WEBVTT - Lights, Camera, no Action: Netflix Scammers 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:02.760 Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.600 Elizabeth dett Zarren Bennett got a question for you, my girl. Yes, sir, 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:08.639 you know it's ridiculous. 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:09.719 Yes, I do. 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:11.320 You're gonna hit a brother with it? 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:15.640 Yeah, I am hit you brother. Okay. So there's this 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:20.000 restaurant called New York Fries that, oddly enough, is not 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:21.079 located in New York. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:22.080 Do they sell fries? 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.840 Yeah, it's a poutine place, like. 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:28.840 The Canadian It's all over Canada. 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.040 Yeah, all over Canada. But then they have all their 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:35.639 outside Canada locations are like in UAE and Saudi Arabia 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:37.480 and Panama. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:39.640 It's a brand. New York is a brand in this case. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:41.280 It gets like a stamp of theme. 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.120 I guess, because I don't know what New York has 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:43.839 to do with any of this. 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.599 But they don't sell poutine. I mean, I guess. I'm 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:48.640 sure they do somewhere, but New York is not known, 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:50.519 not in. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.760 The least as far as I know, the big poutine. 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:59.480 So a rude dude on Instagram ep Lovely Canadian pointed 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.160 this out to me. They're having this twelve days of 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:06.760 giveaways thing for the holidays. Okay, up the boxing day Yeah, sure, 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:12.560 And on day five. On day five they have some 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:14.080 prizes up for grabs and you have to be a 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:19.200 Canadian resident that ended December fifteenth, whatevs. So you can 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.640 win a hot dog dad hat. It just has a 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:23.959 hot dog on it. But I guess it's a dad. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:25.840 Oh it's a dad hat, not a hot dog dad. 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.320 I like hot dog dad. A hot dog neon sign 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.680 a New York Fries loaded dog of choice, sure, because 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.720 they have hot dogs hot dogs. And then there's this 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.520 other item, a hot dog water candle. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:42.000 Wait what candle? 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.880 When EP sent this to us, yeah, they circled that 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:49.000 part in red. I'm sorry what but I went to 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.320 I got onto Facebook. You don't have to be a 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.320 Facebook member to look at this thing, but you can 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.880 see their post for that day and all the comments 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.080 have nothing to do with everyone, just like, oh I 0:01:59.120 --> 0:01:59.960 love a loaded dog. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.840 They just skip past, just like it's a normal thing. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.200 So I was trying to find this. It's from bad 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.799 candle company hot dog water, and so I thought, okay, 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.520 where could I get this? Sure to light it goes, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.040 sneak into your house and light it. So they have 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.119 them on. It's a company has them on Etsy twenty five, 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.640 twenty four ninety nine. The label says hot dog water, 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.040 but apparently you pick from a drop down menu and 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.000 it has regular sense. So this it's just the label 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.440 that says hot dog water. Right, So like you can 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.880 pick clean cotton sea salt and orchid white sage and 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.799 lavender sold out zero and I'm so sorry Apple harvest, 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:42.080 which just sounds hilacious. Sorry, bad candle company. And cinnamon 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:43.760 vanilla also hilacious to me. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.560 Yeah why run cinnamon and vanilla together just like pick one? 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.040 Well, it's like a snickerdoodle. 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:53.040 Oh yeah, yeah, so stop I thought about that. Thanks. 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.480 So this bad candle company does hot dog water and 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:59.240 it's just the label on the candles. I say, coward, 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:02.360 make it into a real disgust. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:04.119 I don't want to know about this hot dog candle. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:05.640 It's supposed to be floating in the bath of me. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:06.600 Do I create a vibe? 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:07.560 Well it looks like this. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:09.919 Oh okay, so it's not I was picturing a hot 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.840 dog shaped candle. It floats on top of the bath. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.320 This is for the folks hot dogs. 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:17.959 Oh you know how they have the roses that you 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:18.919 can light and they float. 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:19.919 Do you do that? 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.560 Well, you've seen those that do not. I don't even Well, okay, 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.000 maybe once I was. I just needed a little special 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:26.359 me time. 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:27.240 It was in college. 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.959 I had a couple four hundred bucks to spend. I 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:31.160 dropped it on candles. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.080 I backed it up candles. 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.000 Anyway, you know what what's else ridiculous? 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.200 Yes, I would love to know what else is ridiculous? 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.680 Hollywood? Well, yeah, yeah, you know that place is wild. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:41.560 I told you I used to work there, right, Like 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.160 I have acted, I did TV shows, I was into movies. 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.640 I did voice work for a cartoon ide some indie films. 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.400 I shot music videos. I wrote scripts on spec I 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.960 polished scripts for others for money. Of course, basically you 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:53.680 can say I was an art mercenary, right like I 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.520 would mark anything for a dollar. And I know I 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.520 loved it. I love Hollywood and I learned about its 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:02.320 ways with money, and I say, whole awareness. Hollywood is 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.960 crazy with money. You just stupid with it, right, All 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.920 the wrong people have the money or they control it. Right. 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:10.880 If you stay in that town long enough, you'll surprise 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.760 yourself with what you will do for money. I mean, 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.600 just ask anyone hosts a game show. I mean they 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.039 did not come down there to host a game show anyway. 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.120 These days people are critical like Nepo babies. You hear 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.200 a lot of that Nepo babies. Yeah right, And you 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.120 make no mistake. Hollywood is a family business. That's one 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.560 of its secrets. You learn real quick that in the 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.640 place has a long memory but a quick turnover, which 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.960 is interesting because you're like, oh, yeah, people come and go, 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.320 but those who stay they remember right, yeah now, and 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.120 they also know each other. You have to keep that 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.120 in mind, right, which is ultimately why it's so hard 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.440 to run a long con or become like a real 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:49.080 good scammer in Hollywood. Oh okay, but it happens, of course. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.480 I mean, of course it happens often. It happens often, right, 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.320 but usually those If you want to work as a 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.560 scammer on Hollywood, you have to milk all the newcomers 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.840 and all the egotists who just they don't know any 0:04:57.839 --> 0:04:59.560 about it, but they will pay you to tell them. 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.880 You still have a chance to make it right right now. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.200 I know this all sounds a little dark and little sad. 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.720 I'm sorry about that, but Hollywood it's a sunlit in 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:07.599 no war town. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:07.880 Right. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.800 You didn make no mistake. So, Elizabeth, you ready to 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:12.000 talk Hollywood. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:12.680 Crime, Zarin, Yes I am. 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.240 We're gonna get stupid with it. Three two one action. 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:41.400 This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.320 heights and cons. It's oh, is ninety nine percent murder 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.120 free and ridiculous. 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:49.920 I like captain. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.479 Thank you now for this story, Elizabeth. A few different 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.279 rude dudes send in this as a suggestion, this first one. Okay, 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.400 thank you for that, all of you. Please keep them coming. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.719 We always dig your suggestions. Now, Elizabeth, I'd like you 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.720 to meet Carl Eric Rinch. 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.200 Carl Eric Rinch, Rinch like. 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.960 R I N S c H. Not like a wretch 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.919 wrench Yeah, no nch. Now he's been in newslately. You 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.960 may have seen his name because he's been accused of 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.880 ripping off Netflix. Oh, good for him, wasting their money 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.240 on crypto and like on dope rides. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.040 Yeah, is this why they can't pay writers? 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.600 Pretty much? This is where the money is going. So 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:25.719 the New York Times they covered this saga recently with 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:30.120 a November twenty second story rip from the headlines, Elizabeth Now. 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:34.000 The story was entitled quote the Strange fifty five million 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.800 dollar saga of a Netflix series you'll never see. 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.839 Well that that's a large category. 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:41.840 For you in particular. 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.040 Yes, well, yeah, because I don't watch television, but don't 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.159 they make Like aren't there tons of shows that get 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:47.760 made but never make. 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:51.880 It to air? Uh? For studios, Yes, the streamers didn't 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.039 do that as much. This is kind of a big misstep. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:55.799 For they stand correct. 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.280 Yeah, the studios have like you know, pilot season where 0:06:58.279 --> 0:06:59.680 they make a bunch of shows they test them the 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.080 link to put the money into like one episode and 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:06.000 try it maybe even two. But with streamers, they made 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.159 a whole series. Okay, they shot the series and you're 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:10.600 not going to see the series. Wow. 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.440 Yeah, because I know people who're like, yeah, I'm in 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.840 this TV show. It might be made. I've done a 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.720 couple episodes, but then it never makes Yeah. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.440 Yeah, now that's that's very old traditional Hollywood. Now we're 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:24.800 into oh new dumb money. Right. So anyway, the writer 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.400 John Kerry, he did a fantastic job. Check out the story. 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.320 He tracks all the mini twist turns of jaw dropping revelations. 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.120 All right, So anyway, who is Carl Eric Rinch? I 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:34.920 love to know all right, How did he get Netflix 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.960 to give him fifty five million bucks? It's great question, Elizabeth. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.600 Did you see the Cannu Reeves movie forty seven ronin? 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:43.440 Yes you did, Yes, they did. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:44.320 What did you think of it? 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.760 Vague memories. I'll just watch anything with Cannon Reeves in it. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.480 I know that about. That's why I guess you have 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:50.040 seen this. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.480 Yeah, I've seen it, but golly, it was a while ago. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.560 Okay, well Carl Rinch he directed it. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:55.320 Oh you're kidding. 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.520 Yeah, that's what I guess he's calling card movie. It 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.880 was an astounding bomb at the box office. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.280 Yeah, the studio. I was alone in the theater. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.360 Or you I've been to a lot of movies where 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.320 I was alone or with the one person I brought 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.120 with me, and I have to apologize. I'm like, well, 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:10.560 or we're going to be in for a great show. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.960 It's just us so intimate. Anyway, studio had to write 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.680 off a loss of one hundred and seventy five million bucks. Wow, 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.600 that's what they lost. Yeah, ign I went to look 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:21.600 for reviews because I saw this, but I didn't see 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:22.920 it in the theater. I saw it like on HBr 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.160 or whatever. Yeah, it's not really a fair way to 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:26.480 see a movie, in my opinion, if you're going to 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.360 review it, I mean you can't, but you don't get 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.040 the full effect or what the filmmaker intended. Right, So 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:32.800 IGN they saw it in the theaters and they gave 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:34.560 it a six point one out of ten. 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:36.920 That's better than fifty percent. 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:38.240 That would be a D in school. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:39.000 That would be now. 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:42.720 In their review of forty seven, Row and IGN described 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.199 the film as quote a serviceable action movie that fails 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.520 to either capture the emotional essence of the titular tale 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:54.360 or bring anything genuinely fresh, invigorating, or memorable to its rendition, 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:56.640 which is pretty much your review. I don't really. 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.320 Remember, really remember exactly now. 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:02.160 After further disparaging the film, reviewer conclude and I quote 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.360 mildly entertaining and gorgeous to look at, forty seven Rownan 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.120 has little beneath the surface to recommend it. There are 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.600 a few good fights, though, well hey, yeah, that's actually 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.000 how I described the city of Pittsburgh. Mildly entertaining and 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:14.840 gorgeous to look. 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:15.800 At, and some fights. 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.960 So that's Philadelphia, that's anyway. So how does a filmmaker 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.080 with one film to his name a film that lost 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.560 its studio one hundred and seventy five million dollars and 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.240 has reviews like this mildly entertaining, gorgeous to look at. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.720 How does he convince Netflix to give him a fresh 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:29.640 fifty five mil. 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.760 Well, here's another question I have for you. I've heard 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.760 that sometimes studios will make bombs on purpose in order 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.600 to get that as a write off as a loss. 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.200 They will write off what they think is a bomb, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.360 but they won't make a bomb to lose money. But 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.000 if once it's being made they realize he's going bad, 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.520 then they start that process. Okay, So that's why you'll 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.320 hear like films like the Boondock Saints guy when he 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.280 there's a documentary about himHe Harvey Weinstein just tanks his 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.400 movie because he does not personally like him, and he's 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.920 making the movie for Harvey Weinstein, which is a terrible 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.840 mistake to turn on the producer of your film, regardless 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:03.640 of part of why he seems a terrible person. I'm 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.720 just saying it's bad business. This guy comes into Hollywood, 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.920 he's like, Oh, I'm gonna be the man, right, and 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.280 he learns a terrible lesson, which is you do not 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.080 piss off the one man that controls if your movie 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:13.720 goes to theaters. 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:14.079 Yeah. 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:15.800 So yeah, he was willing to tank it because he 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:17.400 can write it off as a loss. So they always 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:19.920 have that option. Okay, right, and that's why you see 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.720 it currently being done. But that guy for Wonder Brothers 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.480 and is an idiot, like I'm not going to get anyway. 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:30.200 The answer is Elizabeth market dynamics, baby dynastics. Why let's see, 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.720 I put it into market speak, so you know all 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.439 about supply and demand, right, and now in twenty eighteen, 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.120 the streamers, they tried to meet this growing demand for 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.440 new films and series. So what do they do? They go, oh, 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.520 we don't know what's good, so let's just throw insane 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.840 amounts of money at things. Right. I don't know, I 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.400 guess that was the answer. Yeah, right. So Carl Rinch, 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.040 he had a series to pitch at this time, perfectly 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.440 timed for him, the streamers were eager to take a meeting. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.520 His project is this sci fi series about artificial humans 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.000 that will eventually turned on their human creator. Everybody loves that. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.000 Takes a whirlwind series of meetings. He goes over to 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.080 Jeff Bezos' company because Amazon is getting into it, the 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.560 Amazon Prime stuff. They offer him an eight figure agreement 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:14.360 to bring the series to Amazon. Wow, yeah, Netlow, here's 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.360 about this and they're like, uh oh baby. Before Rinch 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.479 could put pen to paper on the Amazon deal, Netflix 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.600 backed up the money truck and offered the filmmaker even 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.280 more cash. So he gets an eight figure offer. Now 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.920 they call him at home on a Sunday and Netflix 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.600 not only offered him money, they offered him control, which 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.960 is whatever the filmmaker wants, right, So they offer the 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.960 filmmaker creative control, which means he gets final cut. He 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:38.800 you know, that's huge, Like you have to be like, 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.400 you know, like James Cameron to get final cut. Anyway, 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.000 Netflix puts in writing that he would also be attached 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.040 to any future spin offs or reboots. He's locked into 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.679 the series. Yeah yeah, right, so he's like stan Lee 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.199 on This World or whatever. Anyway, so the final deal 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.600 fifty five million. They offer him that big paycheck. It 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.760 made business headlines, but it also apparently made business sense 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.720 at the time because Netflix, in that capitalist way, that 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.439 their new show would spawn a whole creative universe. Right, 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:08.600 this is an initial investment. His ideas got legs right. So, now, 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.040 armed with this unheard level of control, the promise of 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:16.880 future involvement a huge payday, what does Carl Rinch do? 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:18.160 Does not make the show. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.000 He opted to never finish a single episode, instead just 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.080 pocket the money. So, according to many of those who 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:25.840 cared for him or were close to him, as soon 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.280 as he signed the deal with Netflix, it goes like 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.400 a switch was hit. He just just changed immediately, just 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.760 and whatever occurred inside of him, he was a new 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.880 Carl Rinch multimillionaire. So it's not like you started big 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:41.360 timing people. I don't mean that he I mean he 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.400 did do that, but what I mean is more like 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.480 he became untethered from reality a right. So, for instance, 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.360 he began to tell people that he could predict when 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:49.959 and where lightning strikes would occur. 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:51.680 Wait, yes, okay, yes. 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.640 And also he discovered that how COVID nineteen was being 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.120 transmitted via a secret conduit of nature. Oh it wasn't 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:03.400 He Also he grew extremely, like a really overconfident about 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.640 his ability to discern patterns in the stock market. So 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.520 he took a bunch of Netflix's money and he dropped 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.240 it onto the Dow Jones and the Nasdaq and so forth, 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.360 and you know, then he also he bought a bunch 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.000 of crypto, because that's another good bet. He bought himself 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:19.640 a Rolls Royce because now he needs to roll around 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.640 town looking like you know, clean bought himself a new wardrobe. 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.480 Same reason. He became that guy in Hollywood, like the 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:26.439 old film producer. 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.280 Yeah, it sounds like almost like it that that money 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.080 payday triggered a mild psychosis. 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.720 I think, so yeah, I'm thinking it's like something just 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.040 either he'd always wanted this and finally now he just released. 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.120 You know, I always talk about like pulling back the 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.920 bowstring on a bow, right, having that arrow, just all 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.240 that tension, all of a sudden, the money released it. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.760 That arrow is flying. So now wherever it's going is 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.520 where it's going, right anyway, So he's got all the trappings, 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.080 all the tastes of outside success with none of the work. 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.199 Yeah, right, sounds great. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.600 He found the secret, Elizabeth, they talked about the secret. 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.800 This is the secret, not anyway, but of course the 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.440 eventually we come court proceedings. So he didn't really find 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.839 the secret. But whatever, if you can believe it, Carl Wrinch, 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.160 he took Netflix to court. He's the one. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:07.920 Oh he did. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.920 Yeah, that's right. He's suing them right now, me sue you? Yeah, 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.040 So what's his reason? How could he possibly? He says 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:13.600 they didn't. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.720 Give him enough money, that's why he didn't make it. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.000 He claims that Netflix needs to give him another fourteen million. 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.560 Dollars in order to finish this. 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.080 Hey man, I don't know. Anyway, he says, they're contractually obligated. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.160 That's what he's saying. So obviously, Netflix's legal response was 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.920 are you fing high? Like? How do we owe you money? 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.520 Are you for real? Right now? The long those but 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.120 in legal tras, Okay, I don't know how you put 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.080 that in. It was like party of the first part, 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.280 are you fing high? Party of the second part? Something 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.040 like that. Anyway, how do we get here? How does 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.560 how did this dude end up being the one suing Netflix? 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.480 How does he have such brass one? I am desperate 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.480 to know Hollywood, baby. Now, there's another key component of 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.480 Hollywood we haven't discussed yet. It's a big part of 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.640 the machines function. We call it hype. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.880 The yeah that you can convince people that things are me. 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.840 Runs on it. Yeah, yeah, exactly, you know, walking around nude, 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.080 going look at me baby. Now, some folks they learn 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.000 how to manipulate hype to their benefit. That brings us 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.840 to mister Wrench was his real secret. So before we 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:15.920 dive into his backstory, let's take a little break. Now 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.040 that I've wet your whistle, we'll get back and see 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:41.880 how these millions get spent. All right, Elizabeth, Yes, sir, 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.440 we're back, ready for some backstory. I'll keep it on 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.080 all film like you know. We're gonna the backstory now, Okay, 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:48.640 let's see if. 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.440 Confier the prequel exactly. 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.040 Let's see if a good fare ferret out some answers 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.080 to this man's audacity. There's gotta be some reason he's 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.640 doing it. Can't just be purely psychosis or what is 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:02.240 driving the psychosis? What is here anyway? Carl Rinch born 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:07.240 in sunny San Fernando Valley, just over the hill from Hollywood. Exactly. 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:09.480 He's like Tim Burton. He's like looking over the hill 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.480 this whole time, dreaming about one day. Anyway, and his teens, 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.440 he shot little films once again, like Tim Burton or Spielberg. 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.840 Another one he went off to one of the Ivys 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.720 for college who went to Brown University after school, flies 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.400 back to la starts his film career. Everything so far 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.440 going apace. He gets a job working for Ridley Scott. 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.920 Boom boom boom. Yeah, he gets to work for his 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.040 production company, but the one that mostly shoots commercials. A 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.080 lot of the most film directors they have a production 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.120 company that shoots commercials, and that's a great way to 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.200 get your start. Film people working for those people shooting 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:40.440 their commercials. They have to make money. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.640 Some true crime documentary that I can't recall recently, you 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:46.920 know my memory, but I remember it was produced by 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:47.520 Ridley Scott. 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:49.960 No, he doesn't, all, yeah, totally. He's like I'm saying, 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.120 the filmmakers are way more than just the stuff you see. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:53.840 They have to now. I mean, he has become an 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.040 urgent need for the longest time, like all of them, 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.240 Steven Soderberg, they all like shoot commercials on the side 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.720 or have a production company that handles stuff. Yeah, you know. Anyway, 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.119 So point being around this time, folks note that Carl 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.280 Rench he had an interesting pass that he would describe. 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.000 He always kept it in mysterious terms. Right. He said 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.399 his father had been a spy. He said he grew 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.600 up in Africa. This gave him a certain international air here. Right, 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.600 So in twenty ten he shoots his own film. Finally 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.320 things start to work for him. It's a commercial though, 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.000 for the company Phillips, the European company. Right, so the 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.679 short it's a short film, but it's an ad anyway. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.359 It wins an award at CON's but not the CONS 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:34.080 Film Festival, the cons Advertising Festival. But if he wins, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.360 all right, So this paves his way into a Hollywood 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:40.119 director seat. Boom boom boom. First project, he picks forty 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:44.240 seven ronin film Yeah, look great, but it had no heart, 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.520 no center. We've covered that right. One of the producers, 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.920 Scott Stuber, he battled this first time director and tried 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.120 to bring him to heal and at some point Rynch 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:54.879 he gets barred from the editing bay, like he loses 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.960 control of his film. Yeah, the film it premiered on 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.280 Christmas Day in twenty thirteen, and as we can covered, 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.080 Colossal Failure loses one hundred and seventy five million smash 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:04.240 cut five years later. 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:08.200 Well and Christmas Day is like an important opening, like, well, 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.240 you know that's a film that they believe it they're 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.440 putting a big marketing in like August. 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.400 No exactly, A good call, thank you, no smash cut. 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.040 Five years later, after making commercials for a few years, 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.760 Rinch now finds himself back in the good graces of Hollywood. 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.040 He's worked his way back to he makes really pretty pictures. 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.119 You know, maybe he can direct anyway, but not the 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:29.280 film studios because remember, like I said, long memory, it's 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.399 now the new streamers and they're looking for stuff. His 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.359 stuff looks good. They're like this, this guy's great. 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.240 Well, they're like tech disruptors. They're going to try and 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:37.480 do it. They think they're going to do it in 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.199 a better way that's already been proven to. 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.200 And they love a shiny thing that moves fast, so 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:44.800 the wrench. At this point, he's married. He's got an 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.719 Uruguayan fashion designer, model Gabriella. Now together they came up 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:50.399 with this new idea for the series and she's his 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.760 creative partner. The story it focused on the new species 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:57.240 called quote organic intelligence. Okay, so this is oh I 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:01.120 all right? So they originally they're there designed to respond 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:05.200 compassionately and efficiently to humanitarian crises, disasters, human needs of 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.119 all kinds, the new species. Of course, so eventually turns 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.359 on us, and you know, and they try to wipe 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.280 out humanity, and of course the idea being that we 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.720 cause all the problems that OI must fix. So the 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.200 solution's obvious, fix the problem with the source. So anyway 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:22.320 you can hear the sci fi potential. It's like Battlestar 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:26.080 Galactica meets I Robots. Okay, right, So potential buyers they 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.399 could see that for themselves. They're like, oh, dollar signs, boom, 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.600 I love this now, Rinch. He ends up. He pays 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.000 for a small shoot to make sure that they can 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.840 really see the potential, not just hear the idea and 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.920 imagine the potential, but see it moving and looks slick 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:42.280 and sexy. He hires European actors and actresses. They shoot 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:46.159 footage in far flowing places Kenya, Romania. The shoots they 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.920 were punishing, one actor allegedly caught hypotherbia had to be hospitalized. 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:52.639 He runs a rough set from what I understand. So 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.119 despite the difficulties setbacks, Rinch he believes in his projects. 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.040 He seeks help. He turns over to thirty West. That's 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.760 a production company. It's run by a billionaire mmmm. Anyway, 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:06.320 billionaire's name is Dan Freakin. Money gets advanced, project goes 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:08.800 on and then Rinch. He misses a deadline. He misses 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.480 another deadline, freaking in his company thirty West. They're like, 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.080 it's our project now, and they started trying to, like, 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.000 you know, claim to it. They threaten over to seize 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.200 the project, take it over, you know, the bond company 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.320 or whatever. That all the stuff you hear, So Rinch. 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:23.680 He turns an old friend for help. Enter Keanu reech 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.960 Man is like a living like Labrador retriever, you know 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:30.280 what I mean. He's just so good. 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.600 He's a very good friend of mine. Yes, and I 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:36.360 say that because if you say things enough, it manifest totally. 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.800 So one day I will be good friends with Keanu Reeed. 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:40.760 There you go. You're gonna make it. It's gonna happen. 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:44.440 So your close personal friend counter Reep. Yes, as you know, sweetheart. 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:46.800 He comes on board as a producer, invests in his 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.600 friends project. Things start looking good again. He helps him 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.159 make his deadlines. He now picks up the money gaps. 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:56.119 Everything works resuming. Six shorts are produced. They're all like 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:57.919 four to ten minutes long, so you can get an idea. 0:20:58.160 --> 0:20:59.960 This is what he takes to Amazon and Netflix and 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:00.800 Apple TV. 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:02.959 A sizzle reel. Is that what that is? 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.560 No, it's a little smaller, but this will be like basically, 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.880 you're showing them the potential and you want to show 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.120 that you really invested. So yeah, you've created kind of 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:13.640 like a spec project. 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:15.960 Yeah, just a little peak exactly. So this is what 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.040 he used. Just kills me. 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:20.720 Those are a little shorter, a couple of minutes long. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.320 They show you that anyway, So he starts a bidding war. 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:25.840 They're all excited. The project looks amazing, ok I said, 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.679 everybody big money. Netflix wins a bidding more. They immediately 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:34.159 renamed the project con Quest whatever. This is now over 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.320 at this point where in November twenty eighteenth. 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:37.080 What was it originally named? 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:39.800 He didn't really have a name for it. He talks 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.320 about the organic intelligence okay, right, and you had like 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.600 he wanted it to be something other than Conquest. 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:49.600 That sounds like a sixties seventies television show one hour procedural. 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:52.080 Yeah, no, I only liked it when the Jack White 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.280 did it as a song like that's yeah, definitely. But anyway, 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:57.480 the streamer planned to debut in the new series twenty 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:00.280 twenty two. He's got basically three years to make it 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.680 because it's November twenty eighteen at this point. They want 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:04.880 to release it in twenty twenty two, plenty of time 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.280 to make the whole series. Meanwhile, working at Netflix is 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:12.239 Rynch's old producer, Scott Stuber. Yeah right, he's in the 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.119 movie division at Netflix, though not the team serious division, 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:16.680 so no one asked him what he thought of the deal. 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:18.920 He didn't hear about it. Of course, his opinion probably 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.840 would have saved them a lot of money, so the streamers, 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.399 they don't benefit from Hollywood's long memory. Instead of the 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:27.480 project gets greenlit, Netflix wired Rinch the money to get started, 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.919 and the project now known as Conquest. It starts shooting 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:33.960 in Brazil. Not only that, it has multiple international locales. 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.800 You got people far flung. There's shoots in Budapest, Hungary, 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:40.240 locations in Uruguay. I guess so she can see your family. 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.639 I don't know any As a shoot goes, Netflix starts 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:47.800 to hear complaints, accusations, So backchatter right. The filmmaker Rinch 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.479 is apparently he's angered the unions. The union reps report 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:53.960 to that Rinch has been quote mistreating the team, and 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:56.320 he has been quick with the cursing and shouts and 0:22:56.359 --> 0:23:00.240 other expressions of excessive irritation. So Netflix they contact Rinch. 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.360 They're like, hey, man, calm down the unit. We don't 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.200 need this. Yeah, exactly, all right, so I meanwhile, back 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.440 on set, Rynch is spiraling. At this point in Buddapest, 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.320 he accuses his wife of hiring assassins to have him killed. 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:14.080 H oh yeah, his things are going bad, right, so 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:17.040 Netflix has no idea. But anyway, in response, he starts 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.800 gobbling up the ants or vy ants, the pills. They 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:23.359 it's a type of prescribed amphetamine. Huh yeah. So the 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:27.120 side effects of this drug ar mania, delarium, psychosis. It's 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:29.639 just a winner drug, you know. Just so it's like 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.800 throwing fire on top of already blazing fire, not just 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:34.720 get and then like you threw some gasoline in just 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:36.560 because you want to see the two really get along. 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:39.359 So so now that he's like, you know, claiming his 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:42.680 wife's trying to have assassins kill him, she reaches out 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:45.119 to family, friends, people who care about him. They decide, 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:47.680 let's doge an intervention. Good you know, good for them, 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:50.800 right if you sometimes, Oh yeah, I've had to be there. 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:53.240 And now, despite his allegations that she's trying to have 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:56.560 him assassinated, wife lovingly does this right. She invites Kana 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:58.359 Reeves to come and talk to his old friend. He 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.560 shows up, like, I said, good guy. Now they together, 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:03.800 they all convinced Rinch he needs to go to rehab. 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:05.760 He needs to accept help, right, he needs to get 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:07.760 his life back together while he has this project going. 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:09.359 He says, you're you know what, guys, I got too 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.080 much work right now to do all that, all that 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:13.359 rehab you're talking about. Yeah, but how about this. I 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:15.760 will hire a sober companion and I will just have 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:18.240 like a one man rehab move around with me, and 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:20.520 they'll keep me. This is like what Judge John Belushi 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:23.720 did at the end. He actually had a I think 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:26.639 it was Joe Walsh from the Eagles as his sober compaign. 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:30.160 My god. Anyways, like the last person. 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:32.840 This is guys supposed to keep him on the right path. Right. 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.520 So a few days later he fires a sober companion. 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:37.040 He's like, I can't hang with this guy. He won't 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:38.680 let me get high. You know whatever. I don't know, 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:40.960 he said. Now. In a few months later, COVID hits. 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:43.880 So now his production gets shut down for a moment, 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:45.399 they take a pause. He tried to figure out how 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:47.639 they're gonna move on. Eventually the productions get back to 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.320 work with masks and regulations and so forth. He's still 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:53.920 finishing this series on a twenty twenty two deadline. Nothing 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:55.679 has changed about that. Netflix is like, we gave you 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:56.760 the money, but give us a show. 0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:57.080 Yeah. 0:24:57.280 --> 0:24:59.600 So at this point, Netflix has sunk forty four million 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:02.160 dollars to the series. They've they've left out a little bit, 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:04.520 you know, for finishing funds or for the back half. 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:07.520 I don't know what the payment schedule was. Anyway. Rinch 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.880 also at this point has blown numerous deadlines. Once again, 0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:13.320 he's back on you know, hey, what's the deadline? So 0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:15.080 what is dude? What do you think? Netflix says when 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:16.840 Rinch comes to them and says a need more money. 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:19.880 This is not him now later suing, but in the 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:23.040 process he goes, hey, I need more money. They say, well, 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:25.000 can we see a script? What are we dealing with? 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:27.600 They don't even know what he's shooting. So the series, 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:29.880 which they'd originally agreed to, was planned to be thirteen 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.399 episodes long. So now Rinch wants to make it twice 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:36.120 as long, so with a second season. So Netflix is like, yeah, okay, sure, 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:37.120 we'll send you more. 0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:38.800 Money about second season. 0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:40.960 Right, Well, this case, they actually go for it. They're like, 0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.600 oh that's fine, Yeah, we like it second season. So 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:45.320 they send him more money, I mean like a lot 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:47.280 more money. They send him eleven million dollars. 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:47.800 Wow. 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:50.159 They wire him the cash. What does he do with it? 0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:52.920 He needed this money. He pulls it out of the 0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:55.639 escrow account and he invested in crypto in the stock market. 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:56.520 Oh my god. 0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.280 He drops ten point five million of the eleven million 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:02.399 dollars into his sh Charles Schwab account, and he decides 0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:05.920 to play the options market, because that's always a saft. No. 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:08.240 He places a bunch of risky bets. For instance, he 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:11.359 buys shares of a Gilliad Sciences. Well that was not 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:13.520 bad good, Yeah, a good call, right, But he's convince 0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:14.920 they're about to make a bundle on a new anti 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.680 viral COVID drug, but others beat them to market, so 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.280 he lost a bunch. He also bet on Standard and 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.159 Poors indecks the S and P five hundred. 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:22.760 Yeah. 0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:25.600 A few weeks later he'd lost five point nine million 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.840 of the eleven million. At this point, he also loses 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:30.960 his wife. So she's like, what I've had it up 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:32.879 to here. I tried the intervention. Now you get the money, 0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:35.320 we get the project going. What do you do you buy? 0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:37.080 And so he sat through an intervention. 0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:41.440 Oh yeah, total yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, not fun. 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:41.560 No. 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.840 In June twenty twenty, wife and Rinch they try to 0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.439 make a last dish. Can we pull the marriage and 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:49.840 this project We've worked so hard? Can we get them 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.440 all back on road? They take a drive through the 0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:55.000 Hollywood Hills. They're up thereack on maul Holland and he's 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:57.280 gazing down at the city below, and then he looks 0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:59.359 up at the planes above and he tells his wife 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:02.040 that those are not planes, those are UFOs and they're 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:05.880 actually quote organic intelligent forces and they he's communicating with them, 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:06.400 and she's. 0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:08.240 Like, oh oh, he's still popping them pills. 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:10.159 Yes. Around the same time he texts his wife he 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:11.800 shows a little secret. This is when he tells her 0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:14.359 he's like, hey, baby, you know I can predict a 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:16.880 lightning strikes. You just want to be careful coming up right. 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:20.080 And he's also, I now can predict volcanoes. So he's 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.960 moving on. Yeah, he's got you know, volcanology under his belt. 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.080 And so in July, his wife's like, Okay, I want 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.800 to divorce you. This is rap. Not only that she 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.679 informs Netflix that her husband is unhinged because he's our 0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.600 business partner. They're cheaesy on so she's like, he's on balance, 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.399 he's unlikely to finish the production. Netflix exacts are like, 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.919 huh uh, we had noticed some strange behavior. Now, when 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:43.200 I say strange behavior, they had received emails where he's like, quote, 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.280 the coronavirus signal is emanating from within the earth. And 0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.280 they're like, yeah, that is kind of some strange behavior. 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:51.320 But you know how creatives are, so yeah, and uh, 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.119 things get better if you will, or worse. However, you 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:55.960 want to look at it for Netflix because you might 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:57.560 think this would spell the beginning of the end of 0:27:57.600 --> 0:27:59.320 this project at Netflix. One. We think they were going 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:00.760 to put this into turn and around, like they're going 0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:02.919 to put a pause on it. You would be wrong. 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.520 Why because of the high turnover. Remember I mentioned earlier. Well, 0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.280 Netflix reshuffled its executives and they got rid of the 0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:11.960 executive who'd brought the project in and they and the 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.280 one who sent them all the money she leaves Netflix. 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:14.680 Yeah. 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.560 So at this point, the new executive who's now in 0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:20.160 charge of Kong quest can we see the footage, because 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.600 like I'm now in charge, And his wife's like, oh yeah, 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:25.880 he's got the footage. And if I ask him for that, 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.040 he may do things you don't. He may come down 0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:30.040 to your office. You don't want that, right, And they're 0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:32.639 like really, and he's like, oh yeah, he's fully paranoid delusional, 0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.560 Like oh okay, well that's cool. Then. So Netflix sikes 0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.680 the other route. They informed the production that they're going 0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:39.720 to need their money back, so they like, can we 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:41.320 get our fifty five mil back? And so at this 0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:43.680 point is now March twenty twenty one, and things have 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.360 changed for the streaming wars the subscribers. At this point, 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.240 the numbers installed in some cases hard need to go down. 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:51.880 As New York Times reported, Netflix came to the conclusion 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:54.120 quote after a lot of time and effort, he became 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:56.720 clear that mister Rinch was never going to complete the 0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:59.080 project he'd agreed to make, and so we wrote the 0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.640 project off. They went the round of you're now attacks 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.959 right off? Yeah. Yeah, So the streamer informed Gabriella and 0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:08.000 thus Wrench that they were free to shop the project around. 0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:10.400 Oh really yeah, and if they can find a new buyer, 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:12.600 the new acquirer will have to give us fifty five 0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:13.720 million dollars. 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:14.040 Right. 0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:15.960 Oh, So that did not sit well with Carl Rinch, 0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.680 So he sends back a flurry of hotly worded emails. 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:20.960 All right, and he addressed the elephant in the room, 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:24.080 his sanity, and he wrote to Netflix to state it simply, 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:27.400 I am of sound mind and body. At the point 0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:30.000 you're telling people that in an email, I'm just gonna 0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:31.080 say that if. 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:32.880 You have to try and argue the fact that you 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:34.280 know you got it together. 0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:35.800 And you're not telling it in person, you're doing it 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:39.120 in email, it's like ten times worse good. Anyway. So 0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.480 to his credit, he was looking crazy, but crazy like 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:43.520 a fox. You see. While he lost a ton in 0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:46.080 the stock market, he also made a huge windfall on 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.840 his crypto bed Oh yeah, because he purchased a bunch 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:51.880 of doge coin and he invested four million dollars into 0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:53.720 doge coin. But it turned out I guess this is 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:55.840 what an elon was helping to pump and dump it. 0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.760 He sold off his holdings. His four million had bloomed 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:02.320 into twenty seven million wow hours on the come up. 0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:03.360 So did he pull it out? 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:05.320 Oh? Yeah, he pulled it out and he wrote in 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:07.240 some crypto forum I found He's like, thank you and 0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.080 God blessed crypto. So at this point he could have 0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.640 paid Netflix at least half of their money back. So 0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:15.440 what does he do, Elizabeth? He remember he's getting divorced, right, 0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:16.200 So what does he do? 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:17.880 Oh he pays nothing to anybody? 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.120 Yeah, exactly. So, as soon to be ex wife Gabriella, 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.040 she hired a forensic accountant who unearthed the whole trail 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:25.680 of where all the money went, because it wasn't like 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:27.479 he was hiding it. Well, so, according to The New 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:31.680 York Times, Wrench purchased quote five rolls royces a ferrari a, 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.160 three hundred and eighty seven thousand, six hundred and thirty 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.560 dollars Vacheron Constantine watch and millions of dollars worth of 0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:42.600 high end furniture and designer clothing wow final sum eight 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:45.720 point seven million dollars. To his wife's lawyers, he claimed 0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.520 that the money was not his and that this the cars, 0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:51.040 the wardrobe, even the watch the furniture. They were all 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:54.320 props for conquests and thus they belonged to Netflix and 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:56.040 they cannot be part of any divorce agreement. 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:59.200 Well, then the Netflix is like, can we have it back? 0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:02.320 Exactly? Mean. On his arbitration with Netflix's lawyers, he argued 0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:04.520 that the money is his and that not only that, 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:08.280 Netflix is contractually obligated to owe him fourteen more million dollars. 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:11.400 So Netflix's lawyers held the position, we disagree, and at 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:13.520 this point the parties are They're still in court. So 0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:16.680 in July this year, Netflix's lawyers argued that any Money's 0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:20.520 promised to wrench were contingent on his meeting production scheduled deadlines, 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:24.000 which he's thus far blown or ignored. Personally, I'm betting 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.200 on Netflix to win this one. What do you think, Elizabeth? 0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:27.640 I would second that. 0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:30.440 Now, since we don't have closure on this story, I 0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:32.480 thought i'd share another tale of con artist who tried 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:34.840 to finesse Netflix for millions. Only this next cat he 0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:37.680 pretended he was in business with Netflix so he could 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:41.840 convince investors that he had their back. Now, how do 0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.640 you think that played out? I'll give you a hint. 0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:48.040 He's on this show. So let's take a little break 0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:49.040 and we'll be right back and I'll tell you the 0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:50.120 story of Adam Joyner. 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.040 All right, Elizabeth, Yes, Aaron, we're back. 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.600 Yes, Elizabeth, I'd like you to meet my friend and neighbor, 0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:15.400 Adam Joyner. 0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:17.440 Hi, Adam, that's not real, it's familiar. 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.320 Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you know I covered this 0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.280 guy's story as a journalist and maybe you heard me 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:23.160 talking about it in the past. I went to court 0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:25.280 and I sat there as he had to face justice. Yeah, 0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:27.600 I got to watch his moments, right, and having seen 0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.760 his old vibe in person, I'm super surprised that he 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:33.320 thought he could pull this off. I'm just saying that, 0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.640 right anyway, Adam Johner, dude thirty eight to forty one 0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:38.440 throughout this right, So anyway, late thirties, early forties, Okay, 0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:40.680 So he was your typical Hollywood hopeful, right. He came 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:42.480 to town with an idea for a film, and he 0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.280 firmly believed he just needed to find a few investors, 0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:47.440 a Hollywood insider, someone who give him a chance, someone 0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:50.480 who could shepherd his film through the production process, and 0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:53.520 then boom, boom boom, he'd be the newest Hollywood hit filmmaker, 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.600 right the success story Now, Adam Joiner is from my 0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:58.960 neck of the woods. He went to Oakmont High School 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:01.560 in Roseville, California. He had graduated in nineteen ninety six. 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:04.000 He started out life not far from my hometown of Davis. 0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.400 Reading about this cat, he reminded me of dudes that 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:08.880 I grew up with. I felt like I know this guy, right. 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.440 So anyway, Adam Joyner has his idea for a film. 0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:12.960 We'll let you know. That's not right. It was his 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:15.480 brother's idea. His brother had an idea for a film, 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:17.560 and his brother wrote up a feature script for this 0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:20.560 story he called Legends, and according to IMDb, the would 0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:23.200 be film was going to be an anachronistic mashup of 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:26.160 legendary and historical figures from nineteenth century America, such as 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:30.000 Davy Crockett, Calamity Jane, Paul Bunyan, and John Henry. Yeah, 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:31.480 it's a lot right, Do with that what you will. 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:33.800 But as far as ideas go, it's kind of cute, 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.160 you know, and as an elevator pitch, it leaves you wondering, well, 0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:37.720 what would that even look like? What would that be? 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:39.840 Which is what you want from a good pitch and 0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.480 it kind of sounds like a film anyway. So September four, 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:46.880 twenty fourteen, Adam Joyner incorporates a production company, Dark Planet Pictures, 0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.720 and then he goes looking for money. One year later 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.440 he gets look. He meets a man who takes them seriously. 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.520 And this man's name is John Yee. Now, John Yee 0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.280 is he works for a Korean investment firm. He was 0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:00.440 curious about this film project and he's like, this sounds 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:02.360 like this could go it's got legs and Joiners like, 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:05.080 oh yeah, totally man. So this is because Joiner is 0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.520 lying to him right, and he's telling him he has 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:11.160 a distribution agreement with Netflix, and he's just looking for investors. 0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.600 None of the guys sparking to his idea, He's sparking 0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:17.200 to the conditions of his idea. Yes, now he is intrigued, 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.680 and he approaches an investment guy he knows Paul Huh 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:23.200 and his buddy Paul works at Korea Investment Partners Company 0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:26.400 or KIP, and there who ends up investing in this 0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:28.960 project and projects like this. I've worked with Korean investors 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:33.239 like this. So paulha He's located in Korea Joiners in California. 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:37.279 They primarily talk over emails a few phone calls. September ninth, 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:42.000 twenty sixteen, Joiner emails Paul and hefors him quote, things 0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:44.120 have begun to pick up steam with Netflix as a 0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:46.319 potential investor in the film. I have another meeting with 0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:49.279 them this week. Now that sets the hook. Three days later, 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.319 he emails them again. He gives a little yank on 0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:54.799 the line. He writes to Paul on Netflix, had another 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:56.880 good meeting with them yesterday and expect to receive a 0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:59.040 contract from them by the end of the week. So 0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:02.000 none of this is true or even remotely likely to 0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:04.440 come true. It was what we in the story industry 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:07.120 call a lie. Now, what I've been in this position, 0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:08.880 like I not the lying part, but I've been in 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:12.480 business was Korean investors. In fact, the company that helped start. 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:15.360 We merged with a Korean company. I know these investors 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:17.920 very well. A lot of paperwork and due diligence is done. 0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:20.160 They're not fly by the night, at least it was 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:23.239 the case for us. Now we had distribution deals in place, 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:24.760 so we had to show them this. We had to email. 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:27.520 We did exactly what he pretends to do now. In 0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.840 terms of independent, non studio backed Hollywood distribution deals go, 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:33.000 I'm not sure if you're familiar with them. It often 0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.360 plays out like this. A production company will secure a 0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:39.680 distribution deal with domestic or possibly foreign distributors before a 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:42.600 single frame has been shot, before actors have been cast anything, 0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:46.160 and then the company will they take this guaranteed distribution 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.920 agreement around to like groups of dentists or whatever, and 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.400 they raise money and then they're willing to kick on 0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:54.359 on this high risk investment. And then once you get 0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:56.560 the movie going, the studios will then come along and 0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:58.680 purchase that. That's how an indie film gets picked up. 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:00.560 So do you make the movie up with other people's 0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:03.280 money and then studio basically recoups and now the investors 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.040 get that first bit and then they also get will 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.479 get money if it goes to theaters, so it's good 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.640 for them, but not all movies get picked up, so 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:11.920 they're betting on you can get it through the process. 0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:15.040 So it wasn't unusual for Joinder to be doing business 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:17.480 the way he's doing it. Right, the Korean investors are like, sure, okay, 0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:19.520 so show us the deal if you have a deal. 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.600 He did not have a deal now. He hoped his 0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:24.799 lives would eventually catch up to reality. That was I 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:26.960 think his goal now. The in Korean investors they were 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.160 going to wire him millions of dollars for a production, 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:31.400 so they asked for confirmation of the deal with Netflix, 0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:34.839 and Paul wrote to Joiner, per our conversation, please ask 0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:37.200 someone at Netflix affects it again tomorrow and also send 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:40.320 it to the gmail's account below from Netflix domain email. 0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.160 Very clear at this point joyners so close to the 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.759 money he can practically smell it. So he just needs 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:50.319 to send over one email, and so he does. April seven, 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:52.960 twenty sixteen, a fax arrives in Korea. The cover letter 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:55.800 says that it serves two quote confirm and agreement between 0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:59.040 Netflix Inc. And Dark Planet Pictures LLC. Executed on March 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.960 thirty first, twenty six team. The facts is signed by 0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:04.080 a man with the title of Vice President Business and 0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:07.680 Legal Affairs, Content Acquisition for Netflix. Okay, right, And to 0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:10.600 further seal the deal, Joiner forwards an email from this 0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:14.400 same Netflix executive. The email arrives send from a Netflix 0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:18.360 email domain. In the forwarded email is the distribution agreement 0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:21.040 and it's signed by a third Netflix executive billed as 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.440 the chief content officer. It all looks legit, right, not 0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:26.040 that hard to fake though, I can just tell you 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:28.520 that right now. Yes, So to fully set the hook, 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:31.799 Joiner forwards an email from a second Netflix executive, also 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.480 from a Netflix domain account, obviously, and the exec says, 0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:36.680 looking forward to making this movie. 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:40.760 Wait, so he's forwarding. They're notrect forwarding emails. 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.920 So due to the opaque nature of business in Hollywood, 0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:46.560 Paul and his Korean investment firms they can't really confirm 0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:48.640 who these Netflix are and who would be involved, who 0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.240 would be in charge. So they're relying on these forwarded 0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:54.279 email chains for veracity, and also the faxes and the 0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:56.919 signed distribution. It looks pretty good on paper. When there's 0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:00.000 a bunch of them together in conglomerate, it looks legitimate. 0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:03.480 Day of deliberation later, the Korean investment firm signs an 0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:07.120 investment deal with Joiner. The investment is eight million dollars. 0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.320 A week later, the first half of the investment is 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:12.840 wired to Joiner's bank account. He's now got four million 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:14.960 dollars in his Bank of America account. 0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:17.520 And nothing to show now now and he's done it. 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:19.799 He's conned his way into millions of dollars. He's got 0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:22.600 four more on the backside coming in eventually. Keep in mind, 0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:25.759 this is a married man, father of three girls. And 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:29.800 the crimes he's engaging in wirefraud of you know, false accounting, 0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.520 so forth, this maximum sentence of twenty years behind bars 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:34.640 in federal prison. He's setting himself up for Oh god, 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:36.600 at this moment though, he's not thinking about any of that, 0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:39.879 because he's got four million dollars of other people's money. Elizabeth, 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:44.600 April fifteenth, ironically twenty sixteen, aka tax Day. Joiner takes 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:46.560 a trip down to the bank and he withdraws eight 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:48.799 hundred thousand dollars and he transferred it to a little 0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:51.320 joint account he and his wife's share. Oh cute. 0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:53.640 Not make a nice trail there exactly. 0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:55.560 Not a business account either. So now that he's tasted 0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:58.120 success from his con job, Joiner wants more. He goes back. 0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:00.880 He double dips. He approaches a second set of foreign investors, 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:04.319 this time Chinese investors. Could the scam work twice? Elizabeth, 0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:07.920 oh Man, you better believe it did, baby. He contacts 0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:11.160 Star Sentry Pictures Company Limited, which is an affiliate of 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:14.160 PGA Young Park Capital Limited and which is in itself 0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:16.719 an investment firm in the People's Republic of China. So, 0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:19.480 using the same fraudulent paperwork he used to scam the 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:22.840 Korean investors, Joiners able to peel an additional six million 0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:25.880 out of his new Chinese investors. Wow, he now has 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.440 ten million dollars of other people's money parked in his 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.759 bank accounts, with four million to come. Adam, Joiner has 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.920 done it, and now he feels like an official Hollywood 0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:37.719 play a baby, so he starts to live like it. Elizabeth, 0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:40.279 you just conned foreign investors out of ten million. What 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:41.160 would you do with it? 0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:46.000 Mmmm? Hide it somewhere I don't know, Swiss bank account 0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:49.480 I disappear. They're gonna come and get you. 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:53.440 Yes, yeah, Well it's the summer twenty sixteen at this point, 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:55.640 so there's plenty of stuff to buy, plenty of stuff 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:58.200 to enjoy, very pre COVID. Everybody's like out. So what 0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:01.000 does Joiner spend his lud on? You get loose with it? Well, 0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:02.600 rather than tell you about it, Elizabeth, I would like 0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:03.320 you to close. 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.120 Your eyes, my eyes a close and picture it. 0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:09.160 Elizabeth, you are a Southern California realtor, one who sells 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:12.080 homes in the Manhattan Beach area. It's a Saturday, one 0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:13.960 of your busiest days of the week. You're at your 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:16.279 third home tour of the day. At the moment, you're 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.160 standing on the second floor deck, the gentle ocean breeze 0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:23.000 thrills against your cheek as the seabirds sound in the distance. 0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:25.799 The married couple on the second floor patio with you 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:29.960 a whisper between themselves. After you hear their whispers fall silent, 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:33.280 you gracefully turn. You ask the pair, mister and missus Joyner, 0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:36.200 can you imagine stepping out onto this patio, filling your 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.840 lungs with that ocean air and enjoying the fruits of 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.920 all of your hard work. The husband looks at his wife. 0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:46.160 His smile is wide proud. He replies, I sure can now. 0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:48.879 The house is one of your long daddy's you're hoping 0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:51.719 to move soon? Yeah, This Manhattan Beach dream home is 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.400 four two hundred and sixty five square feet to poast, 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:57.120 five bedrooms and five baths. The price tag for this 0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:01.360 beauty five point three five million dollars. Pictures don't do 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.160 the place justice. Also, the all white on white with 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:07.040 touches of slate and gray. That decor that wasn't your idea. 0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:09.759 But anyway, that said, here are a few picks so 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.360 you could describe what you're looking at in realitor terms, 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.120 like could you sell me on this Elizabeth for sure? 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:17.479 Well, I happen to have the description of the dream 0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.759 home from Zillow. You know I love Zillo. Inside this 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:24.360 California dream beach house, you discover that the ground floor 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:28.520 features a large family room, secluded bathroom, suite, mudroom, and 0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:32.400 three car garage. The second level showcases a striking vaulted 0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:36.560 beam ceiling, great room with fireplace, private office, gourmet kitchen 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:39.799 with top of the line appliances, dining nook, walk in 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:43.480 butler's pantry, cozy den with fireplace, and a barbecue deck. 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:45.840 Okay, you got my attention. I'm listening, but I like 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:48.399 the joiners. I'm still on the fence. Make me want 0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:49.320 to wire my money? 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:53.160 Okay. Located in the heart of Old Manhattan, the hidden 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:56.920 gem of the Sand Section, this peaceful enclave is the 0:41:56.960 --> 0:42:00.400 only area of MB that offers tree lines, eats, with 0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:03.560 sidewalks and parking on both sides of the street. The 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:07.799 ideal northwest corner lot location allows for abundant full day 0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:11.719 natural light, panoramic hill section views, and a beautiful bank 0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:14.200 of lush landscaping along the eastern sideyard. 0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:17.279 Yes, talk that talk, you know what. I think that 0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:20.200 Really the key is if you're paying five point five mil, 0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:22.839 you want trees on both sides of the streets. I mean, 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:25.120 come on that right, Okay, Well, here's what the houses 0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:27.920 look like in full living color. Feasts your eyes on that. 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:32.279 From the outside, it just looks like a steamship, like 0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:36.000 a paddle boat. Steamer on that totally. And then those 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:37.320 are bushes. Those aren't trees. 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:43.200 Exack. It looks like Tyler Perry designed this place. 0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.920 I would like to see a cluttered for like rich people. 0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:47.279 And he's like, here, I think this is what rich 0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:51.680 people like. No, it's not good. Well, anyway, As the 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:54.120 tour of the dream beach home nears its end, you 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.200 take a read of the couple. You can't tell if 0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:58.960 they're into it or not. Back downstairs, you point out 0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:02.160 the ground level patio and casually compliment the perspective buyer. 0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:04.880 You say, with a smile in your voice, do you 0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:07.359 seem like the kind of husband would really appreciate having 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:10.719 your own barbecue deck. Missus Joyner shares a look with 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:14.200 her husband. They both smile a conspiratorial grin. Seems you 0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.480 hit your mark to seal the deal, you say, and 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:19.239 Missus Joyner, if I'm guessing right, I'm betting you may 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:21.680 want to keep some of the all white furniture. She 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:25.040 nods enthusiastically. Sure, looks like you've made your saal, Elizabeth. 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:27.680 So you go for broke and you say, if you 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:29.799 guys want to make it official, like right now with 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.600 an offer. I happen to have a bottle of champagne 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:35.440 in the fridge and some champagne flutes. Shall I do 0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.920 the honors? After you call your office with their offer 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:41.400 on the dream beach house, you all cheers. 0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:43.520 I hate myself. 0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:48.240 Well you did it, Elizabeth. You just help the Joiners 0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:49.680 spend their ill gotten games. 0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:51.279 You got two kids? Are going to keep the all 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:52.000 white interior? 0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:56.200 Oh yeah, look, we not three boys, so anyway to 0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:58.560 purchase girls can be messy too. Don't get me wrong, 0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:00.800 but for everybody. I'm not a PA. But from everything 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:01.759 I hear, you have three boys. 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:03.480 One of them is a toddler. 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.000 Oh yeah, forget about it. Oh yeah, no, forget about 0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:07.759 for sure. I mean, I don't mean to be like, 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:10.640 you know, undercutting the kind of. 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:13.120 Messes just as messy as a man. 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:16.919 You are, right, more so, yes, even more so. Now, 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:20.160 three weeks after all of this, he was wired six 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:23.160 million from his Chinese investors, Star Century. So Joiner pulled 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:26.280 that money back out immediately and he transferred one hundred 0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:29.800 and sixty thousand, five hundred to his California investor escrow company. 0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:32.080 Then that was a deposit on the home he just 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:36.120 bought from you. Wow, was deposit one hundred and sixty thousand. 0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:40.239 That was like just a little old this this is mine. Yeah, 0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:41.640 it wasn't a down payment. 0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:44.520 It's like honestly, and I don't care what it's called. 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:47.359 What I don't get is it. Sure seems like even 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.240 though he's now fully blowing his wad of other people's 0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:52.560 money on a home for his family, it seems like 0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:55.600 Adam Joyner still planned to make his movie Legends because 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:57.880 he started to reach out some real hitters like enter 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:02.640 the true Hollywood players, Elizabeth, Yeah, this cat, No, he's 0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:05.520 already circling. No, not in this story, the cat. The 0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:07.440 Joiner approach to make his Dreams Comes true? Is this 0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:10.240 dude named Don Murphy. Now, if you're deep into film history, 0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:12.920 you know Don Murphy, but unlikely for most other people. 0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:15.560 Just explain it. Joiner plans to pay Don Murphy to 0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:18.759 shepherd his film forward and make the necessary connections and 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.759 introductions to Hollywood heavyweights. Right. So Don Murphy is one 0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:24.680 of those like like gruff, old school producer types, right, 0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:26.400 they kind of used to like stink of cigars. And 0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:29.480 he'd produce Natural Born Killers for a Oliver Stone. Right. 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:31.400 In fact, he'd taken the script from a young Quentin 0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:33.919 Tarantino who was trying to break into Hollywood at this point, 0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:36.279 and he convinced Oliver Stone to come aboard and to 0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:39.480 direct it. So he gets him. He does, He makes it, 0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:42.440 much to Tarantino's dismay and because he lost control, and 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.240 that's where he started being like, I'm gonna lock down everything. Anyway. 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.640 Don Murphy later went on to produce movies for Michael Bay. 0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:50.600 He's that kind of guy. Oh okay, So Adam Joyner 0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:53.000 contacts Don Murphy's like I want to blow stuff up, 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:55.440 you know, like I got money, what do we do? 0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:58.239 And he's like, so he asked them do for me 0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:01.680 what you did for Tarantino. Like, now, Don Murphy's like, sure, kid, 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.759 but it'll cost you a million dollars. Specifically, he's had 0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.759 one point two billion dollars. Okay, no, I Actually he's 0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:09.759 some cigar chomping seventy year old. This dude is a 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.320 gen X producer. He was like born in nineteen sixty seven. 0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:15.239 So Joiner's stoke. They're close enough in age they get 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.320 each other. So he sends an update to his investors. 0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:19.840 He tells Paul that he quote was expecting to secure 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:22.160 Don Murphy by this Friday to be our quote name 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.319 producer for the film. Don has done all the Transformer 0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:28.919 movies and several others. He has discussed wanting to bring 0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:31.400 in Michael Bay to direct, so we plan to explore that. 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:34.839 So this none of this is true. So that wasn't 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.040 just kind of untrue, it was patently false anyway. Joiner 0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:40.600 transfer is the first installment to an Escrow account to 0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:43.719 be transferred to Don Murphy. Meanwhile, that same summer, he 0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:46.640 finally closes in on his new beach house. He transfers 0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:50.120 five million, one hundred ninety nine hundred and sixteen dollars 0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:53.560 and ninety two cents to the California Investor escrow, and 0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:56.400 then about five weeks later, on September twelfth, Joiner transferred 0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:58.880 another one hundred and twenty thousand into the joint account 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:01.040 that he shared with his wife. I assume this is 0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.160 to decorate and furnish the home, probably right, you know, 0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:05.280 I got to get more all white furniture. So anyway, 0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:07.600 In total, Joiner at this point is transferred nine hundred 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:09.720 and twenty thousand to his personal joint account as well, 0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.080 and he has dropped five point three point five on 0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.560 the Manhattan Beach dream House in total grand total six 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:18.839 point two seven million. Also throw on the one point 0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:22.040 two million he's promised Don Murphy. So all of this 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:24.080 in his prior transfers and all that, it leaves a 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:26.719 tidy sum of three point one two six million for 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:30.399 his Legends movie. Okay, not a lot left, but guess 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:34.960 what happens next? Enter Steven Spielberg, Gyelmo, Gueramo del Toro, 0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:39.879 and Oscar hopeful Bradley Cooper. What yes, So, if you're 0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.040 going to distract someone, Elizabeth, it helps if you have 0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:44.400 a shiny object, and it doesn't have to be literally 0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:46.920 shiny it can be Steven Spielberg shiny right like, So 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:49.000 that's what he is. He needs to catch their attention. 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:51.040 And those names, did it seo? You popped up? 0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:51.439 Oh yeah. 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:54.040 On October first, twenty sixteen, Adam Joinder sends a new 0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:57.200 update to his Asian investors, specifically tells them, we agreed 0:47:57.200 --> 0:48:00.680 to terms verbally yesterday with Gueramo del Toro and his agent. 0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:04.600 This was another the one he told to by himself 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:07.400 some time so months past. No new deals are announced. 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:09.600 He's still trying to like get Don Murphy to make 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:12.840 this happen. No director signs onto the project. Don Murphy's 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.040 got his money, but it ain't nothing happening. So his 0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:18.000 investors grow anxious. Joinner decides to up the wattage of 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:21.239 the star power. He brings him Bradley Cooper and Steven Spielberg. 0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:24.440 He says he's shopping the project to Spielberg's company Ambulance, 0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:27.120 and it looks like Steven is talking about bringing Bradley aboard. 0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:29.200 Of course, you know, Bradley Cooper, not Brad Pitt. You know, 0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:31.840 want to keep your Brad speck. So the Joiner informs 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.840 his investors what this all means he'll need to cancel 0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:37.279 their Netflix deal so they can jump to Universal in 0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:41.040 Spielberg's company. Then he sends over a new memorandum of understanding, 0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:43.080 so that way there's paper. The truth is there's no 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:45.840 deal with Spielberg, not in place, not in distribution, not 0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:48.440 in the wind, not in talks, nothing, Just like in reality, 0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:50.759 there's no Netflix deal, and now there's no longer even 0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:54.040 an imaginary Netflix deal, so there's just nothing. So this 0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:56.440 is a problem for his Asian investors. They want their 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:59.040 money back, so that's gonna be difficult unless they want 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.160 a beach house in California. Yeah, so what are you 0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:03.440 gonna do? Joinder goes for broke. He turns around and 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:05.799 he asks for more money. He's like, you want your 0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:07.640 money back. I want more money from you, and they're 0:49:07.719 --> 0:49:11.440 like what he He must be onto something. There's no 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:14.839 way money could ask us for money if they were 0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:17.960 counting us, who would do that, Elizabeth, that's the move. 0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:20.120 Apparently for these guys, it's like when in doubt ask 0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:22.040 for more money. Yeah, and it keeps them off their toes. 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:24.200 Business people are like, what does he No, I don't 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:27.960 know what's going on anyway, Carl rent his play works 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:31.920 just like for this guy, boldness strikes and Kip transfers 0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:34.120 the second half of their eight million investments. So now 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:37.480 he's got all the Asian investors' money that's been contractually obligated. 0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:40.919 So this at this point January eleventh, twenty seventeen, he's 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:43.760 got the extra four million. Two days later, he transfers 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:46.279 that to his business account. He's like, whoo and that 0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:49.279 goes to me. Now he hasn't told his business partners this, 0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:52.520 but he's starting a second project now, so he the 0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:55.560 second project, get this is called stock Car Willie. And 0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:58.320 there's no way you'll guess this, but according to I MDB, 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:02.000 the film is about an African American driver who turns 0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:06.960 the world of NASCAR upside down. Willick Car Willie. Okay, 0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:11.200 steamboat Willie. But I don't know that there is a 0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:14.239 real life black NASCAR and f one driver whose name 0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:17.719 is Willie t Rips. I assume that's who this must be, 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:20.600 or maybe it's a fictional tale of a black NASCAR driver, 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:22.280 like you know, talented, nice. 0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:25.239 Style, magical driver, magical, oh man. 0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:27.399 But I find it interesting that this project is where 0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:29.960 he wants to invest his Asian investors money without their consent. 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.759 I'm like, that's not going to game on it. 0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:35.719 Honestly, where does he think this is all going to go? 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:38.879 I do not know. It's the wildest Why I sat 0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:41.080 there in court behind him, that was the only question 0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:42.840 I was burning into the back of his head, was like, 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:45.239 what was your play man? How did you think it 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:47.040 was going to end How you didn't think it was 0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:49.480 going to end here? You didn't get yourself a good lawyer, 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:52.920 so you didn't save money for that? So what happened anyway? Meanwhile, 0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.799 no news from Don Murphy. That's bad now his his 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:59.279 name producer is not bringing in any names. So the 0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:02.800 foreign investors finally lose their patients. The email Joiner demanding 0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:05.000 proof of where their money is and they want notarized 0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:07.960 bank statements. Joiner does as requested. He sends them a 0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:12.520 forged notarized monthly bank statement in his falsified docket shows 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:15.440 that his business account has eleven zero point eight million 0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:17.479 dollars and he's like, yeah, there it is the true 0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:22.200 amount in the account, thirty two six eight pots. So 0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:24.799 on March thirty first, Joiner sends in his investors the 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:28.399 bad news we lost Bradley Cooper. Oh no, so yeah. 0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:32.120 He cites quote internal politics with Universal ambling, you know, 0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:35.359 and says things went badly after quote Bradley Cooper turned 0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:38.240 down the agreement of the Universal Universal decided to refuse 0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:40.560 pay miss d ambling. It's the whole thing, man. 0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:42.080 What if Bradley Cooper finds. 0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:43.640 Out I know, that's it tears it his in. Foreign 0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:45.680 investors they come for their money. They're like, look, man, 0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:49.560 hands out. And on April twenty six, twenty seventeen, lawyers 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:52.600 in the United States, representing the Chinese investment firm Star 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.680 Century and then PGA Young Park Capital, they file a 0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:58.279 lawsuit in the La Superior Courthouse in Torrance. They're like, 0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:00.120 we can reach you, we can touch you. By we 0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:03.000 got lawyers, so they demand that they demand the new 0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:05.640 Manhattan Beach House because they also have forensic accountants. They 0:52:05.680 --> 0:52:06.680 found out where the money went. 0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:09.000 All the wife's Lulu Lemmons exactly. 0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:12.480 So Jones tries to fight the lawsuit in court. Six 0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:15.200 months of infighting, then the judge orders the sheriff to 0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:19.040 auction off the house, so Beach House gets sold. The investors. Meanwhile, 0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:21.239 they contact Don Murphy. They're like, we hear you got 0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:22.920 one point two million of our money. He's like, who 0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:25.239 are you people? What are you talking about? He has 0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:27.399 no idea, he's never heard about that because he's never 0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:29.640 been pitched to any of this. Right too, He's at this 0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:32.120 point received two hundred grand from the promise one point 0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:35.080 two million. Yeah, the investors determined that Joiner had transferred 0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:37.440 four under grant of that back to himself, so he 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:41.360 had also been conning. Don Murphy apparently entered the FBI. Yeah. 0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:46.000 July eighteen, FBI surveils the Manhattan Beach dream House. They're 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:48.320 looking for him. They're like, where is this Joiner? Agents 0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:50.200 contact Don Murphy, like, when's the last time you talked 0:52:50.200 --> 0:52:53.200 to Joiner? They contact Netflix if you talk to Joiner, 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:55.279 who's the and they ask all the questions. They're like, 0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:56.960 we don't know this guy, We've never heard of them. 0:52:57.239 --> 0:53:00.800 They contact Steven Spielberg's ambulance, they contact Brad Cooper's wraps, 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:02.960 they contact everybody. Everyone's like who. 0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:03.680 Yeah. 0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:06.640 August twenty seventh, FBI returns to the beach house to 0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:09.200 arrest Adam Joyner. They have all their ducks in a row. 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.600 Now he's away on vacation with his family. Perhaps he 0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:14.560 wanted one last long look at freedom before he spend 0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:17.279 the rest of his life in federal prison. Anyway, he 0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:19.719 contacts the FBI after he hears that they're looking for 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:22.520 him via his lawyers, and he arranges his owner arrest. 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:25.319 He promises that he'll surrender himself just as soon as 0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:28.600 he's back from vacation. This is the only promise he kicks. 0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:31.560 He does surrender himself. Yeah. So, now did he really 0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:33.640 think he could sit in his ill gotten beach house 0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:36.600 and just be like telling his overseas investors come at me, bro. 0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:38.839 Yeah, I mean, like that's what I think is gonna happen. 0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:40.719 Yeah, that was his approach. He really was like, look, 0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:43.600 we're done, you guys are this is done. This is over. 0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:46.200 He sent them emails of like, don't contact don Murphy anymore. 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:48.719 I heard you contacted. Don't do that. This is over. 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:50.200 I don't even want to deal with you guys. And 0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:52.440 he's like, they're like, you have our money, bro, He's like, 0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:56.040 you know what, that's not the issue. So anyway, Oh, 0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:58.680 by the way, he eventually entered a guilty plea in 0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:01.280 federal courthouse when I was there, and he was sentenced 0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:04.600 to eight years in federal prisonikes. Yeah, so see your 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:07.120 girls cook them in the years. Yeah, Adam join your 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:09.440 story proves the point. If you're in the US, if 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:11.880 you steal fourteen dollars worth of food, the cops they 0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:13.799 may shoot you. Don't do that right, Yeah, but if 0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:17.720 you steal fourteen million dollars, a US attorney will contact 0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:19.319 you and they ask you to turn yourself in and 0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:21.839 then you can arrange if you want, you get back 0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:23.719 from vacation. That's how you do it. So remember, kids, 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:27.200 if you can steal, steal big anyway, that's our That's it. 0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:29.640 That's all I got for you. What's our ridiculous takeaway? Elizabeth, 0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:34.840 I tell you get stupid with it right exactly as alway. 0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:37.840 You can find us online Ridiculous Crime on Twitter, that 0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:42.000 x whatever, Instagram threads, at Jamama's house. We have a 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:44.600 website ridiculous Crime dot com. We also like your talk 0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:47.880 facts emails if you want at ridiculous Crime at gmail 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:50.759 dot com. Thanks for listening, Catch you next crime, y'all. 0:54:56.320 --> 0:54:59.360 Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnettes, 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:02.600 produce and edited by the Steven Spielberg. To our Bradley 0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:06.000 Cooper Dave Cousten. 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