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Speaker 1: Super Bowl Week, Megatron, Calvin Johnson and why he's never

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Speaker 1: seen a quarterback like Matt Stafford, the one and only

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Speaker 1: coach oh on recruiting Joe Burrow to LSU, and why

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Speaker 1: Burrows as smartest player he's ever been around. Eli Manning

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Speaker 1: was Super Bowl Insight and Chad Millman with the best

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl Bats. But first, my top takes of the week.

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Speaker 1: So I was thinking about this Super Bowl being at

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Speaker 1: Sofi Stadium, and years and years ago, I had a

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Speaker 1: lunch with an NBA executive and it was during a

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Speaker 1: very wokey time in America, and he was talking about

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Speaker 1: how the NBA was really connecting and I warned him

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Speaker 1: that I thought they were connecting to Twitter, not like

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Speaker 1: the real world. Twenty three percent of the country's on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: six percent or super users. That's not the real world.

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Speaker 1: On Twitter, nobody likes me in real life. I see

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Speaker 1: my ratings. A lot of people like me, so Twitter

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Speaker 1: is not real life. But he was going on and

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Speaker 1: on about how the NBA was the future of sports

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Speaker 1: actually think the NFL is underachieved over the last fifty years.

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Speaker 1: I said, they've embraced places like Buffalo and Green Bay

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Speaker 1: not dynamic, vibrant, or going to be a centerpiece for

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Speaker 1: the next fifty years of America's economy. And so Jerry

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Speaker 1: Jones of the Cowboys saw this years and years ago.

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Speaker 1: The story goes that many people inside the NFL were

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Speaker 1: watching the SP's and they were seeing Peyton Manning host

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Speaker 1: it and Jamie Fox host it and all those pro

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Speaker 1: athletes in the crowd, and many in the NFL said,

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Speaker 1: we're in the entertainment business. Is Buffalo? Is Tampa? Is

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Speaker 1: Green Bay? Is that the entertainment business? Jacksonville? And that's

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Speaker 1: not to say that there aren't redeeming qualities about Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: It's a banking center in the South or Seattle. Although

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Speaker 1: But what you're watching with this Super Bowl is the

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Speaker 1: future of the NFL. A lot of cryptoads and gambling

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Speaker 1: ads and Sean McVay coaching tree and offense and quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, the entertainment capital of North America. And

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Speaker 1: I've felt this for some time. What you're seeing over

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Speaker 1: going to be going forward. Dumb coaches are done, Young

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Speaker 1: the new economy, and Los Angeles has to be part

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Speaker 1: imagine any franchise business not being in Los Angeles. It's

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Speaker 1: When most of the economy went into the tank. The

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Speaker 1: state of California had a seventy billion dollar surplus. Forty

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Speaker 1: big check. Now, if you watch news networks and listen

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Speaker 1: live in California. As people in football have more mobility,

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Speaker 1: What does that tell you? The big city of New York,

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Speaker 1: me glamour doesn't work. The Dallas Cowboys remain the number

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Speaker 1: When you add the playoff success, winning on the road

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Speaker 1: The NBA is so star driven that reporters don't want

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Speaker 1: incredibly high level. We're harsh when they fail. If Aaron

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Speaker 1: besides the brain power athletically, what is it that makes

424
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Speaker 1: him so special? Well, it's his indegible its guts, work, ethic,

425
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Speaker 1: his focus, all those things. And I'm talking about all

426
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Speaker 1: the charge with Joe Barrow. You know what, he's there

427
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: the same day. Now, he's a little bit more athletic

428
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Speaker 1: than you think. When he first came, I was said,

429
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Speaker 1: well he does girtleball or stronger? I thought he would,

430
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But he's so smart and

431
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: he knows what to do with the football, and he

432
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: could extend plays with his seat, and he's tough. The

433
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: guy could take a hit. You hit him. The other

434
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and not all quarterback you hit him, you know

435
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: that they might want to get out the game a

436
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: little bit joint. Joe's like a linebacker. You hit him,

437
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: he gets fisted and he wants to go for so

438
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: the year before you won the national title. Ohio kid

439
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: comes down there. You were a good team. I remember

440
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: he got he played a game against somebody and he

441
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: got kind of the ship kicked out of him. Maybe

442
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: had been Auburn. He got hit, went out, came back.

443
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: Was there a moment in the year before he left.

444
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Speaker 1: Was there a moment when you felt it all coming

445
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: together and said, okay, I mean, because it's obvious coach

446
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: Ohio to Lsu, it's a wholly different world. Was there?

447
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Speaker 1: Did you have a moment the junior year that you said, guys,

448
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: this is at Yeah. First of all, we played charged

449
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: a number two teams in the country and we beat

450
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: a pretty good and we went for four. We went

451
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: on four down to one five times. Joe wrest some

452
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: quarterbacks leagues. He made some great plays. That was a

453
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: big win for US. Okay, now that started the momentum

454
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: right there. But we played in the Fiesta Bowl and

455
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow took a hit. It was a blind side here.

456
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: I called for Miles Burn to get in and Joe

457
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: is on the ground and Joe gets up and he says,

458
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Speaker 1: have that, coach, I'm not coming up. The game will

459
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: now full down fourteen points. He stays in the game.

460
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: We scored. The next three series, we beat UCF and

461
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Speaker 1: win ten games, which was which was a momentum for

462
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Speaker 1: a file football team. I remember when I was Pete

463
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Speaker 1: Carroll when we won ten game and went to the

464
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Speaker 1: Orange Bowl. Yes, it reminded me of that year. I said,

465
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Speaker 1: you know what, we've got us a team now, maybe

466
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Speaker 1: next year we can win him. If you took your

467
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: best USC team and your National Championship LSU team, what

468
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: would the game look like? It would be one heck

469
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: of a game. It would be one heck of a game.

470
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The USA has a great team,

471
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Speaker 1: Reggie Bush and Matt Lener, and the defense we had,

472
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Speaker 1: and the defense and the play the players that we

473
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Speaker 1: had an l shoe it would be one heck of

474
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: a game. You know, Iowa's point to the linebacking crew

475
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Speaker 1: you had that Clay Matthews couldn't start. Remember you had

476
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: Maluga rivers A Cushing, You're and then Clay Matthews couldn't start.

477
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: He goes to the NFL and wins NFL Defensive Rookie

478
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Speaker 1: of the Year. Clay Matthews a walk on. I got

479
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: him to walk home. Pete Carroll called me when I

480
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: was at Old Missus a coach, you don't complete this. Matthews. Guys,

481
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: he's grown. I think he's a big heck of a player.

482
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: And his brother came with us, and his brother was

483
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: very big, great young man. I think he's having a

484
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Speaker 1: lot of success. But I was involved in that. I

485
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: couldn't believe the way that Clay grew up and what

486
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: a great play was. That's usc Pete Carroll did a

487
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: great job of recruiting. The guy knew what he was.

488
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: What did you learn from Pete? A lot of stuff

489
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: to compete to wake up. He had positive attitude, the

490
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: energy that he had come on heading to the school.

491
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: We'd hit fourteen schools and Los Angeles. We were rolling

492
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: man and he didn't stop every every day. Pete Carroll

493
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: was the same. But the one thing that I don't

494
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: know if people really noticed about he's a disciminarian. He

495
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: don't put up nothing. Now you know, he's the happy,

496
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: go lucky guy. He makes everybody feel good. But when

497
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: we went watched the tape, every every time we had practice,

498
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: coach of mcgoe, he had media. He'd come back and

499
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: that table was on boy viewer player didn't do the

500
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: right thing. You felt like he made you feel de smaal,

501
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: not in a way of of yelling screaming, but you

502
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: felt like you were loyal to Pete, that you didn't

503
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: want to let him out, and he tried to fix everything.

504
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: His team's got better as the season went along because

505
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: his knowledge of football. You know, your career is pretty amazing.

506
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: You were with Jimmy Johnson when you were very early,

507
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: and Jimmy tells great stories about you. I mean he

508
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: really does. He tells fascinating stories. If I said to you,

509
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: give me something about Jimmy you talked about Pete. Give

510
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: me something about Jimmy Johnson that he taught you. Let

511
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: me say this to you. The first day that I

512
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: walcome a football field the University of Miami, I learned

513
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: how to coach. That was it, I felt it. I

514
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: saw it one of the greatest, the greatest on the

515
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: field coach him and his staff that I ever seen.

516
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: Those practices at the University of Miami. What excellent those

517
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: players practice hard, those coaches coach hard. I just loved

518
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: the intensity. I'd never been around anything like that in

519
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: my life. The first day I've hearn the coach of

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00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johson. I love being with him every day. He

521
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: was so smart, he was so inten. We was like

522
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 1: getting a shotgun office. And coach would go work out

523
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: and everybody go work out. He'd have his hair effixing,

524
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: his hair effix obviously, and he walked in would be

525
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: ready for practice. And if coach would walk down, you

526
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: can see him walking down the hall, and if he'd

527
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: be spotted in a good mood, you keep on walking.

528
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: But boy, if he had that look in the face, man,

529
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: I took that first door I could. I didn't want

530
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: to pass him at all. But you he had that

531
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: the sigment about him that everybody followed and everybody respected,

532
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: and you didn't want to You didn't want to upset Jimmy,

533
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: just like people. I was gonna say, what you're talking

534
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: about with both of them is sort of a presidents.

535
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: You could sense it when they walked into a room.

536
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: You could feel it. Yes, no question, hold and they

537
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: will both The boss wanted you wanted to be part

538
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: of it. You wanted to be at work. You know

539
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: you was getting better, you knew your teams were going

540
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: to win. You sort a confidence in them every day.

541
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: And then the work that they did on a daily

542
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: basis every day is where I'll learned how to be

543
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: at gold all right, There's very few people. I've done

544
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: a couple events with Eli Manning, very few people that

545
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: have achieved as much as Eli Manning but are still

546
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: humble and based on family and all the things that matter.

547
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 1: Eli Manning, two time Super Bowl MVP, four time Pro

548
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: Bowl or number one overall pick all right, super Bowl week,

549
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: Let's cut to the chase. Are elim You, your brother,

550
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: your family, your father. Cooper Vows told me this about you,

551
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: not that you were disengaged, but you weren't affected by

552
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: things the rest of the family was. You were always

553
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: sort of in your own head. So that leads me

554
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: to believe. And I said this before about you. I

555
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: always thought you were better in the two minute drill

556
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: than out of it. I think you made your two

557
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: best throws in your career shortainly the Mario Manningham one qualifies.

558
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: But with that said, that's in game. Did you get

559
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: a little nervous or anxious coming out for the anthem

560
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: and that sort of stuff pregame? I mean, I think

561
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: there's definitely you get the butterflies and you get you know,

562
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: a little excited, and I think that's a you know,

563
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: I was always kind of learned that that's a good thing.

564
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: When you're nervous about something, that means you care about it,

565
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: like you want to do well. Your means you're prepared,

566
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: You've given a lot of effort to it, You've worked hard,

567
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: and you want to go and win. And it means

568
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: something too, So to have the butterflies, I'm here telling

569
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, I tell the teammates that's normal, that's a

570
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: good thing. It means you care, and then you want

571
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: to go out there and play well, so embrace it.

572
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: And you know in those situations, so like once you're

573
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: playing the game that usually those go away. But it's yeah,

574
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: like you said, it's a coin toss. It's the pregame

575
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: where you have this kind of nervous excitement. I watched

576
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: your Mario Manningham throw this morning because I knew I

577
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: was going to talk to you. It's just a ridiculous throw.

578
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I could argue Eli David Tyree, there's a

579
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: there's a bit of luck on certain catches. I don't know, Yeah,

580
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: maybe maybe, but Manningham is a freaking dime. Did you

581
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: look at it afterwards and think, is that the best

582
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: throw I've ever made? Um? It was tight, it was

583
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: it was a little it was a little tight, it

584
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: was a little risky, and I think that's kind of

585
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: you know what makes it unique? And say it's you know,

586
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: when you get into a super Bowl, it's the most

587
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: important throw of your life and the most important drive

588
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: that you can have, and you can step up and

589
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: make a throw that's like it's covered to a whole

590
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: throw to a guy where if you throw it a

591
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: yard inside, it's probably getting intercepted by a safety. But

592
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: you're put in a spot where, hey, your receiver can

593
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: catch it or no one else you and you trust

594
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: your guy that they're going to make a play. And really,

595
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: what Mario does I mean the fact that it's over

596
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: the outside shoulder. You can't see the ball hit his

597
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: hands because outside shoulder they stay. I gotta keep my

598
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: two feet in bounds and take a hit from a

599
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: safety and to hold onto it was remarkable. So, uh,

600
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, it just changed that whole drive. We're backed

601
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: up at our own ten and now we're at the

602
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: fifty yard line. Now we're kind of control of the game.

603
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: We got time, We can run the ball. We have

604
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: plenty of time to make that drive and the score

605
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: and not give Tom Brady too much time on the clock.

606
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: You had two super Bowls, Ram Second super Bowl Vermont Bay.

607
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: Anything in the second super Bowl you took from the first.

608
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: It could have been in prep, pregame halftime that you took,

609
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: and it helped you in the second one. You know,

610
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you just learned how to kind of

611
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: manage manage that week. And you know it's when you

612
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl. The last twenty weeks, you've

613
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: been doing the same thing every single day. You know,

614
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: your Wednesdays are same, You're at home, you know, get

615
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: a massage on a certain day. You maybe go to

616
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: dinner with your wife, or you go out to dinner

617
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: with your teammates. One day. It's all the same. You're

618
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: getting that perfect routine. And now before the biggest game

619
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: of your life, you're in a different city all week,

620
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: you're taking buses to practice, you're in a hotel. You

621
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: don't have your normal routine. So I think it's trying

622
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: to keep that same routine and say hey, you know,

623
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: planning ahead, saying I gotta I want to get you know,

624
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: stretched out in massage on Wednesday after practice, or Hey,

625
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: let's go to dinner and get a reservation at a

626
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: new spot. What spot am I going to go to? Uh?

627
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: In Indianapolis? And so I think it's just kind of

628
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: having a better way to plan and to kind of

629
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: tell the other guys around you, the young guys, to

630
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: go ahead and start planning as well, because you've been

631
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 1: there and you know what to expect. Think about your

632
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: second year in the league. Is it remarkable to you

633
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow got in here? You know, I think

634
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: he's he I was impressed with Joe last year just

635
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: having you know, watching him play as a rookie. You know,

636
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: there's a couple of games where he's throwing at thirty

637
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: forty fifty times a game. He's got a bad offensive

638
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: line last year, but he was still you know, a

639
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: lot of completions, he was scrambling at times, he was

640
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: buying time, he wasn't throwing a lot of interceptions. You know,

641
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: he wasn't making a lot of mistakes and forcing things.

642
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: And so I thought he played great last year and

643
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: this year kind of the same thing, especially throughout the playoffs.

644
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: Two minute drives, you know, playing tough, getting sacked nine

645
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: times in one game, but just hanging in there, not

646
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: causing you to force a throw or throw it too early.

647
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: And so he just kind of has that that it

648
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: factor that he steps up and makes, you know, makes

649
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: critical plays and great plays at the right time. I mean,

650
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: you were a multiple year starter at all miss. He

651
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: was a two year starter at LSU by your second

652
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: year in the league. He's he's had a couple of

653
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: scrappy games Jets Bears, But were there times, I mean,

654
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: would you have been ready because you were often a

655
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: better quarterback in the two minute drill, playoffs and on

656
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: the road. It's really remarkable about your career, but a

657
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: year two, can you even imagine leading a team on

658
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: the road playoff games or were you still in that

659
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: sort of Man, I'm a little over my skis on

660
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: some of these games. You know, I think you don't

661
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: see young quarterbacks kind of their first time in the

662
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: playoffs going in there and winning, you know, winning one

663
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: playoff game, let alone multiple. It's just because it is different.

664
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: You're playing against better teams and everybody's you know, up

665
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: to the challenge, and so you know, my my first one,

666
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: I say a year we went eleven and five, We

667
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: won the NFCS and we get to the playoffs and

668
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: we get blown out by by Carolina and so you know,

669
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: I threw a bunch of interceptions. There was just a

670
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: terrible game. It took, you know. You know, Peyton was

671
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: in the playoffs a number of times. Matthew Stafford, like

672
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: a lot of good quarterbacks, that first playoff experience, they

673
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: don't do great, you know. And here's Joe Burrow in

674
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: his second year, went in three playoff games on the road.

675
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: And I think the fact that you know, he has

676
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: kind of gone through a playoff scenario in college and

677
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: he did at LSU, I think that doesn't help. I mean,

678
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: you had to go and beat some teams, you had

679
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: to play in an SEC championship, you had to go

680
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: on the row, you had to you know, and kind

681
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: of go through that playoff scenario. I think gives you

682
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: a little bit more experience to handle this. It makes

683
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: him more prepared, you know, obj It's it's pretty impressive

684
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: mid season go to another team, completely different offense, new quarterback.

685
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: Are you kind of surprised how quickly and seamlessly it worked,

686
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: you know? I think, um, I mean obviously. You know

687
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: odell Is is extremely talented. He works hard, he's fast,

688
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: he catches the ball well, and I think they just

689
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: are using him so so well. They've been smart since

690
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: the get go of not overloading him. I think the

691
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: fact that you have Cooper Cup and he's gonna be

692
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: your workhorse and we're gonna move him all around. He's

693
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: gonna be in the backfield, he's gonna be in the slot,

694
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 1: he's gonna be out wide where O'Dell You're kind of like, hey,

695
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna be out wide. You're gonna you know, went

696
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: on slant routes, you know, went on glance routes, you know,

697
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: went on comebacks, and you're run by people run a

698
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: post and an inbreaking route, you know, routes that you've

699
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: run a million times. You know where to go. We're

700
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: not going to move you around too much, and so

701
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: you can just go play fast and when you get

702
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: one on one, go beat the corner. And he can

703
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: do that. That's what he can do. And so I

704
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: think they're using him well. Um, and you can see it.

705
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: You know this. The timing is getting better with Stafford

706
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: and him on the same page. You know, the balls

707
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: coming out anticipating, you know, Stafford's anticipating a little bit

708
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: more on on when he can make those throws and

709
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: let him go go, you know, go get it. So

710
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: I've been impressed and obviously you know he's playing well.

711
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: Happy for him to be in the Super Bowl. Listen,

712
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: you were lucky that you got Tom Coughlin at the

713
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: beginning of your career. Really one of the smartest guys.

714
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: Youa lot of stability in the organization, which the Giants

715
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: have not had in your last couple of years and

716
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: since you left. Um, Stafford had stability in high school

717
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: Georgia and the Rams he went thirteen years. I mean, Eli,

718
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches, a lot of coordinators, a lot

719
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: of different offensive lines. Um, I mean you've had a

720
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: couple of years when there was instability when you got

721
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: a new coach. How hard is that? Yeah, I mean

722
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: it can be. It can be tough. And obviously what

723
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: he's uh, you know, had to endure and the fact

724
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: that he's you know, uh, you know, you know, the

725
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: stayed with him, you know, always a great guy, didn't

726
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: blame anybody, didn't throw anybody in the bus. It's kept

727
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: working hard and then you never know, all of a sudden,

728
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: you get a trade and you know you're you're in

729
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: LA and you're you know, they basically bring you there saying, hey,

730
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: you're here to bring us a championship. That's why you're here.

731
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: A lot of pressure has been put on him. You

732
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: never won a playoff game, and so for him to

733
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: kind of step into this situation, I think there was

734
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure that first playoff game, you know,

735
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: saying hey, if I don't win a playoff game, like

736
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: this is a bust, and like who knows what what's

737
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: going to happen? So I think, you know, um, he's

738
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: played unbelievable through the playoffs. So happy, you know, no

739
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: Matthew alone time, and so happy that he's in this

740
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: opportunity in a super Bowl in his hometown, you know,

741
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: in LA with the Rams. So it should be a

742
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: great atmosphere for him. From Eli Manning to Chad Millman,

743
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: the chief content officer of the Action Network, all right,

744
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: let's start with the simple stuff. If it was four

745
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: and a half five, I probably take the Bengals. I

746
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: went and looked at the Bengals in the Rams scores.

747
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: Eighteen of the twenty Bengal games were close. They were

748
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 1: blown out by Cleveland and lost a lot of jump

749
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: balls and were kind of whacked at home with the Chargers,

750
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: but overwhelmingly they played good teams, very tight win or lose,

751
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: Green Bay, Tennessee, San Francisco. So it tells you that's

752
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: probably the side to be on. But I can't get

753
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: past this. They feel like the Bengals feel like a

754
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: sixth seed. In March Madness. They went a couple of

755
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: buzzer beat there's a clearly momentum, which is a powerful device,

756
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: but they're going to meet a number one seed. It's

757
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: going to feel like a one or two. They're not

758
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: going to be able to block the Rams front and

759
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: I feel like it's going to get ugly. And I

760
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: know it's square, but sometimes just don't you just like

761
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: a matchup. You're totally entitled to like the matchup if

762
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: that's where your head is at. It is not an

763
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: easy game to handicap. And I will tell you when

764
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: the line opened to three and a half and was

765
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: immediately bet to four by professional betters, that was showing

766
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: you that they liked the Rams a little bit. And

767
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: the professional betters have liked the Rams all year. They

768
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: liked them for Super Bowl futures, they liked them to

769
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: win their division, they like them to win the conference.

770
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: So by them betting at the three and a half,

771
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: you were basically seeing them back their opinion that had

772
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: been established all year long. So the first half of

773
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: the week, professional betters, we're betting on the Rams. But

774
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: then the number got to four and a half, and

775
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: then the professional betters came in on the Bengals and

776
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: you started to see the money even out a little bit.

777
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: So now you're basically getting the better as you see

778
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: where the line of demarcation is, for lack of a

779
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: better term, four and a half is where they definitively

780
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: like the Bengals. Three and a half is where they

781
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: definitively like the Rams. And at four it's a matchup game.

782
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: You like the Rams, I like the Bengals'. It's that opinion.

783
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: I think I'd take the under. I think the game

784
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: will be quick. The Bengals are proficient at running. The

785
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: Rams aren't necessarily the last two weeks because it's the

786
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: Niners and Bucks run defense, they were very proficient running

787
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: the ball against Arizona. I think the game shrinks. I

788
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: think there's more running than we think. I think it's

789
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: a quick game. I think it's mostly well played. I

790
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: don't think there are as many big plays over the

791
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: top because I think both secondaries are highly capable. So

792
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: I would take the under sharper square that is totally

793
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: sharp and opened at forty nine and a half. It

794
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: got bet down to forty eight and a half. It's

795
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: been sitting there, but that is the side that the

796
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: wise guys are betting. I do want to go back

797
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: to some of your calculus on the Bengals discounting the

798
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: close games they've played and saying that it feels like

799
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: a sixth seed in March Madness and that they're not

800
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: as good as what they're showing on the field. I

801
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: would say that would be true if they only did

802
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: it during the playoffs, but you set it yourself. Eighteen

803
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: of twenty games, the team keeps games close. And the

804
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: problem with betting against the Bengals in a spot like

805
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: this isn't because you think the Rams are going to

806
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: win the game. They are the better team. It's why

807
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: they're favored. They were a better team all year long.

808
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: They have the better quarterback, buy a percentage, they dominate

809
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: on the defensive line and the Bengals offensive line isn't

810
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: that great. So what happens is you get the Bengals

811
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: down big, and when the game gets closer to the end,

812
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: that's when the Bengals consistently find ways to use their

813
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: explosiveness to get into the end zone. So I'm not

814
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: betting because i think the Bengals are the better team.

815
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm betting because I think the Bengals are going to

816
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: be able to find a way to keep this game close,

817
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: either through sixty minutes or in the last three minutes.

818
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: Let's talk receiving yards. Odell Beckham over under sixty two

819
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: and a half, Jamar Chase seventy eight and a half,

820
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup one oh five. That's a big number for

821
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: Cup and he's terrific. But I do like the safety

822
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: play by the Bengals. I probably bet the under on

823
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. That's of the three that looks like the play.

824
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: Your thoughts, So the Cooper Cups specifically, I'm not going

825
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: to deflect. I'm going to give you my thoughts, but

826
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: the Cooper Cup receiving totals across the board are the

827
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: biggest liability the sports books have in this Super Bowl.

828
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: It's not a side, it's not a total. They have

829
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: been getting hammered from the second these props opened on

830
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup overs and I'm in that camp. I didn't

831
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: bet his over total receiving yards. I haven't bet his

832
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: over receptions, but I did bet Cooper Cup twenty eight

833
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: and a half for longest reception because he's so good

834
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: at yards after the catch, and the Bengals defensive secondary

835
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: the way they play defense, it allows for him to

836
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: be in matchups, to be in open space and find

837
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: opportunities to do that. So I think that the market

838
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: is getting priced out for a lot of the numbers

839
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: you just talked about for O'Dell, for Cooper Cup, for

840
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. What I do like a lot Te Higgins

841
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: over about sixty nine and a half receiving yards, Tyler

842
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: boyd Over. I forgot the new receptions, but I like

843
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: him over for receptions. I do think that you get

844
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: to the second and third tieer of receivers for the Bengals,

845
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Speaker 1: and I like that a lot because the Rams defensive

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Speaker 1: secondary is very bad covering. They play a lot of

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Speaker 1: zone and they leave a lot of open space and

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Speaker 1: row the field, which is what are those two guys

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Speaker 1: eat the volume