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Speaker 2: Podcast starts now. Wow wow wow wow wow. Welcome to Tradia.

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Speaker 1: I have been targeted by the surveillance State. How you

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Speaker 1: in my way here?

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Speaker 2: Your phone has been shut down?

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Speaker 1: My phone has been shut down a lah, the Netflix

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Speaker 1: film based on the book Leave the World Behind, where

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Speaker 1: Julia Roberts can text.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's happening to you. And really that's.

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Speaker 1: Happening to me. And in that sense, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: sort of like Julia Roberts. But I was running late

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Speaker 1: on my way here, and first of all, my train stopped,

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Speaker 1: which happens in New York because of our amazing transportation system.

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Speaker 1: And then my phone immediately went on SOS mode and

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Speaker 1: there's nothing I can do to fix it.

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Speaker 2: And well, do you have any theories, any, any reasons

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Speaker 2: why you should be targeted?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so my sister this morning texted me is your

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Speaker 1: phone saying SOS only, and I sort of ignored it

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Speaker 1: because I was in a hurry, and as I was

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Speaker 1: texting her back, my phone went on SOS mode. So

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Speaker 1: not only do I think I'm being targeted, I think

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Speaker 1: my biological family is being targeted.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's anti Greek?

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Speaker 1: Well that is the real question. Yeah, I will say

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Speaker 1: gay marriage was just legalized in Greece last week, and

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Speaker 1: so potentially they are targeting LGBTQ plus members of the

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Speaker 1: Greek diaspora, and then saying it could be like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we need your phone only works your.

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Speaker 1: Phone only works in Greece. Or it could be a

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Speaker 1: homophobic people targeting the Greek They asked, saying, oh you

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Speaker 1: think you get married at slur?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Good luck texting?

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Speaker 1: Good luck texting? Sweetheart? How are you gonna text your

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Speaker 1: fiance to plan the wedding? And guess what? Literally today

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Speaker 1: we are going to a venue for the wedding. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I will not be able to communicate before that.

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Speaker 2: They're stopping you.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean, I'm really in the

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Speaker 1: but it does feel, you know, when something like that happens,

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, the modern the infrastructure that upholds modern

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Speaker 1: life is so delicate, and like if we just suddenly

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Speaker 1: stop being able to access the internet, like people would die.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I've always felt the fear around

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Speaker 2: want to be inconvenience. It's like if my phone dies

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Speaker 2: in Manhattan, I'm stuck here. I will die here, I

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Speaker 2: will starve. I can't buy anything. I can't get on

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to get from fifty fifth Street

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Speaker 2: I come, I've been to this very studio. What twenty

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Speaker 2: let's say twenty twenty five. I've been here a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I got off the train and I said, am I

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Speaker 1: I have to look up, Like my even if I've

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Speaker 2: You know this weekend, not to take it away from

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. That happened when we went to

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Speaker 2: So maybe it's not about you.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, well, I do think the train is not about me.

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Speaker 1: I have the I would say I have the ability

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Speaker 2: I was also thinking maybe it's sort of an eight

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because I was about to text back,

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Speaker 1: which is so sort of like man splaining. I was

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Speaker 2: That's true, It's possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of me being targeted, I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: on the record about what happened to me at my show.

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Speaker 2: You've been being targeted by a lot of people, both

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Speaker 1: The entertainment industry recently, just in terms of my lack

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Speaker 1: you know, this is what people talk about me to

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Speaker 1: talk about intersecting systems of oppression, is that multiple different

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Speaker 1: systems are conspiring against me, a sort of ethnic white

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a victim.

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Speaker 1: I'm a victim. I did my show recently, and I

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Speaker 1: should say as a background, you know, I had just

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Speaker 1: done my show at the Bellhouse. When I tell you

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Speaker 1: thousand and five. You're saying, everyone is on my side

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Speaker 2: You can feel yourself getting lazy in the moment.

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. So then I went into the next you know,

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Speaker 1: I've already signed the papers to do a special that

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Speaker 1: the first and history and this is just for me,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's for me and the fans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Show starts, it's gone. Mid I'm not connecting with the audience,

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Speaker 1: I think it is partly my fault. I'm not getting

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Speaker 1: white knucklet It's not like I was bombing. I was

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Speaker 1: Of course, I look into the audience and I say,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Her response is, Oh, I didn't come here to see you.

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Speaker 1: I came here to see Alison Liby, who was one

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Speaker 1: But her vibe was not like she was trying to

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Speaker 1: So you're just sort of like, which sentences I know

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Speaker 1: Were the one yes. And the thing is they then

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Speaker 1: The issue is the response I'm not here to see

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Speaker 1: Which I don't care because I'm not. I'm not I

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Speaker 1: have accidentally like cyberbilic people in the past, and this

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Speaker 1: is not that I'm not doxing anyone. I'm saying the truth.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing fact based analysis. But she is going to

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Speaker 1: But I am sort of like, you need to figure

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Speaker 1: meetings are going like for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess if you are hearing this, start listening,

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Speaker 2: active listening. Yes, you know, pay attention to how other

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Speaker 2: people respond to stuff that could really inform something for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm also not mad. I'm not mad at you. In fact,

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Speaker 1: this has given me so much joy to like talk

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Speaker 1: about with other people. I don't know who you are, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm nothing bad is going to happen. No, you are

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Speaker 1: not worried diva queen. We are a diva queen. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to send the keyboard warrior after you in

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Speaker 1: this day and age. But anyway, so that's my story.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you got it off your chest.

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Speaker 1: I had to get it off my chest. Sorry, I've

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Speaker 1: been talking for fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 2: No, I celebrated it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's time to bring in our guest.

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Speaker 2: I think it's absolutely something. Doesn't heck on me? Damn

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Speaker 2: he got you good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we have multiple things to promote. His book comedy

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Speaker 1: book is out. Yeah, we are mentioned in its spoiler alert,

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Speaker 1: but that's not why we're having him on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit probably, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hell and his Peacock visual album of his podcast

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Speaker 1: Good One is dropping in March, so we don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's out yet, but you could actually go on

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Speaker 1: Peacock and set in the alert. Yeah, so please welcome

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Speaker 1: Jesse David Fox.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hi, Hi. They're telling a comedy story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I should have saved it for a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so then it's like, yeah, all of us are

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Speaker 3: Heckler didn't read the whole book.

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Speaker 3: I think it is the you know, the topics people

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna sell bucks with sweetheart.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I do feel I have the talkies today.

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Speaker 1: I like, can't stop.

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Speaker 1: the Comedy Central of the twenty tens is something I

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Speaker 1: didn't think twice about. I was like, oh, that's just

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Speaker 1: Comedy Central. Looking back on it, it was a golden era,

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Speaker 1: a golden era that will be written about in history books.

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Speaker 1: The fact that Comedy Central had like Nathan for You,

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Speaker 1: broad City Key, and Peel like half hours by good

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Speaker 1: comedians every financial quarter. So that was just like a fluke,

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Speaker 1: like that was just something that like they happen to

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Speaker 1: be the right people at the right time. They did

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Speaker 1: that for approximately seven years, and then now it's never

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Speaker 1: gonna happen again. In Comedy Central literally doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's a bummer, Yeah it really is.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm like, okay, so and then all the

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Speaker 1: I don't know, all the specials that people like, when

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Speaker 1: I talked to non comedy people, yeah, they're all just like,

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Speaker 1: have you seen Ricky Gervais's special?

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Speaker 2: It's either that or it's like, have you seen like

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Speaker 2: Matt Right. Do you follow Matt Rife on Instagram?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Like I do.

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Speaker 3: Think it's more do people go, what do you do

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Speaker 3: for living? On a comedian? It's like, oh, do you

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Speaker 3: follow Matt Rife on instag? Is that what the conversations

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Speaker 3: are like?

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Speaker 1: Kind of? I mean, well, it's also just like we

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Speaker 1: I feel like we really are in a bubble in

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Speaker 1: terms of just like critical consensus about certain things. And

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Speaker 1: I mean the wreckage your vacing is a good example.

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Speaker 1: Like I just at some point learned that all his

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Speaker 1: new material is like about how he's persecuted or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I've seen clips. I don't think it's very funny and

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Speaker 1: so I've sort of moved on, even though he was

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Speaker 1: a I was a huge fan of his, you know,

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Speaker 1: ten years ago, and so I just like, that's something

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Speaker 1: when I don't think about and then when you look

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Speaker 1: at the numbers, he's the number one comedian in the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard. It's that's confusing to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I also just I don't know how you feel about this.

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Speaker 2: I just like have to ignore it, like any almost

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Speaker 2: any Like I'm not going to change careers tomorrow, Like

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Speaker 2: if it's all crumbling around me, I just have to

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Speaker 2: sort of like be like, okay, well then what's not crumbling?

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Speaker 3: Like I think you're correct. Otherwise everyone would just do

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Speaker 3: what the worst possible comedians are doing, and there needs

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Speaker 3: to be a pushback.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, best case scenario, worst case scenario of comedy.

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Speaker 1: And ten years ago, well I do think. I constantly

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Speaker 1: am like is it over right?

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Speaker 3: So, like I nine years ago wrote called the second

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Speaker 3: comedy Boom in the book, I say, there's no such

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Speaker 3: a thing as comedy booms. It's just sort of waves

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Speaker 3: in which now people like comedy or whatever. And then

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Speaker 3: I put out this book and I keep on being like,

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Speaker 3: not a comic boom. We just we as a culture

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Speaker 3: just like comedy more. And now I'm like, no, actually,

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Speaker 3: maybe it's going to end. And it was a boom,

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Speaker 3: and there are a few things that are a few

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Speaker 3: signs for what why it might be ending and what

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Speaker 3: might kill it, like insomuch as there was a comedy

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Speaker 3: boom that ended in nineteen ninety two, like what killed that?

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Speaker 3: And what's similar then? And then the similar now this

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Speaker 3: answer is to no no irack so so yeah, so

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Speaker 3: the you know, the main thing is like comedy was

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Speaker 3: got so watered down and so commercialized by like commercial

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Speaker 3: comedy clubs that people are like, oh, comedy sucks and

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Speaker 3: we don't need to see it. It's corny. It's like

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Speaker 3: just a thing we're doing as a novelty. It's like

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Speaker 3: and like what escape rooms were or whatever. And then

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Speaker 3: they're like, now we don't need anymore and it's on

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Speaker 3: TV and it stuff and now does feel like with

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Speaker 3: like how what the algorithm has decided to show people

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Speaker 3: and what young people are being raised to think comedy

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Speaker 3: is that is bad and they'll be like, cool, comedy

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Speaker 3: is that thing I just see on Instagram? That's like

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Speaker 3: another like it's as funny as that dog I think

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Speaker 3: is funny, and you're like, wait, no, this is this

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Speaker 3: is an art form that I've dedicated ten years thinking about,

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Speaker 3: and so part of me thinks like, oh, actually maybe,

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Speaker 3: And but then I'm in a room with guys like you,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, the spirit is still alive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we're turning down opportunities left and right

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Speaker 1: on a day to day basis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, our fan base can't stop growing.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, relax, we're I'm not a cult leader.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: We still need to be alt.

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Speaker 1: It's still need to be.

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Speaker 2: Well, you have to be alt. And unfortunately, no, we

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Speaker 2: can't not be alt all.

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Speaker 1: We try. We tried to get a d all surgery

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Speaker 1: and it did not take.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my body rejected it.

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Speaker 1: No, that is actually a very good analysis. To compare

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Speaker 1: it to an industry that I know nothing about, I

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Speaker 1: almost think, all right, imagine it's almost similar to fashion,

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Speaker 1: where like fashion has become so democratized that like, on

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Speaker 1: the one hand, everyone knows more about fashion. On the

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Speaker 1: other hand, I imagine if you're an up and coming

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Speaker 1: new designer, it's impossible to break into the industry. Again,

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Speaker 1: do not write it if that's wrong, But I do

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Speaker 1: think that's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess the hope is once we

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Speaker 3: break down any sort of like once once all the

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Speaker 3: gatekeepers are crumbled, will build a new But I don't

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Speaker 3: think that the case.

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Speaker 1: We I mean this is like we talked about this,

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Speaker 1: we have one of our least watch reels.

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Speaker 2: Is tough competition.

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Speaker 1: It's tough competition. Is me saying we need to bring

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Speaker 1: back gate keepers. But people don't understand. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: coming at it from with a playful Well, they're not

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Speaker 1: saying bring back white male gatekeepers. I'm saying, well, get

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Speaker 1: you people good that I approve of and have them

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Speaker 1: be gatekeepers as.

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Speaker 3: A white male gatekeepers.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it spilled.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, like it's fine if i'm you know,

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Speaker 1: like besides me, I think it's.

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course, you're the last spots taken and now

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Speaker 2: other spots. Yeah. Yeah, No, it's let's talk about the

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Speaker 2: lack of context you saying we need to bring out gatekeepers.

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Speaker 2: People don't understand that you come from a place of love.

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Speaker 2: They don't see, you know, the moments of you calling

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Speaker 2: your mom on the phone and saying, how are you

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Speaker 2: they don't see.

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Speaker 3: People are mad. People were legitimately like, no, they ignored it.

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Speaker 2: Oh no. But I think the one that that people

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Speaker 2: did get randomly mad at I was thinking about today

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Speaker 2: was so funny to me, where we were saying that

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Speaker 2: you're if you're running ten minutes late, you shouldn't text

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Speaker 2: her because it shows that you guys don't care about

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Speaker 2: each other and you think of it as a business,

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Speaker 2: you know, interest. People were like, how could you say that,

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Speaker 2: Like you're so inconsiderate, and I was like, everyone calmed down.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting about the Internet is that you go in

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Speaker 1: thinking everyone is operating. Basically everyone is kind of joking.

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Speaker 1: Like you go you go in thinking like this is

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Speaker 1: an improv exercise, but there are people there that are like,

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Speaker 1: this is a presidential debate and I'm gonna win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty scary.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the scary part is I think

581
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Speaker 3: everyone is joking except for the thing they're not joking about.

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Speaker 3: You have the what is going to be the thing.

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Speaker 1: And then you're baited into Then suddenly I find myself

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Speaker 1: being like, no, you shouldn't text your friends. And I

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Speaker 1: was serious the whole time, like because otherwise it's not,

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Speaker 1: as it's not as strong of an argument to be like, no,

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Speaker 1: I was half joking. I have a theory.

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Speaker 2: Okay, ready, Okay, we're figuring out as we go. Is

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Speaker 2: this why the internet is like obsessed with Shrek because

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Speaker 2: it's like this is the one thing that you know

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Speaker 2: you can joke about. You know, Shrek is the thing

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Speaker 2: you can joke about. When you're talking about Shrek, you're

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Speaker 2: joking and no one can take it out of context

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Speaker 2: and be.

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Speaker 1: Like, mind is as as Matthew one said about our

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Speaker 1: good friend Claire Carisclo a hill to be summitted.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's because Shrek. I can't remember who

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Speaker 3: said it, and it might have been one of you too,

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Speaker 3: which is like no one is more famous than anyone

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Speaker 3: who's famous before twenty twelve, like all famous people or

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Speaker 3: people were famous by two thousand. Yes, very true. And

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Speaker 3: I think Shrek was a thing we joked about before

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Speaker 3: twenty twelve, so it remains as a thing we can

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Speaker 3: still understand it.

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Speaker 2: Shrek his grandfather did.

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Speaker 1: In Shrek, his grandfather did.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: There's also something about am I right to say Shrek

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Speaker 1: was a purely original property, Like it wasn't based on

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Speaker 1: anything the Shrek one. It's almost like one of our

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Speaker 1: last This.

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Speaker 2: Feels like a trap because if like I want to say, like, yes,

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Speaker 2: it's not based on like it was, But then it's like,

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Speaker 2: is it based on some like old fairy tale that

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Speaker 2: I don't know about.

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Speaker 1: Or like a kid I just can't imagine. I think a

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Speaker 1: meeting being like, well, Ogres existed, Trek. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: I think Ogre exists. Ogres existed. Olivia's looking it up,

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Speaker 1: Ogres existed. But I do think Shrek is one of

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Speaker 1: our last new mythological creatures. Don't you think rare to

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Speaker 1: have something that's not IP that is genuinely new? As

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Speaker 1: I was saying, everything is I pe these days? In

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Speaker 1: case anyone didn't hear, Olivia off mi kid is in

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Speaker 1: fact based on some sort of European story.

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Speaker 2: But but if you can't make up an original character

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Speaker 2: based off European story, it's still kind of its original.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to live in this world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, once it's in the public domain, it's an original

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Speaker 3: story again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure is an original Donkeys And yes, Donkey Donkey

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Speaker 1: being in like a sort of kinky relationship with the dragon,

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Speaker 1: that's original.

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Speaker 2: That's original. There's no way that was in the European Tale.

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Speaker 1: And we're not looking that up. Wait what were we

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Speaker 1: talking about?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: Common is the only thing we all know we're joking about.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, no, and that is actually true? Like okay,

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Speaker 1: what are other things like that where everyone knows they're joking?

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Speaker 2: Well, internet wise, I do think like there is the

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Speaker 2: thing of like Italians like people love to be like

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Speaker 2: actually don't.

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Speaker 1: But I do think you'll find at least two people

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Speaker 1: in the comments being like my Nona died in the war. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: yeah she was. She was Mussolini's right hand woman and

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Speaker 1: you have to put some respect in your name.

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Speaker 2: But she didn't agree, but she was a proud Italian.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. And that's the Banilla.

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Speaker 2: Tea of evil.

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Speaker 1: It's billed, it's spilled. Should we do her for a segment?

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Speaker 2: I think we have no choice.

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00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: I just lost the lottery for a play.

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Speaker 2: God, the conspiracy against you is going so deep crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean I have been losing it every single day

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Speaker 1: for the play. I like the Today Takes lottery. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to see Merely, which costs one thousand dollars. If

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Speaker 1: you see it out of podcast.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting to refer to it as a play.

659
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Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was gonna be interesting to just

660
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Speaker 2: refer to as merrily. I was like, okay, we get it,

661
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Speaker 2: you're really familiar with the play.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is something that because I'm a late in

663
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Speaker 1: life musical person, one of my ways of pretending I

664
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Speaker 1: know more it's to be like, oh, Merrily, I'm going

665
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Speaker 1: to roll along. Yeah, me trying to fit in but

666
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Speaker 1: saying the wrong thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have tickets for MRA tonight whatever it is.

668
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Speaker 1: MRA m R W along. But I think you can

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Speaker 1: get rid of the wea and do em.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: I truly was like, along, is that an a or

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Speaker 3: a l.

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Let's start for a second, Jesse. Our first segment is

675
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Speaker 2: called straight Shooters, and in this wit, we're going to

676
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: ask you a series of rapid fire questions to gauge

677
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Speaker 2: your familiarity with and complicity and straight culture. It's basically

678
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Speaker 2: this thing or this other thing, and the only rule

679
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: is you can't ask any follow up questions or will

680
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Speaker 2: scream at you so loud you'll take us out of

681
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: your book.

682
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: Well let's not go that far, I will say there's

683
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: even more of us in the paperback.

684
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Speaker 3: We'll see how it's come. I I know that this

685
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: that I'm not allowed to ask questions. But when you

686
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: say to a person, yes, you can't ask questions, you

687
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: just want to ask questions. Yeah, that's that's rebellious.

688
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: That's your rebellious, that's New York spirit.

689
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: That's someone with an all sensibility. I would say, you know,

690
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: these these club people, you know they hear that and

691
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: they say, oh, I guess all.

692
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Speaker 1: I want to say is hold on to that, because

693
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: the industry is going to try to beat it out

694
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Speaker 1: of you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Jesse Wells Fargo or cal Drogo.

696
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Speaker 1: Oh, cal Drogo, pursuing your passion for dance or reviewing

697
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: the fashions in France, pursuing your passions in dance for dance.

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00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 2: Dance, okay, totally, your brand new car or happening your

699
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: daily carbs, oh half.

700
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Speaker 1: In your daily cards, Dave's killer bread or abe Lincoln's Dead,

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Speaker 1: A Lincoln's.

702
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: Dead, Yeah, seeing a bank see or peeing your Pantsy's.

703
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: I have a being one too, being your pantsies.

704
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's keep going with this theme. Peeing in

705
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: the shower or the feeling of being empowered.

706
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: The feeling of being empowered.

707
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, the differences between New York and LA or

708
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: the differences between being straight and being gay. Ah, wow,

709
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: that's good.

710
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Speaker 3: The differences between New York and LA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Summertime sadness, Winter Wonderland, spring breakdown or fall

712
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: in by Alicia Keys.

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00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: Oh winter Wonderland. Wow beautiful?

714
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Speaker 1: Well what do we think? Okay, Jesse? I will say

715
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: you're at a disadvantage because you're coming to us at

716
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: a point where we have realized we've recently been too

717
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Speaker 1: easy on guests.

718
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: We've been giving everyone.

719
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Speaker 1: We've been giving a thousand doves for like three episodes

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Speaker 1: in a row. And I even though I can't think

721
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: of any flaws in your performance, We're gonna have to

722
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: find some because you.

723
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Speaker 2: Know, think of this as an All Stars judging. You know,

724
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Speaker 2: we have to split hairs here.

725
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we really do have to split hairs.

726
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: Because we can't just give every honored.

727
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: And also, you know, as an expert in comedy, I

728
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: don't know should you have gone above and beyond it

729
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: some way? Like I mean, is a thousand doves enough?

730
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Speaker 2: And you're familiar with the podcast, familiar with the podcast.

731
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Speaker 1: I don't know, you could have played around in it

732
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Speaker 1: a little bit more. Yeah, I could have sort of

733
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Speaker 1: ironically asked a question.

734
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Speaker 2: It could have been fun. You know, I'm gonna say

735
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Speaker 2: I did.

736
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Speaker 3: I spent the months leading up to when I might

737
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Speaker 3: be on this being my don't don't ironically play the

738
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Speaker 3: part of asking, and.

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Speaker 1: Who knows it could have backfired too. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: it would have it. I knew I couldn't because those

741
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Speaker 1: two in my head and feel. But I be like,

742
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Speaker 1: and it literally played it out.

743
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Speaker 2: I can't.

744
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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's still.

746
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Speaker 3: You don't have to that you're judge.

747
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking like eight fifty I was gonna

748
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Speaker 1: say eight fifty two fifty eight fifty two or eight

749
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Speaker 1: to fifty.

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Speaker 2: Great question eight fifty two.

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Speaker 1: Number great, eight fifty two, that's very respectable. You're not

752
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Speaker 1: getting into Harvard with that, but you know, maybe University.

753
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Speaker 3: Of don't say the school actually went to that.

754
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Speaker 1: I was don't say what.

755
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Speaker 3: I was like, are you going to guess the school

756
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Speaker 3: that I got into?

757
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Speaker 1: No?

758
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Speaker 3: I was like, what is the school you're gonna think of?

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Speaker 1: So here's what I was gonna say, And I didn't,

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Speaker 1: and I literally did not mean this in a negative way.

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Speaker 1: I just meant this as like a good school that's

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Speaker 1: just simple, that's not like the number one. So I

763
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Speaker 1: was gonna say University of Michigan just because I feel

764
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Speaker 1: like it is like a very good school and it's Wermanton.

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Speaker 3: His daughter went, yeah, I got waitless is it there?

766
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Speaker 2: That's so embarrassed?

767
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Speaker 1: Wait where you go to school?

768
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Speaker 3: University of Maryland, Oh, which is like an alt university.

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Speaker 1: And totally no, it's so alt. Oh.

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Speaker 2: I had something but I lost it, which is such

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Speaker 2: an amazing quality for a podcast, so st to have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I subscribe to our Patreon learn more. Should

773
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Speaker 1: we get into our topic?

774
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Speaker 2: I think so well.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know, I'm very excited about

776
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,479
Speaker 1: this topic. I do want to maybe read the list

777
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Speaker 1: of topics Jesse sent just to sort of warm everyone up. Yeah,

778
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: so these are Jesse's topics. Watches, using partner for your

779
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: significant other, hot ones, slash, spicy food, challenges, height generations,

780
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: things being overrated or underrated, the musical Rent, which that

781
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Speaker 1: is you know, juicy? Have you seen Rent?

782
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 2: No?

783
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: Not even the film? No, okay, the multiverse and got

784
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: to do that, and hipsters, we do have to do it,

785
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: you know Rent, And again, I on record not a

786
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Speaker 1: musical person. The one musical I knew about was Rent

787
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: because we had the DVD of it when I was

788
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: in high school, and my sisters and I would watch

789
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: it constantly while I was closeted somehow. It's also you know,

790
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: because it's straight, Because it's straight. Well it is famously yeah,

791
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Speaker 1: written by a straight Now.

792
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Speaker 2: It's too bad Rent is such a short title because

793
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: it would be so fun to be able to shorten it.

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00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: Yeah are yeah, just to seem like you were even

795
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Speaker 2: more familiar with totally.

796
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. But anyway, the point is we decided on the

797
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Speaker 1: topic of rankings, ranking things, whether it's professionally as a

798
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: cultural critic or amateurishly as an annoying person.

799
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jesse, you know, to kick us off what

800
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Speaker 2: you feel is straight about rankings.

801
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 3: I feel like rankings has become a thing that it's

802
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: like how freight people have decided as their way to

803
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: interact with culture periods. They're like, the only way I

804
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 3: can say I like movies is to say I have

805
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: an order of movies based on a objective quality, right anytime,

806
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: So like as a job as a blogger slash cultural critic.

807
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: I have made lists, and I've made rankings. And anytime

808
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: I do a ranking, which I think of as a

809
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: subjective exercise or a editorial exercises or whatever, the response

810
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: is like, no, actually this is the best Adam Saylor movie.

811
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 3: It's like, well, that best is not a thing. We're

812
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: talking about the value systems of the ranking. But that

813
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: instinct is like so straight, which is like, we must

814
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: have a hierarchy for us to engage with art, and everything.

815
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: Has to be a basically, everything has to be sports.

816
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: Everything has to have your bracket, which is why I

817
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: would almost say, and this is a dangerous path I'm

818
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: heading on. You know, your initial topic was ranking slash lists.

819
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: I do think in that binary lists are more expansive.

820
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: I think lists are like gay guy listing his favorite

821
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: films of twenty twenty three and randomly having three you know,

822
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: Hungarian ones in there. Sure sure, Whereas rankings is like

823
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: straight ranking his favorite Tarantino movies.

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00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: As soon as there's a number one and a number

825
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: two and that's supposed to imply a difference in quality,

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually love.

828
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Speaker 2: When they're like, here's my top ten in particular order.

829
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: I think that's.

830
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: What I do too. Yeah, because it's sort of like

831
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: you're saying, this is a snapshot of my taste.

832
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: There's a fluidity of like, oh, this is what it is, right,

833
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: these are the things tomorrow. I might like this more

834
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: than that. Where rankings like, there's only one way in

835
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: which I pursue every time I watched kill Bill two,

836
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 3: I'm watching if I know, I think kill Bill one

837
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: is better, but maybe I like And to demand that

838
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: of art is to categorize it in a very strict way.

839
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Speaker 2: Do you I'm having trouble remembering a time before BuzzFeed, but.

840
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: Well talk about I mean honestly, but I'm really wondering.

841
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: Did were rankings as important to people before BuzzFeed or

842
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: did BuzzFeed infect our brains and now everything has to

843
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: be ranked.

844
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember. I know this is the thing

845
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: I should have an answer to. I'm trying to remember

846
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 3: what life was like before BuzzFeed.

847
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Speaker 2: Finally, ask question, I.

848
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Speaker 1: Don't think it.

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Speaker 3: I think. I think I think what BuzzFeed did because

850
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 3: partly like BuzzFeed like would always make people. It's like

851
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: BuzzFeed would like do list in rankings and also like

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00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: what X are you quizz Yeah, the idea of a

853
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: person who is not a professional journalist having to actively

854
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: rank their opinions. I do think BuzzFeed helped usher in.

855
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: I think like when like the rankings were only in

856
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: the New York Times, people were like, oh, and I

857
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: should do my ranking and send it out with my

858
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: Christmas card or whatever.

859
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

860
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: But then BuzzFeed was like, here's a platform to do

861
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: your ranking, and you like drag this here and there.

862
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

863
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: And then kids now are just like they like turn

864
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 3: thirteen and they're like, here's my favorite episodes of Bluey

865
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 3: or whatever.

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00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: That totally was.

867
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Speaker 2: I actually wonder if that happens, that would be so slack.

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00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: Baby's first ranking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

870
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: No, it's true, I mean it is. It must be

871
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: said sort of one of the general legacies of like

872
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: broadly defined like magazine journalism. Like even when you open

873
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: like an old Cosmo or something, it's probably it's literally

874
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: it's like top ten tips to drive him wild. Yeah,

875
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: there is something that is just rankings and lists are

876
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: a natural format for a piece of magazine writing. Yeah,

877
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: and somehow something in our brain activates I wonder what

878
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Speaker 1: it is, Like, what is it that makes I mean

879
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: it's instinctively, it's obvious, But I mean, how can you

880
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: put it into words like? What is it that makes

881
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: you more likely to click something that is a list

882
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: rather than a personal essay about someone coming to terms

883
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: with their past.

884
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: Well, because you can scam.

885
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: It, right, that's a good point.

886
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can read it at the airport and

887
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 2: be like, I can put this on at any second.

888
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: And you can also get the insights fast.

889
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if instead it was like, you know, these

890
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: are the top ten moments of my childhood that we're traumatizing. Yeah,

891
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: taught me, gave me pain, but also you know, gave

892
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: me a worldly perspective.

893
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: Right, they should try to do that.

894
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: They should.

895
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: I was that what thought catalog did And I'm trying

896
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: to remember.

897
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: You know it wasn't not what they did. Let's say that. Wait,

898
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: I haven't No, we can't get into this. I mean

899
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: I have another comedy question for you. Do you think

900
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,479
Speaker 1: and this is something I've been thinking about.

901
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: Rank comedians, rank everyone? Yeah, rank all comedians.

902
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: Do you think the form of the humorous essay? Where

903
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: do you see it now? And does it have a

904
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: future like is there going to be a next David Sidaris. Oh,

905
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: David Sidars like that kind of thing, because comedians will

906
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: be writing books of humorous essays and they're all bad.

907
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: No offense to all my friends. Everyone, everyone is bad.

908
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: We have the worst titles.

909
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 2: Well they're gonna have. I think a book is sort

910
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 2: of like a more profitable Instagram reel.

911
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 1: Well, of course, I just.

912
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: Comedians will continue to be asked to do them because

913
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: sometimes they really work. Yeah, if the title is good.

914
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 3: This is the sake for almost all essay collections. If

915
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 3: the title is good, it can be a giant hit

916
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: because then you don't have to read the book.

917
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 2: There.

918
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: They's a very famous example that I don't wan say

919
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: because I don't want to be matter no no, But

920
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: it's not by a comedian. It's a famous essay collection

921
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 3: of the last ten years. I think it's very very famous.

922
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: It's a very good title. We know what it is.

923
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh good?

924
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: Oh?

925
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: Actually I was thinking different which one?

926
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: Oh okay, both, I think I thines terrible writer, sorry,

927
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: but very good title. Yeah, so good title that it

928
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: appeals to people who don't like books at all. Such

929
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: a good yeah it is.

930
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 3: And then there are all essay collections are trying to

931
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 3: do that, no matter what, even ones that are slightly better.

932
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, because it's like that is such a

933
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: good title because only so many people read books, but

934
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 3: a lot of people buy books, and like that's actually

935
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: kind of who your demo is. I was talking to

936
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: your editor last week and he was saying that the

937
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: sort of he was saying that he doesn't want a

938
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: sort of David Sedaris collection from a comedy person. He

939
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: wants something that has a unifying theme. He's like, unifying theme,

940
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: unifying theme, unifying things, but not a memoir and not like,

941
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: well that's a collection, I said differently.

942
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I was asking him, like, if a

943
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: comedian were to pitch you an essay collection, what would you.

944
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 4: Look and their names George Well, I mean, if there

945
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 4: was a Greek comedia that potentially has been targeted by

946
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 4: the surveillance state and racings and by a Heckler.

947
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: And has to move back to Greece and potentially get married.

948
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the real answer is David Adares

949
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: is like a monoculture version of what it looks like.

950
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: So what is the sort of non monoch like David

951
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: Sadares is like truly the one. He is so successful

952
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: and so famous to so many people. It is absurd

953
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: for what he does, which is like, right, personal essays.

954
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: That are based on lies. Yeah, bet are based on lies.

955
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: But like I don't know what is better than who

956
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: knows what truth is? Like I mean yeah, and you.

957
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 3: Know he plays like he reads the thousands of people,

958
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: so what is sort of the more niche version of it?

959
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: And it's like covering doing that but in a sort

960
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: of BUSHWICKI way, yeah, yeah, what's the.

961
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: Bush who's the Bushwick?

962
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: David to think about lots to think about.

963
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: Rankings, go, oh my god. I mean that's the thing

964
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: you should.

965
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: Have, like thinking of us a second humorist.

966
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: Uh, it's like Jonathan Swift, David Sedaris end of list.

967
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: It's like.

968
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: It's like David Rakoff wasn't a humorous right, he was

969
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: an he counts as an.

970
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Samantha Irby is like someone who I feel

971
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: like is in the tradition of David Sedaris.

972
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: But Simon Rich is a humor writer. He's not a

973
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 3: humorist or does that count?

974
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: God? That is where you lose me. But okay, So,

975
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: so like I ranking ranking culture because I do think

976
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: it has infiltrated everything.

977
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it has meaning. Like if you say to

978
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 3: a person like even the idea that like my favorite

979
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: movie of the year, yes, which I think is a

980
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: thing people probably said before BuzzFeed, it seems like I

981
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 3: says right, but now when you say it, you are

982
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: saying it like it's a statistic, like I did the calculations.

983
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 3: I've like it actually there it's almost like we've like

984
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: removed the idea of subjective opinion. And even though it

985
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 3: is all subjective opinion, but we all act like it's

986
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: objective opinion. And that's what ranking is run exactly.

987
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: It's like, rather than competing subjectivities, it's competing objectivities. And

988
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: you're like, well that's not nothing is going to come

989
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: out of that.

990
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: And that is a sports thing, right, because it's like right,

991
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: it's like there is a sports does have statistics, so

992
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: hypothetically you should rank bait. You can rank based those statistics. However,

993
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: most people like to act ranks sports subjectivity subjectively, but

994
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: they they go back and forth and to reuse it.

995
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: And now people because of you know, as we talk

996
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 3: about variety of websites from ten years ago, like Grantland,

997
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 3: I think like, we do sports and we do culture,

998
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: and I think to mash those together. I think broad

999
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 3: in a certain sort of like framing of how a

1000
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: certain sort of straight person, yes would would orient themselves

1001
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: with culture, which is like, oh, there is a best

1002
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: movie ever. This is the best movie ever. And that

1003
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 3: means something. And if you go like if you say,

1004
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, you say, like the Dark Knight is

1005
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 3: the best movie ever. That like, it's like, no, it's

1006
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: the best movie ever. Because of this that you're like

1007
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 3: right allowed to just like a thing, right.

1008
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: Sort of sprinkling numbers into something is because we value

1009
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: quantitative methods over qualitative methods in our sick culture. It's

1010
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: discussing sprinkling numbers on something just like gives it the

1011
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: air of seriousness rather than again writing like a long

1012
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: essay that's about like the changing aesthetics of the noir

1013
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: like in the twenty first century or something like you

1014
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, it's just like immediately you're like, well,

1015
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: there's a one in two of three. I basically have

1016
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: a Nobel Prize.

1017
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: I know that one thing that confuses me about rankings too,

1018
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: is especially with the TikTok generation is I'm like, isn't

1019
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: this gonna be embarrassing? Like I remember my like I

1020
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: would like have be like these are my top albums.

1021
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: Like I loved trying to find my top albums when

1022
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: I was like twenty two. And then it was like,

1023
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm glad that was in like a private Facebook group

1024
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: because now they're so horribly embarrassing and like, I bet you.

1025
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: They're not that bad. They're like Animal Collective.

1026
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I mean they're like but they were like

1027
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: clearly me trying.

1028
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: To be cool.

1029
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 3: All it's like cause it's it's the fact that I

1030
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 3: did it as well. And I bet our lists are

1031
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 3: similar because it was us thinking we were expressing our

1032
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: original opinions, but we were expressing our ability to know

1033
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 3: what the pitchwork opinion was. Yeah, but we were not

1034
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: actually expressing ourselves. We're like trying to guess what Pitchfork's

1035
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: list was, even though, and then we're like and hoping

1036
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: we're like and so that's but that's but now I

1037
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 3: feel like these TikTok kids are cynically literally just copying

1038
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: those opinions and acting like yeah because they don't want

1039
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 3: to be wrong, right, right, and.

1040
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: I've watched some crazy videos of like like a twenty

1041
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: three year old being like, these are my top songs

1042
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: of all time. It's like Caroline Polchecks, so how you're

1043
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: hurting my feelings? And it's sort of like I love

1044
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: that song, but it's so funny to cling to that

1045
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 2: so hard. It's like you can't remove the person from

1046
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: the context.

1047
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: No, I mean I think there's also a desire to, like,

1048
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: you know, create order in these times, right, you know

1049
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 3: we have floggins are crumbling. Yeah, we've lost religion. People

1050
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 3: are like, I don't know why we exist on Earth,

1051
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: but I know. Yeah, yeah, so I know, but I

1052
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: know that. And Glorious Faster is the.

1053
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 2: Movie.

1054
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah wow.

1055
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: So if we can solve global warming, we won't have rankings.

1056
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: I think we can solve Yeah, if we solve all sids,

1057
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: il or just like go back.

1058
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: And everyone will go back to writing personal essays rather

1059
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:10,479
Speaker 1: than ranking.

1060
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: Do you think this is something we've talked about sort

1061
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: of yesterday? But do you think in like more societies

1062
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 2: that have like universal healthcare, people are ranking.

1063
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I do think people are ranking lives. I think

1064
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: ranking is a quintessentially American impulse. The original ranking was

1065
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: America being like, which are our favorite countries? We won't

1066
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: kill those? Yeah yeah, yeah, right, yeah it's America number one. Yeah,

1067
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: fat America. Yeah, America was started on in a rank

1068
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: based way.

1069
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,479
Speaker 2: We are a rank based culture. It was pretty fussy, yeah,

1070
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: but was it pre America.

1071
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: Also, America is obsessed with being like the first so

1072
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: and so in Asia, the first democracy in the Middle Ages.

1073
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, wow, yeah.

1074
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: I think other country you have pride without that pride

1075
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: needing to be competitive, so other countries pride. Though I

1076
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: do see that changing on like my algorithms or insomuch

1077
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 3: as it's like people from some Eastern European country like

1078
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 3: making the best making the definitive sauce of every country

1079
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: to then do a ranking of the best national sauces. Well,

1080
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 3: that also goes back to like you know, like oh no.

1081
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: Incentives of the of an algorithmic environment where everyone, in

1082
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: order to get noticed has to rank the sauces of

1083
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: the country, Like otherwise what are you doing?

1084
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: I mean, if we took our careers seriously, we would

1085
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: be ranking the sauces of every country.

1086
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 3: You would have a big ranking of straight things and

1087
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 3: about what is the most straight too, and then be

1088
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 3: like okay, and then you have the big board. I'm

1089
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 3: pointing this is the form listening. I'm pointing to where

1090
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: the board would be. And then like someone bring a

1091
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 3: topic like rankings, and you'd be like, yeah, rankings is

1092
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 3: like fifteen doesn't beat whatever the number one topic.

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Speaker 1: We should rank all our episodes from one to four hundred. Wow,

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Speaker 1: for the Patreon I think that would be a really

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00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: good episode. I mean yeah, I will say when we

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Speaker 1: did the top of the Year for the Patreon, I

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00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: was like, I'm having fun, Like it is fun to

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Speaker 1: just like sort of erase the part of your brain

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Speaker 1: that's more nuanced and just be like one, two, three.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing that we're not talking about

1101
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 2: is just like lists are easier, like no one can

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Speaker 2: like necessarily check.

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Speaker 1: And fun, and they're like funun to do more fun

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Speaker 1: than writing a personal essay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't. No one's expecting a conclusion. They're just like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: give me your thoughts generally.

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Speaker 3: Like I mean literally, I've did a twenty five thousand

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00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: word ranking of Adam Sandler movies because I did not

1109
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: just want to write a long essay about my opinions

1110
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 3: about Adam Sandler and because one it would be harder.

1111
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 3: I'd have to write an introduction and a conclusion that

1112
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Speaker 3: like all were beautiful or whatever and then and were

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Speaker 3: Instead the number one is sasimine because it's the end.

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Speaker 3: And then also more people would read it than It's

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00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 3: just sort of like some guys take some old another

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00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 3: elder millennials take on like why Adam Sandler is actually

1117
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 3: blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Right, well, I mean I would argue that a list

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00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: like that has an inherent sense of irony. You are

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Speaker 1: not like dead eyed, right I've mentioned like I do

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00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: think that is like substantially different than but essentially one

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Speaker 1: of your coworkers in your magazine ranking like the top.

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Speaker 2: Where to Chuck and.

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00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah good, I didn't memorize it is higher than

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Speaker 3: people would think.

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Speaker 1: The problem what's an Alexander Payne script?

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00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 3: Yea, the problem first script? Then Adam does the Adam pass.

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Speaker 3: But like, but the problem with it is how he

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00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: portrays straight people in that movie. Sure like it's really

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00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 3: pro gay know it is actually what he's done. Like

1131
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 3: I don't know the last time you watched Big Daddy,

1132
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 3: there's like a in the middle of Big Daddy, he

1133
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 3: just advocates for gay marriage. They're just like having a

1134
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 3: normal movie and then yeah, then a character is gay

1135
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: and then he chills.

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00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 1: No, he's an ally. I mean he is also sorry,

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00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: a Republican, but we but that's a different thing.

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00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, we definitely don't want you to go to the

1139
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 3: nature of his specifics of why he's what politics, but

1140
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 3: he yes, so Chuck and Larry is definitely like patronizing

1141
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 3: two straight men to be like gay people are okay. Yeah,

1142
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 3: And as a contrast, this is what straight people like,

1143
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 3: and it's like buffoonish and terrible. And I think he

1144
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 3: has to play lecherous in a way that he's not

1145
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 3: adapt at because I don't think his persona is like agreed.

1146
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: He doesn't set like his movies. He doesn't sexualize women

1147
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 3: in a grown up way. He sexualizes women in like

1148
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: a thirteen year old boy way, and like, I think

1149
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 3: that allows him to be a little bit easier to watch.

1150
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: And that movie he's.

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00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: Like, he's like creepy. Yeah, yeah, And I actually think

1152
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: that might be what people are even responding to when

1153
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: they panned it more than the homophobia. Is like, oh,

1154
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: we love Adam Sandler. Wise he being so creepy towards

1155
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: Jessica Biel and being like.

1156
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 3: I mean also they this was at a time where

1157
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: they did hate him.

1158
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: The idea that we now all oh because he was

1159
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: like he had sold out or whatever.

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00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 3: Who knows the reason. I mean, I do know the

1161
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 3: reason for twenty five thousand words. But you know he

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00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 3: makes little brown movies.

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Speaker 1: It was, Yes, that's fair.

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Speaker 3: I mean there are there are a lot the worst

1165
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 3: of his movies in that time period, like Pixels is

1166
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 3: like Jack and Jill. Jack and Jill has parts that

1167
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 3: are so silly.

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Speaker 2: Don't mess with the Zohan is really good.

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00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: Have you watched him?

1170
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: No? I mean so I don't hold the pall the

1171
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: art now, but it it is like bombing.

1172
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Speaker 3: No, it did really well.

1173
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: It did well.

1174
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: No, sob that Erab movies to me is encapsulated by

1175
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: the love Guru. Yeah, so the love Guru really really

1176
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: bombed and was essentially spawn con for the NHL. But

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Speaker 1: all the an Sailor movies did well until Jack and

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00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: Jill and That's My Boy and then Pixels, and then

1179
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: he started doing Netflix movie, so I stopped like doing it.

1180
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Speaker 1: But everyone like you know, Click made more money than Borat.

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00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: It's like the example where you were like what bor

1182
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: at the like the seminal comedy of the twenty first centuries?

1183
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I made like fifty million dollars less than

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Speaker 1: Click did. Now I rand Click as the number one

1185
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Speaker 1: Adam Sailor movie. Well, when I was at Gawker, I

1186
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Speaker 1: can't remember if I actually edited this or I or

1187
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Speaker 1: I was just like there for the pitch meeting. But

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Speaker 1: Sarah Hagy wrote a post about how Click makes straight

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Speaker 1: men cry, like huh, And there's all this evidence online

1190
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Speaker 1: of men being like wow, did not expect this to

1191
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: make me cry?

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Speaker 3: I just like you putting out a straight yeahs before that.

1193
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: But I do think Click is like this secretly impactful

1194
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Speaker 1: movie that people don't talk about.

1195
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they're keeping that secret pretty tight anyway.

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Speaker 3: Domess was On has a lot of like again who

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Speaker 3: knows the politics of now, but has a lot of

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Speaker 3: like it's a really funny movie, Like Judd helped with

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Speaker 3: the script more than he normally does. So there's lots

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Speaker 3: of like, you know, intra Jewish jokes, like Jewish, how

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Speaker 3: Jewish people see.

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Speaker 1: It's really Johan Israeli.

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00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Johan is Israeli. So it's but it's none of

1204
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 3: them are. So it's like a little bit of that.

1205
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: So and then John T.

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Speaker 1: Turtle plays a Palestinian and like, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: it's OK, we need to stradio ab movie Club. We

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Speaker 1: got to get to the bottom of the politics. And

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Speaker 1: I am right now. We're not endorsing it. We're not

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Speaker 1: endorsing it because we don't never seen it. We've never

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Speaker 1: seen it.

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Speaker 3: But Jill had some really funny scenes. One is famous

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Speaker 3: where Albacino doesn't add for dunkin Donuts.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've seen this on the internet. I think you know.

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Speaker 1: Take me back.

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Speaker 2: I have a rankings question. Do you guys, like, when

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Speaker 2: there's a ranking, do you just do you read the

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00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 2: whole thing or do you just scroll the number one?

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Speaker 1: I first rolled the number one and then skim the

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Speaker 1: rest of Yes.

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Speaker 3: So in the with the Adam Saylor, I did go.

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Speaker 3: I know you've already scrolled to number in the entro,

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00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 3: I go just in case you don't, so you don't

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Speaker 3: have to scroll number one. Number one is click now

1225
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 3: me finish like, oh wow that is service journal or no,

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00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 3: I guess that's not long, but take a real long

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Speaker 3: time to skim. Also, like I did conceive of it

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Speaker 3: to be read someone in order, so it's like it's click.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry about it's click. You could. I also wrote

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00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 3: the entry for click, being like you're probably reading this

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Speaker 3: either first or second. I'm now going to explain the

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Speaker 3: value system of this list before the coactory.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask? Some thing is number two? At least

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Speaker 1: Punch Drunk Glove, Punch reck Love is five, okay, because

1235
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Speaker 1: the idea of the list, it's like it's about the

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00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: idea of value systems and trying to analyze Adam Sandler

1237
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: by how he what he values in movies. Sure, I see.

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00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 3: So the problem with Punch Trick Love is like, ultimately

1239
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,479
Speaker 3: it's not an Adam Sandler movie. All the other Adam

1240
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 3: Sandlor movies are such Adam Sandler right cut Gems number two,

1241
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: No cut Gems is like the thing about both of

1242
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 3: those movies Uncle Gem is maybe like twelve. I mean,

1243
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: I know they are not quite why they both work

1244
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: more than like Spanglish, which I think is like a

1245
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 3: decent Adam Saland performance is both of those movies. Are

1246
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: those directors trying to make it Adam Sander movie But

1247
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 3: they do not. They just you know, they don't have

1248
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 3: the willingness to do the things that Adam does. But

1249
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 3: like Punctual Glove follows a Adam Sandler arc, and like

1250
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 3: Uncut Gems is in Adam Sandler type character very much so,

1251
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 3: so like they still fit. But like Adam has certain

1252
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: things he does in Adam does, it has certain things

1253
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: that he has in all of his movies that are

1254
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 3: not in Uncut gyms.

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Speaker 1: I have such a like distinct Sorry, we can top

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Speaker 1: five Adam Sandler's I just hub Halloween halloweenhu Be Halloween.

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Speaker 3: I do think h Be Helleen is really high. It's

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Speaker 3: really really no.

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Speaker 2: I actually stand hill great.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was very formative to me. It was

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00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: the Honkkah song when I was before I moved back

1262
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: to races, when I was in New Jersey. I was like,

1263
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: that's funny.

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00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: Well about the Hona song fits into this category of

1265
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: like stuff that other people told me was good. So

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00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, it like I had no context

1267
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: for any of it, but I was just like, okay, yeah,

1268
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: I guess this is comedy.

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Speaker 3: I wonder what young people think of it that are

1270
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: not Jewish, because part of what is so funny is

1271
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 3: that that is not information you could just find. This

1272
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 3: is a song pre us knowing facts. So it is

1273
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 3: part of what sort of like did research about it.

1274
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 3: Literally the story is like they it's like a bunch

1275
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 3: of people at SNL how to like think and ask

1276
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 3: around who was Jewish. So there is a sort of

1277
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 3: like wow, that's like fun to imagine like a bunch

1278
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 3: of people doing that. Now it's just like, yeah, I

1279
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: can find people Jewish who's Jewish?

1280
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Speaker 1: So funny? Wow it So I have a memory of

1281
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: seeing Spanglish when I was like whenever it came out,

1282
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: and I do not think my critical faculties were fully formed,

1283
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: but I remember being like, oh, this is an indur

1284
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: like this is a sophisticated family dramedy, and I was

1285
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: like very moved. But I think they're like one of

1286
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: the daughters was going through something in the movie. I

1287
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: thought Talio and he was giving an incredible performance. I

1288
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: was like, this is Sundance.

1289
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: That's how I felt when I saw Napoleon Dynamite.

1290
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 3: Have you rewatched either? Have either you rewatched those?

1291
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: I know? But I have hearts Banglish is bad and

1292
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: so I just sort of he's good.

1293
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 3: Memory is good.

1294
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: Thinking it's good? Is it like racist. It's not like

1295
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: the it's not super like Oh it's politics, it's the

1296
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: James L.

1297
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 3: Brooks movie.

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01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: Oh it is okay, it's not like so what it

1299
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: is just like sort of boring and not fully formed.

1300
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: I think some of those performances that you thought were

1302
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 3: good or not are not good.

1303
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1304
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 3: I don't think. I think Taylor is not good kind

1305
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 3: of sleep walks through it a little bit. And her

1306
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 3: but partly because no, actually her her part is so thankless.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's her part. Like it's like the movie

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01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: is like gaslighting Talione and whatever, and then like Adam

1309
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Speaker 1: is it's interesting, he's being understated whatever, But like the

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Speaker 1: sort of it's it's a movie about century like to

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01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: get a nanny who only speaks Spanish, and then like

1312
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: it's about miscommunication or whatever. But yes, there is a

1313
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: daughter who's like going through something. Is it Sarah Steele?

1314
01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter who?

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Speaker 3: Then yes, I don't know it is wow Sara.

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Speaker 1: I am acquaintances with her. Oh here's what I need

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Speaker 1: you to do. Can you rank Steve Martin movie is

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Speaker 1: for Vulture dot Com because I am in a I

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Speaker 1: for the past few years have been in a place

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Speaker 1: of watching slash Ree, watching some of the classics. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, he's the most gifted comedic,

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01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: but I mean the generation, but I am, there are

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Speaker 1: so many like small ones that people don't talk about.

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Speaker 2: He's a weird one. Yeah, he doesn't have the same

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01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: like ownership over his movies nearly. I feel like he does.

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Speaker 1: I mean to me, like Rock sand but like it's.

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Speaker 3: So he doesn't have giant, big comedy hits like all

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01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 3: of his peers do, even though you think he would

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01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 3: because he's Steve Martin interesting, like after The Jerk, he

1330
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 3: did like a lot of Like the Jerk was like

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01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 3: a huge hit, especially for what it was, and then

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01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 3: it's like and then he did like a bunch of

1333
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 3: interesting things that are totally different way his peers were

1334
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 3: making ghostbusters. Oh, like literally, while his peers were inventing

1335
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 3: the comedy blockbuster, he was making like understated rom coms.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's true.

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01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 3: And like, so it's not like Martin George, who like

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01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 3: literally did not have a movie career at all. Essentially,

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01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: even though like we think of Martin George is like

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01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 3: one of the I.

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Speaker 1: Mean talk about the most comedic, the most gifted comedy. Yeah,

1342
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: but like where like truly Chevy Chase was like inventing

1343
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: what a comedy movie star wars? Oh wow, it had

1344
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: never to me.

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01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 3: So yes, I do think it'd be interesting because he

1346
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 3: like made a type of movie that essentially never existed.

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Speaker 1: Every yes, and there are truly so many of them.

1348
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: I mean I watched one where he like switches souls.

1349
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: It's sort of like with Lily Tomlin. Yeah, and so

1350
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: he's being Lily Tomlin and she's being Steve Martin. It's like,

1351
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: why isn't that a huge classic? But people talk about

1352
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: all the time, Like I just watched La Story, which

1353
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: is sort of an insanely written movie, makes no sense,

1354
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 1: but it's like seeing Sara Jessica Parker Steve Martin. Sarah

1355
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: Cobarker plays like sort of a ditzy twenty two year

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01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: old and she's doing like pre Kerry Brawo, just being

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01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: like hi, oh yeah, oh like for two hours.

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01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah I can see that.

1359
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 3: And did you see Pennies from Heaven?

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01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 2: Is that the one? The music?

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01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 3: No?

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01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: I have not seen them.

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01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 3: He essentially after the Jerk made a music hall, I

1364
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this will be fun, Like his version

1365
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 3: and then it's like one hundred percent serious and super sad.

1366
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 3: You're like, this is partly why he didn't become a

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01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 3: It's kind of like he did what now happens to comedians,

1368
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 3: which is like, okay, I did a huge funny special

1369
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 3: time to do an understated like tone piece. He and

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01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 3: as a result, he's not as famous as the people

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01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 3: were like, oh, I might as well like parlay this

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01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 3: to being a giant funny person. So yeah, I think

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01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 3: it'd be an interesting thing too.

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Speaker 1: If we have working with Selenea Gomez. Let that be

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01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: a cautionary tale for all.

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01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't be understated.

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01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 3: I think it's nice to her.

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01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: No, no, no, And he's doing well and that show

1379
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: is very successful, so shout out to the whole team. Yes,

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01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: she has such a range as an actor, very funny voice.

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01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I never heard it. I've never I had, you know,

1382
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 3: a straight person, I've never interacted with her anything.

1383
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 2: And five albums.

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01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I did like the time where she did

1385
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 3: the that talking head song, but then I saw her.

1386
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: On it straight as to be like, oh yeah, Selena Gomez.

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01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: I loved when she did that talk to head song.

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01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: That's really funny. I was like I had no idea

1389
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: talking head song.

1390
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 3: She did a song that did essentially the psycho killer

1391
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 3: like beat she did. I will say this I heard.

1392
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 3: I knew about it because I saw him cover it

1393
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 3: on YouTube and I was like.

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01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: This is now you're talking our language.

1395
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, to bring it around anyway. So, like I see

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01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 3: her on that show, I was like, what a funny

1397
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 3: voice she has. That's like a funny little talking boy

1398
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 3: she yeh.

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Speaker 1: She's been through a lot.

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01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I've heard.

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01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 3: I don't know what any of it is, but I

1402
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 3: have heard she's been through multiple documentaries.

1403
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: Multiple documentaries about are all produced by her.

1404
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she's a documentarian.

1405
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean she's very talented.

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01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 2: Well yes, huh.

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01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: I will say she's as talented as a documentary and

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01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: as she is a vocalist.

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01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 2: Damn, I love when you're a bit for no reason.

1410
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 3: Go All books by your pierres are bad?

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01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: No, not all of them?

1412
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 2: Oh no, No?

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01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 3: Which ones are good?

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01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: Top black Ones is good? And the list? Okay, should

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01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: we do our final segment? I actually don't even know

1417
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: what where are we on time?

1418
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 2: I don't know the time. That's fine, I mean we do.

1419
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 3: I think we talk about rankings.

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01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, talking about rankings, I'm like, is.

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01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: There anything you wanted to say that you haven't gotten

1422
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: to say. We're not like rushing, No, no, no, no,

1423
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm hopped up on caffeine. Keep talking for hours.

1424
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure if there's a person.

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01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: That's like, well, okay, here's a question, like is there

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01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,919
Speaker 1: any place where rankings do work, like if we think

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01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: they're inappropriate for I mean, honestly, they work for product

1428
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: recommendations like wirecutter can't be writing personal essay.

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01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a question. It's like, either

1430
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 3: is there ways to clear the space?

1431
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, obviously.

1432
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are gay journalists who have now done rankings.

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01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: They yes.

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01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 2: I like the thing is if you rank like top

1435
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 2: five air purifiers or whatever, it's like this is very practical,

1436
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 2: but it's like I'm not gonna buy five. It's sort

1437
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: of like give me number one, and that's like why

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01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 2: even have it?

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01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: Right? I think the reason is because it's like the

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01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: budget pick.

1441
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, but then they're not that's a list more

1442
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 3: than a ranking. Yeah, though I did read the ranking

1443
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 3: of Oh I don't want to say this because I'll

1444
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 3: spoil spoil my.

1445
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, and I I'm like.

1446
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 3: I need to know what it is, but you'll find

1447
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 3: out soon enough. There's another segment to come, and I

1448
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 3: will bring it up.

1449
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 2: I'm actually like, I do think the queering of it.

1450
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 2: I do think we just do need more personal estoys

1451
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 2: that are sort of like I like this album.

1452
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 3: Here's why it does seem like I'm forgetting a book

1453
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 3: that is like my favorite, my top ten movies, but

1454
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 3: it's actually a memoir that's like you is each movie

1455
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 3: as a jumping yes, seems like such an obvious people.

1456
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: Well, Dave Holmes wrote a memoir that's called like something

1457
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: like Along the Lines of My Life and songs or something,

1458
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: and it's like I don't know, twelve fifteen different songs, yeah,

1459
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: and sort of an essay about each one of them.

1460
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: But they're not ranked, they're not necessarily even his favorite songs.

1461
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: It's just like a song, a song that either reminds

1462
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: him of a time in his life or as a

1463
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: jumping off point for a larger piece of cultural criticism.

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01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: And I do actually I like that as a form. Okay,

1465
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: maybe that's what I'll picture Jackson. That's literally like this

1466
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: whole thing is like, it's like, okay, so it's my

1467
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: life and songs.

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01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 3: But what are your songs?

1469
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: Oh god, we can't go there. Selena Gomez sing as

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01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: single soon. Yeah, I think we should do. If I

1471
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: was like, okay, let's find its like even if only

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01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: I had one.

1473
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: I mean, if only I had one. You know, it's

1474
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 2: so hard these days to come up with something.

1475
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:05,439
Speaker 1: Well, I have a top a thing.

1476
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 3: If we have time about well, introduce the topic and

1477
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 3: I will ask my question because I'm allowed to ask questions.

1478
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, in fact, I just thought of one. So

1479
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't be more thrilled to be moving on to

1480
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: the segment.

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01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 2: Our final is like when it's called shout outs, and

1482
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 2: in this segment we pay amash to the grand straight

1483
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 2: tradition of the radio shout out. Giving me a shout

1484
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 2: out to anything that we enjoy at all.

1485
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,719
Speaker 3: Is a question. Is it a grand straight tradition?

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01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 2: Yes?

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01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well Z one hundred like CRL And.

1488
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 3: When you were seeing those people on TRL doing that,

1489
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,719
Speaker 3: you're going, those are straight people living in straight people.

1490
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 2: Well there's something so it's always too when I think

1491
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 2: about TRL, there would be ranking yes, very true. When

1492
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: they were doing it. It was always like there was

1493
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 2: something braggy about it, where it was like shout out

1494
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 2: to my marching band back home, like I'm in NYC

1495
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:53,560
Speaker 2: and you're in Ohio.

1496
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: Well, there's also an unadult treated joy and positivity that

1497
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: is more difficult for career people to access they know

1498
01:08:59,320 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: too much.

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01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 3: TL is also useful because that's another way rankings exist,

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01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 3: which is the neats like stand culture, needing your thing

1501
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 3: to be the number one ranked whatever.

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01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 1: Right. Well, to me, you know, the opposite of the

1503
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: shout out, I don't think so honey, and that's negative

1504
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: and that's okay and that's gay. So there you go.

1505
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 2: So there you go.

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01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 3: Finally, d.

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01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 2: I mean I do think you know, we talked about

1508
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 2: rankings a lot and as a cultural thing, but when

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01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 2: it comes to gay straight yes, gay people do it

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 2: almost as much as not more, in a way we didn't.

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01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: That was the thing I felt, That's what that's.

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01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 2: What the show was about.

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01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the show is about horseshoe theory.

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01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 2: So that's where it gets complicated and so complicated fact

1515
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 2: that we would rather not address it and.

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01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 3: Forgot to Gay people rank things all the time.

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: No, they ranking things. Gay guys especially.

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01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 2: Gay guys like ranking things because lesbian's personal essays.

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01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what are gay guys ranking?

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01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: Like? Culturally fucking pop music?

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01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 3: Always? Do you feel like a guys from the nineteen

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01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 3: eighties were doing? Yes, I think Oscar Wilde was like,

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01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 3: which Chica's do?

1524
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 2: I like, yeah, all right, cool, So do you disagree?

1525
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 3: But no, I'm coming. I entered in this into ha

1526
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:20,839
Speaker 3: Suan Minaj esque.

1527
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, with a child like you know, you know who

1528
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: great at subverting rankings. David Letterman, speaking of comedy, he

1529
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: would do the what are they called?

1530
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 2: Like?

1531
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: Was it just called top Happen? I mean that was

1532
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: sort of an early satire of the list form. Of course,

1533
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: the ranking form.

1534
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I feel like there probably was a thing

1535
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 3: like Spy magazine, Yes, exactly. I don't know anything about

1536
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 3: spy magazine, but I assume.

1537
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,879
Speaker 1: How maedy journalists doesn't know anything about spy magazine. Interesting.

1538
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 3: I don't like written comedy totally totally yeah, yeah, yeah,

1539
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 3: performed comedy.

1540
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Spy Magazine is one of those things that everyone

1541
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: always talks about being so classic, so classic, and then

1542
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: you try to read it and you're like, I've got

1543
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: these references.

1544
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel that way about so.

1545
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: Many things were like Mad Magazine two.

1546
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 2: We were like, I mean when people were like National Lampoon.

1547
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 2: Like back then, You're like, Okay, I'm gonna try to

1548
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 2: look this up, and it's like, what am I watching? What?

1549
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 2: I think?

1550
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna press play on click again?

1551
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm watching a Hub Halloween for the fourteenth

1552
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 2: time in the middle of summer. No last.

1553
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: I have to get my hands on a copy of

1554
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: that VHS.

1555
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 2: It's on Netflix.

1556
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:32,759
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so okay, okay. The Grand Tradition, The Grand Tradition.

1557
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so George, you said you had one.

1558
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go, Okay, what's up? Jim rats and everyone

1559
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: out there bulking like me. I want to give a

1560
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: shout out to the protein bar brand Bear Bells, I

1561
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: repeat Beare Bells, and specifically the caramel Cashrew flavor. I

1562
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: started eating these because I sort of, for one week,

1563
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: had this idea that I was gonna maybe gain some

1564
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: muscle mass for the first time in my life. I've

1565
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: given up on that. But now I just eat them

1566
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: because they are absolutely delicious. If you ever want to

1567
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: just eat a candy bar and sort of feel like

1568
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: you're also having a meal and even if you're planning

1569
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: on having a full, normal sort of chicken based meal afterwards.

1570
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: I highly recommend the caramel cashew flavor. I also like

1571
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: the salty peanut flavor. And there's also one that's just

1572
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: called creamy and crunchy, and I haven't had the bravery

1573
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 1: to try it because I have no idea what it

1574
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 1: will taste like, but I'm going to go on record

1575
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: that I will try it in the next month. Shout

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01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: out to bare Bells. I don't know what they put

1577
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: in there. It is twenty grams of protein and it

1578
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: tastes like a Snicker's.

1579
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

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01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: Go out there and explore all the different flavor options.

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01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: Whoo whoo.

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01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry I wasn't responding in the moment. I

1583
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 2: was too busy. I know, I'm trying to figure out

1584
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 2: what I was going to do and that you finished,

1585
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 2: and I was like, I forgot to react at all. No,

1586
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 2: you're performing for a wall.

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01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I was recommending a brand of protein bars,

1588
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: which is a standing ovation.

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01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 2: Okay, I have one, what's pre closers, And in an

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01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 2: act of radical self love, I'm giving a shout out

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01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 2: to my haircut.

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01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: That's right, and I can attest to that.

1593
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 2: I went and got a haircut in Los Angeles, California

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01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 2: from a guy who was kind of rude. He was

1595
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 2: sort of trying to queer eye me, but opposite he

1596
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 2: was he like said like, he insulted the current haircut

1597
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,560
Speaker 2: I had, and he put product in without asking me,

1598
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 2: and et cetera, et cetera. But basically, what he ended

1599
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 2: up doing was giving me the most normal haircut of

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01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 2: all time. And in a sense, it's radical and it

1601
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 2: actually is so fun, and I'm looking at myself in there,

1602
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: and I'm saying, this is a different side of me.

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01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 2: It's almost me if I was a gym teacher in

1604
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 2: the Midwest. And of course if you know anything about me,

1605
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 2: you know that that does hot to me. So I

1606
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 2: feel so like I'm in a character, but the character

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01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 2: is me, and I'm so happy, and I'm actually worried

1608
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 2: about it growing out, which is normally the opposite of

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01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,560
Speaker 2: how I feel at haircuts. So shout out to the

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01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 2: rude guy in LA Shout out to Los Angeles, California,

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01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: and shout out to my beautiful haircut. EXO.

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01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: It's so fascinating that, like you think this haircut is

1613
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: gym teacher, but like your mullet was gay guy, when

1614
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: in fact, to me, this haircut is actually like sort

1615
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: of like professional gay guy, you know, on the up

1616
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,919
Speaker 1: and up in the world, working at the big ad agency.

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01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: And then mullet is more gym teacher.

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01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 3: No way, it is like haircut to a person and

1619
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 3: they go as a person who gets haircuts from straight

1620
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 3: man and they and they go, this is haircut. This

1621
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 3: is the number on your side you get, and this

1622
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 3: is the mouth on top associated with the number side.

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01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 2: And I thought like I was sort of like this

1624
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 2: is I'm gonna hate this, and then I'm I'm loving

1625
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 2: my normal era. I think it looks really good. Thank you.

1626
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 3: I am jealous of it. And I also got a haircut,

1627
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 3: but I'm just like, I wish my haircut was like,

1628
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 3: but that's excited, like your hair better than.

1629
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 2: My Well no, no, no, I'm sure that's not true.

1630
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 3: Wearing a hat, you'll never know.

1631
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 2: Okay, Jesse, whenever you're ready.

1632
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: What's up?

1633
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 3: Adam Sandler, has Minaj and all the straight people listening

1634
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 3: to this show. I want to give a shout out

1635
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 3: to Writing Things Down. I recently was reading the Strategist

1636
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 3: ranking of pens and went as high as I can

1637
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 3: go while also not having to spend more than twenty dollars.

1638
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 3: And I bought a fountain pen. And I just write

1639
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 3: things down all the time so I remember them. I

1640
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 3: also will write things down on the subway when I

1641
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 3: have a thought, so I look like I'm either a

1642
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 3: stand up comedian or like an artsy person. I would

1643
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 3: have wrote things down this entire time, but I didn't

1644
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 3: want to give you guys a complex. I think I

1645
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,759
Speaker 3: was predequing you. Sometimes you write things down at a restaurant,

1646
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 3: they think you're a food critic.

1647
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: Ooh.

1648
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 3: And also, it's just nice to do something not on

1649
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 3: your phone. Shout out to pen, shout out to paper.

1650
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 3: It's been around for a while. And thank you guys.

1651
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 2: For having a show, Thanks for doing it. I do

1652
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: want to say just one thing is that I like

1653
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: writing a lot. But when you don't do it often,

1654
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,759
Speaker 2: you forget my wrist shirts. My wrist shirts very very quickly.

1655
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, what kind of hat

1656
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: are we talking about when you're like at a restaurant

1657
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: writing because you want something small enough that it does

1658
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: take it too much space.

1659
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 3: I have the my fine employer provides has has a

1660
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 3: must be. They're called reporters past.

1661
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I actually have long Yeah I believe we know.

1662
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: I used to work at the journalism school and they

1663
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: were just handing them out like candy.

1664
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 2: Now that we have to end, I'm like, damn, but

1665
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 2: there's so much more stuff I want to say. Well,

1666
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 2: I think it's funny that you are. You're betrothed is

1667
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 2: a literal food critic, because it is such a funny

1668
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 2: thing to think about. It's like eating spaghetti and being spaghetti.

1669
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 3: Yup, I mean quite literally on the same less, he

1670
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 3: brings his own the same path that I'm writing. God

1671
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 3: as we not only is he a little food credit,

1672
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 3: we are. I'm going back to the offer now and

1673
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 3: we'll look at him.

1674
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1675
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 1: Well he actually now sits by the vulture.

1676
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 2: Yea, y wow.

1677
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: So he says he hears all the various conversations happening.

1678
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, now then we come, we we we things out.

1679
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 1: Do you feel like he I am curious what his

1680
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: vibe is at work. I'm like, I can imagine him

1681
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: being accidentally I genuinely say like accidentally, not meaning to

1682
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: be looking sort of stand up.

1683
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know yet, because it's like, I don't

1684
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 3: now that he's sitting around us. I think in general,

1685
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,719
Speaker 3: I think sometimes Vulture has a vibe of being insular

1686
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 3: and people don't know if we want people engage or whatever.

1687
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 3: So I'm sure he's probably still feeling that.

1688
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 1: Yes, I think he's so it's a hard Yes, he

1689
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 1: also is sort of solidary. I mean he does have

1690
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: a job that isn't part of it. I mean he

1691
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 1: has it's him and his editor and there is a

1692
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: Grub Street team, but I do think it's sort of

1693
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 1: a solitary job.

1694
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,879
Speaker 3: Does he rank? Is he best restaurant?

1695
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 1: He does Spaghetti's best Spaghetti's. He only ranks spaghetti. They

1696
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: used to do that, but that pre dates and they

1697
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: know it was like a big grin. There's like critics choice.

1698
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: If something is like really good, it'll get critics choice.

1699
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: But there's no. He doesn't do a star rating.

1700
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 3: Which is the cousin of ranking is starring star rating?

1701
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: Now that's interesting. Do you think star right is gayer straight?

1702
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wait, Olivia, just something you want to say.

1703
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 1: I just wanted to share more stuff.

1704
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, Rank, We're gonna talk shrag after we and

1705
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 2: the recording.

1706
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,440
Speaker 1: Jesse David Fox, thank you so much for doing the podcast.

1707
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: Everyone can buy Jesse's book Comedy Book wherever you get

1708
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: your books, and also Peacock Good One. When is it?

1709
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 1: Premiere March twenty sixth March twenty six So peacock dot com?

1710
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 2: Is that even true?

1711
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: Get that lot?

1712
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:36,679
Speaker 2: Okay?

1713
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: Do you think you couldn't even get peacock dot com?

1714
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 2: I thought kind of thought there.

1715
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: Was just some credit.

1716
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 3: I thought it was like an app.

1717
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 2: You know, you don't. You don't go to peacock dot

1718
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 2: com to watch stuff. No one says like, go to

1719
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 2: Netflix dot com.

1720
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:48,759
Speaker 3: Well they are when they're trying to be funny.

1721
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: God, when you're watching on your laptop? Are you downloading

1722
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: the Netflix AAP?

1723
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:53,719
Speaker 2: I'm not watching it on my laptop.

1724
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: Oh, it was a.

1725
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 2: Lot of screaming.

1726
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,799
Speaker 1: I just think a lot of Americans watch on their laptop.

1727
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 2: You can speak for a lot of Americans now.

1728
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, Well, I just think I've you know,

1729
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 1: I'm well traveled, I've met people for all around. You

1730
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: know there are people out there typing in Netflix dot com.

1731
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't watching Jack and Jill. I know a lot

1732
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: of Americans and they are not And we need to

1733
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: connect with those people. Otherwise, this podcast is not gonna grow.

1734
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Okay, bye podcast and now want more?

1735
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: Subscribe to our Patreon for two extra episodes a month,

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