1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: my name is Noel. 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joy das always with our 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 3: are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: you to know. And folks, friends and neighbors. Before we 11 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 3: begin tonight's episode, as we record on Monday, December fifteenth, 12 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 3: we want to take a moment that we don't always do, 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: to remember the tragic events of this past weekend, to 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: hold space for the victims of the Brown shooting and 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: for the profound losses of the Reiner family. We have 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 3: received a lot of correspondents about this. We were in 17 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 3: contact loosely with each other, and while we respect the 18 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: privacy of the family at this time, it's a great 19 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: loss for the world. Yeah. 20 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 4: I mean, as the one person I think we've ever 21 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 4: spoken to that I genuinely got starstruck and fan boyd about. 22 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 4: And they also just did not disappoint just as genuine 23 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 4: and kind and generous a person as anyone might think 24 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 4: he was. 25 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely and in his honor, we've decided we're going to 26 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: republish our interview with him for the podcast Who Killed 27 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: JFK that he worked really hard on with a big 28 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: old team there with solidad O'Brien and folks that we 29 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: know here at iHeart, and we just think it's worth 30 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: our time to go back and listen. We've already listened 31 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: to it here, you know, on the home front, We've 32 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: already gone back through and just to remember him, and 33 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: just to remember I don't know how good of a 34 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: guy he seemed, just in that brief hour that we 35 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: got to spend with. 36 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: Him, and we more importantly think it's worth your time, folks. 37 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: As Matt is alluding to, we interviewed Rob back in 38 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Beyond his many accolades as a writer, director, actor, producer, 39 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: he was, as you said, no, genuinely kind and brilliant man, 40 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: cared deeply about the world his craft, cared deeply about others. 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: So our hearts go out to everyone who has lost 42 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 3: a loved one in his processing tragedy. Please be safe, folks, 43 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 3: This is not a hallmark statement, remember that you are 44 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 3: not alone now. 45 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 4: And then also just a quick mention and thought going 46 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: out to our Australian listeners dealing with the horrific tragedy 47 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 4: attack on the Jewish community near in Bondi Beach. 48 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 3: And with this we are going to continue the show. 49 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: We are always here for anybody who wants to reach 50 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 3: out conspiracydiheartradio dot com. We're recording again on Monday, December fifteenth, 51 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: and we're returning to one of our long standing fascinations. 52 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: So way back in earlier evenings when we first started 53 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 3: this show, and we're convinced we would get in big trouble, right. 54 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: Our very first video was, by the way, about the 55 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: JFK assassination, But we were also interested in something that 56 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: everyone has in common, the weather. Right look up there 57 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: in the sky. What's that weird thing? Could you change 58 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 3: the weather? Could you in engineering? Could you see the cloud? 59 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: How do we make small talk if there wasn't the 60 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 4: weather to talk about? You know? But if you want 61 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 4: to take that a little further with people on the 62 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 4: leve they're ask them what they think about weather modification. 63 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 64 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: One of our first seven videos I think was on chemtrails, right, 65 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: So that was along with water fluoridation Edward Burnet's Tesla. 66 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: They're like some of the earliest things that, yeah, some 67 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: of the earliest topics that we were ever fascinated by 68 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 2: because there have been actual there when we ask about 69 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: is there sand to something? Right, there is sand to 70 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 2: weather modification and to giant plans to do some pretty 71 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: crazy stuff in the geoengineering field here on planet Earth. 72 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 4: Well, even if you just look at the parlor trick 73 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 4: aspect of it that we've seen countries do for kind 74 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 4: of displays of national prowess or whatever. Was it China 75 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 4: Ben that did a cloud seating demonstration as part of 76 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 4: the Olympics. 77 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: Yes, during the two thousand and eight Olympics, he in China. 78 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: You know, when we first began investigating these ideas of 79 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 3: cloud seeding, weather modification, solar geoengineering another term, I think 80 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 3: it's fair to say that we came into that with 81 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: open minds and more than a wheelbarrow of skepticism. However, 82 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: as we discovered there's more than a grain of truth 83 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: to some of this stuff. There's so much in fact 84 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: that we could not let twenty five pass us by 85 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: without returning to the wide world of cloud seeding, geoengineering, 86 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 3: the human civilizations that said, hey, if we did wreck 87 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 3: the planet, maybe we're the ones who can fix it, 88 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: And this becomes I love the point you may know 89 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: about how it used to be small talk to mention 90 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 3: the weather, but now that weather may indeed be weaponized, 91 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 3: the global ecosystem, the sphere has coming chaotic, and more 92 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: and more folks are not asking about the weather as 93 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 3: small talk. They're asking about the weather because they're worried. 94 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 3: And as we are going to see in tonight's episode, 95 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: more and more powerful forces are trying, for better or 96 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: for worse, to influence. 97 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 2: It because it would cost way too much money to 98 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: stop putting all the crap into the atmosphere that's causing 99 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: the whole global warming climate change thing. Instead, let's, uh, 100 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: why don't we try the matrix that worked out well? 101 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, Like, as we said, we're going to see 102 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 3: a lot of harm. Harump, harumph, something must be done 103 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: and a lot of what if? What if? What if? 104 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 4: Oh, Matt, are you suggesting we do the matrix? 105 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 2: I'm suggesting there are people suggesting we do the matrix. 106 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 4: Okay, we can put a pin in that for now. 107 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,559 Speaker 3: And they've seen the matrix, and that's our gold open 108 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 3: or a warm open. I'm doing climate change jokes. Here 109 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: are some goods, products and services. As our friend Robert 110 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 3: Evans likes to say, here are the facts. All right. Look, 111 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 3: we got a Bob Dylan quote that I think stays 112 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: with a lot of us. You don't need a weatherman 113 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: to know which way the wind blows. Shout out to 114 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: subterranean homesick blues. If you are human, you gotta admit 115 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: we still don't really understand the weather. And I don't 116 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: want us to irritate any of our fellow conspiracy realists 117 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: in the crowd who might happen to be meteorologist, because 118 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: that that can be really annoying to them. I think 119 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: we should explain what we mean by quote not understanding 120 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: the weather? 121 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 4: Well, sure, I mean science has definitely made some advances 122 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 4: in our lifetimes, even in terms of the ability to 123 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: pull out patterns and use veryarious pieces of equipment to 124 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 4: measure the weather, to look at various movements of the weather, 125 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: and hopefully to do some reasonably well informed predicting of 126 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 4: the weather, making humanity at least a little bit more 127 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 4: prepared than in times past to deal with natural disasters, 128 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 4: you know, things like absolutely catastrophic weather events. 129 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, to deal with them if they existed at their baseline, right, 130 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 3: which is changing. We still don't as a civilization understand 131 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 3: the entirety of how this global interconnected system functions internally. 132 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: And cloud seating is a great example of this. How 133 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: would we explain cloud seating to anyone who has never 134 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: heard of this? 135 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 2: You spray some aerosolized silver iodide and or other stuff 136 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 2: into where clouds are forming as a way to either 137 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: get those clouds to drop their precipitation early, or to 138 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: drop their precipitation in a different spot than where they 139 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: would naturally right. So that's why it's more of a 140 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: modification than a control, which is interesting because you're not 141 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: fully controlling what clouds are doing when you see them, 142 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: You're just modifying them. 143 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: Is scientists theorized about the ability to modify weather patterns 144 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: in local and then regional levels, and their whole goal 145 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 3: was to increase precipitation. It goes this pursuit goes all 146 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: the way back to the late eighteen hundreds. Also, by 147 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: the way, Dylan, I don't know if we have a 148 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,479 Speaker 3: sound queue for this. But word of the day nephology, 149 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 3: not nephrology, which is the study of kidneys, But nephology 150 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: is the study of clouds. 151 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 4: That's so poetic, and not phrenology, which also kind of 152 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 4: your brain tends to jump to, which is what the outdated, 153 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 4: antiquated and inherently racist study of the bumps on people's heads. 154 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: And there's nothing wrong with studying bumps on a skull, 155 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with looking at clouds on the sky. 156 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: The questions become complicated when you start to draw unfounded 157 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 3: conclusions or confirmation biased from those right. Ah, thanks man. 158 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: So in the nineteen forties we got these two scientists 159 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: from General Electric who proved the concept of cloud seeding conclusively, 160 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: and like Matt was saying, they increase the amount of 161 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 3: particles in certain areas of the atmosphere. And when they 162 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 3: put you know, dry ice or what we say earlier 163 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 3: silver iod diet, that's a popular one. They put it 164 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 3: out in the sky and this allowed water vapor in 165 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: a cloud to condense and then form a greater concentration 166 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 3: of ice crystals or rain drops. Essentially, because I know 167 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: we're all in love with this word, they were goosing 168 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,359 Speaker 3: the clouds. They were juicing the clouds. 169 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the example you gave earlier nol in China 170 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: when the Olympics were there time ago, the attempt there 171 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: was to make it rain before that rain got to Beijing, 172 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: which was like the whole point, or to make the 173 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: snow and everything else fall in places where it wouldn't 174 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: affect the city. So they're goosing them the clouds and 175 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: formations before they get to a target. 176 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: And again that's an advance of the two thousand and 177 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: eight Olympics. But in the decades since, right the twenties 178 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: and the forties, countries across the planet have been not 179 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 3: only experimenting with, but actively implementing cloud seeding programs, and 180 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 3: they're doing it generally in a defensive way, to combat drought, 181 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: get rid of fog around airports, to try to stop 182 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: hailstones from breaking people's car shields, to weaken hurricanes, which 183 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 3: is amazing, and of course to increase snowfall. 184 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 4: That talk of weakening hurricanes piques my interest because it 185 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 4: always seems to it seems to be something some kind 186 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 4: of a high in the sky suggestion that we could 187 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 4: potentially break up hurricanes before they get bad. But doesn't 188 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 4: seem like that's really on the table exactly. 189 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: Not yet, because it's very much an imperfect science. Imagine 190 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 3: imagine that you had a piece of wood about the 191 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: size of an iPhone, and then you invented a chainsaw, 192 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: and you said, I'm gonna learn how to whittle. People 193 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 3: don't understand what's happening. Also, the neat thing about that 194 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: analogy is the reverse works as well. As Imagine you 195 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: had a piece of wood the size of the planet, 196 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: and then you invented a tidy little chainsaw, but you 197 00:12:55,160 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: didn't know what it was cutting. That's unfortunately accurate. The 198 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: issue is, of course, going back to our old analogy, 199 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: the Sorcerer's Apprentice Fantasia. The issue with cloud seating is 200 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 3: that the moisture comes from somewhere else, it's not created 201 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: out of whole cloth. This means that cloud seating past 202 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: a certain threshold can have serious adverse effects on other areas. 203 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 3: We cannot current civilization can not fully predict those effects, 204 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: and current civilization does not know whether those knock on 205 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 3: effects will have a snowball result or create a feedback 206 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: loop of very nasty, non ideal stuff. Well, it is. 207 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 4: They're very complex systems with a lot of variables and 208 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 4: a lot of moving parts far flung from one another. 209 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 4: That can you know, change in the system over here 210 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 4: can impact changing the system way, you know, on the 211 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 4: other side of the country. Even so, it's really hard 212 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 4: to predict exactly where all those pieces are gonna fall 213 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 4: at any given time. 214 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: Again, we can't predict, right. We're the kids who said, oh, 215 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: here's a way to automate the cleaning, right, here's a 216 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: way to automate the mitigation of the consequences of previous actions, 217 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: And now all of a sudden, we're in a fantasia situation. 218 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: Never want to be in one of those. 219 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: I like the what's that guy's name? Not Borlog, you know, 220 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: the the right the Halloween night mountain thing that seemed cool, 221 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 3: But yeah, no one really wants to be in that situation. 222 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 3: And that's why there are so many technologies proliferating under 223 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: this umbrella of what we would call geoengineering or particularly 224 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: solar engineering. And we'll get to some more of those 225 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: later in tonight's episode, But you got I think one 226 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: of the things we have to note is that there 227 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: is a gap between public understanding of the weather and 228 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 3: scientific understanding of the same phenomena, Like, have you ever 229 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 3: watched the news or pulled up a report where you 230 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: see a very confident meteorologist say, oh, there's only a 231 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: fifteen percent chance of raining in your zip code, and 232 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: you look outside and it's absolutely buckets, it's a deluge. 233 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 234 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 4: She makes me think back to the plot of Curb 235 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 4: Your Enthusiasm episode where they accuse the weather man of 236 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 4: falsely predicting the rain so that he can have the 237 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 4: golf course to himself. No meteorologists worth there, I had 238 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: died salt would do anything of the sort that is 239 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 4: absolutely reprehensible behavior. 240 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: Well, well, yeah, let's speak on this back to basics 241 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: and the understanding of weather patterns and stuff. I happen 242 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: to have a couple ten year olds in my house 243 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: who have been learned about the weather in school, right, 244 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: And that goes back to the different types of clouds, 245 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: how what altitude certain types of clouds form at, and 246 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: that is it actually has a lot to do with 247 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: today's episode because this concept of cloud scening that we 248 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: just talked about in the next one, that we're going 249 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: to talk about the difference between contrails and chemtrails, which 250 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: are both real things. It's just you know, the chemtrails 251 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: thing has gotten a little out of hand, but they 252 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: all occur. These things occur theoretically at the altitudes where 253 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: clouds are going to form, right, And as we talked 254 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: about before on our gosh, I can't remember the name 255 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: of the episode, but the one about the nuclear apocalypse 256 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: and what would happen if we ever did get into 257 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: some kind of global scale nuclear warfare. 258 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: Check it out. 259 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 4: I want to brighten up your day. 260 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we talked about how the clouds formed by 261 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: nuclear explosions travels so much higher in altitude than regular 262 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: clouds that that's why they're a problem, right, And we 263 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: just saw on the news of volcanic eruption that shot 264 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: stuff you know, matter ash and all that stuff well 265 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 2: above the levels of cloud formation. So like, this is 266 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: the stuff that's super dangerous. But that doesn't mean you 267 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 2: can't still do things like keem trails to the clouds themselves, 268 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: or even to cover within the clouds. 269 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, this idea again going back to the gap 270 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 3: between public understanding and the weather and a scientific understanding 271 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: of the same phenomena. It shows us why it's such 272 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 3: a trope for people to doubt their local weather reporter, 273 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 3: and I love that shout out to curb your enthusiasm. 274 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: And there is no better example of this, as we're saying, 275 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 3: than the argument around contrails versus chem trails. We've explored 276 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: this in the past and at length in our books, 277 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 3: So quick recap. Con Trails normal clouds of ice crystals 278 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: formed because hot gas comes from the exhaust of a 279 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 3: plane's engines. It meets water vapor that is present in 280 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 3: the super dups cold air of the upper atmosphere. Contrails 281 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 3: dissipate within moments or stay around for hours, and it 282 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 3: all depends on the temperature and humidity of the plane's altitude. Now, 283 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 3: human civilization knew about this since the nineteen twenties. Right, 284 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 3: M trails ch M trails are a conspiracy theory according 285 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: to the lore, not garden variety ice crystals. Instead, they're 286 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 3: full of chemicals that the insert government here is dispersing 287 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 3: for any nefarious purpose, sometimes to alter the weather, sometimes 288 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 3: to affect human bodies and minds. 289 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: You know. 290 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 4: And this isn't to be confused with like chemicals that 291 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 4: maybe you know, crop dusters, or like lower flying airplanes 292 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 4: might disperse you know, for pest control purposes, sure, fertilizer 293 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 4: what have you, which also have their own of badgeres 294 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 4: wrapped up in them. But these are, to Matt's point, 295 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 4: trails that would be dispersed theoretically at the same altitude 296 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 4: as clouds are forming. 297 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: Yes, theoretically that that is the concept. And it's a 298 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: really good example there knowll of you know thinking about 299 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: this as crop dusting, but just happening way way, way 300 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: way up in the atmosphere and the crops in this case, 301 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 2: in the theory are you. 302 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 3: I'd like everybody to check out our serious, provable research 303 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 3: into things like operation large area coverage, which inspires a 304 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 3: lot of the ideas. And I agree with you though 305 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: that that crop dusty analogy is perfect, and Matt, I 306 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 3: like the way you spun that as well. The issue 307 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 3: with these the kim trail contral thing. The reason we're 308 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 3: bringing this up is that just like the moisture and 309 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 3: cloud seeding, these conspiratorial ideas about people futzing with the weather, 310 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 3: they don't come from nowhere, because weather is you reversal. 311 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 3: Humans can all witness the weather. It affects everyone. It 312 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 3: is of continual concern and if we add to that 313 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 3: later declassified evidence shows that world governments have in fact 314 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: conspired to influence the weather multiple times throughout history, and 315 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: get those folks. They continue to do so today. Whether 316 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 3: modification is real, Jewish space lasers are not. And I 317 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 3: feel like us, being located in our fair metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia, 318 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 3: I feel like we have to say we do not 319 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: officially co sign the statements of politician Marjorie Taylor Green right. 320 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: No, but space lasers are real. 321 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 3: Yes, space are real from Elmus from earlier and a 322 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 3: lot of other research. 323 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a bunch of private companies that are 324 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: attempting to put that stuff up there and targeted energy 325 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 2: weapons and adding defensive measures to us stuff that's float 326 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: around in space. It's getting real warry up there, guys. 327 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: And here's hoping the Space Treaty holds. The thing about 328 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 3: weather modification is yeah, it is true. But the capabilities 329 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: of these technologies, I think we can agree. For a 330 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 3: long time they were overstated. There were these fears of 331 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 3: big government, illuminati, end of the world, doomsday weather scenarios 332 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 3: that often turned out to be fanciful tall tales. You know, 333 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 3: there was flimsy if any evidence. But that's the case 334 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 3: so far. I mean, we do have these two proven axioms. 335 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: Weather systems are changing, science and technology are evolving at 336 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 3: a breakneck bace, Like, can we all agree that those 337 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: two things are true? 338 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 4: I think so we can also maybe agree on being 339 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 4: true is the fact that along with those things changing, 340 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 4: other's changing too, Like certain patterns that were once maybe 341 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 4: more predictable are becoming a bit less predictable. I don't 342 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 4: think that's controversial to say, what do you guys think? 343 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely not, absolutely not. And there's a real fear about 344 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 2: the changing climate and what it's going to do to 345 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 2: all of humanity. And there are people with lots of 346 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: money who are in charge of huge corporations, mostly in 347 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: the energy sector, that are getting into some pretty weird 348 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 2: concepts about what we might be able to do with 349 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: this whole weather modification slash geoengineering thing. 350 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, experts around the world largely agree the clock is ticking. 351 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: Humanities driving the car like mad right over a cliff 352 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: disaster is no longer a question of if, but when. 353 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 3: The cool axiom, the second axiom that may potentially save 354 00:22:54,720 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 3: this endeavor is science and technology evolving at a breakneck pace. 355 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 3: Humanity is throwing so much brain power and funding into 356 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 3: at times unorthodox methods of corrallying ecosystemic chaos out of 357 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: these off kilter weather patterns, trying to save it. So 358 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 3: the question becomes, if civilization caused the issue in the 359 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: first place, shouldn't civilization also be hopefully able to provide 360 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 3: some solutions. It's therefore logical for us all to assume 361 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 3: together that there has been a ton of strange work 362 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 3: going into this, and folks, to be honest with you, 363 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 3: that assumption is correct. 364 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 4: And we will jump right into that after a quick 365 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 4: word from our sponsor. 366 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy, all right, Modern humanity futs 367 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 3: in with the weather for a long time. It's an 368 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: old obsession. You remember, back when there would be south 369 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: Sayers and Shamans and dowsers and what is it? The 370 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 3: cloudbuster guy, Oregone Guy, the. 371 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 4: Right cloudbusting daddy, Hey Bush. We did an episode about 372 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 4: a dude that did like a hoax or he was 373 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 4: sort of like a fly by night guy that came 374 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 4: to town somewhere in the Midwest when it was enduring, 375 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 4: I believe, the dust bowl and then claimed that he 376 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 4: could make it rain and there was a tie in 377 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 4: with Oregon Energy and all of that stuff. I just 378 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 4: remember discussing that. I couldn't quite google it up, though, 379 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 4: but I'm gonna I'm gonna look into it because I 380 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 4: know we definitely did an episode a ridiculous history about 381 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 4: this sort of like weird dude that came to town, 382 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 4: kind of like the monorail guy and the Simpsons, you know. 383 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that one. We know 384 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 3: that a lot of these folks were no, we don't 385 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: want to disparage them. A lot of them were rifters, 386 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 3: but a lot of them also were very connected to 387 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 3: the land. They could predict in a way weathered right, ORMs, famine, 388 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 3: flood things of that nature. But we know the first 389 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 3: scientifically recognized weather modification experiment dates back to nineteen forty six. 390 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 3: It's November thirteen. There's a guy named Vincent Schaeffer, and 391 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 3: he's a dry ice boy. He puts a bunch of 392 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 3: dry ice out into the atmosphere. It hits these super 393 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 3: cooled clouds near Schenectady and Schenectady is is such a 394 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 3: fun word to say that I barely use it outside 395 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 3: stand up, But guys, when he did this he created snow. 396 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 3: He was not a rain maker, but he was a 397 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 3: snow bringer. People were astounded, and Uncle Sam paid attention 398 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 3: because remember this is forty six, right, so it's right 399 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 3: after World War Two. Oh really quickly. 400 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 4: The episode I was talking about was called did a 401 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 4: Real Life rain Maker Almost dround San Diego? And it 402 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 4: was about a dude coming through San Diego during a 403 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 4: serious around that same time, man named Charles Mallory Hatfield. 404 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 4: So do check out one out if you want a 405 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 4: little bit of a light take on some of the stuff. 406 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 3: Perfect, perfect, that's awesome. Uh and yeah, thank you for 407 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 3: checking out. When out folks. If we fast forward a 408 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 3: few decades, we see there are multiple classified government projects 409 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: pursuing similar technologies of particular note I thing we've discussed 410 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: in the past Operation Popeye. You guys remember Operation Popeye. 411 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: The name is way more fun than what they actually 412 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: tried to do usually is. 413 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 4: Or actually that's not true. A lot of times the 414 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 4: name has really been all and the stuff they tried 415 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 4: to do is insane. 416 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: Is this the one where they dropped a bunch of 417 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: stuff to kill the the the flora? To where is 418 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 2: that a different one? 419 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 3: Orange? 420 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 2: Crap? 421 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 3: This is different. 422 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 4: They wanted to extend monsoon season. 423 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 3: I believe this is weaponized weather modification, of weaponizing the 424 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 3: weather to Asdall said, attempt to extend monsoon season during 425 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 3: the Vietnam War, right, Yeah, through Laus, you know, to 426 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: make roots of transit impassable. Pretty pretty nasty stuff, especially 427 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 3: because again they're trying to whittle with a chainsaw. They're 428 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: painting with a broad brush. And this is true, this 429 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 3: is Operation pop By there. They're also in that process. Uh, 430 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 3: they brought misery to tons of innocent civilians. So public 431 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 3: attention to these endeavors and waxes WANs, but government and 432 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 3: scientific interest do not. And as the weather worsens, the boffins, 433 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 3: the eggheads, your favorite academics, they've moved past just making moisture. 434 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 3: Rain makers have graduated to a kind of shark take thing, 435 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 3: pitching ideas to save the world. We've talked about a 436 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 3: few their potential weather modification basically, and most of it's 437 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: going to fall under a loose category that we call 438 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 3: solar radiation modification or solar geoengineering. 439 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. The basic concept is everybody knows that the climate 440 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 2: is changing the Earth is heating up little by little, right, 441 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: and we've already hit one of the benchmarks that scientists said, Hey, 442 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 2: if we hit this benchmark, it's not good and it's 443 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: gonna be really hard to go back. And a lot 444 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 2: of that has to do with emissions. Right, All the 445 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: things that we're aware of that humanity does to warm 446 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: up the earth, stuff that's provable. None of that is 447 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: fake news. None of that is stuff that you can't 448 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: look up the science behind it. The problem is what 449 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 2: do you do about it? 450 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 4: Right? And this is something just addressed in strange news, 451 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 4: But did you also to have a little bit of 452 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 4: good news to go along with that moment? Apparently the 453 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 4: hole in the ozone layer is doing pretty well. It's 454 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: on track to closing up. 455 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been doing well. The collective action matters, and 456 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 3: I think we talked about that a little bit in 457 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 3: the past. Whenever we need a sprinkle of good news, 458 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 3: you know, so go team Solar Radiation Modification for our 459 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: purpose is tonight. We might call it SRM. It's an umbrella. 460 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 3: We'll keep it at umbrella, get it whatever, thank you, 461 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 3: thank you know. It's it's this toolkit of large scale 462 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 3: proposed approaches to reducing global warming by attempting to somehow 463 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 3: block an amount of sunlight hitting Earth. It is very 464 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 3: matrix level stuff in principle, and the concept is again, 465 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 3: if we can increase the amount of sunlight bounced back 466 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 3: away from Earth and out into space, then we as 467 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 3: a civilization may be able to mitigate some of those 468 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: alarming climate trends we discussed previously. 469 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 2: Yes, but the most important thing here is this is 470 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 2: treating a symptom, right like the constant. This whole concept 471 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: that maybe we can bounce back some of the solar 472 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: radiation and cool the earth down is treating the heating part, right. 473 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: It's not treating the stuff that is causing the heating here, 474 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: like the stuff that the solar radiation interacts with in 475 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 2: order to trap heat and continually warm the planet. We're 476 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: just trying to block some of the solar radiation like 477 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 2: as a it's a band aid right on something that 478 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 2: needs some serious surgery. 479 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you could say. You could say, for another example, hey, 480 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 3: I make a lot of trash, and I keep making 481 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: more trash. My house is becoming a trash place. Instead 482 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: of clean up the trash, why don't I just find 483 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 3: another place to put trash but never actually clean my house. 484 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let's just get some air fresheners. Smells like 485 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 2: trash in here. 486 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 3: So this is not meant to be a silver bullet 487 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 3: by any means we got. We have to be clear 488 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 3: about this with you, folks. The concepts all of that, 489 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 3: all the ones we're going to explore, they are not 490 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 3: meant to replace ongoing to Nole's point, successful initiatives to 491 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: reduce greenhouse gas emissions. They're meant to compliment that. So 492 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 3: to that earlier argument you just heard, folks, the idea 493 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 3: could be that if these are band aid solutions, it's 494 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 3: not just one band aid, it's a stream of band aids. Right, 495 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 3: It's a bandolier, a bandid do leer. 496 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a band aid to cover the entire earth. 497 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 2: Love it, and then you got to keep that band 498 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: aid on or it gets really bad or really fast. 499 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 4: Wasn't that a conservation initiative like band aid the Earth 500 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 4: or like give the Earth a hug or something along 501 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 4: the world. 502 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 3: There was definitely there was definitely that tour franchise band aid, right, 503 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: remember that one? Yeah? Wait, that was ban that was 504 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 3: doing aid. 505 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 4: It was like anyway, but I'm in my mind, I'm 506 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 4: thinking like some sort of recycling initiative where it was 507 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 4: like an image with a globe. But maybe I'm also 508 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 4: thinking of cover the earth the du loo. 509 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: Williams. That's what which still is my favorite sinister logo 510 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 3: for a paint company just looks like blood. Think about it, folks, 511 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 3: try to get that back room for that paint company. 512 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 4: They won't have you. 513 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 2: Let's get back blood too, Just to get back to 514 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: solar radiation modification. Earlier in July of this year, Politico 515 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: put out an article titled Researchers quietly planned a test 516 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 2: to dim sunlight. They wanted to avoid scaring the public. 517 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 2: We've talked about this before. This is one of these 518 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 2: SRM tests that was going to happen, and it was 519 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 2: backed by a bunch of private money and institutions, universities 520 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: and billionaires, and it is. It is a really weird 521 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 2: tale of people truly attempting to do the blot out 522 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 2: the sun thing by creating clouds high above the regular 523 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: cloud formation levels so that it would they would just 524 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 2: sit up there and block the sunlight, literally blotting out 525 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 2: the sun. But it got shut down when when local 526 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 2: officials found out that it was happening in the San 527 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: Francisco Bay because they didn't even tell anybody that it 528 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 2: was happening. 529 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 4: So that's a provable thing. This research was absolutely going. 530 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 2: On, yes, quietly going on as a small scale test 531 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: for a much larger operation that was going to take place. 532 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 3: So maybe to look at the flip side of that. 533 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 4: Also in July of this year, that is, I believe 534 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 4: what you were referencing at the top them and you said, 535 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 4: how we don't necessarily support the opinions of some of 536 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 4: our state legislators. Marjorie Taylor Green introduced a bill to 537 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 4: ban cloud seating, claiming that the disastrous Texas floods were 538 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 4: at least in part caused by cloud seating to prevent drought. 539 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 4: And there's a great NPR segment with a weather expert 540 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 4: that quiets some of those fears. And yet there were 541 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 4: many voices, not just Marjorie Taylor Green's, you know, kind 542 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 4: of calling for this, which to me it seems like 543 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 4: a way of deflecting, you know, away from climate. 544 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 3: Change, right, the consequences of widespread late stage industrial pursuits. 545 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 3: And thank you, NOL, I appreciate that. The Another another 546 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 3: thing to add on there would be weather modification banning 547 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 3: legislature legislation going through Florida. The best known SRM currently 548 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 3: is something called SAI stratospheric aerosol injection. We discussed this 549 00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 3: at length in our book. The idea is basically, if 550 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 3: we could as civilization create conditions similar to a volcanic winter, 551 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 3: like back in five thirty six CE. We all remember 552 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 3: that it's often cited as the worst year in history. 553 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 3: If we could, if we could do something like that, 554 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 3: then we might slow down this out of control feedback loop. 555 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 3: Five point thirty six CE, very different time, a couple 556 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 3: of huge volcanic eruptions blotted out the sky. This led 557 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 3: to record failures and crop yield, which spread famine and 558 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 3: then plague and then geopolitical chaos. Jesus, Yeah, but don't 559 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 3: let that's stuff, Yeah, biblical stuff. 560 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 2: It's literally what nuclear winter will be when it happens, right, 561 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 2: but in this case a smaller scale. 562 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 4: And that's because of how high those clouds go that 563 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 4: you were talking about earlier. The mushroom clouds literally will 564 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 4: blot out the sun, spread all of this dust and 565 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 4: particles in various things that to mention the actual nuclear 566 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 4: particles that will change the way light is received to 567 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 4: your planet. 568 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 3: Earth and our first question naturally, folks, you must be 569 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 3: having the same one. Guys. If you're talking about how 570 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 3: terrible five point thirty six CE was, why on Earth 571 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 3: would anyone want to replicate it? Again? This is not 572 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 3: a full scale matrix event. You never go full matrix. 573 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 3: This is not going to be the greatest volcanic eruption 574 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 3: in history. 575 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 2: This is just a tribute aous de guys. 576 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 4: Thanks apology, oh man, guys, shout out to Tenacious Tea. 577 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you if you go and check out 578 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 2: some of these articles about people who want to do 579 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 2: this kind of stuff and want to test it out, 580 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 2: you'll find organizations like silver Lining and NNGO, a nonprofit 581 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 2: organization dedicated to ensuring that society has the information and 582 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 2: capabilities needed to ensure a safe and secure atmosphere. 583 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 3: Silver Lining like, yeah, exactly, using ensuring twice in the 584 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 3: emission statement. 585 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 2: Dude crazy. And you'll find things like their silver Lining's 586 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 2: Stratospheric Aerosol Research Program or STAR where they are attempting 587 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 2: to do all of this kind of stuff and they 588 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 2: want to do more research, They want more tests to 589 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 2: find out what is the best way for us to 590 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 2: artificially blot out the sun. Also, SRI International, please look 591 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 2: them up if you'd like to, and they stratospherically inject 592 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 2: funds into this kind of research all the time. 593 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 3: I like that. I thought that was a nice turn 594 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 3: to phrase. We got to talk about. 595 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 2: Could you like what. 596 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 3: We mean by stratospheric aerosol injection just for pre freecap 597 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 3: It's the idea that you could shoot specific types of 598 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 3: what we call solid particle aerosols into the stratosphere at 599 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 3: a strited yet moderate intensity, and this can counter the 600 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 3: wide scale changes in temperature and precipitation. What do we 601 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 3: mean by and moderate? The most popular pitch is a 602 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 3: dedicated fleet of airplanes flying six thousand flights per twenty 603 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 3: four hours, six thousand flights every day across across a 604 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 3: lot of the planet, and then they're spraying thirty eight 605 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 3: million metric tons of sulfur dioxide? Are similar particles just 606 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 3: out in the stratosphere just bom. 607 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 2: It's literally that scene from the Matrix. No, not the Matrix, sorry, 608 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 2: the Animatrix History part one. I think it's literally that scene. 609 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 3: I mean for the average government on its own, or 610 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 3: the average billion dollar corporation or Corporatis or techbro which 611 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 3: we'll get to. This is a pretty tall milkshake, right, 612 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 3: You've got to take a massive leap of trust. You 613 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 3: have to cooperate with everybody else on sensitive sticky stuff 614 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 3: like airspace rights, funding, political bill because the taxpayers are 615 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 3: going to be paying for most of this at some point. 616 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 2: And the fallout of humanity. Right. Part of the reason 617 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 2: they want to do these tests is to see how 618 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 2: bad it's going to affect crop growth and how badly 619 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 2: it's going to affect you know, things that were dependent 620 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 2: on as living creatures on a rocky planet. 621 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 3: And so further, the proponents argue SAI stratospheric aerosol injection 622 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 3: could have a pretty fast, noticeable effect. It could definitely 623 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 3: be cheaper than building a big old chonky sun blocking 624 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 3: disc or series of disk in orbit. If everything works out, 625 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 3: they say, we could mitigate or reverse any potential, potentially 626 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 3: deletarious side effects. So, like so many other drawing board concepts, 627 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 3: this sounds great in theory. It's four point thirty pm 628 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 3: on a Friday. You got to figure out something. But 629 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 3: the issue is, as we're teasing here a bit, it's 630 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 3: a situation where civilization does not know what happens until 631 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 3: we try it right, You don't know if the car 632 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 3: is going to run or explode until you start the ignition. 633 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:18,320 Speaker 3: Got a FAFO, Got a fafo, And that's our app break. 634 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 3: So for anyone who like us, enjoys getting under the 635 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 3: hood of deep research of the actual academics beyond the 636 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 3: pop size stuff, please check out a great article from 637 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 3: Nature which was published in February of this year. I 638 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 3: think we'll all read some tea leaves in the title quote. 639 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 3: Injecting solid particles into the stratosphere could mitigate global warming, 640 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 3: but currently entails great uncertainties. 641 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 4: Remember that one guy that said we should detonate a 642 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 4: nuke under the Earth and that that would get rid 643 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 4: of global war, and there was like science behind it, 644 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 4: but also it was just like this dude, like this 645 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 4: regular or the. 646 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 3: Cyrelian, the Darien gap or what was it solved the 647 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 3: Panama Canal question bro really quickly. 648 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 4: Speaking of the Darien Gap, the latest episode of Pluribus 649 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 4: involves that in such an amazing way, and I was 650 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 4: so glad that I was primed to enjoy it as 651 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 4: much as I did because of our conversations about the 652 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,280 Speaker 4: lawless and dangerous territory that is the Darien Gap. 653 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 3: Beautiful, I mean also currently entails great uncertainties. It's kind 654 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 3: of there in the title, right, oh yeah, big time, 655 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 3: like we were saying before the break. You know, you 656 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,240 Speaker 3: go to folks like the experts at the Intergovernmental Panel 657 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 3: on Climate Change and they say, ah, right, this stuff. 658 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 3: We're talking about, this aerosol injection strategy. It could limit 659 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 3: war me by up to two point seven degrees fahrenheit, 660 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,280 Speaker 3: which for the rest of the world is one point 661 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 3: five degrees celsius ballpark. It's not going to make things colder, 662 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 3: It's going to make the feedback loop slower. So if 663 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 3: we still if we still are in love with spewing 664 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 3: out various contaminants into the atmosphere, this is again, as 665 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 3: we said a ban daiy dough leader exactly. 666 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, where we're in a vehicle, all of us and 667 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 2: industry has its has that pedal to the metal, and 668 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 2: we're just flying towards a precipice. And the answer is 669 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,439 Speaker 2: take your foot off the gas, run on ahead. However 670 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 2: you're going to do that, and then just build more 671 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 2: road out on so we can keep going even though 672 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 2: there is no ground anymore. 673 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 3: Pretty good, or just like roll down the windows because 674 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 3: someone farted in the car. So are we fixing the 675 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,800 Speaker 3: fart or are we fixing the direct and the inevitability 676 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 3: of the disaster? 677 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 2: Yes, and it's an infinitive art. It never stops. Like 678 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 2: you guys, there's stuff going on in the UK too. 679 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,399 Speaker 2: Earlier this year and way back in twenty twenty two, 680 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 2: The Guardian was writing about attempts for the UK government 681 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,919 Speaker 2: to create these exact same scenarios and this exact type 682 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 2: of research. And I've never heard of this thing called 683 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 2: ARIA before. Have you guys heard of this in the 684 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 2: UK government? 685 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 4: ARIA just like a sub committee of some kind or 686 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 4: some sort of like initiative. 687 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 2: It's it's their answer to DARPA, but it's like a 688 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 2: new version of it called the Advanced Research and Invention Agency. 689 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 2: And they're putting a ton of money in attempting to 690 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 2: start programs or at least seed money, seed money into 691 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 2: programs that are looking at this exact type of thing. 692 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 2: And it really is weird to me out Just look 693 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 2: into them a little bit, you'll see the strange stuff 694 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 2: that's happening in the UK and the US when it 695 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 2: comes to these experiments that appear to be last ditch 696 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 2: efforts to solve climate change without actually having to do anything. 697 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,800 Speaker 3: Without actually solving climate change, kind of to make climate 698 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 3: change okay, make climate change great again, right. 699 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,879 Speaker 2: Without having to change anything anybody's doing. And you can 700 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 2: head on over to the Advanced Research and Invention Agency's website, 701 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 2: which is ARA dot org dot uk and look up 702 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 2: exploring options for actively cooling the Earth. This is a 703 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 2: pretty huge believe. It comes in a PDF format once 704 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 2: you actually get there, and I guess I can read 705 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 2: some of it here just so we all understand. This 706 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 2: document presents the core thesis underpinning a program that has 707 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 2: now launched. It is a program that has now launched. 708 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 2: An ARIA program seeks to unlock a scientific or technical 709 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 2: capability that one changes the perception of what's possible or valuable, 710 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 2: two has the potential to catalyze massive social and economic returns, 711 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 2: and three is unlikely to be achieved without aria's intervention. 712 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,280 Speaker 2: And this particular intervention is called future Proofing our Climate 713 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,840 Speaker 2: and Weather and it was originally published back in twenty 714 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 2: twenty four in May, and you can look all you 715 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 2: can look at this whole thing, the reasoning behind this 716 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 2: concept of why they need to take this action, why 717 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 2: they need to do the stratospheric aerosol injection thing. And 718 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 2: it's super creepy. 719 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,839 Speaker 3: And this also tells us that multiple world governments are 720 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:37,399 Speaker 3: researching not just SAI, but other types of weather modification 721 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 3: or SRN. If SAI sounds like too much of a gamble, Oh, fellow, 722 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 3: britz Fellow, conspiracy realist, friends and neighbors, hang on to 723 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,320 Speaker 3: your Oregon cloud busters. There's plenty of other stuff beneath 724 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 3: this umbrella. We're talking about stuff like Marine cloud Brightening 725 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 3: MCB would be this street name. This is the maritime 726 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 3: answer to the SIA thing. This is the idea that 727 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 3: instead of getting a bunch of planes to do six 728 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 3: thousand flights per day, you could get something north of 729 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 3: fifteen hundred customized ships and they would go around the 730 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 3: planet's oceans and they would pump twelve thousand gallons of 731 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,400 Speaker 3: seawater per second into the air. This would make marine 732 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 3: clouds reflect more sunlight. It is doable. That's a pro. 733 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,439 Speaker 3: It also has the added advantage of occurring away from 734 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 3: a lot of human population at the beginning. Yeah, people 735 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 3: love a nimbi, you know what I mean. People love 736 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:52,399 Speaker 3: nimbi and cumulo. We got to do it to them. 737 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 2: Well, because that's what that's the point you're making there, right, Ben, 738 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 2: that you're going to create clouds, and those clouds will 739 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 2: be affected by the power utters that occur across the globe. 740 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 2: Right as those clouds continue along their merry way, they 741 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 2: are going to end up somewhere and they are going 742 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 2: to be filled with water and. 743 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 4: To deal, right, you can talk about your kids learning 744 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 4: about the weather. That's what you learn about at that 745 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 4: stage is the different types of clouds and what separates them. 746 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 4: And if I'm not mistaken, a lot of it has 747 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 4: to do with just like how much moisture they're holding. 748 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,839 Speaker 2: Yes, what altitude, what the temperature is, what moisture they're holding, 749 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 2: what the pressure system is like, and one that they're encountering. Right, 750 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 2: So it's all of that stuff. It's just a really 751 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 2: good point, Ben, Anything that you do here is not 752 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,720 Speaker 2: just going to affect one area, right if you're shooting clouds. 753 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is the thing, right we're talking 754 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,359 Speaker 3: about it at the very top that we've talked about 755 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 3: for years. You know, we've been quoting experts when we 756 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 3: talk about it, the system is huge. Earth is a 757 00:47:54,760 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 3: super organism. So just like just like hitting yourself with 758 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 3: some substance in your ribcage is going to affect the 759 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 3: rest of your body, it is also hitting a specific 760 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,319 Speaker 3: part of Earth's weather system is going to affect the 761 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 3: rest of it. And this leads us to another This 762 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 3: is an umbrella inside the umbrella of weather modification. So 763 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 3: we're going a couple layers deep or incepting into some 764 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 3: matroshka dulls of how you say it, Noll around and 765 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 3: find out, thank you for the beep, Dylan, we Faffo 766 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 3: thinks that's probably more correct. We have another toolkit called 767 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 3: surface albedo modification or SAM, not to be confused with 768 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 3: everybody's favorite uncle Sam is. SAM is saying, let's take 769 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 3: a bunch of little stuff. Let's try some little things, 770 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 3: and those little things can together compound. Yeah, the interest 771 00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 3: the mitigation compounds stuff like, Hey, nobody's hanging out in 772 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 3: the Arctic. Let's get a bunch of hollow glass microspheres 773 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:12,840 Speaker 3: to reflect sudlight, and everybody, everybody in your city or town, 774 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 3: paint all the roofs white. 775 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 2: It's not funny. 776 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,439 Speaker 4: It is funny. But also, if I'm not mistaken, guys, 777 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,280 Speaker 4: here in Atlanta, there's been talk of an initiative to 778 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,440 Speaker 4: install lighter colored roofs. 779 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 3: But it's great. 780 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:28,800 Speaker 4: It's one of those pine and the Sky kind of 781 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 4: things because it's such a hard thing to enact all 782 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 4: at once. So it does I'm sorry I keep using 783 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,840 Speaker 4: that expression, but just it's a nice idea. But to 784 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 4: actually get that collective involvement requires so many things like 785 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 4: tax incentives and various things to encourage people to actually 786 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 4: do it, to you know, encourage compliance. 787 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 3: But it doesn't help. Oh my gosh, there I'm picturing 788 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,719 Speaker 3: it now. Guys. There's a smoky back room at a 789 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 3: Sherwin Williams, right, and they've got there, they've got their 790 00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:01,120 Speaker 3: illegal Cuban cigars, and they're saying, hey, uh so, how 791 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 3: much paint do you need? 792 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,919 Speaker 4: So it's like a chair company. 793 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, just so. 794 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,319 Speaker 2: But okay, let's say we paint the entire surface of 795 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,280 Speaker 2: the earth white. That doesn't solve any problem, right, because 796 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 2: with the nature of the greenhouse gases is that as 797 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 2: that radiation comes in and heats the surface, hits the surface, 798 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,799 Speaker 2: it bounces back and it literally gets trapped inside the 799 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 2: atmosphere dome. That's why the stratospheric aerosol injection thing happening 800 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 2: above that layer of the atmosphere where this is occurring 801 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,440 Speaker 2: is theoretically a good idea. But otherwise, if we do 802 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,279 Speaker 2: a lot of these things the SAMs, we're still going 803 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 2: to be trapped inside this atmosphere that continues to heat. 804 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,319 Speaker 3: Up and data layers. Yeah. Another sam idea that we 805 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 3: should include is the concept. This is a shout out 806 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 3: for all or gmopals in the audience tonight. What if 807 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 3: we seriously someone said this, what if we genetically modify 808 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 3: crops to have a lighter color, which is definitely not 809 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 3: fixing the problem? You know what I mean? 810 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,560 Speaker 4: Man, I wish you could think, oh wait we can 811 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:08,880 Speaker 4: that's the police. 812 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm saying, I think if you paint it 813 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 2: all white, it doesn't do anything. 814 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 4: Well, then what am I thinking about? Because there is 815 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 4: think about a local maybe a local effect or even 816 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:19,880 Speaker 4: just maybe it. 817 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 3: Was mitigate warming in cities. Yes, precisely, they are a 818 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:30,719 Speaker 3: city more livable. Right and again to this point that 819 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:37,000 Speaker 3: we we hit earlier civilization cannot prove the efficacy of 820 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,280 Speaker 3: these attempts until they drive the car around the block 821 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 3: and we've got to save our favorite for last. Ooh, 822 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 3: if you love a comic book, Ooh, if you love 823 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:50,880 Speaker 3: a Bond super villain. Ooh, if you love sunglasses on 824 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 3: a hot day. Why don't we just make space mirrors? 825 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,320 Speaker 3: Why don't we just make sunshades for space, you know, 826 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,439 Speaker 3: launch a bunch of big mirrors to directly reflect back 827 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 3: solar radiation and light and all that. Or why don't 828 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 3: we make an army very small like drowne swarm starlink 829 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 3: esque mirrors and or lenses or metallic disc and we 830 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:19,399 Speaker 3: just put them between the Sun and planet Earth. We 831 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,279 Speaker 3: build a shield to partially cover the world. If we're 832 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 3: stuck on a beach, Why don't we build an umbrella 833 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:26,719 Speaker 3: for everyone? 834 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,640 Speaker 2: It's not a bad idea. How do you keep it 835 00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,600 Speaker 2: in the right place? It had to be in orbit, 836 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:37,160 Speaker 2: I suppose, Or yeah, wow, that is that. It would 837 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:37,880 Speaker 2: be a marvel. 838 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,600 Speaker 3: It's also a little expensive. It's like when the It's 839 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 3: like if we were at the Save the World restaurant 840 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 3: and the server came up to us and gave us 841 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,719 Speaker 3: our choices, our entrees options for saving the world. This 842 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 3: one is quote unquote market price, Like, we have no 843 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,000 Speaker 3: idea how expensive it might be. 844 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 2: Ooh, but it could be one step towards a dison 845 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,240 Speaker 2: grid or a dice in sphere, something like that. 846 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 3: Whout out to Buck Munster as well. 847 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, you could probably gather a whole lot of energy 848 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,480 Speaker 2: if you did something like that, and it was more 849 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 2: of a mesh, you know, than a full mirror or something. 850 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,560 Speaker 2: So you're not gonna stop all the light from hitting Earth, 851 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,719 Speaker 2: but you are going to reduce it by some you know, percentage. 852 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,760 Speaker 3: Or something possibly harvested. 853 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, definitely, Yeah. 854 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,240 Speaker 3: I mean the second so first issue, big expense, second issue. 855 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,919 Speaker 3: Near Earth orbit is currently littered with debris, so much 856 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:42,160 Speaker 3: so that it has recently stranded astronauts in space. We 857 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 3: are again the trashy house in the neighborhood, you know 858 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,160 Speaker 3: what I mean. Like, there's a lot of stuff going 859 00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,120 Speaker 3: on up there. So we'd have to not only position 860 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,840 Speaker 3: I think a swarm of small small mirrors, lenses or 861 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 3: disc is probably smarter than a couple of big ones, 862 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,319 Speaker 3: you know, egg and one basket, et cetera. We have 863 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 3: to be able to ensure that those things would stay 864 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:12,640 Speaker 3: between Earth and the Sun and also not get the 865 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,400 Speaker 3: Christ smacked out of them by all the trash humans 866 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 3: put up in space earlier. It's it's rough, but I 867 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,400 Speaker 3: get it. Tell you guys, it's also a new boom industry. 868 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 3: Remember Elon Musk from earlier. 869 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 4: Yes, oh, how could we forget? He sort of insists 870 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:30,600 Speaker 4: upon himself a little bit. 871 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like the Godfather. He's like a film review 872 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:39,400 Speaker 3: of the Godfather. Yeah. The idea is that I know 873 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,080 Speaker 3: we've all read up on this. Elon Musk has signaled 874 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,720 Speaker 3: aspirations to leverage starlink, not just for AI but also 875 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,080 Speaker 3: for solar engineering. 876 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,520 Speaker 2: It's already kind of doing it right. It's blocking like 877 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,439 Speaker 2: Bubble and a bunch of other telescopes because of all. 878 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 4: His satellites out there that are that are responsible for 879 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,240 Speaker 4: trying admitting the starlink signals. 880 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 2: Right, Well, well there, what the heck was? It was 881 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,600 Speaker 2: something recently in the news about telescopes are having a 882 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,920 Speaker 2: really hard time not having just a crap tone of 883 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,840 Speaker 2: these starlink satellites in all of their imagery. 884 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,080 Speaker 4: There's a lot of trash in space, Like that's the 885 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,080 Speaker 4: barrier to entry for space is just money. You know, 886 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,600 Speaker 4: if you can get your stuff out there. There's nothing 887 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,400 Speaker 4: really preventing you from blocking the hubble. 888 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,600 Speaker 3: Money has a gravity all its own, you know what 889 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,960 Speaker 3: I mean. You can't just drive up to the hubble 890 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,799 Speaker 3: and then say, nah, move that thing a little bit 891 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,120 Speaker 3: to the left. You know, I got to see this, 892 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:37,439 Speaker 3: This horseshoe, nebula, this leather jacket is turning me into 893 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:44,440 Speaker 3: a jersey person. The jacket, the jackets, right, But this, 894 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:51,160 Speaker 3: I mean, it is not that crazy, right, aside from 895 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,880 Speaker 3: any human controversy, if you just look at the technology 896 00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:00,600 Speaker 3: of starlink, a satellite network plane utility in the near 897 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,960 Speaker 3: Earth orbit field is frankly more plausible than getting to Mars. 898 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,920 Speaker 3: And I hope that's not a hot take, but it 899 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:08,880 Speaker 3: is true. 900 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,600 Speaker 2: No, it's not a hot take. And it's also more palatable, 901 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,040 Speaker 2: probably than blotting out the Sun with a bunch of 902 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,160 Speaker 2: clouds that you can't control once they're up there. Right, Like, 903 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 2: have you got satellites in orbit, Maybe there's something you 904 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,880 Speaker 2: could do if they're covering too much of the Sun's 905 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,600 Speaker 2: light or something, right, maybe you could make alterations to 906 00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,160 Speaker 2: them and then say, hey, we actually need to decrease 907 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,840 Speaker 2: the amount we're blocking now. But the clouds are like, 908 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,319 Speaker 2: oh weoop swell, we got Oh geez, we got a 909 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,240 Speaker 2: long time before those clouds dissipate, So I guess we're screwed. 910 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,000 Speaker 3: And the issue is that with this, for any folks 911 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:49,600 Speaker 3: that are leaning into or interested in conspiratorial speculation, the 912 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,279 Speaker 3: issue is that these things will be visible to you, 913 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,279 Speaker 3: most of them, if they occur. Right. We've got some 914 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:04,960 Speaker 3: great nonprofits who continually monitors satellite activity. We may not 915 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,680 Speaker 3: know what the satellite is doing, but we do know 916 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,640 Speaker 3: where it is, and we can usually predict where it 917 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,600 Speaker 3: goes unless somebody pooning up a little bit extra for 918 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:20,760 Speaker 3: some thrusters. We also know that cloud formation cloud seeding 919 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:26,760 Speaker 3: is easily observable, and these are everything we named, even 920 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,960 Speaker 3: the crazy stuff like building sunshades in orbit. It is 921 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:37,760 Speaker 3: technically doable with current technology, but there are theoretical consequences 922 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:42,520 Speaker 3: that no one is super agreed upon. There's not a 923 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:47,600 Speaker 3: scientific consensus on what will definitely one hundred percent happen. 924 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,840 Speaker 3: That's why critics are warning these actions result in droughts, floods, 925 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:58,520 Speaker 3: unseasonable hurricanes and monsoons. And the issue is that once 926 00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,880 Speaker 3: you start automating this stuff, once you get past a 927 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,760 Speaker 3: certain threshold. Just like The Sorcerers Apprentice and Fantasia, you 928 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,520 Speaker 3: might not be able to dial back the consequences. You 929 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,479 Speaker 3: may not be able to truly reverse those effects. Oh, 930 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:19,800 Speaker 3: the planet's colder, but hypothetically it's way colder that we 931 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 3: want it to be. And the crops won't grow because 932 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,320 Speaker 3: they're still the crops are old school, they're still on 933 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,480 Speaker 3: this sunlight thing. We've accidentally recreated year five thirty six 934 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,760 Speaker 3: CE worse your ever. 935 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:39,880 Speaker 2: That's right so far. Yeah, and the experts are weighing in. 936 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,600 Speaker 2: They have been since twenty twenty two. You can head 937 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,920 Speaker 2: on over to Solar Geoengineering's website. There's an open letter 938 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:51,960 Speaker 2: you can read there. It's solargeng dot org. And in 939 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,280 Speaker 2: this letter you've got just a ton of signatories on 940 00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:01,200 Speaker 2: there who are scientists who are really nervous about what 941 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,600 Speaker 2: the world might do through private industry. Right with like 942 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,640 Speaker 2: the test we talked about that was unknown it was 943 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,919 Speaker 2: going to happen in San Francisco until it got shut down. 944 00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,440 Speaker 2: They're worried about private industry going in and just kind 945 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,840 Speaker 2: of cowboying the whole thing for us, right, it's for us. 946 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,720 Speaker 2: It's also a giant venture to make money. 947 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:18,240 Speaker 3: Well. 948 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,240 Speaker 2: This open letter says that they and everyone who signed 949 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,360 Speaker 2: their open letter share three fundamental concerns, which does outline 950 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,640 Speaker 2: them really fast. First, the risks of solar geoengineering are 951 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,680 Speaker 2: poorly understood and can never be fully known until we're 952 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,480 Speaker 2: in the midst of it, essentially, is what they're saying. Second, 953 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,880 Speaker 2: speculative hopes about the future availability of solar geoengineering technologies 954 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,560 Speaker 2: threaten commitments to mitigation and can disincentivize governments, businesses, and 955 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,320 Speaker 2: societies to do their utmost to achieve decarbonization or carbon 956 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,400 Speaker 2: neutrality as soon as possible. And third, the current global 957 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,439 Speaker 2: governance system is unfit to develop and implement the far 958 00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,360 Speaker 2: reaching agreements needed to maintain fare in inclusive and effective 959 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:07,240 Speaker 2: political control over solar geoengineering and deployment, which just they're saying, 960 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,320 Speaker 2: once this thing gets started, there's no way to stop it. 961 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,040 Speaker 2: We don't know what's going to happen, and we have 962 01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,560 Speaker 2: no control mechanisms over either who's doing it or how 963 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 2: it's being deployed. 964 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,200 Speaker 3: Right, which is, you know, essentially what we've been seeing 965 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,120 Speaker 3: all along in this episode, And so the question becomes 966 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:29,080 Speaker 3: always is perfect the enemy of good. Can you create 967 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,200 Speaker 3: more problems by attempting to solve an immediate problem or 968 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:38,520 Speaker 3: a long term problem. Everybody agrees on this. Something must 969 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:43,080 Speaker 3: be done. Harump, harump, harumph. But what but what? But what? 970 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:48,200 Speaker 3: What exactly has to happen? The clock is talking. Humanity 971 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,160 Speaker 3: has already rolled the dice, and we cannot thank you 972 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,400 Speaker 3: enough for rolling the dice and hanging out with us 973 01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,440 Speaker 3: here at the end of twenty twenty five. We cannot 974 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,040 Speaker 3: wait to hear from you. We can't wait to hear 975 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:08,600 Speaker 3: your solutions, your concerns, your conspiracies about weather modification. You 976 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,959 Speaker 3: can call us on a phone, You can always send 977 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,320 Speaker 3: us an email, and you can find us directly on 978 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:16,320 Speaker 3: the social meds. 979 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,800 Speaker 4: Should thou sip indeed, hit us up online where you 980 01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,520 Speaker 4: can find us at the handle conspiracy stuff. On Facebook 981 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,440 Speaker 4: with our Facebook group here's where it gets crazy. On xfka, Twitter, 982 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,240 Speaker 4: and on YouTube where there's some videos I think, on 983 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,919 Speaker 4: Instagram and TikTok, however, we're conspiracy stuff showing Matt there's more. 984 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:31,400 Speaker 3: Hit us. 985 01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,800 Speaker 2: Oh baby, we got a phone number. You can use 986 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,080 Speaker 2: your phone and call it. It's one eight three three 987 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:42,200 Speaker 2: std WYTK. Turn those letters into numbers. When you call 988 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,800 Speaker 2: and give yourself a cool nickname and let us know 989 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,920 Speaker 2: if we can use your name and message on the air. 990 01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,480 Speaker 2: Call us. What would you send up in a space 991 01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,200 Speaker 2: to stop global climate change? 992 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:50,840 Speaker 3: Cowls? 993 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,560 Speaker 2: Maybe we want to hear what you have to think. 994 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,440 Speaker 2: Give us a call. If you don't want to do that, 995 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,080 Speaker 2: why not send us a good old fashioned email. 996 01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,000 Speaker 3: We are the entities that read each piece of course 997 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,400 Speaker 3: respondence we receive. Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the 998 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,800 Speaker 3: void rights back. Now, don't feel that this is mutually exclusive. 999 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,120 Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of folks call it and say 1000 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,600 Speaker 3: they want to send an email. I've seen a lot 1001 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,400 Speaker 3: of folks on social media who are trying to figure 1002 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,800 Speaker 3: out a way to send us some links, to send 1003 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,040 Speaker 3: us some photos. This is your one stop shop, twenty 1004 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:27,200 Speaker 3: four hours in the evening, seven nights a week until 1005 01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:49,920 Speaker 3: the darkness comes for us. All conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. 1006 01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,160 Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know is a production 1007 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,800 Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. 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