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Speaker 1: Welcome to the best podcast available Training Campetition. Here are

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Speaker 1: your hosts, Jason Gibbs, Andrew Gribble and Nick Shook. Welcome

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Speaker 1: into Maria, home of the Cleveland Browns. Another training camp

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Speaker 1: in the books, one more to go before we spend

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Speaker 1: the week in Indianapolis. I'm Jason Gibbs, He's Nick Shook,

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Speaker 1: He's Andrew Gribble. The hats on the hat will stay on.

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Speaker 1: We still have a few more weeks of training camp.

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Speaker 1: A Saturday afternoon mattenee for the fans, and um, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting back to business today a little bit uh more

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Speaker 1: like we've seen in the previous nine practices prior to

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Speaker 1: yesterday obviously day after the game, Gribble takeaway from you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was definitely a physical practice and there were some

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Speaker 1: periods of tackling to the ground and there was a

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Speaker 1: moment I don't know what app but it was like

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Speaker 1: a collision, hard collision between Ernest Johnson and Greedy Williams

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Speaker 1: out there that it was called holding, but they negated

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Speaker 1: whatever it was because they kept playing right from that spot.

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Speaker 1: So it was interesting, but it was it was a

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Speaker 1: physical practice and I think that they go into this

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Speaker 1: day off that's what you kind of like to do,

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Speaker 1: and then you'll kind of come in here for Monday,

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Speaker 1: you know, have a practice. Then maybe you'll walk through Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: and then you're off to Indian h that's where it'll

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Speaker 1: get started. Freddie did just mentioned before we started taping.

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Speaker 1: They probably are not gonna be tackling to the ground

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Speaker 1: and Indie, so it's gonna be physical over there. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna be in pads, but no tackling to the ground

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Speaker 1: until the game. I'll be interested to see how fast

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Speaker 1: these guys adjust mentally to tackling into the ground versus

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Speaker 1: not tackling to the ground. Not that it's that difficult

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Speaker 1: that mentality, it's a little bit harder to shake it.

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Speaker 1: And they were doing it a lot today. I mean

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Speaker 1: there were times where I saw a couple of collisions,

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Speaker 1: are a couple of tackles where I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, there was a Jarvis got

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Speaker 1: kind of tackled by two guys at once as he

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Speaker 1: hit the ground, and he did a good job protecting

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Speaker 1: his body. But on that collision that you mentioned, I

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Speaker 1: think it was a helmet to helmet that they might

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Speaker 1: have been throwing the flag for I thought they I

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Speaker 1: thought they had did a holding signal and then people

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Speaker 1: were just like what it was definitely an excellent it

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Speaker 1: look it looked like something went wrong, like the way

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Speaker 1: they collided with no one having the ball, like that

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Speaker 1: doesn't usually happen. But yeah, that that was the most

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Speaker 1: physical moment of camp today. And I was just like

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Speaker 1: an eye opener. It might have been the best hit

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Speaker 1: jumping up a little bit. So it's good to see. Well,

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Speaker 1: and again, if they're not gonna be tackling to the

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Speaker 1: ground on Wednesday and on Thursday, then it makes sense

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Speaker 1: that today and maybe even Monday, we're going to see

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Speaker 1: a little bit more physical practices. Yeah, get them ready,

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Speaker 1: I mean that. I mean, they've got this game Saturday.

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Speaker 1: But it was interesting when I was talking to someone

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Speaker 1: before the before we taped, It's weird just how you

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Speaker 1: watch these practices after a game, like it's it's almost

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Speaker 1: like these practices do mean a lot, but like once

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Speaker 1: we saw a game, it's like that's how it's It's

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Speaker 1: like I'm looking at everything a little differently. I'm not

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Speaker 1: maybe over analyzing some things a little bit more, but

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Speaker 1: it really the practices really aren't any different, but it's

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Speaker 1: just the way you take these things in are just

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Speaker 1: so much different. You've seen this team on the field

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Speaker 1: for a game, Yeah, and I think it's encouraging. Um

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Speaker 1: that they're playing on Thursday night was very encouraging, and

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Speaker 1: it also makes it You're right, you take I think

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Speaker 1: put less weight into every rep because you know, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, despite all the ups and downs we saw

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Speaker 1: in this camp so far, they came out they looked

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Speaker 1: pretty darn good on Thursday night, so you know, you

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Speaker 1: hope that they can continue. They'll get a good test

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Speaker 1: next week when they go against a team that didn't

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Speaker 1: win its division but won a wild card spot and

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Speaker 1: definitely a good litmus test for this team so far. Well,

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Speaker 1: and a team with expectations, and I don't think you're

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Speaker 1: the only one in the preseason that has legitimate expectations.

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Speaker 1: So what was your takeaway from today? Uh? Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: for one, the kicking game was solid, you know, for

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Speaker 1: the first time I think all of camp. Austin Cyber

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Speaker 1: hit four of his five field goals, including from fifty

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Speaker 1: a perfect five for five, also hitting from fifty three yards,

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Speaker 1: and each of them hit their situational kicks in a

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Speaker 1: period at the end of practice. So very encouraging to see,

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Speaker 1: not the most trying conditions. You know, it wasn't really

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Speaker 1: to see them execute when they need to. Taking a

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Speaker 1: look at the rest of practice and everything else from

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Speaker 1: the day. Uh, both of you mentioned I came in,

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Speaker 1: I said if you had to give a game ball

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Speaker 1: Terrence Mitchell. So obviously the dB continues to impress. He

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Speaker 1: just played really well. And I think that it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting dilemma that they have on their hands, especially if

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Speaker 1: during from dayne Walker to day that Greedy, Mitchell and

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Speaker 1: Ward they're all outside corners. He's not talking about them

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Speaker 1: I think that's that's why t J. Kerrey is is

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Speaker 1: been playing a lot of Eric Murray in the slot

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Speaker 1: how they use that. So that really, to me tells

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Speaker 1: me it's more of a competition than we've been maybe

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Speaker 1: it's usually number thirty nine breaking it up. So that's

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Speaker 1: been good, But yeah, it's really intrigued. I think it

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Speaker 1: adds intrigue to how the the safeties and the cornerbacks,

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Speaker 1: in terms of roster construction, how many will be kept

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Speaker 1: we'll have to wait and see, but it's something that

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Speaker 1: we should continue to monitor for sure. Uh, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Was there anything he talked today Ryan Linley? Uh, the

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Speaker 1: to the podium, had an extensive conversation with the media today.

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Speaker 1: Anything that stood out from either one of those guys

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Speaker 1: um effusive in his praise for Baker Mayfield. But it

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Speaker 1: wasn't um. It wasn't like, you know, contrived or you know,

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Speaker 1: He said, he feels like he's lucky with the room

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Speaker 1: And he also mentioned how, you know, Garrett may not

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Speaker 1: And he also said, you know, he relates to his

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Speaker 1: an interesting look inside that room because you know, you

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Speaker 1: and there's David Blow, and Blow had a really nice

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Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder. But he has, like it

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Speaker 1: as from a cornerback standpoint, I'm not saying he's out

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Speaker 1: think Dwayne Walker echoed that. Yeah, the whole tackling thing,

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Speaker 1: I think we could put that to bed. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean there's just there's just not Yeah, there's not. He

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Speaker 1: of well, why can't you tackle? Are you afraid to hit?

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Speaker 1: That guy's not afraid to hit? Definitely not. No, got

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Speaker 1: right in there. Uh. Switching back to the offense, Kareem

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts. Freddy was asked about that after practice today

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Speaker 1: and it it it sounds like it's trending in that direction.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the way Freddy is, he's not committing anyone,

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