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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Jaguars Reporters podcast. Heading into Week twelve,

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Speaker 1: JP Shadwick, Ki Stevens, Ryan Sexson, John Osier the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: at seven and three in the Houston Texans at six

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Speaker 1: and four coming up at NRG Stadium. It's the first

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Speaker 1: time both teams have been over five hundred when playing

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Speaker 1: in November or December. Ever, how about that that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing because one team's been good for a while,

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Speaker 1: Brian and the other teams stunk or vice versa.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Jaguars have had some moments early on

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Speaker 2: when the Texans were an expansion team, but you're always

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Speaker 2: looking at the numbers on this one. The Texans have

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Speaker 2: won twelve of the last thirteen, seventeen at the last

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Speaker 2: twenty and twenty nine of forty three in the series.

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Speaker 2: So it's just been I've been saying Texans not Titans

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Speaker 2: all week long because the reality of it is, this

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Speaker 2: is the team that Jaguars fans should be most flummings by,

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Speaker 2: that they should love to hate, and if they don't already,

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Speaker 2: I think if this quarterback is as good as he looks,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna have plenty of opportunities in the future. It's

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Speaker 2: gonna be the rivalry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I guess maybe if the Jags lose this one,

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Speaker 3: I would feel like the Texans have some sort of number.

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Speaker 3: I just always believe with a lot of those streaks

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Speaker 3: and a lot of streets are bad in favor of

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Speaker 3: the opponent of the Jaguars, but they've been bad because

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Speaker 3: the Jaguars have been bad. I don't feel like this

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Speaker 3: because the Texans are are pretty good, and so I

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Speaker 3: think if the Jaguars play their game this week, if

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Speaker 3: they play smart, I think they win the game.

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Speaker 4: Guy, I hope the fans are enjoying the fact that

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Speaker 4: there's another really good team we thought these rookie quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: were going to in the division. We're gonna take a

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Speaker 4: long time to get to that point where they'd be

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Speaker 4: competing with Trevor Lawrence, and maybe fans are mad about it,

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Speaker 4: but it's gonna be such a good show to see c. J.

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Speaker 4: Stroud if he continues to progress the way we expect

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Speaker 4: him to and Trevor Lawrence to go up head to

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Speaker 4: head for years to come. These are the matchups that

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Speaker 4: we used to have with quarterbacks in the same division

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Speaker 4: going against each other. Those are the ones you're gonna remember.

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Speaker 1: And we certainly remember Week three when they came in

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Speaker 1: here and dominated all three phases of the game. Kai

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Speaker 1: and Jaguars couldn't figure out what was going on. There

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Speaker 1: was a lot of concern around this team after Week three. Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's take the show international, Let's see what happens over

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Speaker 1: in London. Well, lo and behold. They won five straight

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Speaker 1: after that game and got some things figured out, But

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Speaker 1: that Week three game is always there in the back

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Speaker 4: It feels like definitely a wake up call game. That's

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Speaker 4: how the team has been using it. But they made

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Speaker 4: a lot of mistakes. They made a lot of silly mistakes,

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Speaker 4: and when you look back at it, it seems like

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Speaker 4: they beat themselves to a certain degree. The Texans took

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Speaker 4: full advantage of the opportunities given to them, but a

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Speaker 4: lot of silly Jaguars mistakes. I remember thinking on it.

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Speaker 4: Every phase of football they were making some sort of

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Speaker 4: a error. Obviously, that ridiculous kick return by the full back,

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Speaker 4: we all remember that one was kind of the chairy, heaviest,

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Speaker 2: We're player to ever return a kickoff for a touchdown

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Speaker 2: and that was your mental history.

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Speaker 4: That was the chair on top of that day. So

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Speaker 4: if they can hopefully avoid that, I would imagine it'll

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Speaker 2: Evan Ingrad told me yesterday that the Jaguars still have

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Speaker 2: to figure out how to be the hunted instead of

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Speaker 2: by this point, which is what week twelve, game eleven,

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Speaker 2: that they had figured out how to go and play

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Speaker 2: when you know that everybody's giving you their best and

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Speaker 2: in the division, that's what you're going to get. Now,

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Speaker 2: the Titans didn't have a best to give. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's not a very good football team. But this Texans

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Speaker 2: will be that place. It's football time in Houston. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they'll be playing that son of a gun, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Jaguars have to figure out how to be a

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Speaker 2: division leader. And I mean, John, you covered a division

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Speaker 3: It's the biggest game in Houston's the NFL game in

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Speaker 3: I just keep going back.

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Speaker 2: If the Jaguars play the way they.

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Speaker 3: Did against Tennessee, and I get Tennessee was not a

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Speaker 1: And that's what Trevor Lawrence not putting up astronomic cool numbers.

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Speaker 1: He had a fine game obviously last week two touchdown passes.

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Speaker 1: He used his legs twice to get to each pylon

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Speaker 1: for two more rushing scores and in what two sixties

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wonder. I don't think this is a

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Speaker 3: But he does seem to sort of tap into his

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Speaker 2: You remember last year in Lost Angelus, he rolled out

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Speaker 2: I do think that when he is moving, he feels good.

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Speaker 2: Here he's looking to the right JP and he starts

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Speaker 2: and he said, I'm gonnaut run. Jeffrey Simmons, You're right.

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Speaker 2: Superpower is the way he feels like he's the best

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Speaker 4: I know John didn't love the diving for the pylon

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Speaker 3: Well, I just know that in the long run, that

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Speaker 3: Bill Belichick forbids his players to do it, and so

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Speaker 3: it scares me a little bit. At some point we're

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Speaker 4: Looked really smart. Could it work because it worked. When

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Speaker 4: But I think for me as well, we talked a

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Speaker 4: He's been running pre kind of knee injury, even a

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Speaker 2: That's a great example of the fourth down play because

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna take it and go. We've seen Trevor

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought the other day. I think the difference

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Speaker 1: coaching matchup, and our final thoughts. It's Jaguars Reporters. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the Jaguars Reporters podcast. GP Shadow, John Oserbrian Sexson,

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Speaker 1: Kay Stevens, the Jaguars and the Texans coming up this

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Speaker 1: Sunday at NRG Stadium in Houston and the coaching matchup

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Speaker 1: to look forward to. Doug Peterson of course has this

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Speaker 1: coach Damiko Ryans. We saw him obviously in Week three

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Speaker 4: It's just impressive to see what he's been able to

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Speaker 4: do with the roster that he has, because if you

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Speaker 4: look at it on paper, you're like, how is he

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Speaker 4: And I think John You've said this before, that confidence

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Speaker 4: also obviously CJ. Stroud doing what he's done in limited

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just believe coaching in the NFL is ninety

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Speaker 3: five percent culture. I hate that that word, but you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about building that and getting your players to

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Speaker 3: that much like last year when you walked around this

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is how it's supposed to be. This is

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Speaker 3: You get the idea that they're walking around Houston saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: football is fun, let's go play. I believe in this guy.

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Speaker 3: Think this is going to be probably for within reason,

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Speaker 3: as long as these two guys want to coach, they're

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Speaker 2: Well, Sunday's game is not quite Eagles Chiefs, right, but

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Speaker 2: it's probably the big game of Sunday, And it's deluded

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Speaker 2: Day in the Black Friday game this week, but it's

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Speaker 2: maybe the coach of the year with the offensive rookie

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Speaker 2: good as the Jaguars. That plays hard. I mean, Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Greenard has seven sacks. I mean last year, the guy

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Speaker 1: Jack Sexan's coming up Sunday. Between now and then it's Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: So what is the Thanksgiving food you're most looking forward

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Speaker 2: John?

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Speaker 3: Oh, my wife makes a very good squashed cast role,

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Speaker 3: which is better than it sounds. It's very very good.

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Speaker 3: I would have never thought growing up. Boy, I can't

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Speaker 4: But it just great. I believe that we think, I think.

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Speaker 4: I know there's some debate about this. Mac and cheese

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Speaker 4: is the best part of Thanksgiving because the best part

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Speaker 4: of every meal. But I know some people don't have.

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Speaker 2: That orders japing it should be a part of every meal.

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Speaker 4: I think mac and cheese is my favorite but I

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want Thanksgiving with either one of you guys,

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Speaker 2: because I don't like squash or mac and cheese. I

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Speaker 2: like to cook. I'm not the eater. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: the answer the question I like to cook. I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do two turkeys. I'm gonna do one in

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Speaker 2: gonna fry it, and then I'm gonna do one on

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Speaker 2: my smoker. And I just love the whole process. It's

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Speaker 2: my favorite holiday. I get up early, I open a

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Speaker 3: I get up early, open a beer, I don't cook it.

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Speaker 2: Turn on the TV.

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Speaker 1: It's about it. Let's see how about you.

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Speaker 2: You can answer the green bean cast roles.

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Speaker 1: Probably you're one of those two. I am one of those.

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Speaker 1: I also like the dressing, especially if you're can get

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Speaker 1: oysters in it. But they aren't going to be serving

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Speaker 1: that in Detroit.

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Speaker 2: That's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, the green Bean Castle, maybe a turkey like

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Speaker 1: and then and then the leftovers are sometimes better than the.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the next couple of days.

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Speaker 2: With a lot of butter on the Raywine rolls, got them.

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Speaker 1: I'm hungry, John Oser, Ryan sext and Kay Stevens. Happy

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving on j P. Shadwick. Will catch you next time

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