Speaker 1: M My name is Clay and Nucleman. This is a
Speaker 1: production of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f
Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear
Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.
Speaker 1: So Josh is now like the audio bad boy of
Speaker 1: the bear Grease podcast. I gotta rep now got a
Speaker 1: you got you got priors. Well, he got reprimanded. He
Speaker 1: got reprimanded for fidgeting, heavy breed, drinking on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Not alcoholic drinks, non alcoholic drinks, but drinking on the podcast.
Speaker 1: And then and so we were texting Josh. You know, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's here's the thing that we all do, and we
Speaker 1: all know it when you actually need to talk to
Speaker 1: someone about something serious and you turn it into like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a joke. You're doing a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah you see what I'm saying. Yeah, it's like rather
Speaker 1: than like call Josh and like front him, yeah, just
Speaker 1: like which is to be Britt Reeves says that who's
Speaker 1: never anyone in his life. I was like, hey, stop,
Speaker 1: so we so, so we send a text thread and
Speaker 1: we're liked, h your bad, you need to watch. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying no, no. So after a couple of joking
Speaker 1: text messages about the heavy breathing, then it was like,
Speaker 1: Josh is really this is how we create a villain.
Speaker 1: He's he's adjusting that mike to briefe directly into it.
Speaker 1: I'd like to bring up a point like the chairs
Speaker 1: provided are very noisy, Like is that our ads ambiance?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like we're sitting in a recording studio.
Speaker 1: It's your lay has attacked Josh. Josh has now attacked back.
Speaker 1: He says, this is not a recording studio. Wow, that
Speaker 1: really hurts my feeling, he said, he said, King, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did it in a joke style. So what if
Speaker 1: you after this, like Clay, I know you think this
Speaker 1: is a recording studio, it's not. You think that all
Speaker 1: the taxidermy deadens the sound, but it doesn't took that
Speaker 1: bear out of here, This thing that sounds like an echo. Chack.
Speaker 1: Wonder I wonder whether like resonance would be if you
Speaker 1: removed every bear hide from here, it would be It's
Speaker 1: definitely it's seriously echoe it was when he first moved in.
Speaker 1: But now with all the bear hides and the first
Speaker 1: the first absorble lotour five, six, seven, eight, eight bear hides,
Speaker 1: a full deer hide of mountain hawks, eighteen coon hides
Speaker 1: of mountain line. Did you say mountain a black panther shoulder,
Speaker 1: mount black panther shoulder, mount bear chaps? Does it really? Well?
Speaker 1: Welcome to the bear grea surrender guys. I'm very excited
Speaker 1: about today's podcast. I want to just pitch this in
Speaker 1: right here at the front so that everybody will know
Speaker 1: August second through the fourth, this podcast comes out on
Speaker 1: the third of two. There's time left. There's time left.
Speaker 1: There's a big season opener sale for First Light, f
Speaker 1: h J gear, Pelps, the game calls and all the
Speaker 1: meat Eater brands and basically I'm not gonna go through
Speaker 1: all the exact stuff, but if there was ever time
Speaker 1: to buy a first Light gear, it's now big sales
Speaker 1: on everything that they've got. Also with Phelps there's some
Speaker 1: stuff that's even off with the first Light. Um. Phelps
Speaker 1: is having a big, big sale. Their bugle that has
Speaker 1: the built in diaphragm is revolutionizing. ELK call I mean
Speaker 1: you know, typically, Josh, you use a like a turkey
Speaker 1: type die forragm call and then you blow through a
Speaker 1: bugle tube and it takes a little bit of a
Speaker 1: little bit of practice to blow it. Is there a
Speaker 1: video where I can see that used, like in a
Speaker 1: home shopping network type of Yes, and Texas. There happens
Speaker 1: to be two gentlemen that I just I met him
Speaker 1: just briefly. Uh, clud Nucomb and brag Reaves that made
Speaker 1: a little video at a gas station with tex come back,
Speaker 1: we got some work for you. Just first, let you
Speaker 1: have any bootcut pants for Isaac? Oh, no, I wish. Hey,
Speaker 1: what would you say to a guy who says I
Speaker 1: like to buy my stuff at the last minute and
Speaker 1: at full price? Like is this a good opportunity for them? No?
Speaker 1: If that guy would need to wait to the fifth
Speaker 1: of August? Yeah, absolutely, yeah, like roll the dice. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to show up in time,
Speaker 1: wait until wait if I was like okay, cool, but
Speaker 1: if you want if you want a good deal stuff, yeah,
Speaker 1: and to get it in plenty of time for the season.
Speaker 1: Now is the Times season openers sale? Very well? You know?
Speaker 1: And look how our main man here is dressed and overalls.
Speaker 1: This is kind of like done lap stole right here.
Speaker 1: You know, this is this is aneated. This is all
Speaker 1: high tech stuff yourself and this is all you need
Speaker 1: is overalls, right and I go to attitude and perfect balance.
Speaker 1: I have all those on white teeth, and you wear
Speaker 1: quite a bit at first leg all the time. Well,
Speaker 1: we're just begging them to make us some overalls. Cut
Speaker 1: that out. I got it. Don't cut it out. I
Speaker 1: don't cut it out. If I get in trouble, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna blame you, though you got the last render. So
Speaker 1: we always every now and then describe are the structure
Speaker 1: of our podcast for anyone who Every other week we
Speaker 1: have the Bargeras Render, which is where we gather up
Speaker 1: a group of people to talk about the real Bargeras,
Speaker 1: which is our documentary style podcast, which we do every
Speaker 1: other week. So we produce a weekly podcast. So this
Speaker 1: week on the Render, we are going to be talking
Speaker 1: about our gas station tax Jeremy road show podcast. Very fun,
Speaker 1: it was very entertaining. Oh Man, me and Isaac when
Speaker 1: we kind of built this idea and I built this
Speaker 1: idea means I called Isaac and was like, this is
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do, and he was like, great idea.
Speaker 1: But it just means a lot when he's like, great idea.
Speaker 1: Do it. So when we built this podcast, I was like, yes, man,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is uh, this is gonna be good.
Speaker 1: Why is that dog barking? Tessar, I can't take dogs barking,
Speaker 1: he says that, and they're always barking. So I was
Speaker 1: excited about this because it was just a different style
Speaker 1: of podcasts and we've ever done it. Was it was,
Speaker 1: but it was a lot of fun. It was primarily
Speaker 1: in the field content. We had two feature guests, one
Speaker 1: of which was Missy Nukeam and was JP Shreef, who
Speaker 1: couldn't be here. He was gonna come, but he wasn't
Speaker 1: able to, but so we're gonna talk about that a
Speaker 1: little bit later. Fascinating character. I've met him before, Old J. B.
Speaker 1: Shrieve Introductions. We're gonna go counterclockwise this time. To my right,
Speaker 1: Josh Landbridge, Spillmaker, Josh still as the Beargrease Audio bad
Speaker 1: Boy himself, Josh Billmaker, Gary Nucomb to his right, Gary,
Speaker 1: how you been man? Excellent? Excellent? You got a lot
Speaker 1: to say on this podcast, you know, I can't wait.
Speaker 1: You gotta tear bubbling over. Good. Good to your right,
Speaker 1: Missy knucom great to see Misty. You know I've said
Speaker 1: a lot. I think I have about an average amount
Speaker 1: of think. Great to You're right. Isaac Neil, Assistant producer,
Speaker 1: Assistant to the producer of the Bear Grease podcast. Yes,
Speaker 1: great to have you, Thank you. I kind of missed
Speaker 1: the bootcut jeans and cowboy boots. Well, I was at
Speaker 1: you went full revers a lot. I was at a
Speaker 1: show all weekend and I had my my boot cut
Speaker 1: jeans and my cowboy boots on and down. I tell
Speaker 1: you how I got the cowboy boots assumed bottom. Did
Speaker 1: you my wonderful faking off of a corpse or something?
Speaker 1: My wonderful father, Chris Neil says, you want some cowboy boots?
Speaker 1: And I said, yes, I'd love some cowboy boots. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much, he said. My podiatrist said, I can't
Speaker 1: wear him anymore. I thought he was going to get
Speaker 1: him from the podiatrist like somebody couldn't context clues of
Speaker 1: doctor doctor anyway, So he gave me the boots. Right.
Speaker 1: I love the boots. I was standing on concrete all
Speaker 1: weekend at a trade show, and today I was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm tired. I'm going with my supportive tennis shoes short.
Speaker 1: But I did get this shirt from my dad as well,
Speaker 1: so it's all it's a great well looking good, looking good.
Speaker 1: And then to your right, Brent Raives, great to see, Brett,
Speaker 1: great to be seen. You're wearing a very nice pay
Speaker 1: overall today and a new pair of shoes. Bears and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Brent Reeves is wearing a powdered blue pair of trousers socks, yeah,
Speaker 1: with bears decorated. Does that bear have a fishness? What
Speaker 1: else would have? In the grizzlies? These are These are
Speaker 1: a present from Bailey, these socks. She gets me socks
Speaker 1: with I got socks with the hound dogs on them,
Speaker 1: with trout. You would appreciate them jobs, fish, bears, animals,
Speaker 1: so I like to wear them. Excellent. And who are
Speaker 1: you good? Who are you? My name is Clay Newcombe.
Speaker 1: I'm the host of the Beargrease podcast. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the text Durmy road show. But
Speaker 1: before that, I wanna wait through a few things. Brent
Speaker 1: tell me about your dog Tree and the other night
Speaker 1: whalen first cut out of the box, turning loose, he
Speaker 1: goes trees. I look on my garmen hundred fifty yards.
Speaker 1: I walked to the spot where he's at, and he
Speaker 1: still sounds like he's a quarter of a mile away.
Speaker 1: And we're hunting up in the woods where we found
Speaker 1: where you guys were at, where we coon hunted up
Speaker 1: with Michael. I get to the edge of the slough
Speaker 1: right here, Manu, it's flat ground all the way in there,
Speaker 1: so there's no heels, there's no there's not a hollow
Speaker 1: tree close, there's not a there. There's a slow right
Speaker 1: in front of me, but there's no beaver. Damn, there's nothing.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why I can't hear this dog. It
Speaker 1: shows him to be at this point twenty ft away.
Speaker 1: I walked twenty fre ft and I'm standing on this
Speaker 1: bare ground, flat bare ground in the river bottoms, and
Speaker 1: this dog sounds like he is a quarter of a
Speaker 1: mile away, just like I can't where's my dog? So
Speaker 1: I'm looking at micaels Michael, I can't find my dog.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at the garment and that thing is
Speaker 1: spinning around in circles like a Ceiland fan. I know
Speaker 1: I am right where this dog is at, or where
Speaker 1: the collar is at. And then I get to listen
Speaker 1: and he is barking under my feet. What under my feet?
Speaker 1: He is in the in the ground, and I think,
Speaker 1: somebody's gotta get a shovel. I gotta dig my dog.
Speaker 1: I walked I could see real quick. Yes, that sounds
Speaker 1: like the next Clean Uncome song. Somebody to get a shovel.
Speaker 1: I story could be. Uh. So I'm I'm twenty ft
Speaker 1: away from the edge of the slough and the water.
Speaker 1: I can see. It's not running water, it's standing water.
Speaker 1: But I can see the water moving. So I walked
Speaker 1: over to the edge and and laid down and looked
Speaker 1: under and there's a six inch gap between the top
Speaker 1: of the dirt and the water. You can see there
Speaker 1: is a beaver run, a beaver hole that goes up
Speaker 1: in this bank. And I get down there and I
Speaker 1: can hear it, and it sounds like whaling has got
Speaker 1: a paper towel tube and he's barking through it and
Speaker 1: barking out that hole. You know, that would be light
Speaker 1: in there, and I can't see anything. It's just water.
Speaker 1: So I called him and when he comes out, he
Speaker 1: looks like he's in a submarine periscope. All I can
Speaker 1: see is the top of his eyes and the rest
Speaker 1: of him is under water. At that point, he comes
Speaker 1: right out, swims out, and I grab him by the
Speaker 1: collar and pull him up, and I looked at Michael.
Speaker 1: Michael said, we're just gonna say he had the coon.
Speaker 1: I ain't going down there to check there. And from
Speaker 1: this how far in there was he? Uh fifteen yards?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, he was way back in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't like he was right on the
Speaker 1: edge of the bank. He was fifteen yards away from
Speaker 1: the edge of the water. No flashlight. He's a man,
Speaker 1: He's a good dog. Okay, So I've got I've got
Speaker 1: a little bit of a story bear nucman. I went
Speaker 1: this week to get ready for bear season, and we
Speaker 1: went and we took we took our mules to a
Speaker 1: piece of property where we bear hunt. You may have
Speaker 1: seen us have the mule the mule videos where we're
Speaker 1: hauling bait. And we took uh, we took Banjoe up
Speaker 1: there and right out of the shoot Banjo. Y'all seen
Speaker 1: me post some stuff about Banjo and he's not doing great.
Speaker 1: Clay and Banjo are in the strained era of their relationship.
Speaker 1: He's had a little bit of recidivism, hadn't he. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's kind of would you say that he's he's sort
Speaker 1: of the Josh spielm anchor, that he's the bad boy
Speaker 1: of the mule patre. But he so. My history with
Speaker 1: ban Joe is is that he started off really good.
Speaker 1: You do remember, though, that there was one episode of
Speaker 1: the Burgrea Surrender that I titled Kicked by a Mule
Speaker 1: because he kicked me when he walked out. That's a
Speaker 1: strike against an animal if it ever reaches out and
Speaker 1: kicked it. That's like getting bit by a dog. It's
Speaker 1: like way to you know, usually don't give him too
Speaker 1: many more chances than that. But because he was it
Speaker 1: was kind of my fault. I kind of scared me.
Speaker 1: Wasn't like trying to hurt me. You know, he got
Speaker 1: a pass. He kicked me right in the thigh. Well.
Speaker 1: I started riding him in January and he was doing
Speaker 1: really great. First time I wrote him, just just wrote
Speaker 1: him around the round pen. Usually start riding them in
Speaker 1: a round pen just as it contained controllable environment. And
Speaker 1: I had packed on him. I had done all the
Speaker 1: there's there's multiple training exercises that you do to basically
Speaker 1: train a mule. Well, I got over just over zealous
Speaker 1: with how good he was doing. And so one day
Speaker 1: back in the spring, I just to just I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna write him out in our small pasture out here.
Speaker 1: And he was doing fine, everything was okay, and then
Speaker 1: I went under a tree and the limbs of the
Speaker 1: tree raked against my hat and made just kind of
Speaker 1: a scratching noise. Josh, it would probably be like your mustache,
Speaker 1: like scratching up against some microphone is what it sounded like.
Speaker 1: And so Banjo it spooks him. He runs, He makes
Speaker 1: like a like just a quick run, and when he does,
Speaker 1: I kind of tightened out on the saddle, just trying
Speaker 1: to stay on. And when I do, I think that
Speaker 1: spooks him, and he bucks twice real big. I mean,
Speaker 1: I couldn't sit, And when you're in the saddle, it
Speaker 1: feels like a giant like you know, rodeo buck. It
Speaker 1: probably was. And uh, but he bucked hard twice and
Speaker 1: I flew off the front. He bucked mouth, No big deal.
Speaker 1: I actually got back up on him and wrote him
Speaker 1: right then, just to let him know everything was okay.
Speaker 1: But since that time he has been ultra spooky about
Speaker 1: almost everything. So I started riding him in the round
Speaker 1: pen again and still doing all my normal exercises, my lunging,
Speaker 1: my I don't really even know what to call it,
Speaker 1: but there's like five This is not clay with his
Speaker 1: hands over his head, bending at the knees, not those
Speaker 1: kind of lunches. That's right, it's right. I was upright
Speaker 1: on top of its back doing some sort of horseback
Speaker 1: gymnastics would so anyway, Misty saw that one Misty and
Speaker 1: my nephew were in the garden when that happened. And
Speaker 1: then two or three weeks later, after i'd worked him
Speaker 1: a couple of times and ridden him a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, we're over him getting spooky. Um,
Speaker 1: we're over him getting spooky. We're good. I was riding
Speaker 1: him and I had ridden him for thirty or forty
Speaker 1: minutes in the round pen, and just all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he just got spooked, unprovoked, spooked is what it felt like.
Speaker 1: And he bucked two times and I flew off the
Speaker 1: exact same way. So he drops his head and spends
Speaker 1: hard right and I keep going left and uh, but
Speaker 1: the second time I landed on my feet. Yeah, money,
Speaker 1: that was money Hawki Henson's technique. And he was a
Speaker 1: saddle bront rider man could ride the hair off of
Speaker 1: winged pegasus. And when he got and when he come
Speaker 1: off of that bronc, it was nine miles in the
Speaker 1: air and he landed on his feet and walked off
Speaker 1: like a stud that he was. Yeah, fact check that.
Speaker 1: What's his name, Mony Hulki. Okay, So so now I'm
Speaker 1: scared of Banjo, just to be if I'm being honest
Speaker 1: like and and he is hyper's he's hyper aware of
Speaker 1: me now when I'm around him, when I put stuff
Speaker 1: on his back, and I've only got on him a
Speaker 1: couple of times. And I've actually sent an inquiry out
Speaker 1: to my friend Thy Evans t s Mules on Instagram,
Speaker 1: who's a master muleman, and um, he's supposed to answer
Speaker 1: my question on his podcast. I said, basically, I had
Speaker 1: a young bull that was doing good rolling. Multiple times,
Speaker 1: everything was okay, buck me off. The second time he
Speaker 1: bucked me off. He's gotten much spooky, and I think
Speaker 1: I know the answer of what to do is you
Speaker 1: just gotta keep doing the same thing. But so we
Speaker 1: take Banjo two the land to haul all our materials up.
Speaker 1: Because I am building this story has some complexity in it.
Speaker 1: I'm building pit blind for black bears. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna say about that. Decoys roll top like
Speaker 1: a rice field. You're speaking my language. Now, Well, we
Speaker 1: have to hand big it, and so I had to
Speaker 1: bring I had to bring a bunch of stuff. So
Speaker 1: I was gonna use Banjo as our pack animal, which
Speaker 1: I did Banjo. I get Banjo all packed up, I
Speaker 1: get is he saddled up. Bears gonna lead Banjo and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ride. And as soon as Bear untiesed Banjo
Speaker 1: from the tree, I said, Bear, whatever happens to that mule.
Speaker 1: I just had a feeling just by the way he
Speaker 1: was acting that he was gonna act up. I said,
Speaker 1: whatever happens, just hold onto him. You're not on his back,
Speaker 1: so he's not gonna hurt you. Just hold onto him. Well,
Speaker 1: the second I get on Izzy and ride off a
Speaker 1: little bank kind of towards him, Banjo get spooked and
Speaker 1: just throws a bucking fit. Nobody's on his back. I'm
Speaker 1: on Izzy, but he, for comfort is running towards Izzy,
Speaker 1: and so I'm I'm trying to take Izzy away. And
Speaker 1: I started like trotting down the road to just kind
Speaker 1: of get away from him, just let him buck it out,
Speaker 1: and then I was gonna catch him. Well, he he's
Speaker 1: just like right up on me, and is he just bucking?
Speaker 1: And I mean and and I'm I'm confident that Izzy's
Speaker 1: gonna get spooked and buck me off, which she's never done.
Speaker 1: And anyway, finally the darn thing bucks and just throws
Speaker 1: a fit and probably five or six big bucks, you know.
Speaker 1: And then finally he was like he quits, and he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm free, and Bear dropped the lead way to call
Speaker 1: him out. I don't think you should call your kids
Speaker 1: out on the nationally. I'm sorry. I just wish you
Speaker 1: to hell, that's all. I'm not mad at him anymore.
Speaker 1: And the mule just ben Joe has my steel chainsaw
Speaker 1: and the steal. He's got a pick axe and shovel
Speaker 1: and he's got all my stuff on him and he
Speaker 1: just takes off a running down this road and we're
Speaker 1: way out in the middle of whether we're at the truck.
Speaker 1: He's going just were he's going. Wherever he's going, I
Speaker 1: don't know. And so it's always a touch and go
Speaker 1: thing when a mule takes off, because if you chase it,
Speaker 1: they'll just keep running. But if you don't go after him,
Speaker 1: then you keep keep running too. So Baron Knucam, though,
Speaker 1: this is where I'll regain Bear's dignity inside of this.
Speaker 1: That boy never gets He never missed a lick like
Speaker 1: his facial expression never changed, his demeanor never changed, the
Speaker 1: energy coming out of his body never changed mine. Did
Speaker 1: I get worked up? I mean, I was like, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't cuss, but like most people probably would have
Speaker 1: would have been a good time to do it. But
Speaker 1: I mean I was just like you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was being real intense, and Bair just never never
Speaker 1: made made a move in anyway. Bard takes after the mule,
Speaker 1: and about ten minutes later I see him walking back
Speaker 1: with banjo and then we go up on up on
Speaker 1: to where we're going, and maybe you should have him
Speaker 1: line for maybe you should have him ride banjo. So
Speaker 1: much happening in this story. I feel like I don't
Speaker 1: know much about mule training and have it paid as
Speaker 1: much attention outside of just filming videos. But I'm hearing
Speaker 1: a lot Clay that I think Tie Evans or not
Speaker 1: I could work with you on all right. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just Bear being able to get ban Joe not
Speaker 1: sending a lot of loose energy. Um, you thinking that
Speaker 1: you weren't mad at Bear, that you weren't happy with
Speaker 1: them either. I can assure you bare new exactly where
Speaker 1: your emotions were at in that moment. I think I
Speaker 1: think there's some things here. Also, I question whether or
Speaker 1: not you felt. I really do. When people have traumatic
Speaker 1: experiences like Rex or they always think they remember things
Speaker 1: exactly how it happened, and they almost never do. Your
Speaker 1: memory placed tricks on you in my right bridge in
Speaker 1: those kind of moments. Well you saw it both times.
Speaker 1: Well I'm more heard and turned so I saw it
Speaker 1: when you were on your Yeah, I heard, I saw
Speaker 1: like yeah, I think the mule is reading your emotions
Speaker 1: and reacting. I just thought of that when I know what, Mr.
Speaker 1: I'm not so calm before that, right, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're all real calm when our kids are
Speaker 1: being behaving like perfect angels. Do they have a mule
Speaker 1: barn sale around here anyway? There? But he said at last,
Speaker 1: I was waiting for Good to say, it's just no
Speaker 1: question I want monkey with that mule. Well, I I
Speaker 1: think you just have problems with mules. I've got years
Speaker 1: in best in this mule. I've had it since it
Speaker 1: was weaned, and I think it'll be fine. I agree.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're getting rid of the mule for
Speaker 1: being a little jumpy. I think that I think really
Speaker 1: if if if he just keeps stacking up excess, then yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that let's let's try the mule handler first, Like,
Speaker 1: let's go that angle, Let's let's get some emotional discipline.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm being a little bit facetious because I
Speaker 1: know you're not out of control with your mules. You're
Speaker 1: real restraint. But I think if if you're real restraint
Speaker 1: in your actions, like you don't take action. But I
Speaker 1: do think those mules have a crazy ability to read
Speaker 1: to read people. And so even if you're being really
Speaker 1: self controlled, they can read if you're the way. The
Speaker 1: way that I've heard it described and and and I've
Speaker 1: used some of my words to describe it is that
Speaker 1: a mule does not have a complex vocabulary in language,
Speaker 1: in terms of words, I mean literally they have. They
Speaker 1: have just a few verbal noises that they make that
Speaker 1: do communicate with other things. What they do absolutely communicate
Speaker 1: with all the time is facial expression, posture, ears, eyes, mouth, knows.
Speaker 1: They literally communicate with like the furrow of a brow,
Speaker 1: the angle of an ear. And the other thing they
Speaker 1: communicate with is there was their feet, I mean banjo
Speaker 1: and is he every single day I watched them kick
Speaker 1: each other. I mean like they communicate with that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you're speaking a different language when you're around them and
Speaker 1: in that. And that's what natural horsemanship. And these guys
Speaker 1: are real good at it. Are are are are good
Speaker 1: at doing is is putting out the right frequency. It's
Speaker 1: sound like voodoo, but man, it is science. I'm always
Speaker 1: amazed at how much a mule, even any equan animal
Speaker 1: or a dog can pick up on fear or intimidation.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, my dogs are big goofy have two
Speaker 1: Great Danes, big goofy, docile dogs that just want to
Speaker 1: play all the time. If they see someone who's intimidated
Speaker 1: by them, they want to bark at them, but they
Speaker 1: won't bark at anybody else. I mean, a two year
Speaker 1: old will come by and they'll just bound over there
Speaker 1: and lick them. But a six ft six big old
Speaker 1: dude walks by and turns like this and looks at them.
Speaker 1: They're gonna Yeah, it's amazing. It's like Clay's turkeys that
Speaker 1: were discriminatory against anything they perceived as weak. They would
Speaker 1: they would attack any anything they perceived as week. Either
Speaker 1: someone that had a disability in terms of like a
Speaker 1: visible disability where they couldn't walk straight, they would go
Speaker 1: attack that personally. Yes, elderly people, young children, often women.
Speaker 1: Like a classic bigot. If you're going to be a bullet,
Speaker 1: you can win. I'm wondering if if Banjo is a
Speaker 1: listener of the podcast, a consumer of media, and has
Speaker 1: maybe picked up on this agenda you've been pushing where
Speaker 1: you're like, your mule doesn't like you, it doesn't have
Speaker 1: the capacity to love, and Banjo is just I'll show you.
Speaker 1: You know you hurt me, I'm gonna hurt you back. Yeah, emotional.
Speaker 1: I thought we had something going and then you're out
Speaker 1: here telling people mules can't love. You know, it's all
Speaker 1: about space sorsmanship a book that I read that I
Speaker 1: read years ago before I was even training equin animals
Speaker 1: talks about a paradigm shift inside of training. Primarily horses
Speaker 1: is what the book talks about, but mules too, where
Speaker 1: this idea that that a that a horse likes you
Speaker 1: or doesn't like you, or that a horse does this
Speaker 1: thing because it wants to get back at you for you,
Speaker 1: you know, like not giving enough grain yesterday. Like basically,
Speaker 1: these guys, it was, Oh, it's complete anthropomorphization as a
Speaker 1: big old word, and you want to define relevant and
Speaker 1: then I think you need to traits on two animals.
Speaker 1: That's right, thank you? Yeah? Yeah. And and basically the
Speaker 1: two guys that wrote it, I can't remember their names.
Speaker 1: Basically one of them was a neuroscientist and the other
Speaker 1: one was a real good horse trainer and um and
Speaker 1: basically the neuroscience guy, which I loved. I still would
Speaker 1: like to have him on the podcast. He was like,
Speaker 1: a horse does not have a place and its brain
Speaker 1: to love you, but what about in its heart? And
Speaker 1: a doctor knows nothing about heart? What about trigger? And
Speaker 1: silver Man? Yeah no kidding? Is that Roy Rogers? I
Speaker 1: mean those the animals love those guys. Yeah. It is
Speaker 1: actually hard because we had a we had a mule
Speaker 1: and what was her name. The very first one was
Speaker 1: at mabel Um Ellie May, and we had a horse, Ruth,
Speaker 1: and Ruth left for a while and and wasn't there,
Speaker 1: and Ellie May was so needy. I would walk out
Speaker 1: and Ellie May would not pay me the time of day.
Speaker 1: I go on walks by where the mules are, and
Speaker 1: I would walk out there every single morning, walk out
Speaker 1: there with the dogs. They would they would walk with me.
Speaker 1: The mule would just stay off to the side. When
Speaker 1: the horse left town. I would walk out there and
Speaker 1: she would come greet me every morning and winning at
Speaker 1: me every single day. I just I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: that's a class like you've anthromorphized these animals because you
Speaker 1: you feel like she's like emotionally lonely. They're hurt animals,
Speaker 1: so they want they have a deep, deep desire to
Speaker 1: be with another animal. I'm just saying. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like emotions winning. I mean, I don't know, maybe I
Speaker 1: know more about this topic than you. Yeah, maybe so.
Speaker 1: Capital Well, um, let's talk about this. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: this podcast. What what was your What was your favorite part, Isaac.
Speaker 1: I think it was the lady who just like had
Speaker 1: all the information dialed in on the mounts just like
Speaker 1: that six. It's like yeah, dad, gum. Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's one s one seventy and she's like, no, it's
Speaker 1: one seventy six. I think I think Mr Bonne and
Speaker 1: Crockett try one seventy six in a broader sense, Like
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the whole thing. I enjoyed we can get
Speaker 1: to the funeral procession. That was a really interesting thing
Speaker 1: for me. We almost took that out. By the way,
Speaker 1: if you want to behind the veil see how the
Speaker 1: sausage is made. Um. But I think what's really powerful
Speaker 1: about this piece is like it as soon as you
Speaker 1: startle listening, it takes you to all the places in
Speaker 1: your childhood and growing up, in the places in your
Speaker 1: hometown where you're like, yep, yep, that place is gone,
Speaker 1: this place is shut down. So interesting. So that's for me.
Speaker 1: You were thinking about the places you remember with Texas
Speaker 1: may whatnot? Absolutely? Yeah. Sandra Barrett at Dune Lap Storey, Kirby,
Speaker 1: Arkansas was really something. It was a lot of fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wish I mean, if she was close, I would
Speaker 1: have been like, hey, come beyond the burger surrender. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't pull it out of my head. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you said it on the podcast, But how
Speaker 1: many of the stops were planned and how many were good?
Speaker 1: That's a great question. So we I think we decided
Speaker 1: we made fifteen stops and they were totally they were
Speaker 1: not random stops. Sure well okay, and the plan stops
Speaker 1: were like three okay, like three of fifteen were like
Speaker 1: I had an appointment with Clifton Ward, and I had
Speaker 1: an appointment with Sandra Barratt. Yeah. Uh, maybe just two.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's all I had was to that coming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so but it wasn't just a random sampling of
Speaker 1: fifteen gas stations, like we were looking for country gas stations.
Speaker 1: We were looking for places that like towns that we
Speaker 1: felt like might have deer heads. But the one Brady
Speaker 1: Mountain one stop there north of well whatever direction from
Speaker 1: Crystal Springs, east of Crystal Springs, we literally coasted in
Speaker 1: there after our vehicle said zero miles left on fuel.
Speaker 1: We were going down the road and he had the
Speaker 1: nearest gas station, which was that spot in the GPS
Speaker 1: or I did, and he was like, all right, Uh,
Speaker 1: the spilometer says we've got two miles of fuel left?
Speaker 1: How far is that? And I'm like, well, it says
Speaker 1: here seventeen across your fingers. Actually it was like we
Speaker 1: were like three quarters of a mile passed beyond what
Speaker 1: the capacity at the car said. And finally the cars
Speaker 1: z rode out and we've got it insight and we
Speaker 1: just slid right up to the gas And so that
Speaker 1: place totally was just random. And we went in there
Speaker 1: and that's where there was a big mule there we were.
Speaker 1: It was meant to be. Man, there was a wood duck.
Speaker 1: There was as a general rule about non native species
Speaker 1: in gas stations. I can't talk negatively about it. It
Speaker 1: was still for it. I mean personally, when I see that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, but there's it's it's something different when I
Speaker 1: see a white tail or something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: What didn't make the cut was there was a jackal
Speaker 1: open there. Ah, So we we did we we did
Speaker 1: a little bit on the jack Where's where's the line is?
Speaker 1: No one's standard? People do not. I think we need
Speaker 1: to know what a jack loop. That's another song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody knows what a jackalope. It's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: a form of non standard taxidermy. Yeah, where they take
Speaker 1: a rabbit, They mount a rabbit and put deer horns
Speaker 1: on a rabbit, usually really brilliant, like a rag horn
Speaker 1: or actually something like that. Childhood jack a lope is
Speaker 1: a jack rabbit with antelope antlers? Really is that a
Speaker 1: brand name? Should we be? Are we gonna see somebody
Speaker 1: for using the jackal deer horns on it? Well? How
Speaker 1: many antalope do you see around southwest ar I mean,
Speaker 1: we'd still call it a jackalope, I think so. But
Speaker 1: the actual jackalope is antelope antlers on a jackel. Like
Speaker 1: there's something with cotton tail, white tail there something. I
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit like a generic brand, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it's it's just a little like eat that place.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that place had a big, nice set of
Speaker 1: dark dark hundred big like kind of a non typical
Speaker 1: like mule deer. But it was just skull. It was
Speaker 1: just a skull plate, you know. I bet I bet
Speaker 1: nobody has spoken of that mule deer in fifteen years. Well,
Speaker 1: it'd be nice, it'd be interesting to interview the owner. Uh,
Speaker 1: And we didn't. We didn't meet him. We just walked
Speaker 1: in there and there it was and then so your
Speaker 1: question was how many scripted stocks really just too then
Speaker 1: there were fifteen other ones, and I was pretty pleased
Speaker 1: with the amount of deer horns that we saw on
Speaker 1: our trip, though it wasn't like a random sampling. The
Speaker 1: taxi dary representation of south southwest Arkansas southeast Oklahoma. Was
Speaker 1: that first place you stopped the smokehouse? Was that a
Speaker 1: gas station? Like a restaurant, like we just wanted some
Speaker 1: beef jerking semen roles? So I remember as a who
Speaker 1: doesn't it reminded me of going to this country family
Speaker 1: restaurant when I was a kid, just chalked full of
Speaker 1: dusty old taxidermy all, you know, mangy looking that it.
Speaker 1: It immediately took me back there as a kid. Brent,
Speaker 1: what was your favorite part of the road trip, Miss Sandra?
Speaker 1: You know you talked about seeing her, talking about the
Speaker 1: deer heads and the deer heads, and you think about
Speaker 1: all the places that you grew up and saw. Miss
Speaker 1: Andrew took me back to the people. You know, there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of folks like her or not. I
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of folks like her anymore. I mean,
Speaker 1: she has been a staple at that one place for
Speaker 1: the majority of her life. She knew if you called it,
Speaker 1: if people listening heard that she was telling clay deer stories.
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, guy walks in and she
Speaker 1: stops mid citizens says, hello, Billy done. No, us, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to bring her home with me. And she's
Speaker 1: just a genuine a good person, a genuine person, and
Speaker 1: she she had so much value in those deer heads
Speaker 1: up there that there's probably people walking in out of
Speaker 1: that store that if you ask them, they've probably been
Speaker 1: in there a million times, some of them. What do
Speaker 1: you think about all those deer heads and dunlap store?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what, dear heads? People are so focused now,
Speaker 1: get in, get what you need, get out, and get gone.
Speaker 1: I could have stayed there all day and listen to
Speaker 1: her talk about the different things on the front of
Speaker 1: that and I made a little mention of it. There
Speaker 1: was on the front of the cash restor was a
Speaker 1: pictures from old pictures, new pictures of kids, grown ups,
Speaker 1: folks that were you know, graduation pictures and engagement announcement
Speaker 1: And I asked her, us, I said, these are not
Speaker 1: all families, Oh no, this is just part of our
Speaker 1: community here. We're all family, and it was just it
Speaker 1: was so cool because I grew up in a place
Speaker 1: like I made mention that that her stories were rivaling
Speaker 1: any of those ever told on The Burgers podcast. Um,
Speaker 1: what do you call it? When someone gets there? There's
Speaker 1: a term for athletes that like get in the zone
Speaker 1: and they're they're they're just like almost operating at like
Speaker 1: a supernatural level. What do you call like free flow
Speaker 1: or in the work flow? Okay that means okay. So
Speaker 1: miss Sandra when she started telling the story towards the end,
Speaker 1: she it was like she was in the she was
Speaker 1: in the flow and her her voice picked up the
Speaker 1: pace and she was like and then there she was.
Speaker 1: And then I was coming through there and I said, oh, well,
Speaker 1: spank you. But she was great, but she really got
Speaker 1: fired up, like she would talk to you just like
Speaker 1: real normal, just like, yes, this is don Kelsey killed
Speaker 1: this one. And then but then by the time the end,
Speaker 1: she was like just like she was just ripping on
Speaker 1: the stories and we couldn't include them off. She told
Speaker 1: us I think every single story that and a couple
Speaker 1: of them she didn't know the full story, but she
Speaker 1: knew all the details that were owned, like that there
Speaker 1: came from this place and this man and it's been
Speaker 1: here for this long. There were ten deer so you
Speaker 1: guys only heard like three stories. But yeah, she was
Speaker 1: a super sweet lady. And I just like cold called
Speaker 1: her and one and you know, just said, hey, this
Speaker 1: is who I am, this is what I'm doing. You know,
Speaker 1: she didn't know anything, and I just and and it's
Speaker 1: hard to describe to someone on the phone in a
Speaker 1: gas station, Like gas station conversations on the telephone are
Speaker 1: not long. It's just like hello, Dunlap store. You know.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're gonna sit there. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: there's people coming in and out. Yeah yea. And so
Speaker 1: here I am trying to say, like, hey, we would
Speaker 1: like to come to your store and interview you about
Speaker 1: your dear heads like I could. And she was real sweet,
Speaker 1: but I could tell you she was like these guys
Speaker 1: are weird. Yeah, And I was like, okay, well, we'll
Speaker 1: be there tomorrow about ten o'clock and um and you know,
Speaker 1: brand will be wearing her overalls with the John Deer cap. Uh.
Speaker 1: You'll know who we are when you says no. She
Speaker 1: was She was real nice. But that that was neat
Speaker 1: and then uh, Clifton Ward. Clifton Ward was a neat
Speaker 1: old guy. Had he had just he had that whole
Speaker 1: gas station covered in deer. And the biggest coincidence of
Speaker 1: the whole thing was we were in there talking to
Speaker 1: Clifton Ward and the man who told me about the
Speaker 1: Clifton Ward was Rusty Johnson, who lives in Northwest Arkansas,
Speaker 1: which is four hours from there. Rusty Johnson's dad lives
Speaker 1: in Texas, Canada, which is hours from from Dirk's. We're
Speaker 1: in there talking to Clifton Ward, who I've never met
Speaker 1: before but new through the Johnson's, and Jack Johnson walks up.
Speaker 1: Jack Johnson is a Boon and Crockett score. I had
Speaker 1: just asked the man, you know, we just guessed on
Speaker 1: the score. Jack Johnson goes Clay. You can hear him
Speaker 1: go Clay, And I turned around, like Jack and anyway,
Speaker 1: he was like just passing through. I mean, it's anyway
Speaker 1: Rusty's dad. I mean I just said that, Yeah, Rusty's
Speaker 1: dad was Jack Johnson. But um, Josh, anything stand out
Speaker 1: to you? Well? Coincidence enough. Today I was listening to
Speaker 1: this podcast again and right before I get to the
Speaker 1: part where Brent talks about the funeral procession. I see
Speaker 1: the first funeral procession I've seen in two years right
Speaker 1: in front of me. The officers lights are on. I
Speaker 1: look up and I thought, oh, I better stop. Before
Speaker 1: I realized, I thought it was just an officer coming
Speaker 1: down the road, and I realized it's a it's a
Speaker 1: funeral procession. I've ripped my hat off and pull over. That.
Speaker 1: Would you have known to do that before? I didn't.
Speaker 1: I never thought about taking my hat off when I
Speaker 1: was really disappointed. Who is your dad? He didn't teach
Speaker 1: you that? Come on, man? Well? Yeah, so I thought
Speaker 1: that was a nice little tip bit thrown in there. Okay,
Speaker 1: I was like, what it's like, it's like a little
Speaker 1: p s A right in the middle of the podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. I wanted. I wanted the podcast to feel
Speaker 1: like a road trip, you know. That was the soundscapes
Speaker 1: of the podcast. We are a nice change, like I
Speaker 1: can hear the squeak of a door opening in the
Speaker 1: bell ring when you go into like all those like
Speaker 1: the atmosphere we try to create in here. How long?
Speaker 1: How long? How long was that road trip? What left?
Speaker 1: I was in Alma by seven o'clock. So I left
Speaker 1: here about six o'clock in the morning and I got
Speaker 1: home about nine o'clock at night, and we pretty much
Speaker 1: drove the whole time, and I picked up Brent Alma,
Speaker 1: and then we went from Alma to Crystal Springs, Two Sunshine,
Speaker 1: Kirby Derek's, Hayworth O, Oklahoma, Antlers Moyles, Oklahoma, and then
Speaker 1: back up through Fort Smith and then back to northwest
Speaker 1: Arkansas and Brent went, are you kind of like a
Speaker 1: gold digger? I don't know what the rat word would baby?
Speaker 1: It looked like Brent fund to the whole project. Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who Yeah, Brett brought me bought me a few drinks. Um,
Speaker 1: you have to I'm not sure how that happened. Um
Speaker 1: what what? What? All convenience store items were consumed on
Speaker 1: this trip. Um? Well, by far the best and it
Speaker 1: wasn't convenient store we're coming from Burrows was that there
Speaker 1: was a centinar roll and we put pictures on Instagram,
Speaker 1: but as big as a cow patty and we had.
Speaker 1: He gave us two and we we eat one all day.
Speaker 1: It took us all day to eat one. And then
Speaker 1: at the end of the trip we cut the other
Speaker 1: in half and he brought some home and I took
Speaker 1: some home. We're still eating on it. They had some
Speaker 1: some beef jerkey that was crazy good. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that's that was good. And then we had a Bologney
Speaker 1: sandwich at Sanders. I don't know what paid for. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Finally that was the meal lip sandwich from Yeah, that
Speaker 1: didn't make the cut. We we gave a wildly exciting
Speaker 1: audio version of a Bologny sandwich being made, somehow didn't
Speaker 1: make play by play. You know. It was cool about
Speaker 1: that store at Dunlap store. When uh, when Alexa, when
Speaker 1: Alexas saw the video that you put on Instagram, but
Speaker 1: she said, I recognize that store. I've been there. I
Speaker 1: thought you have been in Dunlap store. Yes. Her grandfather, A. T.
Speaker 1: Oliver was a Church of Christ preacher in southwest Arkansas,
Speaker 1: and he in Murphysboro and he loved stopping in that
Speaker 1: store and getting that hand dipped ice cream. And she
Speaker 1: talked about and they had his funeral. The whole family
Speaker 1: goes down there, so there was three van loads of
Speaker 1: and to honor him. On the way back, they all
Speaker 1: stopped there and building that store and got some hand
Speaker 1: up tasks. I've been in that store. That's pretty cool. Dad.
Speaker 1: What was your favorite part? You know, I just enjoyed
Speaker 1: the relaxed nature of the whole thing. It brought back
Speaker 1: a lot of memories about Mr Petty's where I lived
Speaker 1: in Hot Springs. You could go too blocks in any
Speaker 1: direction and there would be a little store. You know,
Speaker 1: they have deer heads in it, but you know, and
Speaker 1: then as I got older, I said, convenience stores have
Speaker 1: come in and these things disappear. So as you, as
Speaker 1: you look, I enjoyed mistis uh social capital deal? And
Speaker 1: I can think of what what has replaced this? Because
Speaker 1: something is replaced that this part in a community, the
Speaker 1: old store and coffee shops is about all I could.
Speaker 1: You know, you got church, you got civic clubs, You've
Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff going on. It bring people together,
Speaker 1: You've got rage. You've got all kinds of stuff going
Speaker 1: on that pull communities together, and a lot of times
Speaker 1: chamber of commerce as hell. But in my little small town,
Speaker 1: the coffee shops are a big deal. You know, you'll
Speaker 1: walk in a coffee shop and there might be ten
Speaker 1: guys sitting around. Do you sit down there and drink coffee? No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I go in occasionally and just see see
Speaker 1: these guys, But I don't, you know, I'm too busy.
Speaker 1: What are you doing. I'm just I'm just a dead
Speaker 1: beat man and I've come really good at I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what really disappointed me. I mean, I just couldn't
Speaker 1: believe two guys, if y'all stature, would walk into a store,
Speaker 1: a station that didn't have uh any taxidermists at all,
Speaker 1: and not harass them a little bit. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean I could see that. As humorous as you guys
Speaker 1: can be. I think we should have confer. Don't know,
Speaker 1: I think so, man. I mean, little story here, but
Speaker 1: where's your dead come dear heads? Paper out of the bathroom?
Speaker 1: We did a little braffiti on one of them. We
Speaker 1: didn't put that on there. We went in the back
Speaker 1: and spray painted stuff. I'm just kidding. That's a good
Speaker 1: I take that criticism. Yeah, we should have confirmed. We
Speaker 1: just walked out of there like a couple of little uh.
Speaker 1: We were eager to get to the next spot. The
Speaker 1: toilet paper steal in the toilet paper made me think
Speaker 1: that's no yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, uh an issue that
Speaker 1: wasn't brought up on here, and I felt like was
Speaker 1: could have played an integral part in this conversation, especially
Speaker 1: with Mr Shreeve. Is uh bathrooms? That was like the
Speaker 1: number one thing my mom talked about with gas stations,
Speaker 1: crowing up like does that place look like it has
Speaker 1: a clean bathroom or not? Oh? Right, like in in
Speaker 1: in the idea of trying to get people to stop
Speaker 1: at your store, right, yeah, just like that was that
Speaker 1: was item number one. You also roads clean bathrooms, yeah, Mom,
Speaker 1: improved bathrooms. You might find an inverse correlation, which means
Speaker 1: cleanliness of the bathroom goes up, taxidermy goes down. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but that's my gut feeling. I know
Speaker 1: it's an unpopular opinion. If you go to a place
Speaker 1: and need to use the restroom, do you have to
Speaker 1: buy something? Oh? A lot of people mandate it, like
Speaker 1: bathroom to paining customers only, stuff like that. I just
Speaker 1: feel this internal compulsion to do it. I'll like go
Speaker 1: buy a bottle of water or something. Yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a mortal thing. I don't think
Speaker 1: i'm superior. I'm just I'm trying to put it out
Speaker 1: there and see people's feelings, thoughts. It's like to contribute,
Speaker 1: to be a financial The reason I brought it up
Speaker 1: into that one gas station, no taxidermy, you didn't want
Speaker 1: to feel bad. You bought a sprite you didn't want
Speaker 1: We did it primarily because we walked in there and
Speaker 1: they were like eight people behind the counter watching us.
Speaker 1: We may have been the first customers that day. So
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a link between customers in rural
Speaker 1: communities and deer heads. You can you do a follow
Speaker 1: up episode where you go back and you're like, we're
Speaker 1: here to help you out. We've got a trunk full
Speaker 1: of taxidermy. Let's throw it up for a week, see
Speaker 1: what happens. That's a good idea. We could fill our
Speaker 1: vehicle up with taxes army and go around and see
Speaker 1: if people would let us hang. Yeah, man, I can't
Speaker 1: help that actually makes my stomach tightened just a little bit.
Speaker 1: It was a little It was a bit of a
Speaker 1: stretch time or two going in these gas stations, just
Speaker 1: cold turkey, like asking them about stuff. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not it seems like, well, yeah, Clay, you would have
Speaker 1: been comfortable talking. No, I wouldn't have been had it's
Speaker 1: a sign of the times. And I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is, but maybe it's the fast paced life or
Speaker 1: the disconnected people have. But you don't you don't walk
Speaker 1: into a store like like miss Sanders's store, and we
Speaker 1: didn't walk into a store. I don't think that anybody
Speaker 1: was rude. Most of people were welcoming. Can I help you?
Speaker 1: You know? But you get a general feel and when
Speaker 1: somebody is actually glad to see you and know that
Speaker 1: you're coming in. And we got to them like that
Speaker 1: one place in Oklahoma. The ladies were working there in
Speaker 1: that little store with the two stores together that had
Speaker 1: no idea about any of the deer Is Hanks exactly.
Speaker 1: They were like, hey, y'all, come on here and welcome
Speaker 1: to get you. And we started talking about dear heads.
Speaker 1: And they looked at each other like cash looking at
Speaker 1: a new gate. They're like, what are these folks doing?
Speaker 1: But once they figured out what we were doing, many
Speaker 1: all they could do to help us. Yeah, Yeah, they were.
Speaker 1: They were pretty. They were really so a lot of
Speaker 1: places they weren't. They didn't slow down when we figured
Speaker 1: out what Yeah, and that's why I think that's what
Speaker 1: makes it, what makes it different that you us to
Speaker 1: folks like her, those two ladies and Miss Sandra and
Speaker 1: allthough the folks that we saw there. That was nearly
Speaker 1: every place you would go, and now we talk about
Speaker 1: it because it's not it's well different. When you're talking
Speaker 1: about Miss Sandra and the pictures up on the register, right,
Speaker 1: it made me think, like, that's social media, pre social media, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm not here to like just uh talk bad
Speaker 1: about social media. I think there's a lot of good
Speaker 1: and positive and upside potential to it. But it is
Speaker 1: a force that, uh can silo us, make us not
Speaker 1: as connected, make us want to say things that are
Speaker 1: mean spirited or whatever because there's no in person repercussion
Speaker 1: sort of tears the fabric of some of our community.
Speaker 1: But when you go to the gas station and you
Speaker 1: see the pictures and you're interacting with people face to face,
Speaker 1: it builds those things. That is that in that vein
Speaker 1: of social capital that you're talking about, or is that
Speaker 1: uh not rel it at all? No, I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's in the in that vein, And I
Speaker 1: think what Brent's talking about. You know, you don't want
Speaker 1: to be too nostalgic about the past, because the past
Speaker 1: had stuff in it that you know, whenever you talk
Speaker 1: about a place of connection, a place of community, the
Speaker 1: next question is always for who was everyone in the
Speaker 1: community really allowed in that space. So in some ways
Speaker 1: there have been improvements, but overall there has been a
Speaker 1: generational shift across races, across different cultures particular, and and
Speaker 1: this is a North American thing. Most of the research
Speaker 1: that we've seen is North American, but a generational shift.
Speaker 1: And all the things that Gary just named parades, church,
Speaker 1: church membership, civil civic organization membership, and and even when
Speaker 1: they're still membership, people are replacing. For example, I was
Speaker 1: reading this week about people are essentially replacing doing four
Speaker 1: and doing with doing on behalf of or doing with
Speaker 1: with doing on behalf of. Well, so like people are
Speaker 1: still involved, I mean the US. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you'll ever read Topefield, but when he came to the
Speaker 1: U S it was this is like in the I
Speaker 1: mean centuries ago. One of the things that stood out
Speaker 1: about the US was its civic participation and how how
Speaker 1: rich community life was today. Even with the US when
Speaker 1: with our civic participation dying, we're still more engaged in
Speaker 1: our communities and in volunteers than a lot of other countries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so all the research that we're looking at is that
Speaker 1: I've I've been looking at is in the US. But
Speaker 1: even when people are people, so people stay engaged in
Speaker 1: like volunteer organizations like the Lions Club, the House club,
Speaker 1: um or family you know, community traditions, but a lot
Speaker 1: of times they'll give a donation instead of going and
Speaker 1: doing and so. And that's that doesn't get you the
Speaker 1: same thing. That doesn't get you the same social benefits.
Speaker 1: You know, we all have that need to socialize with
Speaker 1: each other, and we're going to find it. We don't
Speaker 1: have to have that little we don't have to have
Speaker 1: done lap store work. I'm gonna seek it out. Now,
Speaker 1: certain people aren't quite as apt as others to find
Speaker 1: that socialization, you know, wherever it's going to be. You know,
Speaker 1: a deer deer camps. They didn't used to have deer
Speaker 1: camps probably like we have now where you've got thirty
Speaker 1: forty people in a deer camp and I mean they
Speaker 1: they don't kill deer. They got in there and eat
Speaker 1: and visit and have big time. Uh So it's really
Speaker 1: important to have that structure in your society. But the
Speaker 1: more urbanized we get, the more people walk in and
Speaker 1: go dead deer hanging on the wall, and it almost
Speaker 1: becomes like a work. This story I've told you about
Speaker 1: so much, it becomes a tourist attraction. So if you
Speaker 1: can capture what you were looking for, and you can
Speaker 1: do it well enough, the Corvette Club will come there,
Speaker 1: the Motorcycle Club will come there, the four Readers will
Speaker 1: come there. There's two new little places and around our
Speaker 1: commun unity that have done exactly what they did, what
Speaker 1: dun Laps has done, and people come from all over
Speaker 1: to go there. They've rebuilt the old store down there,
Speaker 1: and you go down there and it'll be thirty forty
Speaker 1: four wheelers parked around it. I'm thirty miles twenty miles
Speaker 1: from from the hub of four Wheeland, and I stopped
Speaker 1: in to get a biscuit from this guy, and I've
Speaker 1: heard about his story. He got deer heads in there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he does. He I know he has fish.
Speaker 1: He's big fisherman because it's it's an old building, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's he's smoking meat, and you know, he's got
Speaker 1: ice cream, and I mean people just love that. So
Speaker 1: instead of it being in every community and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden becomes straction. Yeah. So Dad was telling that
Speaker 1: there's a story in o ark Arkansas, which is maybe
Speaker 1: the one of the oldest gas stations. It is the
Speaker 1: oldest going concern in Arkansas. Supposedly eighteen nine is when
Speaker 1: it started as a store, right right, and it's it's ongoing.
Speaker 1: And I would just bet you if you were to
Speaker 1: do a study on it. It was just a store
Speaker 1: for years, but now probably in the last twenty years,
Speaker 1: it's a best the nation. Yeah. Yeah, they've they've made
Speaker 1: it into like a themed it's kind of going into
Speaker 1: like a cracker barrel or something like, uh, you know, antiques,
Speaker 1: and you get really good there. You've got wooden floors,
Speaker 1: you've got a poor chick and set on, you got
Speaker 1: old pictures all over the place. I actually was gonna
Speaker 1: go there to the Arcs General Store, I think is
Speaker 1: what it's called. And uh and and we just weren't
Speaker 1: able to get there. Hey, let me let me were
Speaker 1: We do not need dune laps. I don't want done laps.
Speaker 1: I wanna. I wanna Cherokee casino that I can walk
Speaker 1: in with a clean restroom, get gas at a cheap price.
Speaker 1: And walk out and listen to a podcast and not
Speaker 1: interface with not necessarily interface. But if I know there's
Speaker 1: a place around it has done laps personality, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: drive to it. You know, it's gonna be a point
Speaker 1: where you know, I want to go to it, But
Speaker 1: it's been replaced by something better in my opinion. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna drive the
Speaker 1: dun Laps to fuel up when I can drive ten
Speaker 1: miles the other way and and get a McDonald's burger.
Speaker 1: I can buy something saying is that we've chosen what
Speaker 1: we wanted. I mean, like like like time and progression,
Speaker 1: the dollar bill dictated. And that's what Jeff said, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what j B. Shreeve said, mecause that if you
Speaker 1: map it onto something else that's happening. I've got a
Speaker 1: lot of friends who take issue with Jeff Bezos and
Speaker 1: the way he runs his company and still buy from
Speaker 1: Amazon because it's really convenient. It's like, you may say
Speaker 1: that you want this, but like ultimately I'm stopping at
Speaker 1: the chain gas stations because they're convenient. They're right here.
Speaker 1: It's going to be clean, it's gonna need you know
Speaker 1: this is contrary. Probably that everybody listened to this. But
Speaker 1: I moved to a little town in Arkansas to raise
Speaker 1: a family, to have a nice career opportunity. But I
Speaker 1: would not have moved there had there not been a Walmart.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I mean that seems kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: If there hadn't have been up hut a Walmart, just
Speaker 1: a couple of conveniences, I would have said, Hey, I'd
Speaker 1: need this career opportunity. You guys can have it. So
Speaker 1: uh Amazon, I mean they're putting people out of business,
Speaker 1: but I mean it gives my family more money. I see,
Speaker 1: stiff money live better. Yeah, you know, so so therefore
Speaker 1: I can take a vacation. I can. And that's what
Speaker 1: I think I'm trying to say, Like, I'm not anti modernization,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't want anybody to ever get that idea,
Speaker 1: even though they might be like think that. Like I
Speaker 1: I love Walmart. I love going and buying cheap gas.
Speaker 1: All that I think is interesting is understanding reading what's
Speaker 1: happened and what we've given up for. This is just
Speaker 1: just to map the change. Like I'm I'm with I
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. That's a great point because we're not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want somebody to be confused and
Speaker 1: think that we're trying to be like nostalgic for the past,
Speaker 1: like I don't like doing. Like do you want to
Speaker 1: go back to rotary dial landlines? Yeah, Like I'm cool
Speaker 1: with it being and us having the Internet and social
Speaker 1: media and being able to buy gas quick and not
Speaker 1: have to go in and talk to someone for thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: But maybe just throw a white tail inside, just put
Speaker 1: a deer head in there, and I'll be fine. But
Speaker 1: my my point in in in what's interesting about it
Speaker 1: is just trying to map and understand where our society
Speaker 1: has moved because you just wake up and you think
Speaker 1: it's normal and you look back and be like, well
Speaker 1: I used to be general stores and all this, and
Speaker 1: then you you look at the oil industry, you look
Speaker 1: at social capital, and these ideas. Is just interesting. That's
Speaker 1: all I want to do. Like, yeah, I'm with you,
Speaker 1: And that's a great point. I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 1: Like I don't. I don't. I don't necessarily want to
Speaker 1: go back. I just want us to understand where we're
Speaker 1: at and then we can find you know, we don't
Speaker 1: have to build relationships at the gas station anymore. Like
Speaker 1: that is not a human necessity. It wasn't like in
Speaker 1: the beginning there was a gas station and that's where
Speaker 1: you went to get all your information and your gas.
Speaker 1: But we do have to build relationships somewhere try and
Speaker 1: I think that that's what And this is kind of
Speaker 1: We've talked to our kids a lot that we live
Speaker 1: our lives off of ancient principles that do not go
Speaker 1: out of style. There is no fad that is gonna
Speaker 1: The principles that we live our lives by are always
Speaker 1: going to be no matter what technology, no matter what
Speaker 1: technology comes. But we live a very modern lifestyle that's
Speaker 1: governed a very modern lifestyle that's governed by those ancient principles.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's the thing is we're not
Speaker 1: trying to just go back to And because I think Clay,
Speaker 1: you actually would you would prefer to live in a city,
Speaker 1: I mean a town that does not have a Walmart
Speaker 1: in it. That would be your preference. And as evidenced
Speaker 1: by the fact that we live in a town that
Speaker 1: does not have a Walmart in and that we've always
Speaker 1: I feel like we've gone out of our way to
Speaker 1: go to gas stations. I mean, Clay wants to go
Speaker 1: to a place that has characters. So I think you
Speaker 1: you definitely would. I would say, I hear what you're saying,
Speaker 1: and you don't want to go back, and you like
Speaker 1: your smartphone, but you also you like to take the kids.
Speaker 1: TikTok I mean, I mean it goes back to own TikTok.
Speaker 1: You know TikTok. I think that's a Chinese corporation. I
Speaker 1: got I asked him this last week. But bear grease,
Speaker 1: I mean you're all about that. The popularity of what
Speaker 1: you're doing is based on dun laps. I mean, who
Speaker 1: wants to kill a bear to get grease? I'd rather
Speaker 1: go to a store and buy Yeah, yeah, kill you
Speaker 1: too healthy. I think the themes that we always come
Speaker 1: back to are the things that have tension in them,
Speaker 1: and that's what you're discussing, like yeah, yeah, like just
Speaker 1: that tension of like the old meeting the new, the
Speaker 1: things that I like, meaning the new things that I like,
Speaker 1: and I think I think we're hanging out. Got to
Speaker 1: be aware, like it. It's just smart to just be
Speaker 1: aware and just understand stuff it's interesting and just put
Speaker 1: a dead gum deerhead in your guess station. Really, how
Speaker 1: hard is it actually? And one of my I'm going
Speaker 1: to say this, my favorite part was the guy who
Speaker 1: what was his name, Shaquille I wanted to bring up
Speaker 1: he was I love Sandra and I totally definitely the
Speaker 1: m v P. But Shaquille. I thought that was super
Speaker 1: cool because you kind of have this meeting of the
Speaker 1: world's where Shaquille clearly wasn't you know, his family origin
Speaker 1: is not yeah it's not Southeast Arkansas or southwest Oklahoma
Speaker 1: or wherever you were, but he he in a certain level,
Speaker 1: you know, embrace there. You can see the cultures coming together.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was a super cool story that
Speaker 1: someone felt close enough to Shaquille to say, hey, I'd
Speaker 1: like to bring my beer head a store to to
Speaker 1: hang taxidermia. She likes the community aspect, and he's like,
Speaker 1: yep that yeah. Yeah. He was such a cool guy.
Speaker 1: He It was a neat old store he had, and
Speaker 1: I mean it was I mean, he wasn't trying to
Speaker 1: be cute by being a country store like. He had
Speaker 1: just a just enior store that he was just trying
Speaker 1: to make a living in. But it was a neat
Speaker 1: old building and turns out there's some history with that place.
Speaker 1: He said it had been there like eighty years or something.
Speaker 1: And we will suck in and it was a small
Speaker 1: There was one other person in there, and he was
Speaker 1: they were just he was talking to this guy. I
Speaker 1: think this guy had like a twenty four pack of beer,
Speaker 1: like at two o'clock in the afternoon, and he was
Speaker 1: sitting there talking to Shaquille, probably for later consumption. We
Speaker 1: it was hard to responsibly he was larder of but
Speaker 1: they were just talking this like they were best buddies,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I knew that a couple of
Speaker 1: these stories, I would walk in with my recorder and
Speaker 1: kind of just be like incognito. But I knew that
Speaker 1: I had to tell us about what we're doing. And
Speaker 1: so he was very interested in the Burger's podcast. He
Speaker 1: had me write it down on piece of paper and
Speaker 1: my and and I said, I'm gonna write my name
Speaker 1: and my phone number. I need to reach back out
Speaker 1: to him to see if he heard it. It was
Speaker 1: to me it was a highlight in the because it
Speaker 1: kind of to me, it's almost like in Shaquille's store,
Speaker 1: this tension that we're talking about was resolved. I mean,
Speaker 1: you you're clearly seeing a global universe and and I
Speaker 1: mean you're just seeing so many things. I have this
Speaker 1: on tape on tape on digital digital. H he when
Speaker 1: we were leaving, he said, he said, he said, what
Speaker 1: what good does this do people? To listen to yourself?
Speaker 1: And You're like, that's an excellent question. Like he was
Speaker 1: really processing because I was like, we're a hunting conservation
Speaker 1: like his history, apologies, crisis, and and we're wet, let
Speaker 1: me know, we want we're going to talk about deer
Speaker 1: heads and gas stations. And he was just like, huh,
Speaker 1: now what company is it that you work for? And
Speaker 1: then around said what He literally said, what what? What?
Speaker 1: What good would it do for someone to listen to
Speaker 1: this podcast? This is like the most genuine question. And
Speaker 1: I was like, well, actually, you know the hunting industry
Speaker 1: and that's a lot of people listening to the hunters.
Speaker 1: I said, it's actually a really huge industry in the
Speaker 1: United States. And he was like, oh yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he knew that, and uh and he just was puzzled. Man,
Speaker 1: he was just puzzled. But interesting. We could go with
Speaker 1: a royal up in his driveway, unannounced walk in with
Speaker 1: a deer head and said, hey, remember us, can we
Speaker 1: hang this in here? I promise you. We ought to
Speaker 1: go hang a deer head down. We ought to hang
Speaker 1: a deer head and Moyle's Oklahoma, I think it's Moyle's
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, and we say every person that
Speaker 1: goes to that store because of bear grease, like will
Speaker 1: like give him something to take a picture. We ought
Speaker 1: to do that. I don't want to give up one
Speaker 1: of my deer heads. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: It was. What was the name of the store, britting?
Speaker 1: I was I was wondering if maybe interest it like
Speaker 1: sponsoring a scholarship of sorts or something like that to
Speaker 1: someone who may have a gas station or maybe looking
Speaker 1: to open a gas station and uh need taxidermy. I
Speaker 1: think that there's there's uh there's there's a greater good
Speaker 1: to be done. That's the good that happens from listening
Speaker 1: to this. We're connecting gas stations with Hey, what about
Speaker 1: the shout out Miss Sandra gave to that one taxidermy.
Speaker 1: She's straight up just like, here's the guy period. The end.
Speaker 1: Let me is social capital right there exactly. He got
Speaker 1: an advertisement on beargreades that he knows what he would
Speaker 1: have to pay for that. Come on, let's just be
Speaker 1: functional social capital. Yeah, you go into places. In fact,
Speaker 1: I can think of several I won't mention them, and
Speaker 1: a couple of them are really good friends of mine.
Speaker 1: And I go, where's the dead come chairs around here?
Speaker 1: I don't want to socialize people, And they go, we
Speaker 1: don't have chairs, and we don't want people coming in
Speaker 1: here to socialize, you know, And I'm really they don't.
Speaker 1: So it's more than like a gas station. Well, it's
Speaker 1: like a real good friend of ours and men that that,
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, it's a great run place.
Speaker 1: It's clean, it's got nice restrooms, it's got great products.
Speaker 1: There's no chairs, Do your business and get out. So
Speaker 1: what what I'm saying, or what I'm thinking, is you
Speaker 1: can have all the deer heads in the world, but
Speaker 1: you've got to have good food, you gotta have places
Speaker 1: to sit, you gotta have friendly people. Hey, what's going on, Billy?
Speaker 1: Don You gotta have two names? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: two names. That's big and so. Yeah, So you can
Speaker 1: do that without deer heads, but it just happens. If
Speaker 1: you have that environment, you usually have some what we did,
Speaker 1: you know, we could really dissect what we did. We
Speaker 1: used a a a almost a spurious correlation to try
Speaker 1: to draw conclusions about something much bigger. I mean, we
Speaker 1: realize deerheads do not mean that someone's gonna build social capital.
Speaker 1: There I am saying it. But it's a it's an indicator.
Speaker 1: It very strong. It could be an indicator of a time,
Speaker 1: a time past. I just don't understand why all these
Speaker 1: researchers that I've been they don't talk about not once
Speaker 1: the liberal media. Mr says, Dude, when you said chairs,
Speaker 1: I immediately saw the little booths red for mica benches
Speaker 1: with a wood grain table top, two of them, right
Speaker 1: in front of a window. I can't tell you how
Speaker 1: many gas stations I've seen that little styrofoam cups of coffee,
Speaker 1: old men in their overalls, one cup, one cup of coffee,
Speaker 1: one spit cup. Yep. Absolutely, That's kind of the story
Speaker 1: of my grandpa is like his truck he when he
Speaker 1: I had my nephew got the truck and I got
Speaker 1: in there and it just smelled like you. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what it smelled like, the old spit cup. But
Speaker 1: we took him. He was he was dying, and we
Speaker 1: were trying to you know, we we knew he was
Speaker 1: gonna die. We were trying to get the kids these relationships.
Speaker 1: And we actually brought a video camera down because he
Speaker 1: was just a great storyteller and we wanted to hear
Speaker 1: him tell us stories. So that are and so I
Speaker 1: brought my kids down, my mom, all my kids sit
Speaker 1: in the room and we just asked him tell us
Speaker 1: this story too, and he loved it. And after it
Speaker 1: was over, we said, hey, we want to take you
Speaker 1: Let's and we named the steakhouse downtown or anywhere else
Speaker 1: you want to go, just name the place. And his
Speaker 1: he he was not like super close to even his
Speaker 1: own family, his immediate family, his own kids. I would
Speaker 1: say he wasn't the best at building those kind of relationships.
Speaker 1: But that man ate out every single night of the week,
Speaker 1: and he built very deep relationships with those people. Are
Speaker 1: and I'm not kidding. I would grow up and go
Speaker 1: into a restaurant and he'd be there. And I always
Speaker 1: felt like the people waiting on him knew him a
Speaker 1: little bit better than I did, because he had like
Speaker 1: this routine. But anyway, really hurtful. It wasn't. He wanted
Speaker 1: to go to the Country Express. That was where That's
Speaker 1: where he wanted. And the steakhouse that we volunteered to
Speaker 1: take him to his next door and he's like, not
Speaker 1: much of Let's go to the Country Express. That's where
Speaker 1: I like to eat lunch on every Monday. He ate
Speaker 1: at that gas station and he knew everybody in there,
Speaker 1: and different people would come in, he tell us their
Speaker 1: story straight. People that were strangers to us would come
Speaker 1: in and they would stop and talk to him, and
Speaker 1: he would tell him, don't tell them I'm sick. It's like,
Speaker 1: you don't look well. You know, the businessman, not necessarily
Speaker 1: the businessman, the construction workers, you know, they had their
Speaker 1: favorite little places to go, the Country Express them. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just a gas station, has some nice booth and great, awesome,
Speaker 1: unbelievable food. It's a catfish, yeah, just barbecue, whatever you want.
Speaker 1: It's good, and you know it's it's it's it's one
Speaker 1: of these social capital deals. I go in there and
Speaker 1: I share what they're doing and projects their own and
Speaker 1: no deer heads though, mm hmm, sorry about that. But
Speaker 1: the further we got away from four lane highways, there's
Speaker 1: a guy. There's a direct correlation between deer heads and
Speaker 1: the number of lanes on the highway Roots sixty six.
Speaker 1: You think about it, we don't, you know, we don't
Speaker 1: leave dune laps. We don't leave all these places. We
Speaker 1: retain a few of them. You know, just is artifacts
Speaker 1: or whatever you wanna call it. I mean, but Roots
Speaker 1: sixty six, I mean people travel that thing every year
Speaker 1: to just stop in a little driving. Yeah, small gas stations,
Speaker 1: I mean, so people learn how to make money off that.
Speaker 1: You know. You say, well, let's I think I can
Speaker 1: start attracting people. Hey, we'll close down here pretty quick.
Speaker 1: Do you know where the Live Mountain Lion was? No question?
Speaker 1: I think about it every time I drive by. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then that was a gas station? Was it wasn't I'm
Speaker 1: fact checking myself. Yeah, what color? Was it? Jet black?
Speaker 1: Like a July night, I mean December night, nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 1: One thing that came out of this was they did
Speaker 1: gum purple cougar, wasn't it? Hey, So I bleeped out
Speaker 1: the name of the small country gas station that didn't
Speaker 1: have deer heads. I leaped out the town, I leaped
Speaker 1: out everything because I didn't want to make them look bad.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure everyone who ever drives too there's going
Speaker 1: to know who. I mean, there was another one that
Speaker 1: I be out completely. So I didn't want I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't. We didn't want to do harm to these rights.
Speaker 1: We were so we were so impressed with the place
Speaker 1: I left the name in, even though we kind of
Speaker 1: got onto him for not having a deer. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just kind of. I mean, they really went on.
Speaker 1: It was not Bary Grease sanction, but it would have
Speaker 1: been Gary Newcom sanctions. Yeah. You probably could have played
Speaker 1: a round of golf in there. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: was good. It was a big it was a big store.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma knows how to do gas stations. They sure, man
Speaker 1: that chucked all travel plaza with a like hundred eight
Speaker 1: hundred nine. It may have been a dypical I mean
Speaker 1: it was straight up looked like a fence. It was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't dress typically, but it was typical rack. It
Speaker 1: was a beautiful deer, Yeah, it was. It was man.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys. Man. Do we ever have some exciting Bearar
Speaker 1: Grease episodes coming up in the future. I'm not even
Speaker 1: gonna give any hints, but very excited. I'm pretty excited
Speaker 1: about what's coming up.