WEBVTT - Erick Sermon Part 2 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.040 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:08.879 Happy New Year everyone. This is Sugar Steve from Questlove Supreme. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.159 We are here with Part two or Quest Loves one 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.640 on one interview with Eric Shermon. If you haven't done 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.159 so yet, please check out Part one, where Amir and 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:19.960 Eric speak about the formation of EPMD, Eric's pioneering rap 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:24.400 delivery and funky production, and a hometown rivalry between EPMD 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.240 and Eric B and rock Him. It's a great episode 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:31.000 you can't miss. Now QULS is back with part two. 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:42.680 Enjoy the Dos Effects album the first album. Who did 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:47.120 the production on that record? Was that your finger Prince? 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:47.639 Or was that? 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.440 Now? People talk about God best to day because one 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.960 of the guys is dead, so Chris and Derek was 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:58.279 they are two people from school, right right, But as 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:02.520 you can hear the drums, Roger the whole nine of course. 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.400 But everything was Snaps. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.920 Was used three times because again after I left the 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.400 records in there from what the album, because I used 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:15.320 snow on Redman, you know the record you know, watch 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.240 a Nugget, those records were there, and then all the 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.199 Roger Troutman that DOS Effects used again. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.240 So anyway, it was the crew. 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.160 I wouldn't get the credit for it too like that, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.920 but Christen and Derek was part of their solid scheme. 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.839 Team was the ones who really put the stuff together, 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.720 especially the single Now my voice is some live effects, 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.680 snapper neck for some live effects, but the father them 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.480 getting that James Brown thing going, that was deffly the 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:43.319 Derek and Chris. 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:47.720 So when they joined the crew, were they more Team 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.160 Parish or Team Eric? Like, how did you guys discover 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:51.520 them and brought them into the fold? 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.760 Well, we met them at a rap contest in Virginia, 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.120 Me and Pratts was doing the show and then there 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.400 was an after party. There was a rap contest and 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.160 and they was on it, but we let some other 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.840 two dudes win because the other two dudes was nice too. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.000 But we knew that we was going to sign dos effects. 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.600 And did they have that style when when you. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.400 Heard yeah, that was something that they did. They they 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.720 met in the lunch room cafeteria. 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.239 Right, okay, yeah, and Dre. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.440 Was rhyming on one side and School was vombing on 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.760 one side. I heard the story and said his man 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.240 brung them over and said, yo, my man raps. So 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.720 they start rhyming together, not knowing that dre would be 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.880 like say something like yo, he would be like, oh 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:35.360 that's dope. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.400 School was saying, but oh that's dope. Not knowing. 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.200 I don't know who had the iggity style first between 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.880 the two, but the story's never been told. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.200 And just the fact that they met up and they 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:47.840 became them. 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.600 And as I said at the top, sometimes a pioneer 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.080 does get there just too. But from your point of view, 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:02.600 no lyrical style to me came and washed hip hop 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.600 like a tsunami. Then the iggity style of ninety one 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:09.680 ninety two with DOS Effects. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.959 You have to make that clear. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.800 Not because those are my boys, but people can talk 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:20.360 about who changes different errors or different moments in time 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.400 and hip hop, and their name is not bought up, 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:27.600 meaning that when it goes to DOS Effects and Rex 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:32.079 and effect heavy d Laws is the underground ice crew 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.840 called them for check yourself. I mean, I've never seen 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.200 that before Christy. 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:39.920 It was phenomenal. 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:45.120 They changed a landscape in the industry and nobody says it. 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.440 The day that they want Effects came out. You know, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:54.480 it's like a local Philly Drexel radio show. Shout out 0:03:54.520 --> 0:04:01.480 to Cosmic Kevin aj Shin keV and Man literally like 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:06.040 that brought hip hop into hyper speed. So not since 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:10.760 rock Kim have I seen one person literally make everyone 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:15.400 change their rhyming style. I mean even even uh On 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.440 can't trust it. Chuck Deeven caught a little glimpse of it. 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.039 You know, don't be dumb, thinking dumb. 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:27.080 And yeah, yeah, the thing that I have grips with 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:31.080 is like they changed the game and then we just 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.200 disposed of them like it never happened. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.720 And I always wanted to know did they feel a 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.560 certain way about that, or the ep m D organization 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.000 feel a certain way about that. I didn't see that 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:47.040 as a fad or a trend. I saw it as 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.520 like really intricate rhyme and I mean, fu jay Z 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.880 came into the game with original flavor, with that tikeny 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:54.640 tongue twisting. 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:59.159 He stuttered, I don't know if you want to go 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.800 back to only common sense, go back to Thomson was 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.120 a big DOTS Effects fan totally. 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:09.200 Oh we all were dude right, right, But why. 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.320 Weren't they able to keep the momentum up? And yeah, look, 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.039 I love what Premo did with them with the real 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.279 hip hop, but I almost felt like we took from 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.839 them and just threw them away right and just never 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:20.400 gave them. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.000 Yeah, I think that the pre Rock and the Premo 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.039 Records really kept their stuff going because it could have 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.680 got worse where they could have not made no records 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:33.000 after that, But that Primo was huge for them to 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.720 at least stay somewhat alive. But I think that once 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.600 the his part broke up, I think it tanged stuff 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.360 because that's like told me one time, you're ed, why 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.920 did you leave us? I said, I left y'all because 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.560 y y'all went with Paris, so I figured that's where 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.719 y'all wanted to be at. So I think that the 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.320 breakup messed a lot of things up on that side. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:52.800 Okay, let's get into it. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:58.480 So right now I'm speaking to you from my dressing 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:02.599 room at the Tonight Show. I happened to know that 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:10.159 EPMD and dis Effects did microphone checka on The Tonight 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.760 Show with Jay Leno when Jay Leno finally took over 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:20.160 for Johnny Carson in nineteen ninety two. Obviously, the producers like, yo, 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:24.040 the first thing we gotta do is start getting on 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.599 our sinios act because our senior was like way ahead 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.200 of the game, like our Senio changed the. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.880 Game and made the old guard leave. You know what 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:34.279 I mean. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.920 I believe in jay Leno's first week Night number three 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.960 because even though it was our Senio head, I wanted 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.479 to see what jay Leno was about to do. And yo, 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.960 y'all did Humming coming at you on the Tonight Show. 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:48.720 I did not know that was a part of that 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.000 politic thing you're saying just now. 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:52.320 I was I thirty. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.520 There were no hip hop acts. Y'all were the first 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.480 hip hop act on the Tonight Show. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.839 I did not know that, yes, And I know that. 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.400 They were trying to cut into our seniors ratings and 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.440 it worked because I was like, oh, epmds on the 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.520 Tonight Show doing humber coming action. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.040 But but I was and let me tell the politics 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.320 on that, because I'm like, Dag, we have Coursover and 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.120 we got a headbanger, and we got were all these 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:22.240 other songs. But Doctor pres was so big, yes, that 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.640 they was like, let's put these two together and do 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.680 it like this, you know, for the purpose of it. 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.640 Because I'm glad group and Doctor Prex was the new pop. 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:35.920 I gotta say pop because they cost. 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.280 You see that new thing that's out right now with 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:42.000 them at the beach with about eighty thousand people doing 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:42.880 they want effects. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.240 Yes, I was like yes on social media, Yo, what 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:46.920 the hell? 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.560 I'm so glad that came out so people get know, 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.840 so people can know, so people can know. 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:54.440 Was it the hit Squad first before it was the. 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.160 Depth Squad first? Yeah? 0:07:56.320 --> 0:08:00.280 Okay, So how did y'all come into to Reggie's strateg. 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.200 Yeah, well, we did the show in New New Jersey 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.040 called Club Sensations, And if people know about Club Sensation, 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.040 you just can't go there. They're gonna rob every they 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.160 gonna disrespect you. Just don't go and perform that Club Sensation. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:14.000 I don't care who you are. 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:15.520 That was another Latin quarter. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:17.080 Now it was a small club. 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:21.160 But but yeah, but and not mean oh yes, yes definitely, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.880 or the Apollo or whatever you want to say. So anyway, 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:28.120 that night, Do it All from Lords of the Underground 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:32.280 comes in my dressing room and he starts rapping, and 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.640 Do it All is dope too from whatever. 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:35.760 So he wasn't lost the Underground yet. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.959 He was just Do it All, you know, trying to 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.760 get on and then he says, oh my DJ rap too, 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.959 and his DJ was Redman really. I heard Redman rhyme 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.720 that night, and I put Regie on stage that night. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:50.960 Didn't even know him. 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.480 I was so impressed by his metaphause I put him 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.679 on stage that night. And plus also to be like, 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.960 YO were in this place, I'm gonna put somebody on 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:03.920 from out here so we can. He's saying so, and 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.240 that's how y'all meant, And God damn. And then I 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.400 gave Reggie my phone number, but he didn't write it down. 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.320 He said it took him two weeks to memorize. Reggie 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.400 memorized my number and called me two weeks. 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:17.839 Damn. 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.120 He said he was writing down the number, writing down, 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:21.200 writing down to whatever. 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.720 He kept trying, kept trying. Now, what type of determination. 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.600 Is that they talk about? K Solo? 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.240 Na speaks about K Solo. Michael Bimins speaks about K Solo. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.520 Now speaks about Kevin, saying that Kevin was was before 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.160 his time, his story telling, the way that he put 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.760 it together, the way that he would use third party, 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:41.960 like you, it wasn't me. The rhyme did it, so 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.040 nobody was doing that before so, but Kevin was. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.600 I told you it was already Parish's friend. Don't forget. 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.040 He was in that group before with Parish, So that's 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:50.800 how I met Kevin. 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:55.520 Got it okay, okay, yeah, man, the whole Telworm name. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.880 Ship, Yeah yeah, tells the crack side. 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.119 I was say, tells the crack side. So like, yeah, 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:04.800 drums and death, honest. 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:06.120 Yeah. 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.200 Did you do any production on that record? Yeah? The 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.120 spell Bounce Okay, of course the. 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.440 First single I had to get done because they were 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.360 trying to figure out what to go with. So I 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.760 was in there with power Play with Doc and Doc 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.840 had the SB twelve hundred. I'm like, listen, let me 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.199 show you this to program these drums and that. 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.320 Don't forget if you listen to when. 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.880 I did If You Love Me by Brownstone, the bottom 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:31.959 drums is spell Bound. 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.720 Uh you know? Yeah that's so yeah. 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.360 I know what happens after the fade. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:43.360 It's the same that like kept going on you right now, California, 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.960 kd K made that. I don't know what was with 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.360 that record that made K and l A loved that 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:56.800 song so much. That record was played in LA on 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:02.000 that station like it was no Tomorrow. It was something 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.599 about that record. I can't I still can't explain it. 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:06.079 Greg. 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.560 Yes, I gotta say something about Craig Matt real quick 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:15.120 too too. I'm gonna say somebody crank Matt said. I 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:16.800 got to go back to when we when we claim 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.760 the records, when I first heard rock Camp. Every weekend, 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.199 Craig Matt's mother would drop him off to my grandmother's 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.400 house and me and Craig was sitting in the living 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.000 room and check out the new records. I heard publicating 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.679 number one with Craig and I heard Nobody Beat the 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:36.000 Biz with Craig Mac at Grandma's house. Really, yes, that's 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.480 a weird story. People like you used to hang out 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.240 with Craig. Yeah, that was my boy. 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.400 How did Hurricane G getting the squad? 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.600 Was my baby mother? So I know. 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.240 A remether as a girl. I met in the club 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.920 with Llo coo J. Llo Coo J was was dancing 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.160 with her. After after he stopped dancing, I went over 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.640 there and talked to her. So so after that then 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:58.600 so then? 0:11:58.720 --> 0:11:59.760 But was she always that? 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.280 Like she was Cardi B for Cardi B. Was Cardi 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:13.240 B exactly? Tone loud right, but she was already rhyming too. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.720 I was like, are you guys? Said yeah, rhyme And 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.880 then Redman took a whole tour and then they became 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.920 sister and brother. So that's what the whole thing of 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.080 her being in the squad. And then when I went 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.480 to stretch on Barbtos and gave him that milky song, 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.400 they it blew up with them. I'm like, it's a 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:37.040 demo that she had. So but when I did tonight tonight, 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.080 I wasn't in the session when they was recording, Gloria 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.880 went with Reggie and my cousin Jamel, so you hit 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:49.000 that the snap background the records, so they was all 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.640 three in there. So whatever happened, Redman didn't want to 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.959 be soft and be like Mike check I can get 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.520 smooth to any group, but let so he stopped it. 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:58.520 So I guess they came up with that whole thing. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.160 I was like to take credit for that, but it 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:06.199 wasn't me, it was them. 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.839 All Right, I'm gonna ask you the million dollar question 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:14.200 that I never ever got a satisfactory answer belt And 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:18.800 when I interviewed John Schecter, I've collected almost every copy 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.720 of the Source magazine. Okay, but you gotta tell me 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:29.080 why and how did EPMD break up the first time? 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.960 Yeah, the first time again? It was the breakup. It 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:38.280 was the home invasion. So the home in bad was real. 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.280 The home invasion that went down was real. So but 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:42.560 again it was blamed on me. 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.880 So after you know, you know, if you watch Beef two, 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:48.439 the stories out there, they blamed. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:48.800 It on me. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:50.360 I didn't see that. 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.880 Okay, they had the witnesses and the whole non. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.160 So after a while, like, at what point was it 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:58.200 ever just like, Okay, you just show up and do 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.520 shows together, y'all friends this whole time. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:02.400 Or is it like. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.360 You're a five year breakup? 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.520 Well I know that, but I'm saying something leads to 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.520 a breakup, is a miscommunication? 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:11.920 Is it? 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.040 Like that was the breakup? 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.560 So if somebody that I robbed them, so that's a breakup, 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:18.880 was in your house and tied niggas up in the whole, 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:19.880 not that's a breakup. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:25.280 So he literally believed that you orchestrated a breakup or 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:25.960 a break in. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.880 Yes, and you went on a record to say that 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.560 was not you, right. 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:31.520 But it didn't matter. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.680 No, everybody when you got same to rock Kim shit 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.960 smacked me and I smack you back. Once people are 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.640 already saying this is what it is, and you believe, 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.800 and they giving you all types of things. You believe 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.000 that this is true. So five years of that went. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:46.000 That's how it happened. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.920 It was just like that legacy down the dream, like 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:50.160 they came and. 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.080 Got me once, they come and get you, and you 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.320 get arrested as old they're coming back from that, and. 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:56.240 You got arrested for that. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.360 Yeah, I went, yeah, I toldally, they picked me up. 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.360 I'm in the arc about this. That's the thing. 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.360 Like I read a sore story like back in ninety 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:05.520 three or whatever. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.760 But I don't know, man, It's just like. 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:09.520 They picked me up. They picked me up, and I 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:10.400 fled to Atlanta. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.320 So that's how you wound up in Atlanta, right. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.200 I remember you telling me a story about like you 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.360 called Dallas Austin and he gave you a look. 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.440 I called that. 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.840 My boy hooked me up with Dallas and brught me 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.520 to Dark Studios and I met Dallas and Dallas like, yo, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:27.000 you could have studio beat. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:28.920 I didn't know who that. I didn't know who he was. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:30.320 My boy Greg knew him. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.720 Okay, So why did you choose Atlanta? 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:34.560 Because I went there before. 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.840 I liked it, Okay. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.080 So and my grandmother was there, My aunts were there, 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:41.240 so I had family there too. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.840 But for you to leave New York, like, was that 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.040 a heartbreak or you know I had to leave. He's 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.080 even that to go to jail. So I was, I 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.960 trust so you were on the run, right. I didn't realize. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:56.880 I thought you just like, hey, man, I gotta get 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:57.480 out of New York. 0:15:57.960 --> 0:15:59.400 Shit. I did not know that. 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.880 Yo, that's why you got You got to watch it 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:04.920 and the guy was like, yo, they at the end 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.240 of the day, they really believed it. So I told 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.520 my mother, I said, my I should go to Georgia. 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.280 I don't want to just sit around here and just wait. 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:13.920 So I left something you're not supposed to do. 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.240 I did anyway, And so you're making no pressure while 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.280 everyone's looking for you. 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.440 No, I made that when I got there, like later on, 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.560 like like when Russell called me and said no, first 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.160 I got to call from Puffy to make a record 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.200 for Who's the Man. That's when I made Hitting Switches 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:34.000 my first single. After Russell heard that, Russell was like, Yo, 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:34.360 you want to. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.840 Make an album it switches. I forgot that with that 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.120 into with the beat box, right. 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.600 So then when Russell came Russell said, you want to 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.600 make an album. I said, yeah, sure, because you knew 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.280 that the group wasn't getting back together. So I made 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:51.280 the album. I spent new years in the studio by 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.400 myself at Dark so I was just happy just to 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.520 be there without having that pressure on me. 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:00.960 So then I started making the album. Afterwards, no pressure 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:01.800 got it. 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.119 So I mean, at the time, when you're making this, 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.200 what's your thoughts about what a solo Eric sermon? 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:09.360 The album sounds. 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.560 Like, Oh, I wasn't even worried about dang a lot 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.720 of you. I knew what I was. I knew that 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.240 I knew how to make I was making the beats. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.680 I knew that, you know, Red Men had success. I 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.240 knew that Keith Murray was coming, you know, like I 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.160 knew like I had things. So I wasn't really worried 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:26.919 about what the people are going to say. Because again, 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.800 he wasn't worried about selling records or seeing who was 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.760 the top person or who was out or what was coming. 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.000 Even though the chronic had came, everything was out there came. 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.320 I was so comfortable and so relaxed. I really didn't care. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.040 I just was making it. Because Russell asked me to 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:43.400 make an album, so I did it. 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.959 I wasn't worrying about people asked me what it's going 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:50.080 to sound like or not or mad because EPMD broke up. 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.520 I was just doing what I thought. As long as 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:53.959 it was hip hop, I was okay. 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.240 And once Hitting Switches came out and I went home 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.000 and DJ Twrimmer was like, Eric, you were on fire 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.640 out here, and I was like, for real, It's like yo, 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:04.639 his switch is doing fire. 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.040 So that was it so I needed. 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.840 Even though I like Stay Real, My join was Eric sermon, 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.880 that whole bit I want to know if you want 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:15.919 to know you that to me? 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.680 That song like yeah, ah. 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:22.800 You know what's the buck down to I was those 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:26.000 songs I had that first when Redman told me to 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.080 turn and I made Hitting Switches. I had those songs 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.720 before that, but I thought that was more Eric's sermon 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.120 because the hey ever I was doing on so. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:37.880 I was trying to make sure that. 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.679 I kept it, and all Stay Will was was a 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:44.040 new crossover. It's the same subject, you know, So I 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:46.960 was trying to keep it into play to where even 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:50.439 though his Hitting Switches was so hard, even though I 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.600 wasn't a West Coast person, I was doing the hitting 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:58.440 switches as the off is on, but not knowing that 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.240 the West Coast took it for this, I'm doing this, 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.760 So I'm like, okay, because now they're thinking I'm I'm 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.880 hitting switches, but I'm really talking about off and on 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:07.960 is on? 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.360 Right, I see so, but they felt you were talking 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:15.480 about Yeah, yo, did I hear correct? Did you open 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.400 up a car business in Atlanta? 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:19.160 Yeah? 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.040 The rim shot. The rim shot was the biggest thing 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.760 happened at the time, you know, And that's how everybody 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.880 got this. See that room shop was so huge that 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.919 once it came out and stay real video and people 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.800 saw it. So don't forget. I was doing Shaquille in 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.760 the shop. I was doing Jam and Rose in the shop, 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:41.080 Chris Webber. So then I would Jake, Dave Justice would 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:42.800