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Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Has technology taken us to the point that

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Speaker 1: Hence the name LIMP. Right, it's a LIMP mode. So

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Speaker 1: And it's funny how they break it up. There's there's

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Speaker 1: You can't say that because they all have their problems

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Speaker 1: engines blow up. But uh, you know the fact that

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00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,479
Speaker 1: they're stealing the cheaper cars, they must just be stealing

427
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: them for entertainment. I don't know. Social media videos have

428
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: circulated showing thieves bypassing the ignition system with a simple

429
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: USB cable. Look at the technology, right, we're talking about

430
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: technology at the top of the hour today. An industry

431
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: studies showed last year that lost claims for Hundai and

432
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: Kia models from recent years were nearly twice as common

433
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Speaker 1: as claims for vehicles made by any other manufacturer. Now,

434
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: report of the insurance companies have been declining courage on

435
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 1: effective vehicles. Michael Barry, chief communications officer at the Insurance

436
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: Information Institute, told Wisconsins w I s N. The auto

437
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: industry has become quite alarmed at this trend. When it

438
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: comes to Kia and Hunday refusing coverage, he continues, remains

439
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: relatively relatively rare, but Kia and Hyundai owners are also

440
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 1: likely to face higher rates. Interesting, Um, you know that

441
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: they can do that, and you know at what point

442
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: where we're also seeing the good old fashioned you know,

443
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: let's say, KR thefts are on the rise. Uh. You know,

444
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: we've seen stories, for example here in New Jersey also

445
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: around the country where they're targeting people. If you're driving

446
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: an expensive automobile, Um, you know, be aware, you know,

447
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: be aware of your surroundings. If if you pull down

448
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: your street late at night and somebody turns down your

449
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: street that you know, it's eleven o'clock and there's not

450
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: a lot of traffic on your street, and all of

451
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: a sudden, somebody's behind you. Maybe you don't want to

452
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: go home, Maybe you wanna drive around for five minutes

453
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: and keep driving and put yourself in that situation and

454
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: they'll get tired and go off. Because we we hear

455
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: here in Jersey stories of people being followed home. They

456
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: get out in their driveway, Um, you're a little tired.

457
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: You've had a nice meal, you've maybe had an adult beverage,

458
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 1: not too many because you're driving, but you've had one

459
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: or two. And when you get out of the car,

460
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: you hear clicking, there's a gun to your head and

461
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: they say give me the keys, or they just get

462
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: in the car and they push you out of the way.

463
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: So car theft is on the rise. It seems to

464
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: be a very simple way to grab such an expensive

465
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: um expensive item. Uh so just be aware. The article

466
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Speaker 1: closes out by saying most of the vehicle's target have

467
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: been base models, and only base models of new newer

468
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: Hyundai and two thousand eleven or newer Keya models. They

469
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: share two common traits. They lacking a mobilizer and breaking

470
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Speaker 1: in through the rear window. Geez, look at how well

471
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: they've got this steak now right? They know that breaking

472
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: in through the rear window does not trigger the alarm. Um,

473
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: both companies. Hyundai is working on a retro fit kit

474
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: because a hundred seventy dollars plus labor fee for installation,

475
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: I think they should put that in for free. Um,

476
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: you know, I think out of goodwill, I think they should.

477
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Speaker 1: You know what's it costs them? I think they should

478
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: put that in for free. You know, Hyundai and Kia

479
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: are embattled right now. In my opinion, they're going through

480
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: and if if you're not aware of this, if you're

481
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: the driver of a later model Hyundai Kia oh circa

482
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, two thousand and twelve forward, and you've

483
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: got I believe it's the one point eight leader engine, um,

484
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: you're likely going to face the inevitable engine failure. UM

485
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: that the engine gets anywhere from six to ten thousand

486
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: miles on it, you know, you'll start to get some

487
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: knocking and running rough and calamitous engine failure. I've been

488
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: talking about this for a couple of months now. A

489
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: lot of the Hundai dealers in in the Tri State

490
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: area here are just backed up on engine work. They've

491
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: got anywhere from twelve to four engines and vehicles apart

492
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: at any one time, and they're just they're just fighting

493
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: an uphill battle. Uh. You know, Hyundai has this policy

494
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: procedure in place where it first has got to go

495
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: to the dealer, it's got to get diagnosed. UM it

496
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: could be three or four weeks before it gets diagnosed.

497
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: You're paying for the diagnosis, and then you have to

498
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Speaker 1: go back to Hunday Corporate to make the complaint of

499
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: you know this happened, UM I had calamitous engine failure

500
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: under a hundred thousand miles, and then they will reimburse

501
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: you for that diagnosis or send you a gift card

502
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: or some other way to you know, I never understood

503
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with people, all right, you know that

504
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 1: always said you only get one chance to annoy somebody

505
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: and make them a customer somewhere else. You know what

506
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: would the cost factor be if they said, hey, you

507
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: know what, we're sorry Mr in any and this happened,

508
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: the engine failed, we didn't meet up to your standards.

509
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: Here's a gift card, go out to dinner on us,

510
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: and you know what, and we'll cover the cost of

511
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: the diagnosis in the rental. You know what if they

512
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: took that approach and then next year, let's face it,

513
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: they're in business, they're gonna raise the cost of doing

514
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: business three or four percent. It just becomes a number

515
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: on a piece of paper. And you know at that

516
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: point in the game, but you're happy, right, You're so

517
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: happy you're gonna go back and buy another car from them,

518
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: even though it's higher priced. Doesn't that make more sense?

519
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: Isn't that maybe missing something here? But in any event,

520
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: if you're driving a hun day in a Kia and

521
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: you're in the St. Louis area, you may need to

522
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: get a large dog, although not too large because the

523
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: cars aren't that big that you could ride around with

524
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,239
Speaker 1: the dog and yourself in the car. But you can

525
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: leave the dog in the car and uh get Tom's dog.

526
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: Tom's Tom's a little Ted. Ted would Ted would protect

527
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: everybody and uh Ed would drive the car never mind. Yeah,

528
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: well I've seen Ted. Ted does a lot of funny things.

529
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: What kind of dog is Ted? Tom? Yeah, be careful

530
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: how you say? Yeah? So? Yeah? And Ted's Ted's a character,

531
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: he really is. So anyway, let's pull over. Take a

532
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Speaker 1: plause eight five five five zero nine zero run any

533
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: of the Car Doctor the illustrious Tom Ray will both

534
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: be back right after this. Don't go away. It's all

535
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: about technology. Welcome back Ronny in the Car Doctor here

536
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: at eight five five five zero nine ro zero. I

537
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: should point out, as I have in the past, that

538
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: that phone number zero zero zero seven you can call

539
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: that number, leave a message and Tom will call you

540
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: back and put you in the queue for the next

541
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: live broadcast. We are live on the radio network Saturday

542
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 1: afternoons to the four pm East Coast time. UM So,

543
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: depending upon where you are in the world, that's where

544
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: we are. You know, if you're a podcaster and you

545
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: want to call in and talk to us about a

546
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: car problem, we're trying to put and do more phone calls.

547
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: Number one. It's my My time is growing more and

548
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: more limited every week. It seems like the number of

549
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: people that want to talk to me grows obviously as

550
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: things escalate. But it's also good for everybody else, you know.

551
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: We get more information out on the air and then

552
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: people here about it, and it it educates everybody, because

553
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: that's really what this radio show is about. I got

554
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: an email in front of me, and I think it's

555
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: pretty typical of what we're seeing as far as technology ron.

556
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: I've got a Toyota Avalon. Recently, the tire pressure warning

557
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: light has been flashing. When I checked the tires manually

558
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: with a gauge, they were all reading correctly. After a

559
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: few minutes, the light will stop blinking. I was given

560
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: a price of three total for diagnostic time and a

561
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: NOIS censor from the Toyota dealer. Is it worth it

562
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: to get this sensor? Or should I go after market

563
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: for a less expensive one? Thanks so much, Glenn. Uh,

564
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: you know what, Glenn, I'm gonna I'm gonna answer the

565
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: question like this, and I don't know what part of

566
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: the country you're in, So the three is important, but

567
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: it's it's irrelevant because depending upon where you are, three

568
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: maybe a lot of money. It may be a little

569
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: money based on what their labor rate is based on

570
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: cost of living in your neck of the woods. Not

571
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: all dealerships, not all repair shops carry the same labor charges.

572
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: So that being said, Uh, you know, how much is

573
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: the Toyota censor? If it's a hundred bucks and you

574
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: figure there are a hundred dollars labor uh to diagnose

575
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: maybe and then it's you know, I don't know, is

576
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: it a hundred dollars to replace the sensor? That's about right.

577
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: That's probably where you're going. You know, tire pressure sensors

578
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: are are costly, all right, they really are. They're they're

579
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: expensive because you know, you've got to diagnose it. But

580
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: then you've got to take the tire apart, you know,

581
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: remove the old sensor, program the new censor, and it

582
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: doesn't take a whole lot of time, but it's tedious.

583
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: It's it's not the fastest repair in the whole world.

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00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: And the exposure for the repair shop, you know, in

585
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: terms of damaging the wheel, cracking the sensor, getting a

586
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: programmed right. Uh, you know, it can be a little

587
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: bit of a pain in the neck. It's it's not

588
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: exactly entry level technician work. It's it can be be

589
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: technician work in my month. Uh. You know, in some cases,

590
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: I've seen some tps TPMs problems that are headaches that

591
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, evolve into a a level technician work. So

592
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: you know the choice of the Toyota sensor or the

593
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: aftermarket sensor. Who's aftermarket sensor? I use thirty one. I

594
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: use X thirty one or Group thirty one. You find

595
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: more information at their website thirty one in dot com.

596
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: I like their sensors. They're easily programmed. Um, they're there.

597
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: I won't say they're inexpensive, but they work well. We've

598
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: been using them for the better part of gosh, it's

599
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: got to be seven years. I think. In seven years,

600
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Speaker 1: and for the hundreds that we've sold, I might have

601
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: seen I don't know four come back Um, two of

602
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: which were questionable, but customer satisfaction, make the customer happy,

603
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: take the sensor back and move on. I think the

604
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: bigger question is isn't really Toyota or aftermarket is who

605
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: is your mechanic. If the Toyota dealer is where you're

606
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: going to get your vehicle service on a regular basis,

607
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: then use the Toyota sensor. If you know, the corner

608
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: repair shop is where you're going to get your vehicle repaired.

609
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: What brand of sensor do they have If they don't

610
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: have the sensor or they don't have the technology to

611
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: deal with this, I'll say it like this. If they

612
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: can't fix a tire pressure sensor problem in this day

613
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: and age, they're the wrong repair shop, all right, and

614
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: you've got to find another one, whether it be the

615
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: dealer or somebody that's current on technology, because technology is

616
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: only going to increase as time goes on. One of

617
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: the things I want to point out is this vehicle

618
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: seven years old, you're right in the sweet spot where

619
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: those little batteries start to fail in the six to

620
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: eight year range. You've got three other sensors. You might

621
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: have five if you've got a TPMs sensor in your spare,

622
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: and you have to check that. You may want to

623
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: consider replacing all of them at once and getting it

624
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: over with, or you're gonna be chasing the same diagnostic

625
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: dilemma three more times. So sometimes it's more cost effective

626
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: if you are going to replace tires on a vehicle that's,

627
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 1: you know, six to eight years old. As an added

628
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: cost factor, you may want to consider replacing sensors now

629
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: because it's the price of the part and some programming.

630
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: It's a lot cheaper and more cost effective to replace

631
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: sensors together with tires, as you don't have to take

632
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: it apart specifically just for that so um you can

633
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: get out the thirty one Inc. Dot com to read

634
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: more about that particular brand of sensors. They've got videos,

635
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: they've got product descriptions, and you can find a repair

636
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: shop from there, I believe, and you know, maybe show

637
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: that to your mechanic and say, have you ever heard

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Speaker 1: of these sensors? They do have very good national distribution

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Speaker 1: thirty one Inc. Dot com. But the most important question

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Speaker 1: is who's your mechanic, Toyota or the guy on the

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Speaker 1: corner zero. I'm not a naming in the car doctor.

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00:32:53,400 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. Have you ever notice

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00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: how one question begets another question but gets another question

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00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: and technology seems to be the theme Miss hour Ron.

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Speaker 1: I drive a land or over l R four. This

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Speaker 1: comes to us from Cliff and Scottsdale and need to

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Speaker 1: replace a tire now? Being while we'll drive, everyone has

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Speaker 1: an opinion on if you need to replace all four tires,

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Speaker 1: get a new tire and get it shaved, or just

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Speaker 1: replace it and not worry about it. I checked around

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Speaker 1: in Scottsdale, Phoenix, and I couldn't find anyone who would

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Speaker 1: shave a tire. It seems to be plenty of people

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Speaker 1: just replace one tire and carry on. My real question

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Speaker 1: would be not what you think should be done? I

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Speaker 1: know you would would be not what you think should

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Speaker 1: be done? I know you will tell us, But have

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Speaker 1: you ever witnessed actual damage to a vehicle because of

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Speaker 1: replacing just one tire? Land for the last part, first, yes,

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Speaker 1: Subaru um Common just one tire and Subaru and the

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Speaker 1: other one being what the heck was that? The other

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Speaker 1: one being um being Nissan. Al Right, I've I've seen

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Speaker 1: this experience. I've had this firsthand, all right. And there

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Speaker 1: was one other vehicle I can't seem to recall. I

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Speaker 1: always base my do I replace one tire or not

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Speaker 1: on tread depth cliff and for everyone else's information. You know,

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Speaker 1: if a new tire has ten thirty seconds of tread

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Speaker 1: depth and the tire gets an unreparable puncture, and it's

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Speaker 1: you know, the tires have somewhere to them and they

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Speaker 1: are at oh six thirty seconds. That's four thirty seconds difference.

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Speaker 1: That's right on the cusp of where it could be

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Speaker 1: an issue. UM. I would try to get it shaved.

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Speaker 1: I really would, because, let's face it, parts for a

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Speaker 1: land Rover anything, never mind an l R four aren't

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Speaker 1: cheap and you don't want to be the guinea pig.

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Speaker 1: If the vehicle has five thirty seconds tread depth on

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Speaker 1: the tire, Um, is it worthwhile they get the tire shaved. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Probably depends on the expense in the aggravation. And then

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Speaker 1: I also want to look at you know, what sort

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Speaker 1: of shape are the other tires actually? And I also

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Speaker 1: want to look at date code. This is a team.

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Speaker 1: If these are the original tires, and I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: they are, but if these are the original tires, there's

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Speaker 1: seven going on eight years old, it's time to throw

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Speaker 1: them away, all right. I doubt A. You're in You're

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Speaker 1: in Scottsdale, Phoenix. The heat's probably taken. This is probably

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Speaker 1: the second set, I'm guessing, but it depends on mileage.

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Speaker 1: You know, you could try looking online. UM, I can't

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Speaker 1: say for sure. Where I thought maybe tire rack. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: familiar with ti Irac tire iraq dot com. Um. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: they will sell you a tire and shave it to

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Speaker 1: your depth, but the key is gonna be tread depth.

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Speaker 1: Measure your existing tires, look at the date code it's

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Speaker 1: encoded on the side of the tire, and work your

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Speaker 1: way out from there. If you've got any other questions, Cliff,

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Speaker 1: I'm here for you, babe. Good luck, and yes I

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Speaker 1: have seen problems. Till the next time. I'm Ronandandy in

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Speaker 1: the car doctor reminding all of you good mechanics aren't expensive,

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Speaker 1: they're priceless. See you