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Speaker 1: I'm here this afternoon to announce the rest of Paul

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Speaker 1: to more. We have not recovered Kristen. We will continue

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Speaker 1: this case, dead physical searches of sixteen different locations, one

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Speaker 1: remember a few years ago a complete reexamination of every

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Speaker 1: physical item sees submission of thirty seven items of evidence

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Speaker 1: recovery of one hundred and ninety three items of physical evidence,

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Speaker 1: twenty five years. Finally, in the last hours and arrest

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Speaker 1: star panel to break it down. First of all, Daryl Cohen,

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Speaker 1: founder the Cold Case Research Institute, Forensic experts Cheryl McCollum

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Speaker 1: and investigative journalists Jennifer Sikowski. Jennifer, what happened? So yesterday

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Speaker 1: the time. I'm a real card. I'd love cars. I

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Speaker 1: love old things. You know. It's like, no, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to do a restoration on that car. They didn't need

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Speaker 1: to take it. They wanted to take it. Now they're

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Speaker 1: going to take Oh yeah, the warrant says they can

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Speaker 1: take it apart. So god knows what it'll look like,

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Speaker 1: you know, But it's I don't know it's private. They're

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Speaker 1: coming in. They're taking your stuff. They're taking your stuff

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Speaker 1: at will for any reason. You know, having a search

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Speaker 1: warn't done, and you think it would be used to

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Speaker 1: it is violating. It's like, oh, you know, they're in

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Speaker 1: your house, They're in your drawers, they're in you know,

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Speaker 1: they're scattering stuff, Daryl Cohen, Is that why you tell

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Speaker 1: your clients to shut the hay up so they don't

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Speaker 1: say things like this? She's whining and angry. Police sees

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Speaker 1: the volkswagen a day lighten and dollars short, but they

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Speaker 1: seized it when it was gonna be her quote little

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Speaker 1: restoration project. How much can we dislike her? Well, this

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Speaker 1: girl is dead, most likely buried in the backyard and

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Speaker 1: potentially met her death in that volkswagen. Nancy, I tell clients,

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Speaker 1: kyd b MS, keep your damn big mouth shut. And

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Speaker 1: how likable is this woman? Oh you know someone was killed.

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Speaker 1: I probably know her, and you're gonna take away my

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Speaker 1: little pet restoration project? Really this woman, well, hold onto

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Speaker 1: your hat. Hold onto your hat, Daryl Cohen, take a

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Speaker 1: little and too, Mom, Susan Flores. This is defendant's mother

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Speaker 1: and defendant's wife, father and son duo in the murder

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Speaker 1: of this teen girl. Take a listen our cut twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: She's whining not only about her VW, she's also whining

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Speaker 1: because cops looked in her yard. It's definitely Susan talking

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Speaker 1: all these years. Does it feel good to it? I mean,

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Speaker 1: because you don't really talk that much about this case.

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Speaker 1: That's the first interview I've ever done in my life.

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Speaker 1: Will help. And I don't know they've had They've had

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Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities and different ways. I'd let them

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Speaker 1: dig up my yard in two thousand and seven, they're

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Speaker 1: going to add a field day there. They chose, brought

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Speaker 1: in the GPR and they did this and Jackie cut

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Speaker 1: her off. I don't want to even hear her whiny

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Speaker 1: voice anymore. You know you've got you've got Christmas family

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Speaker 1: just bent over in grief and this mom. Now we

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Speaker 1: see the apple didn't fall too far from the tree,

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Speaker 1: did it. Guys? I want you to hear what we've got.

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Speaker 1: Forget about that bunch. Let's listen to what we've got

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Speaker 1: regarding evidence. And I think this is really promising. This

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Speaker 1: is hopefully the silver lining in an otherwise dark storm

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Speaker 1: of lack of evidence, delays, problems, hiccups. To put it euphemistically,

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Speaker 1: it's cut thirty four again. This is Saint Saint Louis

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Speaker 1: Obispo County Sheriff Ian Parkinson. With the knowledge of the

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Speaker 1: discame discovered of new evidence, new witnesses, Shaff's detective security

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Speaker 1: court order authorizing the interception and monitoring of Paul Floris's

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Speaker 1: cell phone and text messages. This is one of many

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Speaker 1: things that have been done over the last ten years.

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Speaker 1: In February of twenty twenty, detective search warrens at the

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Speaker 1: home of Paul Flores as well as his sister, mother,

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Speaker 1: and father, all simultaneously. Last year. Physical events recovered during

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Speaker 1: these searches led to the service of additional search warrant

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Speaker 1: at Paul Flores's residence in April of last year. During

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Speaker 1: the search warrant, detectives recovered evidence related to the murder

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Speaker 1: of Kristen Smart. In March of this year, the detective

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Speaker 1: served another search warrant in Royal Grande at the home

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Speaker 1: of Reuben Flores, the father of Paul Flores. Additional evidence

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Speaker 1: related to the Smart Visk investigation was discovered at that time.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Cheryl McCollum joining us to write the

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Speaker 1: Coldcase Research Institute. They got a warrant, and this takes

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Speaker 1: a lot of doing to tap phones, to monitor cell

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Speaker 1: phone and text messages. And it makes me wonder if

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Speaker 1: they were especially listening in after the last searches to

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Speaker 1: see what the two would say to each other, like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: did they look under the patio, did they bring in

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Speaker 1: cadaver dogs, did they get near the body? I mean,

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Speaker 1: who knows what's on those cell phone recordings? And they're

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Speaker 1: telling each other what they took from the house. So

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Speaker 1: from February to March, you've got to know what's coming.

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Speaker 1: And here's what's going to be critical to understand. While

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Speaker 1: they're tapping your phone, they've also got to you under surveillance.

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Speaker 1: So if somebody went under the house, if somebody laid

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Speaker 1: new rock, if somebody did anything to try to continue

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Speaker 1: to hide her, it's going to be obvious. You know.

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Speaker 1: Another thing is while a lot of people consider a

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Speaker 1: judge or a magistrate to be a rubber stamp, that

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Speaker 1: is absolutely not true. I have not my arrestaurrant applications

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Speaker 1: or searches, but I've heard of many arrestaurants in search

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Speaker 1: warrants in particular being turned down my magistrates and judges

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Speaker 1: saying it's just not enough evidence. I want you to

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut thirty five again. This

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Speaker 1: is Sheriff Parkinson. So as a result of this evidence,

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Speaker 1: a San Lois Fisco Spirit Court judge signed a two

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Speaker 1: arrest warrants and two additional search warrants. At approximately zero

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Speaker 1: seven thirty this morning today, both were arrested simultaneously with

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Speaker 1: a team down in San Pedro, California and a team

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Speaker 1: in Royal Grande, California, and they arrested Paul Floris and

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Speaker 1: his father, Reuben. Paul was arrested for charge of murder

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Speaker 1: with zero bail meaning he is unable to bail, and

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Speaker 1: Reuben Floris was arrested as an accessory to murder with

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Speaker 1: a bail of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. We

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Speaker 1: are still currently in the process of executing those search warrants,

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Speaker 1: could be there for the remainder of the day or

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Speaker 1: even in tomorrow, depending on what they find. Straight out

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Speaker 1: to Jennifer Sakowski, investigative reporter, how did the arrests go

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Speaker 1: down and where are the churches occurring right now? So

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Speaker 1: this search is well. First off, that the arrest went down.

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Speaker 1: I know Paul Flores was in his pajamas. Sounds like

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Speaker 1: when he was arrested at his home. His father was arrested,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like at the same time, but at his

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Speaker 1: own home. And as far as I know, the search

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Speaker 1: is being conducted at Ruben Flores's home. And again you

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Speaker 1: know the with the corners tent being seen there, I

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Speaker 1: anticipate something big coming out of this, so they can't

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Speaker 1: is at Ruben's home, Ruben Flores's home. Jennifer, Yes, what

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Speaker 1: are the charges as they stand right now, Jennifer Tsukowski. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So Paul Flores being charged with one kind of murder

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Speaker 1: while his father, Ruben Flores, is being charged as an

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Speaker 1: accessory to murder. Okay, interpreting what we know right now.

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Speaker 1: Sheryl McCall m. I thank you, and I Daryl doctor

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Speaker 1: Angela agree that they have reason to believe christ and

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Speaker 1: Smart's body. What's left of it. I'm sure it's skeletonized

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Speaker 1: by now, is somewhere on Ruben Flores's property. They've got

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Speaker 1: the corner's tent up. The sheriff said he didn't know

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Speaker 1: how long they would be out there. He also said,

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Speaker 1: and this is very telling. I believe we will find

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Speaker 1: Christen's body. Okay, best case scenario, Sheeryl McCall him. Best

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Speaker 1: case scenario, they're going to recover her, and they're going

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Speaker 1: to recover her with items that they also buried. Pursue

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Speaker 1: it to the crime itself. So they will be adding kidnapping.

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Speaker 1: They're going to be adding things like illegally disposing of

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Speaker 1: a body. They're going to add all kinds of things

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Speaker 1: by tonight. We wait as justice unfolds. Right now, our

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Speaker 1: prayers with Kristin's family. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,