WEBVTT - All-Time Podcast Team: The Legends 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:06.880 Welcome to the Solid Verbal. I'll that for me. I'm 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.200 a man, I'm forty. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:10.119 I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.000 be happy. You want to be happy for dake Edo State? 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:19.320 Is that? Whoo whoo? And no, Dan and Tie Welcome 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:21.800 back to the Solid Verbal. Boys and girls. My name 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:25.079 is ty He'll the brand joining me as always over 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.520 there in beautiful New York City. My man Dan Ruvenstein, Sir, 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:28.960 how are you? 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.360 My revised answer is a team of twenty two Tyler 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:37.720 Maddick Cave I matt Madikaevitch Chi Madikavitch. 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And all I could think about when you 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.280 were saying that is have you has your your phone 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.880 or computer? I ever had to be projected on a 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.000 wall for a presentation and you get in like a 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:00.400 text or something like that, You're like, ha ha, when 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.160 don't we turn that? Because now all I want to 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.200 do is text you, Hey, the cream came in. It's 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.560 the strongest we have for your rash. But it shouldn't 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.960 do the job, and it probably won't ever be up 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:12.640 on a wall, but you know, in the off chance 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.680 it does. Hey, Ty, All right, Well, how are you 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:17.919 everything going? 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:19.000 Well? How's a little man? 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.840 Little man's doing great? Solid baby is thriving started sleeping 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:27.400 on his stomach because he's dreaming of our all solid 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.720 verbal teams. He is, is he do? How would you 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.680 describe tonight's show? Like, how would you? Because it's one 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.480 thing to say, like this is our our favorite players 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.960 at each position or position groups, whatever, since we started 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:41.280 the show in two thousand and eight. But it's not 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:45.000 our favorites. It's not who we think is necessarily the 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.600 best of the best, but it's who we believe if 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.760 we were given a choice, they sing to us in 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.840 a in a special way. So for example, yeah, if 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.600 you're when I was between Marcus Mariota and Colin Kaepernick 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.880 or something, you could look at stats, you could look 0:03:59.920 --> 0:04:03.480 at awards, and something might be objectively better decision wise, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.080 but at the end the end of the day, you'll 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:06.960 be like, you know what, I'm just I'm a mariotic 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:07.760 guy and I'm doing it. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.640 Well. Let me let me use a different example, and 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.400 I don't think I'm given too much of the game 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:16.479 away here by throwing out Tyron Matthew. So what we 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.719 did last week is we we talked about our sentimental favorites. 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.479 Maybe a guy had a funny name, Maybe a guy 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.880 was really good in college, didn't do much in the pros. 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.800 But we're not talking about the headlining acts, just guys that, 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:33.680 for whatever reason spoke players good player in this era 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.640 to find an era, you get the drift what we're 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.560 doing tonight, are I think it? When I think of 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.160 our all time team, I'm looking at a guy like 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:47.000 a Tyron Matthew as a really good example. He'll play. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.600 He's a consensus pick. He only played two seasons at 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.040 LSU before we got kicked off the team. But in 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:58.520 those two seasons, Tehran Matthew made an impact. He made 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.920 an impact, he got a nickname. We're going to talk 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:02.600 a little bit later about all the different ways that 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.680 he changed the game. But it didn't take a whole lot. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.719 I've got a couple guys on here who had one 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:12.240 remarkable season that stands out in my mind. So I'm 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:17.960 just assembling players, in some cases seasons, putting together the 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.680 bits and pieces since we started this podcast, mind you, 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.880 back in two thousand and eight that have collectively made 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.960 up for my own little college football reservoir. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at your team right now 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:35.400 and I am shocked, Color me shocked. Three Cam McDaniels 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:36.880 at running back. That's right, you know, I just. 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.800 Best looking guy in college football, right there is he? 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.839 Though I know there was the most photogeneic guy I 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:44.279 think was That. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:48.800 Was pretty good. I'm still partial to our guy in 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:49.440 his fifties. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.120 So we had a lot of commentary on the show. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.359 From Mooking Sexy, Randy Atzel, come on, you gotta okay? Sorry? 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.240 Did I cut you off? I apologize? 0:05:58.320 --> 0:05:58.880 No, You're good. 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:00.960 We had a lot of commentary on the show. He 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.000 did a week ago. We had a little bit more 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:04.960 time to prepare for this one, Dane. Let's get rolling. 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.600 Let's start at the quarterback. Whoa position? 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:19.520 Headliners, tell me who you considered before your choices or choice? 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:24.760 Well, I considered Cam Newton. Yeah, I considered Cam Newton 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.360 because of that remarkable run he had with Auburn, which 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:32.360 was incredible and he was unstoppable in that one singular season. 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:39.039 I considered guys like Manzell because Manzell really did change 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:45.919 the college in the SCC right like his style of play, 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.200 his edge that he played with, it absolutely had an impact. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.960 But the two that I eventually settled on. One was 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:59.520 a guy that, let's be honest, it's a sentimental though too, 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.800 it can be it's a little sentimental. Had a good 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.320 college career, Nick Foles had a better pro career. It 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.040 has had a better pro career being so, we won 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.440 a Super Bowl, was an MVP of a Super Bowl, 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.360 just signed a monster contract. But Nick Foles is the 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:14.920 guy that we had a lot of fun with on 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.400 the podcast back in twenty eleven, mainly because he played 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.440 on a lousy team. He was the best player, one 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.880 of the best players on a really bad team, would 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.480 throw for five hundred yards each and every week in 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:29.080 a losing effort, and that nickname caught on. It's still 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.160 with us. We still get tweets whenever he's playing on 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.720 a Sunday. So Nick Foles is like my runner up, 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.040 just purely because of sentimental value. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.840 I think you put it on the wrong show. I 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.560 may have put it on the wrong show, but he 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:42.400 was probably in the last ten years, He's probably not 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.720 one of the best forty college quarterbacks. Honorable mention, Yes, okay, 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.560 he's your honorable mention. You wormed sentimentality into tonight's And 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:53.000 who is your actual pick for the quarterback who has 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:57.600 best defined excellence? What's the Simpsons Award Outstanding Achievement in 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.920 the Field of Excellence. That's right, who is that award win? 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:01.120 It's got to be Tim Tebow. 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.160 Wow, Okay, I like that pick. I think it's a 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.120 good pick. It's I wouldn't have considered it, but I 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:09.120 still think it's a good pick. 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:14.120 Won the BCS Championship twice, one Heisman once one and 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:19.640 forty five touchdowns accounted for over four seasons and over 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:24.200 twelve thousand yards from scrimmage. I'm not sure why you 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.160 wouldn't consider Tim Tebow. I think he goes down as 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:28.880 one of the best college quarterbacks, one of the best 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.840 college football players of all time. For me, take the 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.719 stats in tandem with all the other intangibles, and the 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.319 answers is clear, and it's tibo. 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:43.360 Did you consider Sean Petty? Do you remember that name? 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.200 Of course, the Maryland linebacker forced to start at quarterback 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.800 against I don't know it was George Attack or Wake 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.000 Forest or something cour of years ago. That had to 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.160 be under consideration because all of the quarterbacks we considered 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.480 knew they would be playing quarterback that season, but not 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:06.200 necessarily Sean Petty. I considered Marcus Mariota, Heisman winner and 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.400 took his team, you know, three year starter took his 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.160 team to the National Championship game. Comes up short for sure, 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.880 but was electric from the moment he stepped on the field. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.040 Lamar Jackson, I don't know how you don't consider Lamar 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.920 Jackson for everything he did as he thrived those specific 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:27.680 two years. I have Tibo on here now. Baker Mayfield 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:33.240 is all all time in terms of statistics. Baker Mayfield 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.120 and Kyler Murray stand out, and that's an insane thing 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.400 because of this era. I have RG three here because 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:42.559 his Heisman winning season was extraordinary. And then Colin Kaepernick 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.440 what he did in Nevada. I'm not putting him in 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.360 that top duo for me because it was I think 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:52.040 he's a whack quarterback. I'm not fully keeping that against him, 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.040 but at the same time, he was just so good. 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.800 What was he the angry Ostrich something like that. I 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:00.040 think it was the angry Ostrich. I have manziel and 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:04.360 Johnny Football and Cam Newton on mine because of just 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.440 how electric they were within the fish bowl that they 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.720 sort of put themselves into because of trouble or attention 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.040 off the field, and the fact that they were able 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:18.440 to shine was It was just incredible TV. And that 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.360 goes such a long way for me. Johnny Manziel setting 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.960 all sorts of records, winning the Heisman, Cam Newton winning 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:29.680 the Heisman, and both beating Alabama in impressive fashion. I 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.520 just when I think about this past decade, I think 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.320 we probably spent more words talking about both of them 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.880 than any other two quarterbacks. And so that that to 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:39.040 me is reason. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.439 Enough, fair enough, fair enough. So we're going Manzel and Tebow, 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:43.960 not a bed, not a bad. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.720 Pretty good at pretty good as long as as long 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.480 as Manzel's not playing lcu. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:50.280 All right, who got it? Running back? 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.160 So running back was actually easier than I thought it 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:55.760 would be. There have been a number of players who've 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.160 put up huge yardage and huge games like how do 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.120 we how do you like leave off melgre for instance, 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:02.880 Well I did. I don't know if you did, but 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.959 I did, which troubles me. But I went with more 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:10.040 I would say complete talents. I have Christian McCaffrey, I 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.440 love to do everything, all purpose types who also happened 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.640 to be great between the tackles. So I have Christian 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:19.400 McCaffrey for his insane all purpose ability. Leonard Fournette because 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.680 physically and being able to run as fast as he 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.800 did at that size, and just for that ole miss 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.320 truck alone. I don't know how he's not there, And 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.280 I just I felt compelled in my marrow to put 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.520 Leonard Fournette there. And then the guy that almost embodied 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.240 a combination of both of them, the all purpose ability 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:40.280 but also running hard and physically. I have Dalvin Cook. Okay, 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.280 it wasn't. He didn't put you know, three four years, 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.520 you know, Loan Starter tonnage of yards. But Dalvin Cook 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.360 at his best, and he did it over a season. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.640 I felt was it was impressive in a way that 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.199 even McCaffrey and Fournette weren't. I was terrified with that thing. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:11:59.360 The thing about it, I loved it. 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.240 Dalvin Cook was not to say that the other guys, 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.160 certainly McCaffrey and Fournette didn't fall into a similar category. 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.560 But Dalvin Cook, almost to a greater degree, felt like 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.680 he was taking every ball to the house. Yes, every 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.880 time he touched it. You knew there was that game 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.839 breaking ability. The others were outstanding in their own right. 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:23.440 I considered, though Christian McCaffrey, I consider Dalvin Cook for 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:31.520 that same reason. I'm gonna play this just because because 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.280 you haven't played the old Milgor sound in a while. Oh, 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:39.120 he was fantastic. Trent Richardson's another guy had a really 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.760 stellar college career. We also had an awesome conversation about 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.240 whether he could kill a horse if he ran full 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:47.920 speed and shoulder charged a horse. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.400 One of our very first backup might be better might 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:54.280 in front of him. 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.200 Yeah, the two names that I'm gonna throw out there, 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.520 and I'm surprised you didn't mention Michael James. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.479 You know he would be under considerate. He is under consideration. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:11.000 For me, He's arguably the best Oregon offense, like non 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.720 quarterback offensive player ever, with how productive he was in 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:15.400 just three years. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:21.040 I feel like because of the Chip Kelly regime under 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.360 which he saw his five thousand plus yards as a 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:29.880 running back, that system was different. The system was fun. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.559 He seemed to kind of come into his own around 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:37.200 the same time that that Oregon football program was really 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.920 truly ramping up and becoming cool. He was kind of 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.840 the face of that to some degree. And so for me, 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.079 he's he's in the backfield here, Mike. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.600 Do you remember how he got his starts. Why he 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.560 was thrust into the starting lineup. You know what I 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:56.720 don't la Garrett Blunt punching. Yeah, that's right, that's right. 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.080 He was the backup. He had red shirted, wanted to 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.160 transfer back home, and I think it was Utah. It 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.679 was his first game and he ran wild, and even 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.640 though Blunt came back later on in the season, it 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:07.840 was Michael's backfield. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.120 The other name here, and perhaps I'm biased, you know, no, 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.880 this is a great name here. Gotta go Saquon Barkley. 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.200 Now there's a little bit of recency bias here. I 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:21.040 tried to avoid the younger guys as best I could, 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.800 not because they haven't been outstanding, but just because he 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.880 tend to remember them a little better. But along the 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.600 same lines as Dalvin Cook and Christian McCaffrey, I can't 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.800 think of anyone since we started doing the podcast who 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:39.360 embodied that big game, breakaway, explosive ability the way Squon. 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.200 Saquon was just fun to watch. And while Dalvin Cook, 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.480 you knew, could outrun everyone if he hit a hole, 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.040 one cut, boom gone, Yes, Saquon would find a way 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.920 to invent a hole and then he'd be gone. The 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:56.840 ability to distract a defense, to attract defenders so that 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.320 Trace McSorley could throw it down the field to someone else. 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.280 He he just changed the game in so many ways 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:03.640 that stats can never reflect. 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:07.560 And a huge beneficiary of the Joe Morehead era, yes, 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.280 where they were able to get him the ball creatively. 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.640 And I think the point is, I think you were 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:16.080 alluding to it that the best of Saquon Barkley might 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.760 be the best of what we've seen from that position. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.160 The reason I hesitated a little bit was there was 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:26.680 some wild card element to his play where, oh, he 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.800 had forty seven yards against Northwestern, huh, And I don't 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.440 know if that's his fault. I don't know if it's play. 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.760 Calls were fun fine seven yards though. 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.880 Those were a fun forty seven. The best of Saquon 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.120 I think it was the Iowa game. It was certainly 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.560 the USC game in the Rose Bowl, the Michigan game 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.800 at home, when I think he lined up he took 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.520 a snap a sort of a wildcat type running back 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:49.840 and ran a counter to the house with like basically 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.960 not being touched. The best of Saquon Barkley was terrifying. 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.000 And so that's the best thing I can say about 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.400 somebody like that. So he absolutely deserves to be here. 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:04.120 Let's move on to wide receiver. Mm hmm, I'll go first. 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.320 I've got I've got four wide here, four that I 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:07.640 feel very confident about. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.920 Your first selection on here I had. I was so 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.680 angry at myself for not immediately thinking of him. 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:18.480 Michael Crabtree. Yeah, so Crabtree was right at the very 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.920 very beginning of the podcast, got to go way back 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:22.360 in time. 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:24.520 It was the two thousand and eight was the year 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:25.480 of the catch, right, the. 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:29.360 Year of the catch. Yeah, Crabtree had thirty one hundred 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:34.680 yards and forty one touchdowns in two years at Texas Tech. 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:38.320 Now granted different system, wide open system. They're throwing the ball. 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.320 They were throwing the ball under Mike Leach pretty much 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.200 every down, but his ability to change the game. He 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:49.160 was unguardable, unguardable in the college game, and certainly to 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:53.280 put up numbers like that in just two seasons speaks 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:57.000 to that point. I can't remember. Well, I've got a 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.640 couple other guys on here who were unguardable in their 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.680 own ways, but Crabtree, to me, is probably the alpha 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:04.680 dog in this category. 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.600 I think that's right. He red shirt. I think he 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.680 was a high school quarterback, so they weren't really sure 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.240 what they were going to get from him. And then 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.640 he was basically a receiving prodigy his red shirt freshman year, 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:18.320 he catches whatever it was, over one hundred balls, goes 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.679 to about two thousand yards, over twenty touchdowns, and was 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.720 one of those receivers who it's just a handful in 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.520 the last decade. I'm not going to say he stands 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:31.320 completely alone where an opposing defensive coordinator whoever, is trying 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:32.840 to figure out what to call him, like, they're probably 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:36.800 going to Crabtree and you know, there's nothing you like, yeah, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.720 ok okay, and what do you want to about it? 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.919 And he is just I mean, that freshman year is 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.040 just something of legend. And then he makes, you know, 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.480 arguably the best catch maybe outside of the game winner 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.439 for Alabama the National Championship game of the past decade 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:52.800 as well. 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.600 So Crabtree for me is number one. Yep, number two 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:00.119 isn't that far off. And I know, I know he 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.280 sort of fell on a bad way after going to 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.119 the NFL. And again we covered that a bit on 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.040 our previous show. We're looking at college athletes what they 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:15.040 did on the field. Justin Blackman in three years at 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.919 Oklahoma State thirty five hundred and sixty four receiving yards, 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.840 forty receiving touchdowns. He was another one who falls into 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:27.679 that category where he was virtually unguardable. Was drafted what 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:32.240 the top five ish, yeah, number five in the twenty 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.639 twelve draft by the Jaguars. He's a guy that I 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:41.120 remember back when I was playing fantasy football in twenty twelve, 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:46.040 twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, I was bending over backwards because 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.960 I was wholly convinced that Justin Blackman was gonna be 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.520 the next big thing in the NFL. And it didn't 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.359 work out for a multitude of reasons. But yeah, black 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.360 men in college. 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.280 Not necessarily having to do with his talent. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.000 No, no, no, not having to do with this talent, had 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:05.480 some substance abuse things, and all that aside from a 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.960 pure talent perspective, and certainly in the college game. Another 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.080 one who falls in that unguardable category. I don't think 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.000 quite as high as Crabtree, but he's at least he's 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.360 at least in my wide receiving cores. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:22.360 Physically dominant unlike basically every receiver in this past decade 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.840 and was the rare guy. And there's a guy on 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:26.240 my list as well who I don't know if he 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.280 was as big as black Men, where he would just 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.960 run a crossing route, a drag route or something. You're like, oh, 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.159 that's a smart play call. It's you know, third and 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:34.560 eight and you're getting it to him. It's a little 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.080 bit of space. He's going to get that. And then like, 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.040 I think he just ran forty seven yards after the catch, 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:40.640 which at that size. 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.439 Which one of your three are you referring to. 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:44.040 I'm referring to Marquise Lee. 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:44.480 Okay. 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.880 That's why I thought Marquise Lee was somebody, and he 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:49.680 I think was a little bit more all purpose because 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:51.679 of his ability in the return game, and that's what 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.879 pushed him for me. I just remember he had a 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.119 window of you know, clenching your butt, holding your breath, 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.560 and that, to me, is that one of the highest 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.520 compliments I can pay. Because USC wasn't always in a 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:05.840 great place with him, and I know he had some 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.280 injury issues and Robert Woods was also there, and he 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.600 was again like all the next guy's even better, and 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:12.560 at times it did seem that way for Mark eas Lee, 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.879 he was just also electric with the ball, but built 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:21.000 that solidly that he would take that six yard route 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.359 and like, oh now he's that's seventy seven to the house. 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:27.760 Cool. Yeah, I remember the Marquise Lee era he was Yeah, 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:28.840 I'm with you on that one. 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:34.040 Twenty twelve, I think is when he peaked. Yeah, yeah, 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.480 who's next for you? I'm a little bit wishy wash 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:37.400 you on your next pick. 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:39.640 I've got Mike Evans here. 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.880 Yeah. Good at what he did? No, No, great at 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:44.400 what he did. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.880 I think one of the primary reasons I had Mike 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:53.680 Evans on here. First off, he was huge, huge, almost 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:58.800 twenty five hundred yards in two seasons seventeen receiving touchdowns 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:00.440