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Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoo? And no, Dan and Tie Welcome

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Speaker 2: thing to say, like this is our our favorite players

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Speaker 1: Best looking guy in college football, right there is he?

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Speaker 1: Let's start at the quarterback. Whoa position?

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Speaker 2: Headliners, tell me who you considered before your choices or choice?

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Speaker 2: I think you put it on the wrong show. I

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Speaker 2: was probably in the last ten years, He's probably not

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Speaker 2: one of the best forty college quarterbacks. Honorable mention, Yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: he's your honorable mention. You wormed sentimentality into tonight's And

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Speaker 2: who is your actual pick for the quarterback who has

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Speaker 2: best defined excellence? What's the Simpsons Award Outstanding Achievement in

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Speaker 2: the Field of Excellence. That's right, who is that award win?

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Speaker 1: It's got to be Tim Tebow.

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Speaker 1: Won the BCS Championship twice, one Heisman once one and

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Speaker 1: wouldn't consider Tim Tebow. I think he goes down as

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Speaker 1: one of the best college quarterbacks, one of the best

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Speaker 1: college football players of all time. For me, take the

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Speaker 2: Did you consider Sean Petty? Do you remember that name?

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Speaker 2: Of course, the Maryland linebacker forced to start at quarterback

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Speaker 2: necessarily Sean Petty. I considered Marcus Mariota, Heisman winner and

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, I don't know how you don't consider Lamar

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Speaker 2: Jackson for everything he did as he thrived those specific

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Speaker 2: but at the same time, he was just so good.

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Speaker 2: What was he the angry Ostrich something like that. I

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Speaker 2: goes such a long way for me. Johnny Manziel setting

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Speaker 2: just when I think about this past decade, I think

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Speaker 2: we probably spent more words talking about both of them

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Speaker 1: Enough, fair enough, fair enough. So we're going Manzel and Tebow,

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Speaker 2: Pretty good at pretty good as long as as long

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Speaker 2: So running back was actually easier than I thought it

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Speaker 2: put up huge yardage and huge games like how do

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Speaker 2: Well I did. I don't know if you did, but

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Speaker 1: I've got I've got four wide here, four that I

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Speaker 2: Your first selection on here I had. I was so

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Speaker 1: I've got Mike Evans here.

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Speaker 2: have just gone, Hey, Mike, you cool if we just

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Speaker 1: three years at Clemson. He's another one that falls into

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Speaker 1: that game breaking category where wasn't the biggest guy certainly

433
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: wasn't Mike Evans, but his ability to run in space

434
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Speaker 1: after catching the football and the acrobatics that we saw

435
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Speaker 1: on display sometimes catching passes from Taj Boyd. Remember that

436
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: was a Boyd era. Yep, he is unbelievable. Another one

437
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: that I was wholly convinced was going to be a

438
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 1: monster in the NFL, and it hasn't quite materialized to

439
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: that degree, but had all the all the tools that

440
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: you needed everything to really be a game breaking wide out.

441
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: I'm going to read for you twenty twelve's Clemson receiving

442
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: Corps and why it was difficult for me. Nuke Hopkins,

443
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: Sammy Watkins, Martavis Bryant, Adam Humphries. Wow, pretty good for them,

444
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 2: not bad, pretty good forsome. And then that's all ignoring

445
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: the fact that Mike Williams comes along and is excellent.

446
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: Ar Tavis Scott, Who am I missing? That's you know?

447
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: Since then you have well Dion Kine, Ray Ray McLeod,

448
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 2: Hunter Renfro, You got Hunter Renfro, Jordan Leggott at tight ends,

449
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: and then Justin Ross and t Higgins, like, it's just

450
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 2: it's been such an incredible run at receiver it was

451
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: impossible to select. So I didn't take any of them.

452
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 2: You took Watkins, and I thought that was good enough

453
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: and rightfully, so.

454
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So you've got two others.

455
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: On your side. Yes, So I had Mark Easley and

456
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 2: I explained that Tavon Austin.

457
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Speaker 1: I just I thought about Tavon Austin long and hard.

458
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: He was vapors Yeah, he was just vapor in that

459
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 2: his trail and that he made me weaken the knees

460
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: and when asked to just get spot duty at running back,

461
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: I want to say against Oklahoma, but maybe that was

462
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 2: a huge receiving game that he just stepped in and

463
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: Ranford three hundred yards. He was even with having another

464
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 2: All American caliber and high round draft pick in Steedman

465
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Speaker 2: Bailey opposite him, Tavon Austin was with the ball. Just

466
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 2: one of four people, whether Percy Harvin, d Anthony Thomas,

467
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: Tavon Austin, whoever else, that was just so fast and

468
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: so just stupidly dangerous that I couldn't leave him. I

469
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Speaker 2: just I felt too much while watching Tavon Austin and

470
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Speaker 2: My final pick is Tyler Lockett, Kansas State. Okay, I

471
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: the excellence when and this is another like everybody knows

472
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: Tyler Lockett's getting the ball. He went for over five

473
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: hundred combined against Oklahoma and Texas in the same season.

474
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: He was so automatic on a team that at times

475
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: struggled offensively that he bailed him out of so many

476
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 2: situations and games. And just if Crabtree was unguardable, Tyler

477
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 2: Lockett's unguardable. And the degree of difficulty I would say

478
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: for Tyler Lockett within some of the confines of the

479
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: Kansas State offense made it even more impressive at times.

480
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Speaker 1: To me.

481
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: I loved watching him.

482
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: I want to go back for a second. Okay, Tavon Austin. Yeah,

483
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: Tevon Austin is such a good pick.

484
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: Here, and I was so bummed an NFL team couldn't

485
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: figure out how to use him or he couldn't figure

486
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: out how to be an NFL all purpose weapon. But

487
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: come on, Tevon Austin doing everything for West Virginia he

488
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: had looking at his stats in twenty was it twenty eleven?

489
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: Was his or twenty eleven twenty twelve? He goes for

490
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty seven against LSU. I remember that

491
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: game that was at home. I believe the spot duty

492
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: at running back was I'm loading it up right now,

493
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: but it's just like, what more could he do three

494
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: forty four on the ground running back against Oklahoma twenty twelve?

495
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: In twenty twelve, I mean, and then iconically and changed

496
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: because we just talked about Clemson and just in terms

497
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 2: of his influence with the toss sweep in the Orange Bowl. Sure,

498
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: West Virginia, Clemson gets Kevin Steele fired, who is a

499
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: legitimately good defensive coordinator and still is, and Clemson turns

500
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: to Venables to to sort of modernize their defense, and

501
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 2: the rest is sort of history for them. But damn,

502
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: tave On Austin, You're killing everybody.

503
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: It represents so much of I think the hype, so

504
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: much of the building expectations at that time around Dana Holgerson. Yeah,

505
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: because he really came into his own under Holgerson. That

506
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: was the Gino Smith era the reserves, So there was

507
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: a lot of excitement around that West Virginia football program.

508
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: Obviously in a little bit of a different place right now,

509
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: but Tavon Austin's a really good pick, really good to

510
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: hold to rate our pick here.

511
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 2: I will always remember because I interviewed him and I

512
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: asked him, if you didn't go to West Virginia, where

513
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: did you want to go. He was like, I was

514
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: dying for an Oregon offer. Just like adding twenty twelve

515
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: Oregon with Tavon Austin, d' anthony Thomas and the Michael

516
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: James and Kenyon Barner. I guess it'll be twenty eleven.

517
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 2: Just run the flexbone, That's what that was my reaction

518
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: when you told me that, All right, next position.

519
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: So we're going to do offensive line that we're going

520
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: to take a momentary pause and continue on with the defense.

521
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: We haven't done a whole lot of deep diving of

522
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: offensive lines over the course of I don't know, the

523
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: last twelve years or so. The first name on my

524
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: list is also the first name on your list, and

525
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: that's Quentin Nelson. Ye, Quentin Nelson, violence of Notre Dame.

526
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: Violent as an offensive lineman, clearly paying dividends as a

527
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: high draft pick now in the NFL. Really the full

528
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: package when it comes to an offensive lineman. He just

529
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: mauled people. Dan mauled people in an era against teams

530
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: that had really good, big defensive lineman. There was just

531
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: never a match, never match that he couldn't handle Georgia LSU.

532
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: All of these games he showed up.

533
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the first one. Also in the Notre Dame category,

534
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: I'll throw Ronnie Stanley in there.

535
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: Oh, that wouldn't have been my second pick for Notre Dame.

536
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it is my second pick, not even

537
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: in this category. It's just the way that I grouped

538
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: them mentally because they're both from Notre Dame. Ronnie Stanley

539
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: had a very good college career. Shouldn't be overlooked.

540
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: Stanley over Zach Martin.

541
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: Zach Martin's a good one too. There have been a

542
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: lot of good Notre Dame offensive linemen. Correct, Yeah, Barrett

543
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: Jones should be higher on this list. Then perhaps I

544
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: gave him credit for Barrett Jones when when he was

545
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: playing for Alabama. I will never forget as long as

546
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: I live. We were doing a podcast during Barrett jones

547
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: junior senior year I forget, and I had Andy Staples on.

548
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: We were talking about a bowl game of BCS or

549
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: an SEC championship, a big game featuring Alabama.

550
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: And Staples loves Barrett Jones.

551
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Loved Barrett Jones, and I made an offhand comment at

552
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: the time saying that I forget which Alabama superstar was

553
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: the best player on the field. And you could tell

554
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: that he almost like Andy is the nicest guy in

555
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: the world, right, Yeah, something like Andy's the nicest guy

556
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: in the world. He's not looking to show anybody up.

557
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: But that was probably the closest he came to sort

558
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: of putting me in my place, because he said, excuse me,

559
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: the best player on the field is Barrett Jones. End

560
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: of starting fall stop.

561
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: Hard to watch an Alabama game and hear about the

562
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: Alabama offensive line without hearing about Barrett Jones. GPA difficult,

563
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: difficult and that's okay. I think he's doing is he

564
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: ed ESPN? Now? I think he's doing radio TV stuff

565
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: for ESPN. So he's got a bright, shining career in

566
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: front of him. But yes, that's a very good pick.

567
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: I know he he slid around the line a little bit.

568
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: He was a left tackle, he was a center. He

569
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: did what was asked to him. He probably did Rubik's cubes.

570
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: He was great. I can't argue with that pick at all.

571
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: Who's last for you?

572
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: The other name I have on here, and I don't

573
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: know if I should really put him on, but he

574
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: is notable because there was a movie made about him

575
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: literally the year after he left college. And that's Michael

576
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: Orr from O. Yes, very good, really good, very good

577
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: in college. Yeah, notable, perhaps more so for other reasons,

578
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: but went on to have a pretty good pro career. Yeah,

579
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: certainly a good college career. Yeah, Michael wore interesting name.

580
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: So I had Quentin Nelson. The only other player I

581
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: had here was Brandon Shurf. Oh, because that's the other

582
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: like and they run particularly well if I remember correctly

583
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: when Shurf was anchoring one side of the line, but

584
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: what he was able to do, especially in past protection,

585
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: and I assume it was was it Mark Wiseman or

586
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: Akram Wadley, I don't know whoever it was. Was damn

587
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: lucky to be behind Brandon Shurf because at his best

588
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: the violence was also there. And those are two guys

589
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: which anybody who watched either Quenton Nelson or Brandon Shurf

590
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: watching their cutups, watching their highlights of what they were

591
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: doing to defensive linemen, the only correct reaction was like,

592
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: how do we get a guy like that on our team.

593
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: Didn't you tell me you had a bully to find

594
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: that would who would pump himself up? Yes for leg

595
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: day or whatever by.

596
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a former offensive line Yes, loved Brandon Shurf,

597
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: but there was there was a lot to Brandon Shurf

598
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: that was just excellent. So Nelson's my my standing alone

599
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: on a hill pick for this. But yeah, both of

600
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: those dudes so great. Trey Jackson also counts a little

601
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: bit for me. I really liked watching him at Florida State,

602
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: so I would probably slide him in there as well.

603
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,200
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Speaker 2: Do you want to drool over more players?

651
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: Let's flip over to the defensive side of the ball, Dan.

652
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have a kick return or anything? Or

653
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: are we going to do that later?

654
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: We can do that later. Okay, defense, start me off

655
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: with your defensive lineman. There is some similarity here.

656
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: It was impossible. It was impossible. I know who I

657
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: have as my most impressive player. That's in Dominic and

658
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: Sue Yes, two thousand and nine and Dominican Sue was

659
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: going to wreck you, and that is a reality that

660
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: you were going to have to make peace with. I'm

661
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: so sorry for what he put you through. Colt McCoy

662
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: must be very harrowing. You must wake up in the

663
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: middle of the night sometimes and you can see the

664
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: grass underneath his cleats. I get it. He was impossible.

665
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: He was next to it was Jared Crick right, yes,

666
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: next to Jared Crik for Nebraska. I always get that

667
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: confused with It was Owdric on Penn stage.

668
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: Jareddrick. Yeah.

669
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very very confusing for me. But in

670
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: Dominican Sue was and I have other names here who

671
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: were unstoppable, unguardable, terrifying. In Dominican Sue, I think, to me,

672
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: still stands alone on this hill as i've as I've

673
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 2: been saying, who else you got, I've got Jadavion Clowney. Okay,

674
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: just because physically athletically from defensive end, we have not

675
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: had another Jadeveon Clowney. Jadevion, excuse me, I have Aaron

676
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: Donald who in terms of production inside how quickly he

677
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: got off the ball. The fact that he almost athletically

678
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: was a safety at defensive tackle. He was so nimble

679
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: and just all over the place and disruptive. Aaron Donald

680
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: is there for Pitt. It's just it is one of

681
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: the great tragedies to me, and I don't care that

682
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 2: much about the NFL or the NFL Draft, but that

683
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: he fell as far as he did where it's just like,

684
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: there's nothing anybody can do about Aaron Donald. Why are

685
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: you not taking him in the top five? That's insane?

686
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: And then the final answer is somebody who's undersized, because

687
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: these are all giant dudes. My first three, I have

688
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: Vic Beasley there. Yeah, the speed with which he came

689
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: off the edge to me was just terrifying as well.

690
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 2: And I know they've put Clemson has put a ton

691
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: now of great defensive linemen into the NFL in all

692
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: four this past year, but going back to Shackloss and

693
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 2: Kevin Dodd whoever, there have been great ones, Vic Beasley

694
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: was for me more must watch than any of them.

695
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: And as runners up, and I went with TCU's defensive

696
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 2: ends on the Sentimental Show, I kind of just wanted

697
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: to go with the twenty thirteen Missoo defensive line just

698
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if they even all started but Michael

699
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: sam Cony, Ealy, Shane Ray, Marcus Golden in the same

700
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: room is just it's worth noting.

701
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: So I've got and Domikin Sue or as you once said,

702
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: Nom Dekon Sue.

703
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: Dom dom de Kong.

704
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah to David Clowney, both those guys are they have

705
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: to be on this all time defensive line. Here's a

706
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: guy that you missed.

707
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 2: I'm ready.

708
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: JJ Watt.

709
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are multiple Watts I missed.

710
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: JJ Watt is easily the most interesting storyline here. Keep

711
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: in mind remember his story. He was a two star

712
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: tight end out of high school, got a scholarship with

713
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: Butch Jones at Central Michigan. Yeah, and then left, had

714
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: the jone is to leave so that he could walk

715
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: on as a defensive end at Wisconsin. Obviously, had an

716
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: outstanding college career, left after his junior year eleventh overall

717
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: picked by the Texans. The rest is history. Has had

718
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: a pretty good NFL career whenever he's able to stay healthy.

719
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: But when I remember about what not only his ability

720
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: to change the game, his ability to bat down balls

721
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: has had an impact in the NFL and certainly had

722
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: a bigger impact in the college game as well. Because

723
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: it's just it's not the same caliber offensive line, not

724
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: the same caliber quarterback opposite that, and what was really

725
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: a game changer when he came in and started making

726
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: his mark in Wisconsin.

727
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: We haven't mentioned any Alabama defensive lineman and there are

728
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: a ton. Oh yeah, I would spotlight Jonathan Allen just

729
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: because of his versatility. I loved him so so much sentimentally.

730
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: I would, you know, Mount Cody, I think we've brought

731
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: up I was hoping to bring up I don't remember

732
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: if I did last week, but Jonathan Allen to me

733
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: among that very long list, and there have been you

734
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: know whoever it is, Corney Upshaw or Ashawn Robinson, guys

735
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: who have been drafted highly, Jonathan Allen being able to

736
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: adjust to so many different styles. There's a bunch of

737
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: LSU guys, Brockers, Sam Montgomery, Glenn Dorsey, was you know,

738
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: somebody that we probably should be listing in these top four,

739
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: but there's just not enough spots. I just man, you

740
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: look at the long list of Alabama dus, You're like,

741
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: I don't what. It's the same thing with the Clemson

742
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 2: receivers formula, Like, how am I supposed to choose just one.

743
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: Glenn Dorsey, by the way, was before the soliverbal So

744
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: don't feel bad.

745
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: Was he not eight?

746
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: He was seven? Oh?

747
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: Okay, so now I don't feel bad.

748
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: Rest assured. Okay, okay, let's go to linebacker. There's one here.

749
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: It's an obvious one. I have to say. Manti Tao Ooh,

750
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: Manti Tayo will forever go down as the victim of

751
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: that weird catfishing thing. But all that aside and the zoo,

752
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: the circus that that was one of the most decorated

753
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: college football players of all time, had one hundred or

754
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: more tackles in three straight seasons, one a Defensive Impact

755
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: Player of the Year Award, the Lot Trophy, the Maxwell Award,

756
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: the Beeneric Award, the Bronco Newgirsky Trophy, the Bucket Award,

757
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: the Lombardi Award, and the Walter Frickin Camp Award. Wow, that,

758
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: my friends, is a hell of a college career. I

759
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: don't care what he did at the next level. I

760
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: don't care about the weird catfishing thing. Manti Tao was

761
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: incredible as a college linebacker and deserves to be a

762
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: top this list.

763
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's and especially with what he was

764
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: asked to do within the I guess this would be

765
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: the challenger right to your Cam McDaniel, best looking. What

766
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: was the defensive coordinator's name, Bobiaco? You're Bob Diacoah is

767
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: a challenger? God, how did I forget Diaco's name? But

768
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 2: you know, dropping into that sort of center field pseudo

769
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: safety spot, he was asked to a lot within that defense.

770
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: He was incredible, really had an incredible run. So that's

771
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: definitely the end of Notre Dame linebackers for you. Correct.

772
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: I've also got Jalen Smith on here.

773
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 2: I know this is your like fifth Notre Dame player, Okay,

774
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: I know. Jalen Smith was amazing.

775
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith was amazing. He was going to be, if

776
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: not the top pick, probably a top three pick in

777
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen draft. Before he blew his knee out

778
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: against Ohio State. He was everywhere. We talked about Joe

779
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: Schmidt on the last show. The contrast between Joe Schmidt

780
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: and Jalen Smith, seeing them next to each other on

781
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: the field really showed you how gifted this kid was.

782
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: And now the fact that he has healed up from

783
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: his injury took a couple of years, but was very

784
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: productive for the Cowboys last season. My guess is the

785
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: Cowboys got a steal. They were willing to invest and

786
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: wait on him, hoping that he'd heal up, and it

787
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: seems like the kind of thing now it's going to

788
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: pay out dividends at the next level.

789
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: I think that's right. Yeah.

790
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: The other name here that I'll mention before I throw

791
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: it over to I don't want to disrespect Alabama. Uh oh,

792
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: so I want to talk about Rolando McLean.

793
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was superb.

794
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: He was unbelievable in the two thousand and nine season.

795
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: It's the kind of thing that sticks out from the

796
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: early days of our podcast. I remember talking about Alabama

797
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: and just coming across his name in an article or

798
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: recap or highlight as I was watching and doing the studying,

799
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: the necessary studying to do this show, and it was like,

800
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: holy freaking crap, this guy is so good. He is

801
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: so good that nine season sticks with me now. Rolando

802
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: McLean had a lot go on after he went to

803
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: the Pros, and there was a bit of a downturn

804
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: there that we won't talk about here. I saw he

805
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: recently got a degree from Alabama, finished his degree. So

806
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: that's good. Cool, that's great, But certainly in terms of

807
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: athletic prowess, it was all there for Lando mclin.

808
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean I'm in a group Orlando McClain

809
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: with my first pick because I think there's a lot

810
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 2: of similarity in just how much they were able to do,

811
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 2: whether it was sideline to sideline, in coverage, in stuffing

812
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: the run, in just diagnosing things. I mean, that's what

813
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: you want from you're either inside linebacker or middle linebacker. Right,

814
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: they're the quote quarterback of the defense. There is something

815
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 2: about the best of the best at this position, going

816
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: back to in the modern era of Patrick Willis, that

817
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: was before our era, I believe, or else he would

818
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: be on this yes, yes, where you remember you remember

819
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: on Saved by the Bell, Zach would be able to

820
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: freeze time be like, hey, I don't think you know

821
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: she even realizes that I'm going to the dance. He

822
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: breaks the fourth wall. There is something about an excellent

823
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: middle linebacker who, as soon as the ball is snapped,

824
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: the entire play freezes looks around in a time continuum,

825
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: a space time continuum that nobody else is privy to me,

826
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: Like I see what's going on here? I see what's

827
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: going on here, and you just you couldn't get anything

828
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: past Luke Keigley or Orlando McLain in terms of diagnostics.

829
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: They would look at you and you'd be like, oh,

830
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: maybe on passing, maybe we're going deep, maybe we're running

831
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: a couple slants, like, you're not doing that. Maybe we're

832
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: I don't know it was a screen. No, you're not

833
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: running a screen. What are we doing? What are we doing?

834
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna run off tackle? Maybe a counter.

835
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, uh, how did you know? And that was

836
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: the Luke Keegley and Rolando McClain experience, that they just

837
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: had this intuition like they had hacked into the radio

838
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: in the quarterback's helmet. It was so fun to watch

839
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 2: both of those guys. So I have Keikley, who had

840
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: seven hundred and forty four tackles in his three years.

841
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 2: I have Jarvis Jones, who had a weird path going

842
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 2: from USC where he was medically, you know, not clear

843
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 2: to play. Then he ends up at Georgia and then

844
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: he just destroys everything you want to do from the

845
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: edge as an outside linebacker sort of a stand up

846
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: rush end outside linebacker. He was incredible to me. And

847
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: then my final pick. It's a combination of sentimental and

848
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: just excellence. It's Fonteze perfect.

849
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: Oh man, I still have nightmares about Vontees perfect.

850
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 2: Vontez perfect. And I was also considering Miles Jack here

851
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: just because of what he was also asked to do

852
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: on offense, and this would have been sentimental Owen Marie

853
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: sick plankful back and linebacker. But Vontez perfect. If you

854
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: have not had a chance watches college stuff, it's all great.

855
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: He's mean, he's angry, he's going to get a lot

856
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: of penalties, and it's going to be kind of worth

857
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 2: it if you're rooting for him. But if you ever

858
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: have a chance to watch his high school film, oh yeah,

859
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: he's just almontying everybody. He looks like he's twenty seven,

860
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: he's never been kissed. Whatever comparison you want to make,

861
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 2: he is stupid in high school and in the best

862
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: possible way and makes me want to if you ever

863
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: have the opportunity to come across our friend Brandon Huffman

864
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: and you just end up talking about West Coast high

865
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: school football, I don't know if this is true of

866
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: Vontez perfect, but just reminded me of him. He will

867
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: he will pull out facts like now many people know this,

868
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: but Vontez Berfect's uncle is drag racing legend and knows

869
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 2: everything about everybody. And I just love that Vontez perfect

870
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: destroyed everybody in LA.

871
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: It was great, Monteze perfect.

872
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: Montes perfect. And the picture of him pointing Matt Barkley

873
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: maybe iconic. Totally iconic. All right, Next up, defensive back.

874
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: We already talked a little bit about to Ron honey Badger.

875
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the honey Badger. In two years, he forced eleven fumbles,

876
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: recovered eight of them, returned two of them for touchdowns. Yeah,

877
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: had four interceptions, ran back two punts for touchdowns. I

878
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: couldn't find it in the stats, but I'm certain he

879
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: blocked kicks along the way and was just a special

880
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: team's wizard. Dan. He changed the game. He had such

881
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: a nose for the ball and his playmaking ability wherever

882
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: he was on the football field. It's different than Saquon Barkley, obviously,

883
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: but it's that same sort of edge where you just

884
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: you know the potential is there to change the game

885
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: anytime the ball is in his vicinity. And it was

886
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: a shame the way things went down at at LSU

887
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: that we didn't get another year from him at LSU.

888
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: And you know, he's obviously moved on to the NFL

889
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: now and has had a decent enough career, but his

890
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: first two seasons at LSU, when he garnered that nickname

891
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: Honey Badger, right, just a ton of fun to watch

892
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: as a fan.

893
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 2: There is something about value added with guys like Tyra

894
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: Matthew where you're right, it's you know, the punt returning,

895
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: the special teams, the ability to go from safety to

896
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: nickel corner, to blitz from wherever, to know, just a

897
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: standard corner, whatever. That he could occupy so many roles

898
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: in the same drive, in the same game, whatever, that

899
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: he was just too valuable to leave off this with

900
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: as high a level and how's game changing as he was.

901
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: For that same reason, I have Jalen Ramsey. When you

902
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: have that all field defensive ability to make plays no

903
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: matter the situation, I just those are the two people

904
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: I want on my team, maybe more than anybody on

905
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 2: this list outside of Sue is Matthew and Ramsey just

906
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: because of the versatility on defense where you can task

907
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: them with anything and They're not only going to be competent,

908
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: but they're going to excel. So that's why I have

909
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: both of them.

910
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: I like it. You've also got Patrick Peterson and Eric

911
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: Barry on your list.

912
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I doubled up with LSU guys because Patrick Peterson

913
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: was just smothering and Eric Barry just the intuition there,

914
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 2: similar to what I feel about ROLANDA. McLain and Luke Keigley.

915
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: But Eric Barry just game changer at safety, could come up,

916
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: could play center field, diagnosed everything quickly, just a football

917
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 2: mind in the defensive backfield that almost stands alone. Over

918
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 2: this past decade, played for what was in football talent

919
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 2: as well Bill Fulmer and Lane Kiffin. I want to

920
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: say it's see fourteen interceptions in three years, had seven

921
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: picks in his sophomore year, went on to a long

922
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: and prosperous NFL career. I think he just got released

923
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 2: by the Chiefs. Some serious hurdles too in the NFL.

924
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: Has overcome a ton.

925
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: Another name here that you know. I don't know if

926
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: he goes as one of the greatest of all time.

927
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: I was enamored with Taylor Maze from US OH.

928
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 2: I love Taylor Mays and I don't think he was

929
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: that good, but I loved.

930
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Taylor Mays was a three time

931
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: first team All American. M h, there aren't a whole

932
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: lot of those guys, so, at least in a college sense,

933
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: that's pretty damn good's that's among the very best. He

934
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: was a freaking torpedo. He was coming down from that

935
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: safety piece hard. He was six three two twenty six.

936
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: And this was only USC timing its own players, so

937
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: take it with a grain of salt, but they had

938
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: timed him out like a four to three to two

939
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: forty yard dash. That is a rocket coming down from

940
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: the safety position, mauling guys. He was huge. Didn't work

941
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: out in the NFL, but who cares Taylor Mays. I

942
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: had a serious, serious, serious thing for Taylor Mays. I

943
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: was very into the Taylor Mays air at USC.

944
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: If you were to put together a team of player

945
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: like the off the Bus team, you know a lot

946
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: of sports writers and TV people would be like, well, i'

947
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: let's see you. Getting off the bus is just something else.

948
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: It's just different. Taylor Mays is a get off, you know,

949
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: getting off the bus kind of player at that size

950
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: how he was so impressive right away. Physically, he was

951
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: also at times probably the least favorite defensive back of

952
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: USC fans because he was.

953
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: Yes, well he was going two row.

954
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: You're he was gonna throw his shoulder into you and

955
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: maybe decapitate you, or maybe you're the opposite the opposing

956
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: player which just bounce off and keep going. He was

957
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: that the wrapping up left something to be desired. His

958
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: coverage skills at times left something to be desired, but

959
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: physically he could deliver something unlike probably any safety or

960
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 2: three safeties over the past decade.

961
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: In hindsight, probably for the best that he didn't play

962
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: during the targeting era.

963
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say so.

964
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: So there you go. The other name here I've got

965
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: is Prince Amukamara. Yeah, also excellent, very good at Nebraska.

966
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: Better at Nebraska than he ended up being in the pros.

967
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: Fun name, lockdown corner. I don't know, we had a

968
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: lot of fun with him. Prince.

969
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: I like Prince Yeah. I mean those were some seriously

970
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: great defenses, those Polini defenses. Neil was like eight oh

971
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 2: nine ten somewhere in there. Those were crazy impressive kicker

972
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 2: and punter. You got any needs, Yeah, I just want

973
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 2: punter here. I have JK. Scott and Michael Dixon because

974
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: they're putting a hurt in on that ball and they're

975
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: placing it and they're pinning it and they are it's

976
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 2: not cute what they did. Like there's something like that

977
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 2: we like making not making fun, but having fun with like, oh,

978
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: this punter's crazy good? Like, no, they were. I don't

979
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: like punting. I don't like the conservative nature of a

980
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: lot of coaches and offensive coordinators at times playing for

981
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: field position when mathematically it makes no sense. But if

982
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 2: you have Michael Dixon, if you have JK. Scott and

983
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: you can pin somebody inside the five pretty consistently in

984
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 2: big games, I get it. But if you don't, let's

985
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: let's be a little bit more aggressive. But those two

986
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: just absolute boots and accurate, consistent, you know, forty five

987
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: plus yards average, both of them. I just fall under

988
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: the almost the Quenton Nelson, Like, how do we find

989
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: that guy? Yeah, how do we find that? Because definitely

990
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: changed the game for those teams for Bama in Texas.

991
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: To be clear, JK. Scott Alabama, Michael Dixon Texas.

992
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: Mine is Roberto Aguayo for Florida, Okay, Yeah, he was

993
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: pretty automatic. He went one ninety eight for one ninety

994
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: eight as a kicker on extra points over his career.

995
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: He was one for one in field goals zero to

996
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: nineteen yards, twenty eight of twenty eight from twenty to

997
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: twenty nine yards, seventeen of seventeen from thirty to thirty

998
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: nine yards. Again, we're talking about a college kicker here.

999
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: These kinds of guys don't grow on trees. After you

1000
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: got beyond forty he wasn't quite as successful, but eighteen

1001
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: of twenty four over his career from outside forty five

1002
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: of eight over the span of his career from outside

1003
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: fifty hit fifty three yarders in the college game. That's

1004
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: a weapon, as a serious weapon from twenty thirteen to

1005
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen for Jimbo Fisher, and they took full advantage

1006
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: of it.

1007
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 2: They did one hundred percent. Did huge.

1008
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: Who else we got here? You got a kick returner.

1009
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go de Anthony the Anthony Okay, yeah, because

1010
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: he both kicked returning and punt returning. Chris Owusu is

1011
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: a name that I would throw in there.

1012
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: What about CJ. Spiller? I think that was right at

1013
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: the early.

1014
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 2: That oh wait, I think that was Owait.

1015
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: I think that k Wait nine somewhere in there.

1016
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 2: It was very Yeah, he was OLW eight O nine.

1017
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: He was very difficult. I think he returned three or

1018
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: four either in one of those years. He was very

1019
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: difficult to leave off because I was going on and

1020
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: on about all purpose and versatility, and he had the

1021
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: game where I think he ran caught and threw a touchdown. C. J.

1022
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: Spiller is worth mentioning in any context for the best

1023
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: of these these teams.

1024
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: All right, well, there you go. We wanted to try

1025
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: and put together like an hour long show, and I

1026
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: think if I listed out everyone that I wanted to

1027
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: at least shout out, we'd have been here all night.

1028
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 1: But please let us know. Look us up on social

1029
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: silver wellgmail dot com. Let us know if there are any

1030
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: names and stand out to you that should have been

1031
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 1: on our list.

1032
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: The important thing is we included both casual address James

1033
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 2: Franklin and Nick Foles.

1034
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I.

1035
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: Know, not including Nape Sudfeld kept you ump at night,

1036
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: but you know you've persevered. And Jake Rudock. I'm trying

1037
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 2: to think of a well, who is Okay, I have

1038
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: a question for you, because I have an answer.

1039
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: Okay, who is the.

1040
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 2: Most ultimately and I don't mean this to be super

1041
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: mean but inconsequential, but will hold a soft spot in

1042
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: your heart more for this one very specific thing. So

1043
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: Tim Tebow did it well. Tim Tebow his freshman year

1044
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: because you selected him as your quarterback. He was the

1045
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: change of pace, short yardage trick play. You know, does

1046
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: the jump pass stuff like that? Right?

1047
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: Right?

1048
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 2: There are two players that that oldti became their role

1049
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: and they just it ended after that. Okay, eighteen wheeler

1050
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: package or the Belldozer? Who who do you have a

1051
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 2: softer spot's the eighteen wheeler package because I don't know

1052
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 2: that we I mean, is there anything more like of

1053
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: this era than like, yeah, he's gonna come in and

1054
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 2: he's generally gonna run it, but you know, sometimes he's

1055
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: gonna throw it poorly.

1056
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: The eighteen wheeler package for me was okay, swoops, okay,

1057
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: because there was so much energy that had to go

1058
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: into branding that and making it into like a feel

1059
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: good story. Yeah, and it really wasn't all that great.

1060
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: So and I'm trying to I don't have the list

1061
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: in front of me, but a special shout out if

1062
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about this past era of two

1063
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: thousand and eight two modern times of that opening weekend game,

1064
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 2: we were like, oh, buddy, this is set in the

1065
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 2: tone for this year. And then Notre Dame in Texas.

1066
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: Both weren't good. That was great. If I'm getting my

1067
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: years correct, all.

1068
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: Right, Well again, you know how to find us. If

1069
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: you haven't already, please subscribe to the show. You can

1070
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: find all of our links out at solidverbal dot com.

1071
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: We will be back with you a week from tonight.

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Speaker 1: Talk more college football. In the meantime, enjoy the rest

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Speaker 1: of your week, enjoy all of your weekend. Please do

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Speaker 1: reach out one more time, let us know what's on

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Speaker 1: your mind, and by all means, stay solid.

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Speaker 2: Peace.