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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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Speaker 1: tech stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello again, everyone,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to tex stuff. My name is Chris Polette and

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Speaker 1: I am an editor at how stuff works dot com.

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Speaker 1: Sitting across from me as always a senior writer Jonathan Strickland.

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Speaker 1: Nobody comes to visit me in my little cloud. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why. Maybe because I'm cutting muffins of all

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Speaker 1: the songs. You chose that we're talking about clouds. That's true.

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Speaker 1: We were going to talk about Amazon's much heralded new

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Speaker 1: cloud service because it's completely unlike everything else that came

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Speaker 1: out that's a cloud service. Yes, except well there is

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Speaker 1: there is one unique element, or at least it's it's new.

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Speaker 1: It's new enough to talk about, right, It's not like

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Speaker 1: it's something it is, uh that also has been done

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Speaker 1: over and over again. Actually, I think the thing is

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about this because so many people

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Speaker 1: most part, all that groundbreaking in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: but people are still talking about it as though it

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Speaker 1: it's the mindset behind it and the fact and that

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Speaker 1: one that one special instance, and if you're if you're

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Speaker 1: new to what we're talking about and have absolutely no

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Speaker 1: idea what we're prattling on about this point, it's called

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Speaker 1: cloud drive, and that's a a cloud based service. And

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Speaker 1: we talk about cloud we're talking about internet storage. So

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Speaker 1: rather than using the hard drive on your computer or

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Speaker 1: or maybe even on your network at home, the files

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Speaker 1: Internet to be stored on in this case, Amazon's hard

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Speaker 1: drives computer. And the reason you would do this, there's

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Speaker 1: actually several reasons. One would be that, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's most of us just have so much storage, and

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Speaker 1: you start to accumulate enough stuff. You have, as George

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Speaker 1: Carlin would say, not enough places to put your stuff,

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Speaker 1: So you gotta find more places for all the stuff

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Speaker 1: and that cloud storage is a great way of finding

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Speaker 1: places to put your stuff. So you are effectively putting

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Speaker 1: your stuff in someone else's house, that's one thing. So

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Speaker 1: you're getting your you're able to offload storage. But another

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Speaker 1: reason you might like it is because, unlike some of us,

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Speaker 1: these cloud storage companies tend to have lots of of

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Speaker 1: backups and redundancy built into their systems so that if

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Speaker 1: something goes wrong, you don't lose your data. Because if

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Speaker 1: my hard drive crashes, I lose that stuff. Right, anything

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Speaker 1: lose forever. That's right. There's also leads us to the downsides.

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Speaker 1: And if you have been listening to tech stuff for

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Speaker 1: years now, you know that we when we talk about

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Speaker 1: cloud computing, in cloud storage, we were going to talk

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Speaker 1: about privacy. When you have multiple copies of your information

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Speaker 1: stored on someone else's computers, um, then there is the

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Speaker 1: possibility that that information could fall into someone else's hands

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Speaker 1: and if it's not encrypted, could be or or not

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Speaker 1: you get five gigabytes of storage space and in a

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Speaker 1: the day that we're recording this, I have not seen

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Speaker 1: anything that suggests that any of the major players in

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Speaker 1: the recording industry are in the process of filing a

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Speaker 1: lawsuit against Amazon, and I know that they are planning

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Speaker 1: on having some discussions with Amazon about it. Now. This

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Speaker 1: is the same industry that wanted that that wanted XM

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Speaker 1: to remove the ability to record a show that you

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Speaker 1: were listening on on your personal They used to offer

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Speaker 1: a portable player that you could um record a song.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like a DVR for your TV. You

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Speaker 1: could record a program on it and listen to it later.

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Speaker 1: And uh, certain people in the industry wanted XM to stop,

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Speaker 1: which they eventually did, but there were lawsuits and things

441
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Speaker 1: over whether or not you're allowed to time shift your radio,

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Speaker 1: your satellite radio. UM. So yes, of course this, this

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Speaker 1: is the kind of thing that's going to be UM

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Speaker 1: I think coming out in the next few weeks. As

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Speaker 1: of the time we're recording this, uh although um yesterday,

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Speaker 1: as of the day we're recording this, we're recording this

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Speaker 1: on April Fools Day. As a matter of fact, UM.

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Speaker 1: Greg Sandoval wrote an article in c NET that kind

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Speaker 1: of surprised me. I had been talking about cloud Drive

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Speaker 1: primarily as a music storage service, but as Jonathan pointed out,

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Speaker 1: you can put anything in there. The movie industry is

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Speaker 1: not concerned with the same issues that the recording industry

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Speaker 1: is because people don't it's not really the service isn't

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Speaker 1: really designed to host video the way it is audio.

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Speaker 1: There's not The cloud player won't play movies, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it will host it, you just can't access it with

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Speaker 1: the same ease that you can the music. Right. So

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Speaker 1: they apparently are not in the rush to run out

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Speaker 1: and have a talk with Amazon at the moment um

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Speaker 1: because it's not as urgent for them, although you know,

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Speaker 1: I would imagine they will be keeping their eye on

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Speaker 1: it because the potential is there for for them to

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Speaker 1: add that capability to the player. And make it possible

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Speaker 1: to watch video, um, probably both movies and TV, but

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Speaker 1: now on a strong connection to your network. In fact,

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Speaker 1: for even for the music, Amazon recommends that you use

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Speaker 1: a three G or better connection, so we're talking three G,

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Speaker 1: four G or Wi Fi connection in order to have

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Speaker 1: a satisfying experience listening to the music, because otherwise you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of buff s fring issues where um,

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Speaker 1: you know, the song is just not going to come

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Speaker 1: across very very well because the bandwidth you have isn't

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Speaker 1: enough to transmit that data smoothly. Um. And yeah, there

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Speaker 1: hasn't been any move for a lawsuit yet, but shortly

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Speaker 1: after Amazon made the announcement, UH, Sony Music Entertainment and

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Speaker 1: Warner Music Group both kind of expressed some concerns, and

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Speaker 1: in fact, Brian Garritty from Sony said, we're disappointed by

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Speaker 1: their decision to launch without a license, which at least

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Speaker 1: suggests that they feel that a license would be necessary

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Speaker 1: for you to access your file on a hard drive.

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Speaker 1: If they tell me that I need a license to

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Speaker 1: listen to my music on my m B three player, oh,

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Speaker 1: I would guess yes. That the difference is who owns

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Speaker 1: the hard drive. I would guess that that's no. I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not arguing with you, and you're saying, I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing for the music industry that that's the big deal.

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Speaker 1: If you have let's say a RAID at home, that's

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Speaker 1: a ray of independent discs UM for those of you

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Speaker 1: who aren't familiar with the term, UH, which is basically

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Speaker 1: just a U a giant box with hard drives in it.

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Speaker 1: I'm over way oversimplifying that, but yeah, it's you can

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Speaker 1: access any of those hard drives over your network. They're

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Speaker 1: not part of a computer. They're just a big box

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Speaker 1: of hardners. So let's say you have a massive music

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Speaker 1: collection and you know it's all on this RAID and

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Speaker 1: different discs. If you want to do that, because you

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Speaker 1: own the hardware, they're okay with it. I'm guessing that

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Speaker 1: for the music studios, they see an opportunity to get

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Speaker 1: another license because you are storing it on or you know,

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Speaker 1: from Amazon, because they are supplying the internet infrastructure and

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Speaker 1: the hardware to you, and that's that's probably the sticking

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Speaker 1: point for them. I think I think another sticking point

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Speaker 1: though that's that's a legitimate point, and I agree with it.

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Speaker 1: I think another sticking point is that some of these

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Speaker 1: companies have been known to also be working on their

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Speaker 1: own infrastructures that are branded specifically to their labels. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so get like a company like Sony, and Sony starts

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Speaker 1: building out its infrastructure. Uh, you know, you don't want

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Speaker 1: to have to deal with competition from other other companies

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Speaker 1: like Amazon. You know, you you want you want your

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Speaker 1: stuff to be safe so that you can sell it

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Speaker 1: through yours and lock people into an infrastructure because it

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Speaker 1: makes good business sense. You know, it's not necessarily the

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Speaker 1: thing that the customer is going to go crazy floor

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Speaker 1: unless they're a huge Sony fan, But it makes sense

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Speaker 1: from your standpoint where you're saying, look, this is a

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Speaker 1: great business decision. It's a way for us to guarantee

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Speaker 1: that our online music sales are going to remain steady

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Speaker 1: or even grow because music sales are kind of stagnated

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Speaker 1: over the last few couple of years and um, and

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Speaker 1: that's a big concern for these companies. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: whole purpose they're in business is to make money, and

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Speaker 1: they make money through selling music, and if people stop

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Speaker 1: buying music, that's a problem. So it may be that

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Speaker 1: that's one of the things that they were looking at

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Speaker 1: that that they're they've got a strategy in place to

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Speaker 1: really boost music sales, partially by creating this locked in

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Speaker 1: ecosystem that's only good for one major label. Uh, but

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Speaker 1: if another company comes in and undercuts them, then they

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Speaker 1: no longer have that advantage, right, I mean the music

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Speaker 1: industry itself. We're not talking about the artists themselves, the

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Speaker 1: music industry, the recording industry. We're talking about the big labels.

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Speaker 1: They make their money from recording the arts, basically going

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Speaker 1: out discovering people they think will sell, recording those artists,

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Speaker 1: packaging and you know, creating the the uh, the recording

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Speaker 1: with the packaging and creating the product and distributing it

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Speaker 1: to people, marketing it to radio stations to get them

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Speaker 1: to play it, um, and then selling bucks of albums

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Speaker 1: or digital downloads. As you know, because we're seeing those

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Speaker 1: physical album sales, I mean, those are really dropping off.

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Speaker 1: Digital music is also kind of stagnating. So but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you put your your yourself in the

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Speaker 1: shoes of the industry itself, it's easy to see why

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Speaker 1: they would be frightened by losing control. And if they

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Speaker 1: see this as a possibility that they may lose control.

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Speaker 1: Of course, they're going to defend their industry because you know,

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Speaker 1: that's what they do, So it's not really surprising that

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Speaker 1: they would be concerned about what's going on. Then it's

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Speaker 1: possible that they could work out um an arrangement with Amazon.

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Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately, you're right, Jonathan, it's it's not giving

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Speaker 1: music to other people. If Amazon can demonstrate that, hey, look,

552
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Speaker 1: this is this is highly secure. Nobody's going to get

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Speaker 1: access to anybody else's music. It's no different than if

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Speaker 1: it was on their own computer. Yeah, if they can

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00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: convince the recording industry of that, um, they may be

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00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: able to avoid having to restructure their offering or worry

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00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: about yeah or or or worry about a lawsuit. So

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Speaker 1: it is very possible that through discussion that they can

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Speaker 1: they can work something out. They just need to reassure people.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you drop the news on him, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry what And I should point out that I'm

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Speaker 1: a you know, I'm a real advocate for the consumer

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Speaker 1: because I am one sure, if I were a major label,

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Speaker 1: I probably would have a totally different argument than the

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Speaker 1: one I laid out. Yeah, I mean, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's their livelihood, that's what they do. And so I'm

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Speaker 1: arguing for the customer experience, but that's just one piece

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Speaker 1: of the puzzle. And I recognize that too. Doesn't make

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Speaker 1: me less RANTI though, all right, well let's wrap this

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Speaker 1: discussion up. I think it was a really good discussion.

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00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: And and Chris does have a great blog post about

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Speaker 1: the Amazon Cloud Drive already, so I would recommend checking

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Speaker 1: that out. Go over to our blogs and and just

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Speaker 1: click on the little tech stuff thing. You can ignore

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Speaker 1: all the rest. And I'm just kidding. All the other

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00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: all the other blogs are also awesome, But if you

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Speaker 1: click on tech stuff, it'll just bring up our our

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00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: posts and you can find the one easily that way

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Speaker 1: on the cloud drive. And I think it's safe to

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Speaker 1: expect that we will see something going on from Google

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Speaker 1: or Apple or both in the in the months to come.

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Speaker 1: So this is uh, they may actually be happy that

583
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: Amazon beat them to the punch, especially if they get

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Speaker 1: punched for it. Yeah, if they get pummeled for it,

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00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: and then Google and Apple can say, hey, let's rethink

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Speaker 1: our strategy here so that we can, you know, we

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Speaker 1: can avoid the pitfalls that Amazon fell into. That is

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Speaker 1: a potential outcome, so we'll have to wait and see.

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Speaker 1: If you guys have any comments on the Amazon Cloud

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00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: Drive and Cloud Player, or perhaps you have some request

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Speaker 1: for a different topic you would like to hear, Why

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