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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this is episode number six.

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Speaker 1: Today in the show, we're sharing a behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: look at the latest bow hunting gear and news from

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Speaker 1: the two thousand sixteen a t A show. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sick of Gear. And today we are doing something

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Speaker 1: that we have never done before. Me and Dan, my

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Speaker 1: co host, are sitting in a room together recording a podcast.

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Speaker 1: And what do you think about this? Dan, It's a

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Speaker 1: little weird because it's not just any room. It is, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a hotel room where you pay by the hour,

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Speaker 1: So that part we're gonna leave out. Nan, No, it's

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Speaker 1: it's weird because are set up now everybody who talks

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Speaker 1: has to lean in and then lean out, and then

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Speaker 1: lean in and then lean out. So we might not

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Speaker 1: sound the best today, but we're working with our with

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Speaker 1: our Jankee set up here and it'll it will be

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Speaker 1: good because we are here at the two thousand sixteen

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Speaker 1: Archer Trade Association Show, which for those that don't know,

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Speaker 1: is essentially that the largest archery and bow hunting convention

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Speaker 1: of the year where retailers, manufacturers, and media members all

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Speaker 1: come together to check out the newest products from all

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Speaker 1: the companies across the board. And you know, retailers are

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what products they need to stock,

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Speaker 1: manufacturers are trying to make sure that retailers stock their products,

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Speaker 1: and the media is trying to see it all and

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Speaker 1: hear it all and and share it. So that's what

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Speaker 1: me and Dan have been doing over the past couple

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Speaker 1: of days. So today we wanted to give you a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a sneak peek into what the A T.

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Speaker 1: share some of our own experiences this week and finally

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Speaker 1: go through some of the most interesting new products we've seen.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot. I'm kind of overwhelmed still, but

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Speaker 1: give you a little bit of a look behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of what this whole crazy thing is about. Because

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've probably seen a lot on social media

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Speaker 1: we want to give you a little bit different perspective. So, Dan,

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Speaker 1: has the show going for you so far? Well, I

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Speaker 1: made the mistake of wearing a brand new pair of

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Speaker 1: so my feet hurt, and uh, but I did good.

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Speaker 1: I didn't go out drinking at all this week while

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Speaker 1: my room. But other than that, the show has been good.

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Speaker 1: I did the same thing you did, walk up and

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Speaker 1: just get a ton of information. That's one of the

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Speaker 1: things about the show usually is that when you get

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Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thousands of bow hunters together, and

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll call it, and usually Dan, you and

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Speaker 1: and uh, after that, after that dinner meeting, I looked

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Speaker 1: This marked a new era in our our maturation as adults.

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Speaker 1: So it was a different kind of a tap from

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Speaker 1: it up for you. Designer jeans money company spends big

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Speaker 1: know what a television show. Everybody's trying to there's it's

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Speaker 1: the manufacturers are trying to sell their products to the buyers.

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Speaker 1: to pause for brief word more sponsors of this podcast

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Speaker 1: sick to Gear, And given that we've just been at

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Speaker 1: new product development process looks like. It's sick. So here's

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Speaker 1: Dennis with a little bit of insight. Yeah, so it's

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Speaker 1: you know. And that's that's a series of you know,

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Speaker 1: thing they mentioned is that they have they have a

429
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: little tool that comes with their arrows now that when

430
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: you take the knock off the back of the arrow,

431
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: you can use this tool too. Well, let me take

432
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 1: a step back at the front of the era, where

433
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: you would screw in where your insert is. It's a

434
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 1: two way insert, so there's threads in the front and

435
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: the threads on the back. So the front, the threads

436
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 1: on the front, obviously that's where you screw in your

437
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: field tip or you're brought in. But the threads on

438
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: the back are accessible through the inside of the arrow.

439
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 1: So you take the knock off the back and you

440
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: use this little tool to add weight to the backside

441
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: of the insert, so you can add as much weight

442
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: as you want to then adjust ford of center on

443
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: your on your arrow. So if you need a heavier

444
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: set up, if you're going to go from a white

445
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: tail to an elk hunt or a mousson or something

446
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: like that, you can adjust the weight in your arrow

447
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: to to do that. So that's kind of interesting thing

448
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: to do. I don't know if I would um be

449
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: smart enough to do that the right way, but yeah,

450
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: but it was kind of interesting. Um what about bows.

451
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: If I'm thinking about new bow stuff I've seen so far,

452
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember here. I know that you know,

453
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: Bear has got the bows that they announced this fall,

454
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: although they did just announce a new crossbow, their first

455
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: crossbow ever, So that sounds pretty cool if if you're

456
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: into the crossbow thing. Um Matthews announced a new bow

457
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: they can't with the Halon or hall On um that

458
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: was his fall they announced it, but they announced a

459
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: new version of it called the hall On X I

460
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: think or something just kind of some different variations on that.

461
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: I saw that um Hoyt has got the new Defiant.

462
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: I think I think that's the new one I saw

463
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: um g five I think is releasing a new boat

464
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: called the Rise or Riser or something like that. Um,

465
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: I haven't got to shoot any bows. Um. What about

466
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: I haven't got to do anything from Elite. I don't

467
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: know if you see if there's a new boat from Elite.

468
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: Elite has the new UH Impulse, and I believe that

469
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: is like the two versions of it, UH thirty two

470
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: and the thirty five. Okay, So that's another thing that

471
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: we didn't mention is that all the boat companies that

472
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: are here, most of them along the outer walls of

473
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: the convention center have got essentially shooting ranger set up

474
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: where you can come in and shoot all the different bows.

475
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: So some guys just spend the whole day going from

476
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: booth to booth shooting every bow, try all of them,

477
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: trying to get a different feel for for which ones

478
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: they like. UM. I haven't been able to do that

479
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: yet this year, but I might try shoot a couple today. UM.

480
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: But there's no shorts of bows, that's for sure. UM.

481
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: And new companies coming out all the time too, there's

482
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: a shoot. The last couple of years has been a

483
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: few new manufacturers have been getting some buzz like obsession

484
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: bows new expedition archeries one. Um, are there any other

485
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: new ones that you remember? War Eagle or something like that.

486
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: I thought I saw a one called war Eagle. Yeah,

487
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: so there's a lot going on. Um, I'm thinking here

488
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: about other types of gear. Um what else did out

489
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: to you? What another thing that stood out to me?

490
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily negative, but it is kind of funny.

491
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: Is you're you're walking into a booth and it's a

492
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: brand new product that is first you know, it's the

493
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: first time they've ever been to an a t A

494
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: show And I'm gonna use a camouflage company for example.

495
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say the name of it, but

496
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how well it's gonna do. It's one

497
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: of these things where maybe somebody had some money and

498
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: somebody loves hunting so much that they're just like, you

499
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna come up with a camel pattern

500
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be awesome, and it's gonna sell and

501
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna make me a ton of money. Well, I

502
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: walked into the booth and I'm just the first thing

503
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: that popped into my head was, Hey, it's moss yoke

504
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: or that's real tree well it's not. It looks really

505
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: similar to it, but it's but it's not. And you know,

506
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: I went in, I talked to the guys for a

507
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: little bit. They're just like, yeah, this camel pattern and

508
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: they got their hype team with them there, Yes, men

509
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: with them, and oh this is so this camel pattern

510
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: so good. It works for me, it works for everything,

511
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: and it's just like m M, good luck. Yeah. I

512
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: think especially came o, it's such an established marketplace, you know,

513
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: like I feel there's a couple of big players everybody knows.

514
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: And then it seems like you need to have a

515
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: major um clothing manufacturer to be behind a camo for

516
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: it to catch a steam. You know, whence uh Sick

517
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: came out with her opt to fade pattern for their gear,

518
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: or first Light came out with a camouflage for their gear,

519
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: or under Arment now has their own unique cameo. UM

520
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: that can work, it seems like, but I gotta believe

521
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: it'd be tough to just make your own pattern and

522
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: try to start from from zero. UM. That's a tough

523
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: that's a tough sell. There's a lot of companies like

524
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: that though, where you see him come in here and

525
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: and gosh, you're happy for him. It's exciting. They're they're trying,

526
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: but there's some steep, uphill battles for a lot of companies.

527
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 1: With these mega corporations now that own so many these

528
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: brands and throw so many dollars behind development and marketing,

529
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: it's probably getting tougher and tougher for upstarts, do you think, Yeah,

530
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: And I'll give you one example. My good friend Jesse

531
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: Hurley of Sticking Pick. I talked to him and he's

532
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: been in the sticking pick. And for those of you

533
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: who don't know what a sticking pick is, long story short,

534
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: it's a trail camera accessory you can screw into a

535
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: tree or you can It's like a little mini stick

536
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: and you can pick it, stick it right into the

537
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: ground and put your choil camera on it. You don't

538
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: need a tree. I talked to him, and this is

539
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: one of the first years that they've not really been recognized,

540
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: but one of the very first years that they've got.

541
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: They're in the black. You know, they made more money

542
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: than they spent and that took three or four years

543
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: for them. So just imagine what kind of struggle these

544
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: smaller companies have to go through in order to get

545
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: to to you know, to start making money when they're

546
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: doing it by themselves. Yeah. One of the good things

547
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: I guess these days is I think the Internet does

548
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: make it easier for a new company to have a

549
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: platform and get their message out there, probably then before,

550
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: because when there used to be gatekeepers and the formers

551
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: to retailer, you know, if you couldn't get into Cabella's

552
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: or whatever, you might not get hurt at all. We're

553
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: seeing it all Now there's direct consumer sales. Probably opens

554
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: the door for new, smaller companies. So that's nice. Um

555
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: going back to old speaking of small companies or new

556
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: kind of companies that kind of popped up on the scene.

557
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: I think one way that a new company can get

558
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: attention and get a great start as if their product

559
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: is just so different, um, so innovative that it just

560
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: captures people's attention. There's nothing else out there. Um. There

561
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: was one UM product that I saw recently that's kind

562
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: of interesting. It's called Serious and it's a new wind indicator,

563
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: and it essentially it's a battery powered vaporizer that creates

564
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: some type of I really don't even know how it

565
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: creates his favor but essentially looks like steam that comes

566
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: out of this little, tiny, like lighter looking thing, and

567
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: it provides such a very thin light ah smoke that

568
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: you're able to get a very long lasting, consistent wind

569
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: indication on it. So I saw that as kind of neat. Um.

570
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: You know, being able to track your wind is an

571
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: important thing. And the powders work okay, and the little

572
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: cotton puffs work okay. Um, but this one looked pretty

573
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: pretty nice. I don't just see that one, did I

574
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but

575
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: you know it maybe I don't know how big it is.

576
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: Was it like the size of a lighter. Well, it's

577
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: just it's like like I said to you earlier or

578
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: on one of our last podcast, this is my first

579
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: year in like eight years. I didn't bring a camera

580
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: into the tree with me, but I bring my os ONYX,

581
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: and I bring my you know, I bring all this

582
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: other gear with me. And it's just like, I don't

583
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: think I think I'm gonna have to start going to

584
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: a bigger backpack just to carry all this gear that

585
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: is going to help me better. I guess, yeah, there's

586
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: no short there's just stuff we can bring in the

587
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: true of this, that's for sure. Um Oh, speaking of

588
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: other gear, let's keep on running down some of the

589
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: things we saw. Um, Muddy Outdoors has got trail cameras now,

590
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: and you see that they I guess supposedly. This is

591
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: as I understand it, Muddy and Big Game Tree Stands

592
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: are now the same company, were owned by the same company,

593
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: and so Icon Trail Cameras were the trail camera brand

594
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: under Big Game. Now they're rebranding it as Muddy Trail

595
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: Cameras and updating things and changing things, making it smaller

596
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: and you know, better technology supposed but so that's a

597
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: new thing with trail cams um And on the trail

598
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: camera front, also, Moultrie had a big announcement. Ultrie launched

599
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: their multre mobile set up and this was kind of

600
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: cool and that they aren't launching a specific wireless trail camera. Instead,

601
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: they're just releasing a modem that you attached to a camera.

602
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: But it's um It works with almost all of their

603
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: trail cameras in two thousand sixteen and two thousand fifteen,

604
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: so even last year's cameras, almost all these will work

605
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: with this modem. So all you need to do is

606
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 1: get one modem or as many as you want, and

607
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: then you can go attach that to any of your

608
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: old trail cameras they bought last year or one of

609
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: the other various models this year to make that one

610
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: wireless for however long you need it to be. So

611
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: instead of buying a six five wireless camera and you've

612
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: got that one, you know, this might be able to

613
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: give you some flexibility to Okay, I need the wireless

614
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: one here, but I want to use such of such

615
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: camera there, and a little more flexibility, maybe you can

616
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: more affordably get a couple of them. So that was interesting.

617
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: They've got a pretty nice mobile app that I saw

618
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: um when they announced it that um, you know, I

619
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: think all the wireless traild cameras are trying to do

620
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: a better job of the delivery through you know, through

621
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: mobile and email and everything, and it seemed like this

622
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: one and Bushmell's that I've seen seemed pretty slick to um.

623
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: But I like the I like the interface the Moultrie's

624
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: app seemed to have. But I've yet to actually use

625
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: one of the wireless traild cameras, so I need to

626
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: just probably try to get my hands on one and

627
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: get some experience with it, because there's definitely some obvious

628
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: benefits to it would be neat especially when I hunt

629
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: some of these states that are hours and hours and

630
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: hours away from home. It would be nice to be

631
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: able to check those cameras without needing to make the

632
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: seven hour drive, you know. Yeah, I tell you what

633
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: great idea. And if I if I had great service

634
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: to where I could get a cell phone signal, you know,

635
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: to send these trailer camera pictures back to me, that'd

636
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: be awesome. But where I do a majority of my hunting,

637
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: I don't get cell phone service because I'm down in

638
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: the bottom, or I'm on the back side of a

639
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: big ridge, or just completely out in the country where

640
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: there is no cell phone service. For me, I've tried it,

641
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: and for me, it's just something that you can't replace

642
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: driving out there and go and checking them yourself. Yeah,

643
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: the cell phone service is definitely an issue. If you

644
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: don't have that, you're kind of sl um. So looking

645
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: through my little stack of brochures here, that's kind of

646
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: triggering my memory. Another big new announcement this year is

647
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: from Osonics, who we talked about a lot um this year.

648
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: For the first time, I guess ever, they have a

649
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: brand new product to their line, the HR, so it's

650
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: an it's an update on their current ozonics machine. UM.

651
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: From what I understand, it delivers something like forty more

652
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: ozone admitted, so you can get even a better chance

653
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: of that blanketing your scent and converting those molecules. UM.

654
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: It's got some different um power mode. So I don't

655
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: know if you saw, if you have to talk to

656
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: him damn, but kind of automatically will adjust the output

657
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: based on conditions and battery life and everything like that.

658
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: Sounds like an updated battery, better battery life, things like that. UM,

659
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: So it's like a neat device. Also, they've added a

660
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: dry bag or dry washbag I think they're calling it.

661
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: So essentially it's a it's a cloth closet for you

662
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: to hang all your hunting clothes in and put your

663
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: boots and your backpack in, and then your ozonics machine

664
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: inserts into this bag UM and then circulates ozone for

665
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: certain periods of time ten minute intervals I think has said.

666
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: It circulates ozone through all of your clothes and your gear,

667
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: so that essentially ozone washes it again, destroying some of

668
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: that human scent. Um before you head out into the woods.

669
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: So that was cool. And then they also have a

670
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: backpack option where you can attach the ozonics machine in

671
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: a certain position to emit ozone as you walk in

672
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: and out of your stand again to try to help

673
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: control some of that odor as you access an exit.

674
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: So I thought that was pretty cool. I'm hoping to

675
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: try out the dry washbag pretty soon. I like that.

676
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: I do you do? Yeah, I'm definitely a believer ozone

677
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: UM and the dry washbag definitely hang your clothes in there,

678
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: circulate your ozone, you know, get rid of all that scent.

679
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: Tell you what I've been doing, is they they like

680
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: you mentioned, they have that new pack that you can

681
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: you can take it off. You can wear it as

682
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: a Fannie pack, or you can wear it as a

683
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: full setup uh. And you put your your osonics in

684
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: there and there's like a mesh lining and it allows

685
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: the ozone to escape, so while you're walking to your

686
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: stand you can have ozone coverage. I've been doing that

687
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: with my regular pack. I just set my ozone, my

688
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: ozonics on top, and I keep the top of my

689
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: pack open and that's that for me, has seemed to

690
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: work so it's gonna be hard unless they come out

691
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: with a complete pack so that you have to wear

692
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: your pack and their pack and order two to make

693
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: it work. But you know, just like all we make

694
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: things work as bow Hunter, So you know, once we

695
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: get some of these our hands on some of these products,

696
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: we can kind of find the best way to do things. Yeah.

697
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: Speak speaking of scent controllers, a couple of other companies

698
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: that have updates to their scent sprays. Um Hunter Specialties

699
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: came out with a brand new addition to their scent

700
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 1: away lines called their Biostrike Assault formula. Pretty older salt formula,

701
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: quite tactical. Um there's looks like it's built off of

702
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: like the silver technology, which supposed we can help eliminate

703
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: some scent. I know, Code Blue announced a new scent

704
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: elimination brand and technology called I think Decode, and that's

705
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: based on silver technology as well. Um those are the

706
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: two I saw in additional zonics that came to to scent.

707
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't think nose gam Or had anything new this year.

708
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: Did that? Did you see that? I did not? Yeah,

709
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: So so that's the sense side of things. UM. I

710
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: did see one one company that was had a m

711
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: a system kind of like what Hunter Specially came out

712
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: with called Slayer Scent. Just another small company. Um, I

713
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: tried to have a conversation with the guy, but he

714
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: didn't seem like he wanted to talk to me. That

715
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: happened a lot in your life, damn every day. That's

716
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, that's funny. When I first started coming and

717
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I guess it's understandable, and these

718
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: guys have a million different people trying to talk to him.

719
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: But you definitely do get the people who you walk

720
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: up to and then you see their eyes dart down

721
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: to your badge and trying to say is this person

722
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: important enough for me to talk to or not this

723
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: guy gonna make me money? Yeah? Yeah, and usually look

724
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: down to mine and then blow me off. So it

725
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: is what it is. Um. Other interesting new gears we

726
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: keep on going down the line. Ryan Hart, who has

727
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: always made three D targets, for the first time is

728
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: making decoys. Um, this was kind of interesting. They're kind

729
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: of a a two D three D hybrid, so you know,

730
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: is the typical full three D decoy like your boss

731
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: box or something, and then there's the two D models

732
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: like Montana decoy, which are just like the thin um

733
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: foldable silhouette type style decoy. This is kind of in

734
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: between her. It's not the full thick three D it's

735
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: like two inches thick um, so it gives it a

736
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: little more body appearance, I guess, a little bit. But

737
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: it's small enough and thin enough that you can break

738
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: it apart and pack it a little more easily than

739
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: the great big three D models. Um. That's my only

740
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: complaint with my decoy that I have is just it's

741
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: so big and bulky, and anytime any plastic is plastic,

742
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: it just echoes, makes a lot of noise. So this

743
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: might be helpful from that standpoint. And what it has,

744
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: like I said, it's it's uh, several pieces thicker than

745
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: just a silhouette, but still pretty thin. Stakes in the ground,

746
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: and then it has swivels on the neck and head

747
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: and maybe the back hips that will allow it to

748
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: move a little bit in the wind. The whole neck,

749
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: head and ear sections, so like a hinge on a door. Yeah,

750
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: that that's a good way to describe it. So that

751
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: looks kind of cool. Um, did you did you see that?

752
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: In Yes, I did. I was hoping I was hoping

753
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: you'd have more on it. We'll roll with uh. De

754
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: other another news, Redneck Blinds did have some updates. I saw, Um,

755
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: they've got a new soft side blinds available. So right

756
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: now they had that hay bail blinds and the hard

757
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: hard sided fiberglass box blinds. But now they've got like

758
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: a soft sided cloth blind option that you can either

759
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: mount elevating in the stand or have on the ground.

760
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: Still the metal frame and kind of heavy duty materials,

761
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: but that was pretty nice. And that was a lot

762
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: more affordable. Um where their fiberglass box blinds are. You know,

763
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: it's an investment. This was more like the I think

764
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: four or something, So that's much more you know, reasonable.

765
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: I guess if you're trying to outfit it, property and

766
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: budget is an issue. Um. So that's something I saw. Uh.

767
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: There's a million different companies making try act ins and

768
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: supplements and all that. You know. Big and J has

769
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: some new things, Analogics has some new things, Primos has

770
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 1: some new attractants, Wild Game Innovations has got something new

771
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: every day. Um Moultrie has got something called pecan pie

772
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: that sounded kind of tasty. I don't know what about

773
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: you when you see yeah, and that's uh, one company

774
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in because this analogic company that I'm

775
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: interested in actually doing the interview when I interview them,

776
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: is seeing some of the science behind behind some of

777
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: these mineral companies and um, what they can do to

778
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: benefit the health of of the deer, not just claim

779
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: antler growth, but make your herd stronger, your herd health stronger. Yeah, definitely,

780
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: there's there's Yeah. I always kind of bounced back and

781
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: forth on how much a supplemental feed like that can help.

782
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: I think in order for it to be a a

783
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: noticeable make a noticeable difference, you have to be, you know,

784
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: providing it in pretty large quantities that make it tough

785
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: for for maybe the average guy or girl to afford.

786
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: But if you can, I mean, it would be interesting

787
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: to hear more about what they're doing and see how

788
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: how beneficial it can be. Um. To date, I've I've

789
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: always just used things is it an attractive for my

790
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: trail cameras, But shoot, if it can help your your

791
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: dear herd too, that's that's a good thing. Um. Speaking

792
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: of antlers, you just mentioned antlers are triggered another memory

793
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: for me. There's a new piece of gear from Wild

794
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: Wild Game Innovations. I think it's called the trophy tape.

795
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: Did you see that one? It's it's doesn't look like

796
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: you did, and you've got a confused look on your face.

797
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: Now I've seen it, but it's not from Wild Game Innovations.

798
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: I don't know real helpful. Essentially, what it is is

799
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: it's it's adhesive tape. So it's a tape measure um

800
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: that allows you to just tape the edges all the

801
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: times the main beams the circumference of all the of

802
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: all the of of your antlers to get the scores

803
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: that you need, the numbers you need to score your deer. Well,

804
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: now you can do this without needing a calculator. You

805
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: just lay each piece of tape on the tyn or

806
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: on the main being wherever it is, and then you

807
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: know it marks that that amount of of inches and

808
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: then you can just right there easily see your score. So,

809
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: if you're a guy or girl that doesn't like using

810
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: your own tape measure moving all around taping it, adding

811
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: everything together, this seemed like a slightly easier way to

812
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: do it, although it looks like, you know, there's only

813
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: so many times you could use it because it's adhesive,

814
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: and I don't think you could re use it. I

815
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: think I said there's six of tape, so if you

816
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: live in Michigan, that might get you six deer if

817
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: you live if you live in Iowa might get you

818
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: two and a half. So that that product not important

819
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 1: to me right now because I have to worry about

820
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: killing it dear first, that's true. We need dan well,

821
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: you can weigh your dear you get you've got some

822
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: does so we can get a trophy trophy weight. I

823
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: guess I didn't see that product you. Um, I'm trying

824
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: to think here what else stood out to me? Like

825
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: you said, there's there's all the camell gear companies new

826
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: stuff on those fronts. I didn't see a whole lot

827
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: of new on the clothing standpoint. Um as I think

828
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: through Sika has got a few new things, but no major,

829
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: no major new updates this year since last year was

830
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: the huge white Tail relaunched. They've got a new fanatic

831
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: light bibbs to go along with their jacket and a

832
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: new fanatic like vest um so that if you need

833
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: something for slightly more moderate climates. Um, that's a good option.

834
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: Um Oh tree stands you see anything new on the

835
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: tree stand front. I can, and I remember seeing Muddy

836
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: Head a new tree stand um with like the the

837
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of hammock style type seat, the cloth seat, not

838
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: a big cushion seat, but the kind of sling seat

839
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: that's um like a price points to be a little

840
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: more affordable. Oh, I remember something this. Did you see

841
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: the vine tree stands from Summit So Summer brand tree

842
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 1: Stands has launched a whole new line that they're branding

843
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: as the Vine Tree Dance, And essentially what they're trying

844
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: to do is remove all straight lines from their ladders,

845
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: from their sticks, from the tree stands so that it

846
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: looks like a vine on the tree. So the ladder

847
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: stand instead of having your typical straight you know what

848
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: a ladder looks like. It kind of looks like, I

849
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: don't even how to describe other than I guess kind

850
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: of like a vine. There's all your different spots where

851
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: you can put your feet, but it's curly and winding

852
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: and meandering and really strange looking, so that when you're

853
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: walking through the tree, you're walking through the woods. Other

854
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: hunters aren't going to be able to see your tree stand,

855
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: and hopefully deer won't know so straight strange edges either,

856
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: so kind of a cool different way to go about it. UM.

857
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: I saw that was kind of interested. Another thing I saw,

858
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: speaking of Summit, somebody I was talking to had shared

859
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: a couple of these things with me that I never knew,

860
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know if this is new

861
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: or this has just been with Summit tree stands forever

862
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: and I just never knew. Um, But they have this

863
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: I guess proprietary technology on their seats, their cushioned seats

864
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: that's essentially the same stuff that CrOx uses for their shoes.

865
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: I I'm not afraid to admit that I love Crocs.

866
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: They're really comfortable. UM. So they've got these seats that

867
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: essentially feel like you're sitting on the same material as Crocs,

868
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: but it it doesn't absorb moisture, so we'll never be wet,

869
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: and squirrels and other rodents don't show it. So that

870
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: seems like a really cool thing, given those are major issues.

871
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: I hate having a wet seat when I get to

872
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: my tree stand, and I hate having it all chewed

873
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: the heck up by squirrel. So that's I've never tried

874
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: some of tree stands personally, but that kind of was

875
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: intriguing to me. So yeah, from the tree stand side

876
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: of things, I had a good conversation with one of

877
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: the guys who works for XOP and if you're not

878
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: familiar with extreme outdoor products, they are, See how do

879
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: I put this? They used to have they they made

880
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: the original lone Wolf, they sold lone Wolf. Now they

881
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: came out with another tree stand that has all the

882
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: upgrades that one would want to a lone Wolf. So like, uh,

883
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're lone will stick or

884
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: any stick for that matter, is at an angle. If

885
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: it's wet or if there's snow on it, your boot

886
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: can kind of slip off because it's a straight line.

887
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: Well on their stick they have it's that that step

888
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: has been not only lengthened, but there's been a curve

889
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: designed into that, so your boot rests right in the

890
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: center of it. There um that V that V bracket

891
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: on the back of this stick has been um like

892
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: the angle has been shortened, which removes it further from

893
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: the tree, meaning you can get your boot further onto

894
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: the step. And they have a locking mechanism on their sticks,

895
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: so when they stack their sticks, you don't need a

896
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: strap you can when you shut down the actual step.

897
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: On the back side of the stick, there's a bracket

898
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: that clips onto the next stick below it, allowing it

899
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: to stack up without mean to use straps. So I

900
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty interesting. Nice. Yeah, I've been intrigued

901
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: by the XOP products. I've yet to try them, but

902
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: a couple of my buddies in Iowa that I hunt near,

903
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: they did, and they seem to like him a lot.

904
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: Um And I think they're a little bit less expensive

905
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: than Lone Wolf, right, I think like twenty or thirty bucks. Yeah,

906
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: the only thing I that I one of the reasons

907
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: I bought a new tree stand this year. Um And

908
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: I was between and gettingn XOP or Lone Wolf, and

909
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: I ended up going with the Lone Wolf because they've

910
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: got the smaller version of their hang on stand, the

911
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: assault version. That's that I really like. So Lone Wolf

912
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: has got their two main hang on versions. Um And

913
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: I really like that small one, and XLP doesn't seem

914
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: to have one that same size. They kind of have

915
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: the standard size. UM. I like the smaller stand, the smaller,

916
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: the lighter weight. It's you know, it's only like eleven pounds.

917
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: Or ten pounds of so many ounces. So because I'm

918
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, like you running and gunning a lot these days, now,

919
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: that was something that I ended up going with. But

920
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: XP is definitely intriguing. Um, I don't know, have you

921
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: seen that? Yeah, I'll tell you what. There's another company

922
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: out there, and I God, I wish I knew the name.

923
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: I have their business card in my in my pack

924
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: over there. But it's a stick. It's a stack of

925
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: sticks and I don't think there's a tree stand with

926
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: them yet, but it's just sticks. So what you do

927
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: is you, um, the actual bracket that attaches to the

928
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: tree folds up, makes for easy stacking. But you put

929
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: the stick on the tree, you tighten the top one

930
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: and then you pull the bottom of the stick out

931
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: and then you drop the bracket against the tree and

932
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: it prevents the the stick from sliding down once when

933
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: you step on it. So you know, like on the

934
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: Lone Wolf sticks or or the Muddy sticks or any

935
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: other real stick you put on the tree, you step

936
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: on it and there's that first couple inches for it

937
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: to settle. That doesn't happen with this stick. So that's

938
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: kind of I would love to get my hands on

939
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: one of those and try to test it out. Yeah,

940
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: have you ever had with any of these climbing sticks

941
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: where the where if you step on the bottom rung

942
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: and you I think both on Muddy and Lone Wolf,

943
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: and I think most of the other climbing sticks I've

944
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: seem they attached to the tree by up at a

945
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: up at a strap or something at the top third

946
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: of the stick. So if you step on the bottom

947
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: rung sometimes that will swing out. Have you ever had

948
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: that happen? Yes, that that happens quite a bit actually,

949
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: especially on crooked trees. Yeah. So if there's some way

950
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: that a company could fix that problem, that would be nice,

951
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: because I've had a couple of little, slightly scary situations

952
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: where if you step on it a weird angle and

953
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: push out, and if it's not really firmly settled in,

954
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: that stick will just swing off. And then once any

955
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: part of that stick comes off the tree, then it

956
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: loses all that tension that's holding the whole thing steady. Um,

957
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: and then it gets a little sketchy. Yeah, and it

958
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: makes noise. But back to that, back to that plat

959
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: or that stick that I just talked about. The other

960
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: cool feature about it is there's no metal on metal contact,

961
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: so parts of it are plastic and parts of it

962
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: are are hard plastic, parts of it are metal, so

963
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: there's no clinking and lining when you're taking him off

964
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: your stand. That's huge, That's huge. I wish more, you know,

965
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: that's something I wish more tree stand companies would focus on,

966
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: is making those parts quiet, Like how can we can't

967
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: get a tree stand that has some type of rubberized

968
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: coating over some of the different edges or something. I

969
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: don't I haven't seen anything that does a really good

970
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: job of avoiding those clanks. And that's one thing that

971
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: I saw a d I y guy, he owned a

972
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: truck bedlining company, like those spray on rubberized I think

973
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: he dipped his tree stand in that. I thought that

974
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: was one of the greatest ideas ever. And and you know,

975
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: I know that would be a huge um task for

976
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: any tree stand company to try to do that to

977
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 1: their company or to their tree stand like dip or

978
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: some kind of soft coding for that. But it would

979
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: it reduced all his noise, he said, And it would

980
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: take some time and energy, and you know, obviously that

981
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: step would increase the price of um of the tree stands.

982
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: But man, if somebody came out with something like that,

983
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: that would be amazing. Well talking about like small companies

984
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: that are trying to get noticed in this industry. If

985
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: one of you guys or girls can come up with

986
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: that technology and bring that to the A T A

987
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: Show next next year, I promise we will get you

988
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: a lot of attention because that would get me really excited.

989
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be pretty pumped about that. So I think, Dan,

990
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: we are going to have to shut this down because

991
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: we need to get going to the show quick. Is

992
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: there anything else that you think is worth noting? Any

993
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: the other products that we haven't talked that really stood

994
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: out or have we covered them? No. A majority of

995
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: these companies go to local your state classics as well,

996
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: so especially if they're close. So look for you know,

997
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: if you go to the A T A, if you

998
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: go to the A T A webshop website and look

999
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: at the floor plan and look and see who is

1000
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: at this show, and or if it's a company that

1001
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: you're loyal to and you followed over the years, or

1002
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: you've seen some new product um or company that you've

1003
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: noticed through advertising or marketing and you want to find

1004
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,479
Speaker 1: out more about them and where they're gonna be. Visit

1005
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: their websites, and I'm pretty sure they'll tell you what

1006
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: trade shows they're gonna go to so you can get

1007
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: your hands on the product. I know that for me,

1008
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: and I know I think for you as well. Before

1009
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: we make purchases, we want to touch, feel, and hold

1010
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: these products in our hands, and going to your local

1011
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: Deer Classic or any any other trade shows that these

1012
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: companies might go to could be beneficial for you. Yeah,

1013
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: it's just fun. Usually those shows are usually like February

1014
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: or Marks or January. I guess when you're you know,

1015
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: fresh off of deer hunting season, but already looking forward

1016
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: to the next one. So that's a good way to

1017
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: get a little bit of a deer hunting fixed. So

1018
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: I know, uh, hopefully I'll be able to make the

1019
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: Ohio Dear Classic. And I've always want to go to

1020
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: the Aisle One. I've never been, but I've heard it's

1021
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: pretty cool. So I think with that we will wrap

1022
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: up this quick a t A update show. I hope

1023
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: it was kind of interesting for you guys to little

1024
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: get a little bit of a sneak peek into what

1025
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: goes on at this great, big show, interesting stuff, and

1026
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 1: we've got one more day here. We'll try to cover

1027
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: some stuff on social media, which I'm sure by the

1028
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 1: time you listen to this you might have already seen.

1029
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: So with that said, we will not beat around the bush.

1030
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: We'll just shut it all down. We do want to

1031
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: thank our partners though, who have helped make the wire

1032
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: Hunt podcast possible. So big thank you too, Sick of Gear, Trophy,

1033
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Hunt Terror Maps, Ozonics, Carbon Express,

1034
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tail Institute of North America.

1035
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: Please help the wire Hunt podcast by supporting these companies

1036
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: and letting them know that you enjoy the show. That's

1037
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: a huge help. So most important, thank you all. Finally

1038
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: for joining us. Uh, we appreciate it. It's the star

1039
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: of a new year, so we're excited for two thousand

1040
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: and sixteen. We hope you are too, and we hope

1041
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: that you'll stay wired to Hunt.