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Speaker 1: and welcome to the newest episode of teen Beat. I

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Speaker 1: am your adult host Danielle Fischel, podcaster, TV director, recent

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Speaker 1: ballroom competitor, mom of two, and a former child actor

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Speaker 1: who spent all of her teenage years in front of

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Speaker 1: the nineties TV show Boy Meets World. From my first

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Speaker 1: Friday night on your local ABIES affiliate, and now, more

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Speaker 1: Every week, I'm sitting with a celebrity, someone who has

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Speaker 1: the least they can do is share it with me. Now,

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Speaker 1: I gave you my childhood, it's time we hear yours.

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Speaker 1: And on this episode, as a teenager who spent most

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Speaker 1: My guest was raised in Eugene, Oregon, the youngest of

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Speaker 1: from that moment on, she'd dedicate her life to conservatism

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Speaker 1: my teen beat guest this week, the Pride of Australia,

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Speaker 1: Missus Terry Irwin. Terry, thank you so much for talking

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Speaker 1: to me. I really don't think there is a single

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Speaker 2: Well that's very kind because I was thinking, who wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Because this is really special. So thank you very much

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Speaker 1: Really, of course, you were truly one of the very

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Speaker 1: I love that. What were you like in high school?

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Speaker 1: Tell me about teenage, Terry. I like to think about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you date in high school? Did you ever

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Speaker 1: Oh man, you have been a workhorse your entire life.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so wonderful. So when do you create Cougar Country?

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Speaker 2: Cougar Country? Yes, intriguing? How the old cougar has so

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Speaker 2: I thought that was important to do because when I

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Speaker 2: I have my cougar to teach people. I have this

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00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: hobby of helping wildlife, and Cougar Country was born, so

436
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: it was any of the animals in Cougar Country, but

437
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: I primarily worked with predatory mammals, so that's Cougar's bears, bobcats, raccoons, foxes,

438
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: those kind of animals.

439
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, how big was your backyard?

440
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: It was big. I had to have two car garage

441
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 2: and I only had one car, so I decked out

442
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: part of that for animals, like critical care, and then

443
00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: I had areas throughout my My yard was just like

444
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: like doctor Doolittle's yard, you know. So I'd have areas

445
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 2: for different animals, and as they got well, I'd let

446
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: them go. And it was just such a passion for me.

447
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 2: And I remember one day I got a knock on

448
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: the door and it was Jehovah's Witness and they said

449
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 2: to me, can we talk to you about Jehovah? And

450
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: I was raised Christians, so I could verse to verse them.

451
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, I know the Bible back to front, baby,

452
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: but you want to come here in, I'll get you

453
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: a cup of tea and maybe you can help me

454
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: clean out animal enclosures and feed baby animals, and they

455
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: were like sure, so they would help me, and sometimes

456
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: they'd come see me and it would be pouring rain,

457
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: and pretty soon they stopped coming. So I thought, I'm

458
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: the one that the Jehovah's witnesses eventually shut the door on,

459
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: which I thought was pretty honey, Like, no, lady, you're

460
00:28:59,400 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: too much.

461
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: You know, we're we're good. We're not going back there.

462
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. We're good. Wow, that's a great story.

463
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that with me.

464
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: It was pretty funny.

465
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: What did you do to relax? Did you ever relax?

466
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: It seems to me like you're not much of the

467
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: relaxing type. But most people who have a thriving career

468
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: and many hobbies and stay as busy as you have

469
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: your entire life, feel the need to blow off some steam,

470
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: take a vacation. Where does Terry Irwin vacation? What do

471
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: you do to relax?

472
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: Well, what I used to love to do from the

473
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: age of about nineteen is I was able to save

474
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: enough money to be able to go to Florida a year.

475
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: So in that construction related business, January is very slow.

476
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: Not much road construction's going on all the trucking industry

477
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: slows down and I could slip away for a week

478
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: or so. So I would always go to Florida, and

479
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: I loved the wildlife there, So you know, whether I

480
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: was in Key West or the Tortugas, or you know,

481
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: Miami or Silver Springs with the manatees, it was just

482
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: a wonderland and so different than Oregon because it's always warm.

483
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: It's just a different climate. So for me, it was

484
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: so very special to be able to afford to do

485
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: that every year, and I just enjoyed going. And then

486
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: the irony as my life went forward was that my

487
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: life would be so involved with wildlife and working seven

488
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: days a week and my daughter marrying someone from Florida, Like,

489
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: it's just so bizarre how it seemed like my whole

490
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: young life was leading me towards what my whole life

491
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: was gonna be yes, and it was allowing that to happen.

492
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: Well, then this is a perfect segue into the most beautiful,

493
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: fateful trip in nineteen ninety one when you go to

494
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: Australia and you find yourself at Steve Irwin's Family Wildlife

495
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: Park and you see him and his crocodile demonstration as

496
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: a woman who has Cougar Country going on back home

497
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: and doctor Doolittle's backyard. Is this like the minute you

498
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: see him? Is this just like a dream come true?

499
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: Well it almost wasn't, is what's amazing. Guy was over

500
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: there with friends and we had gone to a barbecue

501
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: near where Steve's Wildlife Park was, and we'd had a

502
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: late night the night before, and I was really tired.

503
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: So while we're driving back to Brisbane, I was kind

504
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: of dozing in the back seat and the person driving

505
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: the car said, there's like a little wildlife park here.

506
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: Do you want to see it? And I go, you know,

507
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: sometimes those little wildlife parks are just really depressing. I

508
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: don't know if I want to see a bunch of

509
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: sad snakes and jars and I don't know. And he's like, oh,

510
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: that's cool. I just thought i'd check because I knew

511
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: you liked wildlife. And then I go, you know, I'm

512
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: never going to be here again, so I'll just duck

513
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: in and have a look. So he pulls over abruptly

514
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: because we were almost past it, and I paid my

515
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: six dollars and went in and it was very small,

516
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: like two acres, but very clean, and the kangaroos were

517
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: just wandering around, which was pretty new to me because

518
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: in America, any zoological facility, everything is enclosed, safely enclosed.

519
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: And so there's kangaroos and there's beautiful birds, and the

520
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: snakes all looked happy in nice areas. But it was

521
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: pretty tiny. And there was a guy doing a demonstration

522
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: with crocodile, so I went to watch and it was awesome,

523
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: and he said, at twelve o'clock, I'm doing another demonstration

524
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: in the environmental Park and it's another six dollars, but

525
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 2: it's an hour long thing, and I thought, I'm a

526
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: cashed up tourist, so I paid my extra six dollars

527
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: and there were probably twelve of us who ended up

528
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: going in to see this next demonstration. And the environmental

529
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: park is all these different crocodiles, little ones, alligators, freshwater crocodiles,

530
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: and the big salties and he's telling us about everything

531
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: and how if a crocodile's in danger of being shot

532
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 2: for coming close to people, he would go out and

533
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: rescue them and move them to another river system or

534
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: bring them back to his Queensland reptile and faun apart.

535
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: And I was like Wow, that's really incredible. So he's

536
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: explaining that with the smaller crocodiles, maybe seven foot or smaller,

537
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: he would go out at night with his boat and

538
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: he'd idle the boat in the dark, and he'd have

539
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: a spotlight and then he'd pick up the red eyeshine

540
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: of the crocodile. And as he idled in on it,

541
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 2: then it was living near a boat ramp. He knew

542
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 2: he had to move it, so he'd get close. He'd

543
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: slow down the boat and start drifting, and then as

544
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: he got close enough, he'd drop the spotlight and spear

545
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: into the water, grab the croc around the base of

546
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: the neck, go down to the bottom of the river,

547
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: tuck its tail between his legs, shoot up from the bottom,

548
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: flick into the boat, slip into the boat, and then

549
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: he'd have the crocodile. And I was thinking, who on

550
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: earth is this man? Exactly because he was telling the

551
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: story the way I would tell. And then I was

552
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: at the grocery store and I saw a sail on bread.

553
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: You know, did you hear what you just said, sir?

554
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: You know? And he was so passionate about wildlife. But

555
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: the other thing that impressed me was that old saying

556
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: where when you walk into the bar, you don't have

557
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: to ask who the tiger keeper is. He's gonna tell you.

558
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: Yep.

559
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: He wasn't like that at all. It wasn't about him

560
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: look how cool I am. It was about his deep

561
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 2: love and respect for these animals. He said, they're beautiful mothers,

562
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: They're affectionate to each other, They're just amazing. So I thought,

563
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say hi to this guy. And I think

564
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: that's about all I said was high. And he said

565
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: where are you from? And I go Oregon? And he

566
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: said what's your favorite animal? And I said my favorite

567
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: animal is a cougar? And he said why? And I

568
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: thought no one ever asked me why. They just go, oh,

569
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 2: a cougar, that's coolah, And I go, well, I think

570
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: it's because a cougar can kill something bigger than themselves

571
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: just with their mouth. And he looked at me all

572
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: dreamy and he said.

573
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: That's why I love crocodiles.

574
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: It was so cute. What I was like, boom, look

575
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: what we've got in common. Things that kill with their teeth.

576
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: Wow, we both love predatory animals who can kill with

577
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: their mouths. I do want you to know This story

578
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: seems very much like you should write the script for

579
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: a Hallmark movie. It has all the makings of a

580
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: very cute meet cute with a little bit of, you know,

581
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: a little bit of predatory animal behavior in there, which

582
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: is just adorable. So what happens like you make this

583
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: connection for both of you? He looked at you all dreamy.

584
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my gosh, we have so much in common.

585
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: Do you just cancel your flight home? What do you

586
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: do when you fall in love with a crocodile hunter abroad?

587
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was wild. We ended up talking all afternoons.

588
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: So this this demonstration was over about one o'clock and

589
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: the park closed at four. And at four o'clock I

590
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: could hear my friends honking the hole.

591
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: Get out of there.

592
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: I know, but you know, sometimes when you meet someone

593
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: in your kind of hubba hubba With Steve, I wanted

594
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: to build a campfire and hear stories right Like. It

595
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: wasn't like, WHOA, I love this incredibly sexy man. It

596
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: was I really like this guy. I don't know if

597
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: that makes sense.

598
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: But I totally understand level yes.

599
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: And I just want to talk to him forever. It

600
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 2: was so amazing and so I he. We exchanged phone

601
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: numbers and he goes, you know, if you're ever here again,

602
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: let me know, and I thought, sure, next time i'm

603
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: in Australia, I'll give you a call. So I left

604
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: and then my friends were going scuba diving, and God

605
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: gave me this gift of believing that people don't belong underwater.

606
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: So I said, I'm out.

607
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: I'm not going scuba diving. So then I had a

608
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: weekend free. So I called Steve and I said, I

609
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: have a weekend free, and he said, come back up

610
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: to the zoo. Well I knew his parents lived in

611
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: a house at the reptile Park, so I think he

612
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: can't kill me, you know, because his parents are there.

613
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: So I go back up and he very gentlemanly put

614
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: me up at the hotel just down the road and

615
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: then would come and pick me up in the morning

616
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: and bring me down to the park. And I just

617
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 2: worked for two days, just raking up kangaroo who prepping

618
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: food for the animals. It was heaven. I had the

619
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: best two days ever. And then he said, you know,

620
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: this has been really great, and I said, I'm going home,

621
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe our paths will cross again. So

622
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: I went home and I didn't hear anything, and a

623
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: week passed. Then I didn't hear anything, and two weeks passed,

624
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 2: and then I didn't hear anything. And by week three

625
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: I thought, I'm guessing I miss an understood what this was.

626
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: Yes, there must have been a misunderstanding.

627
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was like, well, I really had a

628
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: lot of fun and it was wonderful. But I don't

629
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: know why I'm like this. But I was like, I'm

630
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: not calling him right well, I want to talk to me,

631
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: you have to call me. Four weeks pass and he

632
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: calls and he said, I'm going to be there in

633
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: ten days ooo. And I thought, that's very presumptuous. How

634
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: do you know I haven't met someone else.

635
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: Exactly, it's been four whole weeks.

636
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: Four weeks, I mean this yummy snack exactly. I of

637
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: course hadn't because I was pretty hung up on him.

638
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're pretty much in love at this point.

639
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: And then poor Steve, without knowing what he was doing,

640
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 2: came to Oregon when it was Thanksgiving, so he got

641
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: to meet the whole family.

642
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my gosh, what did your family think of

643
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: Steve when they met him?

644
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: They well, they were thought It was just amazing because

645
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 2: I think this still happens in Thanksgiving, but it kind

646
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: of is segregated. So, for example, a lot of times,

647
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: most of the guys will go watch football and most

648
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: of the women chat and do dishes or whatever in

649
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: right kitchen. So Steve would go talk football with the

650
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: guys and then clear the table and do dishes with

651
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: all the women as comfortably. So he was perfect and

652
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 2: everyone loved him. But my sister said later, she said

653
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: she thought, darn it, because we're never going to see

654
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: him again because he lives in Australia and I by

655
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: this time, I've paid off my house, i have a

656
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: successful company, i have a wildlife rehabilitation organization, and I'm

657
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: working nights and weekends at an emergency veterinary hospital, so

658
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: I've become a veterinary technician as well, and so my

659
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: dance card's full.

660
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: Exactly. You guys both have thriving, active lives on two

661
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: different continents.

662
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was kind of the family's reaction was

663
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: we love him, but logistically, we don't know how this

664
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 2: is gonna work, right, So it was great.

665
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: Well, eight months later, you guys were married. So how

666
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: does the proposal happen. What is the conversation between the

667
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: two of you about how are we going to blend

668
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: our lives?

669
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Interesting. So this was end of November. So I

670
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: went to see him again in January. I was like,

671
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: forget Florida, so exactly over to Australia and had a

672
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: wonderful time. So he took me out on rivers and

673
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: showed me crocodile nests and showed me wildlife, and we

674
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: went camping and he was a terrific cook and very chivalrous.

675
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: Found a shallow area and we're just kind of like

676
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: in shorts and a tank top, single kind of thing,

677
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: and just kind of splashing off in the water, and

678
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: he kept edging his way in front of me. I'd

679
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: be like, I'm just trying to splash off here, and

680
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: he kept edging his way in front of me, and

681
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's going on? And he said, I don't

682
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: think there's any crocodiles nearby, but just in case, I

683
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: want to be between you and the river. So I like,

684
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 2: on one hand, that's very chivalrous, and on the other hand,

685
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: what the heck do I do if a crocodile eats you?

686
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: Right exactly?

687
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: Then?

688
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: What do I do?

689
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know how we got here, but

690
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: he was just delightful. So I'm about to go home.

691
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: And we'd been doing some work that day because lightning

692
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: hit a tree in the wildlife park and killed the tree,

693
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: so we had to take it down before it Yeah,

694
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: so we worked all day taking this tree down. And

695
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 2: by the end of the day, I'm just sweaty, and

696
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: I've got lee eaves in my hair and We're having

697
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: a cool drink and we're sitting there and he says, so,

698
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: what do you reckon? Do you want to get married?

699
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: Oh?

700
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: And I was like, maybe I misunderstood.

701
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: So yet what did he just say get married?

702
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: What? Because he's not on one knee, there's no ring, there's

703
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 2: no rose petals, there's no candles lit, We're sweaty, I'm gross.

704
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: What is happening? So I then think of all the

705
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: reasons I can't move to Australia, and then I said, yes,

706
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: so that happened, and he said, why don't you live

707
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: here until you can kind of organize a wedding through

708
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: your family and we'll go get married in Oregon. And

709
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: I said, I won't live with you till we're married, right,

710
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: and I got he said, how soon can you get

711
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: a wedding together? So I thought that was pretty cool.

712
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: So he proposed in February and we were married in June,

713
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: and that was really beautiful. My grandmother's church, it was

714
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: really beautiful. Terrifying for him, but beautiful.

715
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: Now what does his family think? Does his family come

716
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: with you guys to Oregon for the wedding? What does

717
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: his family think of this union and your connection?

718
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: Well, I think to their credit, they were very accepting

719
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: of me. But I think I was a lot, you know,

720
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 2: like I'm I'm the person who has been coordinating things

721
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: in my own life, right. You know, I've got one

722
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five staff, I've got all these volunteers.

723
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: I'm used to kind of being the coordinator. And I

724
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: can remember my dad saying to me, when you get

725
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: married and moved to Australia, remember two things. Everyone gets homesick,

726
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: do not be ashamed. He said in World War Two

727
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,479
Speaker 2: when he was in the Navy on board the ship,

728
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: he said, grown men are crying for their mothers because

729
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: everyone gets homesick. And he said the other thing is

730
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: remember your way is the different way. So when you

731
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: get there, they will have a way they do things right.

732
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: So he was very gentle with me. Yeah, don't just

733
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: get there and completely coordinate everything differently right, which I love.

734
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: I also can relate to that as a woman who

735
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: has likes to be in control because I know what

736
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm self assured. I have many businesses, I

737
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: run a household, I have children. You can be a

738
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: lot for some people. Some people are not used to,

739
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: you know, coming in and taking charge, and so I

740
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: can I can understand that while they were very accepting

741
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,479
Speaker 1: and loving of you, you were also a lot.

742
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're a director in life and work and

743
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 2: literally a film director, so so you get that. Yeah.

744
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: So eleven of them came over to Australia, and Steve

745
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: and I kind of put our funds together to fly

746
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 2: them over and it was beautiful and really special. And

747
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: when the services were over and we're going, you know,

748
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: we're getting ready to show everybody Oregon and then go

749
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: on our honeymoon, that's the time when we got the

750
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: message from Australia that there was a crocodile someone was

751
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 2: trying to shoot because it was near a boat ramp

752
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: and they were afraid of it. So Steve had done

753
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: a little bit of filming, like with ads. So there

754
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: was like a four X beer ad and I'm not

755
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: sponsoring or endorsing four X beer, but the beer was

756
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: like being thrown from one friend to another and it

757
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: goes over the water and the croc comes up and

758
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: tries to grab the guy who's thrown the beer, and

759
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: the guy catches the beer above the crocodile and is like, WHOA,

760
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: the crocs are bad today or whatever. And that was

761
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 2: Steve's hand, of course, and Steve's crocodile in the ad.

762
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: So he had done some of that filming. So the

763
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 2: guy he filmed ads with said do you want to

764
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: film rescuing this crocodile instead of just rescuing it? So

765
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: he said to me, do you want to do a

766
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: planned honeymoon or go film this croc rescue? And I

767
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 2: was like rescue, Oh my goshh So I spent my

768
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: honeymoon with six men in a film crew and working

769
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: on rescuing this crocodile. Which was before you.

770
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: Said croc rescue. Where was the other place you guys

771
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: might have gone on your honeymoon.

772
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 2: We were looking at Indonesia, so we were talking about

773
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: Indonesia because Steve was a surfer and surf there a lot,

774
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 2: and back then, this would have been thirty three years ago.

775
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: Back then it was still very remote and beautiful and

776
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: isolated and quiet. Yeah, so now it's pretty touristy. Yeah,

777
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: back it was very very special. So of course the

778
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: honeymoon would have included surfing.

779
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: And I don't surf, right, you're not going underwater. You're

780
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: not going underwater that gift God gave you. You're not

781
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: doing it.

782
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: God said, you don't have gills.

783
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, I get it. I also want

784
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: to talk to you about some others who experienced being

785
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: a teenager in very close proximity to you, and that

786
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: would be Bindi and Robert. I obviously got to know

787
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: Robert a little bit this past couple of months through

788
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, and my husband and I have said,

789
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: and we've told it to both of you many times,

790
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: if our sons turn out to be in a fraction

791
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: of the man that Robert is, we will feel successful

792
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: in our job as parents. So, now that I have

793
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: said all that, I'd love to just hear a story

794
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: about how one time even Robert was just a wild

795
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: or awful teenager because he seems too good to be true.

796
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: So was there ever a moment for either Bindy or

797
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: Robert where you thought, well, this is just so out

798
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: of your character, like a moment where you thought what

799
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: are you doing? Or how they always been as perfect

800
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: as they seem.

801
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: It's so funny because I've been very blessed with kids

802
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: who were way more fun than I was when I

803
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: was a kid and cooler. I can remember in high school,

804
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: I never got asked to the prom, but I went

805
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: to the prom okay because I took tickets. So I

806
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: was the girl who checked everyone's invite and see the

807
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 2: door with their date. So, yeah, you want to talk

808
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: being a high school kid, I never got asked to

809
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: the prom. But my kids have been far more engaging

810
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: and interesting and wonderful, and that's what you hope for,

811
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 2: you know, these terrific kids. But my dynamic with my

812
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: kids was so much different than most peoples. So Steve

813
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: and I were married for six years before we had kids,

814
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: and we were those funny people that said, when we

815
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 2: have kids, our lives won't change.

816
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: Right, We're gonna They're just gonna fit into our life.

817
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: We're not changing anything, for them.

818
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then we end up working with a film

819
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: crew or who are totally cool if we bring the baby. Okay,

820
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 2: So Bendy went on her Bendy was film being born

821
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: and then she that was Steve just was shooting with

822
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: a film crew and I called him and I said,

823
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: I'm on the way to the hospital. So he just

824
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: brought the film crew come with me. Yeah, right, like

825
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: as you would right of course. So she was six

826
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: days old when we were filming Sea Turtles at Fraser

827
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: Island in Queensland, and so I just brought her along

828
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: and the runner on the show was with her in

829
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: the vehicle on the beach, and then when she needed

830
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: to breastfeed, I would just step away and feed her

831
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 2: and then come back and film again. And it worked

832
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: and she loved it. And you know, when they're that little,

833
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: they just kind of sleep and eat so pretty. But

834
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: as time went on and we had Robert, we were

835
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: still with the same crew and so we're still doing

836
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: the same thing and they would travel with us. Bindy

837
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: was three years old and my sister came with us

838
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: when we launched our movie. We traveled for six weeks.

839
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: We were in four countries and we did like twelve

840
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: hundred interviews. I think the publicist said the only one

841
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: who beats you was Tom Cruise. So I felt in

842
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: good company. So we did so many interviews. And Bindy

843
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: was a little trooper. I mean she had my sister

844
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: and she just loved the next room, the next car,

845
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: the next flight, and it was an adventure. Robert was

846
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 2: the same. So they went with us everywhere, and I

847
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: think that you get what you get. They were not

848
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: good sleepers, but they were good travelers. They were very

849
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: easy and compliant and fun and liked being with us.

850
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: They never said when we are when are we going

851
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: to go home? You know, they just loved it. So

852
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: whether we were in a tent on the nullibor planes

853
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: in South Australia, or we were in Clarence House in

854
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: Ireland promoting a movie.

855
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: They loved it right. They were happy to be there.

856
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: Right. So the little ups and downs the most difficult

857
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 2: Robert ever got. He was so cranky for two days,

858
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: he was just impossible, Like the whole sum total of

859
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: the Terrible twos hit him in two days. It was ridiculous.

860
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,959
Speaker 2: And then I was putting him to bed and I'm

861
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: trying to soothe him to sleep, because neither kid was

862
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: a sleeper. And as I'm stroking his hair, I discovered

863
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: the biggest tick you've ever seen, like fully engorged paralysis

864
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: tick on his head.

865
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: Oh this.

866
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 2: Isn't just pull the tick off and carry on. This

867
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 2: is a doctor visit because paralysis ticks, well, they'll kill dogs.

868
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: They're really bad for you. And I hadn't noticed it

869
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: until it got big, but it completely changed his humor,

870
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 2: his being a compliant little human.

871
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: And I was like, what is going on? Oh my gosh.

872
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: So then now you're like, okay, sorry, I've been trying

873
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: to soothe you to sleep. Get up. We gotta go

874
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: short with you.

875
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to sit up and eat dinner. You know.

876
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: I felt so bad, but he was fine, and I

877
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 2: felt like a terrible parent, But I mean, how do

878
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: you know the only thing that changed was his temperament.

879
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: And to Robert's credit, he was That was the only

880
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: time he was a real challenge, you know. Other than that,

881
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: he was a really good kid. We were on a

882
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: flight when he was teething. We're on a flight back

883
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: from America, and so there's a lot of walking around

884
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: because he's just not settling and I'd been sitting next

885
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 2: to this lovely man having huge conversations, and then when

886
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: everybody went to sleep, I kept walking Robert and he

887
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: just wasn't settling. And I said to the man at

888
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: the end of the flight, I'm so sorry if Robert

889
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: disturbed you at all. I tried to keep him quiet

890
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 2: and he said, no, no, he was fine. When you'd

891
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: go Robert, it's okay. It would kind of startle me

892
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 2: because my name's Robert, and I'm like, yep, yep, that's cool.

893
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 2: Nice meeting you see it. A few days later, my

894
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: pa said to me, I just wanted to let you

895
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: know that Robert Downey Junior is coming to the Zoo

896
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: because he spent time with you on a plane. And

897
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: I go, I didn't spend time with Robert. Oh wait

898
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 2: a minute. I flew for fourteen hours with Robert Downey

899
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: Junior and was so tired. I didn't know who he

900
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: was even after he said because my name, my name

901
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: is Robert, and he was talking about the filming work

902
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 2: he was doing, and I'm like, yeah, I do filming

903
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: work too. With the babe.

904
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's a hilarious. So then he comes

905
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: to the zoo. Do you recognize him immediately? Like, oh, yeah,

906
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: here who came in?

907
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: And we caught up with him, and he and Steve

908
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 2: hit it off, and we've not caught up often, but

909
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: we've remained in touch over the years. But I thought

910
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: that was such a funny story. So, yes, Robert wasn't

911
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: being naughty, but it was often hard to get him settled.

912
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, knowing how much energy Robert has, it seems

913
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: like I don't you know, I'm not sure Robert has

914
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: a settled When Dancing with the Stars ended and he

915
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: was on the jet immediately to Good Morning America, and

916
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: then from Good Morning America, you guys were back on

917
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: a plane to go to South Africa, so trap through London.

918
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: I just thought, wow, the energy you all have.

919
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: Was he you know, credit to him, And it's nice

920
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: because we both have our own gigs in South Africa.

921
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: So while he's filming, I'm able to do. We've got

922
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: a couple of conservation projects.

923
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: Down here, so that's wonderful.

924
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 2: But also a very long stint in South Africa, so

925
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: it's really good.

926
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: I bet you guys have been there now for quite

927
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: a while. My last question for this episode, because I

928
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: have one other little thing I want to do with you,

929
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: involving hearing some other people's stories about what they were

930
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: like as kids. I know it's been thrown around there,

931
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: and Robert seems to be one of the culprits pushing it.

932
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: Would you ever try and continue the Dancing with the

933
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: Stars Irwin dynasty and jump onto that ballroom floor? Would

934
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: that be something you would ever consider?

935
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, I'm going to adopt another child and get

936
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 2: them on the show. I think it should continue. So

937
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 2: adoption is definitely in my future because I found what

938
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: I'm good at. I am really good at being the

939
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 2: sidekick coach for the dancing journey. So, you know, so

940
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: proud of Bendy she was. But you know, interestingly, Bindy's

941
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: journey and Robert's journey were so similar because Bindy would

942
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: be invited to stuff and she'd say, I'm just here

943
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: to dance. I'm not here to go to Disneyland or

944
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: to do this thing. And Robert found that as well,

945
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: that you really have to commit if you're and I'm

946
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: sure you found that too. It was just all day,

947
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 2: every day, seven days a week, Yes, and an epic

948
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: dedication to the craft. So would I do it. I

949
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: would never say never, but I would have to say

950
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: I'm in the same boat that Bendy and Robert were,

951
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: having no dance experience to the point where my parents

952
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: were like, dancing is out when I was a teenager

953
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 2: invited to dances. So I've literally ever danced either.

954
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling you, I think you have just like

955
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: Bindi and just like Robert, you have exactly what it

956
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: takes to because you have. No one seems to be

957
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: more dedicated than you, no one seems to be more

958
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: hard working than you. You have a you have a

959
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: shining personality. You've raised two champions who have already danced,

960
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: So I just know if anyone could do it and

961
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: do it well, it would be you. So I would

962
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: love to see it. I love to hear never say never.

963
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: I think that's very smart. And you know, Dancing with

964
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: the Stars was such a life changing experience for me,

965
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: and it wasn't just the dancing. Being able to be

966
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: around Robert and the other cast and in turn, you

967
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: and your family has become a true highlight of that

968
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: journey for me, and I am in awe of what

969
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: you have built and the grace in which you have

970
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: done it. The legacy you are leaving for you, your family,

971
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: you have cultivated all of that. So you are a

972
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: hero to me. You are a hero to many people

973
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: around the world. And I thank you so much for

974
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: talking with me and letting me call you a friend.

975
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: Thank you because I feel that way. I feel that

976
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 2: when we all met you, we were all fans, and

977
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: now we're all friends, which is really nice. So now

978
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 2: what we have to do is this incredible podcast with

979
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: another Irwin family member from Australia. So I want to

980
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 2: see you at the Crocodile Hunter Lodge and Australia Zoo

981
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: and as Disney says, be my guest.

982
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, I have to tell you though,

983
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm very afraid of spiders. Nothing in the world sounds

984
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: more fun than going and visiting you guys and being

985
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: your guest and doing the podcast from there. What am

986
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: I going to do about the spiders? I hear there's

987
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: like two thousand species of giants spiders in Australia. I'm

988
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: very scared of them. Okay, that's what Robert said. Robert

989
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: said the exact same thing. Your family's incredible, and I

990
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: listen when Robert said it, I was like I believe you.

991
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 2: You can. You can believe me because when Robert was

992
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: a tiny little boy, he asked me to please always

993
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: protect him from pirates, and a pirate has never gotten him.

994
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 4: So I am telling you, no, spider, great you know

995
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 4: what that if that, if that worked for you and

996
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 4: pirates and Robert, of course it will work for me

997
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 4: and the spiders.

998
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: I very much appreciate it, and I'm going to take

999
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: you up on it.

1000
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 2: I would love that because it's a sincere offer. Let

1001
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 2: me know when you're coming and we will have the

1002
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: most magical adventure I promise.

1003
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. A joy to talk to you

1004
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: as always, and I look forward to the next time.

1005
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: Thank you. I really appreciate having.

1006
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: Me on of course. Teen Beat is an iHeart podcast

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Speaker 1: Carp and Amy Sugarman, Executive in charge of production Danielle Romo,

1009
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: producer and editor Tara Subach. The theme song is by

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