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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to stephone

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Speaker 1: never told you ppprecsive of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to another feminist around the world. I got

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Speaker 2: the name straight this time. Are you proud of me?

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Speaker 2: Because I usually botch it up two or three times

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Speaker 2: before we even start, But you know from Emberton like,

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Speaker 2: I'm on a roll and just keep going with it

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Speaker 2: that this is how I am as a professional. So

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Speaker 2: good even though to kind of stutter into this one,

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Speaker 2: it's fine. But for today's a feminist around the world.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about indigenous activists, Tasila, Riviera Zeya. And again,

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Speaker 2: as we always talk about when we talk about people

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Speaker 2: we don't hear much about or from other countries, bear

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Speaker 2: with us on the pronunciations. We try our damnedest to

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Speaker 2: make sure that we get the pronunciation correct. But yes

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Speaker 2: we are still I'm an American English speaker, so we

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Speaker 2: suck at accents. I think that's just just an overall

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Speaker 2: you know capy ont to this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Soaiah is a Peruvian Quechua activist who has dedicated her

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Speaker 2: life for her indigenous community and for the Amazonian people

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Speaker 2: of Peru. She was born in San Francisco de Pujas

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Speaker 2: Vodkas human atje Cuco and has strived to work for

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Speaker 2: her indigenous community and for other indigenous communities around the

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Speaker 2: world and in her country. In an interview with DVV International,

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Speaker 2: she talks about her childhood and growing up as an

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Speaker 2: indigenous woman. She says, I am Quichua speaking born in

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Speaker 2: the community of San Francisco de Pujas vodkas human Ajacuco.

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Speaker 2: My parents died there. They died monolingual and I'm part

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Speaker 2: of a typical family from the community that in the

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Speaker 2: post harvest stage, came to the coast to work on

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Speaker 2: the haciendas to take back some resources for candles, matches,

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Speaker 2: sugar or salt. It is a community that is still

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Speaker 2: on the map and an extreme pop I was monolingualed

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Speaker 2: and studied in public schools, which was characterized by having

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Speaker 2: its back turn to the knees and culture of our peoples.

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Speaker 2: At the age of ten, I migrated to Lima, where

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Speaker 2: I learned a Spanish in completed primary and secondary education,

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Speaker 2: specifically commercial secondary school. I combined study with work as

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Speaker 2: a domestic servant. I had a tremendous fixation on wanting

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Speaker 2: to study. I had various experiences, some more positive, like

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Speaker 2: respect for my people and identity. I remember one man

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Speaker 2: from Belgium and he treated me rather more like a folklore. Experience.

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Speaker 2: From others, I received discriminatory treatment. One of them wanted

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Speaker 2: me to study at night because that was when domestic

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Speaker 2: worker studies, and I didn't want to because it was

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Speaker 2: common knowledge that teaching was not done well at night.

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Speaker 2: But the people who hired me told me, why do that.

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Speaker 2: You are a little Indian or Indiasita, and you will

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Speaker 2: always be one. Unfortunately, our society is exclusionary, racist and prejudiced.

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Speaker 1: And she has been fighting for justice and inclusion most

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Speaker 1: of her life. She talked more about some of the

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Speaker 1: hardship and discrimination she had to deal with while growing

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Speaker 1: up and how she persevered, saying, when I was in

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Speaker 1: high school, I was shy. I talked little so that

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Speaker 1: they would not make fun of my k TWA accents.

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Speaker 1: I also had a long braid, and they made fun

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Speaker 1: it was because I always rebelled against injustice. I was

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Speaker 1: also a member of the school newspaper, and I became

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Speaker 1: part of the Association of School Journalists from different public

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Speaker 1: and private schools, and her work for justice has continued

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Speaker 1: since then. In the seventies, Rivera Zeia worked in the

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Speaker 1: Ministry of Culture of Peru and would eventually go on

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Speaker 1: to work as a journalist for the Pueblo Indio magazine

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Speaker 1: of the Indian Council of South America CISA. It was

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Speaker 1: during this time she was able to collect stories and

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Speaker 1: testimonies of the Indigenous women who were sexually assaulted and

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Speaker 1: abused during armed conflicts, and because of her amazing works,

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Speaker 1: she was invited to study at the Institute of Social

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Speaker 1: Studies in the Hague in the International Center of Education

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Speaker 1: of Human Rights in Canada.

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Speaker 2: Yeah thought fiercely for the rights and safety of Indigenous

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Speaker 2: women and has not stopped, she told DVV International when

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Speaker 2: asked about the indigenous community. Most of the women who

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Speaker 2: left my community worked as domestic servants, many of whom

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Speaker 2: have been able to study and become professionals. The important

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Speaker 2: opportunities to be able to exercise the right to a

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Speaker 2: good education. I am convinced that all Indian and Amazonian

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Speaker 2: Indigenous women can make great contributions to society, contribute to

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Speaker 2: so that we can exercise our rights. The right to

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Speaker 2: an education that recognizes our languages and cultures and an

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Speaker 2: intercultural education has always been my banner of struggle and aspirations.

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Speaker 2: Something is moving, but slowly.

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Speaker 1: And she has parlayed what she had studied as what

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Speaker 1: she saw as a need for her community into a

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Speaker 1: nonprofit she founded with Juanita del Rossol in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: six called cheer Apoc. She told you andwomen dot org.

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Speaker 1: Cheer POC, the nonprofit I found together with one ney

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Speaker 1: To del Rosal, was born in nineteen eighty six to

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Speaker 1: support the cultural reaffirmation of Indigenous peoples with a strong

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Speaker 1: human rights approach, because I could not talk about culture

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Speaker 1: without talking about its people, and its people were being discriminated, attacked,

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Speaker 1: and killed. Indigenous women not only need the same opportunities

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Speaker 1: as everyone else, they need specific opportunities to affirm their

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Speaker 1: identity and become aware of their own rights. With the

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Speaker 1: onslaught of climate change, unexpected and frequent droughts, floods and

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Speaker 1: food security of Indigenous peoples. Indigenous women, not unlike other

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Speaker 1: rural women, are often farmers and in charge of feeding

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Speaker 1: their families. Their livelihood and lives are at stake. As

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Speaker 1: part of the Cheerpock programs, we try to ensure that

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Speaker 1: Indigenous women can cope with climate change sustainably, for example,

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Speaker 1: by using organic insecticides, natural fertilizers, and resilient seeds, and

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Speaker 1: food that they can access.

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Speaker 2: Conversation reminds me of the conversation we had with the

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Speaker 2: other conversations with different Indigenous activists and how important it

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Speaker 2: is to kind of go back to the foods of

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Speaker 2: the Indigenous people and how it is so important and

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Speaker 2: we don't feel like we talk about it enough. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they talk about it, but the only time I even

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Speaker 2: hear about it is when we hear interviews like this

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Speaker 2: from Indigenous women who come from that culture and community

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Speaker 2: and understand sustainable food and resources. That's just gonna have

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Speaker 2: to be a one giant episode, I'm sure, and this

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Speaker 2: is gonna talk about how Indigenous people could save us

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Speaker 2: if we would only listen. But you know whatever. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Along with Chirpak Rivera Zeia also founded the Continental Link

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Speaker 2: of Indigenous Women of Americas and the International Form of

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Speaker 2: Indigenous Women, which both promote encouraging and empowering Indigenous women

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Speaker 2: around the world to become politically involved again all around

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Speaker 2: the world, and she's still very active today, being involved

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Speaker 2: She's the president of the International Indigenous Women's Forum as

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two. In twenty ten, she was awarded

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Speaker 2: the Order of Merit for Women, and in twenty eleven

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Speaker 2: she was given the Visionary Award of the Ford Foundation.

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Speaker 2: From twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen, she was elected and

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Speaker 2: Forum on Indigenous Issues and BTDUBS. I believe she's still

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Speaker 2: working closely with the UN, especially spreading the awareness and

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Speaker 2: the needs of Indigenous women and rights. She recently spoke

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Speaker 2: against the violence and abuse against indigenous women, and I

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Speaker 2: think she talks about how COVID has affected their campaign

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Speaker 2: as well. Again, this was just recent. You can check

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Speaker 2: out their series called Connecting the Dots with an interview

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Speaker 2: with her specifically, and she's speaking English. I'm always impressed

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Speaker 2: when I'm like, oh my god, how many languages can

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Speaker 2: you speak? That's amazing, And then I'm like, trying to

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Speaker 2: still learn Korean. That's fine, that's fine, I'm fine. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: the work that she's done is obviously not anywhere near

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Speaker 2: over and she is continually traveling and speaking for the

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Speaker 2: rights and the people of our community as well as

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Speaker 2: the indigenous women all around the world.

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Speaker 1: Right, which means again I'm sure we will be revisiting

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