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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with

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Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Now I feel like I have

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Speaker 1: formed a romance after talking to today's guest, because we

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Speaker 1: bonded on so many different levels. I could have talked

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Speaker 1: to him forever. Sun Hunley stars in Exokitty. It's the

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Speaker 1: new smash hit show on Netflix that is taking over

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Speaker 1: the world now. The show is about a girl named

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Speaker 1: boarding school attended by her late mother. But things don't

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Speaker 1: arrives and her happily ever after, well how do I

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Speaker 1: say this? It gets a little messy. Sun Hunley is

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Speaker 1: one of the many interesting people Kittie meets in South Korea,

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Speaker 1: and he plays the character of Minho brilliantly. He will

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Speaker 1: have you howling on the floor in laughter. He is

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Speaker 1: so good in this role. But what's so cool about

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Speaker 1: my guest today is that this was the very first

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Speaker 1: job he has ever booked in Hollywood, and he booked

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Speaker 1: it off an Instagram cast call. You heard that correctly,

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Speaker 1: So it just goes to show you never know when

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Speaker 1: your moment is about to come right and to give

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Speaker 1: you an idea of how popular the show became. Sunghan

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Speaker 1: gamed over a million followers in the show's first weekend

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Speaker 1: He has a really interesting background, having lived in Korea,

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Speaker 1: side to this. I don't know a really cool dude.

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Speaker 1: That's all I can say to describe him. He is

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Speaker 1: a cool dude. So let's see if today we can

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Speaker 1: get Sunghan Lee to say something that he has never

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Speaker 1: said before. Songhan, it is so nice to officially meet you.

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Speaker 1: How are you today?

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Speaker 2: I'm all right, thanks for asking how are you?

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Speaker 1: I am fantastic. I'm so excited to be chatting with you.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot to dive into, but first off,

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Speaker 1: I was doing a little investigating. I like to get

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Speaker 1: to know who I'm chatting with a little bit before

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Speaker 1: we actually meet. And something that struck me is what

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Speaker 1: you wrote in your Instagram bio. Now on Instagram bio

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Speaker 1: says quite a lot about who we are. I firmly

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Speaker 1: believe that, right. Okay, so you have a quote, and

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Speaker 1: that quote is life is either a daring adventure or

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Speaker 1: nothing at all.

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Speaker 3: Talk to me. Yeah, you put that in your bio.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're the first person to ask me about that,

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Speaker 4: which I'm kind of glad that you asked because it's

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Speaker 4: that I got from Funny enough, I got this quote

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Speaker 4: from watching this YouTube channel called Yes Theory. And Yes

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Speaker 4: Theory is about these these few guys in the in

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Speaker 4: the channel where they go through.

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Speaker 2: Adventures by saying yes the lot and yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's kind of like self explained to it,

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Speaker 4: like yes Theory, and they put into like different scenarios

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Speaker 2: Go through some amazing outcomes.

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Speaker 4: And because of that, I remember them saying like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: good quote. I think I should live with that because

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Speaker 4: every day is an adventure and I can't wait for

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Speaker 4: the next day. What's going to happen next? So I

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Speaker 4: put that on a bioty just to remind myself. Nah. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: live every day in a fulfilled way. Yeah, don't waste

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Speaker 1: So you're someone who strikes me as a risk taker,

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Speaker 1: Is that right.

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Speaker 2: A little bit? Yeah? You got to risk it for

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Speaker 1: Well, I love that, And you certainly took a risk

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Speaker 1: when you auditioned for the Smash Hit Show on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: Exo Kitty, congratulations, man Than, thank you so much. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, it's taken the world by storm. You of

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Speaker 1: course play Minhaw in the series, and you took a

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Speaker 1: casting and by the way, for everyone listening, your sister

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Speaker 1: is also on the series. So when you saw that post,

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Speaker 5: Well, honestly, I just start because Jia sent me this

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Speaker 4: And I was being so lazy, honestly, I think I

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Speaker 4: me out and yeah I'm in Korea. What are they

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Speaker 4: So back then I wasn't going to go for it.

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Speaker 4: And then until there was like three days left until

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Speaker 1: Well, it's incredible because it's your first, you know, acting

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Speaker 1: this series that catapulted you to international you know fame

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Speaker 1: you since you booked the series and put in the

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Speaker 1: work in doing it. I'm curious to know, with a

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Speaker 1: ever dabbled or kind of fought with the imposter syndrome?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Do you ever kind of think or have thought I

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Speaker 3: Do you have those thoughts?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean during the time I was filming, I

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Speaker 4: oh my days, I was like the worst day ever,

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Speaker 4: like like I could have done better and everything. But

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Speaker 4: So I think if someone is being really harsh with themselves,

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Speaker 4: So I don't really think of it as like a

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Speaker 4: of it as you're really trying to be a better person.

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Speaker 1: So I love that it's pushing yourself to the point

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Speaker 3: Yeah, basically that's awesome. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: So that first day on set, how exciting must that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, damn.

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Speaker 4: Like, so my first day, Actually, my first day wasn't

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Speaker 2: And yeah, it was just like acting.

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Speaker 4: Boot camp really for like the first I would say

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I would will miss a Mark, and yeah, it

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Speaker 4: all right, let's get this thing together and I'm here

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Speaker 4: to work, right, Let's show them what you've got that

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Speaker 4: you've You've gone through so many auditions, you've waited for

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Speaker 2: Let's not fuck this up and let's go for it.

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Speaker 4: So that's when I was like, Okay, I think I

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm here to work, Let's do this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was definitely hard because damn, like the

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about your character for a second. Minho He's confident,

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Speaker 1: some might say he's overly confident, very much cares about

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Speaker 4: I think the easiest time I would say that I

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Speaker 4: But even if someone acts so flashy and confident in

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Speaker 4: there's someone who's always reaching out for love and who's

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Speaker 2: It was I was I was really trying to balance

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Speaker 1: You very much strike me as someone who wants to

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Speaker 1: continue learning and growing and and I know, kind of pivoting.

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Speaker 1: You have another project coming out later this summer, Gran Turismo.

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Speaker 1: You worked with Darren Burnett, another big Netflix star.

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Speaker 3: I've interviewed him.

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Speaker 1: He's wonderful, and I was reading that, you know, you

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Speaker 1: kind of looked up to him as almost like a mentor.

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Speaker 1: You were asking him questions. He was kind of showing

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Speaker 1: And I think that with success, a lot of people

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Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, definitely, because I think the one thing

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tommy.

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Speaker 4: By the way, I'm just going to say this right now,

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Speaker 4: so far, And thank you for having me honestly, like,

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Speaker 3: Oh man, thank you. That means a lot to me.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I started the show because I want people to

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Speaker 4: You really done your research, like everything was spall and

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Speaker 4: just hoping that I succeed.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that really strikes me that I love

439
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Speaker 1: is exokitty kind of emerges in this new era we're

440
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: in of great you know, Asian American productions, and you're

441
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: seeing more and more work in this space, right with

442
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: beef and everything everywhere all at once, and now this

443
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Speaker 1: and the list goes on and hopefully it will continue

444
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Speaker 1: going on and on.

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Speaker 3: For you.

446
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've met so many people who who have

447
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: shared with you what seeing the show means to them.

448
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: How have those reactions impacted you? Do you feel kind

449
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Speaker 1: of that not the weight, but do you feel the

450
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Speaker 1: beauty will say around that of how you're helping so

451
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Speaker 1: many people feel seen.

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Speaker 4: You know what, I didn't really have the Asian representation

453
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Speaker 4: thing in my mind whilst I was in Korea, because

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Speaker 4: I think I think that was quite natural for me

455
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 4: to think that way, because I was surrounded by Koreans

456
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Speaker 4: and the films.

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Speaker 2: Or the TV.

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Speaker 4: Every time I turn on the TV, it will be

459
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Speaker 4: like an Asian film or Asian TV series or whatever,

460
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Speaker 4: like a Korean TV series. So in that sense, I

461
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Speaker 4: didn't think that it was such a huge deal the

462
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Speaker 4: fact that there's an Asian face in an American series

463
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Speaker 4: or film that's that's.

464
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Speaker 2: Leading or whatever. So I think I didn't really think

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Speaker 2: that much.

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Speaker 4: You know, I still don't think that it's like a

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Speaker 4: I think it's a huge deal, although I wouldn't consider

468
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Speaker 4: it as like a thing where you know, people should

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Speaker 4: flaunt about it or be like they should really say

470
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Speaker 4: something so meaningful, because I think, you know, you know,

471
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Speaker 4: at the end of the day, we're just getting to

472
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Speaker 4: know the faces of you know, different actors. Right, We're

473
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Speaker 4: all we're all we're all human being, like, we're all

474
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Speaker 4: people here. Doesn't matter what color you are of your skin,

475
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Speaker 4: it's just you know, just actors playing a role. Right,

476
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Speaker 4: So hopefully what I'm trying to say is hopefully people

477
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Speaker 4: the audience will get used to the fact that you know,

478
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Speaker 4: there's an Asian face out there, there's a there's just

479
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Speaker 4: an actor there, one actress whatever, and then just you know,

480
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Speaker 4: playing his role, playing a role. And hopefully you know,

481
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Speaker 4: the kids who the team are, the kids who the

482
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Speaker 4: fans who grew up who watched our show grows up

483
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Speaker 4: and be like, oh, yeah, my favorite show was ex

484
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Speaker 4: O Kitty Like, and then I bet they didn't even

485
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Speaker 4: I bet you know it would be back by then

486
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Speaker 4: when they grow up, it's like it's not even a

487
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Speaker 4: it's not even like a huge deal about that, Oh

488
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Speaker 4: about the whole Asian representation.

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Speaker 2: It's more like, Oh, they're just great actors. They're just

490
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Speaker 2: great actresses.

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Speaker 4: Like that's it, Like there's nothing more to it, and

492
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Speaker 4: hopefully that will come up.

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Speaker 2: That's the outcome I'm hoping for.

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Speaker 1: I think we're getting there. I think we are definitely

495
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Speaker 1: getting there. That's that's awesome and very interesting. Your perspective

496
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Speaker 1: going from where you you know, where you were living

497
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Speaker 1: to America and seeing how it was so common and

498
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Speaker 1: normal there and then hearing here how people are like,

499
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Speaker 1: oh my god, finally we're seeing it. So I think

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Speaker 1: you're hoping that that gap will be bridged, and I'm

501
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Speaker 1: certain it will be.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's the moment of truth. Are you ready for it?

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Speaker 4: Go on?

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Speaker 3: Then, what is one thing that you have never said before?

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Speaker 4: I don't mind saying this because it's something that made

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Speaker 4: me who I am. I always act confident. I'm never

507
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Speaker 4: I'm never truly confident with what I do like in life,

508
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Speaker 4: in like talking to people, and when I this is a.

509
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Speaker 2: Very huge.

510
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Speaker 4: Topic on talking about, like it's just too broad, but

511
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Speaker 4: if I go into the specifics, I'm never confident with

512
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Speaker 4: talking to people and to guys or girls or.

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Speaker 5: Or like.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I'm not confident with myself, but I try to

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Speaker 4: act confident, and that's when I think.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's.

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Speaker 4: Probably because during my childhood I was bullied during while

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Speaker 4: I was in Korea and in Hong Kong and in

519
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Speaker 4: Korea back then, I was bullied because I didn't know

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Speaker 4: how to speak Korean, and that's I got bullied.

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Speaker 2: These from these classmates and.

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Speaker 4: The teacher were yeah, and the teacher didn't like she

523
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Speaker 4: did not want to talk to me for some reason.

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Speaker 4: I was holding this dictionary like this, this keypad dictionary,

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Speaker 4: like I was just like typing away like the words

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Speaker 4: and like translated back to English, and I was like, okay,

527
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 4: so that's what it means. But people hated that. People

528
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 4: think I was a foreigner, and then they called me

529
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Speaker 4: names and I did not like that. They beat me

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Speaker 4: up for that reason. So I had a horrible childhood.

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Speaker 4: But I'm never ashamed to say that, because you know,

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Speaker 4: that's what whatever happened in the past, this is what

533
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Speaker 4: I am right now. And I'm pretty happy with what

534
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Speaker 4: I am right now because I even if I'm not

535
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Speaker 4: truly confident, I can act like I'm confident and because

536
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Speaker 4: of that, it helps me get things done and it helps.

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Speaker 2: Me get to where I want to be.

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Speaker 4: So you know, like, okay, let's also for example, like

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Speaker 4: let's just say that there's a girl that I think,

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Speaker 4: oh she's she's gorgeous, like she's so amazing, but there's

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Speaker 4: no way I can talk to her like confidently, and

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Speaker 4: I was I was just put like a mask on

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Speaker 4: her face and be like, all right, so how are

544
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Speaker 4: you doing? Like like I would just act like I'm

545
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Speaker 4: like this this charismatic person, but really I'm like, no,

546
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Speaker 4: I'm actually not really quite shy. I can't do this thing,

547
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Speaker 4: but I'm going to go for my shot. Like but

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Speaker 4: you know, I say all this thing like as if

549
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Speaker 4: you know it's a bad thing about acting confident, but

550
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Speaker 4: you know what not, really people act every day in

551
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Speaker 4: their lives, right, and whether it's a good thing or

552
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 4: a bad thing. I wasn't like they can lie about

553
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Speaker 4: themselves or hide their feelings and show a different mask

554
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Speaker 4: towards the public.

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Speaker 2: But sometimes I feel like, you know, it's never such

556
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Speaker 2: a bad thing.

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Speaker 4: I say that, I just said it as if it

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Speaker 4: was a bad thing, but really I think acting confident

559
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: it does get you somewhere and does change your personality sometimes,

560
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 4: Like you know, if you keep acting confident, you know,

561
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 4: maybe you will be confident.

562
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, you gotta fake it until you make it right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's so true. Thank you, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: sharing that. I think what's most interesting about that is

566
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: someone will look at you and think the opposite, right,

567
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: They think a successful career, good looking guy has this

568
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: shit together, he's got to be confident. So when I

569
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: hear people like you say stuff like that, I think

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Speaker 1: it's so valuable in this day and age we're living

571
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Speaker 1: in because it just goes to show you cannot judge

572
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: a book by its cover.

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Speaker 3: You just can't. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm just saying.

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Speaker 4: I guess I'm also just not so ready to show

576
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 4: my vulnerable, vulnerable side so easily out in the public.

577
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 4: You know. I'd rather be showing some good side and

578
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Speaker 4: some confidence side of it, and then like if I

579
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 4: get close to that person, I get like I peel

580
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 4: my onion myself and show that I have.

581
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: Layers as well. I can be very very vulnerable too.

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00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, well that was a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, thank you for opening up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for someone that says, you know, he's working

585
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: on his confidence and vulnerability. I would say today you

586
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: were beautifully open and vulnerable, and I just I'm so

587
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Speaker 1: gratefully you took the time to really share something you've

588
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: never said before and to have this discussion. I hope

589
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Speaker 1: it was as fun for you as it was for me.

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Speaker 2: No, it was definitely fun.

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00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 4: And I I'm not sure you can see it, but

592
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 4: what like below this little green box here, like what

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00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: we have here, My hands are like shaking like a man.

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Speaker 1: You're awesome. I would again, I would never know. So

595
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: you have a really good poker face. And I love

596
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: this conversation and I feel like, you know, if you're

597
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: in New York, we have to grab a coffee and

598
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: talk more. There's a lot more to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be sick.

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Speaker 4: And honestly, Tommy, as I mentioned before, like this, this

601
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Speaker 4: was the most impressive interview I've ever gotten so far.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for this opportunity and thank you for

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Speaker 2: having me. You were good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for hanging out.

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Speaker 1: And until we meet again, thank you. I've never said

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Speaker 1: this before. Is hosted by me Tommy Diderio. This podcast

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Speaker 1: is produced and edited by Mike Coscarelli, and executive producers

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Speaker 1: are Andrew Paglici and Katrina Norvel At iHeartRadio. I've Never

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Speaker 1: Said This Before is part of the Elvis Durant podcast

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Speaker 1: Network on iHeart Podcasts For more, rate, review and subscribe

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Speaker 1: to our show and if you liked this episode, tell

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Speaker 1: your friends.

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Speaker 3: Until next time, I'm Tommy Dederio.