Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth dett Zarren Bennett got a question for you, my girl. Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: you know it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do.
Speaker 2: You're gonna hit a brother with it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am hit you brother. Okay. So there's this
Speaker 3: restaurant called New York Fries that, oddly enough, is not
Speaker 3: located in New York.
Speaker 2: Do they sell fries?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a poutine place, like.
Speaker 2: The Canadian It's all over Canada.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all over Canada. But then they have all their
Speaker 3: outside Canada locations are like in UAE and Saudi Arabia
Speaker 3: and Panama.
Speaker 2: It's a brand. New York is a brand in this case.
Speaker 2: It gets like a stamp of theme.
Speaker 3: I guess, because I don't know what New York has
Speaker 3: to do with any of this.
Speaker 2: But they don't sell poutine. I mean, I guess. I'm
Speaker 2: sure they do somewhere, but New York is not known,
Speaker 2: not in.
Speaker 3: The least as far as I know, the big poutine.
Speaker 3: So a rude dude on Instagram ep Lovely Canadian pointed
Speaker 3: this out to me. They're having this twelve days of
Speaker 3: giveaways thing for the holidays. Okay, up the boxing day Yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: And on day five. On day five they have some
Speaker 3: prizes up for grabs and you have to be a
Speaker 3: Canadian resident that ended December fifteenth, whatevs. So you can
Speaker 3: win a hot dog dad hat. It just has a
Speaker 3: hot dog on it. But I guess it's a dad.
Speaker 2: Oh it's a dad hat, not a hot dog dad.
Speaker 3: I like hot dog dad. A hot dog neon sign
Speaker 3: a New York Fries loaded dog of choice, sure, because
Speaker 3: they have hot dogs hot dogs. And then there's this
Speaker 3: other item, a hot dog water candle.
Speaker 2: Wait what candle?
Speaker 3: When EP sent this to us, yeah, they circled that
Speaker 3: part in red. I'm sorry what but I went to
Speaker 3: I got onto Facebook. You don't have to be a
Speaker 3: Facebook member to look at this thing, but you can
Speaker 3: see their post for that day and all the comments
Speaker 3: have nothing to do with everyone, just like, oh I
Speaker 3: love a loaded dog.
Speaker 2: They just skip past, just like it's a normal thing.
Speaker 3: So I was trying to find this. It's from bad
Speaker 3: candle company hot dog water, and so I thought, okay,
Speaker 3: where could I get this? Sure to light it goes,
Speaker 3: sneak into your house and light it. So they have
Speaker 3: them on. It's a company has them on Etsy twenty five,
Speaker 3: twenty four ninety nine. The label says hot dog water,
Speaker 3: but apparently you pick from a drop down menu and
Speaker 3: it has regular sense. So this it's just the label
Speaker 3: that says hot dog water. Right, So like you can
Speaker 3: pick clean cotton sea salt and orchid white sage and
Speaker 3: lavender sold out zero and I'm so sorry Apple harvest,
Speaker 3: which just sounds hilacious. Sorry, bad candle company. And cinnamon
Speaker 3: vanilla also hilacious to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah why run cinnamon and vanilla together just like pick one?
Speaker 3: Well, it's like a snickerdoodle.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, so stop I thought about that. Thanks.
Speaker 3: So this bad candle company does hot dog water and
Speaker 3: it's just the label on the candles. I say, coward,
Speaker 3: make it into a real disgust.
Speaker 2: I don't want to know about this hot dog candle.
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be floating in the bath of me.
Speaker 2: Do I create a vibe?
Speaker 3: Well it looks like this.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so it's not I was picturing a hot
Speaker 2: dog shaped candle. It floats on top of the bath.
Speaker 3: This is for the folks hot dogs.
Speaker 2: Oh you know how they have the roses that you
Speaker 2: can light and they float.
Speaker 3: Do you do that?
Speaker 2: Well, you've seen those that do not. I don't even Well, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe once I was. I just needed a little special
Speaker 2: me time.
Speaker 3: It was in college.
Speaker 2: I had a couple four hundred bucks to spend. I
Speaker 2: dropped it on candles.
Speaker 3: I backed it up candles.
Speaker 2: Anyway, you know what what's else ridiculous?
Speaker 3: Yes, I would love to know what else is ridiculous?
Speaker 2: Hollywood? Well, yeah, yeah, you know that place is wild.
Speaker 2: I told you I used to work there, right, Like
Speaker 2: I have acted, I did TV shows, I was into movies.
Speaker 2: I did voice work for a cartoon ide some indie films.
Speaker 2: I shot music videos. I wrote scripts on spec I
Speaker 2: polished scripts for others for money. Of course, basically you
Speaker 2: can say I was an art mercenary, right like I
Speaker 2: would mark anything for a dollar. And I know I
Speaker 2: loved it. I love Hollywood and I learned about its
Speaker 2: ways with money, and I say, whole awareness. Hollywood is
Speaker 2: crazy with money. You just stupid with it, right, All
Speaker 2: the wrong people have the money or they control it. Right.
Speaker 2: If you stay in that town long enough, you'll surprise
Speaker 2: yourself with what you will do for money. I mean,
Speaker 2: just ask anyone hosts a game show. I mean they
Speaker 2: did not come down there to host a game show anyway.
Speaker 2: These days people are critical like Nepo babies. You hear
Speaker 2: a lot of that Nepo babies. Yeah right, And you
Speaker 2: make no mistake. Hollywood is a family business. That's one
Speaker 2: of its secrets. You learn real quick that in the
Speaker 2: place has a long memory but a quick turnover, which
Speaker 2: is interesting because you're like, oh, yeah, people come and go,
Speaker 2: but those who stay they remember right, yeah now, and
Speaker 2: they also know each other. You have to keep that
Speaker 2: in mind, right, which is ultimately why it's so hard
Speaker 2: to run a long con or become like a real
Speaker 2: good scammer in Hollywood. Oh okay, but it happens, of course.
Speaker 2: I mean, of course it happens often. It happens often, right,
Speaker 2: but usually those If you want to work as a
Speaker 2: scammer on Hollywood, you have to milk all the newcomers
Speaker 2: and all the egotists who just they don't know any
Speaker 2: about it, but they will pay you to tell them.
Speaker 2: You still have a chance to make it right right now.
Speaker 2: I know this all sounds a little dark and little sad.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that, but Hollywood it's a sunlit in
Speaker 2: no war town.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: You didn make no mistake. So, Elizabeth, you ready to
Speaker 2: talk Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Crime, Zarin, Yes I am.
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Speaker 2: Thank you now for this story, Elizabeth. A few different
Speaker 2: rude dudes send in this as a suggestion, this first one. Okay,
Speaker 2: thank you for that, all of you. Please keep them coming.
Speaker 2: We always dig your suggestions. Now, Elizabeth, I'd like you
Speaker 2: to meet Carl Eric Rinch.
Speaker 3: Carl Eric Rinch, Rinch like.
Speaker 2: R I N S c H. Not like a wretch
Speaker 2: wrench Yeah, no nch. Now he's been in newslately. You
Speaker 2: may have seen his name because he's been accused of
Speaker 2: ripping off Netflix. Oh, good for him, wasting their money
Speaker 2: on crypto and like on dope rides.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is this why they can't pay writers?
Speaker 2: Pretty much? This is where the money is going. So
Speaker 2: the New York Times they covered this saga recently with
Speaker 2: a November twenty second story rip from the headlines, Elizabeth Now.
Speaker 2: The story was entitled quote the Strange fifty five million
Speaker 2: dollar saga of a Netflix series you'll never see.
Speaker 3: Well that that's a large category.
Speaker 2: For you in particular.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, yeah, because I don't watch television, but don't
Speaker 3: they make Like aren't there tons of shows that get
Speaker 3: made but never make.
Speaker 2: It to air? Uh? For studios, Yes, the streamers didn't
Speaker 2: do that as much. This is kind of a big misstep.
Speaker 3: For they stand correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the studios have like you know, pilot season where
Speaker 2: they make a bunch of shows they test them the
Speaker 2: link to put the money into like one episode and
Speaker 2: try it maybe even two. But with streamers, they made
Speaker 2: a whole series. Okay, they shot the series and you're
Speaker 2: not going to see the series. Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I know people who're like, yeah, I'm in
Speaker 3: this TV show. It might be made. I've done a
Speaker 3: couple episodes, but then it never makes Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's that's very old traditional Hollywood. Now we're
Speaker 2: into oh new dumb money. Right. So anyway, the writer
Speaker 2: John Kerry, he did a fantastic job. Check out the story.
Speaker 2: He tracks all the mini twist turns of jaw dropping revelations.
Speaker 2: All right, So anyway, who is Carl Eric Rinch? I
Speaker 2: love to know all right, How did he get Netflix
Speaker 2: to give him fifty five million bucks? It's great question, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: Did you see the Cannu Reeves movie forty seven ronin?
Speaker 3: Yes you did, Yes, they did.
Speaker 2: What did you think of it?
Speaker 3: Vague memories. I'll just watch anything with Cannon Reeves in it.
Speaker 2: I know that about. That's why I guess you have
Speaker 2: seen this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen it, but golly, it was a while ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, well Carl Rinch he directed it.
Speaker 3: Oh you're kidding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I guess he's calling card movie. It
Speaker 2: was an astounding bomb at the box office.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the studio. I was alone in the theater.
Speaker 2: Or you I've been to a lot of movies where
Speaker 2: I was alone or with the one person I brought
Speaker 2: with me, and I have to apologize. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: or we're going to be in for a great show.
Speaker 2: It's just us so intimate. Anyway, studio had to write
Speaker 2: off a loss of one hundred and seventy five million bucks. Wow,
Speaker 2: that's what they lost. Yeah, ign I went to look
Speaker 2: for reviews because I saw this, but I didn't see
Speaker 2: it in the theater. I saw it like on HBr
Speaker 2: or whatever. Yeah, it's not really a fair way to
Speaker 2: see a movie, in my opinion, if you're going to
Speaker 2: review it, I mean you can't, but you don't get
Speaker 2: the full effect or what the filmmaker intended. Right, So
Speaker 2: IGN they saw it in the theaters and they gave
Speaker 2: it a six point one out of ten.
Speaker 3: That's better than fifty percent.
Speaker 2: That would be a D in school.
Speaker 3: That would be now.
Speaker 2: In their review of forty seven, Row and IGN described
Speaker 2: the film as quote a serviceable action movie that fails
Speaker 2: to either capture the emotional essence of the titular tale
Speaker 2: or bring anything genuinely fresh, invigorating, or memorable to its rendition,
Speaker 2: which is pretty much your review. I don't really.
Speaker 3: Remember, really remember exactly now.
Speaker 2: After further disparaging the film, reviewer conclude and I quote
Speaker 2: mildly entertaining and gorgeous to look at, forty seven Rownan
Speaker 2: has little beneath the surface to recommend it. There are
Speaker 2: a few good fights, though, well hey, yeah, that's actually
Speaker 2: how I described the city of Pittsburgh. Mildly entertaining and
Speaker 2: gorgeous to look.
Speaker 3: At, and some fights.
Speaker 2: So that's Philadelphia, that's anyway. So how does a filmmaker
Speaker 2: with one film to his name a film that lost
Speaker 2: its studio one hundred and seventy five million dollars and
Speaker 2: has reviews like this mildly entertaining, gorgeous to look at.
Speaker 2: How does he convince Netflix to give him a fresh
Speaker 2: fifty five mil.
Speaker 3: Well, here's another question I have for you. I've heard
Speaker 3: that sometimes studios will make bombs on purpose in order
Speaker 3: to get that as a write off as a loss.
Speaker 2: They will write off what they think is a bomb,
Speaker 2: but they won't make a bomb to lose money. But
Speaker 2: if once it's being made they realize he's going bad,
Speaker 2: then they start that process. Okay, So that's why you'll
Speaker 2: hear like films like the Boondock Saints guy when he
Speaker 2: there's a documentary about himHe Harvey Weinstein just tanks his
Speaker 2: movie because he does not personally like him, and he's
Speaker 2: making the movie for Harvey Weinstein, which is a terrible
Speaker 2: mistake to turn on the producer of your film, regardless
Speaker 2: of part of why he seems a terrible person. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying it's bad business. This guy comes into Hollywood,
Speaker 2: he's like, Oh, I'm gonna be the man, right, and
Speaker 2: he learns a terrible lesson, which is you do not
Speaker 2: piss off the one man that controls if your movie
Speaker 2: goes to theaters.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he was willing to tank it because he
Speaker 2: can write it off as a loss. So they always
Speaker 2: have that option. Okay, right, and that's why you see
Speaker 2: it currently being done. But that guy for Wonder Brothers
Speaker 2: and is an idiot, like I'm not going to get anyway.
Speaker 2: The answer is Elizabeth market dynamics, baby dynastics. Why let's see,
Speaker 2: I put it into market speak, so you know all
Speaker 2: about supply and demand, right, and now in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: the streamers, they tried to meet this growing demand for
Speaker 2: new films and series. So what do they do? They go, oh,
Speaker 2: we don't know what's good, so let's just throw insane
Speaker 2: amounts of money at things. Right. I don't know, I
Speaker 2: guess that was the answer. Yeah, right. So Carl Rinch,
Speaker 2: he had a series to pitch at this time, perfectly
Speaker 2: timed for him, the streamers were eager to take a meeting.
Speaker 2: His project is this sci fi series about artificial humans
Speaker 2: that will eventually turned on their human creator. Everybody loves that.
Speaker 2: Takes a whirlwind series of meetings. He goes over to
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos' company because Amazon is getting into it, the
Speaker 2: Amazon Prime stuff. They offer him an eight figure agreement
Speaker 2: to bring the series to Amazon. Wow, yeah, Netlow, here's
Speaker 2: about this and they're like, uh oh baby. Before Rinch
Speaker 2: could put pen to paper on the Amazon deal, Netflix
Speaker 2: backed up the money truck and offered the filmmaker even
Speaker 2: more cash. So he gets an eight figure offer. Now
Speaker 2: they call him at home on a Sunday and Netflix
Speaker 2: not only offered him money, they offered him control, which
Speaker 2: is whatever the filmmaker wants, right, So they offer the
Speaker 2: filmmaker creative control, which means he gets final cut. He
Speaker 2: you know, that's huge, Like you have to be like,
Speaker 2: you know, like James Cameron to get final cut. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Netflix puts in writing that he would also be attached
Speaker 2: to any future spin offs or reboots. He's locked into
Speaker 2: the series. Yeah yeah, right, so he's like stan Lee
Speaker 2: on This World or whatever. Anyway, so the final deal
Speaker 2: fifty five million. They offer him that big paycheck. It
Speaker 2: made business headlines, but it also apparently made business sense
Speaker 2: at the time because Netflix, in that capitalist way, that
Speaker 2: their new show would spawn a whole creative universe. Right,
Speaker 2: this is an initial investment. His ideas got legs right. So, now,
Speaker 2: armed with this unheard level of control, the promise of
Speaker 2: future involvement a huge payday, what does Carl Rinch do?
Speaker 3: Does not make the show.
Speaker 2: He opted to never finish a single episode, instead just
Speaker 2: pocket the money. So, according to many of those who
Speaker 2: cared for him or were close to him, as soon
Speaker 2: as he signed the deal with Netflix, it goes like
Speaker 2: a switch was hit. He just just changed immediately, just
Speaker 2: and whatever occurred inside of him, he was a new
Speaker 2: Carl Rinch multimillionaire. So it's not like you started big
Speaker 2: timing people. I don't mean that he I mean he
Speaker 2: did do that, but what I mean is more like
Speaker 2: he became untethered from reality a right. So, for instance,
Speaker 2: he began to tell people that he could predict when
Speaker 2: and where lightning strikes would occur.
Speaker 3: Wait, yes, okay, yes.
Speaker 2: And also he discovered that how COVID nineteen was being
Speaker 2: transmitted via a secret conduit of nature. Oh it wasn't
Speaker 2: He Also he grew extremely, like a really overconfident about
Speaker 2: his ability to discern patterns in the stock market. So
Speaker 2: he took a bunch of Netflix's money and he dropped
Speaker 2: it onto the Dow Jones and the Nasdaq and so forth,
Speaker 2: and you know, then he also he bought a bunch
Speaker 2: of crypto, because that's another good bet. He bought himself
Speaker 2: a Rolls Royce because now he needs to roll around
Speaker 2: town looking like you know, clean bought himself a new wardrobe.
Speaker 2: Same reason. He became that guy in Hollywood, like the
Speaker 2: old film producer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like almost like it that that money
Speaker 3: payday triggered a mild psychosis.
Speaker 2: I think, so yeah, I'm thinking it's like something just
Speaker 2: either he'd always wanted this and finally now he just released.
Speaker 2: You know, I always talk about like pulling back the
Speaker 2: bowstring on a bow, right, having that arrow, just all
Speaker 2: that tension, all of a sudden, the money released it.
Speaker 2: That arrow is flying. So now wherever it's going is
Speaker 2: where it's going, right anyway, So he's got all the trappings,
Speaker 2: all the tastes of outside success with none of the work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, sounds great.
Speaker 2: He found the secret, Elizabeth, they talked about the secret.
Speaker 2: This is the secret, not anyway, but of course the
Speaker 2: eventually we come court proceedings. So he didn't really find
Speaker 2: the secret. But whatever, if you can believe it, Carl Wrinch,
Speaker 2: he took Netflix to court. He's the one.
Speaker 3: Oh he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. He's suing them right now, me sue you? Yeah,
Speaker 2: So what's his reason? How could he possibly? He says
Speaker 2: they didn't.
Speaker 3: Give him enough money, that's why he didn't make it.
Speaker 2: He claims that Netflix needs to give him another fourteen million.
Speaker 3: Dollars in order to finish this.
Speaker 2: Hey man, I don't know. Anyway, he says, they're contractually obligated.
Speaker 2: That's what he's saying. So obviously, Netflix's legal response was
Speaker 2: are you fing high? Like? How do we owe you money?
Speaker 2: Are you for real? Right now? The long those but
Speaker 2: in legal tras, Okay, I don't know how you put
Speaker 2: that in. It was like party of the first part,
Speaker 2: are you fing high? Party of the second part? Something
Speaker 2: like that. Anyway, how do we get here? How does
Speaker 2: how did this dude end up being the one suing Netflix?
Speaker 2: How does he have such brass one? I am desperate
Speaker 2: to know Hollywood, baby. Now, there's another key component of
Speaker 2: Hollywood we haven't discussed yet. It's a big part of
Speaker 2: the machines function. We call it hype.
Speaker 3: The yeah that you can convince people that things are me.
Speaker 2: Runs on it. Yeah, yeah, exactly, you know, walking around nude,
Speaker 2: going look at me baby. Now, some folks they learn
Speaker 2: how to manipulate hype to their benefit. That brings us
Speaker 2: to mister Wrench was his real secret. So before we
Speaker 2: dive into his backstory, let's take a little break. Now
Speaker 2: that I've wet your whistle, we'll get back and see
Speaker 2: how these millions get spent. All right, Elizabeth, Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: we're back, ready for some backstory. I'll keep it on
Speaker 2: all film like you know. We're gonna the backstory now, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's see if.
Speaker 3: Confier the prequel exactly.
Speaker 2: Let's see if a good fare ferret out some answers
Speaker 2: to this man's audacity. There's gotta be some reason he's
Speaker 2: doing it. Can't just be purely psychosis or what is
Speaker 2: driving the psychosis? What is here anyway? Carl Rinch born
Speaker 2: in sunny San Fernando Valley, just over the hill from Hollywood. Exactly.
Speaker 2: He's like Tim Burton. He's like looking over the hill
Speaker 2: this whole time, dreaming about one day. Anyway, and his teens,
Speaker 2: he shot little films once again, like Tim Burton or Spielberg.
Speaker 2: Another one he went off to one of the Ivys
Speaker 2: for college who went to Brown University after school, flies
Speaker 2: back to la starts his film career. Everything so far
Speaker 2: going apace. He gets a job working for Ridley Scott.
Speaker 2: Boom boom boom. Yeah, he gets to work for his
Speaker 2: production company, but the one that mostly shoots commercials. A
Speaker 2: lot of the most film directors they have a production
Speaker 2: company that shoots commercials, and that's a great way to
Speaker 2: get your start. Film people working for those people shooting
Speaker 2: their commercials. They have to make money.
Speaker 3: Some true crime documentary that I can't recall recently, you
Speaker 3: know my memory, but I remember it was produced by
Speaker 3: Ridley Scott.
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't, all, yeah, totally. He's like I'm saying,
Speaker 2: the filmmakers are way more than just the stuff you see.
Speaker 2: They have to now. I mean, he has become an
Speaker 2: urgent need for the longest time, like all of them,
Speaker 2: Steven Soderberg, they all like shoot commercials on the side
Speaker 2: or have a production company that handles stuff. Yeah, you know. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So point being around this time, folks note that Carl
Speaker 2: Rench he had an interesting pass that he would describe.
Speaker 2: He always kept it in mysterious terms. Right. He said
Speaker 2: his father had been a spy. He said he grew
Speaker 2: up in Africa. This gave him a certain international air here. Right,
Speaker 2: So in twenty ten he shoots his own film. Finally
Speaker 2: things start to work for him. It's a commercial though,
Speaker 2: for the company Phillips, the European company. Right, so the
Speaker 2: short it's a short film, but it's an ad anyway.
Speaker 2: It wins an award at CON's but not the CONS
Speaker 2: Film Festival, the cons Advertising Festival. But if he wins,
Speaker 2: all right, So this paves his way into a Hollywood
Speaker 2: director seat. Boom boom boom. First project, he picks forty
Speaker 2: seven ronin film Yeah, look great, but it had no heart,
Speaker 2: no center. We've covered that right. One of the producers,
Speaker 2: Scott Stuber, he battled this first time director and tried
Speaker 2: to bring him to heal and at some point Rynch
Speaker 2: he gets barred from the editing bay, like he loses
Speaker 2: control of his film. Yeah, the film it premiered on
Speaker 2: Christmas Day in twenty thirteen, and as we can covered,
Speaker 2: Colossal Failure loses one hundred and seventy five million smash
Speaker 2: cut five years later.
Speaker 3: Well and Christmas Day is like an important opening, like, well,
Speaker 3: you know that's a film that they believe it they're
Speaker 3: putting a big marketing in like August.
Speaker 2: No exactly, A good call, thank you, no smash cut.
Speaker 2: Five years later, after making commercials for a few years,
Speaker 2: Rinch now finds himself back in the good graces of Hollywood.
Speaker 2: He's worked his way back to he makes really pretty pictures.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe he can direct anyway, but not the
Speaker 2: film studios because remember, like I said, long memory, it's
Speaker 2: now the new streamers and they're looking for stuff. His
Speaker 2: stuff looks good. They're like this, this guy's great.
Speaker 3: Well, they're like tech disruptors. They're going to try and
Speaker 3: do it. They think they're going to do it in
Speaker 3: a better way that's already been proven to.
Speaker 2: And they love a shiny thing that moves fast, so
Speaker 2: the wrench. At this point, he's married. He's got an
Speaker 2: Uruguayan fashion designer, model Gabriella. Now together they came up
Speaker 2: with this new idea for the series and she's his
Speaker 2: creative partner. The story it focused on the new species
Speaker 2: called quote organic intelligence. Okay, so this is oh I
Speaker 2: all right? So they originally they're there designed to respond
Speaker 2: compassionately and efficiently to humanitarian crises, disasters, human needs of
Speaker 2: all kinds, the new species. Of course, so eventually turns
Speaker 2: on us, and you know, and they try to wipe
Speaker 2: out humanity, and of course the idea being that we
Speaker 2: cause all the problems that OI must fix. So the
Speaker 2: solution's obvious, fix the problem with the source. So anyway
Speaker 2: you can hear the sci fi potential. It's like Battlestar
Speaker 2: Galactica meets I Robots. Okay, right, So potential buyers they
Speaker 2: could see that for themselves. They're like, oh, dollar signs, boom,
Speaker 2: I love this now, Rinch. He ends up. He pays
Speaker 2: for a small shoot to make sure that they can
Speaker 2: really see the potential, not just hear the idea and
Speaker 2: imagine the potential, but see it moving and looks slick
Speaker 2: and sexy. He hires European actors and actresses. They shoot
Speaker 2: footage in far flowing places Kenya, Romania. The shoots they
Speaker 2: were punishing, one actor allegedly caught hypotherbia had to be hospitalized.
Speaker 2: He runs a rough set from what I understand. So
Speaker 2: despite the difficulties setbacks, Rinch he believes in his projects.
Speaker 2: He seeks help. He turns over to thirty West. That's
Speaker 2: a production company. It's run by a billionaire mmmm. Anyway,
Speaker 2: billionaire's name is Dan Freakin. Money gets advanced, project goes
Speaker 2: on and then Rinch. He misses a deadline. He misses
Speaker 2: another deadline, freaking in his company thirty West. They're like,
Speaker 2: it's our project now, and they started trying to, like,
Speaker 2: you know, claim to it. They threaten over to seize
Speaker 2: the project, take it over, you know, the bond company
Speaker 2: or whatever. That all the stuff you hear, So Rinch.
Speaker 2: He turns an old friend for help. Enter Keanu reech
Speaker 2: Man is like a living like Labrador retriever, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. He's just so good.
Speaker 3: He's a very good friend of mine. Yes, and I
Speaker 3: say that because if you say things enough, it manifest totally.
Speaker 3: So one day I will be good friends with Keanu Reeed.
Speaker 2: There you go. You're gonna make it. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: So your close personal friend counter Reep. Yes, as you know, sweetheart.
Speaker 2: He comes on board as a producer, invests in his
Speaker 2: friends project. Things start looking good again. He helps him
Speaker 2: make his deadlines. He now picks up the money gaps.
Speaker 2: Everything works resuming. Six shorts are produced. They're all like
Speaker 2: four to ten minutes long, so you can get an idea.
Speaker 2: This is what he takes to Amazon and Netflix and
Speaker 2: Apple TV.
Speaker 3: A sizzle reel. Is that what that is?
Speaker 2: No, it's a little smaller, but this will be like basically,
Speaker 2: you're showing them the potential and you want to show
Speaker 2: that you really invested. So yeah, you've created kind of
Speaker 2: like a spec project.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a little peak exactly. So this is what
Speaker 3: he used. Just kills me.
Speaker 2: Those are a little shorter, a couple of minutes long.
Speaker 2: They show you that anyway, So he starts a bidding war.
Speaker 2: They're all excited. The project looks amazing, ok I said,
Speaker 2: everybody big money. Netflix wins a bidding more. They immediately
Speaker 2: renamed the project con Quest whatever. This is now over
Speaker 2: at this point where in November twenty eighteenth.
Speaker 3: What was it originally named?
Speaker 2: He didn't really have a name for it. He talks
Speaker 2: about the organic intelligence okay, right, and you had like
Speaker 2: he wanted it to be something other than Conquest.
Speaker 3: That sounds like a sixties seventies television show one hour procedural.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I only liked it when the Jack White
Speaker 2: did it as a song like that's yeah, definitely. But anyway,
Speaker 2: the streamer planned to debut in the new series twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two. He's got basically three years to make it
Speaker 2: because it's November twenty eighteen at this point. They want
Speaker 2: to release it in twenty twenty two, plenty of time
Speaker 2: to make the whole series. Meanwhile, working at Netflix is
Speaker 2: Rynch's old producer, Scott Stuber. Yeah right, he's in the
Speaker 2: movie division at Netflix, though not the team serious division,
Speaker 2: so no one asked him what he thought of the deal.
Speaker 2: He didn't hear about it. Of course, his opinion probably
Speaker 2: would have saved them a lot of money, so the streamers,
Speaker 2: they don't benefit from Hollywood's long memory. Instead of the
Speaker 2: project gets greenlit, Netflix wired Rinch the money to get started,
Speaker 2: and the project now known as Conquest. It starts shooting
Speaker 2: in Brazil. Not only that, it has multiple international locales.
Speaker 2: You got people far flung. There's shoots in Budapest, Hungary,
Speaker 2: locations in Uruguay. I guess so she can see your family.
Speaker 2: I don't know any As a shoot goes, Netflix starts
Speaker 2: to hear complaints, accusations, So backchatter right. The filmmaker Rinch
Speaker 2: is apparently he's angered the unions. The union reps report
Speaker 2: to that Rinch has been quote mistreating the team, and
Speaker 2: he has been quick with the cursing and shouts and
Speaker 2: other expressions of excessive irritation. So Netflix they contact Rinch.
Speaker 2: They're like, hey, man, calm down the unit. We don't
Speaker 2: need this. Yeah, exactly, all right, so I meanwhile, back
Speaker 2: on set, Rynch is spiraling. At this point in Buddapest,
Speaker 2: he accuses his wife of hiring assassins to have him killed.
Speaker 2: H oh yeah, his things are going bad, right, so
Speaker 2: Netflix has no idea. But anyway, in response, he starts
Speaker 2: gobbling up the ants or vy ants, the pills. They
Speaker 2: it's a type of prescribed amphetamine. Huh yeah. So the
Speaker 2: side effects of this drug ar mania, delarium, psychosis. It's
Speaker 2: just a winner drug, you know. Just so it's like
Speaker 2: throwing fire on top of already blazing fire, not just
Speaker 2: get and then like you threw some gasoline in just
Speaker 2: because you want to see the two really get along.
Speaker 2: So so now that he's like, you know, claiming his
Speaker 2: wife's trying to have assassins kill him, she reaches out
Speaker 2: to family, friends, people who care about him. They decide,
Speaker 2: let's doge an intervention. Good you know, good for them,
Speaker 2: right if you sometimes, Oh yeah, I've had to be there.
Speaker 2: And now, despite his allegations that she's trying to have
Speaker 2: him assassinated, wife lovingly does this right. She invites Kana
Speaker 2: Reeves to come and talk to his old friend. He
Speaker 2: shows up, like, I said, good guy. Now they together,
Speaker 2: they all convinced Rinch he needs to go to rehab.
Speaker 2: He needs to accept help, right, he needs to get
Speaker 2: his life back together while he has this project going.
Speaker 2: He says, you're you know what, guys, I got too
Speaker 2: much work right now to do all that, all that
Speaker 2: rehab you're talking about. Yeah, but how about this. I
Speaker 2: will hire a sober companion and I will just have
Speaker 2: like a one man rehab move around with me, and
Speaker 2: they'll keep me. This is like what Judge John Belushi
Speaker 2: did at the end. He actually had a I think
Speaker 2: it was Joe Walsh from the Eagles as his sober compaign.
Speaker 3: My god. Anyways, like the last person.
Speaker 2: This is guys supposed to keep him on the right path. Right.
Speaker 2: So a few days later he fires a sober companion.
Speaker 2: He's like, I can't hang with this guy. He won't
Speaker 2: let me get high. You know whatever. I don't know,
Speaker 2: he said. Now. In a few months later, COVID hits.
Speaker 2: So now his production gets shut down for a moment,
Speaker 2: they take a pause. He tried to figure out how
Speaker 2: they're gonna move on. Eventually the productions get back to
Speaker 2: work with masks and regulations and so forth. He's still
Speaker 2: finishing this series on a twenty twenty two deadline. Nothing
Speaker 2: has changed about that. Netflix is like, we gave you
Speaker 2: the money, but give us a show.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So at this point, Netflix has sunk forty four million
Speaker 2: dollars to the series. They've they've left out a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know, for finishing funds or for the back half.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the payment schedule was. Anyway. Rinch
Speaker 2: also at this point has blown numerous deadlines. Once again,
Speaker 2: he's back on you know, hey, what's the deadline? So
Speaker 2: what is dude? What do you think? Netflix says when
Speaker 2: Rinch comes to them and says a need more money.
Speaker 2: This is not him now later suing, but in the
Speaker 2: process he goes, hey, I need more money. They say, well,
Speaker 2: can we see a script? What are we dealing with?
Speaker 2: They don't even know what he's shooting. So the series,
Speaker 2: which they'd originally agreed to, was planned to be thirteen
Speaker 2: episodes long. So now Rinch wants to make it twice
Speaker 2: as long, so with a second season. So Netflix is like, yeah, okay, sure,
Speaker 2: we'll send you more.
Speaker 3: Money about second season.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, this case, they actually go for it. They're like,
Speaker 2: oh that's fine, Yeah, we like it second season. So
Speaker 2: they send him more money, I mean like a lot
Speaker 2: more money. They send him eleven million dollars.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: They wire him the cash. What does he do with it?
Speaker 2: He needed this money. He pulls it out of the
Speaker 2: escrow account and he invested in crypto in the stock market.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: He drops ten point five million of the eleven million
Speaker 2: dollars into his sh Charles Schwab account, and he decides
Speaker 2: to play the options market, because that's always a saft. No.
Speaker 2: He places a bunch of risky bets. For instance, he
Speaker 2: buys shares of a Gilliad Sciences. Well that was not
Speaker 2: bad good, Yeah, a good call, right, But he's convince
Speaker 2: they're about to make a bundle on a new anti
Speaker 2: viral COVID drug, but others beat them to market, so
Speaker 2: he lost a bunch. He also bet on Standard and
Speaker 2: Poors indecks the S and P five hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A few weeks later he'd lost five point nine million
Speaker 2: of the eleven million. At this point, he also loses
Speaker 2: his wife. So she's like, what I've had it up
Speaker 2: to here. I tried the intervention. Now you get the money,
Speaker 2: we get the project going. What do you do you buy?
Speaker 3: And so he sat through an intervention.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, total yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, not fun.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: In June twenty twenty, wife and Rinch they try to
Speaker 2: make a last dish. Can we pull the marriage and
Speaker 2: this project We've worked so hard? Can we get them
Speaker 2: all back on road? They take a drive through the
Speaker 2: Hollywood Hills. They're up thereack on maul Holland and he's
Speaker 2: gazing down at the city below, and then he looks
Speaker 2: up at the planes above and he tells his wife
Speaker 2: that those are not planes, those are UFOs and they're
Speaker 2: actually quote organic intelligent forces and they he's communicating with them,
Speaker 2: and she's.
Speaker 3: Like, oh oh, he's still popping them pills.
Speaker 2: Yes. Around the same time he texts his wife he
Speaker 2: shows a little secret. This is when he tells her
Speaker 2: he's like, hey, baby, you know I can predict a
Speaker 2: lightning strikes. You just want to be careful coming up right.
Speaker 2: And he's also, I now can predict volcanoes. So he's
Speaker 2: moving on. Yeah, he's got you know, volcanology under his belt.
Speaker 2: And so in July, his wife's like, Okay, I want
Speaker 2: to divorce you. This is rap. Not only that she
Speaker 2: informs Netflix that her husband is unhinged because he's our
Speaker 2: business partner. They're cheaesy on so she's like, he's on balance,
Speaker 2: he's unlikely to finish the production. Netflix exacts are like,
Speaker 2: huh uh, we had noticed some strange behavior. Now, when
Speaker 2: I say strange behavior, they had received emails where he's like, quote,
Speaker 2: the coronavirus signal is emanating from within the earth. And
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, that is kind of some strange behavior.
Speaker 2: But you know how creatives are, so yeah, and uh,
Speaker 2: things get better if you will, or worse. However, you
Speaker 2: want to look at it for Netflix because you might
Speaker 2: think this would spell the beginning of the end of
Speaker 2: this project at Netflix. One. We think they were going
Speaker 2: to put this into turn and around, like they're going
Speaker 2: to put a pause on it. You would be wrong.
Speaker 2: Why because of the high turnover. Remember I mentioned earlier. Well,
Speaker 2: Netflix reshuffled its executives and they got rid of the
Speaker 2: executive who'd brought the project in and they and the
Speaker 2: one who sent them all the money she leaves Netflix.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So at this point, the new executive who's now in
Speaker 2: charge of Kong quest can we see the footage, because
Speaker 2: like I'm now in charge, And his wife's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: he's got the footage. And if I ask him for that,
Speaker 2: he may do things you don't. He may come down
Speaker 2: to your office. You don't want that, right, And they're
Speaker 2: like really, and he's like, oh yeah, he's fully paranoid delusional,
Speaker 2: Like oh okay, well that's cool. Then. So Netflix sikes
Speaker 2: the other route. They informed the production that they're going
Speaker 2: to need their money back, so they like, can we
Speaker 2: get our fifty five mil back? And so at this
Speaker 2: point is now March twenty twenty one, and things have
Speaker 2: changed for the streaming wars the subscribers. At this point,
Speaker 2: the numbers installed in some cases hard need to go down.
Speaker 2: As New York Times reported, Netflix came to the conclusion
Speaker 2: quote after a lot of time and effort, he became
Speaker 2: clear that mister Rinch was never going to complete the
Speaker 2: project he'd agreed to make, and so we wrote the
Speaker 2: project off. They went the round of you're now attacks
Speaker 2: right off? Yeah. Yeah, So the streamer informed Gabriella and
Speaker 2: thus Wrench that they were free to shop the project around.
Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, and if they can find a new buyer,
Speaker 2: the new acquirer will have to give us fifty five
Speaker 2: million dollars.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Oh, So that did not sit well with Carl Rinch,
Speaker 2: So he sends back a flurry of hotly worded emails.
Speaker 2: All right, and he addressed the elephant in the room,
Speaker 2: his sanity, and he wrote to Netflix to state it simply,
Speaker 2: I am of sound mind and body. At the point
Speaker 2: you're telling people that in an email, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: say that if.
Speaker 3: You have to try and argue the fact that you
Speaker 3: know you got it together.
Speaker 2: And you're not telling it in person, you're doing it
Speaker 2: in email, it's like ten times worse good. Anyway. So
Speaker 2: to his credit, he was looking crazy, but crazy like
Speaker 2: a fox. You see. While he lost a ton in
Speaker 2: the stock market, he also made a huge windfall on
Speaker 2: his crypto bed Oh yeah, because he purchased a bunch
Speaker 2: of doge coin and he invested four million dollars into
Speaker 2: doge coin. But it turned out I guess this is
Speaker 2: what an elon was helping to pump and dump it.
Speaker 2: He sold off his holdings. His four million had bloomed
Speaker 2: into twenty seven million wow hours on the come up.
Speaker 3: So did he pull it out?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, he pulled it out and he wrote in
Speaker 2: some crypto forum I found He's like, thank you and
Speaker 2: God blessed crypto. So at this point he could have
Speaker 2: paid Netflix at least half of their money back. So
Speaker 2: what does he do, Elizabeth? He remember he's getting divorced, right,
Speaker 2: So what does he do?
Speaker 3: Oh he pays nothing to anybody?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So, as soon to be ex wife Gabriella,
Speaker 2: she hired a forensic accountant who unearthed the whole trail
Speaker 2: of where all the money went, because it wasn't like
Speaker 2: he was hiding it. Well, so, according to The New
Speaker 2: York Times, Wrench purchased quote five rolls royces a ferrari a,
Speaker 2: three hundred and eighty seven thousand, six hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: dollars Vacheron Constantine watch and millions of dollars worth of
Speaker 2: high end furniture and designer clothing wow final sum eight
Speaker 2: point seven million dollars. To his wife's lawyers, he claimed
Speaker 2: that the money was not his and that this the cars,
Speaker 2: the wardrobe, even the watch the furniture. They were all
Speaker 2: props for conquests and thus they belonged to Netflix and
Speaker 2: they cannot be part of any divorce agreement.
Speaker 3: Well, then the Netflix is like, can we have it back?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Mean. On his arbitration with Netflix's lawyers, he argued
Speaker 2: that the money is his and that not only that,
Speaker 2: Netflix is contractually obligated to owe him fourteen more million dollars.
Speaker 2: So Netflix's lawyers held the position, we disagree, and at
Speaker 2: this point the parties are They're still in court. So
Speaker 2: in July this year, Netflix's lawyers argued that any Money's
Speaker 2: promised to wrench were contingent on his meeting production scheduled deadlines,
Speaker 2: which he's thus far blown or ignored. Personally, I'm betting
Speaker 2: on Netflix to win this one. What do you think, Elizabeth?
Speaker 3: I would second that.
Speaker 2: Now, since we don't have closure on this story, I
Speaker 2: thought i'd share another tale of con artist who tried
Speaker 2: to finesse Netflix for millions. Only this next cat he
Speaker 2: pretended he was in business with Netflix so he could
Speaker 2: convince investors that he had their back. Now, how do
Speaker 2: you think that played out? I'll give you a hint.
Speaker 2: He's on this show. So let's take a little break
Speaker 2: and we'll be right back and I'll tell you the
Speaker 2: story of Adam Joyner.
Speaker 3: All right, Elizabeth, Yes, Aaron, we're back.
Speaker 2: Yes, Elizabeth, I'd like you to meet my friend and neighbor,
Speaker 2: Adam Joyner.
Speaker 3: Hi, Adam, that's not real, it's familiar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you know I covered this
Speaker 2: guy's story as a journalist and maybe you heard me
Speaker 2: talking about it in the past. I went to court
Speaker 2: and I sat there as he had to face justice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got to watch his moments, right, and having seen
Speaker 2: his old vibe in person, I'm super surprised that he
Speaker 2: thought he could pull this off. I'm just saying that,
Speaker 2: right anyway, Adam Johner, dude thirty eight to forty one
Speaker 2: throughout this right, So anyway, late thirties, early forties, Okay,
Speaker 2: So he was your typical Hollywood hopeful, right. He came
Speaker 2: to town with an idea for a film, and he
Speaker 2: firmly believed he just needed to find a few investors,
Speaker 2: a Hollywood insider, someone who give him a chance, someone
Speaker 2: who could shepherd his film through the production process, and
Speaker 2: then boom, boom boom, he'd be the newest Hollywood hit filmmaker,
Speaker 2: right the success story Now, Adam Joiner is from my
Speaker 2: neck of the woods. He went to Oakmont High School
Speaker 2: in Roseville, California. He had graduated in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2: He started out life not far from my hometown of Davis.
Speaker 2: Reading about this cat, he reminded me of dudes that
Speaker 2: I grew up with. I felt like I know this guy, right.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Adam Joyner has his idea for a film.
Speaker 2: We'll let you know. That's not right. It was his
Speaker 2: brother's idea. His brother had an idea for a film,
Speaker 2: and his brother wrote up a feature script for this
Speaker 2: story he called Legends, and according to IMDb, the would
Speaker 2: be film was going to be an anachronistic mashup of
Speaker 2: legendary and historical figures from nineteenth century America, such as
Speaker 2: Davy Crockett, Calamity Jane, Paul Bunyan, and John Henry. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a lot right, Do with that what you will.
Speaker 2: But as far as ideas go, it's kind of cute,
Speaker 2: you know, and as an elevator pitch, it leaves you wondering, well,
Speaker 2: what would that even look like? What would that be?
Speaker 2: Which is what you want from a good pitch and
Speaker 2: it kind of sounds like a film anyway. So September four,
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, Adam Joyner incorporates a production company, Dark Planet Pictures,
Speaker 2: and then he goes looking for money. One year later
Speaker 2: he gets look. He meets a man who takes them seriously.
Speaker 2: And this man's name is John Yee. Now, John Yee
Speaker 2: is he works for a Korean investment firm. He was
Speaker 2: curious about this film project and he's like, this sounds
Speaker 2: like this could go it's got legs and Joiners like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, totally man. So this is because Joiner is
Speaker 2: lying to him right, and he's telling him he has
Speaker 2: a distribution agreement with Netflix, and he's just looking for investors.
Speaker 2: None of the guys sparking to his idea, He's sparking
Speaker 2: to the conditions of his idea. Yes, now he is intrigued,
Speaker 2: and he approaches an investment guy he knows Paul Huh
Speaker 2: and his buddy Paul works at Korea Investment Partners Company
Speaker 2: or KIP, and there who ends up investing in this
Speaker 2: project and projects like this. I've worked with Korean investors
Speaker 2: like this. So paulha He's located in Korea Joiners in California.
Speaker 2: They primarily talk over emails a few phone calls. September ninth,
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, Joiner emails Paul and hefors him quote, things
Speaker 2: have begun to pick up steam with Netflix as a
Speaker 2: potential investor in the film. I have another meeting with
Speaker 2: them this week. Now that sets the hook. Three days later,
Speaker 2: he emails them again. He gives a little yank on
Speaker 2: the line. He writes to Paul on Netflix, had another
Speaker 2: good meeting with them yesterday and expect to receive a
Speaker 2: contract from them by the end of the week. So
Speaker 2: none of this is true or even remotely likely to
Speaker 2: come true. It was what we in the story industry
Speaker 2: call a lie. Now, what I've been in this position,
Speaker 2: like I not the lying part, but I've been in
Speaker 2: business was Korean investors. In fact, the company that helped start.
Speaker 2: We merged with a Korean company. I know these investors
Speaker 2: very well. A lot of paperwork and due diligence is done.
Speaker 2: They're not fly by the night, at least it was
Speaker 2: the case for us. Now we had distribution deals in place,
Speaker 2: so we had to show them this. We had to email.
Speaker 2: We did exactly what he pretends to do now. In
Speaker 2: terms of independent, non studio backed Hollywood distribution deals go,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you're familiar with them. It often
Speaker 2: plays out like this. A production company will secure a
Speaker 2: distribution deal with domestic or possibly foreign distributors before a
Speaker 2: single frame has been shot, before actors have been cast anything,
Speaker 2: and then the company will they take this guaranteed distribution
Speaker 2: agreement around to like groups of dentists or whatever, and
Speaker 2: they raise money and then they're willing to kick on
Speaker 2: on this high risk investment. And then once you get
Speaker 2: the movie going, the studios will then come along and
Speaker 2: purchase that. That's how an indie film gets picked up.
Speaker 2: So do you make the movie up with other people's
Speaker 2: money and then studio basically recoups and now the investors
Speaker 2: get that first bit and then they also get will
Speaker 2: get money if it goes to theaters, so it's good
Speaker 2: for them, but not all movies get picked up, so
Speaker 2: they're betting on you can get it through the process.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't unusual for Joinder to be doing business
Speaker 2: the way he's doing it. Right, the Korean investors are like, sure, okay,
Speaker 2: so show us the deal if you have a deal.
Speaker 2: He did not have a deal now. He hoped his
Speaker 2: lives would eventually catch up to reality. That was I
Speaker 2: think his goal now. The in Korean investors they were
Speaker 2: going to wire him millions of dollars for a production,
Speaker 2: so they asked for confirmation of the deal with Netflix,
Speaker 2: and Paul wrote to Joiner, per our conversation, please ask
Speaker 2: someone at Netflix affects it again tomorrow and also send
Speaker 2: it to the gmail's account below from Netflix domain email.
Speaker 2: Very clear at this point joyners so close to the
Speaker 2: money he can practically smell it. So he just needs
Speaker 2: to send over one email, and so he does. April seven,
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, a fax arrives in Korea. The cover letter
Speaker 2: says that it serves two quote confirm and agreement between
Speaker 2: Netflix Inc. And Dark Planet Pictures LLC. Executed on March
Speaker 2: thirty first, twenty six team. The facts is signed by
Speaker 2: a man with the title of Vice President Business and
Speaker 2: Legal Affairs, Content Acquisition for Netflix. Okay, right, And to
Speaker 2: further seal the deal, Joiner forwards an email from this
Speaker 2: same Netflix executive. The email arrives send from a Netflix
Speaker 2: email domain. In the forwarded email is the distribution agreement
Speaker 2: and it's signed by a third Netflix executive billed as
Speaker 2: the chief content officer. It all looks legit, right, not
Speaker 2: that hard to fake though, I can just tell you
Speaker 2: that right now. Yes, So to fully set the hook,
Speaker 2: Joiner forwards an email from a second Netflix executive, also
Speaker 2: from a Netflix domain account, obviously, and the exec says,
Speaker 2: looking forward to making this movie.
Speaker 3: Wait, so he's forwarding. They're notrect forwarding emails.
Speaker 2: So due to the opaque nature of business in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: Paul and his Korean investment firms they can't really confirm
Speaker 2: who these Netflix are and who would be involved, who
Speaker 2: would be in charge. So they're relying on these forwarded
Speaker 2: email chains for veracity, and also the faxes and the
Speaker 2: signed distribution. It looks pretty good on paper. When there's
Speaker 2: a bunch of them together in conglomerate, it looks legitimate.
Speaker 2: Day of deliberation later, the Korean investment firm signs an
Speaker 2: investment deal with Joiner. The investment is eight million dollars.
Speaker 2: A week later, the first half of the investment is
Speaker 2: wired to Joiner's bank account. He's now got four million
Speaker 2: dollars in his Bank of America account.
Speaker 3: And nothing to show now now and he's done it.
Speaker 2: He's conned his way into millions of dollars. He's got
Speaker 2: four more on the backside coming in eventually. Keep in mind,
Speaker 2: this is a married man, father of three girls. And
Speaker 2: the crimes he's engaging in wirefraud of you know, false accounting,
Speaker 2: so forth, this maximum sentence of twenty years behind bars
Speaker 2: in federal prison. He's setting himself up for Oh god,
Speaker 2: at this moment though, he's not thinking about any of that,
Speaker 2: because he's got four million dollars of other people's money. Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: April fifteenth, ironically twenty sixteen, aka tax Day. Joiner takes
Speaker 2: a trip down to the bank and he withdraws eight
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars and he transferred it to a little
Speaker 2: joint account he and his wife's share. Oh cute.
Speaker 3: Not make a nice trail there exactly.
Speaker 2: Not a business account either. So now that he's tasted
Speaker 2: success from his con job, Joiner wants more. He goes back.
Speaker 2: He double dips. He approaches a second set of foreign investors,
Speaker 2: this time Chinese investors. Could the scam work twice? Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: oh Man, you better believe it did, baby. He contacts
Speaker 2: Star Sentry Pictures Company Limited, which is an affiliate of
Speaker 2: PGA Young Park Capital Limited and which is in itself
Speaker 2: an investment firm in the People's Republic of China. So,
Speaker 2: using the same fraudulent paperwork he used to scam the
Speaker 2: Korean investors, Joiners able to peel an additional six million
Speaker 2: out of his new Chinese investors. Wow, he now has
Speaker 2: ten million dollars of other people's money parked in his
Speaker 2: bank accounts, with four million to come. Adam, Joiner has
Speaker 2: done it, and now he feels like an official Hollywood
Speaker 2: play a baby, so he starts to live like it. Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: you just conned foreign investors out of ten million. What
Speaker 2: would you do with it?
Speaker 3: Mmmm? Hide it somewhere I don't know, Swiss bank account
Speaker 3: I disappear. They're gonna come and get you.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Well it's the summer twenty sixteen at this point,
Speaker 2: so there's plenty of stuff to buy, plenty of stuff
Speaker 2: to enjoy, very pre COVID. Everybody's like out. So what
Speaker 2: does Joiner spend his lud on? You get loose with it? Well,
Speaker 2: rather than tell you about it, Elizabeth, I would like
Speaker 2: you to close.
Speaker 3: Your eyes, my eyes a close and picture it.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, you are a Southern California realtor, one who sells
Speaker 2: homes in the Manhattan Beach area. It's a Saturday, one
Speaker 2: of your busiest days of the week. You're at your
Speaker 2: third home tour of the day. At the moment, you're
Speaker 2: standing on the second floor deck, the gentle ocean breeze
Speaker 2: thrills against your cheek as the seabirds sound in the distance.
Speaker 2: The married couple on the second floor patio with you
Speaker 2: a whisper between themselves. After you hear their whispers fall silent,
Speaker 2: you gracefully turn. You ask the pair, mister and missus Joyner,
Speaker 2: can you imagine stepping out onto this patio, filling your
Speaker 2: lungs with that ocean air and enjoying the fruits of
Speaker 2: all of your hard work. The husband looks at his wife.
Speaker 2: His smile is wide proud. He replies, I sure can now.
Speaker 2: The house is one of your long daddy's you're hoping
Speaker 2: to move soon? Yeah, This Manhattan Beach dream home is
Speaker 2: four two hundred and sixty five square feet to poast,
Speaker 2: five bedrooms and five baths. The price tag for this
Speaker 2: beauty five point three five million dollars. Pictures don't do
Speaker 2: the place justice. Also, the all white on white with
Speaker 2: touches of slate and gray. That decor that wasn't your idea.
Speaker 2: But anyway, that said, here are a few picks so
Speaker 2: you could describe what you're looking at in realitor terms,
Speaker 2: like could you sell me on this Elizabeth for sure?
Speaker 3: Well, I happen to have the description of the dream
Speaker 3: home from Zillow. You know I love Zillo. Inside this
Speaker 3: California dream beach house, you discover that the ground floor
Speaker 3: features a large family room, secluded bathroom, suite, mudroom, and
Speaker 3: three car garage. The second level showcases a striking vaulted
Speaker 3: beam ceiling, great room with fireplace, private office, gourmet kitchen
Speaker 3: with top of the line appliances, dining nook, walk in
Speaker 3: butler's pantry, cozy den with fireplace, and a barbecue deck.
Speaker 2: Okay, you got my attention. I'm listening, but I like
Speaker 2: the joiners. I'm still on the fence. Make me want
Speaker 2: to wire my money?
Speaker 3: Okay. Located in the heart of Old Manhattan, the hidden
Speaker 3: gem of the Sand Section, this peaceful enclave is the
Speaker 3: only area of MB that offers tree lines, eats, with
Speaker 3: sidewalks and parking on both sides of the street. The
Speaker 3: ideal northwest corner lot location allows for abundant full day
Speaker 3: natural light, panoramic hill section views, and a beautiful bank
Speaker 3: of lush landscaping along the eastern sideyard.
Speaker 2: Yes, talk that talk, you know what. I think that
Speaker 2: Really the key is if you're paying five point five mil,
Speaker 2: you want trees on both sides of the streets. I mean,
Speaker 2: come on that right, Okay, Well, here's what the houses
Speaker 2: look like in full living color. Feasts your eyes on that.
Speaker 3: From the outside, it just looks like a steamship, like
Speaker 3: a paddle boat. Steamer on that totally. And then those
Speaker 3: are bushes. Those aren't trees.
Speaker 2: Exack. It looks like Tyler Perry designed this place.
Speaker 3: I would like to see a cluttered for like rich people.
Speaker 2: And he's like, here, I think this is what rich
Speaker 2: people like. No, it's not good. Well, anyway, As the
Speaker 2: tour of the dream beach home nears its end, you
Speaker 2: take a read of the couple. You can't tell if
Speaker 2: they're into it or not. Back downstairs, you point out
Speaker 2: the ground level patio and casually compliment the perspective buyer.
Speaker 2: You say, with a smile in your voice, do you
Speaker 2: seem like the kind of husband would really appreciate having
Speaker 2: your own barbecue deck. Missus Joyner shares a look with
Speaker 2: her husband. They both smile a conspiratorial grin. Seems you
Speaker 2: hit your mark to seal the deal, you say, and
Speaker 2: Missus Joyner, if I'm guessing right, I'm betting you may
Speaker 2: want to keep some of the all white furniture. She
Speaker 2: nods enthusiastically. Sure, looks like you've made your saal, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: So you go for broke and you say, if you
Speaker 2: guys want to make it official, like right now with
Speaker 2: an offer. I happen to have a bottle of champagne
Speaker 2: in the fridge and some champagne flutes. Shall I do
Speaker 2: the honors? After you call your office with their offer
Speaker 2: on the dream beach house, you all cheers.
Speaker 3: I hate myself.
Speaker 2: Well you did it, Elizabeth. You just help the Joiners
Speaker 2: spend their ill gotten games.
Speaker 3: You got two kids? Are going to keep the all
Speaker 3: white interior?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look, we not three boys, so anyway to
Speaker 2: purchase girls can be messy too. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: but for everybody. I'm not a PA. But from everything
Speaker 2: I hear, you have three boys.
Speaker 3: One of them is a toddler.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, forget about it. Oh yeah, no, forget about
Speaker 2: for sure. I mean, I don't mean to be like,
Speaker 2: you know, undercutting the kind of.
Speaker 3: Messes just as messy as a man.
Speaker 2: You are, right, more so, yes, even more so. Now,
Speaker 2: three weeks after all of this, he was wired six
Speaker 2: million from his Chinese investors, Star Century. So Joiner pulled
Speaker 2: that money back out immediately and he transferred one hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty thousand, five hundred to his California investor escrow company.
Speaker 2: Then that was a deposit on the home he just
Speaker 2: bought from you. Wow, was deposit one hundred and sixty thousand.
Speaker 2: That was like just a little old this this is mine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it wasn't a down payment.
Speaker 3: It's like honestly, and I don't care what it's called.
Speaker 2: What I don't get is it. Sure seems like even
Speaker 2: though he's now fully blowing his wad of other people's
Speaker 2: money on a home for his family, it seems like
Speaker 2: Adam Joyner still planned to make his movie Legends because
Speaker 2: he started to reach out some real hitters like enter
Speaker 2: the true Hollywood players, Elizabeth, Yeah, this cat, No, he's
Speaker 2: already circling. No, not in this story, the cat. The
Speaker 2: Joiner approach to make his Dreams Comes true? Is this
Speaker 2: dude named Don Murphy. Now, if you're deep into film history,
Speaker 2: you know Don Murphy, but unlikely for most other people.
Speaker 2: Just explain it. Joiner plans to pay Don Murphy to
Speaker 2: shepherd his film forward and make the necessary connections and
Speaker 2: introductions to Hollywood heavyweights. Right. So Don Murphy is one
Speaker 2: of those like like gruff, old school producer types, right,
Speaker 2: they kind of used to like stink of cigars. And
Speaker 2: he'd produce Natural Born Killers for a Oliver Stone. Right.
Speaker 2: In fact, he'd taken the script from a young Quentin
Speaker 2: Tarantino who was trying to break into Hollywood at this point,
Speaker 2: and he convinced Oliver Stone to come aboard and to
Speaker 2: direct it. So he gets him. He does, He makes it,
Speaker 2: much to Tarantino's dismay and because he lost control, and
Speaker 2: that's where he started being like, I'm gonna lock down everything. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Don Murphy later went on to produce movies for Michael Bay.
Speaker 2: He's that kind of guy. Oh okay, So Adam Joyner
Speaker 2: contacts Don Murphy's like I want to blow stuff up,
Speaker 2: you know, like I got money, what do we do?
Speaker 2: And he's like, so he asked them do for me
Speaker 2: what you did for Tarantino. Like, now, Don Murphy's like, sure, kid,
Speaker 2: but it'll cost you a million dollars. Specifically, he's had
Speaker 2: one point two billion dollars. Okay, no, I Actually he's
Speaker 2: some cigar chomping seventy year old. This dude is a
Speaker 2: gen X producer. He was like born in nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 2: So Joiner's stoke. They're close enough in age they get
Speaker 2: each other. So he sends an update to his investors.
Speaker 2: He tells Paul that he quote was expecting to secure
Speaker 2: Don Murphy by this Friday to be our quote name
Speaker 2: producer for the film. Don has done all the Transformer
Speaker 2: movies and several others. He has discussed wanting to bring
Speaker 2: in Michael Bay to direct, so we plan to explore that.
Speaker 2: So this none of this is true. So that wasn't
Speaker 2: just kind of untrue, it was patently false anyway. Joiner
Speaker 2: transfer is the first installment to an Escrow account to
Speaker 2: be transferred to Don Murphy. Meanwhile, that same summer, he
Speaker 2: finally closes in on his new beach house. He transfers
Speaker 2: five million, one hundred ninety nine hundred and sixteen dollars
Speaker 2: and ninety two cents to the California Investor escrow, and
Speaker 2: then about five weeks later, on September twelfth, Joiner transferred
Speaker 2: another one hundred and twenty thousand into the joint account
Speaker 2: that he shared with his wife. I assume this is
Speaker 2: to decorate and furnish the home, probably right, you know,
Speaker 2: I got to get more all white furniture. So anyway,
Speaker 2: In total, Joiner at this point is transferred nine hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty thousand to his personal joint account as well,
Speaker 2: and he has dropped five point three point five on
Speaker 2: the Manhattan Beach dream House in total grand total six
Speaker 2: point two seven million. Also throw on the one point
Speaker 2: two million he's promised Don Murphy. So all of this
Speaker 2: in his prior transfers and all that, it leaves a
Speaker 2: tidy sum of three point one two six million for
Speaker 2: his Legends movie. Okay, not a lot left, but guess
Speaker 2: what happens next? Enter Steven Spielberg, Gyelmo, Gueramo del Toro,
Speaker 2: and Oscar hopeful Bradley Cooper. What yes, So, if you're
Speaker 2: going to distract someone, Elizabeth, it helps if you have
Speaker 2: a shiny object, and it doesn't have to be literally
Speaker 2: shiny it can be Steven Spielberg shiny right like, So
Speaker 2: that's what he is. He needs to catch their attention.
Speaker 2: And those names, did it seo? You popped up?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: On October first, twenty sixteen, Adam Joinder sends a new
Speaker 2: update to his Asian investors, specifically tells them, we agreed
Speaker 2: to terms verbally yesterday with Gueramo del Toro and his agent.
Speaker 2: This was another the one he told to by himself
Speaker 2: some time so months past. No new deals are announced.
Speaker 2: He's still trying to like get Don Murphy to make
Speaker 2: this happen. No director signs onto the project. Don Murphy's
Speaker 2: got his money, but it ain't nothing happening. So his
Speaker 2: investors grow anxious. Joinner decides to up the wattage of
Speaker 2: the star power. He brings him Bradley Cooper and Steven Spielberg.
Speaker 2: He says he's shopping the project to Spielberg's company Ambulance,
Speaker 2: and it looks like Steven is talking about bringing Bradley aboard.
Speaker 2: Of course, you know, Bradley Cooper, not Brad Pitt. You know,
Speaker 2: want to keep your Brad speck. So the Joiner informs
Speaker 2: his investors what this all means he'll need to cancel
Speaker 2: their Netflix deal so they can jump to Universal in
Speaker 2: Spielberg's company. Then he sends over a new memorandum of understanding,
Speaker 2: so that way there's paper. The truth is there's no
Speaker 2: deal with Spielberg, not in place, not in distribution, not
Speaker 2: in the wind, not in talks, nothing, Just like in reality,
Speaker 2: there's no Netflix deal, and now there's no longer even
Speaker 2: an imaginary Netflix deal, so there's just nothing. So this
Speaker 2: is a problem for his Asian investors. They want their
Speaker 2: money back, so that's gonna be difficult unless they want
Speaker 2: a beach house in California. Yeah, so what are you
Speaker 2: gonna do? Joinder goes for broke. He turns around and
Speaker 2: he asks for more money. He's like, you want your
Speaker 2: money back. I want more money from you, and they're
Speaker 2: like what he He must be onto something. There's no
Speaker 2: way money could ask us for money if they were
Speaker 2: counting us, who would do that, Elizabeth, that's the move.
Speaker 2: Apparently for these guys, it's like when in doubt ask
Speaker 2: for more money. Yeah, and it keeps them off their toes.
Speaker 2: Business people are like, what does he No, I don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on anyway, Carl rent his play works
Speaker 2: just like for this guy, boldness strikes and Kip transfers
Speaker 2: the second half of their eight million investments. So now
Speaker 2: he's got all the Asian investors' money that's been contractually obligated.
Speaker 2: So this at this point January eleventh, twenty seventeen, he's
Speaker 2: got the extra four million. Two days later, he transfers
Speaker 2: that to his business account. He's like, whoo and that
Speaker 2: goes to me. Now he hasn't told his business partners this,
Speaker 2: but he's starting a second project now, so he the
Speaker 2: second project, get this is called stock Car Willie. And
Speaker 2: there's no way you'll guess this, but according to I MDB,
Speaker 2: the film is about an African American driver who turns
Speaker 2: the world of NASCAR upside down. Willick Car Willie. Okay,
Speaker 2: steamboat Willie. But I don't know that there is a
Speaker 2: real life black NASCAR and f one driver whose name
Speaker 2: is Willie t Rips. I assume that's who this must be,
Speaker 2: or maybe it's a fictional tale of a black NASCAR driver,
Speaker 2: like you know, talented, nice.
Speaker 3: Style, magical driver, magical, oh man.
Speaker 2: But I find it interesting that this project is where
Speaker 2: he wants to invest his Asian investors money without their consent.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not going to game on it.
Speaker 3: Honestly, where does he think this is all going to go?
Speaker 2: I do not know. It's the wildest Why I sat
Speaker 2: there in court behind him, that was the only question
Speaker 2: I was burning into the back of his head, was like,
Speaker 2: what was your play man? How did you think it
Speaker 2: was going to end How you didn't think it was
Speaker 2: going to end here? You didn't get yourself a good lawyer,
Speaker 2: so you didn't save money for that? So what happened anyway? Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: no news from Don Murphy. That's bad now his his
Speaker 2: name producer is not bringing in any names. So the
Speaker 2: foreign investors finally lose their patients. The email Joiner demanding
Speaker 2: proof of where their money is and they want notarized
Speaker 2: bank statements. Joiner does as requested. He sends them a
Speaker 2: forged notarized monthly bank statement in his falsified docket shows
Speaker 2: that his business account has eleven zero point eight million
Speaker 2: dollars and he's like, yeah, there it is the true
Speaker 2: amount in the account, thirty two six eight pots. So
Speaker 2: on March thirty first, Joiner sends in his investors the
Speaker 2: bad news we lost Bradley Cooper. Oh no, so yeah.
Speaker 2: He cites quote internal politics with Universal ambling, you know,
Speaker 2: and says things went badly after quote Bradley Cooper turned
Speaker 2: down the agreement of the Universal Universal decided to refuse
Speaker 2: pay miss d ambling. It's the whole thing, man.
Speaker 3: What if Bradley Cooper finds.
Speaker 2: Out I know, that's it tears it his in. Foreign
Speaker 2: investors they come for their money. They're like, look, man,
Speaker 2: hands out. And on April twenty six, twenty seventeen, lawyers
Speaker 2: in the United States, representing the Chinese investment firm Star
Speaker 2: Century and then PGA Young Park Capital, they file a
Speaker 2: lawsuit in the La Superior Courthouse in Torrance. They're like,
Speaker 2: we can reach you, we can touch you. By we
Speaker 2: got lawyers, so they demand that they demand the new
Speaker 2: Manhattan Beach House because they also have forensic accountants. They
Speaker 2: found out where the money went.
Speaker 3: All the wife's Lulu Lemmons exactly.
Speaker 2: So Jones tries to fight the lawsuit in court. Six
Speaker 2: months of infighting, then the judge orders the sheriff to
Speaker 2: auction off the house, so Beach House gets sold. The investors. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: they contact Don Murphy. They're like, we hear you got
Speaker 2: one point two million of our money. He's like, who
Speaker 2: are you people? What are you talking about? He has
Speaker 2: no idea, he's never heard about that because he's never
Speaker 2: been pitched to any of this. Right too, He's at this
Speaker 2: point received two hundred grand from the promise one point
Speaker 2: two million. Yeah, the investors determined that Joiner had transferred
Speaker 2: four under grant of that back to himself, so he
Speaker 2: had also been conning. Don Murphy apparently entered the FBI. Yeah.
Speaker 2: July eighteen, FBI surveils the Manhattan Beach dream House. They're
Speaker 2: looking for him. They're like, where is this Joiner? Agents
Speaker 2: contact Don Murphy, like, when's the last time you talked
Speaker 2: to Joiner? They contact Netflix if you talk to Joiner,
Speaker 2: who's the and they ask all the questions. They're like,
Speaker 2: we don't know this guy, We've never heard of them.
Speaker 2: They contact Steven Spielberg's ambulance, they contact Brad Cooper's wraps,
Speaker 2: they contact everybody. Everyone's like who.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: August twenty seventh, FBI returns to the beach house to
Speaker 2: arrest Adam Joyner. They have all their ducks in a row.
Speaker 2: Now he's away on vacation with his family. Perhaps he
Speaker 2: wanted one last long look at freedom before he spend
Speaker 2: the rest of his life in federal prison. Anyway, he
Speaker 2: contacts the FBI after he hears that they're looking for
Speaker 2: him via his lawyers, and he arranges his owner arrest.
Speaker 2: He promises that he'll surrender himself just as soon as
Speaker 2: he's back from vacation. This is the only promise he kicks.
Speaker 2: He does surrender himself. Yeah. So, now did he really
Speaker 2: think he could sit in his ill gotten beach house
Speaker 2: and just be like telling his overseas investors come at me, bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like that's what I think is gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was his approach. He really was like, look,
Speaker 2: we're done, you guys are this is done. This is over.
Speaker 2: He sent them emails of like, don't contact don Murphy anymore.
Speaker 2: I heard you contacted. Don't do that. This is over.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to deal with you guys. And
Speaker 2: he's like, they're like, you have our money, bro, He's like,
Speaker 2: you know what, that's not the issue. So anyway, Oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, he eventually entered a guilty plea in
Speaker 2: federal courthouse when I was there, and he was sentenced
Speaker 2: to eight years in federal prisonikes. Yeah, so see your
Speaker 2: girls cook them in the years. Yeah, Adam join your
Speaker 2: story proves the point. If you're in the US, if
Speaker 2: you steal fourteen dollars worth of food, the cops they
Speaker 2: may shoot you. Don't do that right, Yeah, but if
Speaker 2: you steal fourteen million dollars, a US attorney will contact
Speaker 2: you and they ask you to turn yourself in and
Speaker 2: then you can arrange if you want, you get back
Speaker 2: from vacation. That's how you do it. So remember, kids,
Speaker 2: if you can steal, steal big anyway, that's our That's it.
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