WEBVTT - #559 - Chuck D 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.359 Yo, Chuck, do you right here? 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:04.720 You could check me out of Public Enemy on the 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:06.279 Bootleg CAV podcast. 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:08.960 Hey, before we start the episode, we're gonna remind everybody, man, 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:11.280 we got one of the biggest radio shows in the country, 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:15.240 syndicated in almost one hundred cities all over. Shout out 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.279 to iHeartRadio. All right, some of the latest cities that 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.120 we've been able to add. Man, I want to give 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.119 a shout out to ninety three point nine to beat 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.600 in Honolulu. That's right, Hawaii, We over there going crazy. 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:27.720 I also want to give a shout out Hot ninety 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.520 eight three and Tucson. Shout out to Tucson going crazy. 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:32.280 Also want to give a shout out to Wild ninety 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:36.320 four one in Tampa going crazy. We just got Richmond. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.599 We also just got the good folks in Bakersfield at 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.000 Hot one O four seven. So we're going crazy on 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.920 the radio with my partner James Andre Jefferson Junior for 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.080 the BOOTLEGKEV Show. So make sure you tune in and 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.440 you can listen anywhere on that iHeart Radio app. That's right, 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:58.520 let's get into the interview. Bootleg CAB Podcasts special guest 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.880 one of the greats. This guy. I mean listen, when 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.040 I say he's a living legend, I mean that is 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.680 we got Chuck d Man, one of the most important 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.319 figures in music history. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:11.160 Welcome. 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.560 Well, I'm grateful to be invited in your palace. 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:15.360 Look at this man. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:17.440 Yes, I don't know if it's it's a palace. It's 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:19.759 just you know, it's just a hang you know. No, it'sace. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.240 I'm you know, and these are thrones, man, So I'm 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:24.479 glad to be invited on it. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.440 You know, we met in the lobby outside. I was like, 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.600 I actually met you when I was a kid. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:30.760 You know. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.640 I grew up with Raka Iris Science is a little 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:37.920 brother from Dilated. So every time Dilated would come to Arizona, 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.039 I would go hang out with Rock and Evidence and 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.959 Baboo and those guys. And they opened up for you 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:47.400 on tour Lack Delicious. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.320 Man, it was a nice tour. And really and you 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:51.720 said you met me at fourteen. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:53.560 Yeah, I don't know if I was fourteen. 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:54.040 I was. 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:58.080 It was in that somewhere arranged and I remember Raka 0:01:58.080 --> 0:01:59.560 introduced me to you, and I was just like, yo, 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.200 this is because I read your book probably the year 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.559 prior to that, you know, you used to get dropped 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.000 off at the library as a kid, and then you 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:07.840 just find ship and then it was like yo, Chuck 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:08.640 D's got a book. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:12.880 Yeah yeah, I've had ten cents. So it's been this 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.560 incredible full circle. Got a project with Death Jam and 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.440 here I Am and you know keV spot Man. 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.840 Yeah, the new album is it's dope because it's like 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.760 it's got a real theme and uh, you know, you 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.760 got people kind of like I like I was listening, 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.880 I ran through it last night. You got some legends 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.040 checking in, like King T's got a quick like what 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:33.639 up on there? 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.080 And then and jag Fu Front and uh, you know 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.079 Damage and you got Daddy Oh and we got Miranda 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:45.840 Rights and also people like phielmost Chill and drops from 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.360 King like you said, King T and school e D 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.000 and school d Man. So you know, you know what 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.840 it is radio radio I'm again. It is almost like 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:59.560 it's like a radio station full of Paul's Boutigue meets 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:04.480 DJ Shadow with Woo Tang hanging outside getting ready to 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:07.440 fight security, dypt in acid. It ain't even meant to be, 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:09.480 like bro, It's like it's not meant to even be 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:10.560 like you know, it's crazy. 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.040 It is like there is like a now that you 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:14.800 say the DiPT in acid part, like if I was 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:16.720 tripping a little, I feel like the album would have 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:17.880 been a lot, like really intense. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.680 Yeah, it's it's like it had no beginning, no end 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.720 to it, like if you took it and got to 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:24.679 a stream of ice. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.560 I'm saying it's the last interview I did. 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.760 If you took it and put it in a shuffle, 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.280 it would make no difference, right, It's like it could 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.920 pick up and lead it has. Yeah, it has no 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.080 beginning to end and you know, like you know, like 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:41.800 when they had the Lamb and they shave it off 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.080 for Jiro's Yes, that's why these are not singles that 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.200 come off with they like like like slices, right, So 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.680 you know, I mean the whole thing about Radio arm Again. 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.480 I got to give props number one too, my guy, 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.560 my partner, my record label. We were all super independent 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.400 throughout the years. So the props go out to Sea Doc, 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.040 and Sea Doc is like the Brian Eno of hip 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.840 hop because he understood. He comes under the tutelage of 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:12.320 learning the bomb squad beat changes in sudden left turns, 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:16.000 and I think his toolbox in twenty twenty five, is 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.960 now usable and gets through all the legalities, which is 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:20.840 the hardest thing to make any of these type of 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.839 records in a major company is the legalities. And he's 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.880 figured out that way with today's toolbox. To figure that 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.640 way of that particular style, you don't really hear a 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.680 lot of beat changes underneath its. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.600 M sees no more because you have clearance issues, yes, 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:38.840 the clearance so your. 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.440 Creations and your whole way you pull it from what 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.760 you create, and all that has to be a different 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.400 and he's figured I'm telling you in twenty twenty five, 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.760 he's a Brian eno a hip hop and rap music 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:53.480 right now because his toolbox is something I think other 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:54.600 people are gonna mimic. 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.480 Can you Because I've been saying this, I've said this 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.440 in a bunch of interviews, but I feel like, first 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.400 of all, the timing for an album right now, just 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.040 where the world is from Chuck d I feel like 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.600 the timing is amazing. I feel like we But what 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.520 I always say is, I don't know. You know, when 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:17.920 I was growing up, we had you know, the Mortal technique, 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:23.320 and the generation before was public Enemy and and you 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.960 know there was such thing as conscious hip hop, you knows, 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:31.440 and revolutionary hip hop is. And I feel like, you know, 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:33.680 there's still some guys doing it, but they're still like 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.400 I think a Killer Mike, you know, guys like that. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.760 But Killer Mike's a OG now, you know. But I 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.720 always say, like, man, it sometimes its a little disheartening 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.159 because there's not uh, there's not. I don't know where 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.840 that energy is for the kids these days who are 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:49.920 hip hop fans. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.480 Well, they listen with their eyes. They listened with their 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.640 eyes first. You know, you're probably the last part of 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.040 the generation that listen with your ears. And that's why 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.240 Enemy Radio which is the which is the particular act 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.919 that has done radio armageddon. It's like the mc DJ 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.720 component of Public Enemy. So my my MC style on 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.839 it is not really conventional. It's almost like the MC 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:19.920 that introduces the rapper. Yeah yeah, so I might come 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.480 off with an orthodox wild you know, Warpe style, but 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.320 that style is so different in different parts. It's not 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.200 even meant to be judged because it's going to introduce. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.159 It's kind of like your interpolation, would you say of like. 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.000 Don cornelis on acid. 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.760 Right, like doing the like the radio DJ in the 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:40.160 Chuck D Way, I mean. 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.200 Yeah yeah, and in public Enemy, if that something comes 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.640 up out of it, it's going to be Chuck d 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:48.520 Plavor flame like it. 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.680 You know. Like that is so you know, to come 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:52.640 on Enemy Radio. 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:58.800 The first and foremost is the mcs, the rappers, and 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.440 also the DJs, because there's a few DJs on it, 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.840 like m Rock Our Chicago. He's just like just nasty 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.800 DJs and sometimes you know, and I'm in right here, 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:14.160 you know, in Los Angeles, Los Angeles, and like Bootleg 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:17.360 cavn on you guys are more DJ centric anyway. Yeah, 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:18.760 we are a big DJ town. 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.800 The beat junkies, mixed Master Mike and you know, the 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.360 scratch Pickles. I feel like West Coast in general, California. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.680 We love, we love, we love our turntable lists. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.520 Yes, yes, and and this is like a homage to that. 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:35.560 And also you know, like we've always had great turntable 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:37.840 lists and DJs always in our sight. 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.480 But we come from radio, you know. 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:44.160 So people that that peeled off of us from Terminator X, well, 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.320 I was able to be with def Jam and do 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.560 the first compilation albums with the Terminate I produced the 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:53.200 first two Terminator X albums and then we had DJ 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:54.760 Lord with us for twenty years. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.880 Was now the DJ Cypress Hill the greatest group in 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.360 the world. Shout out to Cypress Hill. Yeah you be 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.840 real and Tom. You guys had a cool that's a 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:04.840 good four year run. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:10.280 He be real, Tom Morello, you know, Brad Wilt, Timmy 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.720 c and also DJ Lord. 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:14.840 So yeah, I mean that was that had to be 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.400 profits of rage, man, that was that was something that 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.000 was a ball. Yeah, No, that that was sick. I 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.320 just remember like hearing about it and when it first 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.360 got announced, I was like, wait a minute. So it's 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.520 like Rage against the Machine, but with Chuck d and 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:28.120 b Real. 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.280 Like and DJ Lord too, it's like the Lord is 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.440 the one that really capped up because those musicians did 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:42.040 not know how to put a turntables into their conversation. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:47.240 You know, Brad on drums, Tom on guitar making DJ 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.720 sounds and also Timmy on bass, the funkiest bass player 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.079 ever in rock. But DJ Lord is a monster and 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.560 he can make a turntable sound like a guitar as 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.760 Tom was making a guitar sound a turntable. So Lord 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.880 Lord with them was really a four piece unit as 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.760 opposed to you know his three guys in a band 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.719 and three band members and a turntable. 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.559 Can you take me back to when you guys first 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:19.000 get with def Jam. You guys are are doing something 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.480 that nobody had really done before on that level in 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.920 terms of the subject matter and the and the content 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:26.400 that was. 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.199 We was Kevin's just because we were older, that's all. 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.719 But I'm saying like was there because these days it 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.120 feels like if you talk about certain shit, there's an 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.760 uphill challenge in terms of whether or not, like maybe 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.480 the label will be like, hey, maybe shit tone this down. 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:40.720 Maybe. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:42.000 Did you guys deal with any of that? 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:43.080 No, not at all. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.280 We never dealt with racism coming at us. We never 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.560 dealt with somebody telling us what to do. Rick Rubin 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:51.880 begged me kind of and asked me to do records 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.400 for two years. So once I agreed, it's a different understanding, right, 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.240 you know what I'm saying. I mean I would turn 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.760 down calls from Rick Rubin to my house, like I 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.160 don't want to do records. We wanted to do radio. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:06.200 So I'm automatically My first day is not a jubilation. 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:07.000 It was surrender. 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:07.400 Right. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:08.960 We couldn't do the radio dreams. 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.000 But you know, fast forward, I have rap Station, which 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.079 is twelve station app and it apps are hard to make. 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:16.040 They are. 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.959 That cheap thing and now and not easy to make 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:23.880 because you had the world of glitches and you got 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.319 the realm of security. So we built rap Station, which 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.800 is twelve station channels all with rap. These of hip 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.319 hop dedicated for sixteen years now, but the app has 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.040 been built for five and then to bring the Noise app, 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:39.400 which is really the really the trend set of there. 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.559 Dude. I always wonder like when you have, like like 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.600 you have a couple of the greatest hip hop albums 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.000 of all time and under your belt, like when you 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.199 guys are getting ready to release it takes a nation 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:51.840 of millions to. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:52.360 Hold this back. 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.400 Do you guys understand like how fucking good it is 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.640 and like how it might change everything? 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.199 Yeah, I have interviews that said I'm making the what's 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.760 going on in rap music months before we put it right, 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:05.840 so you got you know, but you know what it is, Kevin, 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.800 you know it was already a leaning tree. I'm ten 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.280 years older. I didn't studied everything in it. I knew 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.079 what was coming out. We were really the beginning of 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.360 the album oriented, you know, rap artists, where it was 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:19.560 still a singles media. 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.680 Yeah, there were still singles vinyls getting released. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.720 Yeah, and you know, and we knew everything from Iron 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.160 Maiden to Marvin Gangs, so we knew how to make 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:31.040 an album. So when I trust me, I'm coming off 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.959 my first tour year in eighty seven, So by the 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.240 time we get back in the lamp, I know exactly 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:42.120 what to make. Number one, make it faster because on stage, 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.120 you know when you're going to no matter what you're doing, 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.319 you're gonna be amped up to do a song faster 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.080 than what that recording would be. Right, So I knew, 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.439 I say, all right, let's make the recordings faster. So 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.360 we was at least ten beats fast, ten beats per 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.840 minuted faster than anybody else. Why I say beats permitted 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:02.839 with important because that's DJ cult, that's djhit for sure. Yeah. 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:03.040 Yeah. 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.920 The average person doesn't go by like, oh, this needs 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.560 to be five beasts for a minute faster and amp. 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:08.800 Up like this. 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:10.600 You guys were conscient, just like, hey, we're gonna speed 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.080 our shit up like everybody else is here. 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.400 We're here, yeah, because the difference is is like, how 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.400 do you, how do you make your stuff different from 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:20.600 the next person, faster, louder. Well, if everybody could reach 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.040 up and be louder at the same time, you know, 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.480 more than one vocalist, you know. So our whole thing 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.319 was to stand out because you ain't had radio, you 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.240 ain't have a lot of people like yah, yeah, we're 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.160 going to make sure we financed this thing forward. 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:36.960 No, it had to stand on its own two feet. 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:43.320 You guys also were very instrumental in lending an olive 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.560 branch to Cube once he left NWA. 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:51.160 Yeah, nineteen ninety America's most wanted. We toured together eighty 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.079 eighty seven, eighty eight, and eighty nine, and you know, 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:56.800 so that's where the friendship started. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.520 Yeah, and then obviously he comes, I mean, the Bomb 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:03.240 Squad takes the realm of his first solo album, which 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:04.400 was a five mic album. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.679 Yeah, he wanted, he wanted to actually get dre and 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:11.240 easy to do it, but the situation with priority at 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.160 the same time had he had to wait for a 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.079 year and a half or back in them days, you 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.200 wait for a year and a half and it's another world, 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:21.640 a whole other world. So you know, he came to 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.160 me and wanted to do, you know, us to do it, 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.520 but no, really he came to me to see what 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:29.719 can happen when if he came to East and I 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.959 try to unite him with Sam Severn and other people. 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.760 Like that, what's burn Burn? Hollywood Burn? Was that like 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.880 made in that same Yeah, yeah, same ere but you're like, yo, 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:39.720 we're gonna take this one for. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.800 Us, And that was no, no, no Burn Hollywood Burn 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:44.959 was me and Kane already was going to do it, 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.520 and Cuba had just come out this try to look 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.400 for a studio, try to look for producers or whatever 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.800 on this project, and he was in the studio at 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:53.360 the same time. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.800 So when me and kin was talking about Cube was 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.199 like on the count said ya, I want to be 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.720 on that. Yeah. We both looked at him like yeah, 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:01.480 not right, And that's how it started. 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.360 The most difficult thing keV at that time is could 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.480 you get three different record labels to agree on it? 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.559 Oh yeah, back there you have segregation, right and you know, no, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.160 we don't want them on that label or we don't 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.599 want that song over there. So I had to do 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.959 a lot of you know, I had to do a 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:19.640 lot of godfathering at that time. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:20.400 To make that happen. 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:21.280 That's crazy. 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:21.560 Yeah. 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.360 And it's so crazy too because if you think about 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:28.720 like how the Bomb Squad was able to somehow like 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.120 revolutionize West Coast hip hop in like a way that 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:34.880 like they I don't know if they get the credit for. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.280 We got our credit for. The whole thing is like 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:43.360 this is like do the thing and let everybody fly 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.880 with their own wings. You know, this Bomb Squad never 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.160 did the same thing twice, right, and we never did 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.720 two albums in a row on anybody. Once we do, 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:54.160 you you get it, Boom, you fly like Cube, my 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:55.840 favorite Cube albums, Kill that World. 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.360 The next thing he did after so Good Yeah, so 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.480 one of my favorite covers of all time too, that 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:01.000 covers so. 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.000 Far, Yeah, because he got it. You know, once we 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:06.840 were there had to be like an incubation lab and 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:07.760 once you get. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:09.880 It killer well didn't have Jack and for Beats on it. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.840 M m oh yeah of course so good yeah, beat 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:14.080 changes and all that under it. 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.120 You know what's crazy. I always think when I like, 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.280 will listen to Jack and for Beats what you said 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:21.200 about the labels, I always think back then, like how 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.120 did clear all these beats? Like you know what I 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.040 mean like it wasn't like it was a mixtape. Like 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:27.800 there wasn't the internet where could just drop a freestyle 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.280 on YouTube, like he had to put that out. 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:33.000 Well, if anybody could clear anything from independent and labels 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.000 at that particular time, it would be Brian Turner because 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.840 Brian Turner also released all the rap Masters compilation tapes. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.040 Yeah, I remember those, and. 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.280 That took a little bit of clearance to try to 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:45.040 get because. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.160 There was that was back then. There was a lot 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.960 of compilations that you might go to a gas station 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:51.400 and to be like a racket tapes and you'd be 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:52.520 like be like, yeah, let me grab this. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.560 The Swap Meet the Lah you know, Dre was making 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.200 those those Swap Meet tapes in uh eighty seven, eighty six, 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.080 and eighty eight is the only place where you could 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:05.040 find songs because they wasn't on cassette yet. It was 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.160 you know back then, you know, hip hop was a 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.960 singles market. They did not you know what I'm saying 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.400 with singles albums, but you know, if they released the 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.320 twelve inch, right, the average person, you know be like, 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.640 I ain't got no record player, you know, I got 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.080 a box, I won't play cassettes. The record labels didn't 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.800 figure that out. So the swap meet DJ's was the 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.760 first one I remember coming out were playing San Diego. 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.560 They got a swap meet, you know, outside in the 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.480 parking lot, and sure enough got racks of you know tapes. 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.480 I still got those tapes to this day, man, and 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.640 they would have all the hits on it, and that 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:39.480 was it. Yo. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.400 One of my favorite remixes of all time is to 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.080 shut Him Down remix. I think Pete Rock Rock. I 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.600 think that's one of the greatest beats ever. Yeah, I 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.400 love that song. So much of the original is incredible. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.480 Do you remember hearing that for the first time? Like, 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.960 because you guys already had a big record, but it 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.120 took a like I feel like the Pete Rock version. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:05.159 Took a little further. Well, you know, this is a 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:06.400 difference in Kevin. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.639 You know, La and New York are two different places, 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:13.040 and everything in between was different. They wanted that original 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:19.440 doom because we performed that when we had the the 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.320 Pete Rock version. How that started? That started real easy. 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:29.240 The person that Columbia Sony Angela Thomas, was working with 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.320 Pete and she said, Hey, I got a young guy 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.920 named Peter Phillips and he wants to be able to 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.720 do a remix, and you know, and I was like, cool, 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.480 let's go. Let's we ain't got nothing to look. It 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.800 was the first remix that then we got done that 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:47.320 Hank allowed, and it was for like the third single 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.320 and Apocalypse or whatever, So where we could go wrong? 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:51.600 I mean, where could we go wrong? 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:57.320 It's like down the line it's third single, and and Pete, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.600 you know, not only did you do shut him down, 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:04.000 he also did our night Train and he did Night 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:10.320 Train with the with the James Brown get up, get 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.320 into it and get involved backtracking. So he delivered too. 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.560 And then it was like should he rap on it? 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:19.040 I was like yeah, I had them wrap him in 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.439 cl And that's to me, that's a joyful moment because 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.399 I felt that it also helped them in their career 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.800 too for a little bit. You know, they already had 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.920 their Pete Rock and Clsmove then jumping off, but the 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.120 fact that it was on a pe remix, I think 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.760 it did stuff for It did justice for cl Smooth 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.560 as much as it did for Pete Rock, and that 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:42.320 did great justice for us as well. 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:47.159 You kind of kick off this new project kind of 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:51.280 saying what rock is, right, Yeah, you and Pe have 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:55.720 always had such a synergy with different bands and just 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:57.800 the genre in general, whether it's Anthrax or you know, 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:59.560 we talked earlier about Rage and all that, Like what 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.560 do you think it is about the energy that Public 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.680 Enemy and Chucky is always brought to the table musically 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:11.600 stylistically that is like always meshed so well with with rock. 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.680 Louder, stronger, faster. We're gonna be faster, We're gonna be 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.240 louder and we're gonna be stronger. I mean it's you know, 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.400 like you do them lyrics at that speed, you're gonna 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.359 kill over the average person, killing over right, and you 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.960 know what, And not to get on my high horse, 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.840 but the men I started the Public Enemy, bring the 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:31.399 noise pop up on one hundred and nine beasts for 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:32.040 a minute. 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.280 Hundred you know, and even King doing raw and all that. 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:36.800 The real yoh man, the. 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:43.359 Real marathon was Anthrax doing bring the noise right because 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:48.840 thrash metal at high speeds, yo, man, they take it 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:53.440 from here to way higher, you know. And the motto is, Kevin, 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:55.760 you do the songs or the songs do you? So 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.119 it ain't no cop out, so you cut and do 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:00.280 it on a song, right, it ain't nothing. Oh I 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.280 can't do the third verse. I got to stop. It's 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.240 no parachute man. And that's one thing I always to 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.600 say about MC's I say, you know what, challenge yourself 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:12.000 with speed. Don't think you're going to find a convenient beat, 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.720 because I mean, if you don't challenge your lungs, man, 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:18.640 you spitting and what you're doing. I mean, it's easy 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:20.560 to be in the pocket. I mean my moms could 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.320 rhyme in the pocket right right, right right. 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.120 But something that really tests you physically. 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:27.639 I think it's a good thing that you know, like 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.639 leaders of the New School when they trained under us, 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:32.680 we used to have a run around the track backwards 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:33.560 and spit versus. 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:35.119 It's very difficult to do. 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.479 Quite literally, I don't know how to do it today. 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:44.040 But yeah, get to go around the track, spit your 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:47.359 lyrics running backwards. See where that ends up. 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.080 That's wild. Yeah, that's that would explain you know why 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.320 one of the greatest performers of all time came out 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.400 of that's crazy think about. 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.680 And then the other thing is that you could, you know, 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.520 you would be like you know, chop chop up time. Yeah, 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:08.520 but chop up time and move it's different. Yeah, it's 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.719 great to see if you're standing is a master at 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.600 chop up time? Right, but you're standing still right right right, 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:19.639 Diggie stood still right right right? Punk punk and metal, 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:22.840 they they they're all over the place. 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:23.320 Yeah. 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.239 I think the only guy who I could think off 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:28.479 the top of my head that's newer new guys. Well, 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.680 I guess newers. I was going to say he's not newer, 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:33.679 but Tech nine, Tech nine is. 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:40.320 Yeah, yeah, he sees in shape, he's crazy, he's he's taken. 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:45.119 I know it's a crazy comparison, but Tech nine is 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.760 taking hardcore. And also what Hammer did have to dancing? 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:49.119 Right? 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:51.720 Well, no, there's a lot of dancing and textuffy, tons 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.720 of back man exactly like tons of choreography. Yeah, but 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.600 it's like, yeah, it's it's crazy text a live show this. 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.600 Yeah, yeah, And so a lot of credit isn't given 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:00.879 for that. 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.479 Do you feel like there's a lack of quote unquote 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:07.520 I guess you could say, like protest music in hip 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:09.960 hop in twenty twenty five, you. 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.440 Only know what you know. A lot of people only 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:13.080 spit what they know. 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:16.639 That's fair yeah, you don't know what you know. I 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:18.280 also feel like I feel like too. 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:18.919 It's just like. 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.359 I feel like with I feel like there's gonna be 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:26.480 there has to be more coming well, you know, because 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:28.360 I feel like the world is becoming more and more 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.560 aware of like certain shit happening all over the planet, 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:34.280 and I feel like I would hope there are some 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:35.200 people we've never. 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.600 Heard of inspired right hip know for people spitting what 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:40.680 they don't like, but on top of the list is 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:43.560 some personal things they don't like, and that that usually 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:44.680 clogs up the agenda. 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.399 I think the last great protest hip hop song was 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:51.480 fuck Donald Trump by YG Yeah classic. 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:54.399 Yeah, and yeah exactly. I mean. 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.680 Those are guys that stuck you know, that's stuck out man, 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:03.280 And look to me, I feel man, every song got 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:04.040 to have a topic. 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:04.720 Yeah. 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.800 The key things that even back in the day that 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:11.200 if I said anything the cube I said, just don't 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.240 repeat yourself twice and don't feel like you got to 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.320 have a jump up from this person to that person 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:20.120 all overnight, gradual build up, so so your fan base 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:20.760 can follow you. 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.080 Yo, when did you guys? Because when I think of 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.800 you guys, you are so synonymous with some of my 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:30.840 favorite movies of all time. Do the right things up there. Obviously, 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:33.240 you guys did the he Guy game soundtrack, which I 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:37.439 remember buying used from the warehouse. Great album. When did 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:37.760 you guys? 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:40.440 That's an underrated album, Oh for sure, because I got 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:43.320 I got ball bars in there, that that Cat. 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:44.919 Stois Ray Allen Man. 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:46.760 Exactly. 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:48.159 But what what what? 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:53.600 What was your guys' initial I guess, uh, the genesis 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:57.399 of you and Spike Lee's relationship renaissance people at the 0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.920 time where he was creating film, we would creating music. 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.040 Other people were creating other different things, and all in 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:05.480 New York City at the time, So we were kind 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:11.240 of like brought together by Bill Stephanie and you know 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:15.200 in nineteen eighty nine, and really at the end of 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:19.600 nineteen eighty eight then he just finished putting together School 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:21.320 Days in School Days. 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:25.520 Yeah, he took Go Go Music with EU and had 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:29.760 that highlight and Kadeem Hardison, you know, water Public Enemy 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:32.720 sweatshirt in it, and it was about college and something 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:35.320 that we and I was familiar with a lot, you know, 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:38.560 fraternities and stuff like that. I mean, you say fraternities 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.320 and sororities across White America. They don't know what the 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:43.879 hell we talk about, right, But the black life was 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:47.840 a whole different universe in there, and we were familiar 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.959 with that. We used to fight, fight sororities, I mean 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:55.040 fraternities too, as well as playing music for them. 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.320 So that was a whole other universe that he tapped in. 0:24:57.760 --> 0:24:59.200 And he said the next thing he was tapped in 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.760 on the unrest that was going on, inequality that was 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.120 going on in New York City at the time. 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:08.560 So when we had a meeting in. 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:11.840 Eighty eight and right before we was going on tour 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:16.440 in Europe wud Run dmc, Spike said, I'm putting together 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.080 this thing with all the stuff that's going on, this 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:24.280 inequity going on in New York City. And strangely enough, 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:29.560 that movie was spearheaded by the continuity and the connection 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:31.800 that that Black Radio did for the city. 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:33.119 You see Samuel L. 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.480 Jackson, oh Man, Samuel Jackson is the one that ties 0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:37.400 the whole the whole movie, the whole time. 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:39.480 Yeah, And so Spike. 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.159 Said he needed an anthem, and the original thing he 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:43.800 wanted us to do was a hip hop version of 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:47.200 lift Every Voice and Sing that was quickly rejected, and 0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:49.960 to fight the power became the thing that came out 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:52.159 of that. But who knew Spike was gonna put that 0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:55.520 song in the movie like fifteen times. 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:58.160 It was Yeah, I mean it's it's it's it's kind 0:25:58.200 --> 0:25:59.280 of like a character in the. 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:04.480 Movie Unprecedented and uh, Spike helped make that that what 0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:07.760 it was. And yeah, a lot of things on making 0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:11.520 it and sonically it was a compromising record. It wasn't punk. 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:14.159 It was like, okay, you know this is this is 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.760 the music that gets you bumping. I mean certain things 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.560 set it off. I mean seeing Rosie, you know Perez 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:21.399 at the beginning she boxing and dancing. 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:23.760 I mean, you the first time you see a real. 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:27.600 Dance element connected the public enemy who who's more about 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:31.280 fighting knocking the head off your shoulder than dancing. So 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.560 there's a lot of things that that Spike brought to 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:36.160 fight the power that a lot of people don't give 0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:36.720 him credit for. 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:38.760 When I every time I watched Do the Right Thing, 0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:40.440 I'm always like, why didn't Spike act more? 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:41.840 He's so good in this movie. 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:44.040 I feel like that might be is that the only 0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:45.040 movie like he didn't really. 0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:47.320 Do a lot of acting, Like, I mean, they Spiked 0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:49.960 don't get credit for example, Man Jordan's doesn't take off. 0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:51.840 I mean, Jordan doesn't. 0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:55.919 Have no personality without commercial unless you had no personality 0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:56.840 less Spike. 0:26:56.720 --> 0:27:00.560 Lee, those commercials brought some yeah, some yeah. 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:04.600 Because all Nike was just like a Nike. Matter of fact, 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:08.040 Nike was less hippo than Adidas because Adidas. 0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:09.840 Had running in Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. 0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.399 You know, Nike was like okay, you know, you know, 0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:14.800 you track, running track, you know, a couple of people 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.800 playing ball with it. Spike not only bought you know, 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:19.960 hip hop into it, he brought Brooklyn into it. 0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:24.000 So I'm from Phoenix, your guys a song by the 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.159 time I get to Arizona, it was a record that 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:31.720 was it was almost like, damn, we're only known and 0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:33.960 we don't know, we don't have any rappers. We're only 0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:38.440 known because we were the last state to have MLK Day. Yeah, 0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:42.440 fucking public enity Beta song about us essentially. 0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:44.600 Yeah right, that was that was a trip too. And 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:48.240 when we played with you two in Sun Devil Stadium, 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.359 that went across like oh my goodness. You know, we 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.240 played just that song, right, and then we didn't play 0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:56.280 the rest of our set. We protest the wrestler, so 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:59.000 that made that. But we wasn't doing things. 0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:01.159 I didn't know that happened to you guys. Yeah, we 0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.600 played Sun Devil only did that one song and then 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:05.680 eighty five. 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:08.240 Thousand people up in there and do the fists in 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:08.600 the air? 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:09.760 Did you get the back end? 0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:11.760 Not only did we the only did we put our 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:13.920 fists in the air, right, but we hung the Klansmen 0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:16.800 that night. Yeah, we hung the Clansmen that night. Every 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.879 show where we did we hung a Klansman at the 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:20.200 end of it. 0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:22.000 That's amazing, can we I. 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.200 Mean, see, that's the kind of ship we need. I 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:25.320 want to see that ship in. 0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:33.280 But listen, you have you have a more homogen. 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:40.360 I would say homoginized USA, where all the kids are 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.320 in the same melting pot. But that's everybody's afraid to 0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:45.280 say say something because. 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.040 They might pist the homie off the homes's parents or 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:47.400 you know. 0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:52.520 No, everybody, you know, everybody's a screen ager, so they're 0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:54.400 getting their ethics through the phone anyway. 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.840 But they all like minded through the same screens anyway. 0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:01.000 So you find people that they like minded, and they 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.960 knocked the visual differences off to the side, which is cool. 0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:08.240 What's not cool is that people are learning. 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.680 Less about each other's background because there's a lot of 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.240 dirt in the background on everybody. So they say, we 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:16.320 don't teach nothing, we'll start over the twenty first century 0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:19.160 and go forward. And that ain't cool either, because everything 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:23.200 is institutionalized in the history of what made it in 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.680 the first place. So you got to teach history, you 0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:30.120 got to teach geography. And geography is like, Okay, you 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:32.640 was in Phoenix, you wasn't in Tempe, and I mean 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.520 you wasn't you was You wasn't in Tucson, and some 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:40.240 people couldn't connect Tucson. But where you're at. You're in Arizona. 0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.000 So where's that you know? You're like what you don't know? 0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:45.400 It's still the United States, the lower forty eight. But 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.320 so the United States, I call them USA ors because 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:53.960 it's North America, Central America, South America, carect Caribbean. They 0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:57.840 don't even know where they live. They only know exactly 0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.560 where they might be, but they don't know where they live. 0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:03.600 And the more that we learned about the history of 0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:06.320 the country, the history of how we all got here 0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:09.320 as human beings, the history of who've had it before, 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:13.000 that they're trying to say, oh yeah, we're going to 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.520 figure out how to call up ice and de port 0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:22.240 you on a region of land where indigenous, indigenously you 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:25.280 already had some sense of home about the north south 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.280 central America. It's just weird in twenty twenty five when 0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:32.400 it comes down to educating the masses, to educate artists. 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:34.000 To try to say something like where do you start? 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:35.760 Well, I feel like too, that was what was so 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:40.040 great about you, guys, was you were able to learn 0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.600 about things that you might You know, you listen to 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:46.760 public Enemy, you're going to take something. If you're in 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.640 your bubble, you're gonna be forced to step out of 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:50.600 your bubble and retain some. 0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:53.240 Information that goes along with the songwriter. Too. I do 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:56.200 more listening than I did it, more listening and reading 0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:57.600 than I did talking, like. 0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:01.080 I remember listening to Immortal Technic as a kid and 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.360 learning about all kind of crazy shit about like the 0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:08.520 CIA and right fuck like crazy like. I mean, I 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.840 think a lot of people like obviously generic, you know, 0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:15.160 people who weren't you know, necessarily like astute. But a 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:16.880 lot of a lot of people got introduced to the 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:18.040 nation through you guys too. 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:22.440 I mean, you know, popular Culture is a great gateway 0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:25.840 right for the good, bad and ugly too. You could 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:29.600 you could introduce through culture things that make people say, well, 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.120 I love culture, and I guess this is the thing 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.120 that that they say that they love as well. So 0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.040 I'm follow that until I hit a brick wall. But 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.240 culture is good. Culture is to bring that is the 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:45.960 thing that you know, brings us together and knocks the 0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:48.520 differences to the side, right as human beings. 0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:50.720 I feel like too, that's just music. Music is like 0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:54.440 music is the common space. Music is sports could be 0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:57.480 you could be at a fucking basketball game, right right. 0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.600 We agree we love the Knicks, I not agree on 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:02.000 everything else exactly. 0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:04.520 And it also is an age baracud if you know, 0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:10.000 it knocks down the isms you have what racism, sexism, 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:13.960 now you get agism. All you gotta do is go 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.680 around and see the lifestyles of people sixty and over 0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:21.920 and really seventy and over. And there's not a lot 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:25.080 of in this country that can you know, save a 0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:27.920 lot of people from from themselves. And they're in the 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:29.840 back spot. And that's one of the things that radio 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:34.480 on Agatting addresses too. Somewhere in there, somewhere, Yeah, I've 0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:36.840 been your agent, and you know you ain't never been mine. 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:38.120 That's a bar. 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:41.680 Yeah, well you know I've been never been mine. Yes, 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:44.480 this is that's just factual mathematics. 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:44.840 Sure. 0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:46.560 And here's the thing is about it. Like a lot 0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:49.800 of times, let's say you take an old head un. 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:52.920 You know they call me an unk. I think they 0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:55.080 call you an old head. I don't know. I'm an 0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.280 o G. I saw the breakdown of the age. 0:32:58.440 --> 0:32:59.960 Yeah, who broke that down? 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:03.200 Some kid on TikTok on TikTok. As of right now 0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:04.840 at thirty eight, I'm an unk. 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:05.760 Yeah you are. 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:10.760 I'm og because I'm an uncle. People in their forties, yeah, 0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:12.880 you'd be like that. So that's what they you know, 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:15.680 or even like a person that turned fifty. I turned 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.800 fifty fifteen years ago, so I'm like, so they still 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:21.520 gonna call me unk, and then you gotta revere. You 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:23.680 got to own that too, because you know. But the 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:27.440 thing about it, here's a misnomer. If he's sharp, and 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.800 you have your senses and you're not brain fogged by 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:32.760 by whatever happened during COVID. 0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:36.479 You already seen what happened. 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:41.720 I've seen mc in since nineteen seventy six, so I'm 0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:43.840 seeing it in twenty twenty five at real time. 0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:45.239 Right. 0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:47.080 So when somebody said, oh, man, you don't know what 0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:48.680 this is, I said, I see it, I hear it, 0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:52.480 I feel it. But I'm comparing it. I'm comparing it 0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:54.520 to the first time I heard him saying, you know 0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.360 what fifty years Yeah. Yeah, So my timeline. What you're 0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.240 trying to tell me is that I can't make a 0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.240 compare the analysis when I've seen both, but you only 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:06.360 see one, or your timeline of comparison might be Okay, 0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:08.480 I started to check this out in nineteen ninety six, 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:11.920 So that's your timeline in real time. Anything before that 0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:14.440 you got to go into YouTube and all the other 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:16.960 stuff that doesn't give you a good you know exactly anything. 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:18.719 But I'll tell you another thing. Like I said the 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:22.800 last interview, you grew up in Phoenix. You've seen some 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.640 spots in LA over the years. Do you ever go 0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:28.040 in the area that's rebuilting new buildings or whatever? 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.440 Yeah? Do you ever still see the old buildings while 0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:32.600 you're looking at the new buildings? 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:34.480 Sometimes? 0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:36.840 But mostly, but when you see the new building. 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:38.480 Oh oh, you're when I'm looking at the new building. 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:40.279 Yeah, you see the old buildings the same time. 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:41.080 That just happened to me. 0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:42.520 That's your third die in your back eye. 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:43.880 Yeah, that literally just happened to me. 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.640 A young head ain't got that. Matter of fact, sometimes 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.120 you even see people who ain't here no more, right, 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:52.200 that's fair. Yeah, So you can't really. 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:55.320 Process this in anything when you come down to evaluations. 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.640 It's not like you're stuck in the day. You see 0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:00.160 both of them at the same time. Oh, yeah, of 0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.040 the church that used to be right there, you see 0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:05.600 that church right and you see the new building. Those 0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:07.839 comparative analysis a young head can't make. 0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:11.319 Yeah, I feel like, yeah, there's just certain I feel 0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:13.200 like hip hop's an interesting space where there's a lot 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:15.520 of people who aren't necessarily fans of hip hop. They 0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:17.239 have a voice in You got. 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:20.120 Casuals everywhere though, Yeah, but oh you mean the ones in. 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:24.120 Charge not even necessarily in that too. But also just 0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:26.840 like when it comes to like some of the commentary 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:29.640 that is bigger, it's from people who aren't even like 0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:30.640 really hip hop fans. 0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.000 They're like, but they can't tell you what they are 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:33.840 fans of anyway. 0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:37.440 I mean, like me, you know, I like who I like, like, 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:41.560 for example, I grew up with Rolling Stones, Lan Zeppelin, 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:46.600 who beatles right, But then there's another category R EO Speedwagon, 0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:47.880 Foreigner sticks. 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.800 They take care of that thing too, you know, the eighties, 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.359 And I just barely, like, in the last five six years, 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:56.719 have gotten very appreciative of hain't that trip some of 0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:58.960 that like seventies eighties rock shit. 0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:02.080 Me too, I mean, and I grew up alongside of it. 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:05.279 Some mushrooms and I threw on the fucking one of 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:07.160 these nights by the Eagles, and I was like, right, 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:08.600 like you was like, YO. 0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:13.160 For real, thorough raise thorough for sure. 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:16.719 Yeah, man, but within your record kind of saw YO 0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:21.759 as a statesman of hip hop, as one of the 0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:27.359 guys who built this shit. What was your just fan perspective, 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:32.680 Chuck D perspective on Kendrick Lamar and Drake and just 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:35.640 Kendrick's last twelve months. It's been pretty crazy and the 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.600 halftime show, your boy Samuel L. Jackson is an amazing guy. 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.480 I thought that was a wonderful introduction to rap, but 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:43.560 it was you know, a lot of thinking rap music 0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.080 and hip hop is top heavy. You know, when I 0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:48.560 look at your walls, I see I see, I see 0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:52.240 top middle and also start up coming in the bottom. 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:54.080 If you're going to come on, man, if you're going 0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.239 to be like a ball fan of NBA, it's not 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:58.320 all about Kobe and Jordan. 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:00.959 It's like could be like somebody who's like the sixth 0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:03.080 Landry Shammitt. You know what I'm saying. Like, if you don't, 0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:05.800 you got to appreciate, uh, you know, thoroughness in it. 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.640 And you appreciate Derek Fisher too, exactly so. 0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:12.279 And so the wide body aspect of hip hop and 0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:15.440 rap I'm into when it comes down to like, oh yeah, 0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:18.960 they you know it's Drake and Kendrick. I'm like, that's 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:22.239 casual talk, right, yeah, the casuals. It's like like I 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.120 talked to people, I'm a Nick fan, man, They're like, 0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:28.200 oh yeah, well I like I like, yeah, I like Brunson. 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.359 Yeah right, And it's not who else is on the Knicks. Well, 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:35.719 you know the guys that's with Brunson, right, Okay. 0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:37.759 What's the guy? The cat guy Cat? 0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:40.160 All the conversations you have with your mom, Man. 0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:42.560 How did you watch last night's game? 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.840 Come on, man, I got scars all over my body today. 0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.880 But you know what listen, I just I have to 0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:51.279 do thirty eight when you saw this, you thirty eight? 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.160 How old are the How old are the players? 0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:56.120 Uh, there're probably ten years more. 0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.240 So they experience a level that they they haven't experienced before. 0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:03.520 All those guys on both teams for sure. 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.319 Yeah, for you know, you let young guys do their 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:07.399 thing until they figure it out. 0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:08.400 Yeah, it was definite. 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:12.120 They was if they already should have been knowing about 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.880 that level, they'd be forty five years old, but their 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.799 body wouldn't be able to work. Like so, every time 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.440 I watch sports, I said, you know, god, you know, 0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:24.040 don't make that Pass't no better than that. I checked myself. 0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:27.760 I'm like, you know what, this the first Eastern Conference finals. 0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:29.839 He twenty four years old? 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:31.359 Yo, man? 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.880 Let young be young man. Yeah, it was definitely, it was. 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.200 It just it was some ninety shit for me to 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:40.400 see those two teams against each other, because you remember 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:42.200 back in the day, you would when it was like 0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.360 it was always the Knicks and Heat or the Knicks 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:45.120 and Pacers. 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:47.640 Those our enemies. Man, we beat the Celtics. The Celtics 0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:48.959 ain't never been the Knicks enemy. 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.360 Now it was the Heat, yeah, and the Pacers The 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:55.880 Celtics have always been big bro Nicks little bro and 0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:57.719 every time the Celtics will win. 0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:01.400 As I'm telling you, back in the fifties, we we 0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:04.520 we we we we were losers. Yeah. 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.680 I feel like in the nineties the Celtics were losers 0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:07.560 and the Knicks. 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:11.280 So that's been the Knicks, that's been the Celtics, enemies 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:15.520 of the Lakers and also the Philadelphia seventy sixes. Those 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:17.400 are you know what I'm saying, That's where that can 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:21.680 Nick's heat paces. I got to play in Boston two 0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.680 days from now, so I was on Twitter X or 0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:27.919 whatever the hell they want to call it, and I'm 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:30.480 I'm a little I'm a rowdy as a texting fan. 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:33.400 Of course, I'm like, beat them asses, And people are like, 0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:35.399 oh my god, Chuck D said that, Oh my god, 0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:38.000 you they all vertebrate hurt. And I'm like, no, this 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:41.239 ain't me. But but during the game this you look, 0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:42.160 he ain't sitting. 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:42.919 Next to me. Yeah. 0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:44.680 I feel like there's like I always tell people, there's 0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:47.080 like sports hate, which isn't real hate, but it's like 0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:48.759 I could say, like I hate a player, but. 0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:52.520 Yeah, I hate paces and I hate the heat right 0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:55.440 and here's the crazy thing about it, keV. I got 0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:57.520 fans in Miami, and I got fans in the Indian 0:39:57.560 --> 0:39:59.719 African for sure. But I said, this is this Saint 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.799 Chuck d. This is Chuck a fan of the New 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.080 York Knicks, and I hate y'all asses. 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:06.759 I think if y'all get through this, I think I 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:08.439 think there's a good chance. I feel like, I feel 0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.920 like you guys matchup well against the Thunder. I'm assuming 0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:13.040 the Thunder went already. 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:16.680 Game by game. I hope we we it was game one. 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.719 Man only young heads is like, oh my god, well 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:22.000 we you know, like you know, like in New York, 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.000 you know, outside the garden, this is Gooden Central Station. 0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:25.919 Man, for sure. 0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:29.000 You know anybody it's like, oh, they should walk around 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:32.799 with Indiana paces Jersey outside that guard. 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:33.520 You shouldn't know. 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:38.400 One of my uh favorite moments at the iHeart Festival 0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:40.480 over the last few years was you you guys doing 0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:44.120 the iHeart Festival, because iHeart festivals. Like I remember when 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.000 we saw the lineup, I was like, oh, because usually 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:49.640 I'm backstage running around drinking. I was like, oh no. 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:54.520 Me and Doc Winner we watched while eating mushrooms, watched 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:56.440 you guys, fucking kill that show. 0:40:56.800 --> 0:41:00.239 That was running around, but it was real show and yeah, 0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:02.440 yeah it was a good, like shiny experience. 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:06.640 Yeah, it was definitely. It's always a shiny your experience. 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:08.680 It's like it's like hanging out at a commercial and 0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:11.680 doing doing a life. Yeah it's a TV show. 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:14.080 And let me tell you doing public getemy so you 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:16.279 got you gotta go through training and that was one 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:18.680 of those shows that like, it ain't training, it's just 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:20.400 like kind of doing it with a little bit of 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:20.920 warm up. 0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:23.480 But you know the regular tour thing you got trained 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.560 for sure, you guys. 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:30.040 And you know you mentioned the public enemy logo, whether 0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:32.000 it's people wearing the shirt, whether I mean I got 0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:36.200 public going to be Vans. The licensing game for public 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:38.800 enemies got to be crazy, like do you are you? 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.560 Are you? I used to be on top of it, 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.080 and is it turned into its own things? 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:49.000 Pop used to have merchandise tool, merchandise company. Now it's 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:50.880 just like out of our hands. So it has its 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:54.440 own thing that you get checked up on. But my 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:55.920 whole thing is like I had to get with a 0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:59.239 bigger situation because every time I see someone with it, 0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:02.040 I am a and Navana and they like are twelve 0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:03.920 and eleven years old and for. 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:05.480 Sure and wearing a Beatles shirt. 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:09.600 I get competitive, man, I'm like, damn man, Yeah, you know, 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:11.600 how do we get up in those ranks? 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:12.240 It's Target. 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:16.200 It's just Target, Yeah, because Target's got the sick shirts 0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:18.279 for like eleven bucks. Yeah, and you'll be in there 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:20.000 be like damn Tar got a Woot tank shirt. 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.200 Yeah exactly, I'll take that. 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:29.800 What keeps you so inspired in just like you you 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:31.640 feel like you still got the battery in your back 0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:34.600 to compete to work at your age man. 0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:37.440 Like number one, I've been doing the radio show every 0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:39.359 week for sixteen years in a row. So I see, 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:43.480 I see everything come through it through me. I curate 0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:47.240 at least as many. It's five hundred thousand saungs and artists, 0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:51.160 no matter what else they come from, whether it's the Drakes, 0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.600 down to the brother Ali's down to like, you. 0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:58.120 Know, shout to brother Manhred just here. 0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:02.560 My brother brother, and you know, down to anybody. So yeah, 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.279 I'm in the game, you know. And the game is 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:09.120 sharpened by the radio shows, rap station, the apps. 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:09.920 I've built. 0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:14.560 The Spit Slam record label with my partner Sea Doc, 0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:18.640 you know, put together the radio Armageddon, and there's always 0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:20.839 you know, hip hop gods or a man flat Line, 0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:24.920 which is basically classic artists and you know, been doing 0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:27.320 it for over twenty years, that's the category we call it, 0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.040 and a station and the show that he has, he's 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:32.520 been doing it. So my whole fight is to make 0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:36.279 sure that they get known for all the work they 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.920 put in all these years. It ain't about me, It's 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:41.759 about damn. You know. Can I make Sea Doc like 0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:45.480 really beat Damn? At least somebody that could say, yo, 0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:48.120 he's in the top twenty five or flat Line. He's 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.680 been doing his shows from up from Seattle, you know 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:53.560 for the last thirty years and for the last sixteen 0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:54.479 years on rap station. 0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:56.880 Damn? Could I get him notoriety? Right? 0:43:57.160 --> 0:43:57.200 Or? 0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:58.239 Do you know? 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.719 The only ones that get notoriety is you know, here's 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:02.880 a big corporation. They're gonna flood it with money and 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:05.719 promotion and you know, and that's how you get big. 0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:09.000 So if they don't get big, I'm a failure. 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:13.359 Yo, do you did you see? Because there's so many, 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:16.360 so many of my homies who got hip to you 0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:18.440 guys because of Tony Hawk's pro skater. 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:20.879 Yeah, Tony Hawk. 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.880 And before that like Bring the Noise was like I 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.680 felt like like anytime you play Tony Hawk, that song 0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:27.640 is getting played. 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:30.879 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Tony Hawk's a big uh, a big. 0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:33.400 It was like that and B Boy document that all 0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:35.680 of a sudden, like little white kids all over the 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.359 country didn't know they were becoming like backpack fans because 0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:40.439 they're like listening to most stef and P and shit. 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.919 You know, A's a trip to it. He's a great 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:47.160 fan and peer, you know, Tony Hawk and the whole thing. 0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:49.719 And before that was the grand Theft Auto thing. Yeah. 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:51.840 When I was I think I was a DJ. I 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:54.600 don't play video games. I couldn't tell you A from 0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:57.360 B from anything, but I get the feedback. You know 0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:00.879 what I'm saying. I'm not a skater because I'm from 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:04.320 the seventies. I'm a roller skater. So at back in 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:07.480 the seventies, we danced, right and you want to get 0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:09.799 the girls roller skating or dance on the floor. 0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:12.880 Dancing is no longer an element in today's music. 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:16.080 It sure isn't. I'll tell you that. Look, you know 0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:19.520 friends that get married, Yeah, there's dancing at weddings still. 0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.239 But not between the dudes. A lot of the times 0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:26.279 you see the ladies dancing together. Yeah, I feel like 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:27.680 even the dudes is on the wall. 0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:30.680 You know, do drink on and sure you dudes don't 0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:31.719 dance anymore. They're too cool. 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:35.319 The mean back in the day, they was cool too. 0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:37.920 But my job as the DJ is to yell at 0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:40.200 them and get them off the wall, right right. You 0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:42.799 also la culture to us all how to dance too, 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:46.279 because you had soul trained. Soul Train taught all of 0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:49.560 us like get off the wall and get down and 0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:52.879 big up to Don Cornelis because that was right here 0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:57.399 in town. And for years you wasn't a big black 0:45:57.480 --> 0:45:59.040 act until you went to Soul Train. 0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:02.520 If you had to pick one of your babies, it 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.960 takes a nation or fear of a black planet. 0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:09.880 Which album you followed? Baseball, Yes, loosely. 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:15.400 That's like Roger Morris's season and then the next year 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:18.359 he had fifty four, So it's like one's an upper 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:21.640 deck shot. The other one is like a line drive shot. 0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:26.000 So those are two home runs that I don't think. 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:29.000 I don't think I could cook all betyet and pitches. 0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:31.520 One is a fastball one hundred and twenty miles an hour, 0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:33.840 others all Break a split Finger. 0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:35.439 That to Oh my God, you need them both, Yeah, 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:36.080 you need them both. 0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:40.560 So my favorite, crazy enough, my favorite record that I 0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:44.800 liked over the last in this century was what Gary 0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:47.880 g Wiz produced called Man Plans God Lasts. Okay, the 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:51.560 whole album is twenty nine minutes, and the whole goal 0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:55.200 to do the album was if we could do eight 0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:59.560 to nine cut or ten cuts under two minutes, that's 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.719 just to do bro. But but the way he put 0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:05.080 his foot into it to That record came out twenty 0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:07.680 fifteen and we performed quite a bit on it. 0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:10.240 You know, it was awesome. 0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:16.000 You are in one of the greatest groups of all time. 0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:19.279 If you had to put your guys's yourself in the 0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:21.840 Mount Rushmore, who's on the Mount Rushmore of rap groups 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:24.160 with you? There's three more spots if you had to 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:28.320 pick three, maybe your personal taste groups of just rap Roop. 0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:37.120 Yeah, Cypress Hill, Okay, Run, dmc WU, Tang Clan. And 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:39.600 I'm not going to count duos because you know, you 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:40.719 get in the outcasts. 0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:44.000 Yeah, because you get into the duo Space Mob, Deep Run, 0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:44.960 the Jewels of the Duo. 0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:47.920 Yeah, Yeah, yeah, duo, so their groups, but in that 0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:51.279 you know, right, and you got to put e gm 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:53.560 D like at the top of those duos, the duos 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:57.719 American paris just amazing. But I'll say, like when you 0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:02.359 got the full dimension d D, j MC's other things 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:07.080 like Cypress Hill, rou Tang Run DMC. 0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:09.800 Personally, Houdini. 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.080 Doesn't get there. They're underappreciated when we talk about that. 0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:14.560 For sure. 0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:20.760 Houdini obliterated the eighties and performance and records and crossed 0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:26.040 over in the areas you know. So yeah, and to me, 0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:30.960 I'm a person that's missed groups, you know, I missed groups, 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:34.800 uh dilated people's as a group and then somebody you 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:37.440 travel with although it was two people, but it was 0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:38.320 also DJ. 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:41.839 Was very instrumental in their live show and it cuts. 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:44.120 Yeah, that's a group, you know what I'm saying. 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:48.240 And yeah, not to say epm D didn't have scratched also, 0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:51.640 so you get in the vague areas like that, but. 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:55.560 Was like an official. He had his own records on 0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:56.680 the on the album. 0:48:57.160 --> 0:49:00.120 Yeah, I thought that the West Coast held on the 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:04.279 groups a little bit more before they went into corporation, 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:06.520 saying well, we're only going to sign the solo act. 0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:06.799 Yeah. 0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:08.400 J five was dope, drastic. 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:12.279 Oh my god, J five, I mean big up to 0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:15.120 I do hiro Oh. 0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:22.960 So I do graphic illustrations, So I've released seven illustrated books. 0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:26.800 But so I know people who are artists in the 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:32.080 hip hop fields. So people like Charlie Charlie Tuna and one. 0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:34.719 Of the best voices, oh my god, in tones in 0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:37.440 hip hop history is Charlie Tuneman. Yeah, and then went 0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:39.240 on to have it. He's in another great group. 0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:41.760 Which is fucking exactly crazy. 0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:44.960 Yeah, crazy, Charlie Tuna slept on that. And that dude 0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:46.600 is huge. I remember I met him as a kid. 0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:49.040 I was like, he's a tall dude. 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:50.840 Man, his voice matchress. 0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:53.600 My voice doesn't match me. 0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:56.400 People used to say, Man, I thought somebody's gonna come 0:49:56.440 --> 0:50:00.160 in here, like six foot five, three hundred pounds is like, uh, 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:05.759 kars one, who's the most devastating greatest of all time 0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:10.600 rappers goat with plus and some it's a dude that 0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:13.800 you know, just like he's the only MC I know 0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:17.560 that come in the room and change the MC complexion 0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:20.400 of the room because he could come in and he 0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:24.759 does this too, Yo, who MC's here and nobody wants 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:25.680 to say to the MC. 0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:28.239 Yeah, dude, I mean I remember when he was doing 0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:29.719 the Temple of Hip Hop shit when I was a 0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:31.200 kid and I got to go see him live, like 0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:34.760 it was like watching Like, yeah, it was crazy seeing 0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:35.759 kiris one for the first time. 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:39.360 I was like another one stamina wires, which is important 0:50:39.400 --> 0:50:39.600 as that. 0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:44.479 You guys toured together too in quite a few times. 0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:44.719 Yeah. 0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:47.279 Yeah, as a as a young guy and as an 0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:50.200 older person. You know, then you got n w A 0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:53.680 I mean, which is a super group before wu Jang. 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:54.640 Then he got the roots. 0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.480 Oh, the roots. He had the roots. Yeah, and then 0:50:57.520 --> 0:51:01.360 the roots too, like over time was more than just 0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:03.640 black thought. As an MC, dice were always in there 0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:06.879 and the group like yeah, the roots, honestly, the roots. 0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:08.520 The roots is in that conversation man. 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:11.360 Well you know, then the roots come out of what 0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:13.240 the first hip hop bands, that's the Sonic. 0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:16.760 Then you did your underground, Yeah, Tupac comes. 0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:18.920 Out of that, Yeah, sex packet, and then you know, 0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:20.239 and you got the. 0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:22.960 Roots was the third man manifestation out of that. 0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:25.160 And then you had groups that came up that didn't 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:28.120 get to support, like the Goats got dope. 0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:31.759 Yeah, I feel like, uh, there was a lot of 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:35.000 like nineties rap groups that, like you said, like didn't 0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:38.759 necessarily that like if you knew you knew type like 0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:39.800 even like D I T. C. 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:43.480 Like yeah, yeah, yeah, because they had they had a 0:51:43.560 --> 0:51:46.160 whole c of mcs that was able to get on 0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:49.360 Diamond's work and just I mean like people like O. 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:50.400 C O. 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:52.000 Giant Man. 0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:53.719 You know, it's crazy. Why do you think the group 0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:55.959 died in hip hop and N R and B Because 0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:57.400 I always had this conversation with R and B two 0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:57.960 because it's. 0:51:57.840 --> 0:52:02.520 Like easier when I was easier for to negotiate with 0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:04.200 one person. See. 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:06.839 The problem is also when it came to Black Acts, 0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:10.520 destroy the group, take the solo member and you know 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:14.880 so so so we're afraid of not only this renegotiation, 0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:19.040 but read negro negotiation and reading negotiation. 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:21.200 That's the ship that they throw at Black Acts. 0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:24.480 Yeah, because if you think back, you know, bust the 0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:27.319 rhymes went solo. There's a bunch of the. 0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:30.400 Last thing they wanted is like eight people yelling in 0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:32.560 the office, Like they said, now we could just take 0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:36.480 one person and negotiate with that one person their lawyer. 0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:38.760 Oh you need a lawyer, by the way my brother. 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:42.480 So they would, they would, they would mob up on 0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:43.120 the on the. 0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:46.640 They would Yeah, it's crazy because that still happens where 0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:50.840 management or the label will recommend you a lawyer. 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:53.560 So they mobbed up telling you to go solo right 0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:58.000 as opposed that they mobbed up and you mobbed up, right, 0:52:58.160 --> 0:52:59.000 Ain't that's something right? 0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:00.399 I see? 0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:03.440 You know, you've always had a big voice when it 0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:09.640 comes to just like anything anything, sports, politics, et cetera. 0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:12.520 What is your thoughts just done? Like, you know, just 0:53:12.600 --> 0:53:14.480 everything that's happening in the world right now, we got 0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:17.080 you know, gods of shit is super sad what's happening 0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:20.000 over there. And it feels like every day there's some 0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:22.040 new wild shit that Trump's doing where you're like, what. 0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:27.040 Whippings of mass distraction to get everybody to be phyxiated 0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:30.439 on bread and circuses as they continue to do the dirt. 0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:33.920 And you know, it's very easy to detach the United 0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:37.200 States of American mind away from the world. People already 0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:39.040 ain't trying to look at the world as the world. 0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:41.600 They try to look at, you know, their own county 0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:44.040 and state as that, and they don't want to go 0:53:44.120 --> 0:53:48.239 any further. Just like ask at the normal California. How 0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:49.759 much of California did they see? 0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:52.279 That's true. You got people in laws have never been 0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:53.000 to bakers Field. 0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:55.960 Like, what the hello, Doug, I've been a Bakersfield you Yeah, 0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:56.480 there you go. 0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.040 But you did work in Bakersfield, right. 0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:02.040 I've been to Bakersfield. I'm on the radio in Bakersfield. 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:04.400 I've been there enough times in my life where I'm like, 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:07.840 I've seen it. Okay, Insne to ben to Fresno. Actually 0:54:07.880 --> 0:54:08.720 like Presnel tad. 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:10.880 Bit Moore than a little bigger, little bigger, a little. 0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:12.960 Bigger, little bigger. They get the college shut to the bulldogs. 0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:15.399 Well, my thing is like people in the United States 0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:18.319 of America don't venture out to the United America for sure. 0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:21.280 And when it comes down to it, we'll talk politically. 0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:26.120 This country's run by counties. So when they talk about police, 0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:29.279 you know, to be a qualified police where you have 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:33.000 to negotiate with human beings and people in Los Angeles 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:35.200 or urban quarter called urban areas where a lot of 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:38.080 melting pots goes on, you might not have to do 0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:40.120 it in a county where it's sports and all of 0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:42.520 a sudden, not only you are the the cop, but 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:45.920 you the sheriff in town because eighty six people voted 0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:48.879 for you, and you get a chance to wear a gun, 0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:51.640 a badge and drive around in a tank. 0:54:52.160 --> 0:54:54.840 It's crazy because I can assume that you're to the 0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:58.280 point in your career where you've had interactions with police 0:54:58.360 --> 0:54:59.320 that are fans of you. 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:02.440 Oh yeah, I've never had conflict with any police ever 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:04.440 in my life. But and I was cat when I 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:06.480 was going to college. I had to walk to it. 0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:09.120 I had to walk through a white, posh town. 0:55:09.360 --> 0:55:12.319 But so did the cops ever fuck with you guys 0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:15.200 because of you know, nine one one as a joke 0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:16.640 or some of these records. Did they ever give you 0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:17.120 any shit? 0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:18.359 Nah? Nah? 0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:21.680 Anyway, listen, the Nation Islam, right, and I work with 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:23.840 the Nation pop is in the Nation of Islam. 0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:25.600 Number one, they teach you, number. 0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:29.160 One, to conduct yourself civilized, so no matter where you are, 0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:32.960 your language will save you half the time. You Also, 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:37.120 the Nation Islam teaches its people to know the law 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:40.160 wherever you live. You only fight the law when you 0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:42.120 know the law. You know it's unjust, and you know 0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:45.279 the best way to fight the law is collectively with 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:48.160 an organized plan, because the law nine times out of 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:51.799 ten might be against you, you'll stop by police. There's 0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:55.040 a language and there's a behavior to untwist you out 0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:58.279 of that situation that you govern. They don't govern you, 0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:01.640 they work for you. You, but you gotta have the 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:05.320 language to make them understand that at jump the minute 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:07.440 that if a cop come and pull you aside, and 0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:10.879 they already got and you know, a police pulling you over, 0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:14.600 the number one mission is to get home, right, So, 0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:17.040 and we know we got some asshole police out there, 0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:20.440 especially you go through like a boondock, you know, county. 0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:21.120 And they're just bored. 0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:25.719 Huh yeah, yeah, So you gotta. 0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:28.160 Go there and figure out like, all right, this dude, man, 0:56:28.360 --> 0:56:31.680 it's like, let me untwist it. Even on a bad day, 0:56:32.800 --> 0:56:34.839 figure out how to get on out and keep it moving, 0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:37.000 get up out of there. But you know, you were 0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:41.479 taught how to govern your language, how to govern, govern 0:56:41.600 --> 0:56:45.200 your human being. And even then you gonna run into 0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:49.920 some cracker situation that might be adversarial, but then you know, 0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:53.239 collectively you could figure out the language that that would 0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:55.480 move you on. I remember, like not too long ago 0:56:55.960 --> 0:57:00.040 in this state where I live here, I'm driving and 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:02.319 my pops back in the day, but probably passed at 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:07.480 twenty sixteen. He will always say, Chuck, you better stop 0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:11.200 at signs this whole get to the sign and roll. 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:14.400 Through right, kind of slowly roll through, no complete stop tip. 0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:16.920 Right, yeah, yeah, my pop tell me this all the time. Now, 0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:19.040 I don't drive fast, right, so I'm up. 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.040 But none of us really are coming to a complete stop. 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:23.480 We should I know, I know, but then you know, 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:25.880 the more you do it, then you get more relaxed 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:28.440 and type of thing, you know. So sure enough, I 0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:31.000 get to stop sign. I kind of didn't go through 0:57:31.640 --> 0:57:36.000 cop right there right in the street. So I immediately 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:40.000 pulled to the side immediately, like I start laughing, right, 0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:43.720 and he comes up to me, you know, seeing me 0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:49.280 laughing right, He started laughing right, and I like, yeah, 0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:50.920 my pops man was telling me about it. 0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:54.040 He said, yeah, you should listen to your pops already. There. 0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:56.760 I diffuse the air, right, you know what I'm saying. 0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:00.320 So, so as a man, you're taught to sometimes say 0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:03.680 when you air my bad, even in sports, it's like 0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:05.520 I threw the bad past, but at the same time 0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:06.240 you didn't catch it. 0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:08.560 You gotta sometimes say, you know what, I threw it wrong? 0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:10.760 My bad? You know you learn that from sports. 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:17.680 In society, men teach their sons the language because basically, 0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:20.120 if you especially if you're black or a person of color, 0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:23.480 you want to be an adversarial situation, your language will 0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:23.880 save you. 0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:26.160 Your language will save you from getting a fight that 0:58:26.280 --> 0:58:26.960 you can't handle. 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:30.360 I feel like too, that's why, like the nation is 0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:32.280 so dangerous to the establishment. 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:35.360 Yeah, because they never talked about going around with guns. 0:58:35.920 --> 0:58:39.240 Their whole policy is like the listen, their minds have 0:58:39.400 --> 0:58:43.080 to be developed. Yeah, yeah, okay, Yeah, there's situations there 0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:47.560 where where adversary is guns, even a gun happy nation. 0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:48.800 Guns everywhere. 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:52.080 But can you imagine if it was known for to 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:55.400 be an organization with guns, they would have used the 0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:59.800 same cotel practice that they attempted to wipe out. 0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:02.360 I feel like it's interesting, Like I mean, in. 0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:05.920 This state, the Panthers used a policy of the right 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:10.360 to bear arms as intellectuals in this state, and immediately 0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:14.320 crack of tactics was about rubbing them. 0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:18.400 Out because they they US law, use the law, and 0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:20.600 it was like, nigga, you got the nerve. 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:21.280 Yeah. 0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:22.640 I always find it interesting. You know, I was talking 0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:23.920 to my boy. I don't know if you've heard the 0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:27.720 nineteen Keys. He's incredible. But we're just kind of talking 0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:32.240 a bit about why there's less taught about Elijah Muhammad 0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:35.680 than there is about other figures throughout history. And it's 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:38.840 like it's that's like almost like purposeful by these you know, 0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:41.600 whoever's writing the fucking textbooks. Well, yeah, and you're not 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:43.160 going to learn much about the Black Panthers if you 0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:45.160 go to school outside of like a little paragraph. 0:59:45.320 --> 0:59:47.960 And before we used to rely on family being able 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:51.200 to transfer information down. Since everything comes to the screen, 0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:54.479 is expected that they're going to intentionally miss some things. 0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:58.040 So I always liking that there's no competition in the 0:59:58.080 --> 1:00:02.040 great leadership of people in the past before great leaders 1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:04.400 those are tools in the box. They're like, well, what 1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:07.560 do you think about Malcolm X, you know, versus Doctor King? 1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:09.680 I said, it is not a Drake, It's not a 1:00:09.800 --> 1:00:12.440 Drake and Kendrick battle and every little thing. 1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:13.440 It's like, it's not that. 1:00:13.720 --> 1:00:16.200 Malcolm is a tool of learning. 1:00:16.320 --> 1:00:19.040 Is he used the phillips head and doctor King was 1:00:19.080 --> 1:00:21.960 a flathead screwdriver, you know what I'm saying his tools. 1:00:22.360 --> 1:00:24.400 Doctor King came a little bit closer to the phillips 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:25.600 head before he passed you know. 1:00:26.200 --> 1:00:28.720 Yeah, well, you know that's how you use your tools, and. 1:00:30.600 --> 1:00:34.640 Giants from our past are tools to actually make you 1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:36.960 understand how to get forward in your current and in 1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:38.960 the future, to be able to teach a little bit 1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:39.200 of it. 1:00:39.400 --> 1:00:41.680 I know you do the radio show. I feel like 1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:45.840 you could also. I mean, I saw so many artists 1:00:45.840 --> 1:00:48.000 are doing amazing podcasts, but I feel like you could 1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:53.480 do a podcast and that would just have conversations that 1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:55.120 nobody else has happened right now. Is that something you 1:00:55.160 --> 1:00:58.120 can consider doing At the time, you ain't got the time. 1:00:58.640 --> 1:00:59.920 That's two or three hours a week. 1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:03.000 And yeah, at the time, I don't have the brain 1:01:03.800 --> 1:01:06.840 space for it. I'd rather create the technology. I tell people, 1:01:06.880 --> 1:01:08.840 I say, you know what, rather than being on the show, 1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:10.000 get my app. 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:11.960 Get my app and put your show on your show 1:01:12.000 --> 1:01:12.200 on it. 1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:13.240 I love it, Miliari. 1:01:13.720 --> 1:01:16.000 All right, So the album is out, Everyone go go 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:16.640 run it up. 1:01:16.640 --> 1:01:17.120 It's dope. 1:01:18.720 --> 1:01:19.920 A lot of the artists on there hadn't heard of 1:01:20.000 --> 1:01:21.480 so it was dope to discover some new talent on 1:01:21.560 --> 1:01:22.400 it that I hadn't been. 1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:25.040 Here to homage, to homage, just to say to the 1:01:25.160 --> 1:01:28.400 MC and the DJ, and that's the radio. It's the 1:01:28.680 --> 1:01:33.920 radio enemy. Radio is the dj MC component of Public Enemy. 1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:37.640 Matter of fact, it is actually now the component that 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:41.240 actually is the backdrop of our concerts now is DJ 1:01:41.400 --> 1:01:44.080 Johnny Juice joh Heath from the Bay Area. On the 1:01:44.120 --> 1:01:48.000 other turntable and t Bone the drummer from it used 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:49.440 to be our band element. 1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:52.280 How many I know you guys are always doing shows, 1:01:52.320 --> 1:01:54.360 so that they's no not always doing show. 1:01:54.400 --> 1:01:58.560 We just pick it, pick and choose, especially a sixty 1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:01.240 five bro. Oh yeah, pick and choose. Man, you got listen. 1:02:02.000 --> 1:02:05.040 Why are you all over the place instead of worrying 1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:06.200 about the quality of your life? 1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:09.040 Right? I tell people say, it's not what you accumulate, 1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:10.760 it is what you do with what you have. I 1:02:11.000 --> 1:02:12.560 like that in my art studio is. 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:16.880 Ten by ten, thirty five hundred dollars from lows. 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:19.120 That's all you need. 1:02:19.240 --> 1:02:22.560 And inside that art studio ten by ten by ten, 1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:24.600 space magic happens. 1:02:25.040 --> 1:02:25.400 I love it. 1:02:25.400 --> 1:02:27.120 Would you guys ever do a new pe album? 1:02:30.880 --> 1:02:34.200 Wait for surprises? Okay, you'll be first enough. 1:02:34.960 --> 1:02:37.120 I feel like all the ogs are putting out amazing. 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:40.160 The new ice Q album was fire. There's there's a 1:02:40.240 --> 1:02:42.919 lot of there's just a lot of good, good music 1:02:42.960 --> 1:02:46.440 being put out by OG's right now, so including yourself. Man, 1:02:46.520 --> 1:02:47.240 go get the album. 1:02:47.680 --> 1:02:47.880 Chuck. 1:02:47.960 --> 1:02:50.240 I appreciate your time. We could have done this for 1:02:50.320 --> 1:02:51.320 a much longer time. 1:02:51.400 --> 1:02:54.680 But oh I'm glad to catch up with you since 1:02:54.720 --> 1:02:55.440 you were fourteen. 1:02:55.760 --> 1:02:59.240 Yeah, for sure, Man, thank you for everything. Man, you 1:02:59.360 --> 1:03:01.480 haven't changed my life for real, So thank you for that. 1:03:01.600 --> 1:03:03.720 Bro, like hey man, to be to be a OG 1:03:03.920 --> 1:03:06.280 and to get that, I just say, I get it 1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:10.160 all the time, and it's immeasurable as opposed to like, dude, Man, 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:11.800 it's like I'm in jail because of you. 1:03:15.800 --> 1:03:16.640 I don't have none of that. 1:03:16.800 --> 1:03:19.240 So yeah, there are artists where you're like yo, man, 1:03:19.520 --> 1:03:22.800 like yeah, and you care the character and I love 1:03:22.840 --> 1:03:25.440 some of that music too, for sure. Yeah for sure, Chuck, 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:27.680 appreciate you, bro, Yes, Sir Boom