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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. We'll back at our

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Speaker 1: normal time on a Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium. It's Deuce,

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Speaker 1: it's Tamara, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, It's Matt

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Speaker 1: and Nabooth and everyone just came off the practice fields.

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Speaker 1: Number of practice six, day six on a loose track.

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Speaker 1: They went from pads to shells today, which was a

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Speaker 1: little surprising. Back a little bit wich. Probably means they'll

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Speaker 1: be back in pads tomorrow. I'm just guessing.

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Speaker 5: Fred was not happy.

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Speaker 1: Seven. What are we doing here?

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Speaker 6: I had to like squit my eyes and I'm like,

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Speaker 6: do they not have them full pads?

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Speaker 3: I had to feel like I was seeing something.

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Speaker 1: But they were back at it today. They're supposed to

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Speaker 1: be around noon, but they changed it yesterday to a

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Speaker 1: morning practice.

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Speaker 3: Beyonce is here, Beyonce.

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Speaker 1: What's that beyond? Okay, beehive?

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Speaker 3: Beyonce?

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Speaker 1: All right, the beehive is attacking, but she's here tonight.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's why they moved it

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Speaker 1: back up to the morning. I don't know why they

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Speaker 1: moved it in the afternoon to begin with. But anyway, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so what do we think?

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Speaker 7: All Right, everyone's looking at me.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was okay today.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's more of the same it's been,

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Speaker 7: you know, kind of spotty on offense. Take from that

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Speaker 7: what you will. Defense. Those says, you know, look pretty

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Speaker 7: good a couple, you know, I think notable plays to

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Speaker 7: a Parker can test to catch them on the sideline,

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Speaker 7: A miss deep ball to Kendrick Bourne, pretty much touchdown

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Speaker 7: to Hunter Henry. But you know that that was kind

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Speaker 7: of a lot of screens, A lot of screens.

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Speaker 1: Friends of the show, Mike Giardi, yesterday.

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Speaker 8: We got headlines, we got tweets.

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Speaker 5: Stunk I told him describing I told you were a

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Speaker 5: lot more pleasant as a TV personality. I was a writer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, he really he did not have a high

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Speaker 1: opinion of the Patriots wide receiving.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and just in talking to him a little bit,

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Speaker 5: the only thing he said he would probably pull back on,

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Speaker 5: like the whole categorizing of all the receivers. He said,

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Speaker 5: like Juju's a two, you know, Like he was like

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Speaker 5: he felt like he went a little too far with it.

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Speaker 5: But overall, those guys that had a hard time getting

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Speaker 5: open on a consistent basis. The best player that Mike

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Speaker 5: talked about today, Christian Gonzalez was all over Parker. Everything

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Speaker 5: else was with screens, check downs, dump offs, Like they

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Speaker 1: And that's because they're just not doing it. Guys aren't

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Speaker 5: I think that guys are having trouble getting open, and

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Speaker 5: I think the timing's been off. I thought there was

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Speaker 5: a play in seven on sevens. Evan will remember it

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Speaker 5: probably better than I will, But Marcus Jones came off,

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Speaker 5: probably should have picked off a pass. Mack had no idea.

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Speaker 5: He was there and I think the throw was late.

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Speaker 5: I thought Juju was open on that play. I just

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Speaker 1: I would do at least one drill a day for

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Speaker 1: the next week where you got four seconds.

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Speaker 8: That quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Off the top rope.

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Speaker 1: It makes good.

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Speaker 5: Thing went out on TV.

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Speaker 1: He just knocked me over something else. Maybe it's not

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Speaker 1: within three seconds. And every day there's a drill just that,

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Speaker 6: I think is it difficult when you're kind of installing

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Speaker 6: You're kind of just in that part where you're able

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Speaker 6: they're trying to run through plays and also teach them

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Speaker 1: Maybe, but still a play is designed to go a

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Speaker 1: certain way. Let's run the play and throw it where

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Speaker 1: it's supposed to be and if if it gets picked

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Speaker 7: I just I mean, I think they've been in the

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Speaker 7: was a little bit of it today, talked about it

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Speaker 7: on the wrap up show yesterday. I want to see

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Speaker 7: more of it, but you know, at a certain point,

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Speaker 7: it's just they haven't really executed, you know, an intermediate

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Speaker 7: to deep pass game. They haven't really well that's the

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Speaker 1: That's kind of yes, exactly, I don't think they've worked

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Speaker 7: Which is you know, and that's where you know, chick

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Speaker 7: stick the deep ball, but.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's so that's where I'm kind of stuck,

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Speaker 7: is you know, Look, you want to acknowledge, as Tamara said,

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Speaker 7: like new offense and they're starting in the red zone

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Speaker 7: and things are tough, and it's it should be hard

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Speaker 7: And that's what I think have been has been lacking.

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Speaker 7: There's just has been a lack of exciting places. You

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Speaker 7: there there aren't any like Juju Park. None of those

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Speaker 6: Did you did you make anything of how everyone keeps

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Speaker 6: asking if there's a quarterback competition?

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 6: Is this more people trying to make a headline or

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Speaker 6: do you think there's something?

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Speaker 7: I think they just want Bill to say Mac is

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Speaker 7: the starter. Rolling with that, I think's what they want.

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Speaker 5: I totally agree everybody's setting him up to just say

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Speaker 1: I also think it's wishful thinking on a lot of

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Speaker 5: I'm with Mike. I agree with you, Mike. I think

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Speaker 5: they want him to say definitively Mac is the starter,

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Speaker 5: and they don't understand why he won't because it's clear

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Speaker 5: I'm going to want I'm gonna just like dark Evan

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Speaker 5: give the Florida Evan in a second, because I think

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Speaker 5: I might be very much entertained by this rank that's coming.

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Speaker 1: We have a teapot.

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Speaker 5: Full disclosure, Mike and Evan were up on the rams today.

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Speaker 5: I stayed down in the know it all tents, so

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Speaker 5: I am not privy to this rant. But I think

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Speaker 5: there's one coming, just based on the snark and his.

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Speaker 7: Well, well, can I preface it as just ten thirty

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Speaker 7: four practice six? Gimme ZAPPI was the quote.

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Speaker 5: So I really, if you're watching practice, there's no quarterback

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Speaker 5: like Mac is the starter, right, So I don't think

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Speaker 5: anybody wants there to be a controversy. I think everybody

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Speaker 5: won't do it because he won't do it.

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Speaker 1: For whatever reason, I think some people want it, but anyway.

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Speaker 8: I think it's because he's watching practice and I gotta

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Speaker 8: be honest, I they're I don't want to say this

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Speaker 8: like too strongly because I don't. It's We're a week

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Speaker 8: into this, so we got a long way to go.

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Speaker 8: Maybe I'm a little hot, you know, maybe I'm a

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

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Speaker 8: Not no excuses, you know, for me either. But here's

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Speaker 8: the thing. Mac Jones to me has times pretty consistently

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Speaker 8: And I just watched him today the past that Paul

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Speaker 8: started off with in seven on seven, I think that

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Speaker 8: first time where I said give me zappy because we're

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Speaker 8: I'm sitting there up top, and why I love sitting

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Speaker 8: the field and juju is open, juju is open, juju

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Speaker 8: It hung up there. It was late and nearly had

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Speaker 8: seven on seven run and they run the same plays right.

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Speaker 8: Mac runs the set of plays, then Zappi runs a

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Speaker 8: the same play call that both quarterbacks get. Now different personnel,

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Speaker 8: but same play call. Zappi comes back, hits the exact

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Speaker 8: route to Anthony Firkser down the field on a corner ball. Now,

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Speaker 8: Zaby wasn't as good an eleven on elevens. I didn't

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Speaker 8: good run at seven's today. They didn't have as much

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Speaker 8: of a good run in elevens. And Mac didn't make

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Speaker 8: a couple downfield throws. That gave me a little bit

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Speaker 8: of Okay, that's better, you know. I thought the deep

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Speaker 8: ball to Boorn didn't get completed, but he threw it,

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Speaker 8: and that's the more important part. He threw a nice

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Speaker 8: out to Hunter Henry as well, and he was good

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Speaker 8: in the red zone today. But dude, did you write

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Speaker 8: down the time I threw my pen?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 1: Oh god, well, I should have throwing option.

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Speaker 7: He did throw a pen at one point, which one

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Speaker 8: Of So that was a little bit later than the

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Speaker 8: than the Juju one. So they're run, they're running like

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Speaker 8: a vertical on the outside. And then tomorrow Douglas has

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Speaker 8: a little option route in the slot and if he

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Speaker 8: two zone defenders, and the ball is supposed to hit

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Speaker 8: him between the two zone defenders, and Mac sees it developing. Tomorrow,

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Speaker 8: Douglas does exactly what he's supposed to do. And there

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Speaker 8: were two guys in the vicinity, but there was an

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Speaker 1: Is there is it a lack of trust?

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Speaker 9: I do?

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Speaker 8: I think it's confidence. I think it's confidence.

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Speaker 1: I think he's because you got to throw these guys open.

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Speaker 1: You got to assume that they're on their break. They're

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Speaker 1: Remember the days when we watch practice and we go, man,

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Speaker 3: Those days are over.

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Speaker 1: Those days are over, and.

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Speaker 3: Many and you're trying to install your offense?

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Speaker 6: And so in a way, I think it's like hard

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Speaker 3: They have confidence and trust.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's part of it. I mean I

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Speaker 5: And that's not like you can't do that. Why not,

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Speaker 1: But sometimes it is there and you know there There have.

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Speaker 1: Needs to throw it.

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Speaker 5: But I'm not the coverage is better than the receivers.

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Speaker 8: No, I I agree, I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: You need to get open. I'm expecting you to be

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Speaker 5: That's a good habit for a quarterback to get into.

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Speaker 5: Like in a game, I would never throw this, but

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna throw. I sit back of the defense.

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Speaker 7: I said, one drill a day, one drill a day,

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Speaker 7: get it out drill.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, so here's the thing I agree with. I

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Speaker 8: And that's why I don't want to sit here six

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Speaker 8: I think that I have seen somewhat consistently with Mac

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Speaker 1: If my number one receivers route, if it's supposed to

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Speaker 1: I gotta throw that ball because I know when he

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Speaker 7: I thought you were gonna call it Alabama Open, which

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Speaker 1: Is another level college open. College open is different, but

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, and you say you want one drill

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Speaker 8: So please do not take it that way. But I

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Speaker 8: looks like with ZAPPI with the ones, Like, what does

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Speaker 8: It's harder, but harder for Mac. I'm saying, but at

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Speaker 8: I would at least like to see one period of practice,

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Speaker 1: How you have to expose what the problem is. So

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Speaker 5: And this is one of my favorite freddieism zephy. He's

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Speaker 1: I can sense.

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Speaker 5: It's like they know when they watch film, the coaches

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Speaker 1: Why I said that, you think Bill O'Brien is seeing

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Speaker 6: And I will say too, with like the whole NFL

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Speaker 6: Like I think that we haven't really seen him like

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Speaker 3: Get open either.

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Speaker 1: I saw somebody wrote today that Taekwon's dealing with having

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Speaker 5: Really, I just don't know how that can be.

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Speaker 8: But that's my point is like, at what point do

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Speaker 8: It's not gonna be Zappi. It's not gonna you're not

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Speaker 5: I think there's some truth to that like that. I

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Speaker 5: that they had, right, It's there's very little differences. I

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Speaker 5: within five yards of the line of scrimmage on defense, right,

439
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Speaker 5: And if you don't have something to push someone back,

440
00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,640
Speaker 5: you can throw the ball sideways all you want. It's

441
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Speaker 5: going to be hard.

442
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 1: And I think.

443
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,680
Speaker 5: Thornton is that guy. Like to me, he's the guy

444
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Speaker 5: that has to put some stress on a secondary. I'm

445
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,400
Speaker 5: not a big take the top off the defense guy,

446
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 5: but you need somebody to at least put that in

447
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,040
Speaker 5: the back of their minds. And I think Thornton is

448
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 5: the guy ideally, And.

449
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,400
Speaker 7: I just he's been invisible. I don't know, I didn't.

450
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 5: I mean, how to go about it.

451
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Speaker 8: I think that's the biggest thing for me to it

452
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,640
Speaker 8: put it in a way that's not as hot taking is.

453
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 8: You can't you can't what had me be in the

454
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,160
Speaker 8: voice of reason, The whole offense can't be the quick game.

455
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Speaker 5: You can't be hard.

456
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Speaker 8: Way can't be slam, flat screen, motionless motion like you

457
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Speaker 8: can't do that as that's not an offense. That's just

458
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Speaker 8: a part of an offense. And if that's your entire offense,

459
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Speaker 8: that that's the only thing that you can execute at.

460
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 1: A high level become what predictable.

461
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:33,880
Speaker 5: Easy to defense can be a long season Season three.

462
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Speaker 6: One questions for the group with the passing game for

463
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Speaker 6: better word, struggling as much as is right now? Do

464
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Speaker 6: you see like maybe a bigger push for Dobbin Cook

465
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Speaker 6: or Zeke or Leonard Fournette.

466
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Speaker 1: I don't see. Well, Cook helps a little bit, but

467
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Speaker 1: I don't see the other two helping that much in

468
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 1: the passing game. That's still we're still talking about quick

469
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: underneath stuff, which, like Evin said, is part of an offense.

470
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Speaker 7: Well, and that's and that's the like the more tangible

471
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 7: issue that we can certainly talk about, which is the

472
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 7: offensive line is I don't want to say shambles yet,

473
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 7: but it's getting close. It's getting close to shambles. Six

474
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 7: days in the camp.

475
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Speaker 5: When you're missing three of your projected five starters with

476
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Speaker 5: a when you strange and Trent Brown, I don't know

477
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 5: what his deal is, right, So you are operating to

478
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 5: the timing aspect in eleven on eleven's there's not a

479
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 5: lot of time back there. Even when you're in shells,

480
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 5: they're not a lot of time because that's an issue.

481
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 5: But I think it speaks to the lack of depth

482
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 5: at a lot of spots. Mike and I talked in

483
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Speaker 5: the podcast about running back, edge, rusher, tackle, like there's

484
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 5: a scary amount of depth at some of these spots.

485
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 5: You don't have to have fifteen plus injuries to be

486
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 5: in trouble, right, You can lose four or five select

487
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,719
Speaker 5: guys and you could be in trouble.

488
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: We can spend all this time two guys in one

489
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Speaker 1: position group.

490
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 7: We spent all the time talking about the offense and

491
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Speaker 7: what they can't do, and it's like, well, if they

492
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 7: can't block anybody, no matter who.

493
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 5: It's about how difficult it is to scheme around a

494
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 5: lack of tackles.

495
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 7: I mean, there's still part of me that thinks that

496
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 7: this team will get to a place where like they

497
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 7: usually are, when there the situation is favorable. Maybe they

498
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 7: first drive, they get a touchdown there in the lead,

499
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Speaker 7: or the defense puts them up and they're able to

500
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 7: kind of I know.

501
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Speaker 5: They can do that. They can they can do that.

502
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 7: I still have no confidence in this team that that

503
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 7: that they can take that next step that when they're

504
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 7: against the team that can punch back and they're, you know,

505
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 7: down by a couple of scores and they're up against them,

506
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 7: they have to throw? Can they throw? That seems like

507
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 7: a long way.

508
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: To I think one of the causes for hope is

509
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: maybe the defense is really that good. Maybe you know,

510
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm not again, we're not making excuses here for the offense,

511
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 1: but maybe we're looking at a pretty good defense.

512
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 5: It's possible pretty good.

513
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 7: I think the question, though, is is how good of

514
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 7: a defense can you really be in today's game? And

515
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 7: we haven't seen them against you know.

516
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: How good wide receivers two thousand and four?

517
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Speaker 5: How good was like Ty Law and Sante Samuel and

518
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 5: Rodney Harrison. We're pretty good, Mike Rabel. They prebaty found

519
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 5: a way to complete all the passes.

520
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 7: No, I know, I know, go but and they I mean,

521
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 7: but we also have the Super Bowl.

522
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 5: I understand that. But what I'm saying is I do

523
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 5: think the defense is pretty good. Yeah, I'm not telling

524
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 5: you they stink, no, But I'm just I think the

525
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 5: defense is pretty good in practice, you should complete more

526
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 5: than they do. Yeah, in practice, you should complete more

527
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 5: passes than the Patriots have over the last now three camps.

528
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, and let's see the defense go against those guys.

529
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 7: I mean, not that Green Bay is quite, but you know,

530
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 7: get some joint practices. See them go against some other

531
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Speaker 7: talented wide receivers. How does it look down?

532
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: You know? And maybe that's why, I don't know if

533
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: it was yesterday or Sunday, why the defense seemed to

534
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 1: get a little annoyed when the offense did have some

535
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: limited success and started celebrating. It was like, what are

536
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: you doing? We're dominating you. You know, we don't celebrate

537
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 1: every time we break up a pass, you know, like

538
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: that anyway.

539
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 5: Not like you know, not like Mac did on that

540
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 5: scramble twenty minutes after the whistle.

541
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Speaker 1: Great, right, So.

542
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 5: One other thing, I was talking to Zoe yesterday, who

543
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 5: and Michael tell you Zoe's a little bit more in

544
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 5: the Evan camp, Not so much specifically toward Mac, but

545
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 5: everything in general. He's down on offensively, the screen game

546
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 5: that has been such a big part of what the

547
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 5: Patriots do. He thinks has really taking a hit with

548
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 5: the rules. It's not like a revolutionary thought. But not

549
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 5: being able to get those linemen out in space and

550
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 5: being able to cut guys, he thinks has really hurt

551
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 5: their screen game.

552
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: Dante Scarneki, I'll tell you that.

553
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, Dante Scarneki will only believed in cutting guys. Yeah,

554
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 8: on screen.

555
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 5: So yeah, I remember that Stephen Neil one in Atlanta

556
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 5: a years ago. Oh yeah, I can't tell you what

557
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 5: happened yesterday, but I remember that block that Stephen Neil threw.

558
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 8: I talked to David Andrews about that maybe last year,

559
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 8: I think it was, and he had mentioned that he

560
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 8: had to basically retrain his whole thought process because scar

561
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 8: had just drilled into them cut block, cup block, cut block,

562
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 8: and then now you can't do that anymore. So it

563
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,239
Speaker 8: was a completely different technique for him. But I just

564
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 8: I think the frustration is from a bigger pictures perspective,

565
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 8: is just these issues would tackle, these issues with the

566
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 8: receivers can separate. And then you also add into the

567
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 8: fact that your quarterback is not one of these big

568
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 8: time playmakers, like we knew this, we knew all these things,

569
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 8: Like we knew that they needed DeAndre Hopkins, we knew

570
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 8: that they were thin at tackle, and now we're a

571
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 8: week into camp and we're talking about how receivers can't

572
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 8: get open and how they don't have any tackles.

573
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's just frustrating.

574
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 8: How can you not we saw it coming. It's like

575
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 8: you're standing on the tracks and you're waiting for the train,

576
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 8: like we saw it coming. And now here we are

577
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 8: a week in and it's already a talking point, like

578
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 8: we're already having discussions about these things. And I think

579
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 8: that's probably where most of my frustration about.

580
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 7: It comes to tackle one especially. I mean, just think

581
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 7: about the combine, Like we were like the tackle day,

582
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 7: We're like, they can't get out of the second day

583
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 7: of the draft without getting a tackle, and you know,

584
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 7: I know city salary, right, Yeah, now now he's a tackle,

585
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 7: that's how we're working them. But he's you know, buried

586
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 7: on the depth chart, so he doesn't seem like he's

587
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 7: going to be in the mix at right tackle. It

588
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 7: doesn't even really seem like Stuber is even getting a chance.

589
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 7: And that's at least something you could say, hey, here's

590
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 7: a kid in the second year, maybe maybe there's something

591
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 7: here to work with. But they're just continuing to run

592
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 7: those those veterans.

593
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 5: And I thought Stuber on Monday was sort of the

594
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 5: X to tight end is that third tackle on the field,

595
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 5: so you kind of thought, oh, maybe he is making

596
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 5: a little bit of a push. And then today today

597
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 5: it's just and McDermott. You know, like no offense to McDermott.

598
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 8: I know that McDermott's been fine. They ran they ran

599
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 8: pin Poll to Riley Reeves sided two guys, Marty Mapu

600
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 8: and Juwan Bentley would have stuff. They're running back for

601
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 8: a four yard loss and I'm like asking him to

602
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 8: move his feet. Maybe we shouldn't do that's let's let's

603
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 8: run pin Poll to the other side.

604
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: If we're going to do that, yeah, that's good play.

605
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm not wow.

606
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 5: Devastation sets in. We will not be taking a break because.

607
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: Paul, what do we got?

608
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 6: Uh?

609
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: What do we got upstairs?

610
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: In the nothing?

611
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 5: Nothing?

612
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 7: Noot the commons, I don't think check.

613
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: I saw Bradley with a really nice looking ruben.

614
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good sandwich.

615
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: I can't eat that. That's a good sandwich.

616
00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 5: You can't eat those.

617
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: No, why I'm trying to lose weight?

618
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 5: So do you.

619
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: Did? I? There? You go?

620
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 3: What to beach fod seasons over.

621
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: It's not just about the beach.

622
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it.

623
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 5: Spoke quality of life, and it's August. First beach season

624
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 5: is not over right for us?

625
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 7: It is actually mean like nineteen eighty six.

626
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 5: For me, it's been over since nineteen ninety when I

627
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 5: graduated colle.

628
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 7: When I used to follow my shirt on. Oh my

629
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 7: shirt's on, I fell in the pool. What am I

630
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 7: going to do it on?

631
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: I guess? Ah. So it sounds like we're really down

632
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: on the team, but we're not. But well we're we're

633
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: we're frustrated with the offense. I mean, I think and

634
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: you know, we did this last year and we said, oh,

635
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: they'll get they'll get it together, and they never did.

636
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 5: And I honestly don't think it's been as bad as

637
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 5: last year.

638
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, because last year it's been different. Yeah.

639
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: Last year, something just didn't look right, you know, and

640
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: you couldn't stunk and it just it just didn't look right.

641
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: This looks like what they're doing looks fine, but just

642
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: not exit pre.

643
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 7: Stuff looks beautiful. I mean, yea, remember we like we

644
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 7: can't even get a guy in motion with the last

645
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 7: year's offer.

646
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 5: You know, now you can make a document as to

647
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 5: which is worse, right, because I think the execution is

648
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 5: lacking now and last year I thought the design was lacking.

649
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 5: But at least I don't think they had any sort

650
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 5: of creativity at all.

651
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 7: Least I've got the false hope of or they could

652
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 7: get it. I mean, they might all come together.

653
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 5: And to Fred's point about the defense, they've also seen

654
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 5: all of this stuff before, So maybe it will look

655
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 5: different against Green Bay in Tennessee when they're not as oh, well,

656
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 5: you know there you go. They're gonna put this guy

657
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 5: over here, they're gonna pinpull, I'm coming in there. You know,

658
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Speaker 5: like these things are all keys for the defense that

659
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Speaker 5: they know, right, So maybe it will look different when

660
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Speaker 5: they're playing against the defense that doesn't know everything.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. I mean Jalen Mills that interception he had the

662
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Speaker 8: end of practice the other day. He said they ran

663
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Speaker 8: the same play at the day before, so I knew

664
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Speaker 8: it was coming.

665
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Speaker 1: And from where they stand on the field, is there

666
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Speaker 1: any doubt that Steve Belichick is the defensive coordinator of

667
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Speaker 1: this team. I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I've seen Gerard out there kind of direct.

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Speaker 1: And directs he brings in the players in and off

670
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Speaker 1: the sideline and everything. But I think Steve Belichick is

671
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Speaker 1: is the coordinator.

672
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Speaker 8: I think it's the same as it was has been.

673
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Speaker 8: I don't think anything will change.

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Speaker 1: But I think it was a question before. I don't

675
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Speaker 1: think there's any questions.

676
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Speaker 8: Well, I think Steve is the play caller. We've known that, yeah, well,

677
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 8: you know, right, And I think Gerrod handles the sideline substitutions.

678
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Speaker 8: And then from what I've heard, girod Is is a

679
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 8: big presenter and during the week, you know, like.

680
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Speaker 1: To Paul's point, like they've seen this stuff and you know,

681
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: what are the keys? I think it's Steve teaching the

682
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Speaker 1: players what the keys are to look for.

683
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Speaker 8: You know, it's possible, you know, yeah.

684
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Speaker 1: And you know playing defense, keys are That's that's how

685
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: you play your game. You look for your keys, you know.

686
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Speaker 8: Yeah. I don't want to. I know I have all

687
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 8: the little notes from Deuson that was all kind of

688
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Speaker 8: tongue in cheek. But I think the main thing is

689
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Speaker 8: is that when I look at what Bill Brian's doing schematically,

690
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 8: I really like, what do you installing? And it it

691
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 8: looks good like it looks sound and there's a lot

692
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 8: more moving parts, it's a lot more complex for defenses

693
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 8: to decipher and things like that. And so I believe

694
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Speaker 8: in the system, like I believe in the and the coaching,

695
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Speaker 8: and I believe in what they're doing from an offensive

696
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 8: system point of view. So the fact that it's not

697
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Speaker 8: really clicking very consistently right now, it to me that

698
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 8: makes it a talent issue, right. But maybe it's all

699
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 8: of it, you know, maybe they all needs to keep

700
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Speaker 8: coming together. But I think that there's just there's just

701
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Speaker 8: something you're just missing that that period of time where

702
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 8: they just go right through the defense like consistently, and

703
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Speaker 8: Mac just like lights up a practice, right, And I

704
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Speaker 8: think people are gonna say, well, once Mac everlet in

705
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 8: his rookie year, he did have practices where I don't

706
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Speaker 8: know if you want to call it lit it up,

707
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Speaker 8: but he's like right, and he had some really really

708
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Speaker 8: good practices. The ones that we always point to are

709
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Speaker 8: those giant joint practices, especially the first Giants joint practice.

710
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Speaker 8: Cam wasn't there. He got all the reps and he

711
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 8: went like twenty five of thirty against the Giants defense

712
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Speaker 8: and just he lit it up. I think that day.

713
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Speaker 8: So it's not that he's incapable of it. We just

714
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 8: haven't really seen it. And until we do, I don't

715
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Speaker 8: know if that that guy's ever coming back.

716
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 7: Three second session, get it out, get it do it,

717
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 7: Fret's get it out session.

718
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Speaker 1: Gotta do it all right? Eight five five PATS five

719
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Speaker 1: hundred is the ACE ticket hout line, web radio at

720
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Speaker 1: Patriots dot com is the email address. Have we heard

721
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Speaker 1: of other quarterbacks around the league lighting it up in practice,

722
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Speaker 1: like Ryan Tannehill?

723
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Speaker 7: Really, No, he's been he's been good. I guess with

724
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Speaker 7: uh Hopkins. I mean that they've they've got a good connection.

725
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Speaker 1: I mean, before Burrow got hurt, I saw a couple

726
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: of places to Chase that were, you know, Chase just

727
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Speaker 1: burn people. But I just like, I'm not hearing him.

728
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Speaker 5: I have paid attention.

729
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't.

730
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Speaker 7: I just it's what I get on Twitter. And of

731
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 7: course those are only highlighting the highlights. So you know,

732
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Speaker 7: Alan di Diggs is that you know had some mass throws,

733
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Speaker 7: but the only one I did read was just that

734
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Speaker 7: that it seemed like Tannahill and Nuke have some good chemistry.

735
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Speaker 8: But that's the thing, right, it's gotta be one of

736
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Speaker 8: the other like, I don't think much of Ryan Tannehill

737
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Speaker 8: as a quarterback, but now that he has DeAndre Hopkins

738
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Speaker 8: to throw too, all of a sudden, he looks a

739
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Speaker 8: little bit better. And when he had aj Brown to

740
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Speaker 8: throw too, he looked a little bit better than he

741
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Speaker 8: did in Miami. So you have to have one of

742
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Speaker 8: the other. You either have to the quarterback or you have

743
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Speaker 8: to have the playmakers around him. But if you just

744
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 8: kind of have neither, right, then you're in trouble.

745
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Speaker 7: But I mean, but real talk, hashtag real talk. I mean,

746
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Speaker 7: oh my gosh, do we how do we feel if

747
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Speaker 7: if Nuke was here? I mean, based on what we've

748
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Speaker 7: seen in practice, do we think that Nuke will be

749
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Speaker 7: lighting it up with Mac right now? Like, I have

750
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Speaker 7: my real doubts that that it would look all that well.

751
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Speaker 5: Obviously he wouldn't be practicing if he was here.

752
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Speaker 8: You did you see him?

753
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Speaker 3: Did you see him quote tweet that catch?

754
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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's got to be in his bonnet about that

755
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 7: want to practice? But I don't know. I mean, I,

756
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Speaker 7: like I said, I haven't given up hope that this

757
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 7: offense can get to a place with the personnel that

758
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Speaker 7: they have with Mac Jones, a quarterback that they'll be

759
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Speaker 7: effective against, you know, especially overmatch defenses that just aren't

760
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Speaker 7: ready for what they're about to throw at him. But

761
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Speaker 7: you know, until I get the it's just hard at

762
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Speaker 7: getting that confidence that they're gonna be able to play

763
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Speaker 7: against the best teams right now, and until they start

764
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Speaker 7: clicking like that and start lighting up a good defense,

765
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Speaker 7: which we all agree that the Patriots defense is. It's

766
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Speaker 7: it's it's hard to make that leap until you see it.

767
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Speaker 6: I think that confidence starts with Mac and I think

768
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Speaker 6: because he lacks that confidence or he looks like he

769
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Speaker 6: lacks that confidence, how do you how do you expect

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Speaker 6: everyone around you to be confident too.

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Speaker 7: It's it's it's weird. It's it's a weird thing. And

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Speaker 7: it's just with him because he does everything like you know,

773
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Speaker 7: he's in front of the lines and he you know,

774
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Speaker 7: he's just he's got good energy. He's off season, he

775
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 7: went wins off season award, he's you know, giving guys

776
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Speaker 7: high fives. They all seem to, you know, recognize him

777
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Speaker 7: as the quarterback. But it's just the performance on the

778
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 7: field is just kind of remains replacement level. I guess

779
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Speaker 7: as how I would put it just you know, an

780
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Speaker 7: average quarterback play missing stuff, you know, almost throws almost there,

781
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Speaker 7: but not quite. You know, maybe maybe it'll start to

782
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 7: click for him, maybe, you know, maybe this is some

783
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 7: residual effect from last year and he got in his

784
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 7: own head and he's maybe second guest and things at times.

785
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Speaker 7: And you know, as he gets more comfortable in the

786
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Speaker 7: offense and he sees what they're trying to show him,

787
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Speaker 7: that he'll be able to pull the trigger quickly and accurately.

788
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Speaker 7: But you know, so far, it's just been so So have.

789
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Speaker 6: We seen him still doing those mental reps on the

790
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Speaker 6: side least, he has he stopped doing those.

791
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Speaker 1: I think he's pretty much stopped doing that for the

792
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Speaker 1: most part. When he has a bad series, he'll kind

793
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Speaker 1: of stand in the back. When he just came off

794
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: a good one or a good play, he'll stand right

795
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Speaker 1: next to Bill O'Brien. It's funny. I've been watching that.

796
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Speaker 1: I've been watching that.

797
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Speaker 7: I mean, part of it, too, I think, is he

798
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 7: probably just wants some privacy to hear the calls when

799
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Speaker 7: Zappi or you know, MX earlier in there, so that

800
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 7: he can do those mental reps without But it isn't

801
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Speaker 7: the same as like when he would kind of be

802
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Speaker 7: off on an island and yeah, what he's doing.

803
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Speaker 1: He's not doing that this year. Yeah, so, but it

804
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: is funny the body language. When he just just had

805
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Speaker 1: a good play. He stands right next to Bill and

806
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: when he does it, he can sit in the back

807
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Speaker 1: and you know.

808
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Speaker 8: We did get it. Let's go today. From that he

809
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 8: hit Remondra Stevenson for that touchdown in the flat.

810
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Speaker 1: Oh, like we did it.

811
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Speaker 8: Let's go yeah, Like no, no, that like a like

812
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 8: a yes, that's what we want to do.

813
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Speaker 1: We should also keep our eyes on Bill O'Brien because

814
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: he's not one that doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeve.

815
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Speaker 1: So if it does get to the point where he's

816
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: starting to get frustrated, you're gonna see it.

817
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Speaker 7: I haven't seen it.

818
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Speaker 1: I haven't.

819
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 7: No, we haven't seen that yet. He seems almost like professorial,

820
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Speaker 7: like he just he sees he's got the glasses on.

821
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 7: He goes out, he shows things and he just kind

822
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Speaker 7: of stands in the back and and watches what they do.

823
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Speaker 7: But you haven't really seen him lose his uh loses

824
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Speaker 7: they have.

825
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: You haven't seen him like you know, like Josh McDaniels

826
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: would be the same way. He would, you know, yell

827
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: at people and you know, give them hard coaching.

828
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Speaker 7: I really am trying to ask myself though, and maybe

829
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Speaker 7: you guys have some insight in this, because I don't

830
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Speaker 7: want to like try to make a thing out of it.

831
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Speaker 7: But I just it seems to me almost like Bill

832
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 7: O'Brien is just in his own world doing his offense,

833
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 7: and I don't really remember Josh being quite as isolated

834
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Speaker 7: from like I haven't seen a lot of like Bill O'Brien,

835
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 7: Bill Belichick chatting it up on the you know, like

836
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 7: and I'm not trying to say that there's a rift

837
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 7: or anything like that. I just it's interesting. I almost

838
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 7: feel like Bill Belichick's been a little bit more hands off.

839
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Speaker 7: And I don't know if that's correct, because you guys

840
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 7: might have an observation, well that was kind of what

841
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 7: Josh did too. I don't remember clear.

842
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Bill is calling the plays, he's

843
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: off to like in an angle to the side, and

844
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: Bill is directly but Belichick is directly behind the play,

845
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: kind of looking at both the offense and the defense

846
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: seeing how that how everything is coming together. But you're right,

847
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: they don't. They're not next to each other a lot.

848
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 7: I think last year was striking too, because you had

849
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 7: so many situations where it was like Matt Patricia's got

850
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 7: a walkie talkie, Joe Judges got Bill Bell, everybody was

851
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 7: eyes on the offense, and it just felt all attention

852
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 7: was was on that. And this year it's just it's

853
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 7: just Bill make it work.

854
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: I think that's you know, I think partly, you know,

855
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 5: some of that stuff from last year. Last year, like

856
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 5: just the utter refusal to just say what they were doing,

857
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 5: and they had to hide it from the media. They

858
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 5: had to try to be koy, So we're gonna give

859
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 5: everybody a walkie talkie, and then ultimately it worked out

860
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 5: that no one knew who was in charge. You had

861
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 5: a guy calling plays who was also in charge of

862
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 5: the offensive line, and it just you look back, it

863
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 5: was grease bored. You look back back in it was

864
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 5: a really bad plan, a really bad plan. Now you

865
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 5: don't have to worry about there's no subterfuge, right, I mean,

866
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 5: everybody knows Bill Belichi, Bill O'Brien is the offensive coordinator.

867
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Speaker 5: The offensive coordinator calls the place like you don't have

868
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 5: to should we give him a Waukie talkie, should we give.

869
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Speaker 1: Will lag eff? You know?

870
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

871
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Speaker 8: I also I've actually thought that Bill O'Brien's been a

872
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 8: little bit more hands off him, just on his own, like,

873
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 8: regardless of interactions with Belichick, than what I was expecting.

874
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 8: I don't see when they're in team drills, he calls

875
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 8: the plays off to the side, and I don't see

876
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 8: a ton of coaching happening when guys are coming off

877
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 8: the field or anything like that. And I'm not saying

878
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 8: he's not coaching. I'm just saying I expected him to

879
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 8: be almost more in your face I guess, you know,

880
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 8: just based off his reputation of being somebody that has

881
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 8: a big personality and can get a little bit hot

882
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 8: under the collar. But he's been He's been pretty just

883
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 8: kind of stand offish at times. And I'm sure all

884
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 8: those corrections come when they watch the practice film and

885
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 8: they're in private, and maybe that's part of it, is

886
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 8: that they know he's kind of learned later on in

887
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 8: his career to not blow up in front of the

888
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 8: media and stuff like that.

889
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 7: But especially now, I think, because you can imagine what

890
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 7: kind of context that would add to everything we're saying,

891
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 7: if you just constantly lose in his mind it you know,

892
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 7: the offense and you know, reinforcing what we think we're seeing,

893
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 7: or we know.

894
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: The day that he loses it, you know it's going

895
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: to be headlines everywhere, you know, and he knows that. Yeah,

896
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: so yeah, he's probably making an effort to kind of

897
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 1: just play it even Keel.

898
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 6: Do we think if it continues looking like this leading

899
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 6: into the first preseason game here, that will actually see

900
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 6: a good amount of mac or Zappy like in that

901
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 6: game in the.

902
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: First preseason game? Would they should? Right because they need

903
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: the reps. But I don't know. Yeah, It's it's tough

904
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: because it's you know, when they had they had four

905
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: preseason games for so long, it was so predictable, like

906
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: who was going to play win, you know for the

907
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: most part. But now it's I think they're still figuring

908
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: that out, like how do we deal with these games

909
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: and you know, who should get what when? And uh,

910
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: you know this is only what the third year of

911
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: three preseason games or the second the second year? Yeah,

912
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: so like they're trying to figure that out.

913
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think it's important too. Last year with

914
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 7: some of the usage in the preseason games that I

915
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 7: forget specifics, but I remember Bill talking about they got

916
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 7: a lot of reps in joint practices, right, and that

917
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 7: makes up for it, right.

918
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's why you see the increase in

919
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: joint practices now, you know, because.

920
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 8: It's a controlled climate. Yeah, so you don't have to

921
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 8: worry about the unknown because you just script the practices

922
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 8: with the other coaching staff together and it's you know

923
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 8: exactly what's going to happen, and it's you kind of

924
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 8: this is what we want to work on, this is

925
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 8: what they want to work on, whereas in a game,

926
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 8: it's just roll the ball out and see what happens.

927
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 8: So I think we'll see Mac in a little bit

928
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 8: throughout the preseason. I think I'm sure there'll be one

929
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 8: game will be like that true dress rehearsal game. But

930
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 8: I think he's going to get at least a driver,

931
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 8: at least a couple in all three.

932
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 5: I think so too, you know, Yeah, I don't think

933
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 5: he'll play much. I think he'll play like two or

934
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 5: three series like you did last year.

935
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

936
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 5: I think what I'm sort of interested in is like,

937
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 5: does ZAPPI have to play? Does that be play a

938
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 5: ton or do they sort of give him like, Okay,

939
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 5: you're the backup, so we'll give you some time and

940
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 5: then let mcswell. We played like the bulk of the

941
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 5: second happen.

942
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: You said a couple series. I think they might do

943
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: half for Mac and half for Zappy.

944
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 5: I'd be stunned if that happened three games, not.

945
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: Maybe all three games, maybe the third game. Mac just

946
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: does a couple series, But I would say maybe these

947
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: first two games they share, they split the game, and

948
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: maybe even Mac if that happens.

949
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 5: If that happens, the competition. It's absolutely a competition. If

950
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 5: that happens. And he's not sold on who the starter is.

951
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 5: I'm just doing like you don't play your starter or

952
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 5: a half a game in the first two games of

953
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 5: the preseason.

954
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 8: I don't need to see what Zappi do that. But

955
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 8: I think for just for my advantage point in my eyes,

956
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 8: like it would help to see Zappy with the ones

957
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 8: like for like one series in a practice, just because

958
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 8: maybe I am maybe I'm being too hard on Mac,

959
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 8: like maybe maybe it's not work right right. So and

960
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 8: I'm not saying that Zappi is the answer either. I'm

961
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 8: just saying it's just somebody different. And my concern with

962
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 8: Mac is that his internal clock and his just willingness

963
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 8: to be aggressive and kind of like that playmaking gene,

964
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 8: whether it exists on a Josh Allen level or not.

965
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 8: I feel like last year might have broken him, and

966
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 8: now they're kind of putting a good point that the

967
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 8: pieces back together again and maybe over time and over

968
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 8: the next couple of weeks and the joints and all this,

969
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 8: and that it'll come back together again for him. But

970
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 8: I see Zappi right now throwing with a little bit

971
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 8: better anticipation than timing, and I wonder if that's Zappi

972
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 8: is just quicker through the read, or if is maybe

973
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 8: Mac needs to work it back to.

974
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: I don't see much difference, honestly, I do. I don't

975
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: notice that.

976
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 5: I don't know if Zapi is better overall, but I

977
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 5: definitely think he's better at that. And I didn't think that, Mike.

978
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 5: You and I talked about this a lot last year,

979
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 5: the differences between Mac like, I don't think there was

980
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 5: a whole lot of difference between his performance from year

981
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 5: one to year two, but I thought his pocket presence

982
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 5: was exactly the way I haven't described last year. I

983
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 5: didn't think that the rookie year. I thought, even like

984
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 5: the first game of the year, Miami went after him

985
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 5: all game long and cause him to make some kind

986
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 5: of scary plays. But he stayed with it. He stayed

987
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 5: like I thought he stayed poised. Last year, I don't

988
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 5: think he did. And I think Zappy does do a

989
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 5: better job of getting to me quick.

990
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: First year, he was coming off the field bloody. Remember

991
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: every game.

992
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 5: We're not talking about toughness, we're talking about.

993
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: But he was staying in there and taking the hit

994
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: and throwing the ball right.

995
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 5: And he took hits and stayed in the last year

996
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 5: with the ball, but not on time, is the point. Like,

997
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 5: I think he got the internal clock that would go

998
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 5: off and he would like take the sack or not

999
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 5: throw it where he was when he was supposed to.

1000
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 5: Whereas I felt like he did a better job of

1001
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 5: having poise in the pocket as a rookie. Now that

1002
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 5: might be like a minor thing. Back to the playing

1003
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 5: time the preseason, I think will will all be going

1004
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 5: wild if if they split time, if they legitimately like

1005
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 5: play one half each, I think we'll be going wild.

1006
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 7: As a media group, What do you think me and

1007
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 7: you'll be doing if McSorley plays the whole second half

1008
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 7: of that last preseason game, Bruce Springsteen's playing about twenty

1009
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 7: feet for us, we gotta watch.

1010
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 5: Don't you worry about it this first of all? Listen,

1011
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 5: don't you fret they very wisely space that out. Oh

1012
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 5: it's Thursday night, Bruce, Friday night, Paul and Mike, Saturday night, Bruce.

1013
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 7: Oh we're We're not a Bruce Springsteen concert.

1014
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1015
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 5: I think we're in between. I might have the days right,

1016
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 5: I was more I was I think we're in between.

1017
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 5: But yeah, with no listen mcly I think it's really

1018
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 5: interesting and I was actually talking about this with the

1019
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 5: know what else today? Would Would you guys agree that

1020
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 5: mcsoley has gotten the same amount of snaps roughly as

1021
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 5: the other two? Yeah, I mean I've been at a

1022
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 5: lot of camps. I have not seen the third quarterback

1023
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 5: get as many snaps as everybody else very often.

1024
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely gets his fair share.

1025
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 5: Now I'm not I'm not talking about the end of practice,

1026
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 5: like after conditioning. I'm talking about the regular part of practice.

1027
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 5: It's like seven on sevens. It's MAC for four plays,

1028
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 5: Zappi for four plays, micsolely for four plays. Now MCS

1029
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 5: playing with guys you know that probably aren't going to

1030
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 5: be on the on the roster. But I'm telling you

1031
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 5: I have not seen a third quarterback get as many

1032
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 5: snaps he does.

1033
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 8: We're really again, only six practices in. That's another thing

1034
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 8: that is on my radar, like if this continues, continue,

1035
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 8: if it continues, and if you watched a Tom Brady

1036
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 8: training camp practice, because you know that's that's the thing

1037
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 8: that we really have to go off of here that

1038
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 8: all of us have seen. Brady would dominate the snaps

1039
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 8: for practices, and their stories go that he would tell

1040
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 8: the backup to get off the field. Sometimes he would

1041
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 8: say didn't like what was going on. He'd take an

1042
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 8: extra round, right.

1043
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 5: And he has to yell at the offensive lineman, so

1044
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 5: fat pigs.

1045
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 8: If that's what an entrenched starter does. And we would

1046
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 8: come out of practice and we would say, you know,

1047
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 8: Brady had twenty five attempts, Hoyer had ten, Yeah, and

1048
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 8: we're not saying that.

1049
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 5: And the third guy would have three, right, which is

1050
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 5: telling me when they even had three guys in camp,

1051
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 5: sometimes they didn't.

1052
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 8: Which is telling me that they're at least giving these

1053
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 8: other guys opportunities. I'm not saying that it's opportunities with

1054
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 8: the other frontline players, but it's at least opportunities that

1055
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 8: are equal in terms of reps to the quote unquote starter.

1056
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 5: So that first game I would expect to see more

1057
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 5: of Mac than you would in the other two because

1058
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 5: it's not following joint practices. But a whole half is

1059
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 5: a lot for a starting quarterback, unless it's the number

1060
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 5: of snaps is way down, Like if they don't play

1061
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 5: well and they're going three and out and all of

1062
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 5: a sudden, you know it's it's three series of three

1063
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 5: and outs and here you are in the middle of

1064
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 5: the second quarter. We got to get his reps in,

1065
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 5: so that that's different. But overall, I'd be surprised if

1066
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 5: he played that much in multiple games. Yeah, I'm not

1067
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 5: even expecting Zappy to play that much.

1068
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

1069
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm like, if they if they still look

1070
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 6: like this this time next week, it's like, I almost

1071
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 6: think Max's gonna.

1072
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 3: Play a half.

1073
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 5: I think it can change too. You have one drive,

1074
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 5: Like let's say they come out and they have one

1075
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 5: drive and they put together a ten play seventy five

1076
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 5: yard touchdown drive.

1077
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, like all right, take them out.

1078
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one series they played, and it's not necessarily

1079
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 5: because it was they played so well. It's because he

1080
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 5: needs the reps. And that's the like, he's got to

1081
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 5: get a certain amount of plays that Bill's going to

1082
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 5: have in his mind, twelve to fifteen snaps some somewhere

1083
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 5: along that line. Yeah, that's what he's gonna get. That

1084
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 5: might be you know, two quarters, that might be one drive.

1085
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 7: But it's also like, you know, it's of course quarterback

1086
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 7: gets all the attention, but like who's gonna get all

1087
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 7: the carries in the preseason. Who's gonna be playing fourth

1088
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 7: quarter at the tackle spots?

1089
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Speaker 5: Well, like, go back to this, So we're gonna have

1090
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Speaker 5: Mac Jones play a whole half. Michael Wenner's not going

1091
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 5: to play in any preseason games, right, Cole Strange is

1092
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 5: probably all strange. It is probably right on the on

1093
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 5: the cusp of not being available, and who knows what

1094
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 5: Trent Brown's gonna do. So now you're going to have

1095
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 5: your starting quarterback out there, potentially with three starters not

1096
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 5: playing in front of him.

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Speaker 1: That could change things.

1098
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Speaker 7: What do you think Can we talk about Trent Brown

1099
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 7: for a sec because came here, got praised for a

1100
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 7: purported early lost weight, was participating, then all of a

1101
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 7: sudden yesterday he's back down to the lower field for

1102
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 7: the last two days of conditioning.

1103
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: What what is that?

1104
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 7: Like, are you all of a sudden out of shape

1105
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 7: again or why? Like I thought he was in and

1106
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 7: he was playing and we're good, and now it seems

1107
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 7: like there's either been a backstep or I mean, I

1108
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 7: did speculate with Paul. I mean, this was you know,

1109
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 7: I think I re said it. The running backs, the tackles,

1110
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 7: like those are spots that they don't have a lot

1111
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 7: of depth. But I just I really wonder what's going

1112
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 7: on with Trent. I got a little of a backslide with.

1113
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: I do too.

1114
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 5: I mean, I think I think it's more than load management.

1115
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 8: But I think it's sad I don't manage.

1116
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 5: I don't know, I do. I think it's I think

1117
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 5: he's upset, and I think Judon's upset too. I just

1118
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 5: uh curious that whole situation.

1119
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the A sticket upline eight

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Speaker 1: five five pats five hundred. Josh is in Dallas, what's up, Josh.

1121
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 11: Hey, everyone, glad to have some football back to talk about.

1122
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 11: I just wanted to say I really appreciate you guys'

1123
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 11: coverage throughout training camp the last few years. You've you've

1124
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 11: always been really honest and unbiased about what you're seeing,

1125
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 11: even when it hasn't looked good. So I appreciate that,

1126
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 11: and I just want to give Paul specifically some credit.

1127
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 11: I think there have been a few players over the

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Speaker 11: last few years on the Patriots and just in the

1129
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 11: league that you haven't been afraid to just evaluate the

1130
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 11: talent and say you don't think they can in your words,

1131
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 11: you don't think they can play. I think there is

1132
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 11: a specific first round wide receiver that.

1133
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 5: You might have been say. It sounds like you're talking

1134
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 5: about nikil Harry. That's one of my that's one of

1135
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 5: my better early impressions Ki Kuti. Yeah, not not not

1136
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 5: kil Harry as Michael Jill.

1137
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, for sure. But I just wanted to ask

1138
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 11: over your of the years for all of you guys,

1139
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 11: is there anybody that in training camp you might you

1140
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 11: might have thought the same thing that they couldn't play,

1141
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 11: and then when the season rolled around, they actually made

1142
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 11: an impact or vice versa. They popped in camp and

1143
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 11: then we're nowhere.

1144
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: To be seen.

1145
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, pop pop in camp, nowhere to be seen.

1146
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 5: There's a lot of Chad Jackson's won absolutely Fred that's

1147
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 5: a good one. I would say taekwon Thornton last year

1148
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 5: is a good one. I thought he had a really

1149
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 5: good camp and then we didn't see a whole lot

1150
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 5: of him that he did get hurt in between there.

1151
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 5: Zach Studtfeld was making plays all over the place in

1152
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 5: training camp. First game of the year, Brady threw him

1153
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 5: a pass when off his hands got picked.

1154
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: Off and we never saw him again.

1155
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 5: Damn Childress was he the preseason superstam Childress was always

1156
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 5: he was in nothing.

1157
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 12: What about Gentleman.

1158
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 11: I don't think anybody could have projected maybe his career

1159
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 11: and I know in some of the.

1160
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 5: Settlement's a good one for the other way around. He

1161
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 5: was sloppy as hell in his first camp. He couldn't

1162
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 5: hold out of the ball, he couldn't stay on his feet,

1163
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 5: and you kind of like that's I mean, it's it's

1164
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 5: a nice little experiment.

1165
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: They got going and he had some injury issues early

1166
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: in his career.

1167
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 5: That's a good that's a good one for the other

1168
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 5: side that not a lot of us saw the impact.

1169
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 5: Now he didn't have the impact as a rookie, no,

1170
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 5: but obviously the impact.

1171
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: That ended up having Wes Welkler was in front of

1172
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: him correctly. Yeah, well.

1173
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 7: That's what I said.

1174
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks Josh, Thanks Josh, appreciate the call.

1175
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 5: You guys have any other guy, because you guys watched

1176
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 5: camp forever to you have any other guy that stood

1177
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 5: out to you that you thought was gonna be something

1178
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 5: and then wait, way too many.

1179
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 8: Guys that had great camps that disappeared.

1180
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 7: I mean, there's gotta be at least what was your

1181
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 7: Washington receiver.

1182
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: Harris?

1183
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, great, great mini camp, pretty good first week of training.

1184
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 8: Camp disappeared after he got hurt nicked up.

1185
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: Who was the receiver Paul that came in? He was

1186
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: like six to two. I mean, this guy was your produce,

1187
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: Like he looked like a superstar receiver. And I don't

1188
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: even know if he made out of camp. It was

1189
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: like maybe ten years ago, like we were all like, wow,

1190
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: this guy is like he looks he looks the part.

1191
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 7: I forget his Oh man, it wasn't a Rutgers guy.

1192
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 6: Was it.

1193
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he had a decent career before he he

1194
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: we brought him. No, it wasn't Kenny Britt.

1195
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 7: There was another guy from Rutgers that was like a

1196
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 7: size no.

1197
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: But this guy was He had a career before he

1198
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: got here, like he had some production before he got here.

1199
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Speaker 5: But that's why I was thinking, think, dude, maybe it

1200
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 5: might have been him.

1201
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: Anyway. Yeah, I remember when Robert Gallery came here and said, Oh,

1202
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be perfect, you know, change the

1203
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: scenery for this guy. He's going to be the perfect

1204
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: and he was just awful.

1205
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 7: Well, it was Chad Johnson. He was lost from the

1206
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 7: get go. You never had intrigued in camp at all.

1207
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 7: There was never a moment camp where you're like, oh,

1208
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 7: this is gonna because Chad john he just never looked good.

1209
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: Never looked good. Yeah nope, I mean never looked good

1210
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: to the point of like balls were hitting him in

1211
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: the helmet, you know, because he.

1212
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 7: Wasn't embarrassing because he was so cocky and then to

1213
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 7: come here and be so ennaped and I'm able to

1214
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 7: find a role.

1215
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: It was just he was just like a fish out

1216
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: of water. It was the he had changed his personality

1217
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: it was low key, it was it just it just

1218
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: did not work. Yeah, it's too bad.

1219
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 7: You could have maybe put him over the ash.

1220
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: But you know, there's been there's been a handful of

1221
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: guys that we thought, oh he could make it.

1222
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 7: And we'll see what happens with pot Douglas, you know.

1223
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 7: I mean, I think he's one that he's popping right

1224
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 7: now as everyone's written. You know, we'll see if it translates.

1225
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's go back to the phones. Williams

1226
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: and Philim. What's up? William?

1227
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 12: Hey, Hey, how.

1228
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: Y'all doing all right?

1229
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 12: It's just two takes out. I just want to get

1230
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 12: y'all some flowers first in this month. I just want

1231
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 12: to say y'all and do an excellent job, you know,

1232
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 12: great coverage and missing to y'all since y'all have been

1233
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 12: telling us about as far as you know, how the

1234
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 12: pictures look on the field and whatnot. And also it's

1235
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 12: into to marror to you know, excellent job with the

1236
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 12: coverage too, you know, I didn't want to be out.

1237
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 12: So just great jobs, stamps, just all of y'all doing

1238
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 12: a great job.

1239
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 7: Thank you.

1240
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 12: Well, see so one is I said, how do I

1241
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 12: say this all right, I got usually I call it

1242
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 12: pigs about the wide receivers, and I don't need to

1243
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 12: touch that subject because y'all see it for yourself. So

1244
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 12: I'll just say this when I'll say something about the

1245
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 12: tackle position, and I want to say something about whatever,

1246
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 12: but what's his name? Evan said about as far as

1247
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 12: Bailey Zaffies concerned, So I'll just start the offensive tackle just.

1248
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 6: This.

1249
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 12: This is gonna be really bad if they don't straighten

1250
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 12: this out when you had a chance to to, you know,

1251
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 12: take care of that and in the draft and whatnot.

1252
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 12: I don't know why you didn't get Paris Johnson. I'm

1253
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 12: not hating on Christian guns Dillis. Look, I'm a fan,

1254
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 12: all right, but we you got to protect Matt, you know,

1255
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 12: and you had a chance to do that, and you

1256
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 12: ain't get no tackle like now, but you've got a

1257
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 12: bunch of guards center and special team is. I was like,

1258
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 12: oh my god, what are you doing through? But that's

1259
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 12: my take on that one. And Evan, I just want

1260
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 12: to say this to you, Okay, I hear what you're saying,

1261
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 12: and I totally agree with you, but you do understand

1262
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 12: what happened in the last time these fatures. Fans saw

1263
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 12: Baillie zamby and he made a couple of plates. They

1264
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 12: started rooting next to you know, you already know how

1265
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 12: that went. So you want to repeat the same situation again.

1266
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 8: It's a fair point. And I all I've said to

1267
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 8: just reiterate is all I'm ready to do is see

1268
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 8: like one series in a practice of Bailly Zapi with

1269
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 8: the ones. I'm not saying that you should start over

1270
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 8: Mac Jones or anything like that. This is more it's

1271
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 8: more about Mac than is about Zabi, right, It's just

1272
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 8: more about what I haven't seen from Mac and me

1273
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 8: saying that I think Zapi would be so much better.

1274
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 8: I just I don't know. Once that you see, this

1275
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 8: is a lot of corequarterbacks in the league that are

1276
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 8: promising young guys. Baker Mayfield, like, once that clock gets broken,

1277
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 8: and once you you start to get just squeamish in

1278
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 8: the pocket and worried about pressure and worried about throwing

1279
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 8: interceptions and like that kind of stuff, it's really difficult

1280
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 8: to recalibrate your internal clock. And I think with Mac

1281
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 8: that's the struggle that's that's going on with him, is

1282
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 8: that he's trying to basically undo what happened to him

1283
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 8: last year could be could be.

1284
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: I would definitely the three second sessions.

1285
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 8: I would literally thanks for the call.

1286
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 3: I would literally have so much PTSD.

1287
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 6: If I came back from an injury, went back into

1288
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 6: a game, someone pulled me out of the game and

1289
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 6: heard fans chanting the way I mean in your home

1290
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 6: stadium at that.

1291
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 7: I would say too, though, I just I think to

1292
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 7: William's point, it became a thing of like there's people

1293
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 7: who are Zappi fans and like I don't really care,

1294
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 7: Like I just want to see good quarterback And it's

1295
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 7: not about like wanting Zappi or thinking that like everything

1296
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 7: Evan said is true, and I mean we said it

1297
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 7: right at to start a practice, you want someone to

1298
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 7: do well, right, that's just at what point do you

1299
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 7: want to see, you know, something different, just to see

1300
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 7: how it looks. And you know, I think it's it's reasonable, certainly,

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Speaker 7: you know, I think once we get into the middle

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Speaker 7: of the field and you really get a sense of

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00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 7: just like the general regular you know, plus fifty offense

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00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 7: that that they're going to run because it's been so

1305
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 7: specific right now where you're either in the red zone

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00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 7: or you're focusing on screens or you're kind of focusing

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00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 7: on the run game a little bit more so it's

1308
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 7: hard to get that true read. But you know, I

1309
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 7: think that's what I'm kind of waiting for. Maybe tomorrow

1310
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 7: the pads come on, they put the ball out to

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Speaker 7: twenty and say, you know you're going the other way

1312
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 7: and you know those are That's what I'd like to see.

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00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 7: Is Max still squeamish? Is he able to maybe hit

1314
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 7: on some of those throws he tried today to, you know,

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00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 7: to Bourne and the fifty to fifty ball that the parker.

1316
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 7: Can there be more of that? Can they find somebody open?

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00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 7: So I that's that's where I'm at. I want to

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00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 7: see that.

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Speaker 1: How many practices do we have before the first preseasone?

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Speaker 1: Like seven more press?

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00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 7: Well, they'll be I guess what tomorrow, Wednesday, Thursday, and

1322
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 7: then in stadium which we don't know what what degree

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00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 7: of count and then they'll probably be off Saturday and

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00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 7: then it's you know, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, maybe would be

1325
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 7: three two to three more seven more. So they got

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00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 7: they got a few. I mean last year, last year

1327
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 7: they had the two days off, they had Saturday and

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00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 7: Sunday off last year, so maybe maybe just Monday Tuesday,

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00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 7: we'll see.

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00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: Uh, let's go to Christian in LA. What's up Christian?

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Speaker 13: Happy Tuesday? And I wish I could be on the

1332
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 13: East coast that training camp with you guys, But you

1333
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 13: guys are doing an amazing job of covering really quick.

1334
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 13: I'm going to say something in this controversial and you

1335
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 13: guys are going to probably to it. But I've been

1336
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 13: thinking about it all summer and and here goes. I

1337
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 13: think the writing is on the wall with with Max.

1338
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 13: Personality wise, he's a winer and complainer. We saw that

1339
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 13: last year. Doesn't really have that that it's fact as

1340
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 13: far as being a leader and ability wise, he's got

1341
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 13: the happy feed already and he's of, you know a

1342
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 13: little bit of it. And if I just heard that's

1343
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 13: really nearly impossible to undo with a young with the

1344
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 13: young players, how about we do that. We package Amy disgruntled,

1345
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 13: Kendrick Bourne and Mac Jones. We get into them off

1346
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 13: to the toy nine.

1347
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 12: Ers portray lance, share me apart if you will, I'll

1348
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 12: take it up the air.

1349
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 13: Let's continue enjoying training, can guide and football.

1350
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 5: It's not New York, not I don't think going.

1351
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 8: To I love and honestly, but that's that's like a

1352
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 8: Madden trade to me, Like, it's just it just is

1353
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 8: not a realistic.

1354
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 7: There's been some rough practice footage of Trey Lance this year.

1355
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, well, if the forty nine ers would do that,

1356
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: that means they're all in on brock Party. And if

1357
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: they're all in in brock Purty, why would they want

1358
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: back John?

1359
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just it's not a real trade.

1360
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not.

1361
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 8: It's no disrespected now.

1362
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like entertain it, you know, and I

1363
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: don't think it makes sense for the forty nine ers.

1364
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 7: I think the bigger car is how many teams would

1365
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 7: want Mac Jones.

1366
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: As their quarterback.

1367
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 7: You know, Who's like, who's willing to make that?

1368
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: Well, they wouldn't do it unless they believe in Rock Purdy.

1369
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't think you know, so, I.

1370
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 8: Well, I mean.

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01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 5: I agree with you overall, but like they don't believe

1372
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 5: in Trey Lance, right if they're gonna if they're looking

1373
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 5: to trade them, so what's the difference. You're gonna have

1374
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 5: a backup quarterback that you don't believe in.

1375
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why I think. I don't think you'd have

1376
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 7: to trade Mac Jones and Kendrick Burton to get Trey Lance.

1377
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 7: Probably you could probably get.

1378
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: I missed that part.

1379
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 5: No, you're just talking about a straight up Mac Jones,

1380
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 5: which it was born and Mac d No.

1381
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 3: I think you could.

1382
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 5: You don't have to do that.

1383
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 7: You could probably trade.

1384
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, I don't think the Patriots would do

1385
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 5: it because Trey Lance has done nothing in the NFL.

1386
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 5: He hasn't played, he's probably done anything. Like Mac Jones

1387
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 5: at least has two years of experience. He's at a

1388
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 5: far higher level in terms of experience in the league.

1389
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 5: I am like Evan, I am intrigued by Trey Lance's

1390
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 5: skill set, but the guy hasn't been able to, you know,

1391
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 5: play two games in a row.

1392
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 8: If you're telling me that you're gonna get Trey Lance

1393
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 8: to push Mac Jones or to like come here and

1394
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 8: be yeah instead of Trace mcsorily you had Trey Lance

1395
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 8: and yeah, it'd be all four. But like Paul said,

1396
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 8: the experience and stuff like that, you can't just give

1397
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,479
Speaker 8: up on that for for Trey Lance at this point.

1398
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 8: As much as I liked them coming out, not enough games.

1399
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: L from Wisconsin. Everything we have been led to believe.

1400
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: Says that Max should be better third year in and

1401
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: his QB coach last year did a good enough job

1402
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: to get a promotion. Why aren't we seeing it?

1403
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 7: That's that's what we're trying to figure out.

1404
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: That's kind of circas.

1405
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 3: I think.

1406
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 6: I think it's like you can't like you can see,

1407
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 6: someone can have all the potential in the in the world,

1408
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 6: but like only they are the ones that are able

1409
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 6: to like control how productive they are. Like you can

1410
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 6: coach somebody up all you want. They can have the potential,

1411
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 6: but like it's up to them whether they go from

1412
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 6: potential to production.

1413
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 7: It's like, I mean, I mean, I I think I've

1414
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 7: broken back down a couple times like this. It's just

1415
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 7: it's a great example of like, no matter how hard

1416
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 7: you work, you can't work your way to special. And

1417
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 7: like you know, you're either special you're not special.

1418
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 8: And that's the biggest thing. There's nothing special about this

1419
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 8: offense besides maybe Bill O'Brien. I think Bill O'Brien is

1420
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 8: a really good offensive coordinator. I think it's wait until

1421
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 8: we see it in him game plan for an opponent

1422
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 8: in a game. I can't say he's special yet, but

1423
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 8: I think he's really good offensive coordinator, but they're they're line,

1424
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 8: their receivers and their quarterback. None of them are special.

1425
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 8: And if you don't have something that's special, then it's

1426
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 8: gonna be tough. And I think that that's maybe, but

1427
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 8: I think that's the biggest thing with Mac. It's not

1428
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 8: that he's been terrible, and I feel I know, I

1429
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 8: feel like I'm ragging on him, so I'm trying to

1430
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 8: like say some nice things. It's not that he's been terrible,

1431
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 8: but he's just been kind of there, Like he's just

1432
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 8: been kind of fine. And if everybody is just kind

1433
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 8: of fine, then you're just gonna have a whole lot

1434
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 8: of fine. And that's just not really gonna.

1435
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 3: Be I mean, Evan's right.

1436
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 6: It's like I go in the locker room like before

1437
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 6: a game, and I'm talking to the defense, like, oh, like,

1438
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 6: what's challenging about playing Josh Allen. They can run through

1439
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 6: all the things like oh, his arms, his legs, his weapons,

1440
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 6: et cetera. If I went in there and asked them

1441
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 6: the same questions about Mac Jones, I mean, obviously they

1442
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 6: would say something nice because that's their teammate. But like

1443
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 6: if I went into the opposing team's locker room. If

1444
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 6: I went into Josh Allen's defense and was like, Hey,

1445
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 6: you're playing Mac Jones this week. What's challenging about while

1446
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 6: playing that offense?

1447
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe what's the answer.

1448
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 7: Maybe you got a source in the Pittsburgh locker room

1449
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 7: you can ask them before.

1450
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 3: But what will be there?

1451
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: Seriously? Like what got a good head on the show? Smart?

1452
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 7: You know how to get him in the right play,

1453
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 7: gets the ball out quick?

1454
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: I bet?

1455
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 7: I mean even these things that we're saying haven't don't

1456
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 7: really manifest They'll.

1457
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: Come up with stuff, but is it really true? You know,

1458
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: like do they really believe that? And it gets back

1459
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: to are the Patriots too easy to defend?

1460
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 6: You know?

1461
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but it's that's That's what

1462
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: it hasn't been.

1463
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 8: How many more years are we going to do?

1464
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 6: Like?

1465
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 8: That drives me?

1466
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: That's what's going on. That's I think there's nothing that

1467
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: puts fear, nothing in another team. Nothing I can you

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Speaker 7: I need tires, Yeah, yeah, I got my inspection. The

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Speaker 7: guy was like, next time you're gonna need some tires. Yeah,

1475
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Speaker 3: It's so weird not hearing Paul's foods here.

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Speaker 1: We didn't We didn't order anything, did we know.

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Speaker 5: So it's just so weird not hearing that you said

1483
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Speaker 5: you aren't eating.

1484
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Speaker 6: Patriots fans, you'll want to check out the replay on

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Speaker 19: There's no season better than football season, and there's no

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Speaker 2: And now great moments in.

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Speaker 1: History. Interesting. I want to check out this caller on

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Speaker 1: the aceticket hotline. Roger. Oh, I thought you were going

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Speaker 1: with Sweet Rogers and Foxboro. What's up, Roger?

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Speaker 12: Are you guys done?

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Speaker 1: It's Andy Hart.

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Speaker 3: We haven't heard from you since the preseason.

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Speaker 7: We're just about to talk about fullback stances.

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Speaker 1: We didn't, yeah, three point stances versus you know, did

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Speaker 1: you take a.

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Speaker 5: Wide stance with Bill yesterday? Talk? You know that's my

1655
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Speaker 5: take a little wide stance with Bill though, Yeah, I imagine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Unfortunately, that's the best question you asked.

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Speaker 2: That's another great moment.

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Speaker 1: All right back here and Patriots Unfiltered. It's Deuce, Tamara, Evan,

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Speaker 1: Paul Me, Matt Nabooth, Deuce and Tomorrow went up to

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Speaker 1: get a little food because we're kind of hungry. But

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Speaker 1: let's go to some of these emails that have been

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Speaker 1: coming in. Oh live re first. Okay, Hey Patriots fans,

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Speaker 1: It's Toyota's official website for deals from the official vehicle

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Speaker 1: of the New England Patriots, Toyota. Let's go places and

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Speaker 1: from what I understand, not just Toyota, but if you're

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Speaker 1: training in your car these days, you get a lot

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Speaker 1: of money. Problem is then you got to turn around

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Speaker 1: and buy a car. And there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: money too, yeah, car car markets, cars and houses. You

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Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta buy something. Anyway, Go to buy

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Speaker 1: a Toyota dot com if you need a car.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Kyle writes in from Pembroke. From what I'm hearing, Connor

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Speaker 1: McDermott has been a decent and solid at right tackle.

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Speaker 1: If he can stay healthy and be serviceable, do you

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Speaker 1: think he calms the worry at the tackle position or

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Speaker 1: is the left side still a concern.

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Speaker 8: I still think the right side is a concern.

1682
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Speaker 5: And I would say that Evan's saying that he's probably

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Speaker 5: at the at the high end of the list of

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Speaker 5: Connor McDermott fans based on practice. I think you've a

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Speaker 5: couple of.

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Speaker 8: Times Mmott is done. Still can't shake the fact that

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Speaker 8: he's Connor McDermott. But we got to see it in games.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 8: We go into Week one and the Eagles got a

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Speaker 8: Son reddick on the one side and I blanking on

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Speaker 8: their other editor but they got two good ad drushers

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Speaker 8: like they're to be coming off both sides every week,

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Speaker 8: it seems like nowadays.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see yeap uh Tyler from Providence writes in

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Speaker 1: I have a bold twenty twenty three and beyond prediction,

1696
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Speaker 1: under the guidance of Billy Oh, the Patriots will make

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Speaker 1: an AFC Championship appearance, beating the Chiefs in the divisional

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Speaker 1: round with an efficient offense, but losing to the eventual

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion Cincinnati Bungals. Even bolder prediction, Bill O'Brien

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Speaker 1: uses his championship appearance to get a job as the

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Speaker 1: head coach of the Lions next year in trading Jared

1702
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Speaker 1: Goffin picks for Matt Jones. The boldest prediction, the Patriots

1703
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Speaker 1: win it all in twenty twenty four with Jared goff

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Speaker 1: Belichick then becomes the first coach to win a Super

1705
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Speaker 1: Bowl with a quarterback he probably he'd previously beaten in

1706
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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 8: Poor Dan Campbell just kind of caught a stray out

1708
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Speaker 8: of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is kind of a bold prediction, which one

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Speaker 1: and unlikely all of them?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I mean to categorize the twenty four Super Bowl as

1713
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Speaker 5: the bold like all of those things are.

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Speaker 8: I think the baldest one white Bill O'Brien becoming the

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Speaker 8: head coach of the White Bolts.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, although I'm not sold on the I'm not sold

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Speaker 5: on Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 8: Right, But if you're gonna go, Ben Johnson's probably one

1719
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Speaker 8: of the best young offensive coordinators in the league, So like,

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Speaker 8: why wouldn't you just make him the.

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Speaker 5: Head They went out of their way to keep them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this year.

1723
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Speaker 8: Ben Johnson's good at his job.

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Speaker 1: No matter what you say about Dan Campbell, he's likable.

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Speaker 7: I enjoy him. I liked him in hard Knocks. I

1726
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 7: mean I don't like him.

1727
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean he's kind of a harder, but he is

1728
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: what he is always. But he loves football, he loves

1729
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 1: his players. You know, you can't not like him.

1730
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 5: He might be a likable guy. I don't like him

1731
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 5: as a coach. Yeah, I don't know how like the

1732
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 5: way he coached. I don't know how capable is.

1733
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: But I like him.

1734
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 7: There's always gonna be coaches like that, right, Just think

1735
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 7: that's just such a like coaching stereotype of that kind

1736
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 7: of just hard.

1737
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: And on the way up.

1738
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 16: We're gonna buy a kneecap off, all right, We're gonna stand.

1739
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 8: Up school coach like I just I think it. Maybe

1740
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 8: it's more or like what Paul's saying is that like

1741
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 8: him as an actual coach is why I feel. But

1742
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 8: the personality thing is just it doesn't do it for me.

1743
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 8: The kneecaps and all that.

1744
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 5: I don't like it either. I agree.

1745
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 8: I'm just not can you coach or can you not?

1746
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: But we'll see this year. I feel like Kevin and

1747
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: Michigan when Brady was here, we never had these types

1748
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: of identity issues on offense, even with Garoppolo Brissett. This

1749
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: castle why, all of a sudden does it seem like

1750
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: we can't have a functioning offense. Screen short games used

1751
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: to be our bread and butter. Now we can't even

1752
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: run a proper screen. It just can't be because Brady

1753
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:33,799
Speaker 1: isn't here. What's changed?

1754
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 7: Well, I mean it's a quarterback. Like I don't like

1755
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 7: this this identity thing. It's your quarterback, Like, that's who

1756
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 7: your identity. I mean, how many teams in the NFL

1757
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,879
Speaker 7: that are good their identity isn't their quarterback?

1758
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: Like that's what it is. That's what this league is.

1759
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 7: I don't, you know, I just think that we're getting

1760
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 7: too caught up and you know, trying to find out

1761
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 7: what you are. You're you're one of the teams in

1762
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 7: the NFL that's looking to find a starting quarterback that

1763
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 7: can lead you to wins against good teams and get

1764
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 7: you into the playoffs and win playoff games. And that's

1765
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 7: what they're searching for right now. And they're they're, you know,

1766
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 7: not alone in that kind of like that. You talk

1767
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 7: about the Lions, what's their identity? Maybe it's Dan Campbell,

1768
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 7: but otherwise right now, it's jerk goff and sometimes he's

1769
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 7: good and sometimes he's not good, and that's what they're

1770
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 7: dealing with too.

1771
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:17,959
Speaker 1: You know, well, you know it's rare that an offensive

1772
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 1: identity isn't the quarterback, but.

1773
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 8: It can happen, you know, with like like Derrick Henry special,

1774
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 8: but like San Francisco's offensive identity in my mind is

1775
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 8: Kyle Shanahan. Right, So this goes back to what you

1776
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 8: got to have something that's special. Like the forty nine

1777
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 8: ers have special skill talent, they have a really good

1778
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 8: offensive line, and they have a really really special offensive

1779
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 8: mind running the ship. But I just when you ask

1780
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 8: about the screen game and stuff like that, I think

1781
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 8: Paul brought up a really really valid point about cut

1782
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 8: blocking and how much that's changed the screen game. But

1783
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 8: I would also say, if you're not respecting anything down

1784
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 8: the field, it becomes a whole lot easier to play

1785
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 8: screens when you know that all they can do well

1786
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 8: is screen you. And I think that that's really what

1787
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 8: happened last year. We heard it from like opposing defensive

1788
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 8: I think it was a ban Joseph or someone like

1789
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 8: that was like, yeah, yeah, right, and all it is

1790
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 8: if all it is is quick game and screen, quick

1791
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 8: game and screen, and then you're just what you can

1792
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 8: just crack the line of scrimmage and if he throws

1793
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 8: they throw a screen, you're just gonna be all over it.

1794
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 8: So until the Patriots can prove they can consistently push

1795
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 8: the ball ten plus yards down the field, then obviously

1796
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 8: these teams are just gonna be sitting all over screens

1797
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 8: and underneath throws and things like that.

1798
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 7: It's an interesting exercise because it's like, you know, we

1799
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 7: just name very specific instances of teams that aren't the quarterback,

1800
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 7: and I'm trying to think of any like great one.

1801
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 7: Shan Ann totally, Henry definitely one. But like as you

1802
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 7: get there's few of those to fine. Like otherwise, there's

1803
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 7: just a huge chunk of teams that are just trying

1804
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 7: to figure out a quarterback. And once they find that guy,

1805
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 7: look at the Bills, all of a sudden, Josh Allen

1806
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 7: is their identity. You know what, what are the Jets

1807
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 7: identity gonna be this year? Is it gonna be their

1808
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 7: young stars? Is going to be Aaron Rodgers? Probably Aaron

1809
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 7: Rodgers unless those guys you know, all step up and

1810
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 7: you know, play crazy good.

1811
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 1: But right that's the expectation. Christian says, this is a

1812
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: Christian from Charlotte, North Carolina. This team is not going

1813
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: to be relevant until they get rid of Bill. He

1814
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: believes that offense is irrelevant and he's going to die

1815
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 1: on that hill. The team at best will be eight

1816
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 1: and nine between no tackles or receiver talent. This team

1817
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: each day is giving me less hope. I hope they

1818
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 1: proved me wrong. We are or we are in for

1819
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 1: a long season.

1820
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 8: I think there is, as the person that's probably been

1821
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 8: the most negative on this show as anybody, the hope

1822
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 8: that I see with the team if you want to

1823
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 8: you know, rebellions are built on hope, right, so if

1824
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 8: you want to have a little bit of hope is that.

1825
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 8: I think coaching wise, they've gotten back to being a

1826
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 8: really well coached team on both sides of the football,

1827
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 8: and that still counts for something. If they're really they're

1828
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 8: schemming it up well on offense, and they're they're timing

1829
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 8: and they're exe cution is cleaning even if they don't

1830
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 8: have the best players, and then defensively, I think they

1831
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:06,560
Speaker 8: do have good players and then they do also have

1832
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 8: good coaching that you're looking at a team. That best

1833
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 8: case scenario to me still is twenty twenty one. Well,

1834
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 8: a ten win team, that's a wildcard team in the play.

1835
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: The danger is you say, well, they were eight and

1836
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 1: nine last year and they made all those mistakes. Now

1837
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,919
Speaker 1: they have better coaching, so they won't make the mistakes,

1838
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 1: so that means two more wins. But the schedule is

1839
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:24,959
Speaker 1: so much tougher.

1840
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 8: This right, and that's why I can't get to the

1841
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 8: ten wins is because of the schedule, and you need

1842
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 8: to have great players in order to beat great teams, right,

1843
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 8: And that's just the difference.

1844
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: So they could be make less mistakes, but because the

1845
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: opponents are better, they still could end up at well.

1846
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 5: When you're also making an assumption that if you didn't

1847
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 5: make the mistakes that they made last year, they would

1848
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 5: have won those games, like that's not all Like just

1849
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 5: because you don't have you know, three fallse star penalties

1850
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 5: doesn't mean you win the game. Like obviously they consistently

1851
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 5: shut themselves in the foot last year, but it's not

1852
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 5: like they.

1853
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 1: Moved the ball.

1854
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 5: They moved the ball. They moved the ball, then the

1855
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 5: would get a penalty and they stop and at the

1856
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 5: puns they went three and out I think fourth most

1857
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 5: in the league something like that.

1858
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 8: Right, But if they had Bill O'Brien running the offense last.

1859
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 5: No, that's valid, say I Like, there's a lot of

1860
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 5: people that say, well, the special teams cost them this

1861
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 5: and the mistakes of that, and that's not gonna happen again.

1862
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 5: Probably not. You probably are not gonna go up to

1863
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 5: kickoff returns for touchdowns in the same game again, right,

1864
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 5: But who's to say, like, you're gonna score I don't know,

1865
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 5: eight defensive touchdown how many defenser touchdowns they have last year?

1866
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 5: Dugger head three alone. Yeah, you're gonna score all those

1867
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 5: Like those kinds of things even out, Like you do

1868
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 5: some dumb things, you commit some pre snap penalties. The

1869
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 5: next year, that'll even out, but something else will happen,

1870
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 5: Like I agree with Evans's point, Like it's just at

1871
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 5: some point you got to look at the roster and

1872
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 5: look at the talent and say, does that team have

1873
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 5: more talent than this team? And if that's the case

1874
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:54,560
Speaker 5: more often than not, which I think it will be

1875
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 5: thirteen maybe twelve times this year. That's asking a lot

1876
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 5: of your coaching staff, Like you got to go out

1877
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 5: and win US four or five games because of our

1878
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 5: game plan and our preparation. That's hard.

1879
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: Christ and Virginia. Hearing everything out of camp just reminds

1880
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: me of last year, even the comments that'll get better

1881
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 1: and once they get into the games, they'll figure it out.

1882
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm a big Mac fan, but the timing issue that

1883
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,560
Speaker 1: Evan is talking about is what my big thing was

1884
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: last year and now it's the same. My concern level

1885
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: is four out of ten. We need a better wide receiver.

1886
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: I'd give Nikhil Harrie a call that once for Paul

1887
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 1: and Evan.

1888
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:35,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just I don't know. I think it's important

1889
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 8: to keep saying that the my concerns about this offense

1890
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 8: this year are significantly different than they were last year.

1891
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 8: Whether that makes you feel better or not is up

1892
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 8: to you. But last year, the offensive system was broken.

1893
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 8: The system was broken. There was zero trust in what

1894
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 8: they were doing. They had guys running into each other,

1895
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 8: they had zero spacing. They didn't know how to pick

1896
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 8: up a blitz from a a pre snap standpoint. They're

1897
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 8: getting the line of scrimmage, they have no they're they

1898
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 8: don't they're not pointing in the right direction, they don't

1899
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 8: know who's got to like that was a broken system.

1900
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 8: This is a clean operation that I just am not

1901
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 8: sold on the talent that is actually going out there

1902
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 8: and trying to execute what they're putting together.

1903
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 1: Kyle says, I agree with Evan about putting Zappi in

1904
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 1: with the ones, but for a different reason. We've all

1905
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: heard about Max fire and competitiveness, and if he gets

1906
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: put with the twos, it could ignite that fire and

1907
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: help him fix his clock that way.

1908
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 7: I mean, I think that that's that kind of speaks

1909
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 7: to the you know, Bill's refusal to say Mac Jones

1910
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 7: is our starter, like, I think he loves it. I mean,

1911
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 7: I think he wants there even if you know, I

1912
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 7: mean I hesitate to say that even if Mac was

1913
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 7: well established and was just you know, firing darts all

1914
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 7: over the place, that he wouldn't. But I just think

1915
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 7: generally he likes to keep that fire burning hot and

1916
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 7: keeping you know, don't give him that like, oh, he said,

1917
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 7: I'm the starter, so I'm the starter, And you know,

1918
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 7: I think he wants to keep that element of doubt

1919
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 7: in Max's mind. And I think, you know, Evan has

1920
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 7: a good point of why. I mean, I don't think

1921
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 7: he's played to a point where he's solidified himself as

1922
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 7: the you know, as the no question starter. It's you know,

1923
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 7: and I don't. I don't know what to make of

1924
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 7: them sorely snaps of it all.

1925
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 6: But I'm wondering because you know, for some people that

1926
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 6: is the case, where like when you take something away

1927
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 6: from them and you put somebody else in it, it

1928
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 6: does light a fire under you and it makes you

1929
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 6: want to work really.

1930
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 3: Hard and prove that it's yours.

1931
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 6: But then for others, when you do that, it kind

1932
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 6: of makes you shut down, like they don't do well

1933
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 6: with adversity in the sense that like it kind of

1934
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 6: makes him insecure. And so I'm like wondering if this

1935
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 6: uncertainty and this lack of like ability to claim him

1936
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,759
Speaker 6: as the starter, is that like taking.

1937
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 3: Away from his confidence too.

1938
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Speaker 6: I would like, would it make him more confident if

1939
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Speaker 6: he knew, like, hey, my coach is backing me and

1940
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Speaker 6: like vocally telling the world I'm the starter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

1942
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Speaker 7: Now, I think it's a fair debate. I mean, I

1943
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:54,600
Speaker 7: also just say I think Mac has been dealing with

1944
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 7: this kind of coaching his whole career, going back to

1945
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 7: you know, high school when he was in Florida. Similar

1946
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 7: hard ass a coach that you know wanted things done

1947
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 7: his way and you know, not wanted to throw flowers

1948
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 7: at everybody's feet. Nick Nick Saban's same kind of thing.

1949
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Speaker 7: So I don't know, it's it's I mean, that's you know,

1950
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 7: that's the fine point where coaching lives. You know what

1951
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 7: buttons to push at what time, and you know each

1952
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 7: coach is going to make certain choices that you know.

1953
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 7: But I think you're right. It's it's a it's a

1954
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 7: balancing act that you don't know you're gonna lose somebody.

1955
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you need to be coddled, then can

1956
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: you really make it?

1957
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1958
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 7: And it's the NFL. So like that's you have to

1959
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 7: understand that your job is on the line, whether you're

1960
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 7: Matthew Judon, whether you're Matthews, Like every day you're out there,

1961
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 7: you have to perform. That is what this job is.

1962
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Speaker 7: So that is the baseline of this.

1963
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: David and Bethlehem. I don't want a cheerful, glad handing

1964
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 1: guy who's well regarded by his teammates. He's talking about Mac.

1965
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: I want a guy with dead eye confidence. Forget the

1966
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 1: xanax approach to competition give me urgency, not happiness.

1967
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know about all that. I don't know

1968
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 8: if he's really this Like.

1969
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Speaker 5: I'm going to come to his defense on that one too.

1970
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 5: I don't think he's a laid back. No, I think

1971
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 5: he's fiery.

1972
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, And they literally his nickname in Alabama was McEnroe.

1973
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 8: So I don't really think that that's I don't see

1974
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 8: like a happy, go lucky kid. That's just like, yeah,

1975
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 8: we were just practicing.

1976
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 3: Like, I think he definitely is competitive, but I think

1977
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 3: he does well. We haven't seen it. He lacks that edge,

1978
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 3: that like that ice in his veins. We have not

1979
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 3: seen that. No, we have not seen that.

1980
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 6: Like as far as like coming back from the adversity

1981
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 6: and just having that fire under him, we haven't seen that.

1982
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:34,600
Speaker 8: But my but what I'm starting to wonder is is

1983
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 8: it just because he is not physically capable of doing that.

1984
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 8: I don't think that it's mentality. I don't think that

1985
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 8: it's mentality with him, because we see it just behind

1986
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,560
Speaker 8: the scenes. We see work ethic, we see all we

1987
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 8: see fire, we see all that. So I think it's ability.

1988
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:53,679
Speaker 1: We like these type of games. Who was a quarterback

1989
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: that you would say had average or to limited physical skills,

1990
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: but had that fire, and that fire took them over

1991
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: the edge.

1992
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 7: I mean it's I mean, everybody's kind of a different

1993
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 7: shade of this. I mean, I don't know. Russell Wilson

1994
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 7: isn't exactly you know, the most. I mean, he's got

1995
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 7: a great default.

1996
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 5: You're looking for, you're looking for.

1997
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 1: A guy who you know, it's not Aaron Rodgers in

1998
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: terms of ability, but his attitude is fire. His competitiveness

1999
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: made him a great quarter.

2000
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Speaker 5: I mean you could argue that for Brady.

2001
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but as we've said, like he had a better

2002
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 1: than average arm and.

2003
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 11: No, but like.

2004
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 5: I'm not talking about like when you say, I know

2005
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 5: you're gonna laugh at when you say Aaron Rodgers, Like

2006
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers might be as physically gifted as any guy

2007
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 5: like John Elway. Might be very few that have more so,

2008
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna in comparison, Ian Marino was a fiery guy,

2009
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 5: but he had but he had an amazing skills, incredible skills.

2010
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 1: But I know you're gonna laugh at me. But Doug

2011
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:59,560
Speaker 1: Flutie was a guy who shouldn't have even done what

2012
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: he now. Listen, he shouldn't have even done what he

2013
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: did and he overcame. I think just you know, limited

2014
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: physical abilities was amazing competitiveness, amazing competitiveness.

2015
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Speaker 8: You know, I don't think, you know, I don't know

2016
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 8: if there's a great example, because I think that you

2017
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 8: do have to have some sort of baseline ability like

2018
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 8: it at this level, because there's guys like Tim Tebow

2019
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 8: in college can light up college because of that, because

2020
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 8: of just sheer want to and competitiveness. But then he

2021
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 8: got to the NFL and he and he had you know,

2022
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:39,719
Speaker 8: eight games, and then was terrible.

2023
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think I think, you know, one of

2024
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: those things about this exercise here is it's rare, if

2025
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: at all, like that a guy without the physical skills

2026
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: could become a great quarterback in the NFL.

2027
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 6: It's hard unless you have the five star line and

2028
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 6: the five star weapons like every but who's that guy?

2029
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: Tell me the guy?

2030
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 8: You know, I don't have them.

2031
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, don't I mean try Aikman that good?

2032
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, number one overall pick I know, but you know,

2033
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 5: I think your fluty one is is accurate, like five nothing,

2034
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 5: one hundred and nothing. But he just willed himself into

2035
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 5: being as good a player as it could be. Yeah,

2036
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 5: now I think he's stunk, but that's the.

2037
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 1: But he won games in the NFL and because of him,

2038
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: he made plays I know, and he and he should

2039
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 1: have played in that game in Buffalo. I think you're

2040
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 1: right about against Tennessee. They should have put a mample.

2041
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 5: Then that the miracle wouldn't have happened. If that had happened,

2042
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 5: they wouldn't have had to happen, but they wouldn't have

2043
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 5: had the lead with with ten seconds left kicking off.

2044
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Speaker 8: So the one guy and that's currently playing that it

2045
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 8: hasn't won anything, So take this the But like I

2046
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 8: think Kirk Cousins has that that you like, that sort

2047
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 8: of fire. Yeah, And I don't think Kirk Cousins is

2048
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:57,679
Speaker 8: super talented.

2049
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 7: He doesn't even practice on Tuesdays.

2050
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 8: There you go, he doesn't even practice on Tuesdays. But

2051
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 8: he's carved out a pretty solid NFL career all things considered.

2052
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 1: And you say because of his competitiveness in his fire,

2053
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:11,640
Speaker 1: he definitely has swag too.

2054
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's more that than like he has

2055
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 8: some big arm, you know, or some big physical ability. Okay,

2056
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 8: but he hasn't won anything, so it's not really that's one.

2057
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 8: It's not really a great it's not a perfect example,

2058
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,679
Speaker 8: because I wish I could give you one of somebody

2059
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 8: that's actually won something.

2060
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 1: It's hard to just like like Phil Simms, Jaked Alone,

2061
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: Chad Alone.

2062
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:32,720
Speaker 8: Oh that's a good one.

2063
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, from the Panther, good one.

2064
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, Jake Delone, or like even like Tony Romo. That

2065
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 8: makes me think of that era as Tony Romo.

2066
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's hard in this league to not have

2067
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:47,799
Speaker 1: exceptional skills and make it as a quarterback.

2068
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 7: What would it taken a step father? Because we were

2069
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 7: told that, you know, Max's skill is his mind. Is

2070
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 7: there a quarterback that you can think of that wins

2071
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 7: with his mind?

2072
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: Really? Like you Joe Montana. I mean, you know, you

2073
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 1: know Joe cool, but he was really damn accurate, you know.

2074
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 1: And and but I think his his superpower was his brain.

2075
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 1: I would have to say, in his coolness, pressure brain.

2076
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 7: Kind of coupled with it.

2077
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah too. But he is the one that had to

2078
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 1: make the plays, you know.

2079
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 7: And and you you mentioned Joe cool that you know,

2080
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 7: that's the thing that we're kind of waiting for with

2081
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 7: Mac is to see him under pressure, to see him

2082
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 7: be Matt cool and you know, be able to execute

2083
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 7: in those games and pull off a you know, come

2084
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 7: from behind victory.

2085
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 1: But you know, like I mentioned Phil Simms, I never

2086
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: thought he was that great a quarterback. But he had

2087
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: a great defense and everything around him was great.

2088
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 3: You know, that's when I think Mac thrives.

2089
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 6: I think with a great album, great defense, and everything

2090
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 6: around him was great. He had great coaches too, So like.

2091
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 1: It's hard, Yeah, it's hard to not have those skills

2092
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:54,639
Speaker 1: in the NFL as a quarterback. Ron and Conway New Hampshire.

2093
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm currently listening to your show while I'm at work

2094
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: in my office. I hear the talk about the I

2095
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 1: agree with everything you're saying about Mac being indecisive. If

2096
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 1: any of you have seen the NFL documentary called The

2097
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 1: Brady Sixth, there's a great comp to Mac's current situation.

2098
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: The Qban question was Giovanni Carmazi for the Niners. He

2099
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 1: was all world in college and great in camp and

2100
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 1: had a good defense and Mariucci as a coach. To me,

2101
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: that's not a plus. As soon as he started to

2102
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 1: get hit in real games and made mistakes constantly, he

2103
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:29,679
Speaker 1: lost his confidence and never recovered and after two years

2104
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: was out of the league entirely. I'm a Mac fan,

2105
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:34,680
Speaker 1: but he's not the answer. I might be wrong, but

2106
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: this is a similar feeling. I get love your show,

2107
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 1: and I listened to every podcast you all do.

2108
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 8: Thanks.

2109
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 5: Like Giovanni Carmazi played at Hofstra, he was like a

2110
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 5: sixth round pick. He was an overachiever to get where

2111
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 5: he got, and he wasn't good enough to play in

2112
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 5: the NFL. Now maybe he didn't have the mental capacity either,

2113
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:58,799
Speaker 5: but I just think that's disrespectful to Mac. Yeah, Florida,

2114
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 5: it's like the fifteenth overall Alabama. You know, I don't

2115
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 5: think that's apples to apples that comparison.

2116
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 1: Jerry from Virginia some thoughts on Mac and Zappie. I

2117
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 1: grew up in Vermont. I remember when we had a

2118
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner as a rookie quarterback, Jim Plunkett. I

2119
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 1: watched that he was pummeled to death as a Patriot.

2120
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: He's a perfect example of how a bad team can

2121
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:27,560
Speaker 1: destroy a rookie quarterback. Plunkett had no confidence when he

2122
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: left the team, but put a great front line up

2123
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: for him, and he recovers and wins Super Bowls. Now,

2124
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 1: let's talk Matt rookie preseason, he had nothing to lose

2125
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:38,719
Speaker 1: take risks as you are the expected backup, it makes

2126
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 1: sense to go for Broke as he had nothing to lose. Results,

2127
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 1: he beats out Cam and has a really good rookie year,

2128
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 1: taking his team to the playoffs four to year two.

2129
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 1: He enters preseason with full confidence and then everything goes

2130
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:54,759
Speaker 1: to hell. By the end of the year, he's shell shocked,

2131
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,679
Speaker 1: second guessing himself and his coach, and he has lost

2132
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: Belichick's trust. Now he's aware that his job is at risk,

2133
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 1: particularly with the media constantly focusing on him in a

2134
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 1: negative light. So Mac has a confidence issue and he

2135
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 1: plays it safe in the field so far. Meanwhile, Zappi

2136
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: has nothing to lose as the de facto backup. He

2137
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: can sling the ball and take risks and there's no

2138
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 1: chance McSorley will beat him. The only saving grace for

2139
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 1: Mac is whether he can get over last year and

2140
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 1: remember what the year before felt like. If so, maybe

2141
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: he will become more of a risk taker. Otherwise, this

2142
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:32,879
Speaker 1: team may have ruined him during this last year's fiasco.

2143
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 1: That's kind of what Evan was saying, like it might

2144
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 1: have broke him last year, you know, but even that

2145
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 1: first year, like he didn't take a lot of risks.

2146
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 1: He was not a gun slinger.

2147
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 8: Well it's not of a I don't want him to

2148
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 8: be a gunslinger either, I just you gotta he has

2149
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:52,719
Speaker 8: to have the ability to fit some tight window throws,

2150
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 8: like not everything can just be open all the time,

2151
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 8: or schemed open, or a receiver gets open like the

2152
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 8: core has to every once in a while. I if

2153
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:05,680
Speaker 8: you go watch across the league every single Sunday, it's

2154
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 8: not like every single throw that guys are completing are

2155
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 8: to wide open guys.

2156
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 1: If he only had the confidence of Gardner Minshew, that's

2157
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 1: one thing he doesn't lack, I do.

2158
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of truth to it, though,

2159
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 7: just in terms of not seeing the game the right

2160
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 7: way anymore, and you know, having to rebuild going through

2161
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 7: your progressions and trusting what you're seeing and trusting the receivers.

2162
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 7: And so maybe that's you know, what we're seeing is

2163
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 7: is mac These are the kind of early growing pains

2164
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 7: of him going against the defense in this new offense,

2165
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 7: trying to get everything down, trying to have confidence in

2166
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:38,560
Speaker 7: it all. And that's why I mean, I think we

2167
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 7: all are you know, qualifying a little bit of just

2168
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 7: you know, we are just less than a week into camp,

2169
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 7: and you know he does deserve a little bit of time,

2170
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 7: but certainly times running out we got in the next

2171
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:50,559
Speaker 7: three weeks. This is when it's gonna happen, the joint practices,

2172
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 7: the preseason games, and you know, if it continues to

2173
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 7: look like this, then I think we're all.

2174
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 1: And remember what that schedule looks like beginning of the season.

2175
01:37:58,120 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 7: I mean, right out of the gate, you get the

2176
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 7: FC champs, who are you know, everything that people kind

2177
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:04,400
Speaker 7: of make fun of this team for not being a

2178
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 7: modern offense team that you know right now is the

2179
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 7: darlings of the draft and oh wow, how they're working

2180
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 7: their boards up and down and all that kind of stuff.

2181
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 7: And then you know Miami, which is just to me,

2182
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 7: that's that's the team that you're kind of battling with.

2183
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 1: If you run four games, are are tough?

2184
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say, I'm glad they're catching a break with Ramsey.

2185
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. I see how much.

2186
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 8: But I think that you know, Fred, I know Paul

2187
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 8: was teasing you about your point of just throw it

2188
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 8: anyways earlier, but I kind of with you on that

2189
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 8: because for the example, the one that I threw my

2190
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 8: pen and I didn't I didn't hit anybody with it.

2191
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 8: Uh wait, Tomorrio Douglas was open. And on the one hand,

2192
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 8: you could say, well, maybe Matt didn't trust him to

2193
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 8: read it correctly and he wasn't going to be there,

2194
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 8: but the coaches know where he's supposed to be. So

2195
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:55,679
Speaker 8: if he throws the ball at to Mario Douglas's outside

2196
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 8: hip and to Mario Douglas breaks inside and Jack Jones

2197
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 8: steps in front of it for a pick, and Bill

2198
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 8: O'Brien's gonna say, Tomorrio Douglas, what are you doing?

2199
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 1: Right?

2200
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 8: So I would much rather see him make that mistake

2201
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 8: in practice than to just say, nope, check it down

2202
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 8: to remonderate in the flat and.

2203
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 1: That, like you said, it's not a mistake, right, it

2204
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:16,759
Speaker 1: looks like a mistake.

2205
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 8: And this is and this is not to go on

2206
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 8: a whole rant about training camp stats, but this is

2207
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 8: where the training camp stats thing really bugs me. Is

2208
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 8: because everybody's going to put that down as a good

2209
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 8: play for its completion for the quarterback, right, good play

2210
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 8: by the quarterback because he checked it down and it

2211
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:35,560
Speaker 8: was a pass that was completed, but there was a

2212
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 8: bigger play out that he left out on the field.

2213
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 8: And that's the context that you need to see and

2214
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 8: look at and say, well, was that really a good

2215
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 8: play by the quarterback or was that actually did on

2216
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 8: the table?

2217
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:48,680
Speaker 1: Right?

2218
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 8: And he and I think too often that we are

2219
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 8: seeing him leave money on the table.

2220
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 1: Three second sessions being fres Though fred the idea that

2221
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 1: last year broke and traumatized Mac could be right. It

2222
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 1: also it could also, or alternatively be that he just

2223
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 1: didn't have what it takes, as I believe was likely

2224
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 1: signaled toward the end of his rookie season and forward

2225
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:14,960
Speaker 1: from there. The answer is probably all of the above,

2226
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:18,759
Speaker 1: but it doesn't excel this season. But if he doesn't

2227
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 1: excel this season, let's not assume it's only a David

2228
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 1: Carr thing. He was famously pummeled with the Texans.

2229
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 8: I don't necessarily think that we should excuse it all

2230
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 8: away as like a David Carr thing. But I do

2231
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 8: think Mack was on the trajectory of his rookie season

2232
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 8: of being the other car like or you know, I

2233
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 8: mentioned Kirk Cousins earlier, like, I think he was on

2234
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:46,639
Speaker 8: that trajector. I don't think he was ever gonna personally.

2235
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 8: I never thought that he was going to be truly special.

2236
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 8: I never thought he was going to be a guy

2237
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 8: that we thought of as an MVP candidate or a

2238
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 8: top five quarterback in the league. Maybe like Matt Ryan

2239
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 8: had that one one MVP season, right like, maybe that

2240
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:01,640
Speaker 8: it all would come together in year ten, and he

2241
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 8: would have a Julio Jones to throw to in a

2242
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 8: great and it would all come together for statistically to

2243
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 8: have that kind of year. But I don't I truly

2244
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 8: think that he was on a good enough trajectory to

2245
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:17,240
Speaker 8: have a long career. And I still think that that's possible.

2246
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 8: I'm not ruling that out, but I I don't think

2247
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:23,639
Speaker 8: you can there's a middle ground between a David Carr

2248
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 8: situation and and you know, him being special.

2249
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 1: I guess a sticket hutline eight five five past five hundred,

2250
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 1: Tim is on the road, Watch out for cars, Tim, Yeah, okay,

2251
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 1: how's the traffic.

2252
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 19: Not bad?

2253
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:46,599
Speaker 1: Okay? What do you got? Yeah?

2254
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:50,560
Speaker 12: What big thought? I had trew breeze to meet with

2255
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:53,599
Speaker 12: somebody arm.

2256
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:58,559
Speaker 1: But I think that's a good that's a good example

2257
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 1: of a guy who unbelievable anticipation, knowledge of the game,

2258
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 1: and overcame you know, uh if the arm.

2259
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you asked about fiery personality. Yeah, I don't

2260
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 5: think Drew Brees is firing.

2261
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:12,320
Speaker 1: Oh you haven't seen him break down the team before

2262
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 1: the game. They do the song that's pretty fire.

2263
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:16,560
Speaker 5: I think he's all that.

2264
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:18,720
Speaker 8: If we want to go for Drew Brees, then we

2265
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 8: better go build a dome.

2266
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 5: Well, I'm not even I'm not even being disrespectful to

2267
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 5: Drew Brees like I am, although I have used that

2268
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:31,240
Speaker 5: line many times in the past. But I think he's

2269
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 5: a guy who got the most out of his talent,

2270
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 5: for sure. I don't think because of a fiery personality. Okay, fair,

2271
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:39,719
Speaker 5: but I think one is a good one. Yeah, even

2272
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 5: though I don't think.

2273
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 8: I agree that Drew Brees got the most out of

2274
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 8: his talent, I just don't know if I think Drew

2275
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:49,719
Speaker 8: Brees is a dome quarterback that that was a subject

2276
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 8: of a very good era for somebody like Drew Brees.

2277
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2278
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 8: If Drew Brees played his entire career in Foxborough, yeah,

2279
01:42:57,640 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 8: I'm not sure what it looked the same.

2280
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 1: But you know, talk about throwing guys open here's a

2281
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 1: guy that would have to throw over his line. You know,

2282
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 1: the trajectory on Drew Brees's ball was so much different

2283
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 1: than a six or four quarterback, Yet it would drop

2284
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 1: right where it had to be because he trusted his

2285
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:15,800
Speaker 1: receiver to be where he was supposed to be.

2286
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know remember on the Blue Doors off the

2287
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 7: Patriots and O nine. That was that was a butt kicking.

2288
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:22,640
Speaker 7: If I ever saw on that was the best I

2289
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:23,839
Speaker 7: think I've seen Drew Brees.

2290
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 5: Five touchdowns that day. I would just say, Marcus Colston, Yeah,

2291
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 5: I'm you know this fread because we've talked about this before.

2292
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 5: I'm closer to Evan on Drew Brees. Yeah, that doesn't

2293
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 5: mean I don't think he's a great quarterback. I do

2294
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 5: think he was a great quarterback. I don't put him

2295
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:45,120
Speaker 5: in the echelon of obviously Brady, but Peyton Manning, John Elway,

2296
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 5: well even now like Aaron Rodgers. I think these guys

2297
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 5: were better players than he was and did it in different,

2298
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:53,639
Speaker 5: you know, different conditions. Manning was a Dome quarterback too,

2299
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 5: but I saw him play well outside of the Dome.

2300
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, every time I saw Drew Brees playing

2301
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 5: reasonably bad weather. He didn't pay well. Yeah, I thought

2302
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 5: they had some playoff games against inferior teams on the

2303
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 5: road like Chicago, and they didn't look anything anything similar.

2304
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 5: So I mean, I think he's great. I just don't

2305
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 5: think he's one of the five best all time. Like

2306
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 5: when he retired he had the record, right, Yeah, that

2307
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:17,639
Speaker 5: Brady Broke. I don't look at him that way.

2308
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 1: Would you say? Philip Rivers was a guy who's a

2309
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 1: fire Competitiveness brought him to the next level.

2310
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:25,560
Speaker 5: That's a fiery guy that you could use that for.

2311
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, that and his kids, you know.

2312
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:31,639
Speaker 8: But Philip Rivers was also a specimen like talented guy

2313
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:33,800
Speaker 8: in terms of his he was like six ' five,

2314
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 8: like he had a weird delivery. But yeah, I don't know.

2315
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 8: I feel like he had more physical ability than Mac.

2316
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 5: That fourth overall pick.

2317
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, let's see.

2318
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 11: Uh.

2319
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:49,560
Speaker 1: David writes in Rochester, New York. Julian is a this

2320
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 1: is a what's he called this or that game? Julian

2321
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 1: Edelman or Wes Welker. That's a tough one.

2322
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 5: It's a ridiculously tough one. I'd take Welker, but I

2323
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:00,800
Speaker 5: have no problem taking Edelman.

2324
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:02,679
Speaker 1: Is it the playoffs.

2325
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 5: I love them both.

2326
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 1: I'll take Edelman, he's proving it. Yeah, he's proven.

2327
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:09,719
Speaker 5: I take Welker there too. But you can't go wrong.

2328
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 1: Win Super Bowl fifty two or win super Bowl forty six,

2329
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 1: forty six, eight to three.

2330
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 7: I might well right after it right now.

2331
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,599
Speaker 5: Eagles, the Eagles, the Eagles life.

2332
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 8: I sap the Eagles for so many of them, you

2333
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 8: just lose track.

2334
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 7: I take the Eagles one, because then they would have

2335
01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 7: four in a row, right, So I think that, I

2336
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 7: mean as much as forty six would be three in

2337
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:34,720
Speaker 7: a row, three in row.

2338
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:37,120
Speaker 8: When they got forty nine sixteen seventeen, they would.

2339
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 7: Have gone fifty fifty one fifty.

2340
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:40,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, so four out of five. But I mean, I

2341
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 5: guess if you look at it that way, that's the answer.

2342
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 5: I would have rather beaten the Giants to get revenge

2343
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 5: for the previous I can't.

2344
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 1: Believe Nikhil Harry or Ken Drow Tompkins, well, KEMBERL.

2345
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 5: Compins did Ken Brill Camber Tompkins had a far better career.

2346
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2347
01:45:56,720 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 5: If I just said that line.

2348
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 1: Mac Jones or Scott Zolac, I.

2349
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 8: Didn't see, so I can't speak.

2350
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:04,439
Speaker 5: I got it, and I'm not even talking about I'd

2351
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 5: to recuse myself.

2352
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 7: I'd have to say Zo just because I remember being

2353
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 7: excited about Zoe, like it was.

2354
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 1: Well, he had that one stretch of like three or

2355
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 1: four games he beat the forty nine ers. He was fun.

2356
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:16,599
Speaker 7: Pete Carroll is fiery. Here there's an example.

2357
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:19,599
Speaker 1: Know they you know, the the eleven the eleven thirty

2358
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 1: shows on Sunday night used to be the big sports show,

2359
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,240
Speaker 1: Like the news would come on and then Sunday night

2360
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 1: they'd have like a half hour talk show and it

2361
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:30,479
Speaker 1: would wrap up the weekend of sports, and you know,

2362
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 1: it would be talking heads and everything, and it was

2363
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:35,800
Speaker 1: must see TV for sports fans. And his father was

2364
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 1: going on those shows and all the talk was you

2365
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:41,720
Speaker 1: know Scott Zolac. You know, he'd shoot the guns after

2366
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 1: he made a play and it was a brief but

2367
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 1: memorable little run for him.

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Speaker 7: That that's happened a lot with backup quarterbacks, like I

2369
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 7: can't think of example a lot of other cities, but

2370
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 7: just like Zappy even last year, Like there's something about

2371
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:57,599
Speaker 7: an NFL team when suddenly the backup quarterback gets thrust

2372
01:46:57,680 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 7: in that people kind of rally around them and it's

2373
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,720
Speaker 7: actually if they've like Zolac have like a personality and

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01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:04,639
Speaker 7: you know there was just like I don't know why

2375
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 7: that particular portion of Patriots history sticks out for me

2376
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:09,800
Speaker 7: as a fan, but like I remember being like, yeah,

2377
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 7: I mean Blitze was hurt, but like you know, Gola though,

2378
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 7: you like like there was something about it that you like,

2379
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:15,719
Speaker 7: But I don't know that's cool.

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01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:22,000
Speaker 1: Patriots Darrell Reeves or Patriots Stefan Gilmore, Gilmore Gilmore.

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01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:24,479
Speaker 7: I think Gilmore Gilmore is at the height of his path.

2382
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,640
Speaker 7: He kind of like came into his peak while he

2383
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 7: was here, whereas Reeves was kind of on the backslide.

2384
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler or J. C. Jackson. I take Jackson.

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01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 5: I take Butler really yeah, really yeah. I think it's

2386
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:41,080
Speaker 5: weird because you can make your voice go high.

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01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:44,720
Speaker 8: I feel very there are two different types of so

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01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:47,719
Speaker 8: different players like Malcolm Butler, good Man Cover who couldn't

2389
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 8: catch it the ball.

2390
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 5: Jackson had a lot of picks, Like it's kind of

2391
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 5: like that stupid Buddy Ryan line that he used to

2392
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 5: get made fun of. Like Chris Catter, all he does

2393
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 5: is catch touchdowns like that was like a bad thing.

2394
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:01,120
Speaker 5: But all he does is catch like interceptions from his

2395
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 5: own Like I think that jac Jackson got beat or

2396
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:04,640
Speaker 5: someone threw the ball to him and he caught it

2397
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:07,760
Speaker 5: for a pick, and everybody's like nine picks. Like I

2398
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 5: think he was good. I think jac Jackson was good.

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01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 5: I don't think he was ever as good.

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01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 8: As I'd be very you know. I think jac Jackson

2401
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:18,400
Speaker 8: could be back here in like two years. But I

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01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:21,880
Speaker 8: Malcolm Butler is nickname amongst his teammates with straps because

2403
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:24,640
Speaker 8: he just locked people down in man coverage. So I

2404
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:25,479
Speaker 8: would take straps.

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01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 5: Yeh over, how come you don't make your voice go

2406
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:28,400
Speaker 5: high for him?

2407
01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 1: Really? Thank you?

2408
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 7: That's all I was looking for.

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01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:33,320
Speaker 5: He had little little balance.

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01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 1: Go seven and ten, Go seven and ten and Mac

2411
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:41,160
Speaker 1: is a top ten quarterback. Or go twelve and five,

2412
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 1: but Ma's not proven as a franchise quarterback. If what

2413
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:48,479
Speaker 1: happens after, how do we win the super Bowl?

2414
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:50,599
Speaker 5: How do you go twelve? And you can't win twelve

2415
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 5: games without him proving something? You can't fall into twelve wins?

2416
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 7: Can just comes here and it's like completely.

2417
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:00,759
Speaker 5: Just take with that schedule.

2418
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:02,800
Speaker 6: I mean, he's got to do something right If you're

2419
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 6: twelve and five, ye if you if you went twelve

2420
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:07,280
Speaker 6: and five and he's not your proven franchise quarterback.

2421
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:10,080
Speaker 3: That means that you got really lucky.

2422
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 1: Right, these receivers are a little better than we thought

2423
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 1: they were.

2424
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 6: That would have to be like two was out, you know,

2425
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 6: like Josh is out like.

2426
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:21,599
Speaker 8: One game that was limping around at practice today. Yes,

2427
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 8: oh gosh, my guy, big big impact.

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01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:29,280
Speaker 1: Should come sleek way Dan in New Hampshire. Have you

2429
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:33,639
Speaker 1: seen anything from Taekwan himself or scheme wise that's preventing

2430
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 1: him from contributing so far in camp?

2431
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:37,479
Speaker 6: No.

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01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 7: I mean he had the two the two catches the

2433
01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:40,880
Speaker 7: other day, which I mean I think one of them

2434
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:42,800
Speaker 7: I remembered distinkly that he had, you know, nice kind

2435
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 7: of moving the end zone to get open. But other

2436
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 7: than those two places, he was completely invisible to me today.

2437
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:48,679
Speaker 7: I didn't I didn't see him once.

2438
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, it seems like some I was. I was wondering

2439
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 8: if maybe he would be involved in some of the

2440
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 8: like the the motions that they were doing, just because

2441
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:01,639
Speaker 8: you get that speed moving in full speed and see

2442
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 8: you can get him out on the edge. But most

2443
01:50:04,160 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 8: of that stuff has been juju with the top guys.

2444
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:10,479
Speaker 8: And then Tomario Douglas with the twos, so it hasn't

2445
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:13,759
Speaker 8: really been Taekwon. I just think that he has issues

2446
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 8: playing through contact. And I don't mean like he's gonna

2447
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:20,680
Speaker 8: get hurt going over the middle. It just getting off

2448
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:24,160
Speaker 8: of coverage down the field, finishing through contact. I think

2449
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 8: those are things that he's still not quite there yet.

2450
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:29,400
Speaker 7: I think that's a good observation as I feel like

2451
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:31,600
Speaker 7: sometimes the place just don't look right with him, and

2452
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:34,320
Speaker 7: because he gets hung up, like the timing gets thrown off,

2453
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:37,719
Speaker 7: because he can't really get away from guys, he's gonna

2454
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 7: have to run away and not get touched.

2455
01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 8: I think, right, you know, he had a good play

2456
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:44,160
Speaker 8: on that fade in the back of the end zone,

2457
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:46,599
Speaker 8: which the other one that he had was a good

2458
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 8: I guess a good scramble drill, but that's the one.

2459
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 8: It might have been a sack honestly in the game anyways.

2460
01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 8: But the fade, I think it was against Isaiah Bolden.

2461
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:57,719
Speaker 8: He had a really good release at the line of scrimmage,

2462
01:50:58,040 --> 01:50:59,599
Speaker 8: but it was against Isaiah bolt Like, if he can

2463
01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:02,880
Speaker 8: do thatgainst Jonathan Jones and Christian Gonzalez, then that's how

2464
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 8: he won't get contacted down the field because he's going

2465
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:07,400
Speaker 8: to beat him at the line of scrimmage. His whole

2466
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:09,280
Speaker 8: game is the release. Like if he can get off

2467
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:11,080
Speaker 8: the line of scrimmage and he can shake a guy

2468
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:12,840
Speaker 8: where he gets him on his back and then he

2469
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 8: can just run away from you, and that's how he's

2470
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 8: going to get open. If you're right in his hip pocket,

2471
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:18,559
Speaker 8: then he's not going to get open.

2472
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 5: Since any issues still with Thoornton and like route running,

2473
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 5: or maybe not even the way he runs the route,

2474
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 5: but like running the correct route and knowing his assignments.

2475
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:32,080
Speaker 8: Yes, a couple of times, the one in particular that

2476
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:34,040
Speaker 8: mac Jones went right over to him after the play

2477
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:36,919
Speaker 8: and today no early.

2478
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 1: Has a second practice.

2479
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:40,559
Speaker 5: I thought I had a when hosts are not listening.

2480
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:42,640
Speaker 7: Now that was first or second day. I think we

2481
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:44,479
Speaker 7: might even have been on the radio. But that was

2482
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 7: one where I mean I haven't called that one out right, No,

2483
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:47,479
Speaker 7: right over to him.

2484
01:51:47,479 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 5: I've seen some issues with him at times with that.

2485
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:52,120
Speaker 5: And I remember last year he was one of two

2486
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:55,280
Speaker 5: guys in a similar area a lot, and you know

2487
01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 5: it was like him and Jonah Smith were in the

2488
01:51:57,280 --> 01:51:59,400
Speaker 5: same spot, him and Bourne were in the same spot,

2489
01:51:59,479 --> 01:52:03,560
Speaker 5: Him and Abe ma, he was the common phenomena.

2490
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 1: You are the weekly troubling. Ron says that actually Camazie

2491
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:10,839
Speaker 1: was a third round pick sixty fifth overall.

2492
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:14,920
Speaker 5: Correction still went to Hostra and not Alabama and was

2493
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:17,280
Speaker 5: not the fifteenth overall pick, but corrected.

2494
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 1: Nick says, Bill says cam is our quarterback. But Bill

2495
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 1: can't go out and say that about his first round quarterback.

2496
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:24,960
Speaker 1: If there was ever a time to have his back,

2497
01:52:25,120 --> 01:52:25,559
Speaker 1: it's now.

2498
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:26,240
Speaker 5: I agree.

2499
01:52:26,360 --> 01:52:29,040
Speaker 1: I think Tamara's spot on about Max shutting down. He's

2500
01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:32,160
Speaker 1: not Brady. We may not like it, but he's their

2501
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:35,599
Speaker 1: best shot at the playoffs. If it's Zappi, it's six wins.

2502
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 8: I just it's such a slippery slope. And this isn't

2503
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,840
Speaker 8: even about Mackett because I see it. You know you

2504
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 8: I'll know that I'm a huge Celtics fan and we

2505
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 8: we go back and forth with the Jays all the

2506
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:48,519
Speaker 8: time on this. It's like do you stroke the ego

2507
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:51,200
Speaker 8: or do you play or do you give him tough love?

2508
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:53,360
Speaker 8: Because when you stroke the ego and then all of

2509
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:55,559
Speaker 8: a sudden they think that they're Kobe before they're Kobe,

2510
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:57,960
Speaker 8: and it's like, you know, what are we gonna do?

2511
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:00,240
Speaker 8: I think it's the same thing with Macatt. It's just

2512
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:03,600
Speaker 8: such a difficult tightrope to walk where you want to

2513
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 8: give him confidence, but he also has to prove it

2514
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:08,840
Speaker 8: in the league still, and it's just what what what's

2515
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 8: the line there?

2516
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:12,280
Speaker 6: I would I would agree with you if he wasn't

2517
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:15,599
Speaker 6: done dirty last year. So I think that if last

2518
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:19,160
Speaker 6: year didn't happen and there was already a trust factor there,

2519
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:20,960
Speaker 6: then like you wouldn't have to go out there and

2520
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:22,800
Speaker 6: like prove that you trust him and he's your guy.

2521
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:24,920
Speaker 6: But because you let him be a part of your

2522
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 6: experiment and have taken no accountability for your for your actions,

2523
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:30,000
Speaker 6: and then you want to come out here and not

2524
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 6: claim what.

2525
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:33,920
Speaker 1: If you're what if you believe he was also part

2526
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:36,720
Speaker 1: of the problem because he didn't give it even if

2527
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:38,720
Speaker 1: you knew it wasn't good, but he just didn't have

2528
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:40,920
Speaker 1: a good attitude to make it give it a chance

2529
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:41,360
Speaker 1: to work.

2530
01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:43,479
Speaker 3: It's it's all very tough.

2531
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 6: I feel like he was dealt a bad hand and

2532
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,360
Speaker 6: also I feel like there's a trust issue going on,

2533
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 6: and then it's like then you want to you're still

2534
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:50,720
Speaker 6: not actually claiming him.

2535
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:53,400
Speaker 1: What if he went out of the family for advice.

2536
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all, it's all.

2537
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 6: I know.

2538
01:53:58,200 --> 01:53:59,960
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna have to cut it off shore.

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