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Speaker 2: Welcome to the New Orleans Saints Podcast. Aaron Summers Here,
Speaker 2: we kick off our position breakdowns today as we are
Speaker 2: ramping up towards the NFL Draft. We're starting with quarterback prospects.
Speaker 2: Several names have been talked about for months now, like
Speaker 2: Miami quarterback cam Ward and Colorado's Shador Sanders. But there
Speaker 2: are a lot more names we'll hear called at the
Speaker 2: end of the month with the draft being April twenty
Speaker 2: fourth through twenty six. Helping me talk all things QBS
Speaker 2: today our very own Saints legend, Luke McCown.
Speaker 1: Luca.
Speaker 2: It's great to have you back on the New Orleans
Speaker 2: Saints Podcast. It's been a little bit of time now
Speaker 2: since we were at the Combine. A couple of pro
Speaker 2: days have happened. How are you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing well. I'm doing well.
Speaker 4: Track season for my kiddos is.
Speaker 5: Starting to wrap up, and so so the late nights
Speaker 5: you know, track, track season can can or track meets
Speaker 5: can get long because my kids run the four hundred
Speaker 5: and the four by four and four by four generally
Speaker 5: the last meeting. Yeah, and so so yeah, it can.
Speaker 5: It can create some late nights. So glad that that's
Speaker 5: kind of wrapping up a little bit. But it's been good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, spring is basically underway and we are getting
Speaker 2: ready for the NFL Draft, So had to have you
Speaker 2: on to preview the quarterback prospects that we have. There's
Speaker 2: been a lot of noise around a bunch of them,
Speaker 2: but last year six went in the first round. How
Speaker 2: do you think that the talent and depth compares to
Speaker 2: last year's draft.
Speaker 5: Yeah, overall talent wise, I don't think uh, and I
Speaker 5: think that this I'm not stating anything.
Speaker 3: That's that's and I've been said before.
Speaker 5: I don't think that overall talent wise, it's quite what
Speaker 5: it was last year. You know, when you talk about
Speaker 5: Caleb and gosh, you know Jade Dams and what he
Speaker 5: did this year, obviously a Heisman Trophy winner, you got
Speaker 5: both next you just gotta you know, everybody, all the
Speaker 5: things that that that these guys did on the field
Speaker 5: when they when they got into the regular season kind
Speaker 5: of proved to you what they were, you know why
Speaker 5: they were considered h where they.
Speaker 4: Were and and drafted where they were.
Speaker 5: And so I don't think overall, talent wise, you you
Speaker 5: get that from this class. That's not to say that
Speaker 5: there's guys that that aren't worthy obviously. Uh, you know,
Speaker 5: necessity kind of rules the day when it becomes you know,
Speaker 5: when it comes to the draft, and so team that
Speaker 5: need quarterbacks are going to get quarterbacks. And it really
Speaker 5: doesn't matter what the prognosticators say. It really doesn't matter,
Speaker 5: you know what the what the presumed talent level is.
Speaker 5: There's gonna be guys that are that go in in
Speaker 5: areas that maybe they shouldn't otherwise simply from the standpoint
Speaker 5: of need. And and like I said, necessity becomes king
Speaker 5: on draft day and if you need a quarterback, you
Speaker 5: have to go get one.
Speaker 2: Well, once again, following the saga of Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 2: where he's gonna land, it seems like it's going to
Speaker 2: be with the Steelers. What are some of the NFL
Speaker 2: teams that you think do have that need at quarterback
Speaker 2: that will be drafting for one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, obviously the Steelers.
Speaker 5: They're trying to address that, you know, with Aaron, and
Speaker 5: it sounds like that's getting closer and closer to becoming
Speaker 5: a reality.
Speaker 3: Obviously.
Speaker 5: The Oakland Raiders are one that you would kind of
Speaker 5: go that they you know, they need guy. They've you know,
Speaker 5: they they've tried a few guys in the past and
Speaker 5: it's just hadn't hadn't really been one to to stick yet.
Speaker 5: You know, I think there are several teams that that
Speaker 5: you look at and and and you know, what's what's
Speaker 5: New York gonna do? And I mean they've they've got
Speaker 5: obviously Russ and and uh and Jabu now and and
Speaker 5: so you know, what's their mindset?
Speaker 3: Uh, do they feel like they're set?
Speaker 5: They've got two veteran guys that have been in the league,
Speaker 5: that have won games, that have been successful.
Speaker 3: What's their mindset.
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people have have tried to
Speaker 5: attach Schador to the Giants in some way, but uh,
Speaker 5: you know, to me, I think the move and signing
Speaker 5: both of those pieces tells you that they're not in
Speaker 5: the market, that they're not interested in a quarterback that
Speaker 5: they they're going to go about it with with you know,
Speaker 5: a veteran presence and and not kind of hitch their
Speaker 5: wagon to a rookie, you know, because quite honestly, the
Speaker 5: Giants have to.
Speaker 3: Have to win this year.
Speaker 5: I mean that that staff is it's probably gonna be
Speaker 5: given a short leash, I would, I would think, And
Speaker 5: so I can see why they're gonna go to the
Speaker 5: veteran route. Cleveland obviously, uh has has been quarterback needy
Speaker 5: since I.
Speaker 4: Was drafted there in two thousand and four, So.
Speaker 5: You know, they're they're always looking to to to be
Speaker 5: in a spot there. I think Kirk Cousins makes a
Speaker 5: lot of sense. He's got a background with Kevin Stefanski
Speaker 5: and and if that happens, then they're out of the
Speaker 5: quarterback market. As far as the draft goes, I think,
Speaker 5: so yeah, it's gonna be interesting, to say the least.
Speaker 5: I mean, they're there's you know, again, every the quarterback
Speaker 5: pick early in the draft is always the sexy pick,
Speaker 5: because everybody.
Speaker 3: Goes, well, you gotta have a franchise guy.
Speaker 5: We gotta Yeah, but you can set your franchise back
Speaker 5: if you reach for a guy that's not a franchise guy.
Speaker 5: You you're gonna turn the whole building around. Because coaches
Speaker 5: at that point are going to be on the hot seat.
Speaker 3: And and so.
Speaker 5: I think you're gonna find a lot of teams that
Speaker 5: are going to explore every option outside of drafting one.
Speaker 4: Save cam Ward. I think I think.
Speaker 5: That's you can probably write that in Stone after his
Speaker 5: pro day. I think that he's going to go to Tennessee. Uh.
Speaker 3: And I think that's probably the.
Speaker 5: The surest bet for where a quarterback is going to
Speaker 5: go in this draft so far. Uh And and that'll
Speaker 5: be the right play for Tennessee. They've they've got to
Speaker 5: get that right. And I think cam is the only
Speaker 5: one worthy of that. Uh.
Speaker 3: That pick, you know, as a number one.
Speaker 4: In this draft.
Speaker 2: And Ward out of Miami. He didn't participate in the combine,
Speaker 2: but as you mentioned, did do the on field drills
Speaker 2: through at his pro day in Miami. What did you see?
Speaker 2: Why do you think that he really solidified himself in that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's a little more dynamic than than
Speaker 5: just about every other guy in this draft.
Speaker 3: He plays with extreme confidence. His journey is one that
Speaker 3: you make movies out of.
Speaker 5: Right, a zero star recruit, incarnate word in Houston and
Speaker 5: kind of growing from there. And so this this trajectory
Speaker 5: that he's been on for the last four years is
Speaker 5: really impressive, and as an evaluator, it makes you go, man,
Speaker 5: he had that type of hunger, that type of chip
Speaker 5: on his shoulder, whatever you want to call it, that
Speaker 5: his his progression, his growth is so impressive that you
Speaker 5: you have to expect that it's going to be that
Speaker 5: much more so when it's his job, when he's not
Speaker 5: divided in school, when he's got plenty of money and
Speaker 5: the resources to apply to his body, apply to training,
Speaker 5: all the different things that he's going to do the
Speaker 5: you know, all the all the the the necessary things
Speaker 5: off the field to become as good as he can be.
Speaker 5: And so I think as an evaluator, as a team
Speaker 5: and you look at it as a coaching staff, you look
Speaker 5: at that and go, man, that's our guy. And then
Speaker 5: when he shows it to you on the field and
Speaker 5: the things that you see in shorts that that obviously
Speaker 5: don't mean a whole lot obviously, but when when it
Speaker 5: matches what the tape shows, that's the big deal. When
Speaker 5: when your traits match what shows up on tape and
Speaker 5: it and it leads to productivity, that's when it all
Speaker 5: kind of comes together.
Speaker 3: And Uh, and I think Cam did that magically.
Speaker 5: I don't think that he's some wildly athletic He's not
Speaker 5: an Anthony Richardson athletic kind of a guy like that.
Speaker 5: But but he's slippery enough, he gets out of the
Speaker 5: pocket well, he understands angles and and timing and rhythm.
Speaker 5: He just he gets it from a passer's perspective and
Speaker 5: plays with just enough of the the off script and
Speaker 5: athletic ability that you would need to to be successful.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what separates him from the rest
Speaker 5: of the you know, the guys in this group.
Speaker 2: When you look at somebody like Jalen Millroe, who did
Speaker 2: rush for twenty touchdowns, has that ability with his legs.
Speaker 2: Is that something you value based on scheme and what
Speaker 2: you're doing as the NFL team their offense And when
Speaker 2: do you rank that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it's extremely valuable it but like you just
Speaker 5: said it, it will be.
Speaker 4: More valuable to a certain scheme, right.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: You would see that that that skill set being.
Speaker 5: Very well played out in the Philadelphia Eagles in a
Speaker 5: Kellen Moore's system, It would be very well played out
Speaker 5: in a in a Baltimore Ravens system. Even in a
Speaker 5: in a Buffalo Bill system where they use Josh that
Speaker 5: way a whole lot. As a matter of fact, I
Speaker 5: think over the last you know whatever it is two
Speaker 5: or three seasons, Josh has led the league in in
Speaker 5: UH in touchdown runs.
Speaker 4: Over the span of three years or so. And so.
Speaker 3: It is he's one of my favorite guys in this draft.
Speaker 5: Not It's not like I think that he's gonna, you know,
Speaker 5: somehow jump into the first round.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I I I tweeted this a couple of days ago.
Speaker 5: I think that he's got the highest ceiling of all
Speaker 5: the quarterbacks in this draft because of his skill set,
Speaker 5: because of the traits that he has.
Speaker 3: Uh, he's incredibly smart.
Speaker 5: UH, he's a great leader, and and he has all
Speaker 5: the raw athleticism that you would want to build around.
Speaker 5: And you know, he needs to get polished up, and
Speaker 5: some team out there is going to fall in love
Speaker 5: with it. And I had a conversation with Kurt Warner
Speaker 5: on on Twitter just the other day, kind of a
Speaker 5: back and forth, and it's just because he's raw and
Speaker 5: has the traits doesn't mean he'll ever realize them. But
Speaker 5: coaches in the NFL are generally and I say this
Speaker 5: tongue in cheek, egotistical enough. They believe they can coach
Speaker 5: that guy up. They believe that they that they're coaching
Speaker 5: will get him to the to the next step, to
Speaker 5: the next, you know, level of progression or development, and
Speaker 5: somebody's gonna fall in love with him and probably take him.
Speaker 5: I think I don't see him going any lower than
Speaker 5: probably the fourth round, because he's I think that his
Speaker 5: skill set, his traits are are probably different, not probably
Speaker 5: are different than just about anybody else in this.
Speaker 2: Draft, somebody that's on everyone's radar. I have seen his
Speaker 2: name associated with the Saints a little bit as Jackson
Speaker 2: Dart old mess quarterback. I've seen him comp to Garner.
Speaker 1: Men.
Speaker 2: Shoot, how do you feel about him? You think that's
Speaker 2: a good comparison.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think that's a good comparison at all.
Speaker 5: I think Jackson's really sharp, I do, and and his
Speaker 5: his rise since the Senior Bowl, through his combine performance
Speaker 5: and then through his pro day performance has been something
Speaker 5: to watch. I think he has played himself into the
Speaker 5: first round, potentially at number nine. You know, as much
Speaker 5: as the kind of the aura has been lately around
Speaker 5: Mickey and Kellen and and visiting all these quarterbacks in
Speaker 5: their pro days, it really seems like that it's quite
Speaker 5: a possibility. And now again, I still believe that theirs
Speaker 5: will be a philosophy of best available, and when it
Speaker 5: comes to nine, I don't know that at number nine
Speaker 5: that that they're gonna believe that Jackson is the best
Speaker 5: available on the board. He'll be the best quarterback available,
Speaker 5: I believe at that point. Right now, I think it's
Speaker 5: cam Ward Jackson, Darter, I thinks Doors after that, then
Speaker 5: I think it's Tyler Shuck probably somewhere in the in
Speaker 5: the second round, and then from there it's uh, it's.
Speaker 4: It's McCord, it's Milrow, it's yours and Howard.
Speaker 5: They'll all be interchangeable somewhere in the third to fourth round.
Speaker 5: I don't see any of those guys probably falling outside
Speaker 5: of the fifth round. I think that's probably the depth
Speaker 5: of it. But I do think that Jackson would fit
Speaker 5: Kellen Moore's offense. I think I've I've spent some time
Speaker 5: with Jackson in the off seasons prior in Dallas to
Speaker 5: at some quarterback camps. He's built just like Dak Prescott.
Speaker 4: Big uh.
Speaker 5: You know, he's got a strong lower half, throws with
Speaker 5: a great base, runs just well enough, but it's strong
Speaker 5: in the pocket. He I think what separates him as
Speaker 5: a passer. He understands the different types of throws. You
Speaker 5: saw this at at the Senior Bowl. The different types
Speaker 5: of throws necessary the back shoulders, down the seam, or
Speaker 5: when to stop a guy or I just think that
Speaker 5: he has a next level of understanding of the type
Speaker 5: of throws that are necessary.
Speaker 4: And it's not even just the understanding, but the ability
Speaker 4: to pull it off.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of us, a lot of us felt
Speaker 5: good about understanding the types of throws that we needed,
Speaker 5: but we couldn't pull it off right.
Speaker 4: So I do think that he would fit.
Speaker 5: I think I think again, you look at his progression
Speaker 5: and completion percentage went up every year that he was
Speaker 5: in college. Touchdowns to interception ratio was beautiful all four
Speaker 5: years in college, and so I think he would be
Speaker 5: a fit for what Kevin Moore wants to do. Again,
Speaker 5: I think his comp is probably more along the lines
Speaker 5: of adjailent Hurts that throws a little bit better.
Speaker 4: I don't see the Gardner.
Speaker 5: Minshew comp but but yeah, I think it would fit
Speaker 5: quite well in a Black.
Speaker 4: And Gold UNI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty nine touchdowns, only six centers receptions, so very
Speaker 2: efficient this season alone. So you think that he is
Speaker 2: going to go ahead of shedor Sanders because I I
Speaker 2: haven't seen that out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 5: And that's just from my perspective, I think, and and
Speaker 5: Tim Hauselback said it this week. Uh, and I've said
Speaker 5: it for several weeks now months even.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were saying this at the combine, you were,
Speaker 2: I think, what's your door?
Speaker 5: Lax is the high end physical talent to go in
Speaker 5: the in the upper half of the first round. He
Speaker 5: obviously was was very productive Jackson State, very productive at
Speaker 5: at Colorado. When you're choosing a guy inside the top ten, Uh,
Speaker 5: it all has to match. I mean you got to
Speaker 5: check every box. And somebody is going to say, well
Speaker 5: what about Bryce, that's an outlier. I don't And even
Speaker 5: though you would say well what about Bryce young, Nick
Speaker 5: Saban would tell you he was the best, the quickest
Speaker 5: guy on their team by far, And so there are
Speaker 5: physical traits that have to match.
Speaker 4: And then you know, you get in trouble when you
Speaker 4: just rely on physical traits.
Speaker 5: Okay, so let's look at the Indianapolis Colts and what
Speaker 5: they're doing now after drafting a guy just all physical trades.
Speaker 5: He only had thirteen starts in college that they weren't
Speaker 5: necessarily wildly productive. But he has traits that nobody else
Speaker 5: on the planet has, and so they draft him at
Speaker 5: number four or whatever it was. And so traits are
Speaker 5: what gets you drafted in the first round trades plus
Speaker 5: productivity or what gets you drafted in the top ten. Right,
Speaker 5: Shudur has productivity, but he doesn't have very many traits
Speaker 5: that set you apart.
Speaker 3: I would say he has an average arm.
Speaker 4: And this is not me.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to beraate him or talk bad about him.
Speaker 5: This is my what I believe when I turn on
Speaker 5: the tape. I think that he anticipates very well, if
Speaker 5: he sees the field very well. I think he understands progressions.
Speaker 5: I think he understands, you know, timing and rhythm and
Speaker 5: throwing guys open. I think he understands all of that.
Speaker 5: But he's he's going to be limited in his ability
Speaker 5: to escape. He's going to be limited in his ability
Speaker 5: to affect the game with his legs in a gotta
Speaker 5: have it moment where stuff breaks down, and he's going
Speaker 5: to be limited in those things, and and uh, he's
Speaker 5: going to be limited in what he can do pushing
Speaker 5: the ball down the field. Lots of guys have been
Speaker 5: very successful in the NFL that had those exact same limitations, right,
Speaker 5: Drew Brees with one of them. So that's not to
Speaker 5: say that he can't be a very good pro or
Speaker 5: even a Hall of Famer someday. But when we talk
Speaker 5: about where a guy is going to get drafted and
Speaker 5: and and the slot that he should be projected in,
Speaker 5: and all of it has to match up. You know,
Speaker 5: talk to coaches and say, when you draft a guy
Speaker 5: in the top ten with your number one pick, you
Speaker 5: expect him to wear a gold jacket one day. And
Speaker 5: and most guys that wear gold jackets have some pretty
Speaker 5: unique traits about themselves. And then some guys, you know,
Speaker 5: like Tom Brady, that didn't really have unique traits about it.
Speaker 5: His unique trait was just his his grit, his will,
Speaker 5: and his mindset right some the ice flowing through his veins.
Speaker 5: Those were his unique traits, but they weren't physical giftings.
Speaker 5: And so so yeah, I think there's some things that
Speaker 5: when when it comes down to it, I might be
Speaker 5: totally wrong, and I'll and I'll be the first to
Speaker 5: call it out if I'm totally right, it won't be.
Speaker 4: Hard to see if he goes second in the draft.
Speaker 5: I would just say my for for for what I
Speaker 5: look at and quarterback I think cam Woard obviously is
Speaker 5: a clear cut number one.
Speaker 4: Jackson Dart I think provides more of that.
Speaker 5: The the the physical capabilities that you want to see
Speaker 5: in a quarterback drafted inside the top ten, and then
Speaker 5: I do will go in the latter half of the
Speaker 5: first round, I believe. But but that's how.
Speaker 3: I see it.
Speaker 2: Colorado's pro day is April fourth. What kind of scene
Speaker 2: is that going to be?
Speaker 5: I can't imagine, you know there, Uh listen, Coach Prime
Speaker 5: is is uh uh no stranger to uh doing it big, right,
Speaker 5: And so I expect it to.
Speaker 4: Be over the top and a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: And uh if you're a if you're a Colorado fan,
Speaker 5: it will be the awesomest day ever.
Speaker 3: And if you're if you're you know, some of those
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 5: That that that don't appreciate the fandom and what Coach
Speaker 5: Prime has brought to Colorado and uh and and you
Speaker 5: know kind of the the the vibe that's kind of
Speaker 5: taking place over the last two years down there. Then
Speaker 5: there'll be like, oh, it's just a dog and pony show, but.
Speaker 3: Uh, listen, I'm here for it.
Speaker 4: It's it's the game of football is what we love.
Speaker 5: And the more attention on it, the better for everybody,
Speaker 5: for coaches, for players, for our college athletes, and.
Speaker 3: Uh listen, I don't I don't want to.
Speaker 5: I don't want to ever uh lose sight of the
Speaker 5: fact that these are these these opportunities come around for
Speaker 5: these young men and They've been working for them for
Speaker 5: their whole life. I'll never forget my pro day and
Speaker 5: I'll you know, just the the how much fun it was.
Speaker 5: All these coaches are coming to see you like they
Speaker 5: are all these gems. They're coming to watch you do
Speaker 5: your thing. So go out and do it and enjoy it,
Speaker 5: live it up, have fun doing it, put your best
Speaker 5: foot forward. And uh and then you know, go to
Speaker 5: sleep at night and rest well knowing that. And I've
Speaker 5: I've prepared my whole life for this moment right here,
Speaker 5: and I'm getting the opportunity to do it. And if
Speaker 5: it goes well and and uh and you know, you
Speaker 5: up your draft stock even.
Speaker 2: Better for quarterbacks that have taken their teams deep into playoffs.
Speaker 2: You know you're looking at Ohio States Will Howard for instance.
Speaker 2: How much does that play into their stock?
Speaker 5: I go back and forth on that because, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: when I came out, there was a guy named J. P.
Speaker 4: Lowsman that got drafted in the first round.
Speaker 5: Again, got a strong arm, but didn't have a whole
Speaker 5: lot of production at at Tulane at the time as
Speaker 5: far as wins and losses go, and and uh and
Speaker 5: yet somehow jumped up into the first round.
Speaker 3: And so uh you.
Speaker 5: You want a guy that has a record of winning,
Speaker 5: like a guy that and this is why they look.
Speaker 5: They go all over you know, scouts and gems, They
Speaker 5: go all the back to high school like what did
Speaker 5: he do there?
Speaker 4: And it kind of.
Speaker 5: Goes full circle with a conversation we were just having
Speaker 5: regarding traits and and Anthony Richardson. His high school record was,
Speaker 5: from what I understand, really bad. I don't there wasn't
Speaker 5: you know for a guy that that should have dominated
Speaker 5: the high school, filled with his size and abilities, you know,
Speaker 5: that didn't have a whole lot of wins in his
Speaker 5: high school career, and obviously at Florida just wasn't a
Speaker 5: stellar and yet gets drafted number four overall.
Speaker 4: And then you look at a guy like Will Howard,
Speaker 4: who's been a winner national championship, you know, played in
Speaker 4: some tremendous atmospheres and and gone through, especially now gone
Speaker 4: through the kind of the playoff atmosphere of college football,
Speaker 4: and what that'll do for a guy, I.
Speaker 5: Don't see it doing anything but helping you and and
Speaker 5: clearly winning.
Speaker 3: For a quarterback, you have to know how to win.
Speaker 5: We talk a lot about knowing how to win right,
Speaker 5: how to how to play the down and distance game,
Speaker 5: how to play the turnover game, how to understand clock management.
Speaker 4: All that stuff goes into winning and at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, it falls on your quarterback.
Speaker 5: And so to be able to have a thirteen win
Speaker 5: season or whatever Ohio State was this year and whatever
Speaker 5: they were last year, to do what he's done shows
Speaker 5: his command of all things that point to giving us
Speaker 5: an opportunity to win.
Speaker 3: And you would say the same with a lot of
Speaker 3: the things that Jaylen.
Speaker 5: Milroe has done, and really a lot of these guys
Speaker 5: quen you wers going through the playoff process.
Speaker 4: You know, McCord making was it Syracuse this year relevant?
Speaker 4: And so you know the.
Speaker 5: Process, It at the end of the day comes down
Speaker 5: to can this guy win.
Speaker 3: Football games for us?
Speaker 5: And so I don't again, I think I think Howard's
Speaker 5: probably going to be if somebody really falls in love
Speaker 5: with him in the third round, probably be more like
Speaker 5: a fourth round pick. But he'll be a guy that
Speaker 5: plays for a long time. He'll be a guy that, yeah,
Speaker 5: I was drafting the fourth round, but be a guy
Speaker 5: that plays thirteen years, ten twelve, thirteen years Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3: He might get an opportunity to go and.
Speaker 5: Lead for four or five games in a season and
Speaker 5: then somebody goes, hey, we want to give you another
Speaker 5: shot to come and compete, and he'll build his resume
Speaker 5: out that way.
Speaker 3: But I like those guys. I mean, that was a
Speaker 3: fourth round pick.
Speaker 5: We didn't win a ton of games at Louisiana Tech
Speaker 5: because we were playing the likes of the Penn States
Speaker 5: and LSU s.
Speaker 3: We were out man. But but but.
Speaker 5: I like those guys that they kind of got a
Speaker 5: grind for it and they'll he'll have a long career.
Speaker 2: When you look at somebody like dj Uliangla and what
Speaker 2: happened with his career trajectory in college. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: an afterthought now. I think when you talk about the quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: and it seemed like he was somebody that was really
Speaker 2: highly rated early on in his career. Do you think
Speaker 2: that maybe he could fall into another opportunity down the line, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I do. I think.
Speaker 5: For me, I think it's best for DJ to stay
Speaker 5: under the radar for as long as po possible. There
Speaker 5: are some things that he's he's you know, working through
Speaker 5: the listen. It was well documented the struggles that he
Speaker 5: had at Florida State and UH, and and then you know,
Speaker 5: prior to that in Clemson and just kind of the
Speaker 5: moves that he'd made to try and put him in
Speaker 5: the in a position, put put himself in a position
Speaker 5: to to be successful and give himself an opportunity.
Speaker 3: A lot of pressure coming on that guy.
Speaker 5: I remember whatever it was four years ago and UH
Speaker 5: and Kyper going on saying he could be a potential
Speaker 5: number one overall pick before never like set foot on
Speaker 5: the field.
Speaker 4: And I'm going, God, it's.
Speaker 5: A lot of pressure for a guy that's you know,
Speaker 5: and he was taking over at Clemson and all this
Speaker 5: other stuff and so uh, I think it's best that
Speaker 5: he remained under the radar and just continue to better
Speaker 5: his craft and get better and better, stay out of
Speaker 5: the limelight, no pressure, nobody's expecting anything of you.
Speaker 3: Uh, he's in you.
Speaker 5: And again, I was with him at a quarterback camp
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago. You can't such a good guy,
Speaker 5: such a down to earth, humble young man.
Speaker 3: And he's huge.
Speaker 5: He's a massive human and so he's gonna have opportunities
Speaker 5: and abilities that other guys don't have if he'll just
Speaker 5: develop the emotional wherewithal to stand the I'm not getting noticed,
Speaker 5: I'm not getting talked to through training camp, nobody is,
Speaker 5: because that's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: And that's a battle in and of itself.
Speaker 5: When you're not a guy getting a ton of reps
Speaker 5: and nobody's talking to you and nobody's telling.
Speaker 4: You anything, do you have the resolve to just stay
Speaker 4: levelheaded about it?
Speaker 5: Not?
Speaker 3: And so if he can stay with it.
Speaker 5: He'll get an opportunity somewhere, just because I think he's
Speaker 5: been through enough of it that that he's building some thick.
Speaker 3: Skin, and guys with thick skin can can play.
Speaker 4: A long time.
Speaker 2: When yours it seems like he has mixed outings. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what do you see him as as an NFL quarterback?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 5: I would say that Quinn is most people would probably
Speaker 5: consider himn underachiever in college, considering the hype surrounding him
Speaker 5: coming out of high school. He for went his senior
Speaker 5: year in high school to go to Ohio State. He
Speaker 5: was going to be the second coming uh. And and
Speaker 5: one year into Ohio State and it's I've got.
Speaker 3: To transfer out of here.
Speaker 5: And so gets to Texas and and eventually he finds
Speaker 5: his footing. Has two really solid seasons these last two years,
Speaker 5: go to the playoffs. Uh, and he really did some
Speaker 5: good things in the playoffs this year. You saw him
Speaker 5: have commanded the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: You saw him make some big throws.
Speaker 4: His is.
Speaker 5: I think there's a there's there's a a faction of
Speaker 5: coaches that want to see a little more grit in
Speaker 5: your quarterback.
Speaker 3: And he's so.
Speaker 4: Such a flat liner, so calm that it can be
Speaker 4: a turnoff. It can be a I remember because I
Speaker 4: was a little bit like that.
Speaker 5: I remember my experience with John Gruden and he was like, Hey,
Speaker 5: you guys need to see you get fired up. Sometimes
Speaker 5: and and so I think there's a little bit of
Speaker 5: that with Ginn. I think he's very talented. I think
Speaker 5: he throws the ball extremely well. He's another one that's
Speaker 5: probably a little bit better than average in terms of
Speaker 5: arm strength and ability to play book. But he's played
Speaker 5: a lot of football. He comes from a with Sarkasian
Speaker 5: with a with a really good background in an NFL
Speaker 5: style offense. I don't think that he'll go any higher
Speaker 5: than probably the third round. I think his floor as
Speaker 5: far as being drafted will be the fifth round. Somebody
Speaker 5: will take him somewhere in that neighborhood. He'll get a
Speaker 5: chance compete right away for a backup spot, I believe.
Speaker 5: And then it's just about the opportunity and and the
Speaker 5: right system, uh and and you can't control that part
Speaker 5: of it. So his ability to adapt will be big
Speaker 5: to a to an offense that may not be the
Speaker 5: best fit for him. I think a West Coast, very
Speaker 5: timing based offense would be very good for him. If
Speaker 5: he goes into this heavy play action, you know, run
Speaker 5: the ball type, I don't know that that will fit
Speaker 5: him a whole lot, but but his ability to adapt
Speaker 5: will will determine you know how long he gets to
Speaker 5: do it, but I think I do think he's talented.
Speaker 3: You know, it only takes one.
Speaker 5: Everybody will always it only takes one to fall in
Speaker 5: love with you and UH, and you know, we'll see.
Speaker 3: Where it goes.
Speaker 2: Is it too early to ask about Arch?
Speaker 3: No? Probably not, Probably not.
Speaker 5: I you know, if if I were putting together I
Speaker 5: actually said this, I think a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 5: But I think there are there are teams that are
Speaker 5: putting themselves in position to have an opportunity. And then
Speaker 5: I'm not talking about tanking or anything like that, but
Speaker 5: with draft picks and UH and salary caps and all
Speaker 5: the different you know, hoops and hurdles you gotta jump
Speaker 5: through to get yourself in a position to maybe, Hey,
Speaker 5: if I'm gonna if I've got a guy that's you know,
Speaker 5: two years left and I'm wanna trade up, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: try and position myself with draft capital that I can
Speaker 5: trade and get to a position where maybe I can.
Speaker 5: I think the same will be said for DJ Lagway
Speaker 5: of Florida k Klubnick. I mean, there's some guys that
Speaker 5: are coming out. I don't mean to say that they're
Speaker 5: all being the same draft. These will probably all be staggered.
Speaker 5: But those are three guys that you look at and go, man,
Speaker 5: they're they're different. They're different guys that can play. And
Speaker 5: we don't know that completely yet about Arch because he
Speaker 5: hadn't started enough games I don't think yet.
Speaker 3: But what you've seen is like and he's got a little.
Speaker 5: Bit different demeanor than Peyton and Eli, probably a little
Speaker 5: bit more athletic.
Speaker 3: You've got a few.
Speaker 5: More things in this tool box that are gonna coaches
Speaker 5: are gonna fall in love with. And there's gonna be
Speaker 5: a lot of teams lining up trying to get in
Speaker 5: a position to draft.
Speaker 4: You know, one of three.
Speaker 3: Of those guys.
Speaker 2: Isn't football just the best? I mean, we could sit
Speaker 2: here and talk about it forever and the next seasons
Speaker 2: and everything coming up for NFL and college. But the
Speaker 2: next thing is the NFL Draft here in April twenty fourth.
Speaker 2: We'll see how it all shakes out.
Speaker 3: Looking forward to it. Can't wait.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. First and in the time talking
Speaker 2: QBS for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Aaron, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Great stuff from Luke. As always. For Friday, we'll bring
Speaker 2: in John stinchcom former offensive lineman here to talk offensive line,
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