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Speaker 1: Season two returned to Pike County, a production of iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: The largest case Ohio's State investigators I've ever seen. I

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Speaker 1: the Pikety Massacre. Season two returned to Pike County. Episode

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Speaker 1: one ties that bind I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer

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Speaker 1: there was a fight over the kids. That was that

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00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: was troubling to me personally, Like who would do that?

427
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: To have custody and to be able to love and

428
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: nurture or a child and yet have that act of

429
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: violence within themselves, to do that on their behalf. Those

430
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: are two things that I just can't rectify in my mind.

431
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: It's human nature to ask why why would someone perpetrate

432
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: something so horrific. They'll think about what that means, We're

433
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: going to eradicate you off the face of the planet.

434
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 1: That's that's well, that's that's so on a biblical scale,

435
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: when you begin to think of, by God, we're going

436
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: to make sure that they're not just dead, they're Julius

437
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: Caesar dead. After their arrest, the Wagners continue to maintain

438
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: their innocence and their family was with them every step

439
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: of the way. Here's grandmother Frederica Wagner responding to reporters

440
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: when asked if she thought her family was involved in

441
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: the Roden murders. Absolutely not, no nywhere near that place said.

442
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: In the two years since the arrest, most have considered

443
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: the Wagners as the most likely suspects in the Roden murders.

444
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: It appeared that they were a very close group who

445
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: discreetly planned this massacre for months. But at the same time,

446
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: it's just beyond the pail to kill an entire family

447
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: over custody. And now after Jake Wagner's bombshell plea deal,

448
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: we wondered was the Wagner bound breaking the Waggoners were

449
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: a cult like family. And if what the Waggoners are

450
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: accused of doing to the Rodents, I mean they're accused

451
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: of doing this together. They're accused of trying to cover

452
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: it up together as a family, and the old cliche

453
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: blood is thicker than water. Well, cult like, I don't

454
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: know what the probability of in a cult one telling

455
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: on another, especially with the consequences that would come down

456
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: if one waggoner told on another and you know, one

457
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: went to prison, you know, as if the state had

458
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: to depend on one waggoner telling on another, the chances

459
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: of that happening are likely not very good. Now, finally,

460
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: there may be some answers. You know, who went into

461
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: what home, who died first, why they died, you know,

462
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: why they chose to spare the children. So I would

463
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: just hope we get to hear finally from someone, at

464
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: least in Jake Wagner's case. I mean, where's the remorse?

465
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: You know, is the remorse for what happened? And if not, man,

466
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: this is again, if there's a level beyond cold blooded evil,

467
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: If there is a level beyond that, I think we

468
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: have seen it. I don't know that we know what

469
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: to call it. In all, Jake Wagner pled guilty to

470
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: all eight aggravated murder charges, as well as to fifteen

471
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: other criminal accounts that included conspiracy, aggravated burglary, and tampering

472
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: with evidence. He also named his father Billy, his mother Angela,

473
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: and brother George Wagner as co conspirators. In exchange for

474
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: his plea, the death sentence was taken off the table

475
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: for him and the rest of his family. But perhaps

476
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: what's most shocking is that Jake is actually going to

477
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: testify against all of his family members. It seems, at

478
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: the bare minimum, there's not a Wagner that's stepping out

479
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: of prison anytime soon. The following is real time audio

480
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: from the courtroom when the prosecution laid out the charges

481
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: against Shake Wagner. The information that Jake provided clearly immigrating

482
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: he and each members of his family to include Billy

483
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: Angela and George Wagner as being guilty of all accounts

484
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: containing the indictments filed in this manner. Based on the

485
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: frutality of the information now known by the state, including

486
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: the fourth right statements of the defendant, we have overwhelming

487
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: evidence that the defendant and the three co defendant members

488
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: of his family are in fact responsible for planning and

489
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: carrying out the homicides. Jake admitted that in the lake

490
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: evening hours of ABL twenty first, two thousand and sixteen

491
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: into the early morning hours of Able twenty second, two sixteen,

492
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: is when they committed these comicides. We know that they

493
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: trespassed into each of the four residents where the victims

494
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: were found with the intent to kill them, and that

495
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: they were armed for firearms, at least two of which

496
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: had homing silencers at fixed to them when they did so.

497
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: We know that they conspired together and planned this homicides

498
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: for the months that led up to the offenses, and

499
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: that all four co defendants took part of that as

500
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: well as making various purchases to accomplish their goal. We

501
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: know that they renew the phones of all two of

502
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: the victims and cameras and other surveillance equipment of the

503
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: victims in order to avoid detection. Jake also admitted to

504
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: personally killing five members of the rodents himself, though the

505
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: victims were unnamed at this As noted RNA, the defendant

506
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: has in essence confessed and apologized for committing these offenses

507
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: with his family and numbers, and admits to personally causing

508
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: the death by the aid victims and either committing all

509
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: of the other offenses contained in the indictment directly or

510
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: by being complicit in them. It was also noted that

511
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: Wagner provided investigators with information that led to the recovery

512
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: of the weapons and vehicles used in the murders. Most recently,

513
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,239
Speaker 1: your honor, the State set down with Jake Wagner, who

514
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: has provided the State with many more details regarding these offenses,

515
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: some of which were very consistent with what the State

516
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: or were to view and with the evidence that had

517
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: already been collected. Some of the information information, however, that

518
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: was provided by Jake, who was new. In addition to

519
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: the information that Jay provided us, what he told us

520
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: led us to discover some evidence that had yet to

521
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: be recovered, specifically the weapons that were used in these offenses,

522
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: along with vehicles that were used during these offenses, including

523
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: one that the box specifically to use the Knight of

524
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: the Homicides only. Though Jake was spared the death penalty,

525
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: prosecutors pulled no punches with his sentence. Sing As part

526
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: of this flea, the state he is agreed to dismiss

527
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: the death specification in exchange the defendant in the State

528
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: making joint recommendation to the court with the defendant received

529
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: eight consecutive life without whole sentences for his pleas of

530
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: guilty to counsel one Groogate in the indictment. Jake's lawyers

531
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: responded we're fully satisfied and scorned, eyes wide open into disagreement.

532
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: He knows he's going to die in prison without any

533
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: judicial release. And as he just said, and I appreciate

534
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: it's kind up of mentioning it, and as I'm sure

535
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: he'll say more one the day of sentencing arrives. As

536
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: horrifying as this is, for all, he was as sorry

537
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: as he One moment from the court proceedings stood out

538
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: to us. When the judge was running through each victim

539
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: and got to Hannah Rodin, it was impossible not to

540
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: notice when Jake Wagner had an audible pause and he

541
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: noticeable smirk. What do you make of the smirk when

542
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: he is pleading guilty? He kind of smiled. I don't

543
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: know if you noticed that. Oh I sure did. That's

544
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: Mike Allen. He's a former prosecutor and now a criminal

545
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: defense attorney in Ohio. He's been covering the case for years.

546
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can work up a smile.

547
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 1: I don't care what you're thinking for something like that.

548
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: What does that say about Jay Quagmack. I mean, he's

549
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: got a depraved mind. Anybody that could do that, it

550
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: would not meet obviously the legal definition of sanity. But

551
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, there's something wrong with him that you can

552
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: be that cold to go about doing that. I mean, really,

553
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: that's all I can say. I've been at this stuff

554
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: for a long time and I've never seen one, just

555
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: as I guess the order, it comes in my mind

556
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: as hardcore as this whenever I've seen a little part

557
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: where he was like confessing to and it looked like

558
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: he was trying to hold back a laugh or so

559
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I don't know if your horns are

560
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: showing or if you're just kind of like one of

561
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: those awkward laugh There was a different reaction when Hannah's

562
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: name came up. Maybe his reaction was like that because

563
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: like he personally killed her or something. Ohio Governor Mike Dwine,

564
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: who presided over the investigation as Attorney General, was at

565
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: the Pike County Courthouse as Jake's hearing unfolded. Well, we've

566
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: all read or heard of the book in cold Blood.

567
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: This was cold, cold, cold blood. I mean, this was calculated,

568
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: planned out, and then it just you know, I mean,

569
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: it just chills you to think about the calculation that

570
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: goes into something like this. Five years ago, today I

571
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: was here. We met with family members in the church.

572
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: I committed to them that we would find who did

573
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: this and that we would bring them to justice. There

574
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: was a lot of justice done today, and there was

575
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: a collective sigh of relief from locals in southern Ohio.

576
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: Pike County resident Barbe explained her initial shock. I can't

577
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: imagine that he would admit to murdering eight people, and

578
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: if he didn't really do it, he said guilty. I thought,

579
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: are you lying? What are you? What are you doing?

580
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: You know? But then I thought, oh my god, I

581
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: just it blew my mind. Brittany tried to come to

582
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Speaker 1: terms with the news. I'm just focusing on the good

583
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: and a good thing happened today, and I know that

584
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: there in heaven looking down and just thinking how stupid

585
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: the wageners are thinking they would get away with it.

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Speaker 1: Christina put the day's events and perhaps the most poetic

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Speaker 1: The question remains, why did JA do this? Now he

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00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: was doing it to keep himself from getting the death sentence,

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Speaker 1: and pretty much powing on the rest of the family. Light. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna drive you guys down, but I'm gonna save

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Speaker 1: my butt from Yeah again the death been was he

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Speaker 1: pleading guilty to save himself for his family. The family

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00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: has done nothing but fight, fight, fight, and profess their

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00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: innocence in this whole time. And you know, I thought

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Speaker 1: that they would fight this to the bitter end and

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Speaker 1: ticket to trial and see what they could do a trial.

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Speaker 1: So now you know, if Billy the controlling figure or

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Speaker 1: Mom the controlling figure and doesn't around, Jake's there to

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Speaker 1: think for himself. He apparently, you know, has information on

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Speaker 1: a lot of them, and yes he did throw them

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00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: under the bus, but perhaps he saved their lives. What's

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00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: in store for Jake's co conspirators. None of the other

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00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: Wagners have pleaded guilty, so what could we see if

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Speaker 1: they go to trial. I just think for a family

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Speaker 1: that was so united and you know, did things like

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Speaker 1: take votes on finances and wives and children, I mean

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Speaker 1: they were they lived, you know, as one unit, the

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Speaker 1: prosecution has said in court papers, and these people didn't

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Speaker 1: thing without consulting the other. This is a massive break,

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00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: a massive shift. It's like a like a huge creator

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the Wagner family kind of united science.

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Speaker 1: He is going to testify against his family members. Now,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know of I don't know of

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Speaker 1: anybody in Hollywood that could write a better script than that.

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Speaker 1: You know, how compelling is that something that has this

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00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: kind of gothic undertone to it. You know, in rural America,

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00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: where these individuals are going to, you know, come forward

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00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: and stand and stare at him. You think about staring

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Speaker 1: into the eyes of your kin folks across the room

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00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: as you're sitting in the dock there, and you're looking

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Speaker 1: at them straight in the eyes, and people that you've

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Speaker 1: spent Thanksgivings with, Christmases, you know, these moments throughout your life,

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Speaker 1: and you're looking at them, and you're potentially sending them

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Speaker 1: to the proverbial gallows by virtue of what you're going

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Speaker 1: to say. But what happens if the other three Wagners

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00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: reached plea deals as well, if any other guilty plea

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Speaker 1: in this case ends the way Jake Wagner's ended, We

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Speaker 1: still may not know exactly why this happened. It seemed

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Speaker 1: like the impossible murder, and you go back to April

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen and a month after. I mean, everyone had

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Speaker 1: assumed that this was a drug cartel hit. It fit,

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Speaker 1: It made sense. The only way this could happen is

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Speaker 1: a highly skilled, trained assassin would come in and pull

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Speaker 1: this off and get away with it. I want to

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00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: know exactly what happened that night, you know, how do

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00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: they get in the homes? We know the end, We've

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00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: got some idea what happened in the middle, but I

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00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: think I want to know about the beginning. You know,

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00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: was this truly about custody? You know, I would just

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Speaker 1: like to know, you know, exactly why from Jake Wagner.

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Speaker 1: When did the switch flip to where the only resolution

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Speaker 1: to whatever was going on between him and the Rodents

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00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: at that point was to go and kill them all.

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00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: It makes absolutely no sense. One thing is certain. There's

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Speaker 1: only more bombshells to come. We will be tracking the

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Speaker 1: case in real time as they develop, and it proves

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Speaker 1: that the investigators and the prosecutors did their job. It

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Speaker 1: was the biggest murder case in the history of the state,

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00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: and they got their man. The relationship fractured, however we

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Speaker 1: want to describe it. You know, there's no turning back

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Speaker 1: to this family. Now the prosecution now holds all the cars,

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Speaker 1: and it seems justice has begun to be served. Now

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