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Speaker 1: The jump from year one to year two. Welcome Bird Gang.

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Speaker 1: On today's show, Paul calvic He joins me, we're talking

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Speaker 1: bj Ojularia, the second round pick going into his second

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Speaker 1: season and wearing a second different number. How much better

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Speaker 1: will bjb wearing number nine? And why number nine? Also,

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Speaker 1: Budda Baker wants to be a Cardinal. Jeff Rogers predicts

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Speaker 1: a big increase in kickoff returns. All ahead as we

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Speaker 1: enter the final week of OT eights at Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: Episode seven sixty three, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Budda Baker? What Heart? What rent?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again.

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Speaker 3: More Hurry, Magic Wow.

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig Trailer.

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Speaker 1: In the words of Justin Jones, one of the many

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Speaker 1: new faces on the roster, it's hot. It's very hot,

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Speaker 1: and Paul, it was hot the final week of OTA's

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Speaker 1: on Monday, ninety two degrees. At the start of practice,

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Speaker 1: I believe it hit a high of ninety five. Typically

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Speaker 1: that's that's not that hot here in the Arizona Desert.

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Speaker 1: It is for those players who aren't familiar with the

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Speaker 1: Arizona heat. Yet it was stifling hot. There was hardly

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Speaker 1: a breeze to be had, and that's where it was

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Speaker 1: a little uncomfortable for us. And yes, we were in

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Speaker 1: the shade, many of us in polos and shorts and

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Speaker 3: Okay, now the media members who were in shorts, and

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Speaker 3: you know who you are.

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Speaker 1: Again, I'll raise my hand. I got no problem raising

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Speaker 1: my hand, you know, more power to you.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, you know, as the saying goes from the

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Speaker 3: hippies days back in Berkeley, Summer of Love, let your

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Speaker 3: freak flag fly right. Usually that was in regards the

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Speaker 3: I do Arizona favor by keeping trousers on and slacks,

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Speaker 3: So that's my favorite. Everyone in the media, you're welcome.

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Speaker 3: But there's something about the Arizona heat where there is

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Speaker 3: one surefire, tried and stewed way to actually deal with

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Speaker 3: the heat better than others. And that's when somebody else

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Speaker 3: It's not nearly as stifling or as uncomfortable or as

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Speaker 3: vexing to you when you're a veteran of the heat

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Speaker 3: as it is when you watch someone experiencing it for

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Speaker 3: and the draft picks who have never been to Asy

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Speaker 3: guess what we bask in the fact that you think

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Speaker 1: And I've got bad news for Justin and everyone else.

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Speaker 1: The high of Wednesday one oh seven, I believe that's

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and Thursday and the Arizona Heat before mandatory mini camp.

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Speaker 1: Now OTAs we were able to see the first twenty

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Speaker 1: have not seen much this offseason. That was number sixty eight,

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Speaker 1: Kelvin Beacham and attendance which I believe he has done

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Speaker 3: He's a busy guy, you know, he's a dad. He's

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Speaker 1: And he's already doing that. If you follow Beach on

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Speaker 3: They were leading the news with dangerous heat index and

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Speaker 3: because I'd really love to know what the aftermath the

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Speaker 3: how brutal that those two days were. And kudos to

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Speaker 3: there's no doubt about it. The joint practices at night,

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Speaker 3: gotta pace myself around here, Craig, Okay, it was good.

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Speaker 3: There's just something about football at night, going back to

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Speaker 1: And a couple of those practices in flag Staff were

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Speaker 1: The night practice was really the goal line situation. Full pads,

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Speaker 3: The good part about the night practice in Indianapolis is

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Speaker 3: now Danny Sirek and Darren Urban are free to take

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Speaker 1: Are they aware that this is on their schedule? Come

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Speaker 3: Duly noted.

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Speaker 1: All right, Some other notes from the head coach, Jonathan Gannon.

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Speaker 1: John Gaines a favorite of our colleague Danny Surrek. We've

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Speaker 1: seen John Gaines on the practice field, just not participating.

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Speaker 1: But according to JG. Yes Gaines, we'll be ready for

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Speaker 1: all of last, who's the.

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Speaker 3: Executive producer of this edition to cover two? Is it

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Speaker 3: Danny Surrek? Because for you to lead the update desk

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Speaker 3: with a John Gaines report smacks of Danny Sirek with

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Gaines was gonna have a role

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Speaker 3: Cap I'm going to match the John Gaines with an

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Speaker 1: Big mo oh boy, big mole. Mark Now, who is

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Speaker 3: Big mole Marquis Hayes, I think is going to be

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Speaker 1: Maybe we just got to put John Gains and Marquis

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Speaker 3: There's only one roster spot between the two of you.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of roster spots, we know Marvin Harrison Junior is

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Speaker 1: NFL game, But it's always better, as Bruce Arians like

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Speaker 3: So a question for you when Jonathan Gannon mentioned that

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Speaker 3: dragging because of what you did on your off time. Right,

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Speaker 3: that's a part of the rookie learning curve.

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Speaker 1: you have to have that relaxation or at least something

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Speaker 3: Yes, quote was I treat every year like a contract year.

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Speaker 3: And you know what, that's accurate. Not every player can

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Speaker 3: We all know Buddha Baker. We all know every play

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker, and that's why pound for pound, there isn't

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Speaker 3: after games last year say hey, Buddha, we weren't coming

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Speaker 3: Nick Rolis is devising more ingenious ways to take advantage

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Speaker 1: How do you measure Buddha's impact on the Arizona Cardinals?

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Speaker 1: And typically, you know you hear that quarterback or the

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Speaker 1: Yet he is doing almost what many of those lockdown

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Speaker 3: Patrick Peterson used to use the term witness protection when

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Speaker 3: So look, if you're able to rotate a Buddha Baker

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Speaker 3: I'm still a little steamed by this serious XM NFL

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Speaker 3: be gratifying to see Jalen Thompson and Buddha Baker get

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Speaker 3: And internally with the Cardinals and Cardinals fans no just

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Speaker 1: By the way, I think even if you had the

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll print it out and I'll bring it to

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Speaker 1: more consistency with that pass rush as far as making

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Speaker 1: that quarterback feel uncomfortable in the pocket. And I don't

435
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Speaker 1: think we saw that on a consistent basis a year ago,

436
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Speaker 1: especially at the tail end of the season. Last six games,

437
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 1: not a single sack go registered by a Cardinals defender.

438
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Speaker 3: And it's more than just having the size and speed.

439
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 3: You have to have the move, and you have to

440
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Speaker 3: have the counter move. And so in an offseason, there's

441
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 3: something you can do in terms of refining your craft

442
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 3: as a pass rusher, it's developing that secondary or even

443
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 3: third move because offensive tackles and Kyle Vannibosch talks about

444
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Speaker 3: this on the Red Sea Report at length. You know

445
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 3: they're studying you. They're studying every move you have. And

446
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Speaker 3: Kyle Vanibosch recently told a story of how he played

447
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Speaker 3: with a starting tackle on his own team. They gave

448
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 3: up two sacks to the backup because he had studied

449
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Speaker 3: all week. The primary pass rusher wasn't that familiar with

450
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Speaker 3: the backup. So once again, it's testimony that if you

451
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Speaker 3: can keep it fresh and bring elements to your pass

452
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 3: rush that aren't as predictable or at least they don't

453
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Speaker 3: know when it's coming. Not everyone can be Dwight Freey

454
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Speaker 3: and hit the spin button and it be effective en

455
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Speaker 3: route to a Hall of Fame career. Not everyone has

456
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 3: that Mariano rivera single pitch that's gonna work every time

457
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 3: and lead to greatness. So I'm also curious as to

458
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Speaker 3: what he's added to his repertoire. Same with Avian Collins

459
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Speaker 3: and okay, what's the countermove? Once you get tied up, Yes,

460
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 3: you have the size and the speed and the strength

461
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 3: but so do these offensive tackles, and they're great technicians

462
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Speaker 3: as well.

463
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Speaker 1: You bring up Dwight Freena. I'm glad you did, because

464
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Speaker 1: I was curious. Last year was the first season since

465
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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen in which the Arizona Cardinals did not have

466
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Speaker 1: a player register ten or more sacks, and a season

467
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Speaker 1: wow twenty fifteen, Dwight freeenie eight sacks and the Cardinals

468
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: won thirteen games that season. So the correlation between sacks

469
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Speaker 1: and wins maybe not so much because that Cardinals team

470
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Speaker 1: only had thirty six. Cardinals a year ago had thirty three.

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Speaker 1: But are you affecting the quarterback? I'd love to go

472
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Speaker 1: back and do a deeper dive as far all right, Freeeny, Well,

473
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Speaker 1: you have to account for where he is on the

474
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Speaker 1: football field, even at that later stage of his career.

475
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: Cardinals didn't have that a year ago. But hopefully that

476
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Speaker 1: is Bjjulori now wearing number nine, in his words, a

477
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 1: mutual agreement between him and MHJ. As far as the jersey,

478
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: eighteen now goes to Marvin and now BJ warring number nine,

479
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: a number he wore as a youth football and he does.

480
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Speaker 1: He does look a lot bigger and those. Yeah, and

481
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Speaker 1: that single digit, so maybe that's a maybe that plays

482
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Speaker 1: a factor in this as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe he hasn't put all the on all

484
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Speaker 3: the sides, maybe just the single digit. He looks bigger

485
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 3: at there. Maybe that is a factor. And yeah, I

486
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 3: guess there were a lot of people involved, not only

487
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: the equipment staff, but they had to get Dezen Ridder

488
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Speaker 3: into it because then b Joe Jeli had to go

489
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Speaker 3: to nine and Ritter had to give up nine and

490
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Speaker 3: what is Ridder now? Nineteen nineteen nineteen, So okay, it

491
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 3: was a process. They got it done and at some

492
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Speaker 3: point you'd be able to buy Marvin Irrison Junior's jersey.

493
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Speaker 3: But I think go Jel looks great in nine. It's

494
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Speaker 3: a single digit. Kids love the single digits these days,

495
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Speaker 3: so boom, why not? I think it was a pretty

496
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Speaker 3: good trade off for him, and what's even better for him,

497
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 3: Ballall Nichols, Justin Jones, Dante Stills in year two. By

498
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: the way, Dante Still is another name that keeps coming

499
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: up when I ask who looks good out there, who

500
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: looks like they've taken the next step, And Jonathan Gannon

501
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 3: brought up Dante Stills on his own with the media

502
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: in terms of Okay, now he knows the playbook, cold

503
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: doesn't have to worry about positioning, alignment, assignment. Now he

504
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 3: can worry about oh the guard maybe that's a little

505
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 3: bit of a tell the way as his hand position,

506
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: or look at the way the backs are said, Okay,

507
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: that's going the other way, or it's coming my way.

508
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 3: I can cheat a little bit this way. So Dante

509
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: still has getting a lot of props from insiders at

510
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 3: Cardinals camp. But once again then he had to Darius Robinson.

511
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: We heard how a fuse of the praise was from

512
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Speaker 3: Justin Jones about Darius Robinson. He said, just what are

513
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Speaker 3: your first impressions on the first round rookie And he said,

514
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 3: forget about the fact that he's a great athlete that's

515
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Speaker 3: going to come.

516
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: He knows ball.

517
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Speaker 3: He really knows what he's looking at. And as a

518
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Speaker 3: rookie year, a veteran say that, that's really encouraging. It

519
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Speaker 3: makes you think, Okay, he can have an impactokie year

520
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 3: because he's mentally equipped. You know, he has the physicality

521
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: and he has the skill set. So all right, now,

522
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: if you're Bjo Jelai and Xavin Collins and Dennis Gardek

523
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 3: and company. That's great news because if that interior d

524
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Speaker 3: line is fortified, man, that's and that's something obviously you

525
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 3: did not have the last six games, Craig, and we

526
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 3: all know it. The Cardinals D line room was so

527
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: banged up by the last month month plus of the season.

528
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Speaker 3: They with all honesty, if we're in the trust tree,

529
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 3: they had practice squad dudes starting games and so do

530
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: you think that was a factor not getting into the quarterback. Absolutely,

531
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Speaker 3: So you fortify and build up that room, and you

532
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: figure it's got to translate to more sacks. As a

533
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 3: front seven, if you can have Justin Jones, Balon Nichols, LJ. Collier,

534
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: Darius Robinson, guys that stay healthy and have a nice rotation,

535
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: then you're keeping things. You're keeping that offensive line on

536
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 3: their toes not knowing exactly who's coming at them at

537
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 3: a given time. That front seven, you can keep those

538
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 3: guys fresh to wear. Fourth quarter, you need to stop,

539
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 3: you need to take away. You more apt to get

540
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: it because you're not having to play seventy seventy five

541
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 3: snaps maybe if you had to, because well, you had

542
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: no one else behind you. I mean think of what

543
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: the Cardinals did to teams on offense a year ago,

544
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 3: whether it was the forty nine ers rushing for more

545
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: than two hundred yards Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Seattle at the very

546
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: end of the year. Do you think that, if those

547
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: teams are being honest, were their d line rooms gas

548
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 3: by the fourth quarter? Look at the Cardinals yards per carrying,

549
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: how many rushing yards they put on the board in

550
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 3: the second half and the fourth quarter in December and January.

551
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 3: So to your point, Craig, the fact that Cardinals coaches

552
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 3: and JG himself, they're adamant about using rotation up front,

553
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: keeping those guys fresh, so when they're in the game,

554
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,239
Speaker 3: you get their best that they're not just sort of,

555
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 3: you know, trying to survive out there, but they're really

556
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 3: bringing them all and they're able to do that the

557
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: entire the game because you have a healthy rotation going.

558
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 3: I think that's something that manifested itself the end of

559
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: last season, and you saw a posing defense's drag against

560
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 3: the Cardinals offense.

561
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Speaker 1: Guys who know the game, no ball and have a

562
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: high football IQ. Now, all that means nothing when it

563
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: comes to the brand new kickoff role, because no one

564
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: and I repeat, no one knows what to expect when

565
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: you have longtime special teams coordinator Jeff Rogers say, and

566
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: I quote, this thing is totally different than anything we've

567
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: ever coached, and he is dead serious. Somewhat similar to

568
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: what the XFL did. There are some differences and some

569
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: major differences, but it does sound like this is going

570
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: to be a lot of trial and error feedback from

571
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Speaker 1: the players on the field looking at what other teams

572
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: decide to do. I believe there was a story out

573
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: of Kansas City that maybe the Chiefs looked for a

574
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Speaker 1: position player to do kickoffs because you don't need that

575
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: big leg of a Harrison Bucker, because you don't want

576
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: to go into the end zone and have the drive

577
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: start at the thirty, but you're kicking it shorter inside

578
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: the twenty, and then an extra position player all the

579
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: way back at the forty or excuse me, at the

580
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Speaker 1: thirty five. Now, all of a sudden, you have someone

581
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Speaker 1: that can get to a return man and it's not

582
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: the kicker who maybe not as athletic or fast to

583
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: make sure that it's not a kickoff return for a touchdown.

584
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Speaker 3: Although if the Chiefs are looking for a reason to

585
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: move from Harrison Bucker.

586
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: There's plenty of reasons to do that.

587
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: There might be cause and effect there, So I mean

588
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: think about this. Fair catches are no longer allowed. Any

589
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: ball caught in the field to play must be returned.

590
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: Jeff Rogers, Cardinal special teams coordinator, said he expects the

591
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: number of kickoff returns to at least triple from low

592
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 3: twenty percent to over sixty percent of kickoffs we'll be

593
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: to return, yes, yes, and more Yes, we're all here

594
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: for it. More football, please, more action instead, as Dennis

595
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: Gardax said, I got to run the length of the

596
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: field for a touchback. No, nobody's down with that. Fans

597
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: aren't down with that. Why have a dead play? If

598
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: that's what it becomes, make the rule change, make it matter,

599
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: make it be entertaining, and make teams play football. And

600
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Speaker 3: so it's interesting to hear some of the theories that

601
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: you know what, because it's such a short area. In fact,

602
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: Jeff Rodgers, it really resonated with said, the return team

603
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: and the cover team will be closer in proximity than

604
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: me to you in the press conference room. So it

605
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: really drives it home how close they're going to be

606
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Speaker 3: and for that reason, look for a lot of teams

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Speaker 3: initially to probably use bigger players, especially the return team,

608
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Speaker 3: try and get physical, maybe treat it like thirty two dive.

609
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: I mean, here it comes, bullyball. On a kickoff return,

610
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: We're just gonna get physical and plow right through you.

611
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: We're gonna look for the one hundred and eight dB

612
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: and guess what, that's the dude. That's the guy we're

613
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: gonna make as the d lineman called the fish the

614
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: worst offensive lineman. We're going to target the fish. Well,

615
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: we're gonna find the fish on the kickoff team and

616
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: we're gonna go right through that guy. So I'm curious

617
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: all the different strategy that's gonna be involved, and I

618
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: think I think some teams are gonna look really good

619
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: and some teams are going to look really bad. And

620
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: it's gonna expose a coaching staff to see just how

621
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Speaker 3: prepared you are to start the season.

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Speaker 1: Rogers gave a great example on a return in which

623
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Speaker 1: as the return team, you're to block someone and mention

624
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: that no, it was on the coverage. As you're running downfield,

625
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: you're a signed to do to block someone or to

626
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: get through a block, and the way they were positioned

627
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: and turned, all of a sudden there went the return

628
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: guy right by him. So their technique had to be

629
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: adjusted because again five yards separating the coverage team and

630
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: the return team, and that's it. And all of a sudden,

631
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: if you are able to break one or two tackles,

632
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: maybe just one tackle, then all of a sudden, you're

633
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: at the plus forty plus forty five for a drive

634
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: to start. Where I think if this does go sideways

635
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: for some teams that just don't have the coverage ability,

636
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: they will just kick it out of the end zone

637
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: and say, look, you're starting at the thirty. That's a

638
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: five yard improvement from the previous rule of a twenty

639
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: five yard line. But we can't afford forty yard starts

640
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: for your drives. We'll give you the thirty and just

641
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: take it from there with the defense. But I'm very

642
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: curious in how the different strategies, how this is going

643
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: to look, and to your point, which teams come out

644
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: of the gate with something, which teams maybe hold something

645
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: back for a better opponent maybe in Week three, week four,

646
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Speaker 1: And do we see different return men, do we see

647
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Speaker 1: someone that's not a quote unquote kicker, get this play

648
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Speaker 1: started off to begin a game, or to begin a half,

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Speaker 1: or after a score.

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Speaker 3: I mean high school soccer player, Christian Jones, you might

651
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: have to step up, you know, at six ' five,

652
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: three h five backup tackle rookie dude out of Texas

653
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Speaker 3: might have to be the Cardinals kicker and then come

654
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Speaker 3: down and cover force with all three hundred pounds of

655
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Speaker 3: rookie athleticism. No, seriously, if you're allowed up to to

656
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Speaker 3: kickoff returners unlike the XFL or UFL or whatever this

657
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: thing debuted. So if you're to pick two kickoff returners

658
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Speaker 3: right now, I'm gonna guess DJ Dallas just because he's

659
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Speaker 3: an experienced return man, and it might be easy to

660
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Speaker 3: say Greg Dortsch. But if this is a more confined

661
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Speaker 3: space and more of a big man's game on kickoff return,

662
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Speaker 3: I'm wondering if you automatically plug Trey Benson in there,

663
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Speaker 3: especially to your point, if you get to the quote

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Speaker 3: second level, if you will, and who's back there as

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Speaker 3: a safety valve maybe nobody? Then you want a home

666
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Speaker 3: run hit with finishing speed. I could see Trey Benson

667
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Speaker 3: with his size and those rookie legs and his sub

668
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Speaker 3: four four forty being really effective on kickoff return.

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Speaker 1: Haven't seen it a lot, at least during the open

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Speaker 1: portion of practice, and I haven't seen Benson out there

671
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Speaker 1: even on as far as the punt return. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the player right there that has the size

673
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Speaker 1: the speed. So it's the combination that, like Greg DERs

674
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Speaker 1: is perfect, He's got the speed, he just doesn't have

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Speaker 1: the size. Now could that be an advantage for him

676
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Speaker 1: depending on what the coverage unit looks like, or is

677
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Speaker 1: it just a detriment because he just doesn't have the

678
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Speaker 1: physicality because of his size to break a tackle or

679
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Speaker 1: get through someone who might be six ' five to

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Speaker 1: forty five. Because there got outside linebackers as opposed to

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Speaker 1: DB's and wide receivers on that coverage unit.

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Speaker 3: Well you heard Jeff Rogers joke that Will Hernandez volunteered

683
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Speaker 3: to be on kickoffs, So that says it all right,

684
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: there much shorter space, you don't have to run all

685
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: the way down the field, a lot of bigger dudes

686
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 3: out there able to get physical. So with that in mind,

687
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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's great scenario for Greg Dortch.

688
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: And guess what if he's going to be your primary

689
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: slot receiver. To start the season, we had Garrett Williams

690
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: in the Big Red Rage. We aske him, okay, Garrett,

691
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: who's look good out there? And the first name he

692
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: mentioned Greg Dortch, and then he folowed up with Michael

693
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: Wilson that he thought maybe people were sleeping on Michael

694
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Speaker 3: Wilson going in a year two now that he knows

695
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: the playbook cold, he's healthy and he's obviously as the skills,

696
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 3: the physicality, he can make the contested catch. So with

697
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 3: all the accolades going to Marvin Arrison Junior and deservedly,

698
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 3: so we get it. Everyone's excited and enthusiastic. Those two

699
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Speaker 3: guys could be very productive in this offense and maybe

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Speaker 3: you save.

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Speaker 1: Not only the reps offensively, but you just concentrate. Dorch

702
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: had him concentrate on punt return because there's plenty of

703
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Speaker 1: space and that could definitely utilize his speed and maybe

704
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Speaker 1: be beneficial for him because of his size. And you

705
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Speaker 1: just say, you know what emergency situation or you know

706
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Speaker 1: you've got Dallas on one side, Dortch on the other,

707
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Speaker 1: and then you just kind of figure it out, or

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Speaker 1: you have Dors catch the ball and then there's an

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Speaker 1: end around and you hand it to DJ Dallas and

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Speaker 1: you're off to the races. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: No, Hey, there's gonna be there's gonna be a lot

712
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: of scheming on a kickoff return we're starting. If you

713
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Speaker 3: look at some of the press conference held around the

714
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Speaker 3: league by Special teams coordinators, they're drawn up plays in

715
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Speaker 3: the dirt. They're really getting innovative and creative with what

716
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Speaker 3: they're gonna run. It's not just all right, four man wedge,

717
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Speaker 3: two man wedge, here we go, return left, return right. No,

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Speaker 3: there could be a lot of thought and complexity into

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Speaker 3: some of these play calls and play designs. That's what's

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Speaker 3: gonna be really interesting. And I'm guessing in the preseason

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Speaker 3: we're not gonna see the half of it. We're not

722
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Speaker 3: gonna teams aren't gonna show you what they have in store.

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Speaker 3: But week one, look out here comes. Honestly, I think

724
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Speaker 3: we're totally underrating how instrumental this kickoff return will be

725
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Speaker 3: in terms of the entertainment value and how it might

726
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Speaker 3: impact games. The first month of the season, teams adapt

727
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: and adjust everything in the NFL. I get it, But

728
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Speaker 3: out of the gates it could get pretty dang crazy

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Speaker 3: and really entertaining to start this year.

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Speaker 1: Last season, kickoffs returned a league low record low less

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Speaker 1: than twenty two percent of the time. And if Jeff

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Speaker 1: Rogers is accurate that that number will triple. Oh yeah,

733
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot more fun. Buddha Baker joked

734
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Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I'll be watching on the sideline because

735
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: he's not a part of special teams. But you might

736
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Speaker 1: see some different players that typically don't participate on special

737
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Speaker 1: teams actually be a part of kickoff returner kickoff coverage,

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Speaker 1: especially maybe lad in games where you need a big

739
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Speaker 1: return or you need to make sure that there is

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Speaker 1: not a big return against you.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's a crime that Buddha Baker's not playing

742
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Speaker 3: teams because he went to a Pro Bowl his first

743
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: year in the league as a special teamer. He was

744
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 3: unbelievable on teams all over the field. He was a

745
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 3: heat seeking missile. So you know what, Buddha, you ought

746
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Speaker 3: to try and find a way out into the field

747
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: and like kickoff cover, at least let's see some of that.

748
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Speaker 3: I think he would be really he would be a

749
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Speaker 3: secret weapon a kickoff cover and I'd love to see

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Speaker 3: how he'd.

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Speaker 1: Fare to wait and see if we see number three

752
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Speaker 1: out on that football field during special teams at all.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the number three pretty important. Here. On

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Speaker 1: this Monday, June third, Okay three TV and CBS five,

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Speaker 1: the brand new home of your Arizona Cardinals, Arizona's Family

756
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Speaker 1: announcing a multi year partnership that makes Arizona's Family the

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Speaker 1: team official television partner, which includes the state's sister station

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Speaker 1: down in Tucson, KOLD News thirteen. So Paul and Mark

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00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: mclun will have to get along at some point this

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Speaker 1: season and next season, and however long this multi year

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Speaker 1: partnership lasts.

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm gonna have to bury the hatchet. I've

763
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Speaker 3: been blaming him for the lack of carriage on YouTube

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Speaker 3: TV his sons and d Backs games. And you know,

765
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Speaker 3: since there's really no no suits are going to put

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Speaker 3: their name on those statements issued by both parties, I've

767
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Speaker 3: just been as a default blaming mclun since he's sports director.

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00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 3: Really makes no sense, but doesn't matter. We just needed

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Speaker 3: someone to blame. Yeah, this is really interesting. It does

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Speaker 3: go back to the very beginning. In fact, we'll give

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Speaker 3: h mclun. You know, this is a good gesture. Okay,

772
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Speaker 3: to make amends the Olive branch here for all the

773
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: polypot shots over the last year or so. Go to

774
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Speaker 3: his Twitter account and look at one of the first

775
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: editions of Cardinals TV programming circa nineteen eighty eight about

776
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: upon the Cardinals arrival in the az Mike Chamberlain, legendary

777
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 3: longtime sports anchor in this town. Chambo and he had

778
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Speaker 3: Ron wolf Ley on as a special Monday night football guest.

779
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: Look at an ultra young Ron Wolfley at about two

780
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Speaker 3: hundred and maybe twenty pounds tops, I mean, just remarkable

781
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Speaker 3: hair style alone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was reason to visit.

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Speaker 3: I retweeted with the hashtag no komprendo because that's what

784
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Speaker 3: that moment is. So Cardinals come full circle with the

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Speaker 3: TV partner. Now this isn't mentioned the press conference in

786
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Speaker 3: the press release, but when I showed up here late

787
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Speaker 3: ninety five ninety six, Vince Tobin was the head coach.

788
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Speaker 3: We had the Vince Tobin Show on Channel five. I

789
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 3: worked at KPHO and so we had the Cardinals show

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Speaker 3: back then. Rest in peace, Vince Tobin. By the way,

791
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Speaker 3: we lost the former Cardinals head coach last year and

792
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Speaker 3: so yes, there have been different iterations of the relationship,

793
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Speaker 3: but from all accounts, looks like they're going to amp

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Speaker 3: up programming and there's gonna be plenty of Cardinals coverage,

795
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Speaker 3: and we look forward to working with both three and

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Speaker 3: five and the operation they have going over there. And

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00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: just remember, guys went in doubt. Okay, we have final

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Speaker 3: say and all rate of design and decision making. Just

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Speaker 3: remember that.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if that actually is part of the contracts

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00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: or not. But yes, all preseason games on three TV

802
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: and CBS five plus Cardinals game plan, and we'll see

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Speaker 1: if there's other programming as well. But yes, you can

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Speaker 1: watch now Paul Calvic on three TV and.

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Speaker 3: CBS five and one of the shows is going to

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Speaker 3: be year round, So you better start. You better start

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Speaker 3: figuring out what the programming is in July. Craig, All right,

808
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: you're over there cracking. Wise, you better start working on

809
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: some award winning Emmy Award winning documentary pieces to go

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Speaker 3: ahead and program in July.

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Speaker 1: I'll just follow your lead, which I always do. You're

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Speaker 1: a good teacher, so I can't go wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, that'll be tough because I'll be doing it

814
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Speaker 3: from the Norcale coast, So you know it's by the way,

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Speaker 3: how was your trip back to the NorCal helping the

816
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Speaker 3: family move?

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Speaker 1: You got your deadlift on. I do not recommend it.

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Speaker 1: It's look, it is a benefit long term and the

819
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: short term it was good. It was exhausting, but hey,

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00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: everyone is better for including my parents and brothers and

821
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Speaker 1: sister who are closer to now Mom and dad.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, manual labor never did anybody any harm, so

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Speaker 3: especially those around here who maybe we're getting a little soft.

824
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Speaker 3: So you're a better man for it, Craig, well done.

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00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: And the only problem is now when it's one hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifteen in the summer here, it's gonna be like

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Speaker 3: one oh five and Sacker Tomato. So you lost your

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Speaker 3: cool climbs of the Bay area.

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Speaker 1: That's true. I just go. I go visit Paully's parents and.

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Speaker 3: Go down to the eight three to one, go on

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Speaker 3: down to the Monterey Bay. I'll let them know you're coming.

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Speaker 1: Sounds good today, although yeah, me make my reservations. As

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Speaker 1: we sign off here on that note, we'll put a

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Speaker 1: lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai,

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks

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Speaker 1: to our executive producer Jim mom Andre, our associate producer

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Speaker 1: Cuddy Fincher Wal Calvic. I'm Craig rial Lou. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you next time you're on Cardinals. Cover two.

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Speaker 3: True Story. I brought Wolf to my folks about three

840
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 3: years ago. My mom made pot roast. Wolf still raves

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Speaker 3: about my mom's hot roast and made her year.

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Speaker 2: Mhm