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Speaker 1: production of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

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Speaker 1: So Josh is now like the audio bad boy of

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Speaker 1: you got you got priors. Well, he got reprimanded. He

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Speaker 1: Not alcoholic drinks, non alcoholic drinks, but drinking on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: And then and so we were texting Josh. You know, Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's here's the thing that we all do, and we

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Speaker 1: Yeah you see what I'm saying. Yeah, it's like rather

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Speaker 1: Josh is really this is how we create a villain.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like we're sitting in a recording studio.

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Speaker 1: It's your lay has attacked Josh. Josh has now attacked back.

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Speaker 1: He says, this is not a recording studio. Wow, that

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Speaker 1: really hurts my feeling, he said, he said, King, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But now with all the bear hides and the first

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Speaker 1: of mountain line. Did you say mountain a black panther shoulder,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the bear grea surrender guys. I'm very excited

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Speaker 1: August second through the fourth, this podcast comes out on

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Speaker 1: the third of two. There's time left. There's time left.

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Speaker 1: There's a big season opener sale for First Light, f

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Speaker 1: all the exact stuff, but if there was ever time

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Speaker 1: on everything that they've got. Also with Phelps there's some

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Speaker 1: have any bootcut pants for Isaac? Oh, no, I wish. Hey,

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Speaker 1: how you been man? Excellent? Excellent? You got a lot

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Speaker 1: amazed at how much a mule, even any equan animal

422
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Speaker 1: or a dog can pick up on fear or intimidation.

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Speaker 1: Like I mean, my dogs are big goofy have two

424
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Speaker 1: Great Danes, big goofy, docile dogs that just want to

425
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: play all the time. If they see someone who's intimidated

426
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: by them, they want to bark at them, but they

427
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: won't bark at anybody else. I mean, a two year

428
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: old will come by and they'll just bound over there

429
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: and lick them. But a six ft six big old

430
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: dude walks by and turns like this and looks at them.

431
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: They're gonna Yeah, it's amazing. It's like Clay's turkeys that

432
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: were discriminatory against anything they perceived as weak. They would

433
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: they would attack any anything they perceived as week. Either

434
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: someone that had a disability in terms of like a

435
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: visible disability where they couldn't walk straight, they would go

436
00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: attack that personally. Yes, elderly people, young children, often women.

437
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: Like a classic bigot. If you're going to be a bullet,

438
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: you can win. I'm wondering if if Banjo is a

439
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: listener of the podcast, a consumer of media, and has

440
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: maybe picked up on this agenda you've been pushing where

441
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: you're like, your mule doesn't like you, it doesn't have

442
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: the capacity to love, and Banjo is just I'll show you.

443
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: You know you hurt me, I'm gonna hurt you back. Yeah, emotional.

444
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: I thought we had something going and then you're out

445
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: here telling people mules can't love. You know, it's all

446
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: about space sorsmanship a book that I read that I

447
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: read years ago before I was even training equin animals

448
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: talks about a paradigm shift inside of training. Primarily horses

449
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: is what the book talks about, but mules too, where

450
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: this idea that that a that a horse likes you

451
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: or doesn't like you, or that a horse does this

452
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: thing because it wants to get back at you for you,

453
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, like not giving enough grain yesterday. Like basically,

454
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: these guys, it was, Oh, it's complete anthropomorphization as a

455
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: big old word, and you want to define relevant and

456
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: then I think you need to traits on two animals.

457
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: That's right, thank you? Yeah? Yeah. And and basically the

458
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: two guys that wrote it, I can't remember their names.

459
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: Basically one of them was a neuroscientist and the other

460
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: one was a real good horse trainer and um and

461
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: basically the neuroscience guy, which I loved. I still would

462
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: like to have him on the podcast. He was like,

463
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: a horse does not have a place and its brain

464
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: to love you, but what about in its heart? And

465
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: a doctor knows nothing about heart? What about trigger? And

466
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: silver Man? Yeah no kidding? Is that Roy Rogers? I

467
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: mean those the animals love those guys. Yeah. It is

468
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: actually hard because we had a we had a mule

469
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: and what was her name. The very first one was

470
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: at mabel Um Ellie May, and we had a horse, Ruth,

471
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: and Ruth left for a while and and wasn't there,

472
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: and Ellie May was so needy. I would walk out

473
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: and Ellie May would not pay me the time of day.

474
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: I go on walks by where the mules are, and

475
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: I would walk out there every single morning, walk out

476
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: there with the dogs. They would they would walk with me.

477
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: The mule would just stay off to the side. When

478
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: the horse left town. I would walk out there and

479
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: she would come greet me every morning and winning at

480
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: me every single day. I just I'm not saying that

481
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: that's a class like you've anthromorphized these animals because you

482
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: you feel like she's like emotionally lonely. They're hurt animals,

483
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: so they want they have a deep, deep desire to

484
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: be with another animal. I'm just saying. I'm just saying,

485
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: like emotions winning. I mean, I don't know, maybe I

486
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: know more about this topic than you. Yeah, maybe so.

487
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: Capital Well, um, let's talk about this. Let's talk about

488
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: this podcast. What what was your What was your favorite part, Isaac.

489
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: I think it was the lady who just like had

490
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: all the information dialed in on the mounts just like

491
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: that six. It's like yeah, dad, gum. Yeah. I was like,

492
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: it's one s one seventy and she's like, no, it's

493
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: one seventy six. I think I think Mr Bonne and

494
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: Crockett try one seventy six in a broader sense, Like

495
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the whole thing. I enjoyed we can get

496
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: to the funeral procession. That was a really interesting thing

497
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: for me. We almost took that out. By the way,

498
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: if you want to behind the veil see how the

499
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: sausage is made. Um. But I think what's really powerful

500
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: about this piece is like it as soon as you

501
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: startle listening, it takes you to all the places in

502
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: your childhood and growing up, in the places in your

503
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: hometown where you're like, yep, yep, that place is gone,

504
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: this place is shut down. So interesting. So that's for me.

505
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: You were thinking about the places you remember with Texas

506
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: may whatnot? Absolutely? Yeah. Sandra Barrett at Dune Lap Storey, Kirby,

507
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: Arkansas was really something. It was a lot of fun. Yeah.

508
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: I wish I mean, if she was close, I would

509
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: have been like, hey, come beyond the burger surrender. I can't.

510
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: I can't pull it out of my head. I don't

511
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: know if you said it on the podcast, But how

512
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: many of the stops were planned and how many were good?

513
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: That's a great question. So we I think we decided

514
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: we made fifteen stops and they were totally they were

515
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: not random stops. Sure well okay, and the plan stops

516
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: were like three okay, like three of fifteen were like

517
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Speaker 1: I had an appointment with Clifton Ward, and I had

518
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: an appointment with Sandra Barratt. Yeah. Uh, maybe just two.

519
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: Maybe that's all I had was to that coming. Yeah,

520
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: and so but it wasn't just a random sampling of

521
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: fifteen gas stations, like we were looking for country gas stations.

522
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: We were looking for places that like towns that we

523
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: felt like might have deer heads. But the one Brady

524
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: Mountain one stop there north of well whatever direction from

525
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: Crystal Springs, east of Crystal Springs, we literally coasted in

526
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: there after our vehicle said zero miles left on fuel.

527
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: We were going down the road and he had the

528
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 1: nearest gas station, which was that spot in the GPS

529
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: or I did, and he was like, all right, Uh,

530
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: the spilometer says we've got two miles of fuel left?

531
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: How far is that? And I'm like, well, it says

532
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: here seventeen across your fingers. Actually it was like we

533
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: were like three quarters of a mile passed beyond what

534
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: the capacity at the car said. And finally the cars

535
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: z rode out and we've got it insight and we

536
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: just slid right up to the gas And so that

537
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: place totally was just random. And we went in there

538
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: and that's where there was a big mule there we were.

539
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: It was meant to be. Man, there was a wood duck.

540
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: There was as a general rule about non native species

541
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: in gas stations. I can't talk negatively about it. It

542
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: was still for it. I mean personally, when I see that,

543
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, but there's it's it's something different when I

544
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: see a white tail or something, you know what I mean.

545
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: What didn't make the cut was there was a jackal

546
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: open there. Ah, So we we did we we did

547
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: a little bit on the jack Where's where's the line is?

548
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: No one's standard? People do not. I think we need

549
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: to know what a jack loop. That's another song. Yeah,

550
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: everybody knows what a jackalope. It's a it's a it's

551
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: a form of non standard taxidermy. Yeah, where they take

552
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: a rabbit, They mount a rabbit and put deer horns

553
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: on a rabbit, usually really brilliant, like a rag horn

554
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: or actually something like that. Childhood jack a lope is

555
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: a jack rabbit with antelope antlers? Really is that a

556
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: brand name? Should we be? Are we gonna see somebody

557
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: for using the jackal deer horns on it? Well? How

558
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: many antalope do you see around southwest ar I mean,

559
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: we'd still call it a jackalope, I think so. But

560
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: the actual jackalope is antelope antlers on a jackel. Like

561
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: there's something with cotton tail, white tail there something. I

562
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit like a generic brand, you know, yeah,

563
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: like it's it's just a little like eat that place.

564
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that place had a big, nice set of

565
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: dark dark hundred big like kind of a non typical

566
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: like mule deer. But it was just skull. It was

567
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: just a skull plate, you know. I bet I bet

568
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: nobody has spoken of that mule deer in fifteen years. Well,

569
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: it'd be nice, it'd be interesting to interview the owner. Uh,

570
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: And we didn't. We didn't meet him. We just walked

571
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: in there and there it was and then so your

572
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: question was how many scripted stocks really just too then

573
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: there were fifteen other ones, and I was pretty pleased

574
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: with the amount of deer horns that we saw on

575
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: our trip, though it wasn't like a random sampling. The

576
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: taxi dary representation of south southwest Arkansas southeast Oklahoma. Was

577
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: that first place you stopped the smokehouse? Was that a

578
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: gas station? Like a restaurant, like we just wanted some

579
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: beef jerking semen roles? So I remember as a who

580
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: doesn't it reminded me of going to this country family

581
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: restaurant when I was a kid, just chalked full of

582
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: dusty old taxidermy all, you know, mangy looking that it.

583
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: It immediately took me back there as a kid. Brent,

584
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: what was your favorite part of the road trip, Miss Sandra?

585
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: You know you talked about seeing her, talking about the

586
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: deer heads and the deer heads, and you think about

587
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: all the places that you grew up and saw. Miss

588
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: Andrew took me back to the people. You know, there's

589
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: not a lot of folks like her or not. I

590
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of folks like her anymore. I mean,

591
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: she has been a staple at that one place for

592
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: the majority of her life. She knew if you called it,

593
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: if people listening heard that she was telling clay deer stories.

594
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, guy walks in and she

595
00:34:53,080 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: stops mid citizens says, hello, Billy done. No, us, I

596
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: just wanted to bring her home with me. And she's

597
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: just a genuine a good person, a genuine person, and

598
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: she she had so much value in those deer heads

599
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: up there that there's probably people walking in out of

600
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: that store that if you ask them, they've probably been

601
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: in there a million times, some of them. What do

602
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 1: you think about all those deer heads and dunlap store?

603
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what, dear heads? People are so focused now,

604
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: get in, get what you need, get out, and get gone.

605
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: I could have stayed there all day and listen to

606
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: her talk about the different things on the front of

607
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: that and I made a little mention of it. There

608
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: was on the front of the cash restor was a

609
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: pictures from old pictures, new pictures of kids, grown ups,

610
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: folks that were you know, graduation pictures and engagement announcement

611
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: And I asked her, us, I said, these are not

612
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: all families, Oh no, this is just part of our

613
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: community here. We're all family, and it was just it

614
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 1: was so cool because I grew up in a place

615
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: like I made mention that that her stories were rivaling

616
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: any of those ever told on The Burgers podcast. Um,

617
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: what do you call it? When someone gets there? There's

618
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: a term for athletes that like get in the zone

619
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: and they're they're they're just like almost operating at like

620
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: a supernatural level. What do you call like free flow

621
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: or in the work flow? Okay that means okay. So

622
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: miss Sandra when she started telling the story towards the end,

623
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: she it was like she was in the she was

624
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: in the flow and her her voice picked up the

625
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: pace and she was like and then there she was.

626
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: And then I was coming through there and I said, oh, well,

627
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: spank you. But she was great, but she really got

628
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: fired up, like she would talk to you just like

629
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: real normal, just like, yes, this is don Kelsey killed

630
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: this one. And then but then by the time the end,

631
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: she was like just like she was just ripping on

632
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: the stories and we couldn't include them off. She told

633
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: us I think every single story that and a couple

634
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: of them she didn't know the full story, but she

635
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: knew all the details that were owned, like that there

636
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: came from this place and this man and it's been

637
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: here for this long. There were ten deer so you

638
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: guys only heard like three stories. But yeah, she was

639
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: a super sweet lady. And I just like cold called

640
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: her and one and you know, just said, hey, this

641
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: is who I am, this is what I'm doing. You know,

642
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: she didn't know anything, and I just and and it's

643
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: hard to describe to someone on the phone in a

644
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: gas station, Like gas station conversations on the telephone are

645
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: not long. It's just like hello, Dunlap store. You know.

646
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: It's not like they're gonna sit there. Yeah. Yeah, And

647
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: there's people coming in and out. Yeah yea. And so

648
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: here I am trying to say, like, hey, we would

649
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: like to come to your store and interview you about

650
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: your dear heads like I could. And she was real sweet,

651
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: but I could tell you she was like these guys

652
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: are weird. Yeah, And I was like, okay, well, we'll

653
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: be there tomorrow about ten o'clock and um and you know,

654
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: brand will be wearing her overalls with the John Deer cap. Uh.

655
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: You'll know who we are when you says no. She

656
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: was She was real nice. But that that was neat

657
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: and then uh, Clifton Ward. Clifton Ward was a neat

658
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: old guy. Had he had just he had that whole

659
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: gas station covered in deer. And the biggest coincidence of

660
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: the whole thing was we were in there talking to

661
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: Clifton Ward and the man who told me about the

662
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: Clifton Ward was Rusty Johnson, who lives in Northwest Arkansas,

663
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: which is four hours from there. Rusty Johnson's dad lives

664
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: in Texas, Canada, which is hours from from Dirk's. We're

665
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: in there talking to Clifton Ward, who I've never met

666
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: before but new through the Johnson's, and Jack Johnson walks up.

667
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: Jack Johnson is a Boon and Crockett score. I had

668
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: just asked the man, you know, we just guessed on

669
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: the score. Jack Johnson goes Clay. You can hear him

670
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: go Clay, And I turned around, like Jack and anyway,

671
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: he was like just passing through. I mean, it's anyway

672
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: Rusty's dad. I mean I just said that, Yeah, Rusty's

673
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: dad was Jack Johnson. But um, Josh, anything stand out

674
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: to you? Well? Coincidence enough. Today I was listening to

675
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: this podcast again and right before I get to the

676
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: part where Brent talks about the funeral procession. I see

677
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: the first funeral procession I've seen in two years right

678
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: in front of me. The officers lights are on. I

679
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: look up and I thought, oh, I better stop. Before

680
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: I realized, I thought it was just an officer coming

681
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: down the road, and I realized it's a it's a

682
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: funeral procession. I've ripped my hat off and pull over. That.

683
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: Would you have known to do that before? I didn't.

684
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: I never thought about taking my hat off when I

685
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: was really disappointed. Who is your dad? He didn't teach

686
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: you that? Come on, man? Well? Yeah, so I thought

687
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: that was a nice little tip bit thrown in there. Okay,

688
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: I was like, what it's like, it's like a little

689
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: p s A right in the middle of the podcast. Yeah,

690
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: it was. I wanted. I wanted the podcast to feel

691
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: like a road trip, you know. That was the soundscapes

692
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: of the podcast. We are a nice change, like I

693
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: can hear the squeak of a door opening in the

694
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: bell ring when you go into like all those like

695
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: the atmosphere we try to create in here. How long?

696
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: How long? How long was that road trip? What left?

697
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 1: I was in Alma by seven o'clock. So I left

698
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: here about six o'clock in the morning and I got

699
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: home about nine o'clock at night, and we pretty much

700
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: drove the whole time, and I picked up Brent Alma,

701
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: and then we went from Alma to Crystal Springs, Two Sunshine,

702
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: Kirby Derek's, Hayworth O, Oklahoma, Antlers Moyles, Oklahoma, and then

703
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: back up through Fort Smith and then back to northwest

704
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: Arkansas and Brent went, are you kind of like a

705
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: gold digger? I don't know what the rat word would baby?

706
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: It looked like Brent fund to the whole project. Yeah?

707
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: Who Yeah, Brett brought me bought me a few drinks. Um,

708
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: you have to I'm not sure how that happened. Um

709
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: what what? What? All convenience store items were consumed on

710
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: this trip. Um? Well, by far the best and it

711
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: wasn't convenient store we're coming from Burrows was that there

712
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: was a centinar roll and we put pictures on Instagram,

713
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: but as big as a cow patty and we had.

714
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: He gave us two and we we eat one all day.

715
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: It took us all day to eat one. And then

716
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: at the end of the trip we cut the other

717
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: in half and he brought some home and I took

718
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: some home. We're still eating on it. They had some

719
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: some beef jerkey that was crazy good. Oh my gosh,

720
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: that's that was good. And then we had a Bologney

721
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: sandwich at Sanders. I don't know what paid for. Yeah.

722
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: Finally that was the meal lip sandwich from Yeah, that

723
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: didn't make the cut. We we gave a wildly exciting

724
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: audio version of a Bologny sandwich being made, somehow didn't

725
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: make play by play. You know. It was cool about

726
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: that store at Dunlap store. When uh, when Alexa, when

727
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: Alexas saw the video that you put on Instagram, but

728
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: she said, I recognize that store. I've been there. I

729
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: thought you have been in Dunlap store. Yes. Her grandfather, A. T.

730
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: Oliver was a Church of Christ preacher in southwest Arkansas,

731
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: and he in Murphysboro and he loved stopping in that

732
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: store and getting that hand dipped ice cream. And she

733
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: talked about and they had his funeral. The whole family

734
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: goes down there, so there was three van loads of

735
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: and to honor him. On the way back, they all

736
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: stopped there and building that store and got some hand

737
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: up tasks. I've been in that store. That's pretty cool. Dad.

738
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: What was your favorite part? You know, I just enjoyed

739
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: the relaxed nature of the whole thing. It brought back

740
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: a lot of memories about Mr Petty's where I lived

741
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: in Hot Springs. You could go too blocks in any

742
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: direction and there would be a little store. You know,

743
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: they have deer heads in it, but you know, and

744
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: then as I got older, I said, convenience stores have

745
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: come in and these things disappear. So as you, as

746
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: you look, I enjoyed mistis uh social capital deal? And

747
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: I can think of what what has replaced this? Because

748
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: something is replaced that this part in a community, the

749
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: old store and coffee shops is about all I could.

750
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, you got church, you got civic clubs, You've

751
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff going on. It bring people together,

752
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: You've got rage. You've got all kinds of stuff going

753
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: on that pull communities together, and a lot of times

754
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: chamber of commerce as hell. But in my little small town,

755
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: the coffee shops are a big deal. You know, you'll

756
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: walk in a coffee shop and there might be ten

757
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: guys sitting around. Do you sit down there and drink coffee? No,

758
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: I don't. I go in occasionally and just see see

759
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: these guys, But I don't, you know, I'm too busy.

760
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: What are you doing. I'm just I'm just a dead

761
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: beat man and I've come really good at I'll tell

762
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: you what really disappointed me. I mean, I just couldn't

763
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: believe two guys, if y'all stature, would walk into a store,

764
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: a station that didn't have uh any taxidermists at all,

765
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: and not harass them a little bit. I mean, I

766
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 1: mean I could see that. As humorous as you guys

767
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: can be. I think we should have confer. Don't know,

768
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: I think so, man. I mean, little story here, but

769
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: where's your dead come dear heads? Paper out of the bathroom?

770
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: We did a little braffiti on one of them. We

771
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: didn't put that on there. We went in the back

772
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: and spray painted stuff. I'm just kidding. That's a good

773
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: I take that criticism. Yeah, we should have confirmed. We

774
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: just walked out of there like a couple of little uh.

775
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: We were eager to get to the next spot. The

776
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: toilet paper steal in the toilet paper made me think

777
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: that's no yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, uh an issue that

778
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: wasn't brought up on here, and I felt like was

779
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: could have played an integral part in this conversation, especially

780
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: with Mr Shreeve. Is uh bathrooms? That was like the

781
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: number one thing my mom talked about with gas stations,

782
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: crowing up like does that place look like it has

783
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: a clean bathroom or not? Oh? Right, like in in

784
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,479
Speaker 1: in the idea of trying to get people to stop

785
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: at your store, right, yeah, just like that was that

786
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: was item number one. You also roads clean bathrooms, yeah, Mom,

787
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: improved bathrooms. You might find an inverse correlation, which means

788
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: cleanliness of the bathroom goes up, taxidermy goes down. I

789
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: don't know why, but that's my gut feeling. I know

790
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: it's an unpopular opinion. If you go to a place

791
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: and need to use the restroom, do you have to

792
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: buy something? Oh? A lot of people mandate it, like

793
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: bathroom to paining customers only, stuff like that. I just

794
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: feel this internal compulsion to do it. I'll like go

795
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: buy a bottle of water or something. Yeah, yeah, I don't.

796
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a mortal thing. I don't think

797
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: i'm superior. I'm just I'm trying to put it out

798
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: there and see people's feelings, thoughts. It's like to contribute,

799
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: to be a financial The reason I brought it up

800
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: into that one gas station, no taxidermy, you didn't want

801
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: to feel bad. You bought a sprite you didn't want

802
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: We did it primarily because we walked in there and

803
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: they were like eight people behind the counter watching us.

804
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: We may have been the first customers that day. So

805
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a link between customers in rural

806
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: communities and deer heads. You can you do a follow

807
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: up episode where you go back and you're like, we're

808
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: here to help you out. We've got a trunk full

809
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: of taxidermy. Let's throw it up for a week, see

810
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: what happens. That's a good idea. We could fill our

811
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: vehicle up with taxes army and go around and see

812
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 1: if people would let us hang. Yeah, man, I can't

813
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: help that actually makes my stomach tightened just a little bit.

814
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: It was a little It was a bit of a

815
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: stretch time or two going in these gas stations, just

816
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: cold turkey, like asking them about stuff. I mean, it's

817
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: not it seems like, well, yeah, Clay, you would have

818
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: been comfortable talking. No, I wouldn't have been had it's

819
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: a sign of the times. And I don't know what

820
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: it is, but maybe it's the fast paced life or

821
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: the disconnected people have. But you don't you don't walk

822
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: into a store like like miss Sanders's store, and we

823
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: didn't walk into a store. I don't think that anybody

824
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: was rude. Most of people were welcoming. Can I help you?

825
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: You know? But you get a general feel and when

826
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: somebody is actually glad to see you and know that

827
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: you're coming in. And we got to them like that

828
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: one place in Oklahoma. The ladies were working there in

829
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: that little store with the two stores together that had

830
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: no idea about any of the deer Is Hanks exactly.

831
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: They were like, hey, y'all, come on here and welcome

832
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: to get you. And we started talking about dear heads.

833
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: And they looked at each other like cash looking at

834
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: a new gate. They're like, what are these folks doing?

835
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: But once they figured out what we were doing, many

836
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: all they could do to help us. Yeah, Yeah, they were.

837
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: They were pretty. They were really so a lot of

838
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: places they weren't. They didn't slow down when we figured

839
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: out what Yeah, and that's why I think that's what

840
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: makes it, what makes it different that you us to

841
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: folks like her, those two ladies and Miss Sandra and

842
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: allthough the folks that we saw there. That was nearly

843
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: every place you would go, and now we talk about

844
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: it because it's not it's well different. When you're talking

845
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: about Miss Sandra and the pictures up on the register, right,

846
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: it made me think, like, that's social media, pre social media, right,

847
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: And I'm not here to like just uh talk bad

848
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: about social media. I think there's a lot of good

849
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: and positive and upside potential to it. But it is

850
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: a force that, uh can silo us, make us not

851
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: as connected, make us want to say things that are

852
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: mean spirited or whatever because there's no in person repercussion

853
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: sort of tears the fabric of some of our community.

854
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: But when you go to the gas station and you

855
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: see the pictures and you're interacting with people face to face,

856
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: it builds those things. That is that in that vein

857
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: of social capital that you're talking about, or is that

858
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: uh not rel it at all? No, I think it's

859
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: I think it's in the in that vein, And I

860
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: think what Brent's talking about. You know, you don't want

861
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: to be too nostalgic about the past, because the past

862
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: had stuff in it that you know, whenever you talk

863
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: about a place of connection, a place of community, the

864
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: next question is always for who was everyone in the

865
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: community really allowed in that space. So in some ways

866
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: there have been improvements, but overall there has been a

867
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: generational shift across races, across different cultures particular, and and

868
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: this is a North American thing. Most of the research

869
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: that we've seen is North American, but a generational shift.

870
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,479
Speaker 1: And all the things that Gary just named parades, church,

871
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: church membership, civil civic organization membership, and and even when

872
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: they're still membership, people are replacing. For example, I was

873
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: reading this week about people are essentially replacing doing four

874
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: and doing with doing on behalf of or doing with

875
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: with doing on behalf of. Well, so like people are

876
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: still involved, I mean the US. I don't know if

877
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: you'll ever read Topefield, but when he came to the

878
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: U S it was this is like in the I

879
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: mean centuries ago. One of the things that stood out

880
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: about the US was its civic participation and how how

881
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: rich community life was today. Even with the US when

882
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: with our civic participation dying, we're still more engaged in

883
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: our communities and in volunteers than a lot of other countries. Yeah,

884
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: so all the research that we're looking at is that

885
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: I've I've been looking at is in the US. But

886
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: even when people are people, so people stay engaged in

887
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,959
Speaker 1: like volunteer organizations like the Lions Club, the House club,

888
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: um or family you know, community traditions, but a lot

889
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: of times they'll give a donation instead of going and

890
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: doing and so. And that's that doesn't get you the

891
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: same thing. That doesn't get you the same social benefits.

892
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: You know, we all have that need to socialize with

893
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: each other, and we're going to find it. We don't

894
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: have to have that little we don't have to have

895
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: done lap store work. I'm gonna seek it out. Now,

896
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: certain people aren't quite as apt as others to find

897
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: that socialization, you know, wherever it's going to be. You know,

898
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: a deer deer camps. They didn't used to have deer

899
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: camps probably like we have now where you've got thirty

900
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: forty people in a deer camp and I mean they

901
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: they don't kill deer. They got in there and eat

902
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: and visit and have big time. Uh So it's really

903
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: important to have that structure in your society. But the

904
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: more urbanized we get, the more people walk in and

905
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: go dead deer hanging on the wall, and it almost

906
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: becomes like a work. This story I've told you about

907
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: so much, it becomes a tourist attraction. So if you

908
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: can capture what you were looking for, and you can

909
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: do it well enough, the Corvette Club will come there,

910
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: the Motorcycle Club will come there, the four Readers will

911
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: come there. There's two new little places and around our

912
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: commun unity that have done exactly what they did, what

913
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: dun Laps has done, and people come from all over

914
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: to go there. They've rebuilt the old store down there,

915
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: and you go down there and it'll be thirty forty

916
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: four wheelers parked around it. I'm thirty miles twenty miles

917
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: from from the hub of four Wheeland, and I stopped

918
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: in to get a biscuit from this guy, and I've

919
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: heard about his story. He got deer heads in there, Yeah,

920
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure he does. He I know he has fish.

921
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: He's big fisherman because it's it's an old building, you know,

922
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: and he's he's smoking meat, and you know, he's got

923
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: ice cream, and I mean people just love that. So

924
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: instead of it being in every community and all of

925
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: a sudden becomes straction. Yeah. So Dad was telling that

926
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 1: there's a story in o ark Arkansas, which is maybe

927
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: the one of the oldest gas stations. It is the

928
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: oldest going concern in Arkansas. Supposedly eighteen nine is when

929
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: it started as a store, right right, and it's it's ongoing.

930
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: And I would just bet you if you were to

931
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: do a study on it. It was just a store

932
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: for years, but now probably in the last twenty years,

933
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: it's a best the nation. Yeah. Yeah, they've they've made

934
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: it into like a themed it's kind of going into

935
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: like a cracker barrel or something like, uh, you know, antiques,

936
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: and you get really good there. You've got wooden floors,

937
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: you've got a poor chick and set on, you got

938
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: old pictures all over the place. I actually was gonna

939
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: go there to the Arcs General Store, I think is

940
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: what it's called. And uh and and we just weren't

941
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: able to get there. Hey, let me let me were

942
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: We do not need dune laps. I don't want done laps.

943
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: I wanna. I wanna Cherokee casino that I can walk

944
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: in with a clean restroom, get gas at a cheap price.

945
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: And walk out and listen to a podcast and not

946
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: interface with not necessarily interface. But if I know there's

947
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: a place around it has done laps personality, I'm gonna

948
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: drive to it. You know, it's gonna be a point

949
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: where you know, I want to go to it, But

950
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: it's been replaced by something better in my opinion. In

951
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: my opinion, yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna drive the

952
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: dun Laps to fuel up when I can drive ten

953
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: miles the other way and and get a McDonald's burger.

954
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: I can buy something saying is that we've chosen what

955
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: we wanted. I mean, like like like time and progression,

956
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: the dollar bill dictated. And that's what Jeff said, you know,

957
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: that's what j B. Shreeve said, mecause that if you

958
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: map it onto something else that's happening. I've got a

959
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: lot of friends who take issue with Jeff Bezos and

960
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: the way he runs his company and still buy from

961
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: Amazon because it's really convenient. It's like, you may say

962
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: that you want this, but like ultimately I'm stopping at

963
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: the chain gas stations because they're convenient. They're right here.

964
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: It's going to be clean, it's gonna need you know

965
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: this is contrary. Probably that everybody listened to this. But

966
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: I moved to a little town in Arkansas to raise

967
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: a family, to have a nice career opportunity. But I

968
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: would not have moved there had there not been a Walmart.

969
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I mean that seems kind of crazy.

970
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: If there hadn't have been up hut a Walmart, just

971
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: a couple of conveniences, I would have said, Hey, I'd

972
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: need this career opportunity. You guys can have it. So

973
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: uh Amazon, I mean they're putting people out of business,

974
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: but I mean it gives my family more money. I see,

975
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: stiff money live better. Yeah, you know, so so therefore

976
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: I can take a vacation. I can. And that's what

977
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: I think I'm trying to say, Like, I'm not anti modernization,

978
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't want anybody to ever get that idea,

979
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: even though they might be like think that. Like I

980
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: I love Walmart. I love going and buying cheap gas.

981
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: All that I think is interesting is understanding reading what's

982
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: happened and what we've given up for. This is just

983
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: just to map the change. Like I'm I'm with I

984
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. That's a great point because we're not. Yeah,

985
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want somebody to be confused and

986
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: think that we're trying to be like nostalgic for the past,

987
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: like I don't like doing. Like do you want to

988
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: go back to rotary dial landlines? Yeah, Like I'm cool

989
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: with it being and us having the Internet and social

990
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: media and being able to buy gas quick and not

991
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: have to go in and talk to someone for thirty minutes.

992
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: But maybe just throw a white tail inside, just put

993
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: a deer head in there, and I'll be fine. But

994
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: my my point in in in what's interesting about it

995
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: is just trying to map and understand where our society

996
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: has moved because you just wake up and you think

997
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: it's normal and you look back and be like, well

998
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: I used to be general stores and all this, and

999
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 1: then you you look at the oil industry, you look

1000
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: at social capital, and these ideas. Is just interesting. That's

1001
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: all I want to do. Like, yeah, I'm with you,

1002
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: And that's a great point. I'm glad you said that.

1003
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: Like I don't. I don't. I don't necessarily want to

1004
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: go back. I just want us to understand where we're

1005
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: at and then we can find you know, we don't

1006
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: have to build relationships at the gas station anymore. Like

1007
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: that is not a human necessity. It wasn't like in

1008
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: the beginning there was a gas station and that's where

1009
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: you went to get all your information and your gas.

1010
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: But we do have to build relationships somewhere try and

1011
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: I think that that's what And this is kind of

1012
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: We've talked to our kids a lot that we live

1013
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: our lives off of ancient principles that do not go

1014
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: out of style. There is no fad that is gonna

1015
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: The principles that we live our lives by are always

1016
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: going to be no matter what technology, no matter what

1017
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: technology comes. But we live a very modern lifestyle that's

1018
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: governed a very modern lifestyle that's governed by those ancient principles.

1019
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: And I think that that's the thing is we're not

1020
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: trying to just go back to And because I think Clay,

1021
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: you actually would you would prefer to live in a city,

1022
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: I mean a town that does not have a Walmart

1023
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: in it. That would be your preference. And as evidenced

1024
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: by the fact that we live in a town that

1025
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: does not have a Walmart in and that we've always

1026
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: I feel like we've gone out of our way to

1027
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: go to gas stations. I mean, Clay wants to go

1028
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: to a place that has characters. So I think you

1029
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: you definitely would. I would say, I hear what you're saying,

1030
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: and you don't want to go back, and you like

1031
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: your smartphone, but you also you like to take the kids.

1032
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: TikTok I mean, I mean it goes back to own TikTok.

1033
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: You know TikTok. I think that's a Chinese corporation. I

1034
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: got I asked him this last week. But bear grease,

1035
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: I mean you're all about that. The popularity of what

1036
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: you're doing is based on dun laps. I mean, who

1037
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: wants to kill a bear to get grease? I'd rather

1038
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: go to a store and buy Yeah, yeah, kill you

1039
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: too healthy. I think the themes that we always come

1040
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: back to are the things that have tension in them,

1041
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: and that's what you're discussing, like yeah, yeah, like just

1042
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: that tension of like the old meeting the new, the

1043
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: things that I like, meaning the new things that I like,

1044
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: and I think I think we're hanging out. Got to

1045
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: be aware, like it. It's just smart to just be

1046
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: aware and just understand stuff it's interesting and just put

1047
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: a dead gum deerhead in your guess station. Really, how

1048
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: hard is it actually? And one of my I'm going

1049
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: to say this, my favorite part was the guy who

1050
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: what was his name, Shaquille I wanted to bring up

1051
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: he was I love Sandra and I totally definitely the

1052
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: m v P. But Shaquille. I thought that was super

1053
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: cool because you kind of have this meeting of the

1054
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: world's where Shaquille clearly wasn't you know, his family origin

1055
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: is not yeah it's not Southeast Arkansas or southwest Oklahoma

1056
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: or wherever you were, but he he in a certain level,

1057
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, embrace there. You can see the cultures coming together.

1058
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: And I thought that was a super cool story that

1059
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: someone felt close enough to Shaquille to say, hey, I'd

1060
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: like to bring my beer head a store to to

1061
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: hang taxidermia. She likes the community aspect, and he's like,

1062
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 1: yep that yeah. Yeah. He was such a cool guy.

1063
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: He It was a neat old store he had, and

1064
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: I mean it was I mean, he wasn't trying to

1065
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: be cute by being a country store like. He had

1066
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: just a just enior store that he was just trying

1067
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: to make a living in. But it was a neat

1068
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: old building and turns out there's some history with that place.

1069
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: He said it had been there like eighty years or something.

1070
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: And we will suck in and it was a small

1071
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: There was one other person in there, and he was

1072
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: they were just he was talking to this guy. I

1073
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: think this guy had like a twenty four pack of beer,

1074
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: like at two o'clock in the afternoon, and he was

1075
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: sitting there talking to Shaquille, probably for later consumption. We

1076
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: it was hard to responsibly he was larder of but

1077
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: they were just talking this like they were best buddies,

1078
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: you know. And then I knew that a couple of

1079
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: these stories, I would walk in with my recorder and

1080
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: kind of just be like incognito. But I knew that

1081
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: I had to tell us about what we're doing. And

1082
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: so he was very interested in the Burger's podcast. He

1083
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: had me write it down on piece of paper and

1084
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: my and and I said, I'm gonna write my name

1085
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: and my phone number. I need to reach back out

1086
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: to him to see if he heard it. It was

1087
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: to me it was a highlight in the because it

1088
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: kind of to me, it's almost like in Shaquille's store,

1089
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: this tension that we're talking about was resolved. I mean,

1090
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: you you're clearly seeing a global universe and and I

1091
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: mean you're just seeing so many things. I have this

1092
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: on tape on tape on digital digital. H he when

1093
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: we were leaving, he said, he said, he said, what

1094
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: what good does this do people? To listen to yourself?

1095
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: And You're like, that's an excellent question. Like he was

1096
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: really processing because I was like, we're a hunting conservation

1097
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: like his history, apologies, crisis, and and we're wet, let

1098
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: me know, we want we're going to talk about deer

1099
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: heads and gas stations. And he was just like, huh,

1100
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: now what company is it that you work for? And

1101
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: then around said what He literally said, what what? What?

1102
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: What good would it do for someone to listen to

1103
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: this podcast? This is like the most genuine question. And

1104
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: I was like, well, actually, you know the hunting industry

1105
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: and that's a lot of people listening to the hunters.

1106
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: I said, it's actually a really huge industry in the

1107
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: United States. And he was like, oh yeah, oh yeah,

1108
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: he knew that, and uh and he just was puzzled. Man,

1109
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: he was just puzzled. But interesting. We could go with

1110
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: a royal up in his driveway, unannounced walk in with

1111
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: a deer head and said, hey, remember us, can we

1112
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: hang this in here? I promise you. We ought to

1113
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: go hang a deer head down. We ought to hang

1114
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: a deer head and Moyle's Oklahoma, I think it's Moyle's

1115
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, and we say every person that

1116
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: goes to that store because of bear grease, like will

1117
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: like give him something to take a picture. We ought

1118
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: to do that. I don't want to give up one

1119
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: of my deer heads. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

1120
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: It was. What was the name of the store, britting?

1121
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: I was I was wondering if maybe interest it like

1122
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: sponsoring a scholarship of sorts or something like that to

1123
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: someone who may have a gas station or maybe looking

1124
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: to open a gas station and uh need taxidermy. I

1125
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: think that there's there's uh there's there's a greater good

1126
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: to be done. That's the good that happens from listening

1127
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: to this. We're connecting gas stations with Hey, what about

1128
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: the shout out Miss Sandra gave to that one taxidermy.

1129
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: She's straight up just like, here's the guy period. The end.

1130
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: Let me is social capital right there exactly. He got

1131
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: an advertisement on beargreades that he knows what he would

1132
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: have to pay for that. Come on, let's just be

1133
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: functional social capital. Yeah, you go into places. In fact,

1134
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: I can think of several I won't mention them, and

1135
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: a couple of them are really good friends of mine.

1136
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: And I go, where's the dead come chairs around here?

1137
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to socialize people, And they go, we

1138
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: don't have chairs, and we don't want people coming in

1139
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: here to socialize, you know, And I'm really they don't.

1140
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: So it's more than like a gas station. Well, it's

1141
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: like a real good friend of ours and men that that,

1142
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, it's a great run place.

1143
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: It's clean, it's got nice restrooms, it's got great products.

1144
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: There's no chairs, Do your business and get out. So

1145
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: what what I'm saying, or what I'm thinking, is you

1146
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: can have all the deer heads in the world, but

1147
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: you've got to have good food, you gotta have places

1148
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,959
Speaker 1: to sit, you gotta have friendly people. Hey, what's going on, Billy?

1149
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: Don You gotta have two names? I mean, you know,

1150
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: two names. That's big and so. Yeah, So you can

1151
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: do that without deer heads, but it just happens. If

1152
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: you have that environment, you usually have some what we did,

1153
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, we could really dissect what we did. We

1154
01:06:55,240 --> 01:07:02,439
Speaker 1: used a a a almost a spurious correlation to try

1155
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: to draw conclusions about something much bigger. I mean, we

1156
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: realize deerheads do not mean that someone's gonna build social capital.

1157
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: There I am saying it. But it's a it's an indicator.

1158
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: It very strong. It could be an indicator of a time,

1159
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: a time past. I just don't understand why all these

1160
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: researchers that I've been they don't talk about not once

1161
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: the liberal media. Mr says, Dude, when you said chairs,

1162
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: I immediately saw the little booths red for mica benches

1163
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: with a wood grain table top, two of them, right

1164
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: in front of a window. I can't tell you how

1165
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: many gas stations I've seen that little styrofoam cups of coffee,

1166
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: old men in their overalls, one cup, one cup of coffee,

1167
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: one spit cup. Yep. Absolutely, That's kind of the story

1168
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: of my grandpa is like his truck he when he

1169
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: I had my nephew got the truck and I got

1170
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: in there and it just smelled like you. I mean,

1171
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: that's what it smelled like, the old spit cup. But

1172
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: we took him. He was he was dying, and we

1173
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: were trying to you know, we we knew he was

1174
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: gonna die. We were trying to get the kids these relationships.

1175
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: And we actually brought a video camera down because he

1176
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 1: was just a great storyteller and we wanted to hear

1177
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: him tell us stories. So that are and so I

1178
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: brought my kids down, my mom, all my kids sit

1179
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: in the room and we just asked him tell us

1180
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: this story too, and he loved it. And after it

1181
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: was over, we said, hey, we want to take you

1182
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: Let's and we named the steakhouse downtown or anywhere else

1183
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: you want to go, just name the place. And his

1184
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: he he was not like super close to even his

1185
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: own family, his immediate family, his own kids. I would

1186
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,440
Speaker 1: say he wasn't the best at building those kind of relationships.

1187
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: But that man ate out every single night of the week,

1188
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: and he built very deep relationships with those people. Are

1189
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: and I'm not kidding. I would grow up and go

1190
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: into a restaurant and he'd be there. And I always

1191
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 1: felt like the people waiting on him knew him a

1192
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: little bit better than I did, because he had like

1193
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: this routine. But anyway, really hurtful. It wasn't. He wanted

1194
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: to go to the Country Express. That was where That's

1195
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: where he wanted. And the steakhouse that we volunteered to

1196
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: take him to his next door and he's like, not

1197
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: much of Let's go to the Country Express. That's where

1198
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: I like to eat lunch on every Monday. He ate

1199
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: at that gas station and he knew everybody in there,

1200
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 1: and different people would come in, he tell us their

1201
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: story straight. People that were strangers to us would come

1202
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: in and they would stop and talk to him, and

1203
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: he would tell him, don't tell them I'm sick. It's like,

1204
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: you don't look well. You know, the businessman, not necessarily

1205
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: the businessman, the construction workers, you know, they had their

1206
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: favorite little places to go, the Country Express them. I mean,

1207
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,879
Speaker 1: it's just a gas station, has some nice booth and great, awesome,

1208
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: unbelievable food. It's a catfish, yeah, just barbecue, whatever you want.

1209
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 1: It's good, and you know it's it's it's it's one

1210
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: of these social capital deals. I go in there and

1211
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: I share what they're doing and projects their own and

1212
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: no deer heads though, mm hmm, sorry about that. But

1213
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: the further we got away from four lane highways, there's

1214
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 1: a guy. There's a direct correlation between deer heads and

1215
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: the number of lanes on the highway Roots sixty six.

1216
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: You think about it, we don't, you know, we don't

1217
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: leave dune laps. We don't leave all these places. We

1218
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: retain a few of them. You know, just is artifacts

1219
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: or whatever you wanna call it. I mean, but Roots

1220
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: sixty six, I mean people travel that thing every year

1221
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: to just stop in a little driving. Yeah, small gas stations,

1222
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean, so people learn how to make money off that.

1223
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: You know. You say, well, let's I think I can

1224
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: start attracting people. Hey, we'll close down here pretty quick.

1225
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,759
Speaker 1: Do you know where the Live Mountain Lion was? No question?

1226
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: I think about it every time I drive by. Yeah,

1227
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: then that was a gas station? Was it wasn't I'm

1228
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: fact checking myself. Yeah, what color? Was it? Jet black?

1229
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: Like a July night, I mean December night, nineteen seventy nine.

1230
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: One thing that came out of this was they did

1231
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 1: gum purple cougar, wasn't it? Hey, So I bleeped out

1232
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 1: the name of the small country gas station that didn't

1233
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: have deer heads. I leaped out the town, I leaped

1234
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: out everything because I didn't want to make them look bad.

1235
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure everyone who ever drives too there's going

1236
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: to know who. I mean, there was another one that

1237
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: I be out completely. So I didn't want I didn't.

1238
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: I didn't. We didn't want to do harm to these rights.

1239
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: We were so we were so impressed with the place

1240
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: I left the name in, even though we kind of

1241
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 1: got onto him for not having a deer. Yeah, yeah,

1242
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: I just kind of. I mean, they really went on.

1243
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: It was not Bary Grease sanction, but it would have

1244
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:06,719
Speaker 1: been Gary Newcom sanctions. Yeah. You probably could have played

1245
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: a round of golf in there. I don't know. It

1246
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: was good. It was a big it was a big store.

1247
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: Oklahoma knows how to do gas stations. They sure, man

1248
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 1: that chucked all travel plaza with a like hundred eight

1249
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: hundred nine. It may have been a dypical I mean

1250
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: it was straight up looked like a fence. It was.

1251
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't dress typically, but it was typical rack. It

1252
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: was a beautiful deer, Yeah, it was. It was man.

1253
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: Thanks guys. Man. Do we ever have some exciting Bearar

1254
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: Grease episodes coming up in the future. I'm not even

1255
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: gonna give any hints, but very excited. I'm pretty excited

1256
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: about what's coming up.