like it

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 1>was appointment television. That doesn't happen anymore now it's all

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.319
<v Speaker 1>about streaming. But you are on two shows that are

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:06.279
<v Speaker 1>streaming on the top of the charts right now. Did

0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 1>you ever think see that coming?

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:10.440
<v Speaker 2>I did not. So the other show you're talking about

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 2>is the Kristen Bell Adam Brodie show called Nobody Wants

0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 2>This created my friend Foster, who I've known Aaron for

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 2>a long time. They were so lovely and called and said, hey,

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 2>would you do you want to come play a rabbi?

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to brag, but I've played a

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 2>rabbi several times now on television, so I love that

0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:28.359
<v Speaker 2>they made such an effort to have Jewish actors playing

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Jewish characters, which you know, for many, many years is

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 2>not what happened. And it was like, I only did

0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>one episode, but I swear to God, I have gotten

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 2>more feedback from doing that one episode than almost anything

0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:41.560
<v Speaker 2>I've ever done, because that is such a massive hit

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:44.320
<v Speaker 2>and it's so funny that they aired at the exact

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 2>same time and then switched places like it's.

0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Just you're killing it.

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't know. I'm an actor. So the minute

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:53.400
<v Speaker 2>you say that, I'm like, well.

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I know. For me to never work again, I'll never worry.

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:58.440
<v Speaker 2>That's the only way it can happen, Like you have to.

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:00.359
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, every time I get a job,

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:02.960
<v Speaker 2>every time to this day, after decades of doing this,

0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no.

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Really, are you sure? You're like, oh you want me?

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:08.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Always. I will never ever get over that. So I

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 2>when there's moments where people are watching what you do,

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 2>because there's a lot of downtimes.

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna ask you, you've been working steadily, pretty steadily.

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Has there ever been a time during that downtime when

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 1>you're like, maybe I should try something different? Like what

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:32.520
<v Speaker 1>else could I do?

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, you ask a great question. The one of

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 2>my toxic traits is I am enormously stubborn, and I

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 2>also am like, no, put too much time in. I

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:44.319
<v Speaker 2>put too much time and I'm gonna wait everyone else

0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 2>out until they leave, and then they'll create some sort

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:50.239
<v Speaker 2>of vacuum for me to move into. I didn't ever

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 2>think of quitting. There were times where I was like, wow,

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:57.719
<v Speaker 2>this is horrific because when you have something that you

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 2>love that is your dream, and you go through periods

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 2>where nothing really seems like it's going on. I remember

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 2>feeling like there was a time where it felt like

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:08.840
<v Speaker 2>my career was like on a boat and the boat

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:09.920
<v Speaker 2>was out to see and I was.

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Like, by can I come back someday?

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully it brings you back to me. So I have

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:20.239
<v Speaker 2>had some real dark moments where I'm like, fuck, this

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 2>is horrible. I never ever thought of quitting, and I

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 2>swear to God, I truly believe that it's just through

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:33.239
<v Speaker 2>sheer force of will and endurance and a refusal to quit.

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the only reason.

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:39.839
<v Speaker 2>And it's out of a stubborn inability to know when

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:40.440
<v Speaker 2>to call it.

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:45.719
<v Speaker 1>So because I always think what else am I gonna do?

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 1>This is what I do well.

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 2>But the amazing thing about you is you do everything

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 2>which you know what you've always been And I've always

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 2>admired this about you. You are a frickin' hustler and

0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 2>you always have been like you are, like you multitask

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:00.840
<v Speaker 2>in a way that I've never seen, and I have

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:04.359
<v Speaker 2>this memory of you like walking into work with like

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 2>two dogs, children, papers, the script and its like as an assistant,

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 2>like and you're like, you have seventy businesses and things

0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 2>going on, but then when you have to lock into

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 2>the thing in front of you, will lock into that thing. Okay,

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.920
<v Speaker 2>now I'm going to lock into that thing. And you

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 2>always did it all with a lot of grace, Like

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:28.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I am very I don't have that ability. So,

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>for instance, you have this incredible collaboration with QVC. You

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 2>know that, likeir so I have. I love QVC more

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.839
<v Speaker 2>than anything. I mean I really do, and I watch

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 2>it all the time, and particularly at the height of lockdown,

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.359
<v Speaker 2>I was like, nothing is more comforting to me right now,

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.120
<v Speaker 2>like the world is in saying all I want to

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 2>do is watch someone talking about this particular blanket like

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and why this is so good? And I'm like, I

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 2>want to hear all about the microfiber count on this blanket.

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:01.439
<v Speaker 1>It really there's something about it that just sucks you in.

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but you know you've also you you've always managed

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 2>to be like ahead of the curve. VC is doing

0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 2>something very brilliant, embracing women fifty and over. Now right

0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:15.840
<v Speaker 2>that you are just like hello, like I am going

0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 2>to walk right into that, and you're like the perfect

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:21.839
<v Speaker 2>face for all of this, someone that people have grown

0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 2>up with, who you know, they can see themselves in,

0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:28.760
<v Speaker 2>who's doing it in a way that's really admirable and aspirational.

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:32.239
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think you're amazing your ability to

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 2>just like always have fifty different things going at the

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:36.920
<v Speaker 2>same time. I don't know how.

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, thank you. Ask my husband. It's not

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 1>quite as graceful as you might think. But you got

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 1>a hustle, girl.

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 3>You do.

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:47.760
<v Speaker 2>You do have to hustle.

0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 1>We got to pay the bills.

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.480
<v Speaker 2>And you've always been a very good provider.

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:54.280
<v Speaker 1>I like taking care of people.

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:54.839
<v Speaker 3>Well.

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Also, you've been working since you were really really young.

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like soeen sixteen, seventeen.

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Yep, So I think that's just in you.

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:08.240
<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, I have a strong work ethic, and I

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 1>enjoy doing things like I enjoy getting shit done, like

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:16.520
<v Speaker 1>checking it off my list and the next very impressive.

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:18.799
<v Speaker 1>I thank you so much. That's a very nice of

0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 1>you to notice me.

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 2>And I wouldn't say it if I didn't.

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, if you weren't an actress, Oh yes, what would

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<v Speaker 1>you do with your time? What would you be?

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a cliche answer, but I probably would be

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<v Speaker 2>like a therapist. I just find people so fascinating and

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm so like psychologically curious. And obviously that is so

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:45.520
<v Speaker 2>much of what acting is, as you're getting into the

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<v Speaker 2>mind of.

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<v Speaker 1>A different person.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, for some of my favorite thing ever,

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<v Speaker 2>like my dream evening is this is gonna sound terrible,

0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:54.399
<v Speaker 2>getting sat next to people that are in a fight,

0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 2>like a couple like I just because I want to

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 2>hear them nimin issues and he is not He needs

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<v Speaker 2>to go to a therapist for that, and she is

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<v Speaker 2>not listening and she's not holding space for it.

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:10.279
<v Speaker 1>Like I just like, let's go to I want to

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 1>go to dinner with you and we won't talk. No,

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 1>we'll just listen.

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Suh, will order our food and then hopefully sit.

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<v Speaker 3>Next to people, go right next to people, correct And

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<v Speaker 3>I've had that, So I find other psychological dynamics between

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<v Speaker 3>people fascinating, and you know, figuring out why people are

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 3>the way that they are and how you correctly affects

0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 3>what you're like today and how you can make real

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 3>change right here, right now that whatever happened to you,

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:43.279
<v Speaker 3>it's not like, oh, it's not like the story is

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<v Speaker 3>written and you can't adjust that.

0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:50.879
<v Speaker 2>And how people can figure out different ways to get

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<v Speaker 2>through things. I find all of them.

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:56.320
<v Speaker 1>I do too. Should we should have been a therapists together.

0:45:57.040 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Let's open up, let's go to school, and that'll be

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<v Speaker 2>another way.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing a show though it's yes, I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is good.

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.239
<v Speaker 2>I think so too. Two actresses who become therapists and.

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>We live together. We have to live together together, and

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:18.520
<v Speaker 1>we're besses because we sometimes have You noticed that sometimes therapists,

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<v Speaker 1>not every therapist, because my best friend is a therapist,

0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:24.839
<v Speaker 1>was a therapist and she's like the best person I know.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of times therapists don't have their shit

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<v Speaker 1>together in their real lives.

0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:32.840
<v Speaker 2>No, and sort of the cliche also is like I

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 2>just remember there was some kids, not all, but there

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:36.160
<v Speaker 2>were some kids that I grew up with whose parents

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:40.680
<v Speaker 2>were therapists, and I was like, oh, boy, love going

0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:44.799
<v Speaker 2>on in your house? Can you imagine they might not

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.359
<v Speaker 2>be able to see you any longer? So I think, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I learned drawn to certain things for certain reasons.

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I think maybe dysfunctional people are drawn to psychological work.

0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 2>They want to understand why they are the way they

0:46:57.280 --> 0:46:58.840
<v Speaker 2>are and by the way, I put myself in that

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:01.680
<v Speaker 2>category on me too, taking myself out of it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think that's fair. And by the way,

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 2>whoever said I wasn't kind of a mess, I don't.

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 2>I literally have no idea what I'm doing on any

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:09.759
<v Speaker 2>given day. I am winging it constantly.

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you've never done this before. No, I really haven't

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:16.320
<v Speaker 1>ever been in this moment right now before. And people

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:20.280
<v Speaker 1>forget that, like when you fuck up as a mom

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:23.279
<v Speaker 1>or like you make a mistake with a friend or

0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 1>at work and you are so hard on yourself about

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:28.239
<v Speaker 1>it and why did I do that? And you know,

0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 1>you beat yourself up about it, and I have to

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:34.239
<v Speaker 1>remind myself in those moments, like, hello, you've never done

0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:36.320
<v Speaker 1>this before. Of course you're not going to do everything

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 1>right all the time.

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 2>And the thing that also kind of blows my mind though,

0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:42.160
<v Speaker 2>I was literally talking to someone this morning about this

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:45.920
<v Speaker 2>where you know, I am still learning big lessons where

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh wow, that was a learning experience. It

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:52.720
<v Speaker 2>was deeply painful, but it was I in my kitchen.

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:57.320
<v Speaker 2>There's that is a learning experience, and I'm like, oh wow, okay,

0:47:57.400 --> 0:48:00.600
<v Speaker 2>so at this age, I'm still having learned experience.

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Sometimes with my husband and I talk

0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:05.759
<v Speaker 1>about this, We're like, I'm so tired of evolving, Like

0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:06.759
<v Speaker 1>please make it.

0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Stup literally like I get it, Like I've learned. I

0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:13.760
<v Speaker 2>don't want to learn any more lessons. I'm allfull on lessons.

0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. But that's not what life is.

0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 2>It really isn't and it's just waiting for you to

0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:22.920
<v Speaker 2>fuck up again.

0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we have had we've had such a good

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 1>time together, but I feel like there were destined to

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:32.480
<v Speaker 1>work together again and I really love look forward to that.

0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.799
<v Speaker 1>I love talking to you, I love hanging out with

0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:38.239
<v Speaker 1>you all hours of the day and night on set.

0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 1>I just love you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, before we go, I just want to say, first

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:43.880
<v Speaker 2>of all, thank you for having me on. I also

0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:48.520
<v Speaker 2>talked so much, and it's not fair because I know

0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:50.799
<v Speaker 2>you so and I'm just so excited to like talk

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 2>to you. And now other people are going to have

0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 2>to listen in on that.

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:57.839
<v Speaker 1>No, they want to hear everything you have to say.

0:48:58.040 --> 0:48:58.520
<v Speaker 3>They love it.

0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 2>And also I remember something This is so like unimportant

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 2>and stupid, but you taught me like a food thing

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:07.439
<v Speaker 2>that I never ever forgot where we were sitting. They

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:10.040
<v Speaker 2>had like on set it was like a cobbler and

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:12.560
<v Speaker 2>like we got a cobbler and there was ice cream

0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and you salted it and I was like, oh, I

0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:17.120
<v Speaker 2>was like, what are you talking. I was like, why

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:18.480
<v Speaker 2>are you salting that? And you were like no, no,

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:20.960
<v Speaker 2>the salt brings out and I was like okay, and

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 2>I salted it and I was like, this is the

0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:26.400
<v Speaker 2>greatest thing that's ever happened. And I feel like salted

0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:30.760
<v Speaker 2>caramel became a huge bad after that, and I was like, one,

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 2>miss Jenny Barth assaulting your sweet things many years.

0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:40.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm a trailblazer when it comes sick eating salt.

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 2>You are a trailblazer. And on that ridiculous note that way.

0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's so funny. I have one final question to

0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 1>ask you, Leslie Grossman. What was your last I Choose

0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:56.240
<v Speaker 1>me moment? Oh, it can be big, it can be little.

0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:59.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're in the in the minefield of choosing

0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:01.880
<v Speaker 1>yourself for right now, which is an amazing place to be.

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:05.040
<v Speaker 2>I will tell you my last choose me moment that

0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I alluded to in a text with you that I

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:10.800
<v Speaker 2>won't go into too many details. I had an interaction.

0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be too obvious, but it was

0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:18.400
<v Speaker 2>like a collaboration, and I did not like the way

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.440
<v Speaker 2>it was going down. And the old me, the younger me,

0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:27.919
<v Speaker 2>would have stuck it out, made excuses, I would have apologized,

0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I would have myself, and instead, I very directly said,

0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:36.600
<v Speaker 2>this doesn't feel good and I'm going to remove myself

0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 2>from this best of luck. And it felt great. It

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:45.320
<v Speaker 2>felt so great. And the more that you make those choices,

0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 2>the better it is for you. That is you taking

0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:50.720
<v Speaker 2>care of yourself. And it's not easy and it doesn't

0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:52.440
<v Speaker 2>come naturally to me. And I don't want people to

0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:55.400
<v Speaker 2>think I'm a bitch or I'm grateful, whatever it is

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:57.160
<v Speaker 2>that we worry people are going to think about us

0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:01.040
<v Speaker 2>to say, I don't like this and I'm removing myself.

0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 2>And I did that just a couple of days ago.

0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:05.279
<v Speaker 2>So that was my last choose me a moment. Without

0:51:05.320 --> 0:51:08.960
<v Speaker 2>going into the specifics of it, I protected myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it, Jenny, and I choose you.

0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:18.560
<v Speaker 2>I choose you, Jenny. Will you give all your girls

0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 2>kisses for me?

0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:22.000
<v Speaker 1>And Goldie too. I want to hold her like a baby,

0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:24.479
<v Speaker 1>but I can't because she's large. Now it's tall.

0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:27.279
<v Speaker 2>How she's like five nine, I don't care for it.

0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, how tall are you?

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:30.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm six.

0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:32.360
<v Speaker 1>It's weird when they're taller than us.

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:35.799
<v Speaker 2>What is happening? And by the way, I'll just say this,

0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:38.560
<v Speaker 2>they're taller now, kids are taller. Now, they grow them taller.

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Now, they grow more. Yeah, that's true.

0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:41.960
<v Speaker 2>All her friends from over And I'm like, it's like

0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:42.839
<v Speaker 2>Amazon's or And.

0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:45.200
<v Speaker 1>I cannot tell I cannot wait to tell Fiona that

0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:47.040
<v Speaker 1>I talked to Goldie's mom today. She's going to be

0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:48.080
<v Speaker 1>so happy not to.

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Give her a squeeze from me. And your girls are

0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:54.520
<v Speaker 2>just like, oh my god, Like you're just you know,

0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 2>you've always been the most wonderful mother and so totally

0:51:57.080 --> 0:51:59.520
<v Speaker 2>committed to them, and now look how wonderful they are.

0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:04.920
<v Speaker 1>So mazzle, mizzled to you love seeing I love you,

0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:06.719
<v Speaker 1>bye bye, thank you.

0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Hi. Oh.

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:14.360
<v Speaker 1>I just love Leslie Grossman. You guys. It was so

0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:18.239
<v Speaker 1>nice to chat with her and just you know, walk

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:21.120
<v Speaker 1>down memory road with her and some of the fun

0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:23.400
<v Speaker 1>memories that we had working together on What I like

0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 1>about you, What a great time we had. And I'm

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:31.760
<v Speaker 1>just I'm so I'm so happy for her and proud

0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:35.720
<v Speaker 1>of her all the incredible roles that she has played,

0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:38.520
<v Speaker 1>but especially right now, I mean, she's just killing it

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't be happier for anybody. As we continue

0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:46.040
<v Speaker 1>to choose ourselves each week, I want to challenge you

0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:49.680
<v Speaker 1>this week to something. When was the last time you

0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:53.560
<v Speaker 1>told someone in your life that you love them? Talking

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:56.839
<v Speaker 1>with Leslie today, we were both reflecting on what it's

0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:59.440
<v Speaker 1>like to lose a parent, and I know for a

0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:02.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of us, if given the opportunity to see that

0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:05.400
<v Speaker 1>parent again, we would want to make sure that we

0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:08.760
<v Speaker 1>told them we love them. So this week, I encourage

0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:14.640
<v Speaker 1>you to send a text or tell someone just call them.

0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Maybe next time you talk to them, tell them that

0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:20.520
<v Speaker 1>you love them. Life can change in the blink of

0:53:20.560 --> 0:53:25.840
<v Speaker 1>an eye, so let's all choose to really prioritize and

0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:29.400
<v Speaker 1>remind ourselves how lucky we are to have people in

0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:32.560
<v Speaker 1>our lives. Thanks for listening to I Choose Me. You

0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:35.920
<v Speaker 1>can check out all our social links in our show notes.

0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:38.560
<v Speaker 1>You can rate us, you can review us, and be

0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:40.719
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0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:43.160
<v Speaker 1>can find you. I'll be right here next week. I

0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:44.480
<v Speaker 1>hope you choose to be here too.