WEBVTT - Ties that Bind 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:04.400 It's hard to not be discouraged climate change, abortion bands 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.680 attacks on the LGTBQ plus community. But you can do 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:10.799 your part by switching to Credo Mobile. Credo Mobile gives 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.040 you service on the nation's best network, and it's the 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:15.640 only phone company that donates a portion of their proceeds 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:18.880 to progressive nonprofit groups each month. Right now, get a 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.040 two hundred and fifty dollars prepaid card when you switch 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:23.880 to Credo and they'll donate fifty dollars to the Transgender 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:28.160 Law Center with Code Podcast fifty. That's Credomobile dot Com 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:35.080 Code Podcast fifty. Interesting and relatable topics, knowledgeable guests, highly entertaining, 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.839 and informative. Words that describe CNN's podcast Chasing Life with 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.400 Doctor Sanjay Gupta. As I talked to doctor Rich, what 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.080 really stood out to me was his approach to treating 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:48.400 his patients. The therapeutic goal of treatment for problematic interactive 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:53.000 media use cannot be abstinates. This is an essential tool 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:57.000 and essential skill of our time. Listen to Chasing Life 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:01.080 with Sanjay Gupta on the iHeartRadio app. He'll forget about 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.560 the video game you gave him on his birthday. Wow, 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.760 Thanks Grandpa. But he'll never forget how you invested in 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:11.200 his future with the unst app. Wow, Thanks Grandpa. The 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.080 unstapp makes it easy for grandparents and family friends to 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.200 give funds to a child's investment account for a limited time. 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.399 Download the unst stapp and use the code I Heart 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:21.720 fifty at sign up to receive a fifty dollar bonus 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.120 when you find your account. That's code I Heart fifty 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.000 when you sign up at unest dot COO for a 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.600 fifty dollars bonus. See terms and conditions at unest dot coo. 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.560 Have you cut the chord and are feeling bored with 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:37.880 your streaming services, Curiosity Stream can help. With thousands of 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.600 documentary films and TV shows. Let Curiosity Stream put the 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.040 science back in your screen time, astound you with history, 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.240 come to life and wildlife that will reach out and 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:52.680 grab you. We've got the fix for your nonfiction fascination 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.080 with monthly, annual, and bundled plans. Find one for you 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:03.200 at curiosity stream dot com. Welcome to the Pike to Massacre, 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:07.480 Season two returned to Pike County, a production of iHeartRadio 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:13.880 and Katie Studios. Heavenly followed. We are gathered here today 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.240 let us now our head. It was a really good wedding. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:27.080 She had a camouflage dress and gianta camo tugs. Eight 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:31.280 bodies have been discovered, all members of the Rodent family. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:35.720 The largest case Ohio's State investigators I've ever seen. I 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.519 told her, I said, listen, you don't want to marry him, 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:42.079 and she said, well, whying on? I said, because his 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:47.560 mom is very control Wayne les join hands. From what 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.840 we hear, the relationship was intense. It founded like the 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:55.160 half fields of numbccoy's taken to the instagram. So long 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.480 as you both shallowed. Four members of the Wagner family 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.160 have been charged with eight count It's an aggravated murder. 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.359 I have never encountered queer. An entire family is accused 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:08.000 of the mass murder of another family. Is something so 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:13.720 horrific has occurred, and it's almost beyond explanation. When I 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.680 look at one particular picture from the wedding day, it's 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.120 impossible to believe that nearly half of the people are 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:26.920 dead and half our accused of their murders. This is 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:32.000 the Pikety Massacre. Season two returned to Pike County. Episode 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:42.640 one ties that bind I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.360 at Katie Studios with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane. On 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.680 the morning of April twenty second, twenty sixteen, authorities found 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.920 eight members of the Rodent family brutally gunned down across 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.760 four different crime scenes in Pike County, Ohio. Two years later, 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.880 in November of twenty eighteen, four members of the Wagner 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.880 family were arrested for their murders. It was a gruesome 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.320 crime that shocked the nation. We've been following the Roden 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.000 family murder case since we made a documentary about it 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.200 a few years ago. We were in the middle of 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.600 producing season two of this podcast when we suddenly learned 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.400 of a shocking development that none of us were expecting. 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.760 The fifth anniversary of the murders of our social media 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.120 folks started hearing people posting, Hey, there's a hearing fan, 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:25.839 you got to be there. There might be something big 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.200 going down. The ECI has told the Roden family to 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.160 be at the Pike County Courthouse at one thirty for 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.840 a hearing. Breaking news tonight. Shocking new developments from Pike County. 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.160 April twenty second of two thousand and sixteen, eight members 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.400 of the Roden family were found dead at four different properties. 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.440 Investigation lasted nearly two years before authorities arrested Jane Wagner 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:46.480 along with several members of his family. A lot of 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.599 people care about it, a lot of people know about it, 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.560 and a lot of people are talking about it today. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:55.039 On Thursday, April twenty second, twenty twenty one, the five 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.640 year anniversary of the murders, we sat at our computers 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:01.080 watching a live stream from the Pike County Courthouse. And 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.120 there he was, Jake Wagner, flanked by his two attorneys 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:14.000 as Judge Randy Deering entered the courtroom. Thank you, which 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.760 for the record. I then found myself and Rob Pike 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.200 can prosecutor. I'm here on behalf of the State of 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.680 Ohio on State of Ohio versus Edward J. Wicker, and 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.320 that would be Pike County Common Police ACOS Case twenty 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.200 eighteen CR. I wanted to be four if you want 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.599 the court or not. Dave marks the fifth anniversary of 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.760 the homicides of eight members of the Roots namilies and 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.040 Gilly families. And as it is the fifth anniversary, this 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:39.800 is a pretory a ton of horse that we have 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.599 preached an agreement with this defendant, Edward D. Wagner, to 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:49.760 resolve this case. Prosecutor Rob Junk listed off the names 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.400 of each Slane member of the Ruden family, Christopher Rudden, Seen, 0:05:54.040 --> 0:06:00.320 Gary Ruden, Clarence Frankie Rudden, Kenneth Ruden, Hannah Gilly being 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:05.400 a manly Hannah Rudy, and Christopher Ridden Junior. When Judge 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.719 Deering asked Jake how he pled to each aggravated murder charge, 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:20.760 he replied with one simple phrase, what I am. We've 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.920 realized that this whole case had blown open and we'd 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.320 be following in real time. We immediately got on the 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.720 phone with some of the journalists and experts that have 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.760 been covering the case. The closest across the board. There 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:35.600 was one pretty consistent reaction. Absolutely stunned. I mean honestly, 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.719 you could have knocked me over with a feather. I 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.159 didn't see it coming. When we heard the judge say, 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:43.440 I understand you're here to make it agreement, and we're like, 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.799 oh my gosh, this is huge. I was really surprised, 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.360 especially as long and hard as they fought it. It 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.760 was a total shock. I was sitting in a restaurant 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.920 when I got the call and I almost fell out 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.960 of the booth after all of these years, that somebody 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.800 is going to suddenly say, yeah, you know, I know. 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.119 We've said you know several times over the last five years. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:08.200 We've vehemently denied any involvement in this and acted offended, 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.560 and then all of a sudden, like, oh yeah, well, 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.240 one of them changed their minds. It was a little 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:18.400 bit stunning, but it was Jake, because everybody who's really 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:23.120 covered this case closely thought if anybody wavered, it would 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:28.520 have been George. Our first question, why did Jake Wagner 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.600 finally break I don't know that any of us would know. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.680 Is he going to tell us? Why? Why would you 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:38.200 make this deal? Was he doing this to save their lives? 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.720 Or was he just turning on them? I can't say 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.960 for sure. Is there a likelihood that the other family 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:50.800 members will plead out, I mean, it's entirely possible. Just 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.400 weeks before the hearing, we had received a photo from 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:57.160 Pike County native Christina, her sister Tabitha, was once married 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.640 to the eldest accus son, George Wagner. In light of 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.400 Jake's plea deal, the image is nothing short of chilling 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.920 we posted on our Instagram at Katie Underscore Studios. It's 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.400 a picture of both the Roden and Wagner families gathered 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.520 together to celebrate George and Tabitha's wedding back in twenty twelve. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.000 Looking at it, it's impossible to imagine that, aside from 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.960 the bride, half the people pictured would be dead, the 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.880 other half accused of their murders. Yet here they are 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:30.160 embracing in happier times. At the left of the photo 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.880 is Jake Wagner, the youngest accused son who we just 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:37.320 heard plead guilty. He's smiling, his right hand resting on 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:42.559 his accused mother, Angela Wagner's arm. Standing behind them at 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:48.040 six foot six is Jake's accused father, Billy Wagner, noticeably emotionless. 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.120 Standing next to Billy Wagner in the photo is father 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:57.320 and victim Chris Rodin senior family friends. Stefane remembers Chris's 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:03.280 expert craftsmanship and genuine kindness. He was an amazing carpenter, 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:07.760 his imagination. If they said money's no object, you would 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.400 be amazed at the things that he could do, and 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:16.320 you couldn't ask for a better person. Coroner Distinguished Professor 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.920 and criminal forensic expert Joseph Morgan tried to make sense 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.319 of the Rodent murders, starting with father and family patriarch 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.280 Chris Senior. Some of this will be hard to hear, 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.439 particularly if you're personally connected to the tragedy, but it's 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.320 important to understand the magnitude of what happened that night. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:36.000 He was shot nine times. Now, for me, as a 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.480 forensic investigator, I would look at that and I would 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:43.720 deem that as overkill. And you know, why would somebody 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:48.200 need to be shot nine times? They're saying that there's 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.400 evidence that he attempted or reacted at least to the 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.680 point where he raised his arm, his right forearm, and 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.280 it shattered one of the bones. When you've gotten an 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.479 individual that he's gotten defensive, that person has an awareness, 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.880 so that goes to a level of callousness that that's 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:12.120 Roses too. Standing just in front of Chris Senior in 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.199 the wedding photo with his father's arm draped around his shoulder, 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.480 is the youngest Roden victim, sixteen year old Chris Junior, 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:23.640 affectionately called Little Chris. Brittany was Chris Junior's best friend, 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.760 well Chris, he taught me how to love life, you know, 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:32.480 look at life differently. I can't explain that like it 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:39.840 makes you will to cry. Roden family members spoke to 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:44.120 reporters about Chris Junior soon after the murders. Christopher get 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:48.319 to go to prom. Do you just kind of driver? Super? So? 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:55.920 He's sixteen years old. He had a whole life. Sixteen 0:10:56.000 --> 0:11:00.600 year old Chris Junior was shot four toms, including twice 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.199 in the top of his head. He was sound wished 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:09.280 behind his bed, implying that he was trying to hide 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:14.760 from the killer. Killers. Just in backup Chris Junior and 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.559 the photo stands his older brother, twenty year old victim 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.480 Frankie Roden. Christina knew Frankie growing up. Frankie and he 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:23.920 was the kind of guy like he did a first sure, 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.520 hunting fisher and all that, but he did like Derby's 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.880 bad working on carters and stuff. That was his passion. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.840 Frankie Rodin was engaged to victim Hannah Gilly, not pictured 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.120 just before the murders. The couple had had their first 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.480 child together. They're six month old and Frankie's three year 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.360 old son were left alive at the scene. Frankie and Hannah, 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.719 they did want more children, and you know, they had 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:52.559 a bright future and just oh it just it just 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.079 hurts my heart to think that, you know, they'll never 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.600 get to go on with their future plans. You know, 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.880 twenty year old Frankie Road was shot three times in 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.760 the head as he lay in bed next to its 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:10.600 fiance and they're six month old. We talked about Hannah 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:15.760 Gillie Hayes shot five times. She catches one in the eye. 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.600 It poses this idea, why are you shooting these people 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.400 in the face. What's the purpose of it? Because not 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.280 only shoe him in the flacier, shoe him multiple times? 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.120 What thread did she thought she's laying there was her 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:33.199 child in the bed. To the right of the group photograph, 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.400 we see the two newlyweds, the accused eldest son, George 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:41.439 Wagner and his new bride smiling excitedly. We believe that Dana, 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.560 victim and matriarch of the Road and family, was behind 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.839 the camera taking the photo. Christina remembered Dana Road in 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.760 that day in twenty twelve. She seemed pretty bubbly. You know, 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:56.040 she's get along with her family. I've seen her laugh 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.920 and with a most way. She's going around taking picture 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:04.440 of everything. Dana Roden and Chris Roden Senior were married 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:08.160 for thirteen years. Even though they divorced, they remained friends. 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.040 In fact, Dana lived just down the road in a 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.560 home that Chris Senior had purchased for her. Two weeks 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:17.000 before their murders. She had just returned home from a 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.600 double shift at her job as a nurse that fateful night. 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.560 Here is Stefanne, one of Dana Roden's closest friends. She 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.920 was such a good person. But you know, she would 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:29.079 fight for her family. She would literally fight for her family. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.680 And goodhearted, a lot of fun, you know, always laughing, 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.280 cracking up. Yeah, from why we hear she was like 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:41.080 really strong, welled and really smart. Yeah, she show was 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.160 she She was a very very good person. She's very smart. 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:49.280 She again, like Chris Senior, was shot multiple toms, And 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.600 not only was she shot multiple tims, but specifically reports 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:59.640 have her having been shot five toms four times. Pull 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:04.360 Tom in the head. You know, why the hell would 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.720 you shoot somebody four times in the head, because you 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:13.199 know one should suffice. But the shooter took the time 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:18.000 to take that muzzle of that weapon. Stick it beneath 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.400 Dana's chin. Stick it beneath her chin. Now, this is 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:27.680 a common location for suicide, all right, this is atypical 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:34.320 for homicide. Victim Gary Rodin, Chris Senior's cousin, also not pictured, 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.320 was a beloved member of the family. By all accounts, 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:41.320 Gary and Chrissior were very close. Here's Angeanette Levy. She's 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.080 an Emmy nominated Ohio reporter who has been covering the 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.880 case since the beginning. Gary just happened to be at 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:51.280 Chris's home that night. He was actually from Kentucky, so 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:53.560 you know, he didn't even live in the area or 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.360 the neighborhood, but you know, lived close enough to where 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.520 he was staying with Chris that evening. We do know 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.440 that the shooter was very very close to Gary when 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.640 they fired, because they talk about what is referred to 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.000 as a press contact bench at wanted it if our 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.440 listeners will essentially take your index finger, okay, and point 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:16.800 it towards the palm of your hand and extend the 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.280 tip of your finger maybe I don't know, probably about 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.320 half an inch away from the surface of your palm. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.760 That's kind of what we would refer to as a 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.880 contact moon. And what that means is that you're going 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.120 to have you know, the bullet's not the only thing 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.880 coming out of the end of the weapon. You're going 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.440 to have the fire that actually the ignition of the 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.400 bullet in the round. You'll have this burning the powder 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.920 that's coming out. You'll have unburned powder that's coming out. 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:48.720 So this is a very intimate event. Kenneth Roden, Chris 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.640 Sior's brother, who was also missing from the photo, was 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.280 not with the family that day. He was, you know, 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.560 a great father and he would do anything for anybody. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:03.480 You've got Annas who was actually again shot in the face, 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.760 and not only was he shot and facing was shot 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.040 in my eye. You know what does it say that 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.120 they would take the time and put themselves in a 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:15.360 position where they could be face to face with Kenneth. 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.560 She was found covered with dollar bills that were stream 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:23.000 about his body. He's just god, I mean, he can't 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:28.680 he can't make this up. Standing front and center in 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.680 the picture is then fifteen year old victim Hannah Rodin. 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.000 She's in a black bridesmaid's dress and leans in close 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:39.280 to her boyfriend accused younger son, Jake Wagner, their child 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.800 together would eventually become the alleged center point of this crime. 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.240 They had been dating for a few years when the 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:50.840 photo was taken and appeared very happy. Jake Wagner was 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.720 Hannah Roden's first love. Christina told us things between them, 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:59.480 we're getting serious. I heard Hannah and Jake like talking 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:04.359 about how good and pretty Tabby and George's wedding was 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:09.520 that they hoped whenever they get married that it'll be 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:13.680 pretty like that and all that good stuff. Brittany was 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.919 also friends with Hannah. She was great, She was funny. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.720 She was really funny. She was really really nice. She 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.520 knew everyone. Everyone knew her, and she just like talked 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.120 to everyone. She wasn't stuck up or anything like that, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:30.240 and she lived life to the fullest. Prior to the murder, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.040 Hannah Rodin had broken up with Jake Wagner. She had 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.520 started dating someone new, and the pair had a baby 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.440 together that she gave birth to four days before the murders. 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:42.320 Hannah rod She was shot twice in the head as 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:47.200 her four day old newborn lay beside her. Maybe they're 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.240 curled in a fetal posture along with her baby, just 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.679 curled in a fetal posture. Mama was slowly stroking the 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.000 head of the baby. Try to, you know, calp sue 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.639 the baby during the night. Maybe she awakes and breastfeeds 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.560 the baby year in the night while she's sleeping. It's 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.400 a position people will slept in for thousands and thousands 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:08.640 of years. It's a position of comfort. You imagine you're 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.200 laying there, you're there to protect your baby, and you're 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:15.920 curled up on your side. There's an awareness. The only 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.480 people left alive were three children, Hannah's forty old infant, 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.560 Frankie's five year old son from a previous relationship, and 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.240 the six month old baby he shared with his fiancee, 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:31.359 Hannah Gilly. The choice to spare the children left investigators perplexed. 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.119 Here's James Pilcher. He's an on air reporter for Local 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:38.920 twelve News in Cincinnati, Ohio, and a longtime investigative journalist 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.400 in the area. Usually when you have a mass shooting 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:47.200 or a mass murder, everybody's killed. So to see that 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.400 three kids, all under the age of three years old. 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:55.040 Some infants were left unharmed next to their parents who 0:18:55.080 --> 0:19:00.240 were shot dead. Very very unusual. Soon after the murders, 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.280 of the Roden family gave a statement to the local 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.679 media pleading for help and finding their families killers. We 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.119 know what follows is difficult listening, but we want to 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.600 acknowledge the pain the entire surviving Roden family has gone 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:16.320 through a lots of people. They lose one family member, 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:20.720 and when you lose eight, nobody has any idea what 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:26.640 we've been through our lives as them right now, They'll 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:31.159 never be so. They stole so much from us. The 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:36.000 killers stole so much. They stole their lives that they 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:40.280 stole ours to because we live with it every day. 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.800 Met my brothers, who are good people. They would do 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:53.639 anything to help you. Dana was a wonderful person. She 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.760 always try to help do stuff. From my mom, from 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:05.919 Frankie is On say, Hannah, we're taken away from their kids. 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:13.640 They were taken away from us. My niece, Hannah May, 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.280 she had a baby that I haven't even got to meet. 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:24.159 The Gillies, Gary's mom and dad. They only know what 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:28.040 we are all going through, and I know that in 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:33.760 their hearts, in their minds, they're hoping and praying every 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:41.280 day just like we are, that whoever did this will 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:50.320 be brought to justice. Looking back at the wedding photo. 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:52.680 What's hard to wrap our heads around is that all 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:55.600 the players are in this one picture Christina gave us. 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.800 There they are the Wagners and the road and smiling together. 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.800 And just six years later, in November twenty eighteen, the 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.760 Wagner family would be arrested for the murders of the Routens. 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:11.080 We promised that the day would come when arrest would 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:16.359 be made in the Pike County massacres. Today or that day. 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.320 Billy Wagner, his wife Angela, and their two sons, George 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:24.000 and Jake are accused of multiple counts of murder. Billy, Angela, George, 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.280 and Jake Wagner were all charged with eight counts of 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:31.760 aggravated murder. Additionally, Angela Wagner's mother, Rita Newcombe, and Billy's mother, 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:35.440 Frederica Wagner were accused of perjury and obstructing justice for 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:40.760 allegedly misleading investigators. Angela's mother, Rita Newcombe, was also charged 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:44.439 with forging custody documents to cover up the crimes. What 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:47.920 was surprising was that you had these two grandmothers arrested. 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:53.480 Frederico Wagner and then Angela Wagner's mother, Rita Newcomb. You 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.879 had two grandmothers being charged with helping to cover up 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:59.360 these crimes. Because then it your mind kind of goes 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.720 wild naturally, think, well, did they know before it happened? 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:04.560 You know, if you're alleging they were part of a 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:08.119 cover up. What happened? Though, Rita Joe Nukam reached a 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.240 plea deal in which the bulk of the charges were 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.960 dismissed and the charges against Fredrika Wagner were eventually dropped. 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.280 The suspicion around the family grew, and the ties that 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:26.840 bound the Wagners and the Rodents came into focus. We're 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.000 going to take a quick break here. We'll be back 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:34.320 in a moment. Like many of us, you might think 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:37.480 identity theft will never happen to you, but consider this. 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:40.760 There's a new identity theft victim every three seconds in 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:44.080 the US. That's over fifteen million people by the end 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:46.960 of this year, equal to the populations of New York, 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:51.800 Los Angeles, and Chicago combined. Even worse, identity theft victims 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:55.320 often don't even know they're victims. That's why LifeLock identity 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:58.720 theft protection helps you identify threats even the ones that 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.680 don't show up on a credit part like data breaches, 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:06.080 fraudulent bank transactions, loan and credit card applications, and crimes 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:09.600 committed in your name. If your identity is stolen, your 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:13.639 own dedicated LifeLock US based restoration specialist will work to 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:17.040 fix it. No one can prevent all identity theft, but 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:20.040 LifeLock protects you in ways that you simply can't on 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.840 your own. Save up to twenty five percent your first 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:26.600 year at LifeLock dot com slash iHeart. That's LifeLock dot 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.520 com slash iHeart to save up to twenty five percent. 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:36.480 Identity theft protection starts here. Smart journalism, fascinating topics. Words 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:40.560 that describe CNN's podcast The Assignment with Audi Cornish. I'm 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:44.080 Audi Cornish, host of The Assignment, a new weekly podcast 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.760 from CNN. We're going to talk about things you might 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:48.520 not want to bring up at the dinner table, from 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.040 the economy of sex work to the politics school boards, 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:56.159 conversations with everyday people who don't make the headlines they 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:59.600 live them. Listen to The Assignment with Audi Cornish on 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:05.359 the Heart radio app. Curiosity Stream is the streaming service 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:08.200 built by and for people who want to know more 0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:12.679 more about our world and beyond. Curiosity Stream has the 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:16.240 best collection of documentary films and TV shows about everything 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.479 from the history of human migration to the future of 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:23.760 space travel. With thousands of titles, Curiosity has something for 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:30.560 everyone science, wildlife, travel, human stories, culture, and pretty much 0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:34.480 anything you're curious about. Watch Curiosity Stream on your TV 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.760 or any digital device all around the world. Just go 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.800 to curiosity stream dot com to sign up or download 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:43.679 the app. Now you'll have access to brand new titles 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:47.120 dropping every week, filled with new discoveries and new stories 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.480 that will open your eyes to the world around us. 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:52.920 And with monthly, annual, and bundled pricing plans, it's easy 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.120 to find one that works for you and your budget. 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:59.160 Go to curiosity stream dot com to satisfy your curiosity 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:04.679 and sign up today. US Bank is ranked number one 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:08.240 in customer satisfaction with retail banking in California by JD Power. 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:11.080 Since California is home to most award shows, we've prepared 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:14.320 a thank you speech to Californians everywhere We've been proud 0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.880 to help you plan budget and safe smarter. Our goal 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:19.480 tracking and budgeting tools would have no place to shine 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:21.040 if it weren't for you, and we can't thank you 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.040 enough for that, and thank you to our real life 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:25.800 humans who go above and beyond for our customers every 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:30.000