1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Hello, SNAFU listeners. Ed Helms here. I mean, who else 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: is it going to be? I'm the host, this is 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: my podcast, So yeah, it's Ed Helms And I've got 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: another really fun surprise for you this week. I'm sharing 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: the live recording of one of my favorite stops on 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: last year's book tour, where I was essentially roasted to 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: a crisp by the one and only Tig Notaro. 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: Now, Tig isn't just a. 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: Brilliant comedian, actor, writer, and podcast host. She's also a 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: longtime friend. We go way back, and I've always admired 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: her completely singular comedic voice. She has this magical rhythm 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: to her delivery, like a deceptively gentle slow burn style 13 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: to her jokes, and then these punchlines that just hit 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: you in the gut so hard she can leave a 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: massive audience doubled over without out ever raising her voice. 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: You've probably seen her in her Netflix stand up special 17 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: Happy to Be Here, or her TV series One Mississippi, 18 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: or stealing entire scenes in shows like Star Trek, Discovery, 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: The Office, or perhaps even the movie that Tig and 20 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: I did together called Together Together. Now sharing the stage 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: with Tig at La Live Talks was an absolute blast. 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: We dug into the stories from my book, SNAFU, The 23 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: Definitive Guide to History's Greatest screw Ups, talked about the 24 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: research and production process for the book, and even tossed 25 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: around a few bold predictions for the future. So listen 26 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 1: in and don't forget. You can order the book or 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: the audiobook at Snafu, dashbook dot com or wherever you 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: get your books. So sit back and enjoy my conversation 29 00:01:54,040 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: with the incredible tig Notaro. 30 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: Could you guys give us a minute. We're gonna just 31 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: catch up. 32 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 3: I didn't see you there. Do you know when I 33 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: get started on the questions that I printed out? 34 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 4: Do I know what when I should get started on this? 35 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 3: Like? 36 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 4: Should we just chat casually for a minute. 37 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: I feel like that's appropriate. 38 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: Okay, some casual chatter and then honestly, don't ever get 39 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: to this stuff. 40 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, that's. 41 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: The get Let's get real, let's get under the hood. 42 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 4: Let's get real real fast. 43 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, like, what's on my pants? 44 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: Yeah? 45 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: I realized on my way here tonight that I had 46 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 3: a stain on my pants, and. 47 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: I just asked backstage if she knows what's on her pants. 48 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: She doesn't know, but I did decide would be the 49 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: name of a really good talk show or game show. 50 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: Game show? 51 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 4: Yes, what on your pants? 52 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 3: Crowd goes mild, great, Well, what's on your pants? 53 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: So much? 54 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: I've been wearing these pants basically every day for the 55 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: last eight days. 56 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: This is the last stop on my book tour. 57 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 4: Congrats, thank you, and. 58 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: Thank you Tig for doing this and being here. 59 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 4: It is my pleasure. I'll go anywhere for you, my dear. 60 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: Well, fantastic. All the way to Culver City. 61 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 4: That's right to the straight area of town. 62 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 63 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 4: Should we get started? 64 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: Why don't I ask you all the questions? 65 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 4: Absolutely? 66 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: How much did you love my book? 67 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: I loved it so much that when I had time, 68 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: I read parts of it amazing. 69 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: Yes, read the excerpts, the blurbs. 70 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 4: No, I read way more than that. 71 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: Cool. 72 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: Yes, but we'll get into that all right. What else 73 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: do you want to ask me? Where'd you grow up? 74 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: Mississippi and Texas? But I feel like you probably knew 75 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 3: some of that. 76 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: I know, but this is for them. Oh, I'm okay, 77 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: I'm just yeah. 78 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: I forgot that I wasn't just here to talk to 79 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: my friend ed Mississippi. 80 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: And Texas, and I'm from Georgia, Georgia. 81 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: We're bringing it real southern some we're just bringing some 82 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: Southern vibes. 83 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 5: Yeah to California, which is that's right, that's what we do. 84 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 5: I'm out of questions. You're out already out time out. 85 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you didn't even read anything on that. 86 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 4: Well, I realized this was my grocery list. 87 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: For Gilson's. 88 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 4: Ham. That's not true. 89 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: Can I tell you, speaking of Mississippi, my cousin who 90 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: is a grown woman twenty nine married, has a child 91 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, and she's not And I 92 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: know people here Mississippi, and you picture whatever you're picturing. 93 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: There are civilized areas and people. My family is one 94 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: of them. My cousin went to college, she went to 95 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 3: business school. Found out a couple of years ago. Ham 96 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: is not an animal. She thought, like chicken and fish, 97 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 3: there were hams running around. 98 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: They don't teach that in business school. 99 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: No where does she go to this business school in Mississippi? 100 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 4: No, in New Orleans? 101 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: Okay? 102 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, so uh, that is one of the few meats 103 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: that has like multiple names, ham, bacon. 104 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: There are all these things that aren't. 105 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: What it is too well, also pig, pork, ham pork, bacon, pig. 106 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 4: What'd you say that's not a pig? 107 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: But it is. It is not a cow. Also, her 108 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: point is that it's not right. 109 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 3: I was going to say, are you from Mississippi? All right, Well, 110 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 3: let's get in to these questions. 111 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, I'm an onion. Just start peeling the layers. Okay, 112 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: it's going to get real. 113 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 4: All right. 114 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 3: If it's going to get real, then tell us a 115 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: little bit about why you chose to write this companion 116 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: book for the snaff Fou podcast? What spawned your interest? 117 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 3: What a great question. 118 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 4: In this time, I'm I'm a slow delivery. 119 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: I'm still asking the question spawned your interest in this 120 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,559 Speaker 3: type of history project in the first place? 121 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: That feels like a question you wrote. You use words 122 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: like spawned in a lot of rates. 123 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 4: Snafo. 124 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I always say snaff every time we talk on 125 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: the phone. You're like this, what spawned this? What spawned 126 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: what spawned this? Snaffo? Basically, everybody does a podcast, including you. 127 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 4: Yep, it's called Handsome Check it out. 128 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: Check it out. 129 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: And there's so many great podcasts out there, and a 130 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: lot of them are just interviews kind of style. Shows 131 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: which I love, and I was consuming a ton of 132 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: these shows as a fan, and I was like, do 133 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: I fit into this podcast space somewhere? 134 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: And if I do, what does it look like. 135 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: I didn't really want to do an interview show because 136 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: I felt like there were just so many of them 137 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: out there. It's like, well, history is a fun thing 138 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: that I've always love to just kind of go down 139 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: these little rabbit holes of looking into stuff. Our show, 140 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: this show, Rutherford Falls, was very kind of history oriented. 141 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: I played an historian with who owned a museum in 142 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: that show, and I just it's, yeah, it was something 143 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: that that felt very organic to me. But then it's like, well, 144 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: what's I still wanted to be funny, and then it 145 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: was like, well, what's funny in history? The snaffoos, the 146 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: car crashes of history that we can't turn away from, 147 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: those will be fun, Like, that'll be a fun thing. 148 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: To do a podcast about. 149 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: So we partnered with the great people at Film Nation 150 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: and their podcast department and. 151 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: Set to work on this thing. 152 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: And it just turned into a really intense project with 153 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: deep research and heavy audio production. 154 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 4: And were you expecting that the deep research? 155 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: It did not account for that the first season I 156 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: think we were very ambitious, but it worked, like it 157 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: really clicked and we kind of figured out got a 158 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: rhythm on to how to do this anyway. The the 159 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: in doing all that research, you just accumulate basically like 160 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: a pile of these crazy stories, and some of them 161 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: don't warrant like the full podcast treatment, Like it's just 162 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't have quite as much material there, but it's 163 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: still really funny or interesting. And those those just started 164 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: to pile up and it was like, all right, this 165 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: is this is fodder for a book. Yeah, it's like 166 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: it's all right here. It's just sort of like quick. 167 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: Each chapter is a different snafoo, so it's not nearly 168 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: as deep a dive, and the stories are just kind 169 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: of quick and fun and easy. It's which is part 170 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: of what makes this book such a fantastic gift for 171 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: Mother's Day or Father's Day. You can pick it up 172 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: and just go anywhere and find a five to ten 173 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: page little fun story. It's basically a book of short stories. 174 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: There's thirty one snafoos in there. You can it's a 175 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: great beach read. It's perfect for your nightstand. You can 176 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: read it in the bathroom. 177 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 2: Really, yes, yeah, you know. 178 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 4: Of people that have read it in the bathroom. 179 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: I'm just saying you can. 180 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: I haven't asked people, but I have been told that 181 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: it gets things moving. That one chapter is equivalent to 182 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: nine grams of fiber. 183 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 3: So would it be the longest enema ever given? 184 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 2: Yeah? 185 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: So there is a chapter about the ever Given, which 186 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: is a container ship that was wedged in the Suez Canal. 187 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: That's one of the more recent ones that you might remember. 188 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 4: And yeah, I learned. 189 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: I didn't realize this until I was doing my semi 190 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: deep dive on the book. That snaffoo stands for situation 191 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: normal all. 192 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: Fucked? 193 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 3: Uh right, Yeah, you can see you can also you think, well, 194 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: if if what you silently said is what I think 195 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 3: you said, then yeah, I think you're right. 196 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 4: Are you guys? Okay with me saying the F word. 197 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: Fucked? 198 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: But you can also put fouled up. That's how you 199 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: kind of clean it up. 200 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: Oh okay. 201 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 5: Yeah. 202 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: I also learned that, not from your book or podcast, 203 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 3: but when I was researching Snaffoo. 204 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, snaffoos, I did you know? I I dove in 205 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 4: here and there and I yeah, I just. 206 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 2: That's a good one. 207 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: That is a good one for for when I take 208 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: this into schools to. 209 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 4: Be able to say all fouled up. 210 00:11:58,640 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 2: All fouled up. 211 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 3: Speaking of schools, were you into history as a kid? 212 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: As a little kid, we had a huge collection of 213 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: national geographic magazines and. 214 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: I just was always so into that. 215 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: I would just like pull them out and thumb through 216 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: and just be It was such a vessel for curiosity, 217 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: and I really it made me really want to be 218 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: Indiana Jones because it hasn't worked out yet. Also, I 219 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: don't think it's I think that like his version of 220 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: that profession is now frowned upon, but at the time 221 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: it was just adventurous and curious and wonderful. But yeah, 222 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: those National geographics and also the World Book Encyclopedia. 223 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: Did anybody have those in their homes? Like? I just 224 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: love those things. 225 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: You could pull them off and just be like Ardvarks, 226 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: Like what's up with Ardvars? 227 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 4: So you started on page one? 228 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because that's the double a right, sure. Yeah, 229 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: But you could also just be like Zanzibar, where. 230 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: Like what's the deal, what's the population? Where is it 231 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: on the map? And anything that you wanted I just 232 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: look at. I couldn't believe that we had like this 233 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: book set that could just tell me anything I wanted 234 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: to know. But the podcast and the book have become 235 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: these what I hope and feel are very productive applications of. 236 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: That that curiosity and interest. 237 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 4: All Right, we're were we. 238 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 3: So you you know, we all heard in our bios 239 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: that I mean, are yours specially? 240 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 4: I mean, you've done a lot. 241 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: You've been an actor, a podcaster, a writer, comedy writer, 242 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 3: all of these things. I mean, you know, musician. But 243 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 3: we're not here to talk about that. Guys, settled down, 244 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: We're not talking about that. How did all of those 245 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 3: experiences inform writing this book? How like everything that you've 246 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: done here we are now today you are an author. 247 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: I do kind of feel like the Snafu podcast was 248 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: a culmination of sorts because it's so it's so deep, 249 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: and there are stories in the podcast that are very 250 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: heavy and poignant and stirring, and that's not something I 251 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: really expected coming up through comedy that I would be 252 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: diving into. And so that sort of just I think 253 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: opened my mind about just creatively, like what would be 254 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: like what else I can do and how else? Like 255 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: the book just felt like a very like a natural 256 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: step from that, and. 257 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: I've really enjoyed it. Yeah, I think there's going to 258 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: be more. 259 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 4: You enjoyed the process of writing? Yeah, how long did 260 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 4: it take you to write? I wrote a book. 261 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: It took me four years and you can read it 262 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 3: in an afternoon next to the pool. 263 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 264 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 4: How long did yours? Take? 265 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: Like a year and a half and there was But 266 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: the nice thing about this book is that it was 267 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: it was not overwhelming to work on because it's such 268 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: short chunks. So each chapter is a story, and that 269 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,239 Speaker 1: that caters well to like the way my brain works. 270 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: Like I think writing a novel would just be terrifying 271 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: and overwhelming, and even writing like a memoir feels or 272 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: something along those lines. I don't know, anything like a 273 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: narrative that's like two three hundred pages feels maybe I'll 274 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: get there eventually, but right now that feels like scary. 275 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like you'll get there. 276 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, based on the ADHD and yeah, all that stuff. 277 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And also the nice thing, you know, I had 278 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: a lot of research support on this book because we 279 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: built such a great team on this on the podcast, 280 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: and so it was you know, it really was a 281 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: collective effort kind of organizing this material and getting the 282 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: getting the research materials together, and uh, and I just 283 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: was working with great, great people pulling the kind of 284 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: the information together. 285 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 3: So in that research, were there any surprises that stuck 286 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: I'm sure there were so many surprises, but any that 287 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 3: really stuck out to you when you like really you know, 288 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 3: because I'm sure you have some idea maybe of what 289 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: one particular story or snaffoo is about, and then you're. 290 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 4: Like, here's the twist. Well, in a major way. 291 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to back up or sort of like go 292 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: high altitude for a second, because hopefully all the stories 293 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: in the book are that for everybody. 294 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 2: Because in and again starting. 295 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: With the podcast, the idea like I didn't want to 296 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: tell stories that that people know. 297 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: I want. 298 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to tell history that feels new or fresh 299 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 1: or or kind of like rediscovering things. 300 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: And in the podcast, it. 301 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: Just it was like trying to find stories that have 302 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: a lot of power and impact but have been largely 303 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: forgotten in the in the sort of popular memory. And 304 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: and that's what that same thing I brought to the 305 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: to this sort of like that was the sort of 306 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: like organizing principle and building the content for the book. 307 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: And because of that like every story is surprising, every 308 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: story is like, holy shit that happened, Like that's real. 309 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: There's a few in the book that you probably. 310 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: Have heard of, like the ever Given in everybody Knew 311 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: when that container ship got wedged in the Suez Canal. 312 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 4: And what is your favorite story? 313 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: Well, they're all babies, you know, so it's hard to pick, 314 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: but I'll tell you too. There's one that I loved one. Okay, 315 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: there's another one that's absolutely insane, which is in the 316 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties. 317 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: This was this is the Cold War. 318 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: So one thing that emerges when you read the book, 319 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 1: the Cold War did not bring out the best in us, 320 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: Like we were very scared and made a lot of 321 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: really terrible decisions. 322 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 2: This is one of them. 323 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: So a plan was hatched to shoot a nuclear warhead 324 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: at the moon. Now why would you want to do that? Well, 325 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: the thinking was that if we can hit the moon 326 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: with a nuclear. 327 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: Warhead, the Soviets will see that and they'll be like 328 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 2: holy shit. 329 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: And then I guess we win the Cold War because 330 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: they're so scared, because they're like, oh my god, the 331 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: Americans can hit the moon with a warhead, Like we're done, 332 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: Like we can't we just surrender. So they they really 333 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: thought that this would like kind of shut down the 334 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: Cold War or like scare the Soviets really badly, so 335 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 1: they get they went really far down this road. They 336 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time and money researching this. Carl 337 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: Sagan worked on this project. A young Carl say, he 338 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: likes planets, but he was part of this plan to 339 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: actually shoot a millions of dollars this, yeah, untold millions. 340 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 2: Yes. 341 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: They eventually realized that any tiny malfunction or miscalculation could 342 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: very easily result. 343 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: In the nuclear warhead slingshotting. 344 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: Around the gravitational field of the Moon and just coming 345 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: right back at us. The other thing they realized is 346 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: that even if they hit the moon, you know, even 347 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: if they actually were on target, that it wouldn't look 348 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: like much. It would just be because I think the 349 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: hope was like the Soviets would see this big like 350 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: crater on the Moon, or see like a big explosion 351 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: on the Moon. But they realized that it would really 352 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: just probably be kind of a little gray dust cloud 353 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: you wouldn't really see very much. And that detail I 354 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: love because that is literally wily coyote, Like that is 355 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: every time Wiley coyote falls off a cliff. 356 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: It's like that little dust cloud. 357 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: And this is a Looney Tunes idea, like, well, you 358 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: could see acme on the side of this warhead very plausibly. 359 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 3: You were saying before that you have this, you know 360 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 3: a lot of great researchers, and you would have to 361 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 3: But where do researchers even begin to get this information? 362 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: This is a good question, because thank you, because it's 363 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: important to point out. 364 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: The only reason we know about that. 365 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: The only reason we know about that nuclear warhead shooting 366 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: at the moon, that whole thing, the only reason we 367 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: know is because a one of Carl Sagan's biographers was 368 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,239 Speaker 1: researching him, looking through all of his old papers and 369 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: he had actually put this project on a fellowship application, 370 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: like applying to something, right, you know, right after grad school, 371 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: and this researcher this, you know, his biographer was like, 372 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to put Carl Sagan aside for a second 373 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: look into this moon thing. And they they uncovered it, 374 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: and and all that's to say that the only reason 375 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: we know about any of this stuff is because of 376 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: so many dogged journalists and writers and people that just 377 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: have like, yes, for sure, have a huge round of 378 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: applause and and because of that, like when you just 379 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: start looking for snaffoos, they bubble up. They're on Google, 380 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: They're all you know, They're in history books. 381 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 3: They're yeah, like where do you google like snaffoos nineteen seventy. 382 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: Three, Yes, nineteen sixties disasters, problems. I mean, it's it's 383 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: like there are books, there are there are books that 384 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: focus on these things that aren't funny, and like they're 385 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: that are written by serious historians unlike me. 386 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: And has the government reached out and been like, do 387 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 3: not shill anybody? 388 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: Shut up? No? 389 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: But I actually feel like now like this book would 390 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: piss Trump off because it's like honest about our history, 391 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: which he is like, seems right like it doesn't. It 392 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: feel like we're at this moment where he's just like. 393 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: Don't say any bad stuff about us. 394 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's anti American to point out that that we 395 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: that the CIA tried to surgically implant microphones into cat's 396 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: ears and then train the cats to go sit next 397 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: to bad guys so. 398 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: You can hear. And the only thing. 399 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 3: The old one as a cat lover, that was one 400 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: of my favorites, I must say, And the microphone on 401 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 3: a cat like sitting next to a bad guy. 402 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the only thing that came that it came 403 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: from that entire like research effort was the startling discovery 404 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: that you can't train cats. 405 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 3: And how much money went into that. You don't have 406 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 3: that right, millions millions? Yes, are there any other anecdotes 407 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 3: that you would like to share? But I mean because 408 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 3: it is like it's like an insight, like you're saying 409 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 3: an encyclopedia of ard Vark to Sansabar. 410 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 4: There's so many. 411 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 3: Was there a Well, no, that would be that's not 412 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 3: a good question. 413 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: I can tell you another one. 414 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, this one's this one I love because it's it's 415 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: not as absurd. It's actually a Some of the nafoos 416 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: in the book are are kind of have this silver 417 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: lining of being a very obvious lesson that that that 418 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: we learned culturally from it, or or there are heroes 419 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: that emerged during snafoos and this is one of those. 420 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: Also in the nineteen fifties, one of the first nuclear 421 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: reactors is built in Deep River, Ontario, which is just 422 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: up the Ottawa River from the city of Ottawa, and 423 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: it's very early in nuclear technology. There's a very homer 424 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: Simpson series of mistakes that happen at this nuclear reactor, 425 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: and a meltdown starts, and it's a terrible accident. And 426 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: this is the first nuclear reactor meltdown in human history. 427 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: So nobody really knows what to do. They're freaking out. 428 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: They call the US military and they're like, what do 429 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: we do? Do you have anybody that can help us? 430 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, actually, we have this twenty eight 431 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: year old kid who's been working on our nuclear subprogram 432 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: and he's extremely knowledgeable about all this stuff. He's a 433 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: great leader. We're gonna send him up with a team 434 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: to help you out. 435 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 2: That was. 436 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter. Yeah, so that he became that. This is 437 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: a story about a young Jimmy Carter. He runs up there, 438 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: gets to Deep River, Ontario. The reactor's melting down. It's 439 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: so radioactive that they can only spend they can only 440 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: be in close proximity to the reactor core for ninety 441 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: seconds at a time, or else they'll have like they'll 442 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: die of radiation poisoning. 443 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 4: So I know what ends up happening, you do, but 444 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 4: go ahead. 445 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: All right, don't spoil it, Okay, So they they build 446 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: a replica of this reactor core on a nearby tennis court. 447 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: So they start rehearsing this disassembly and they drill it 448 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: and they drill it and drill it until they've got 449 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: this plan down perfectly. And then they start running in 450 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: a like a relay team of NASCAR pit crews just 451 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: like this, you know, ninety seconds. 452 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 2: At a time. 453 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: They can only be in there, so and every time 454 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: they do something to the reactor core, they come outside 455 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: and they do it to their replica as well, so 456 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: they can keep track of everything that's happening. It's a 457 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: brilliant plan and it keeps all of the workers healthy 458 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: and they save the reactor. There's still a partial meltdown. 459 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: There's a lot of damage done, but they prevent the 460 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: basically a Chernobyl from happening that very easily could have 461 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: been North America's Chernobyl. And I love this story because 462 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: it's you know, I grew up in a Southern Democrat household. 463 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: My dad was very politically engaged, and we loved Jimmy Carter. 464 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: We always he was like a venerated figure in our home. 465 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: But I feel like, sadly, in sort of the popular memory, 466 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: he's considered kind of wimpy, you know, even though he 467 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: did a lot of really badass stuff both as a president, 468 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: especially as he's one of the most productive post presidents 469 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: we've ever had. 470 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 2: And I think of him as a hero. 471 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: I always have, and I've always resented this kind of 472 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: popular sentiment that he's just sort of this wimpy and 473 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: effective guy. But this is like a great little nugget 474 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: of proof that he was a really courageous badass with 475 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: serious leadership. 476 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: And I can. 477 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 3: Really accentuate this point even more with a detail about 478 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 3: this story, the snapho in your book that when I said, 479 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 3: I know what happens, this is what I'm talking about, 480 00:28:53,840 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 3: his urine was radioactive. 481 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: Or how long like three months afterwards afterwards? 482 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 4: Yeah that's a badass. 483 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, make fun of Jimmy Carter all day long, 484 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 3: but have you had radioactive urine? 485 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: And they were very afraid that all these workers would 486 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: not be able to have children, And Jimmy Carter had 487 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: four very healthy children. 488 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 2: He's a tough guy. Yeah, yes, yeah, give it up 489 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: for Jimmy Carter. 490 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: Those are some of my favorite live moments, is when 491 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 3: one person collaps and nobody chimes in and it's just 492 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 3: an awkward and then you go, oh, did you feel 493 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: like I should pull back? Nobody's joining, she's not even acknowledging. 494 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 4: That I'm talking to. 495 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: What are some patterns that you observed and lessons studying snaffs? 496 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: The okay, so the well, one of the things that 497 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: I don't think this is something that we sort of 498 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: culturally would have would say we learned from this book, 499 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: but it's but the book reiterates it in a very 500 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: powerful way, which is that we just don't learn from 501 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: history at all, which is so sad and dumb. We're 502 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: so dumb and we just do the dumbest stuff. But 503 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: I do think there is a like a positive takeaway 504 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: from really digging into these snafoos. Like the more you 505 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: the more you look into these really dumb or kind 506 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: of horrifying, crazy events from history. 507 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 2: It's very easy. 508 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: Just when when we're in this moment like we're in 509 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: right now, and this I think applies whatever your political 510 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: stripes are, wherever you fall in the sort of conservative 511 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: liberals spectrum, this moment that we're in feels volatile, it 512 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: feels like it feels unstable, It feels a little like, 513 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, like we're polarized, and there's a just tremendous 514 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: uncertainty about the future, which is just unsettling, makes us anxious. 515 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: When we look back at crazy things in the past, 516 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: it's actually kind of nice to be reminded that we've 517 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: been there before, Like people have been terrified at lots 518 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: of times in the past, and that at least all 519 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: this stuff in this. 520 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 2: Book, and like. 521 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: Most of the time, there's some sense that we got 522 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: through a thing, or that we got to the other 523 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: side and found some sense of equilibrium again. And so 524 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't mean to be like glib or pollyannish about 525 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: the moment that we're in right now, because I think 526 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: it does feel legitimately scary in a lot of ways, 527 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,479 Speaker 1: and I don't know what will happen, but I do 528 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: think looking back it's nice to be just sort of 529 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: reminded that we have felt this way before, or previous 530 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: generations have felt this way before, and that they have 531 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: gotten through these moments. And so maybe that gives a 532 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: sense that there's a light at the end of the 533 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: tunnel as well. 534 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I agree, you know, as tough as things 535 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 3: are and scary as things may feel, I mean, this 536 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 3: is really extreme but I go to like, God, it 537 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 3: used to be normal to like behead somebody. Yeah, back 538 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 3: in the old old timy. 539 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 4: Times, And I'm like, we don't do that anymore. 540 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 3: I'm also curious, like, there are so many amazing stories. 541 00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 3: How do you decide what to choose, what to put 542 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 3: in your book, what to put in the podcast? And 543 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 3: also you must have people. Are people contacting you or 544 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 3: stopping you on the street going I have a story? 545 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 3: I know I have some inside scoop on this thing. 546 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: A few people actually on this book tour have been like, 547 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: did you hear about this? 548 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? Like random? 549 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 3: And do you have a lot of conspiracy theorists that 550 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 3: are that reach out to you? 551 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 2: Not yet I haven't. I'm sure. 552 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting the vibe on it. Yeah, the guy 553 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 3: I looked right at him. 554 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 4: There he is. 555 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: You know, Weirdly, I think, just like writing about real 556 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: stuff that's crazy is weirdly a little bit of a 557 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: hedge against conspiracy theories because it's like the research they 558 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: think that's real, don't you. Yeah, Okay, that's the title 559 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: of my next book. 560 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 4: I'm curious. 561 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you're obviously going to do another You're going 562 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 3: to do snafoo too right the next book, because there is, 563 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 3: like you said, so much going on. 564 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: Well, it's a it's such a fun space to play in. 565 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: It feels like there's so many different kinds of ways 566 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: to or different ways to frame snaffoos. We could do 567 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: like a book about sports snaffhoos or you know, different 568 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: time periods, medieval snaffoos. 569 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but. 570 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 3: I'm saying, like you chronologically you go through this, you know, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, 571 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 3: and I'm like, right now, we're sitting in a bunch 572 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 3: of thank you, We're sitting in the middle of a 573 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 3: bunch of snaphosa potential snaffoos more to come. 574 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel like we're swimming and just like 575 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: a big old sea of snaffoos right now. 576 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 4: So I'm seeing snafoo too, snafoo three. 577 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, all kind of down just about the last like 578 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: one hundred days. 579 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 4: Snaff one hundred. 580 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 581 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 3: Have you ever heard This is unrelated to your book, 582 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 3: but just curious any personal snaffoos in your life that 583 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 3: you'd like to share. 584 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: So many but not not not so many for public consumption. 585 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 4: Wow. So should we end there? 586 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: Uh, let's do it there, because I do think that 587 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: we're going to get some audience questions. 588 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 4: I think it'd be We're going to take some audience 589 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 4: questions if The Office had a historical snaffho themed episode, 590 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 4: which disaster would Michael Scott have proudly caused? 591 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that every episode of the Office, like 592 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: some horrible disaster. 593 00:35:59,360 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. 594 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: I feel like the the ever given container ship getting 595 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: wedged into the Suez Canal totally fits his particular kind 596 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: of uh yeah, his particular weaknesses, because that's such a 597 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: That accident was so mundane, like it was such a 598 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: it was like people in the wheelhouse of this ship 599 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: like trying kind of panicking, trying to figure out what 600 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: to do. I mean, you can imagine an episode of 601 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: the Office or something feeling like an Office episode unfolding 602 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: in the wheelhouse of that ship as they're trying to 603 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,439 Speaker 1: like adjust for the wind. 604 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 2: And then back up. 605 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: But there's a guy behind him and somebody's yelling at 606 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: the navigator, and the navigator is like Oscar and he's like, 607 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't know I had this is the data, this 608 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: is all I have. And then and then Dwight Shrewd 609 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: is freaking. He's like the engineer freaking out. 610 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 2: Like we're losing power, We're losing it. 611 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: Just yeah, the whole that one feels feels and Michael 612 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: God is the skipper, just like Frozen with fear. 613 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. 614 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 3: This isn't a follow up question, but I will tell 615 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 3: you for those that don't know, I was on an 616 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 3: episode of the Office, and to this day I get 617 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 3: recognized as that being my only credit. 618 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 4: Where people will come up and be like, you're from. 619 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 3: The Office, and I was like, yeah, thirteen years ago 620 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 3: for one second. 621 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's insane how massive that show is. 622 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 6: And it's a bit of a preview question, but I 623 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 6: wonder about one or two snaffoos that are on the 624 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 6: list that you haven't done a deep dive into, but 625 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 6: you're just dying to get into, really curious about. 626 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: Season four of the podcast is going to take a 627 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: little bit of a different shape, and I'm gonna have 628 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: guests on take You're doing it, whether you know it 629 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: or not, You're coming on the show, and I'm going 630 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: to tell them about snaffoos and then we'll have just 631 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: sort of fun it's kind of spin off chats about it. 632 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: But so a lot of things that maybe kind of 633 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: didn't fit the book or the podcasts framework, where I 634 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: think are going to work really well for that. So 635 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: that'll be things like the Donner Party and Ernest Shackleton's 636 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: crazy attempt to cross and be the first to cross 637 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: Antarctica in the early nineteen hundreds. 638 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 2: That's an incredible story. What else. The Lusitania is one 639 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 2: the cruise ship that. 640 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: Was sunk in the North Pacific by Germans, and gosh, 641 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: there are so many cool there's so many cool, crazy, 642 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: weird stories. 643 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,240 Speaker 2: But that's a sampling. 644 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 4: Now again. 645 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 3: Not really related to what we're talking about. You know, 646 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 3: I know, you know you have two kids and I 647 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 3: have two children as well, And at bedtime, we have 648 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 3: a joke where I go where I say, come on, guys, 649 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 3: let's get in bed. Let's I'm going to tell you 650 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 3: some boring stories. And I tell them like mundane stories, 651 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,280 Speaker 3: like you know, it's pulling into the. 652 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 4: Parking lot at the grocery store, and they're just like 653 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 4: they fall asleep. 654 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 3: And I, as we've been talking, I'm like, do you 655 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 3: ever sit and tell your kids snapoo. 656 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 2: Stories horrible tragedies? 657 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 3: You should, I mean leave the tragedy out because they'll snooze. 658 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: Before yeah, no, not this stuff. Although one of my 659 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: favorite bits in a movie is, didnone remember the movie 660 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: The Great Outdoors? 661 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so there's an amazing it's. 662 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 4: Such a person over there to remember it. 663 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: There's such a dumb throwaway joke in that movie. But 664 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 1: Dan act Royd tells he has these creepy little twin 665 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: daughters in. 666 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 2: The movie, and I have twins. 667 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: He tells the he tells them the story. They're like, 668 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 1: can you tell us a bedtime story? And he's like, yeah, sure, okay, 669 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,280 Speaker 1: So he tells the story is basically like the military 670 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: left a box in the woods and it turned out 671 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: to have this this creature that they've done all these 672 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: experiments on and the box spilled and opened up, and 673 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: it came this creature came out of the box and terrorized. 674 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 2: All these children in this little town. Are we good? 675 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: And the kids the two kids are like wide eyed, 676 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: and then it cuts to the morning and the kids 677 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: are still just sitting there that that's what the what 678 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: I think most of these stories would do to my kids. 679 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 4: But they're not sitting on your laps going to Yady. 680 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,240 Speaker 2: Tell us there's more about nuclear warheads and the Cold War. 681 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 4: But radioactive urine. 682 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,399 Speaker 1: But I will say that you do raise a great point, 683 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: which is that reading this book will make you a 684 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,720 Speaker 1: killer at dinner parties, because you will have so many fun, quick, 685 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: little zinger stories that you can just drop and they're funny, 686 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: and the people will think you're smart. 687 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 3: I've been sitting here honestly thinking, wow, Ed is a 688 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 3: smart guy. 689 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 2: Hi. 690 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 4: So I'm a battlefield guide. 691 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 7: I work overseas in Europe, and we all love the 692 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 7: podcast so much. We use a lot the reference of 693 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 7: Fidel Castro with those assassinations and how so many people 694 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 7: are shocked about Hitler and all those failed assassination attempts. 695 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 4: So we're wondering from. 696 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,800 Speaker 7: Overseas if you've addressed it a little bit about World 697 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 7: War Two, but would you ever go more into Second 698 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 7: World War, First World War snafoos because there's just so 699 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 7: many to name. 700 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: Oh wow, the world wars just a cavalcade of snaffoos. 701 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 1: There's so much written about those, They're so heavily researched. 702 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: And that's kind of again, outside of where I've been 703 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: the most charged up with my curiosity the things that 704 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 1: have fallen out of popular memory. 705 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,280 Speaker 2: But the Lusitania is a crazy world. War two story. 706 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, i've seen you both. You know some of your work. 707 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 4: What's the relationship between you two? And why her to 708 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 4: interview you tonight on this particular topic lovers ex lovers? 709 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: Ye? 710 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 4: But good question? 711 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 2: Why me? 712 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 4: How rude? Yeah? What what the hell am I doing here? 713 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,760 Speaker 4: I should be telling my kids boring stories? 714 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 715 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 3: I failed three grades and dropped out of have a 716 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 3: seventh grade education. 717 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 2: But you're smarter than most people I know. 718 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 4: Next question, No, what we mean? 719 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,760 Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember the first. 720 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 3: From the comedy scene Gelson's thank you? I mean, yeah, 721 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 3: the comedy world, Largo, the venue here in town and 722 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 3: at Largo. We've done I did the office. We also 723 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,280 Speaker 3: did a movie together. Yeah, I don't know. 724 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 4: Where'd you go? 725 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: It's a bit of a uh it's yeah, Yes, why her? 726 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 2: You have? 727 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know why I like hanging out 728 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 1: with you? Take because you're not very nice to me. 729 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: We did an interview when we were promoting a movie 730 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: we did together where I think you just you kept 731 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: telling the reporter how stupid my face was. 732 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 733 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 3: To translate that, it's because he's so funny and silly, 734 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,760 Speaker 3: and he makes these little smirky faces when he delivered. 735 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 3: You know, he's so unassuming and subtle and then boom, 736 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 3: right out of his stupid face is the funniest thing 737 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 3: you'll hear. 738 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 2: That's actually very sweet. 739 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 1: You're one of the only people that's ever called you 740 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: called my comedy subtle, and I appreciate that. 741 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 3: Well, no, you just have a subtle vibe about you, 742 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 3: like you know, when when we're chilling and whatever, and 743 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 3: then and then you'll do But also when we did 744 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 3: that movie like all of your that's where it came from. 745 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 4: Because when we were doing. 746 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 3: The director said, and now just you know, riff and 747 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 3: do some things, and he just was delivering all these 748 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 3: different improft lines and face expressions, and I was like, 749 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,760 Speaker 3: this stupid face, that's where it came from. 750 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 4: That is where it came from. 751 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,720 Speaker 3: It's when you started riffing and your face went nuts. 752 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fun, but we still don't know why. 753 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,359 Speaker 4: I am here. 754 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 6: Next question, have you thought about turning one of the 755 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 6: stories into a movie? 756 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: Yes, and that's a there's concerted effort on that front 757 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: with a couple of these. I think someone actually had 758 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: the idea to do that. 759 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:28,280 Speaker 2: The book. 760 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: Does anyone remember a history of the world the mel 761 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: Brooks movie. Like that's such a funny, like just compendium 762 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 1: of basically just comedy sketches. 763 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,800 Speaker 2: And you could do all of these chapters as comedy 764 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,879 Speaker 2: sketches too. So I don't know. 765 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: There's a few things in the hopefully in the hopper, 766 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 1: and and then a few very abstract ideas. 767 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 4: Is there a role for me? 768 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 7: No? 769 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 4: I guess that is the end of the evening here. 770 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,800 Speaker 2: Isn't it up for taking this? Ladies and gentlemen, give it. 771 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 4: Up for mister ed Helms. 772 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,760 Speaker 1: SNAFU is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Snapfoo Media, 773 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,280 Speaker 1: a partnership between Film Nation Entertainment and Pacific Electric Picture Company. 774 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: Our post production studio is Gilded Audio. Our executive producers 775 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: are me Ed Helms, Mike Falbo, Glenn Basner, Andy Kim Whitney, Donaldson, 776 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: and Dylan Fagan. This episode was produced by Alyssa Martino 777 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,400 Speaker 1: and Tory Smith. Our video editor is Jared Smith. Technical 778 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: direction and engineering from Nick Dooley. Our creative executive is 779 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,840 Speaker 1: Brett Harris. 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